A Possible Explanation for the Flynn Effect
Richard D. Fuerle
The Flynn Effect, discovered by Richard Lynn (Lynn, 1977) and documented and named for James R. Flynn (Flynn, 1984, 1987), is a world-wide increase in IQ scores of about 3 IQ points per decade. That is, people today score higher on an old IQ test than people the same age did who took the same test decades earlier.
By suggesting the malleability of intelligence and the possibility that tweaking the environment might increase it, the Flynn Effect has raised the hopes of egalitarians, who believe that “all the races are equal in intelligence” (United Nations, 1950; also Flynn, 1999) and fervently want to erase the black-white IQ gap. Unfortunately, the cause of the Flynn Effect has not yet been pinpointed and, until it is, a program cannot be designed that will put the cause of the Flynn Effect to work increasing black intelligence. Moreover, as many experts suspect, the Flynn Effect may be only an increase in IQ scores, not an increase in real intelligence (i.e., the genetic potential for high intelligence), which may actually be declining (Lynn, 1996).
A possible explanation for the increase in IQ scores is that children today mature sooner, both physically and mentally, than children did decades ago (Sarich, 1999). Today’s children score higher, not because their real intelligence has increased, but because their brains are more mature. A 10 year old today has a brain that has grown faster and has more neural connections than the brain of a 10 year old who lived, say, 50 years ago. Because today’s 10 year olds have brains that, perhaps, 12 year olds had 50 years ago, they do better on an IQ test taken by 10 year olds 50 years ago. Psychologists think they are comparing identical groups of children – 10 year olds to 10 year olds, but they are actually comparing apples and oranges – 10 year old brains to 12 year old brains. Real intelligence has not increased, children just acquire it sooner, and fully mature people today may actually be less intelligent than fully mature people were decades ago.
Table 1 (Terman et al., 1973) shows Flynn Effect changes in average IQ scores.
Table 1
ESTIMATES OF THE AVERAGE 1972 IQ SCORES WHEN THE 1972 STANFORD-BINET TEST PERFORMANCE IS REFERENCED TO THE 1937 NORMS
That the maximum increase in IQ scores occurred between the ages of 2-0 and 4-6 is strong evidence that accelerated maturation is responsible for the Flynn Effect because not much else could cause such a large increase in the IQ scores of American children who are that young. The scores fall from age 3-6 to age 10-0, then rise again, consistent with faster maturation to age 3-6, followed by a slowing of the rate of maturation up to puberty and a second acceleration at puberty, which now begins earlier so the effects of the second acceleration start showing up at age 11-0.
The difference between black and white IQ scores is small at a young age, then increases towards adulthood. Lynn (2006, p. 45) reports an average IQ of 92 for 2 year old sub-Saharan Africans (s-S Africans), which drops to 67 by adulthood. (Lynn, 2006, p. 37). There is good evidence that blacks mature faster than whites, and that the black brain matures earlier than the white brain. (Rushton, 2000, pp, 147-150). The greater maturity of 2 year old s-S Africans raises their IQ scores, so they test only 8 IQ points (100 – 92) behind 2 year old whites. By adulthood, however, when both white and black brains are fully mature and therefore at the same level of maturity, the difference in IQ scores is much larger, 33 IQ points (100 – 67). This suggests that lower IQ scores at maturity may be the result of faster maturation, and that the Flynn Effect is due to faster maturation.
Adult female brain size, adjusted for body size, is about 100cc smaller than male brain size (Ankney, 1992; Rushton, 1992) and average adult female intelligence is about 3.63 IQ points (Jackson, 2006) or about 5 IQ points (Lynn, 2006) lower. Up to about age 14, however, faster-maturing girls have identical or higher IQ scores than boys, but after boys have their growth spurt at puberty they catch up and score higher than girls. (Colom, 2004). This also suggests that faster maturation may result in a lower IQ at maturity, and that the Flynn Effect is due to faster maturation.
If IQ scores are lower at maturity, real intelligence has very likely fallen. If it has, the Flynn Effect is not the good news that egalitarians hoped it would be, but is instead ominously bad news because it means that people are becoming less intelligent. The higher fertility of less intelligent people is often given as the reason for a dysgenic drop in real intelligence from one generation to the next (Lynn et al., 2004), but that would not explain a drop in real intelligence within a population as it ages; accelerated maturation would.
The Right Tail Effect
Figure 1 shows the bell-shaped IQ curves for males (blue) and females (red).
Figure 1
(Nyborg, 2005). “General Intelligence” is the number of standard deviations (SDs) above or below the mean IQ of all the test takers; one SD is about 15 IQ points and males have a greater SD than females. “Frequency” times 100 is the percentage of males or females who have the corresponding IQs. “Ratio” is the number of males at an IQ level divided by the number of females at that level.
In Figure 1, the number of males and females is the same (i.e., the total area under the male curve is the same as the total area under the female curve), but there are more males at the high end of the curve (i.e., the area under the male curve above, say, 1 SD is greater). There are two reasons for that: (1) the male mean IQ is higher, which disproportionately increases the number of males at the high end of the curve and reduces the number at the low end. That is, if the male mean is 5% greater than the female mean, the number of males who are above, say, 1 SD will be more than 5% greater than the number of females who are above 1 SD, and (2) the male curve has a greater SD, i.e., fewer males than females are in the middle of their curve and more are at the right and left ends.
The dotted line in Figure 1 is the number of times more males there are than females at each IQ level. The difference between the male and female means and SDs causes the dotted line to rise rapidly as IQ increases, which is the “right tail effect.” Even though the difference between the male and female means and SDs is only a few IQ points, those differences cause a large difference between the number of males and the number of females who have high IQs.
Because the difference between average black IQ and average white IQ is much greater than the difference between average male IQ and average female IQ, and the black SD is less than the white SD (Jensen, 1998, p. 353; La Griffe du Lion, 2000), the black-white right tail effect is greater than the male-female right tail effect (Herrnstein et al., 1994, p. 279). As a result, the number of high IQ blacks is far less than the number of high IQ whites.
The right tail effect is a mathematical result that occurs when any two groups have different means and/or different SDs. The two groups may be tested at the same time, but differ in age, sex, race, etc. (e.g., males and females, blacks and whites), or the two groups may be similar, but tested at two different times (e.g., 10 year olds in 1920 and 10 year olds in 1970). If two similar groups are tested decades apart and the curve with the higher mean is at the later time, then not only will IQ scores be increasing, but high IQ scores will be increasing disproportionately. Also, the increase in the number of high scorers will be matched by an equal decrease in the number of low scorers. In other words, as long as the size and shape of the later curve is the same as the earlier curve, a right tail increase (more high scorers) is matched by an equal left tail decrease (fewer low scorers), and a right tail decrease (fewer high scorers) is matched by a left tail increase (more low scorers).
The Left Tail Effect
A study in Spain (Table 2) shows that the Flynn Effect increased low-end scores much more than high-end scores, i.e., the number of people with low scores decreased more than the number of people with high scores increased.
Table 2
(Colom et al., 2005). The difference between the 1970 and 1999 Raw Scores is shown in the last column.
Those results should immediately raise suspicions about the Flynn Effect because, as explained in the preceding paragraph, if the IQ curve has moved to the right, the decrease in low scorers must be matched by an equal increase in high scorers. Since that did not occur, we know that something else is affecting the scores besides the Flynn Effect.
Similar to the results in Table 2, SAT scores, which correlate 0.8 with IQ scores (Seligman, 1991; Flynn, 1984), dropped at the same time that IQ scores were rising. (Deary, 2001, Chap. 6; Herrnstein et al., 1994, pp. 425-427). If the Flynn Effect is due to an increase in real intelligence then it is difficult to explain why SAT scores would fall at the same time that IQ scores increase. However, if the Flynn Effect occurs because the children taking the test are more mature, then an explanation becomes possible, namely that the children taking the test are both more mature and their real intelligence has fallen.
The IQ tests are taken by everyone, but the SAT takers are a more intelligent subset. If we compare people who took the SAT decades apart, we find that SAT scores are lower. The reason is that real IQ has fallen and, due to the right tail effect, the number of people at the right side of the SAT curve has fallen disproportionately.
On the other hand, if we compare people of the same age who took the IQ tests in the same years that the SAT was taken, we find that IQ scores have increased. The reason is that the test takers who took the more recent IQ test were more mature. Although increased maturity raised the IQ scores of everyone, the decrease in real intelligence disproportionately lowered the number of people at the high end, ergo, rising IQ scores and falling SAT scores and, in Table 2, the number of people with high scores did not increase as much as the number of people with low scores.
The Flynn Effect in Mature Adults
Once the brain is fully mature, there obviously can be no effect on IQ scores due to accelerated maturation. The density of grey matter in the brain increases to age 30 then rapidly declines, but the volume of white matter in the brain does not peak until about age 45. (Sowell et al., 2003). Thus, any increase in the IQ scores of people over those ages cannot be attributed to accelerated maturation. While IQ scores decline somewhat in the elderly (Mortensen et al., 1993; Raven et al, 1998, Graph G1), today’s elderly nevertheless score higher than elderly people did decades earlier. In one study, people of ages 20 to 70 who took an IQ test in 1942 were compared to people of ages 20 to 70 who took an IQ test in 1992. Those who took the 1992 test, including people over 45 and even people who were 70, did better than people the same age did who took the 1942 test. (Raven et al., 1998, Graph G2).
However, between 1900 and 2000 life expectancy at birth for all races and both sexes in the United States increased 63% from 47.3 to 77.0 (CDC, 2006, Table 27). Also, there is a right tail effect because intelligent people live longer than less intelligent people (Hemmingsson et al., 2006; Gottfredson et al., 2004) so, as a population ages, the number of people in the higher IQ percentiles increases disproportionately. In other words, people whose brain is not fully mature have increased IQ scores due to accelerated maturation, and people whose brain is fully mature have increased IQ scores because, while everyone is living longer, more intelligent people live longer than less intelligent people.
The Flynn Effect appears to have stalled or even reversed in Norway and some other countries (Sundet et al., 2004; Teasdale et al., 2005 & 2007). If accelerated maturation, as proposed, is the cause of the Flynn Effect, then in these countries children have stopped maturing earlier, either because the rapidity of maturation has reached a biological limit or because whatever was causing more rapid maturation has diminished or reversed.
Children Mature Earlier
There is considerable evidence that children today mature earlier. “In the abandoned medieval village of Wharram Percy in Yorkshire, the churchyard has yielded hundreds of skeletons for analysis. There ten-year-olds were around 8in shorter than children today: by the time they were fully grown they were nearly as tall as modern adults.” (Roberts et al., 2005).
A 1997 study of 17,000 American girls (Herman-Giddens et al, 1997) and a British study at Bristol University (Golding, 2000) tracked 14,000 children and found one in six girls with signs of puberty by eight years old, compared to one in 100 a generation ago. “The average age at menarche – when periods start – has plummeted over the past 150 years in western societies from around 17 years old down to 12 or 13.” (Macleod, M., 2007). Boys, too, showed an earlier onset of puberty. (Karpati, 2002).
Possible Causes for Earlier Maturation
A number of reasons have been given for the earlier maturation of children. Explanations have included hereditary and diet factors, increases in obesity and body weight, chemicals acting as endocrine disrupters, and the sexualization of children by the media.
An explanation that is consistent with experimental evidence and evolutionary theory is that earlier maturation is due to increased calories. It is known that substantial calorie reduction can extend the maximum life span of a variety of organisms, including monkeys, rats, mice, flies, worms, and yeast, by 30 to 70 percent (Weindruch et al., 1986; Yu et al., 1985). Restricting calories reduces aging in humans, which can be expected to extend life span. (Youngman et al., 1992; Roth et al., 2002; Heilbronn et al., 2003; Masoro, 2005). If reduced calories increase life span, increased calories should shorten life span by accelerating maturation.
That children consume more calories is shown by the increase in childhood obesity, which has been widely publicized and is a major concern. “A multivariate analysis confirms that obesity (as measured by BMI) is significantly associated with early puberty in white girls and is associated with early puberty in black girls as well, but to a lesser extent.” (Kaplowitz et al., 2001; also, Lee et al., 2007).
An earlier maturation, i.e., adapting a more “r” reproductive strategy (Rushton, 2000), when excess calories are consumed over a significant period of time, enables individuals to have more surviving offspring. Conversely, a delay in maturation when food is not available prevents the birth of children who are not likely to survive. The poorly nourished !Kung women of Namibia begin menstruation at 17, while well-fed white Americans begin at 12. (Arsuaga, 2001, p. 218). “Obesity can lead to larger babies …,” increasing the need for Cesarean births, further evidence that increased calories accelerates maturation. (Susman, 2006).
Lynn (1990) has suggested that the Flynn Effect may be due to improved nutrition. Better nutrition, however, implies not just an increase in IQ scores, but that a deficiency in the brain has been remedied, so that real intelligence has increased, which is not consistent with Lynn’s later position that real intelligence has fallen. (Lynn et al., 2004). Given the brain’s first claim on the body’s resources and the absence of supporting data, that hypothesis does not seem likely except for severe nutritional deprivation, which is not applicable to developed countries that have had Flynn Effects. If the Flynn Effect is due to increased calories, however, the Effect would be only the normal age-related increase in intelligence occurring at a younger age.
It is primarily the quantity of food that affects the maturation rate, not its nutritional quality. Indeed, overall nutrition in the industrialized nations may have actually declined because, despite the fortification of milk, cereals, salt, and other foods with vitamins and other nutrients, there is a greater consumption of low-nutritional, but high-calorie, “junk” food and sugary soft drinks.
There is evidence for increased head circumference (Ounsted et al., 1985) and brain weight (Kretschmann et al, 1979) in children, and also for brain weight in adults (Miller et al., 1977). Faster maturation explains the increased head circumference and brain weight in children. The small increase in the brain weight of people whose brains are fully mature is due to (1) the fact that, on average, more intelligent people have larger brains (“r” = 0.44, Lynn, 2006, p. 214) and (2) the increased life span of more intelligent people, resulting in a right tail effect – a disproportional increase in the number of more intelligent mature people, as explained above.
Testing the Proposed Explanation
There are a few ways that the proposed explanation can be tested. Group A are children of several decades ago who at that time had a chronological and maturity age of, say, 10. Group B are children living at the same time as Group A, but they had a chronological and maturity age of, say, 12. Group C are more mature children living today who, compared to Groups A and B, have a chronological age of 10 and a maturity age of 12. Group C takes the same two intelligence tests that Groups A and B took decades ago. The proposed explanation predicts that the scores of Group C will be higher than the scores of Group A due to their increased maturity, but lower than the scores of group B due to their decreased real intelligence.
The proposed explanation also predicts a positive correlation between the increase in IQ scores and the number of years that the age of puberty (and other indicia of maturation) has dropped.
Assuming that increased calories are the principal cause of faster maturation, a similar positive correlation is predicted between yearly increase in calorie consumption (or increase in obesity) and the increase in IQ scores, though there may be a lag time between the two and, of course, the effect will eventually reach a biological limit.
The proposed explanation further suggests that the Flynn Effect should be at a maximum at about the age at which the difference in maturation between the earlier and later test takers is greatest. As suggested by Table 1, a curve plotting maturation differences and the Flynn Effect against age may show two Flynn Effect peaks and two corresponding maturation difference peaks, one for toddlers and the other for teenagers; the toddler maturation difference peak is expected to be greater because the toddler Flynn Effect is greater.
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“Take Birch Barlow for instance. You’d think he’d be smart enough, having graduated college and everything, to comprehend race. You’d think wrong. He can’t seem to grasp it.” (—my comment, just above)
Of course that doesn’t stop him, along with David B the outright race-denier, from being one of the star bloggers at “the internet’s pre-eminent ‘race-realist’ blog.” Yeah you read that right (I only wish you hadn’t). (File that in the “You Can’t Make These Things Up” department ...)
“I figured R. Lindsay was just here to stir up some s--t and amuse himself” (—skeptical)
That’s also why Silver’s here.
“And there is simply no point exchanging words with the insincere.”
Exactly.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Monday, January 21, 2008 at 04:06 PM | #
This is a response to Silver from the comments section of my blog:
“But there is an area of the Sierra Nevada Mts. where I spend an awful lot of time where just about everyone is a Euro-White”
So that’s a benefit.
And if it were non-white, it wouldn’t be as good. Indeed, going on the evidence, it would likely be pretty bad. Unless it was all Korean, in which case it would be good, but not as good as being all white.
Now, how to reconcile that with agigating against WN?
silver | | 01.21.08 - 9:48 am | #
Everything you say is correct.
WN is wrong because it demands separatism. That White town, where I spent 16 YEARS OF MY LIFE, mind you, well, I know it very well. There is almost no racism in that town at all. It’s about 88% White, 5% American Indian (no problems at all really), ~5% Hispanic and the other 2% are S Indian, Asian, Black, etc. The difference is that your ideology demands that such a town be racist! And that town is not racist! Which is why it is a beautiful place. Even now that quite a few Hispanics have moved in it’s not racist. Even with 5% Amerindians it was never racist. Mostly White towns can be pretty nice if they are not racist. But a bunch of you WN maniacs move in and it’s going to destroy all of that.
The Hispanics are laying low, keeping their heads down and being on good behavior for the time being. Small Hispanic minorities are not particularly harmful to mostly White towns - they cause few significant problems. The problem with guys like you is that you can’t stand to live in an 88% White town - it’s 100% or nothing! And most of you hate non-Whites, and the Whites in those towns (Oakhurst and Coarsegold) aren’t racist at all. THIS is the problem.
As a matter of fact, I would recommend you guys move to a town like Oakhurst or Coarsegold right now right now. Come to town and ask around and maybe we can even meet for coffee. I think you will love it. A problem, though, is that there is so little crime, and with the innately uptight nature of Whites, the cops harass completely innocent people.
A friend of mine was banned by the White kids at the local Starbucks because they thought he was “weird”. He’s 45 years old and they accused him of checking out young women. So what! In this Hispanic town I live in now, NO ONE would EVER do something so stupid and puritanical. It’s normal for any male of any age to check a young female. Mexicans think that is normal human behavior. It’s only uptight, puritanical N European Whites who think there is something weird about that. I have also found that Hispanics are WAY more friendly than Whites. Whites are just cold and uptight and intolerant and puritanical. You get really low crime, but then you get all that not so good stuff too.
You guys don’t have a rational project other than hate, separatism, supremacism, expulsion or apartheid. That’s it! None of that is happening anytime soon.
WN would be rational if it was the White version of the NAACP - opposing blatant racism and unfair treatment of Whites. Even I would support such a movement 100%. But you guys just can’t be reasonable. You have to be fanatics. You have to hate. I think Fred Scrooby (Love ya, Fred!) is one of the only non-haters on this board. His only agenda is to separate to preserve his own race, and he harbors no ill will towards most other races. I don’t agree, but at least there is a humanistic impulse.
Posted by Robert Lindsay on Monday, January 21, 2008 at 04:27 PM | #
Why aren’t Jews all manning the battle stations Jobling has set up over at Inverted World? Jobling’s made that place as welcoming to Jews as humanly possible. What’s he got to show for it?
Come on, you gave him two weeks and you were already calling it a dismal failure.
Does MR.com reject “input and participation from” sympathetic Jews? Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I missed it if it does.
“Jewby”—recall that?—not everybody shares your intestinal fortitude. There does not need to be an explicit policy in order for an uninviting atmosphere to exist.
It turns out race is a hard concept for some people. (Those for whom it’s the simplest thing in the world are stunned by that realization.) Take Birch Barlow for instance. You’d think he’d be smart enough, having graduated college and everything, to comprehend race. You’d think wrong. He can’t seem to grasp it. Think of the hardest thing you ever had to study in math and physics in college. That’s how hard race is for some people. Strange, but apparently that’s the reality we’re dealing with. I’m talking about men here. Women of course can’t grasp it at all: a car hasn’t got the equipment to fly, or an airplane to be a submarine, or a red-green color-blind person to see red and green, or a woman to perceive race. You can’t do what you lack the neuronal/hormonal equipment to do. No woman sees race.
To acknowledge all of that is to acknowledge that the link between multiracialism and ‘race-replacement’ is unclear.
You don’t teach a child basic algebra and then condemn him for not going on to derive integral calculus of his own accord. How is it you go on to deny the plea of ignorance to alleged race-replacers?
Never heard of [Avigdor Lieberman]. What’s his blog’s URL? I’ll stop by and leave a few supportive comments.
Look him up if you haven’t. He wants to swap territory with the Palestinians, with the explicit goal of reducing Arab numbers in Israel. Can you really not see the value in anything—that’s how desperate the stakes are becoming, anything—coming from the Euro-sphere (which Israel is, I believe) that controverts liberal assumptions about Diversity Inc.? (It has to be Euro-sphere, and preferably rich Euro-sphere.) He’s savaged by the Israeli left for his brutal ‘racism’, with one (raciallly) Dutch-fathered Labor minister resigning in protest at Lieberman’s then post in the government. Something, someone, somewhere (in proximity) needs to get the ball rolling; it doesn’t necessarily need to begin in Old Europe or America itself. This strikes me as far more intelligent and practical than cozying up to Muslims in an effort to ... what? I’ve never understood Islamist WNs; a politics of bitterness is all I can surmise.
I for one never traffic in the concept of “racialism.” I call racialism “normalness.” Jews have been in the forefront of perverting normalness since World War II’s end, normalness which had been, well, the “norm,” for a hundred thousand years until 1945. There’s no reason that perversion, which is actively maintained every generation anew with massive Jewish help, can’t be undone. Who are the biggest opponents of undoing it? Oh right, I forgot — the Amish. Yes! Those damned Amish!
Not the Amish, simply… what to call them? Communists? Marxists? Socialists?
Yes, Jews have produced astounding numbers of very prominent ones, but how to explain away the Robert Lindsay’s, the James Flynn’s and the veritable hordes of other such gentiles?
What you see as naked Judaism, I see as naked communism/marxism. However much the communism of yesteryear might have aided Jews (debatable), today’s pro-arabism, pro-Islam-ism, pro-immigrationism (yes, into Israel too) dooms Jews almost every bit as much as it does whites.
This opens up an entirely different line of inquiry but it’s 4:00am here and I am tired and going to bed and I never intended to get so deep into the JQ.
Posted by silver on Monday, January 21, 2008 at 05:03 PM | #
WN would be rational if it was the White version of the NAACP - opposing blatant racism and unfair treatment of Whites.
There is nothing “immoral” about racial discrimination. Hardly anyone believed that a mere hundred years ago. The term “racism” didn’t come into circulation until the 1930s. The vast majority of Americans disagreed with W.E.B. DuBois in 1910.
Even I would support such a movement 100%. But you guys just can’t be reasonable.
A movement is reasonable if its conclusions follow from its premises.
You have to be fanatics. You have to hate.
I confess to being a radical. I hate liberal democracy. If that system of government were annihilated tommorrow, I would be overjoyed. As for other races, if they would relocate elsewhere, I wouldn’t have a problem with them.
I think Fred Scrooby (Love ya, Fred!) is one of the only non-haters on this board. His only agenda is to separate to preserve his own race, and he harbors no ill will towards most other races. I don’t agree, but at least there is a humanistic impulse.
Hatred is a natural human emotion. Obviously, you harbor an extreme dislike towards any number of things. You are for the poor hating the rich. No one here is going to buy into that cant. Your animosity towards racially conscious whites has nothing to do with “hatred.”
Posted by Charlie Prince on Monday, January 21, 2008 at 05:16 PM | #
All mainstream organizations treat open racialism as an enemy, as do many prominent consciously white intellectuals. Of itself, such hostility signifies little and does not exclude sharing common (longterm) interests.
Irrelevant. That was not always the case. The vast majority of whites go along with the status quo because it pays to do so. My grandparents remember the time when “anti-racism” was considered radical and dangerous. Martin Luther King, Jr. was extremely unpopular here.
Jews played a decisive role in establishing the taboo against “racism” in North America. They were the ones pushing for these changes to our culture before they were institutionalized. The American case is not unique. It has strong parallels in South Africa where Jews were vastly overrepresented amongst the vanguard of the anti-apartheid movement.
Nevertheless here you are. The Polaks of 1924 may not have been the most jubilant racialists but what of it today?
I’m not willing to risk the racial welfare of my descendants on giving Jews a tenth chance.
(Much of that record could--and ought to be--be debated, btw.)
I would be happy to debate the issue with you. Personally, I have never bothered to read David Duke. I never really listened to William Pierce either. I came to these conclusions about the Jews independently through my own research.
Almost everybody despises racialism.
Almost everyone in America was once a racialist. That changed. All of us here know why it changed, too.
Jews, in particular, despise it because for them, as they see it, racialism has had such horrible consequences and, I would argue, because so many of you insist that there is not, nor can there ever be, any common interest which extends into the sphere of racialism with Jews.
American racialism hasn’t traditionally been anti-Semitic. That only changed in the 1960s. It changed because of the overwhelming Jewish involvement in the movement to destroy racialism. Jews started this quarrel with us for their own reasons. They are completely to blame for the animosity directed towards them in the racially conscious community.
This isn’t a blanket call to ‘aimer le juif’ as you do your own, or even to set about mending fences.
Jews won’t be around to cause us further problems after they are deported from North America.
It’s a suggestion that rejecting out of hand Jewish co-operation is strategically myopic and counterproductive, just as is rejecting such co-operation from ‘marginals’.
It’s strategically myopic to assume that Jews would drop their crusade against “racism” if only we would say nice things about them. Several racialists have already tried this. It didn’t work.
There is a world of difference in the way Taylor has been treated compared to William Pierce.
No, there is not. I say this as someone who has far more in common with Taylor than Pierce. Even Lawrence Auster won’t cooperate with Jared Taylor at Amren. What does that say about the mainstream Jewish community?
Charles Murray is often treated as a racist crackpot, too.
I haven’t seen Charles Murray endorse white racial preservation anywhere. Doesn’t he have multiracial kids?
I’m not aware of 60s segregationists or SA whites being smeared as “nazis”. I think racialism + antisemitism is required to earn that label; evidently, many appear to warrant it.
My grandparents are segregationists. They lived through that period of history.
I don’t dispute the above. I am obviously talking about working with what you have.
Victory for us lies in excluding Jews at every opportunity while steadily expanding our discursive sphere to influence larger audiences.
The Jew obsession is a potent factor in driving away your natural constituency as well as potentially useful sympathetic contributors.
The taboo against anti-Semitism in our culture reflects Jewish penetration of our media and universities. Conforming to the taboo only reinforces it. Accepting Jews is neither practical or sensible in light of the threat they pose.
Posted by Charlie Prince on Monday, January 21, 2008 at 06:06 PM | #
When dealing with bad behavior, particularly of animals like RL or your pet dog, it is frequently necessary to catch them in the act rather than merely rubbing their noses in the consequences of the act after the fact. Something about temporal association with the “doing” must exist for the reinforcement to be successful.
Here we have RL:
WN is wrong because it demands separatism.
caught in the act of metaphorically going doo-doo on the carpet.
Compare to his statement:
I’m all for self-determination… but you guys (white nationalists) don’t qualify.
this is metaphorically equivalent to a rabid animal biting a human.
So let’s see if we can do anything with this animal named “Robert Lindsey” posing as a human:
Hey, Robert Lindsey—yeah I’m speaking to that vestigial “human” left lingering around underneath the parasitically highjacked nervous sytem.
You didn’t lose your humanity by simply holding the opinion that separatism is “wrong”. All holding that opinion does is limits is your right to reside in territories practicing racial separatism. You are perfectly free to live in territories that tolerate—nay even PROMOTE the “good” of racial panmixia within those territories. WN’s believe you are “wrong” for doing so but you did not lose your humanity simply by holding the opinion that separatism is “wrong”.
You lost your humanity, making killing you no more an offense than euthanizing an animal, when you said:
“I’m all for self-determination… but you guys (white nationalists) don’t qualify.”
Now, I’m not saying that everyone should drop what they are doing and hunt you down but I am saying that if someone _were_ to kill you, for whatever reason/motive, and be tried for murder, I would advise the jurors to vote not to convict on the grounds that you abrogated your human rights by denying them to others. Perhaps there should be some punishment for some modes of killing. I mean just because a rabid dog bites someone you love and they die is no excuse to go torturing the sick animal, however pleasurable as “revenge” that might be.
Did the vestigial human read and understand that?
Just kidding—I know he didn’t. You really are a hopeless case. Not all animals who once were humans should be euthanized prior to some attempt to cure them, but in your case there doesn’t appear to be any economical treatment and euthanasia is, after all, as much about economics as it is suffering.
Posted by James Bowery on Monday, January 21, 2008 at 07:18 PM | #
“Come on, you gave him two weeks and you were already calling it a dismal failure.” (—Silver)
Our predictions torpedoed the Inverted World??? (With power like we should switch from “race” to stock market tips.)
“ ‘Jewby’ — recall that? — not everybody shares your intestinal fortitude. There does not need to be an explicit policy in order for an uninviting atmosphere to exist.”
The Jews are way tougher than you or I, Silver.
“To acknowledge all of that is to acknowledge that the link between multiracialism and ‘race-replacement’ is unclear. [...] How is it you go on to deny the plea of ignorance to alleged race-replacers?”
It’s not unclear to the people running the show, who are neither ignorant nor as dense as Birch and David B. You can verify that by observing the way they move their pieces on the chess board. These are people who understand everything and make their moves exactly in accord with that understanding.
“He wants to swap territory with the Palestinians, with the explicit goal of reducing Arab numbers in Israel.”
If I were a Jew that’s what I’d favor.
“Something, someone, somewhere [...] needs to get the ball rolling”
It’s rolling.
If you imagine that U.S. Jews worried about Israel’s demographics are worried about the Eurosphere’s you’re mistaken. The kind of Jew we’re talking about sees the world divided into Jews and goys, nothing else, no other groups, and if you imagine there are other groups in existence than just those two — Frenchmen, for example, or Germans, or Englishmen, or Negroes, or “whites” — that right there makes you a fascist, all by itself. There are “whites”? OK, you’re a fascist. There are Negroes? OK, you’re a fascist. There are Dutchmen? You’re a fascist. There are only Jews and goys, nothing else? OK, you’re all right, you’re not a fascist. That’s how an astonishing number of these Jews think, including an astonishing number of the kind of Jews who run things. There can’t be demographic encroachments in the U.S. because there aren’t such things as Euros or such things as Negroes: Euros and Negroes don’t exist, they’re exactly the same as each other, and anyone who thinks they’re different is a fascist. On the other hand, there can be demographic encroachments in Israel because Jews and goys exist. They’re the only things that exist: Jews and goys.
“cozying up to Muslims”
Yes it appears WNs who do this see Israel as an enemy (which I don’t at all) and invoke the “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” principle
“how to explain away the Robert Lindsay’s [...]?”
They’ve always been among us, too weak by themselves to inflict harm, but after massive bolstering through alliance with Jews they can and do wreak havoc.
“What you see as naked Judaism, I see as naked communism/marxism.”
I used to see it that way too. My current understandings only gelled something like a year or so after I began coming to this blog.
“However much the communism of yesteryear might have aided Jews (debatable), today’s pro-arabism, pro-Islam-ism, pro-immigrationism (yes, into Israel too) dooms Jews almost every bit as much as it does whites.”
Jews like Abe Foxman think what they’re doing in sowing Euro societal and racial destruction advances Jewish interests. I think they’re wrong. Some rank-and-file Jews do too, but rank-and-file Jewish dissenters are as able to stop them as rank-and-file Italians are to stop the mafia.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Monday, January 21, 2008 at 07:47 PM | #
“I think Fred Scrooby (Love ya, Fred!) is one of the only non-haters on this board. His only agenda is to separate to preserve his own race, and he harbors no ill will towards most other races.”—Robert Lindsey
That’s because Fred --like ALL the regulars that post here— are a lovers, not a haters. I can’t say the same thing for the “white-liberals” that oppose them [race-realists].
Posted by onlooker on Monday, January 21, 2008 at 08:19 PM | #
“The Jews are way tougher than you or I, Silver.” (—my comment, a couple above)
So are Serbs, by the way ... (so much for Silver’s being one ...)
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Monday, January 21, 2008 at 09:21 PM | #
Birdman vs. Tim “nobody here but us evil whites” Wise:
Sorry, nothing more specific to give you.
Posted by Svigor on Monday, January 21, 2008 at 09:31 PM | #
Does MR.com reject “input and participation from” sympathetic Jews? Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I missed it if it does.
Haha. This is how I know I’m not an anti-Semite - because Jews who go Bobby Fischer are okay in my book. They’re righteous Jews in my book. Now, Jews who try to sit at my table and play the same old games? Nope, not having it. Jewish and Proud and company can take a long walk off a short pier.
Posted by Svigor on Monday, January 21, 2008 at 09:39 PM | #
“So are Serbs, by the way ... (so much for Silver’s being one ...)”
Silver’s logic is so much superior to your’s Fred, maybe you should just concede and start listening to him.
Posted by onlooker on Monday, January 21, 2008 at 09:43 PM | #
WN is forced to demand separatism.
A crisis of violence
John is white. He is married with two children. He wears a blue collar when he leaves his shabby, inner-city house to go to work. Life has been a struggle for John, but now he faces his most difficult challenge. John’s neighborhood is turning black.In John’s city, neighborhoods do not integrate, they go black. He has seen it happen elsewhere. He knows what to expect. John and his family will soon face intolerable hardships. They will have to move. Inevitably the last whites able to leave, will. High among their reasons will be fear—fear of becoming victims of violent crime. As his neighborhood turns black, John and his family will notice many changes, but none will be more dreaded than the prospect of being violently victimized.
We will model violent crime in John’s neighborhood, tracing its evolution as the community goes from all white to all black. We will chart the course of victimization from insidious beginnings to the threshold of intolerability. We will show that initially the swelling danger will be barely noticeable, but from the beginning there will be an underlying acceleration that ultimately will drive the risk to extreme levels.
The data
The data reveal two causes of white victimization by blacks. First, a black is 3 times more likely than a white to commit violent crime. However, as a neighborhood turns black, this factor could increase black-on-white violence at most by a factor of 3, and then only when a neighborhood is virtually all black. The observed level of white victimization is much too high to blame on general tendencies of blacks to be violent. A more important reason is simply that blacks prefer white victims.The best and most complete evidence comes from the Justice Department. Its annual National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) canvasses a representative sample of about 80,000 Americans, from roughly 43,000 households. From this survey, a picture of crime is painted by its victims. The last full report of the NCVS was issued in 1994. From it we learn that blacks committed 1,600,951 violent crimes against whites. In the same year, whites committed 165,345 such offenses against blacks. Despite being only 13 percent of the population, blacks committed more than 90 percent of the violent interracial crime. Less than 15 percent of these had robbery as a motive. The rest were assaults and rapes.
The asymmetry of interracial crime goes still deeper. More than half the violence committed by blacks is directed against whites, 57 percent in 1994. Less than 3 percent of the violence committed by whites is directed against blacks. Population and NCVS statistics reveal that in 1994 a black was 64 times more likely to attack a white than vice versa. In the city, the races live mostly apart from one another, so that the most convenient victims of thugs are others of the same race. Only a hunter’s (or soldier’s; Cleaver described his rape of white women as “an insurrectionary act. It delighted me that I was defying and trampling upon the white man’s law ... defiling his women.") mentality could account for the data.
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/hood.htm
Posted by Desmond Jones on Monday, January 21, 2008 at 10:02 PM | #
WN is wrong because it demands separatism.
Wrong.
The difference is that your ideology demands that such a town be racist! And that town is not racist!
Wrong.
The problem with guys like you is that you can’t stand to live in an 88% White town - it’s 100% or nothing!
Wrong.
And most of you hate non-Whites, and the Whites in those towns (Oakhurst and Coarsegold) aren’t racist at all.
Weasel words. I don’t hate non-whites.
THIS is the problem.
Wrong. What you find wrong with WNism has everything to do with you, and nothing to do with WNism. Whatever it is in you that causes this (head full of bad wiring, I dunno, something...) is anybody’s guess.
You guys don’t have a rational project other than hate, separatism, supremacism, expulsion or apartheid. That’s it! None of that is happening anytime soon.
You should exercise more concise diction and just call us Nazis.
WN would be rational if it was the White version of the NAACP - opposing blatant racism and unfair treatment of Whites. Even I would support such a movement 100%.
You’re wrong about the NAACP, too.
But you guys just can’t be reasonable. You have to be fanatics. You have to hate. I think Fred Scrooby (Love ya, Fred!) is one of the only non-haters on this board. His only agenda is to separate to preserve his own race, and he harbors no ill will towards most other races. I don’t agree, but at least there is a humanistic impulse.
Lol. This is the “thought crime” bit liberals love so much. They oppose what’s in our hearts, and ignore the ideology. Our rights are correlated with how many happy thoughts we think! Bob, wrong audience; 95% male here.
Fred Scrooby:
The Jews are way tougher than you or I, Silver.
This seems to be this week’s theme, at least on my end. Just came up at Sailer’s blog several times. Booooy is it ever true. In our Inverted World Jews are seen as nerdy, self-conscious, nice-guy-finishes-last types, but that’s just a crock cooked up by Jews for the suckers. Nothing could be further from the truth. Jews are aggressive, tenacious, will-to-power types, not shrinking violets.
Great example is what had me commenting about it at Sailer’s in the first place: Joan Rivers eviscerating a hapless professional black on British teevee. Frickin’ hilarious, but DEFINITELY NOT an example of a white growing a spine.
Posted by Svigor on Monday, January 21, 2008 at 10:05 PM | #
A more important reason is simply that blacks prefer white victims.
Oleaginous Jew Tim “nobody here but us evil whites” Wise actually had the chutzpah (how, why am I ever surprised any more?) to state this does not constitute “hate crime,” because blacks are disproportionately targeting whites as victims for purely economic reasons.
Even if true, Wise doesn’t have the brains to realize that whites discriminate against blacks for similarly rational purposes that semantically have no attachment to blackness per se.
Posted by Svigor on Monday, January 21, 2008 at 10:12 PM | #
When looking at the Index of Segregation for the English population in Montreal, based on information from Statistics Canada, one can note that it is 46%, which is much higher than that of the French population in Montreal.
According to the statistics gathered from Statistics Canada, the Index of Segregation for the black population in Montreal is 55.77%, which according to the guidelines of the index, is rather significant.
When examining the information gathered from Statistics Canada 2001, one can note that the Index of Segregation for the Italian population in Montreal is 43.19%. This percentage indicates that there is a high segregation among the Italian population in Montreal.
Additionally, according to Statistics Canada 2001, the Index of Segregation for the Portuguese population in Montreal is 43.3%, which is rather significant.
Separation or segregation is the default or natural position for ethnic and racial groups. It’s an evolutionary trait. People fundamentally, wish to live and associate with their own group.
Posted by Desmond Jones on Monday, January 21, 2008 at 11:46 PM | #
Here’s Robert Lindsay coming over all vain and self-important as the Big Man in anti-fascism. This antifa thing is a mental illness. It expresses as hate for one’s own kind. It is a tragedy of our dystopian age that Lindsays exist at all. But they do, and they try to do as much harm to their people as they can.
I am associated with the One People’s Project on the Internet. We play hardball with our enemies - check out the site. We are antifas. The information on you has been turned over to them and we will see what they will do with it. You should have known, young man, when you signed on to be some kind of a younger Jensen - Murray - Rushton, what the Hell you were getting into. All of those guys have been bashed all over the place for years or decades and now the spotlight is on you. If you value your reputation, why are you smudging it by writing this stuff? I’m not damaging your rep at all - your posts are!
I’m nothing but a political DEA agent cuffing your hands for selling this poison on our streets.
“Your personal information is available via the NY Times. You are an artist in Madison Wisconsin. Anyway, this is how the OPP works. Check out the site. We are hitmen. Welcome to the war.
... Your personal information is available via the NY Times. You are an artist in Madison Wisconsin. Anyway, this is how the OPP works. Check out the site. We are hitmen. Welcome to the war.
... For Chrissake, Malloy, what in God’s name do you think you are getting into here?
Please point out what is “implicitly violent” in my post about you. I’m not interested in soliciting violence.
Henceforth Robert is persona non grata at MR. IP banning is pretty much a waste of time, except for digital innocents. So I will ask him kindly to honour us with his absence.
Posted by Guessedworker on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 at 11:57 AM | #
I just read part of the exchange between Jason Molloy and Robert Lindsay at the link in GW’s comment above: no time to read the whole exchange right at the moment, but what I got through was very informative. (It’s in the comments thread underneath the article linked in GW’s comment.)
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 at 01:33 PM | #
No problem guys, if you want to ban me as an antifa, that will do just fine. This will be my last post here. You’re welcome to post at the blog, as we have several WN’s who regularly post there, but I need to warn you that there are some antis there who might just try to tear you to shreds.
Love ya, Fred!
Thx for playing, guys. It’s been real.
Posted by Robert Lindsay on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 at 03:59 PM | #
Lindsay’s blog is basically about giving a limbic rush to a bunch of “antis” verbally abusing humans foolish enough to participate. They need “the other” not to get to the truth of anything, but for the joy of the monkey-beat—backed up, of course, by government force. For such mutilated creatures, the cry of the monkey shouting down the human is the joy of living.
Posted by James Bowery on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 at 05:40 PM | #
I wish Lindsay and the OPP would come to Alabama and speak in my area. “We’re for illegal aliens, communism, and white genocide!” Be sure to put it that way.
Posted by Charlie Prince on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 at 06:45 PM | #
Svigor:
“A great example is Tim Wise’s private vs. public correspondence with the Birdman”
he sent some good hate mail to the Jewish Tribal Review editor too:
http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/wise.htm
Svigor:
“Humans self-identify racially at 99.8% accuracy.”
and here’s the reference, keep it in your bookmarks:
Racial groupings match genetic profiles, Stanford study finds
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-01/sumc-rgm012705.php
Posted by VLC on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 at 04:32 AM | #
R.Lindsay:
“People like me have just evolved to a higher level than you guys.”
LOL! If your so-called evolution leads to your extinction it’s irrelevant how supposedly “high” you are. Nutty ethnomasochistic leftists like you are like pacifists faced with an aggressive enemy or the dodo bird faced with a predator. The dodo was so much better and higher than his fellow animals that it disappeared in the stratosphere never to be seen again. Dodo was a good bird, a kind bird.
But whites on the other hand don’t have to be foolish cowards that cling on to a suicidal morality. Nothing inevitable here. If you really were convinced about the inevitability of your leftist dreamworld you wouldn’t be arguing for it, you would just relax and enjoy every minute that brings us closer to it. No?
R.Lindsay:
“Hispanics and Blacks at the moment are voting for progressive and environmental causes.”
oh yeah ?
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=192136&Disp=7
funny how they don’t seem to care about the environment when it’s time to act individually.
They just throw all their garbage in the street then vote for someone who’s going to pick it up for them? That’s just brilliant, I would have never thought of that by myself. Clearly superior they are.
* * *
too many people here seem to react to RL as if 1) Lindsay is a sincere principled person instead of a dishonest immature cyber prick who enjoys the attention he’s getting (not to mention that one has to have some serious psycho-ideological problems to be part of the One People’s Project, “hunting” dissidents and all) and 2) his opinions are relevant or constitute some serious opposition instead of ideological lunacy. I’ve read better debates against ‘antis’ in the Opposition section of Stormfront.
I think we’re wasting time debating a communist/OPP troll. How many visitors will read the whole three pages ? We’re probably just typing among ourselves.
(by the way : can you guys fix the recent comments problem on multiple pages threads ? the ‘P100’ or ‘P200’ doesn’t appear within the recent comments links so if I were to click on this very comment on the left side of the screen I would be redirected to page 1 instead of page 3.)
Posted by VLC on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 at 04:53 AM | #
VLC, thanks for posting the link to that thing on Tim Wise. That was an eye-opener.
Those statements of Wise’s bolster the sense many will have had that his activism — his and that of many if not most Jews similarly occupied (devoted to pro-Negro/anti-Eurochristian agitation, for example) — is inspired by JN (JN disguised as liberalism or leftism), not liberalism or leftism. JN can disguise itself as liberalism and leftism because those call for destruction of normalness — and JN does too, where normalness is the Euro societal matrix: JNs don’t like that matrix because it’s ethnically alien.
Few Tim-Wise-type diaspora-Jewish activists advocate corresponding policies for Israel. Some do, but a minority. Most don’t because they don’t want to destroy Israel, they only want to destroy us, the Eurochristians. A leftist would want to destroy both.
The small proportion of these diaspora-Jewish activists who do want to destroy both are the liberals and leftists. The majority of them aren’t liberals or leftists, merely JNs fighting what they see as JN’s enemies (Euros). That’s Tim Wise.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 at 06:00 AM | #
VLC,
Lindsay’s predictions can be seen in action here on the streets of Kinshasa. The city is literally called “Kinshasa the Garbage Dump.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/africa_kinshasa_0the_dustbin0/img/1.jpg
“Residents of the Democratic Republic of Congo capital, Kinshasa, used to proudly call their city “Kin La Belle” (Kinshasa The Beautiful) but after years of neglect, they now disparage it as “Kin La Poubelle” (Kinshasa the Dustbin).”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/africa_kinshasa_0the_dustbin0/img/2.jpg
“Rubbish is often dumped in the middle of roads, while people have to brave open sewers running in front of their houses.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/africa_kinshasa_0the_dustbin0/img/3.jpg
“But there is a bright side - goat herd Imoita Mbala says he always leaves his goats to graze on the rubbish tips as that is where they find the best food.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/africa_kinshasa_0the_dustbin0/img/4.jpg
“There is no official attempt to recycle any of the rubbish, which has almost blocked this storm drain. But Emmanuel says he searches the rubbish for water bottles, which he makes into plastic toys.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/africa_kinshasa_0the_dustbin0/img/5.jpg
“He says it is extremely hard work but he has no other way of earning his living.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/africa_kinshasa_0the_dustbin0/img/6.jp
“The city council has now started to try and clear up the mess but this often involves burning the rubbish, leading to the choking smell of molten plastic wafting through the air.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/africa_kinshasa_0the_dustbin0/img/7.jpg
“School children like Markes Kabingele are hired to clean the streets in their holidays. He says he has never tried to ask for protective equipment such as gloves or a face mask.”
ttp://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/africa_kinshasa_0the_dustbin0/img/8.jpg
“Philippe Bianselo lives around the corner from where the streets are being cleaned but says the efforts are a “joke”. He says he planted these flowers to try and hide some of the dirt outside his house.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/africa_kinshasa_0the_dustbin0/img/9.jpg
“The city council has just three dustbin lorries for a population of 8m - but lots of wheelbarrows. Council official Basil Lungwana says they are trying hard. He says the biggest challenge is to change people’s habits. Photos: Joseph Winter”
Posted by Charlie Prince on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 at 06:41 AM | #
My ancestors were abolitionists. They fought to free blacks from slavery. Today, I want to free my own people from slavery imposed by guys like Robert Lindsay who claim we have no right of self-determination—and I am about as popular as early abolitionists were.
I strongly suspect guys like Robert Lindsay were either plantation owners or sadistic foremen on plantations back before abolition, and were equally insolent toward yeoman farmers and abolitionists who fought slavery then.
Where are the blacks fighting for my right for self-determination?
When will the Congressional Black Caucus fight for repeal of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and when will the American Jewish Congress fight for the repeal of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965? When will the Supreme Court rule that territorial secession of US citizens at will, for any reason whatsoever is a basic human right, the practicality of which must be ensured by any humane government?
They won’t.
They instead conduct sociobiological experiments on us without our consent and in so doing have gone beyond mere violation of medical ethics to waging war against us.
They have no rights.
Posted by James Bowery on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 at 08:01 AM | #
It just occurred to me today that Lindsay:
1) claimed that panmixia, anti-racism, desegregation, colorblindness, etc., are inevitable.
2) claimed that segregation, homogeneity, segregation, ethnocentrism, etc., are anathema to whites.
If the “good” stuff is inevitable, and the bad anathema, then why do we need state force to promote the former and criminalize the latter?
Liberals’ actions belie their words.
Posted by Svigor on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 at 08:46 PM | #
Lindsay also believes that Communism is inevitable. Marx’s theory of history is belied by successful Communist revolutions around the world. The USA and Britain never developed strong indigenous communist parties. It was backward Russia, China, and Cuba that adopted Marxism.
Evolution will eliminate Lindsay’s brand of “progressivism.” Throughout the West, “progressives” like Lindsay are sterile. They are more likely to have pets than children. These aging radicals will be gone a few decades from now. Deteriorating economic conditions and rising ethnocentrism amongst surging racial minorities will finish off the rest of their appeal.
Posted by Prozium on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 at 09:50 PM | #
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