Was Churchill an antisemite and a Fascist?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 23, 2005, 03:07 AM | #

“In summary, then, Churchill’s comments about the Jews (and Jews WERE prominent among the Bolsheviks) belong to his most Leftist period and his admiration of the achievements of Hitler and Mussolini were widely shared in the interwar period and were very much what one would have expected of ANY centrist politician (Left or Right) at the time.” (—from the log entry)

What you’re saying is that you disagree with those calling him a fascist and anti-Semite.  Based on the quotes and contexts you provided, that certainly seems right:  I don’t see where those quotes imply he was either of those things.

Posted by Geoff Beck on May 23, 2005, 03:19 AM | #

> Was Churchill an antisemite and a Fascist?

But did he ever really exist?

What do we know really know about this so called ‘Winston Churchill’ ? Hmmmm?

It all could be a immense deception - Libertarian disinformation scheme!

I’m keeping an open mind on this.

Posted by jonjayray on May 23, 2005, 04:21 AM | #

I am surprised that nobody has so far claimed that Churchill was himself Jewish.  I haven’t looked into it but there seems to be some ground for saying that his mother was Jewish

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 23, 2005, 04:39 AM | #

What was her maiden name?

Posted by tim on May 23, 2005, 04:40 AM | #

It’s fascinating how history gets rewritten over the generations.

The Churchill “Illustrated Sunday Herald” quotes that John relays are now interpreted as (at least) politically incorrect, maybe ‘fascist’ and (at worst) anti-semitic .

Yet the fascist movement barely existed at the time and if there were any genuine proto-fascists it was the fabians like H G Wells. Churchill seems like a small l liberal compared to Wells.

Today the whole idea of that the stateless East European jews, themselves former victims of czarist oppression, would be attracted to bolshevism, is now tarred with the hitlerite ‘judeo-communist conspiracy’ brush. 

Churchill, as John shows, did apparently believed in either a ‘soft’ form of this theory or at least believed there was some sort of limited mutual attraction between the two social movements, a sociological rather than a conspiratorial explanation.

People who interpret Churchill’s remarks as ‘fascist’ neglect to mention that Churchill used them for definitely philo-semitic rather than anti-semitic ends.

One reason Churchill supported zionism was his belief that the stateless jews of East Europe were being drawn into a communist orbit. Supporting a zionist state within the British Empire was seen as a positive and preventive response.

Churchill’s view here is really not that different than that of respectable liberal supporters of a Palestinian state today. They argue that stateless Palestinians would otherwise be diverted into radical or pro-terrorist stances if their legitimate demands for a homeland are sidelined. Chruchill was really saying much the same sort of thing.

What’s interesting is that the whole idea that bolshevism was disproportionately attractive to East european jews, mainly because they were formerly repressed under the czars, is now politically incorrect. Presumably it’s un-p.c. because Hitler made his own extreme use of it.

There is some thin hope that this p.c. cloud is now lifting. See The Jewish Century by Berkeley’s Yuri Slezkine. He discusses this formerly tabou subject including the disproportionate representation of jews in Russia’s power structure prior to Stalin’s anti-semitic purges.

Slezkine says that pre-stalin bolshevik russia, israel and the US represented the three great refuge oases to the displaced jewish population of E.Europe. The first represented an early temporary oasis, even if it ultimately turned out to be a mirage.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 23, 2005, 05:29 AM | #

I just googled it—Churchill’s mother’s maiden name was Jennie Jerome (supposedly originally Jacobson and changed by her father).  I was just now looking at a site that claimed she was Jewish but it also claimed Franklin Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower were Jewish so how reliable it was is open to question.

Posted by jonjayray on May 23, 2005, 10:31 PM | #

I have received the following excellent comment via email:

Churchill was right about the strong Jewish influence in the Bolshevik revolution. What he came to relaize not too many years later was that these were anti-Judiasm and anti-Zionist Jews. It was the Jewish Bolsheviks who were responsible for slaughtering thousands of rabbis in the anti religious drive in which tens of thousands of preists were tortured and killed under Lenin.

All his life, both before and after the revoltuion, Churchill was famous for the numebr of close Jewish friends he had (his father Randolph and FDR were the same, Harry Truman famously was not). He defend the Jewish National Home policy in 1921-22 when it could easily have been scrapped. And he abandoned his brief belief in the Protocols ("The Times” had endorsed them after all) when they soon exposed as a fake. The reason Hutler refused to meet him in Munich in 1932 was that he had heard how vigorously Churchill on his visit to the city had (privatey as well as well as publicly) denounced his anti-Semitism. The 1937 quote on Hitler was written carefully for public consumption when Churchill still thought Hitler might be deterred from a course of war and endless bloodshed. His private views on Hitler were always alarming and scathing. And it was in an essay entitled “Hitler and his Choices”. The essay was a famous one, Churchill included it in his great collection “Great Contemporaries” and no Jews took offense at it. Hitler did.

Posted by Effra on May 24, 2005, 08:11 AM | #

David Irving is fond of alluding to ‘Jenny Jacobson Jerome’, but you know what a big tease he is.

Indisputably Churchill preferred the company (and bailing-out capacity) of international moneylenders and businessmen to that of his own class of aristocratic landowners, and some of his boon companions and bankrollers were Jewish. These associations contributed to the image of unreliability and vulgarity which made the British establishment mistrust him, along with his record of changing political allegiance and his publicity-seeking.

Posted by super pill on May 25, 2005, 01:06 AM | #

Re: Jenny Jerome’s paternal ancestry.

Jenny appears to be solid New England “Yankee” or “Puritan”. Her father’s immigrant ancestor was Timothy Jerome, born 1688 prob. Isle of Wight, England. He came to the British colony of Massachusetts in 1710.

Of course Old Testament (Jewish) given names like Aaron and Isaac (her grandfather and g-grandfather) were common among the NE Puritans who considered themselves a covenant people or new Israel out to establish Zion in the new world. That may have confused some.

Jenny’s mother’s name was Clarissa Hall, dau. of Ambrose Hall and Clarissa Wilcox. Most of the family connections on both sides appear to be colonial Mass. and Conn.

Nothing conclusive , but I have seen no evidence of any hint of jewish ancestry for Jenny Jerome, the WASP socialite and mother of Winston C.

Posted by jonjayray on May 25, 2005, 02:56 AM | #

Bring back Wintermute!  I am sure he would have a dozen links on Jenny’s ancestry.  And we know what they would show

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 25, 2005, 01:06 PM | #

The most damning evidence against Winnie having been half-Jewish (or even, I would say, quarter-Jewish) as far as I’m concerned were his looks.  We’ve all seen photos of him, not just the John-Bull-type crusty mature elder-statesman the whole world knows so well (though that shows it too—no half-Jew ever born looked like that at that age) but ones from his early adulthood and his childhood.  In googling the Jewish thing on him the other day I went through several web-sites that included many photos of him as a child and young man, and that face on that child and that young man, from the skin to the eyes to the mouth and lips to the hair to the expression—everything, the whole facial package—is the purest Anglo-Saxon.  There’s no significant Jewish ancestry in that face.  The photos of him as a child and young man single-handedly, all by themselves, exclude the possibility that his mother was Jewish more surely than any genealogy anyone claims to have discovered.

Posted by Christen Rich on July 19, 2005, 08:15 PM | #

I am related to Winston Churchill ( distant cousin ) through his ancestor, Timothy Jerome who married Abigail Rich...Can anyone give me more information on this? It seems my great grandfather generations back was Nicholas Rich, who had Samuel Rich ( my line) and Abigail Rich ( Winston’s line). That is all I know…

Posted by barb on November 07, 2005, 02:23 PM | #

it sucked my nuts off

Posted by Cindy Anne Martinez on August 06, 2006, 05:44 AM | #

I am also related to Sir Winston Churchill. My father’s mother was Lula Jerome. She was related to Jennie Jerome, and I am very interested in any ancestry information that anyone who is related in the Jerome family tree could share with me. My grandmother’s father’s name was James Sylvester Jerome. The Jerome family came from New England from what I understand from family members and what little bit of Jerome info I have.

Posted by Al Ross on August 06, 2006, 06:24 AM | #

There is a belief among some Churchill students that the family name of Churchill’s mother was originally Jacobson.

Posted by Laura Sherman on December 09, 2006, 08:26 PM | #

I’m related to him as well.  He’s my fifth cousin, six times removed, according to my father.  I come from the Jerome side.  Timothy Jerome was my however-many-times-great-grandfather, and Churchill’s as well.  But I can’t remember which of Timothy’s sons I’m descended from.  I don’t think it’s Samuel, Churchill’s ancestor, but I don’t really know.  I have a book on all this that one of my great aunts or something compiled, so if any of you are related and would like me to look something up in the book, I’d be happy to.

Posted by Al Ross on December 10, 2006, 05:05 AM | #

When was Churchill’s maternal grandfather’s name changed from Jacobson to Jerome?

Posted by Amalek on December 10, 2006, 10:47 AM | #

Churchill boasted of being partly American Indian on his ma’s side, but the canard that she was a Jewess is as dubious as the Khazar origins of the Ashkenazim. It probably began as a clubland joke, given his fondness for the society of Hebrew financiers.

The point about Churchill was that he was a renegade from his father’s class: a Tory turned Liberal (and back), a consorter with plutocrats, a near-alcoholic, a manic depressive and spendthrift. Between his dismissal from the WW1 cabinet over Gallipoli and his barracking in the Commons over the Abdication, he became more and more mistrusted by the solid folks in both the Conservative and Liberal parties; and there was little love for him among Labourites either, after his deployment of soldiers against striking miners, his abortive resumption of the gold standard and his tub-thumping for Raj and Empire.

That such a man should have emerged as Labour’s choice for the premiership in the wake of the Norwegian catastrophe-- as much his responsibility as Gallipoli had been a quarter-century earlier-- is one of the wonders of politics. He was not wanted by the King or by most of the Conservative Party, who would have preferred Lord Halifax as being less wedded to a rhetorical policy of non-negotiation with the Axis. Even Churchill briefly wavered once he took office and realised the full scale of the threat to the future of his beloved Empire. But he gambled on dragging America in on our side to rectify the balance, as in 1917-18. He succeeded, but he doomed the Empire anyway.

Although one points this out only diffidently, since according to Guessedworker any attempt to deprecate Churchill is “like nothing so much as a politically inverted liberal self-hatred ... but a self-hatred nonetheless. “

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/http_majorityrightscom_indexphp_mark_richardsons_tolkiens_war/

Ingenious, what?

Posted by Peter on October 04, 2008, 07:40 PM | #

Churchill was a pure racist and fascist.
Read carefully his speech on Russia : you will notice that, Russians are : “mainly jews”, “under africans”, “asiatic bears"… and so on.

Posted by Kevin on August 24, 2009, 08:52 AM | #

“Whatever one may think of his methods - and they are certainly not those of a parliamentary country, there can be no doubt that he has achieved a marvelous transformation in the spirit of the people, in their attitude towards each other, and in their social and economic outlook…” In my opinion this quotation has nothing in common with Fascism. It just proves that Churchill was able to judge without prejudice. In fact Churchill was a brilliant man. I’ve seen recently a documentary about him (downloaded it at the torrents files search engine http://www.picktorrent.com ) I believe Churchill was very tactfull and very clever, as he was in politics in a very difficult period.

Posted by Mark IJsseldijk on August 24, 2009, 09:26 AM | #

“mainly jews”, “under africans”, “asiatic bears”

All lies and slanders which, amazingly and despite all evidence to the contrary, still persist to this day in Anglo and Anglo-American circles.  Hence all the retards on American WN boards throwing around the baseless assertion that “Slavs are Asiatic.” Apparently they cannot identify Aryans with their two eyes - which casts serious doubt on their intellect.