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Book review of “Breeding between the Lines” by Alon ZivThis is a book review of “Breeding between the lines: Why interracial people are healthier and more attractive,” by Alon Ziv, 184 pp., Barricade Books, 2006, ISBN: 1569803064. My preliminary impression that the book most likely doesn’t have decent data in it is confirmed. The book is written for a lay readership, and with the main text occupying about 160 pages, it can be read within a few hours. Sloppy work: errors and omissionsAlon Ziv appears to have been working on the main idea of the book for a couple of years, but his book is full of sloppiness and naïve arguments, which is curious given the apparent time he has spent perusing the literature and also that he appears to have an adequate background in the biological sciences. I will provide some illustrative examples. Ziv provides a primer on evolution that includes statements such as:
Well, asexual people die out every generation, but nothing seems to prevent some from being born every generation. For instance, in a national probability British sample of over 18,000 people, roughly 1% of people assessed reported that they were asexual, i.e., had no sexual interest in either men or women[1]. Similarly, whereas most people abhor incest, let alone indulge in it, some people continue to harbor incestuous fantasies and engage in incestuous sex[2-4]. There are numerous examples of evolutionary maladaptive characteristics that persist in small numbers in the population, but Ziv ignores this. Ziv argues that our bodies are designed to have bilateral symmetry, i.e., we are designed to be perfectly symmetrical. This is incorrect. There is both a random and a non-random component to bilateral asymmetry, and it is the random component that is not part of biological design. The magnitude and direction (left or right side greater) of the random component fluctuates between individuals and hence this component is designated as fluctuating asymmetry. Throughout the book, whenever Ziv cites the literature on symmetry and especially when he extols the virtue of greater bilateral symmetry as in corresponding to better health and greater attractiveness, he is actually referring to the literature on fluctuating asymmetry, and the correct statement is that a lower level of fluctuating asymmetry, rather than greater symmetry, is correlated with somewhat better health and greater attractiveness. For instance, fluctuating asymmetry rather than directional asymmetry is a correlate of attractiveness of faces[5]. Ziv claims that heterozygosity for sickle cell anemia makes the carrier resistant to malaria, but this is not true; what happens is that the severity of malarial infection is reduced in these individuals, which increases the probability of survival should an infection occur. Ziv acknowledges that races exist, but then cites pathetic sources to support this assertion: the approval of the drug BiDil for blacks by the FDA and a comment on Cavalli-Sforza’s book by Steve Sailer! No serious scientist, aware of the nature of race denial, would cite such poor sources. One needs to cite molecular[6-8] and skeletal evidence[9, 10] in conjunction with standard phylogeographic criteria for race assignment in order to make the case for races among humans. Ziv even says that “since race is really a continuum, there is no ideal way to define or document it.” Well, there is clinal variation with respect to individual characteristics, even a group of neutral DNA markers, and a race denial argument specifically denies racial reality because of human clinal variation[11], but race is characterized by a cluster of variables, and the existence of racial clusters has been shown in spite of clinal variation of DNA markers[6]. Ziv reports that in spite of changing fashions, the optimal waist-to-hip ratio of 0.7 in women, according to the research of D. Singh, has not changed; it has remained in the 0.68-0.72 range for Miss Americas and Playboy centerfolds. Well, waist-to-hip ratio in Miss Americas and Playboy centerfolds has increased from the mid- to late-20th century[12]; these women have become more masculine. During the early years of Playboy, waist-to-hip ratios were less than 0.7, on average. Additionally, there is nothing universal about the 0.7 figure: men in some black[13] and Native American[14, 15] populations prefer women with higher front-on waist-to-hip ratios than white men. Ziv claims that more lopsided individuals (less symmetrical) are more likely to respond aggressively when provoked, but it is not difficult to come up with some papers where more symmetrical people turned out to be more physically aggressive[16, 17]. The latter is merely one example of Ziv omitting the literature that does not support his case. Ziv is so sold onto the notion of hybrid vigor that he tries to see some in even ill-fated interspecies crosses. For instance, Ziv writes that a mule (horse mother, donkey father) may display some hybrid vigor because it has more stamina and more load-carrying capacity than horses! Hybrid vigor is inferred when the offspring are overall better than their parents, but mules are sterile. Ziv also cites the example of attempts to breed sheep and goats, which are typically unsuccessful, but he describes an example of a success that may have displayed some hybrid vigor as it grew faster than regular sheep or goat offspring, and was so oversexed that it frequently attempted to mount both sheep and goats. The poor animal had to be castrated to reign in his amorous pursuits, but faster growth and the oversexed nature could easily be a manifestation of abnormal development rather than hybrid vigor. Ziv mentions inbreeding depression and hybrid vigor but fails to mention outbreeding depression. For the uninitiated, depression here refers to the offspring being overall worse than the parents and vigor refers to the offspring being overall better than the parents. There are plenty of examples of race mixing leading to outbreeding depression in various species[18-31]. Several claims in the book are not cited. For instance, Ziv reports a study where underweight newborn babies were more likely to be homozygous (less genetically diverse), but does not cite the reference. Given the small size of the book, it would not have hurt Ziv to add twenty additional pages of references. Ziv reports that studies show that whites are the least likely to accept intermarriage, which is far from true. Jews, Muslims, Hindus and many other groups are easily much less accepting of intermarriage than whites are. Ben Tillman has previously brought to my attention that the oft-quoted 50% outmarriage rate for American Jews is an exaggeration, and it has been pointed out that even if this figure were taken at face value, it indicates a notable resistance to outmarriage among Jews given their small numbers in the U.S.; see this comment for details. Additionally, when Jews outmarry, most of the time it is with whites rather than with blacks or East Asians. Israel does not allow marriage between Jews and non-Jews, just as Muslims are forbidden to marry non-Muslims. On a related note, Ziv cites anti-miscegenation laws in some U.S. states decades ago, but fails to mention, let alone condemn Israel’s existing laws prohibiting marriage between Jews and non-Jews. In multiracial societies with a significant white presence, whites tend to disproportionately occupy the upper classes, and whereas the appreciation of the physical appearance of a number of populations is mostly limited to within the respective populations, white looks are appreciated by a substantial number of people in most populations. In other words, being white is disproportionately associated with higher status. Therefore, one observes that among non-white groups that generally oppose intermarriage, when they accept intermarriage, it is usually if the spouse is white or a higher status race, but they display marked animosity if the spouse is an other-race non-white of lower racial status. On the other hand, when whites intermarry, they almost always marry someone coming from a lower-status race. Non-blacks generally perceive blacks to be the lowest status race in terms of both looks and socioeconomic status, i.e., the willingness of a large number of blacks to outmarry should not be surprising, and it is obvious that one cannot argue for a naturally high willingness to outmarry among blacks given that there are not a whole lot of non-black races of lower socioeconomic and looks status than blacks. When black women object to black men marrying non-blacks, it is has less to do with objection to outmarriage per se than with the fact that so many black men are in prison or jobless/criminal that their already-low partner prospects are reduced by outmarrying black men. In short, Ziv is grossly mistaken about whites being the least likely to accept intermarriage. Other problems with Ziv’s book should be seen in light of his main thesis. Main thesisZiv’s main thesis is simple. He argues that more symmetrical people are more attractive, healthier and more heterozygous (more genetically diverse). He then points out that since race mixing increases heterozygosity, it leads to more attractive and healthier people. Let us examine this argument. Hybrid vigor Ziv addresses an example of hybrid vigor involving mixing some races of corn, and notes that “the disadvantage of hybridization is that you have to re-create the hybrid seed every generation.” Why doesn’t Ziv elaborate on this? Here is why. Let there be a gene that exists in two versions, A and a; each individual has two copies of this gene. Therefore, an individual could be AA, aa or Aa. Let the beneficial genotype be Aa. If one crosses AA with aa, all first generation hybrids will be Aa. If the first generation hybrids breed among themselves at random, the ratio AA:Aa:aa = 1:2:1, i.e., the desired genotype is present among only half the second generation hybrids. It is for this reason that corn farmers would maintain the original parental stocks and cross them to obtain hybrid vigor, but not allow the hybrids to reproduce among themselves. Obviously, among humans this is not applicable. The example considered here is a single-gene case, but if hybrid vigor is applicable to interracial breeding among humans with respect to multiple genes, then it should be clear that it will be drastically reduced among second and subsequent generation hybrids. Ziv offers the following examples of hybrid vigor among humans.
Ziv provides supportive evidence by citing examples of hybrid vigor resulting from crossing inbred strains of animals such as mice, and also cites studies from Swiss[33] and Polish[34] villages where children born of parents from different villages were taller, heavier and larger-chested compared to children born of parents from the same village, though the Swiss study actually compared the Swiss sample with their relatives that had outmarried in California. The Swiss and polish studies are not about hybrid vigor, but Ziv extrapolates from these studies that the outcome of race mixing will be even better, assuming that the higher the heterozygosity, the better it is, apparently because more diverse genes mean more diverse gene products, which should cover an individual over a broader range of the environment. The latter reasoning appears sound, but then why is outbreeding depression observed in a number of cases? Has Ziv never heard of co-adapted gene complexes, which are disrupted by hybridization? Has Ziv never heard of the concept of genetic architecture in cardiovascular disease, whereby it is not always an allele (one of several versions of a gene) per se that is associated with disease, but the allele in a given environmental and genetic background[35-37]? For instance, a haplotype that slightly increases the odds of a heart attack among American whites is found in smaller numbers among American blacks, who have gotten it from whites, but it confers a 3-fold larger risk in black Americans[38]. Similarly, an allele that confers protection against diabetes among whites does no such thing among south Asians[39]. The paper on the Khasi, which Ziv has presumably read given that he cited it, mentions an Israeli study that attempted to infer the effect of intermarriage, between Jewish groups that had immigrated to Israel from different parts of the world, on the longitudinal growth of children. Five mixed groups were analyzed: two of these were similar to a parental group, one showed some evidence for enhanced growth, and two groups showed some detrimental effects of mixing[40]. I suspect that the null and detrimental finds in this study prompted Ziv to not cite it. It should be noted that rats and mice are commonly used lab animals, and it is necessary that the differences among the experimental and control groups be attributed to the experimental protocol rather than genetic variation between the groups. Therefore, rats/mice used in a typical experiment come from a highly inbred line, and it should not be surprising that crossing two highly inbred and closely related races results in reduced overall fluctuating asymmetry, but human races, especially those existing in large numbers, are nowhere as inbred as lab rats/mice are. In a study were wild mice were made to inbreed, the overall fluctuating asymmetry of the inbred mice was not greater than that of the outbred group, even though these two groups had different fitness under seminatural conditions[41], but Ziv has not mentioned this study at all. This study is merely one of several that have shown fluctuating asymmetry to be a poor indicator of developmental stability. Some studies have shown little to no relationship between fluctuating asymmetry and heterozygoisty[42-44], whereas some have even shown fluctuating asymmetry to increase beyond a certain level of heterozygosity[45, 46], i.e., outbreeding depression. In a meta-analysis of 118 datasets published in 41 studies[47], the effect size correlation between fluctuating asymmetry and heterozygoisty was r = -0.09 (SE=0.03), a low effect size correlation, but the interesting data is in the following figure, namely a non-significant trend toward a weak positive effect size correlation in endotherms (animals that maintain a constant internal body temperature), i.e., a non-significant trend for greater heterozygosity in endotherms to correspond to somewhat less symmetrical individuals. To interpret effect size correlation (ES): small ES (less than 0.15), medium/moderate ES (0.15 < ES < 0.33), large ES (greater than 0.33).
In this meta-analysis, heterozygoisty accounted for one percent of the variation in developmental stability assessed via how symmetrical the individuals were, and even for ectotherms the variance accounted for was only 2% (r=−0.23 ± 0.09)[47]. If Ziv did proper research, he could not possibly have missed this meta-analysis, but he apparently does not cite this because he wants to convey that more heterozygosity equals better symmetry, which translates to more attractiveness and better health, all of which mean that miscegenation for the purposes of increasing heterozygoisty can only be positive with respect to physical and mental development. Mating preferences Ziv notes that evolution should shape people to breed in ways that are the most beneficial, yet laments that people generally tend to breed within their races, which is apparently not the best strategy as far as the benefits of heterozygoisty go: more attractive and healthier people. One of the reasons for people mostly seeking partners within their race is that people seek partners in accordance with an internal blueprint, but the good news for Ziv is that this internal blue print can be altered with sufficient exposure to people of other races. He cites the example of snow geese: the white ones breed with whites and the blue ones breed with other blue geese. However, when white geese are raised by blue geese, they prefer blue geese and blue geese raised by white geese prefer white geese. Snow geese of any variety show no preference for white or blue geese if they are exposed to both since birth. Therefore, Ziv extrapolates that humans exposed to multiple races since birth, which will be a reality with mass immigration of multiple races into the West, will not show a specific preference for their own race. This is another non sequitur. More complex human brains are not as susceptible to imprinting as bid brains are. In multiracial societies, non-whites tend to have a preference for facial features closer to that of the white average, but it is uncommon for whites to prefer non-white facial features. Health Ziv offers no direct evidence for improved health among mixed-race individuals, and ignores evidence for an across-the-board increase in health problems among mixed-race individuals in a large, representative sample of U.S. adolescents[48]. I have previously addressed this study by J. Richard Udry; the most likely reason for the worsened health of the mixed-race individuals is increased odds of the disruption of the autonomic nervous system, resulting from race mixing. A study involving undergraduate students at San Francisco State University and the University of Hawaii at Hilo revealed that mixed-race individuals (basically white-Asian mixes) had worse health than whites or Asians[49]; read the paper. A newer study that assessed substance use and violent behaviors among 2,082 students in Seattle public middle schools has reported mixed-race individuals being worse on these counts, after controlling for differences in socioeconomic status[50]; read the paper. This study also assessed ethnic identity and perceived discrimination to evaluate the extent to which they were related to the problem behaviors. However, a positive ethnic identity was protective on some counts only, and was associated with an increased likelihood of the participants having ever threatened to beat someone up. Perceived discrimination was associated with increased likelihood of problem behaviors on some counts only, but it cannot be assumed that discriminatory experiences were responsible for the problem behaviors since problematic behaviors on the part of individuals would invite discrimination. Clinical samples have shown higher rates of mental and behavioral problems among mixed-race individuals[51, 52]. There have been few studies showing mixed-race individuals to be comparable to single-race individuals: a study from Hawaii reported no differences with respect to personality variables[53] and another study reported no differences with respect to quality of parent and adolescent relationship[54]. A few years before Udry[48] published the health data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health), Cooney and Radina[55] published some of this data, and reported multiracial individuals to be worse than uniracial individuals on less than half the school performance, behavioral and psychological dimensions assessed, but a more thorough analysis by Udry shows multiracial individuals to be worse on most measures, including health. Except for the Seattle middle schools study[50], which was likely published after Ziv submitted his final manuscript for publication, Ziv couldn’t possibly have failed to come across the others showing worse health among mixed-race individuals, but he pretends as if these studies don’t exist. India is a cesspool of race mixing, but East Indians have some of the highest if not the highest prevalence of cardiovascular disease, the metabolic syndrome, diabetes, insulin resistance, hyperinsulinemia, central obesity, dyslipidemias such as lower high-density lipoprotein or increased low density lipoprotein or higher triglyceride levels, increased thrombotic tendency as in increased plasminogen activator inhibitor-1 and decreased tissue plasminogen activator levels, and low birth weights[56-63], in addition to a weak musculo-skeletal build[64-67]. It is remarkable how often I have seen slenderly built south Asian males with a tendency to pack on excess body fat, especially in the abdominal region. The prevalence of cardiovascular disease among mixed-race groups such as south Asians, blacks and Hispanics in the U.S. is 2- to 3-fold higher compared to that among whites[68]. Whereas a number of the papers cited within this paragraph have been published in 2006, they are documenting data that have been well-known for years. Why has Ziv not cited such data? Athleticism/Sporting ability Ziv cites a study about more heterozygous oysters being better able to utilize oxygen under stress, and then notes that the implications for human athletics are staggering! Talk about non sequiturs! In a human study, overall body symmetry was unrelated to lung capacity and maximal oxygen utilization[69], i.e., the more symmetrical individuals, which Ziv would describe as more heterozygous, were not better off with respect to the physiological capacities addressed. Another study reported that elite athletes were not more symmetrical than sub-elite athletes[70]. Now, there are studies showing skilled athletes being more symmetrical than non-athletes (see review in Tomkinson et al.[70]), but the relationship is weak, and by not citing negative finds, Ziv is trying to convey that the relationship is so strong that interracial mating to increase heterozygosity is highly recommended. The only example of a mixed race great athlete that Ziv cites is Tiger Woods, but if I recall correctly, then Tiger Woods had severe myopia, which had to be surgically corrected. If my recollection is correct, then without modern technology, if Tiger Woods had to live as a hunter-gatherer, he would quickly become prey, and he would also be a pretty useless fighter. In the 1970s, there were several American blacks playing the PGA tour, but in spite of an increase in the popularity of golf and the greater participation of American blacks, currently, Tiger Woods is the only part-black person playing the PGA tour; see more. There have been some great mixed-race athletes, e.g., Jim Thorpe and Daley Thompson, but the Decathlon is mostly dominated by whites, just as most Olympic sports are. In addressing race, Ziv addresses whether some races are better at some things than others, and says that this is an issue that he doesn’t want to focus on, but he points the interested reader to Jon Entine’s book, “Taboo: Why black athletes dominate sports and why we are afraid to talk about it.” This book alleges the racial athletic superiority of blacks, but Entine is as clueless as Steve Sailer on this topic. Blacks only dominate a few sports. West African blacks do not dominate sports such as weightlifting, powerlifting, martial arts, strong man competitions or freestyle fighting, where their alleged superior speed and strength should give them an advantage. Presently, all four heavyweight boxing titles are held by whites. Castefootball.us also features plenty of evidence about anti-white discrimination in American team sports such as football and basketball, showing that the heavy black overrepresentation in these sports is not entirely merit-based. All-white teams from Europe have been learning the game of basketball, and in recent years have defeated all-black teams from the U.S. on several occasions. Things are bound to get more interesting. When it comes to thousands of years of race mixing between multiple races, it would be hard to beat India, yet East Indians are undoubtedly among the worst if not the worst athletes in the world. Attractiveness In a meta-analysis of correlates of facial beauty by Gillian Rhodes[71], the effect size correlations (ES) were: average facial features (0.52 ± 0.41; 95% CI = 0.42-0.61; weighted ES = 0.54), symmetry (0.25 ± 0.34; 95% CI = 0.16-0.33; weighted ES = 0.23) and femininity (0.64 ± 0.39; 95% CI = 0.51-0.74; weighted ES = 0.61). The data are reported as effect size correlation (ES) ± standard deviation; the interval that one would be 95% confident the actual ES lies in the general population; ES weighted by the number of faces examined. Ziv’s argument that mixed-race individuals are more attractive is based on the assumption that greater heterozygosity equals more symmetry, which equals greater attractiveness, but there are at least two much more powerful correlates of facial beauty that Ziv ignores. The only study that Ziv cites in favor of mixed-race individuals being more symmetrical is Jay Phelan’s study, which remains unpublished four years after its completion. We have already seen that the relationship between heterozygoisty and symmetry (thereby developmental stability) is very weak. What about average facial features? As I mentioned previously, Ziv should read about craniofacial morphology in mixed-race individuals, white-Native American mixes to be more precise, and note that canonical variates analysis revealed a canonical root, explaining 36% of the variance, that made the mestizos deviate from shape variables in between whites and Native Americans[72]. 52% of the 52 shape variables deviated from the mathematical average shape of the parent races, and here is the money shot[72]:
The developmental patterns talked about above are mathematical averaging based upon the expectation from quantitative genetics, i.e., additive genetic variation, and morphological integration of different parts of the skull, whereby different parts of the skull effectively behave like a single unit, i.e., a change in one part corresponds to changes in other associated parts. Note the term “interesting;” this term is an euphemism for some loss of morphological integration in the skull resulting from race mixing, i.e., some solid evidence that yes indeed, races exist among humans, and also that humans races—at least the two considered and by extrapolating from genetic distances and skull shape comparisons, any combination of races—are sufficiently distant so as to result in disruptions of co-adapted gene complexes and subsequent increased odds of anomalous outcomes in mixed offspring, which is confirmed by the health data addressed above. Morphological integration is an important concept. Whereas one may not appreciate the facial features of another race, one will be able to pick out the better looking among another race, and these better looking people will have some kind of harmony between various parts of their face, but this harmony is more likely to be lost as a result of race mixing compared to same-race breeding. For instance, I previously commented on the malformed appearance of the deranged model Heidi Klum’s mulatto baby.
Some would point out that neonates are not exactly cute, but Henry Guenther Ademola Dashtu Samuel, the son of Heidi Klum and Seal, clearly looks like something is wrong with him. The malformed mulatto neonate has grown into a retarded-looking malformed toddler; contrast his features with the beauty of the white child Heidi Klum had previously. I have seen black babies that are a lot better looking.
Actual shape variables are important, too. From the perspective of whites, non-white admixture can only diminish the attractiveness of the descendents of whites: make noses broader, make the middle portion of the face flatter (absorption of East Asians, Native Americans, Eskimo-Siberians, khoi-San people, some central African populations), make faces broader (absorption of East Asians, most black African populations, Native Americans, Eskimo-Siberians), make jaws more protruding (especially if blacks, Melanesians and Australian aborigines are involved), make faces larger (absorption of most non-white populations), decrease height (absorption of many non-white populations, especially for northern Europeans), make limbs smaller relative to height (absorption of East Asians, Eskimo-Siberians, Native Americans), increase the frequency of hooked noses (absorption of Middle Eastern populations such as Jews), weaken musculo-skeletal build (absorption of non-whites in general except West Africans and Polynesians), etc. In addition, non-whites possess more primitive facial features, and some of them disproportionately persist when they mate with whites. For instance, a study from Hawaii reported the persistence of the broad face/massive cheekbones of East Asians among Asian-white hybrids[73]. In addition, flared nostrils, broader noses and more protruding jaws also tend to persist. What about femininity? No citations are needed for the less feminine physiques of East Asian and physically similar women. Black women, in spite of their larger breasts and more protrusive buttocks, are unable to look as feminine as white women as a result of their greater muscularity, higher front-on waist-to-hip ratios and facial features. White women look more feminine, and I would refer the reader to a previous, currently active, thread on Nordic beauty, where I have put up numerous comparisons; I still have to respond to several comments there, and my replies will feature more comparisons, but posting this review first is more important. Rhodes’ meta-analysis makes it clear that femininity is a much more powerful correlate of beauty in women compared to symmetry, yet Ziv ignores femininity. I expected to see Ziv cite Gillian Rhodes’ study about the greater rated attractiveness and perceived health of Asian-white hybrids[74], but Ziv hasn’t cited it, and it may have come out too late for Ziv to cite it. I have previously critiqued this study. In short, the whites in this study were unattractive, and the assumption of the authors that race mixing will average the facial features of the parents is not true[72]. Intelligence Ziv cites a study from Hawaii where white-Japanese hybrid children outperformed white or Japanese children on 13 of 15 cognitive tests (e.g., 0.30 S.D. on a version of the Raven’s progressive matrices and 0.22 S.D. on the PMA Vocabulary Test), in spite of no significant socioeconomic differences between the groups[75]. The confound here is assortative mating for IQ, i.e., it cannot be assumed that the whites and Japanese that bred together came from a random sample of their respective racial groups. Udry studied a large, random population of U.S. adolescents, but as the following table from his paper shows[48], the GPA (grade point average) and verbal IQ of the mixed-race individuals were in between those of the individuals belonging to their parental racial groups, i.e., no hybrid vigor was observed.
One possible example of hybrid vigor with respect to IQ, from the perspective of black Africans, suggested by Arthur Jensen, is that American blacks have an IQ of 85, 15 points or 1 S.D. higher than that of their black African counterparts, even though white admixture among them averages 10-20%. However, if we assume that the black African average IQ would be a few points higher if malnutrition/undernutrition were eliminated, then given that there is a positive correlation between health and IQ, it is reasonable to suppose that Africans bound for slavery in the U.S. were among the healthier ones, and given the harsh conditions of transport, healthier still individuals made it to the U.S. Therefore, the IQ potential of the arrivals could be around 80, and white admixture may only have raised IQ by 5 points or so instead of 15 points, which would not necessitate positing hybrid vigor from the perspective of black Africans, but the validity of this proposal is unclear, and in any case, at present, the 85 IQ of American blacks is not proof of hybrid vigor from the perspective of black Africans. Ziv cites a paper by Mingroni[76], which proposes heterosis as possibly partially accounting for the Lynn-Flynn effect, i.e., the secular worldwide rise in IQ scores documented in the 20th century. Mingroni’s argument is reasonable. Throughout the period of this secular trend, the heritability of IQ has remained very high, which is not easy to account for if one assumes that environmental factors are involved, and Mingroni cites papers that have critiqued the implausibility of a model proposed by Dickens and Flynn that has argued for a large effect of the environment on IQ. However, the heterosis proposed by Mingroni postulates increased mixing of people from neighboring villages, which is not hybridization (mixing of different breeds), and it does not follow, as Ziv assumes, that the greater the outbreeding, the better it will be. In addition, data from Spain show that the bulk of the Lynn-Flynn effect over a 30-year period was accounted for by gains mostly in the lower half of the bell curve, with very little change in the 99th percentile and spectacular gains in the first percentile[77]; see the gain in raw scores. Therefore, improved nutrition is certainly accounting for a good deal of the Lynn-Flynn effect. Mingroni also cites secular increases in high-heritability factors such as height, head circumference, myopia, autism, asthma and possibly ADHD. If greater outbreeding, though still mostly within racial groups, is partly responsible for the Lynn-Flynn effect and also increases in abnormalities such as myopia and asthma, then general heterosis is not implicated. The three highest IQ groups are: U.S./U.K. Ashkenazim diaspora (IQ = 110[78, 79]), northeast Asians (IQ = 105) and northern Europeans (IQ = 100). Northeast Asians and northern Europeans have very little other-race admixture. Jews are more heterogeneous, but the most plausible explanation for the Ashkenazim IQ advantage is that under selection pressures for higher IQ, a high level of inbreeding among them accumulated several deleterious alleles that have the side effect of increasing IQ[80]. Therefore, the brightest groups certainly didn’t get that way by large-scale outbreeding. In addition, notwithstanding the northeast Asian IQ advantage over northern Europeans, especially with respect to math ability, whites are heavily overrepresented, in spite of their smaller numbers, among Nobel Prize winners, Field Medalists, annual international ACM software coding college competitions and the most brilliant inventors/innovators. Therefore average IQ is only part of the story, and there is no reason to believe that a white-northeast Asian hybrid population will produce as many intellectually outstanding people per capita as present-day northern Europeans do. Ziv hilariously writes, “Once true interracial marriage becomes commonplace, I think we will see an even bigger boost in the physical and mental development of future generations.” Really? If the U.S./U.K. Ashkenazim diaspora, northeast Asians and northern Europeans were to mass-absorb the likes of Bushmen (IQ = 54), Australian aborigines (IQ = 62), black Africans in general (IQ = 67) or south Asians (IQ = 82) (see Lynn[81]), would one expect a boost in mental development from the perspective of the high IQ groups? Another useful consideration is as follows. Assume that there are no deleterious effects of race mixing. From a strictly IQ perspective, if a white man with an IQ of 100 had to choose between a white woman and a Bangladeshi woman, both with an IQ of 130, which would be the better choice? If additive genetics accounted for all the variation in IQ between individuals, one would expect the offspring of the union in consideration to have an IQ around 115, but about 40% of the IQ variation between individuals is accounted for by additive genetics, i.e., the white man can expect an IQ boost that is 40% of 15 points, i.e., 6 points. Therefore, the offspring will have a range of IQ centering around 106. Now, given white and Bangladeshi average IQs of 100 and low 80s, respectively, a 130-IQ Bangladeshi is much more of an outlier for her race than a 130-IQ white is. In other words, the contribution of additive genetics from the Bangladeshi woman would result in a probable IQ of the hybrid offspring leaning toward the lower range of the distribution centering around 106 compared to the white woman. As noted above, deleterious alleles are implicated in the Ashkenazim IQ advantage[80], and it has been documented that people with very high IQs tend to have an above average incidence of myopia and atopic disorders (related to autonomic nervous system disruption) such as asthma and allergies[82]. Therefore, the odds that abnormal genetics/developmental events are implicated in the 130-IQ of the Bangladeshi woman are greater. In other words, the better choice is clearly the white woman. Hence, even if one assumes no harm resulting from race mixing, from a strictly IQ perspective, a white person is better off breeding with a white than a member of the dark races with the same IQ as a prospective white partner. If deleterious alleles are mostly responsible for the Ashkenazim IQ advantage, then it is not worth it for whites to breed with the Ashkenazim. Additionally, northeast Asians are know to have lower verbal IQs than whites, and from an IQ perspective, no racial benefits from absorbing them are apparent given that notwithstanding their math advantage, when it comes to manifesting math prowess at the highest levels (e.g., work deserving of the Field Medal), northeast Asians, in spite of their much greater numbers, are far behind whites. Ziv makes a very weak case, and has undoubtedly omitted inconvenient data. Giving the process of manuscript submission to final publication about an year’s time, Ziv should easily have come across the citations in this review that were published/put online prior to mid-2005. The evidence that he has ignored makes the opposite case. None of the heavily mixed populations --mestizos/mulattos in south America, Middle Eastern/North African people, south Asians, southeast Asians or central Asians -- are known for great health, vigor, attractiveness or high intelligence. I will speculate on Ziv’s motives below, but the implications of his work should be briefly addressed. From the perspectives of kinship and ethnic genetic interests (EGI), both of which Ziv ignores, Ziv’s ideas are horrible; see comments by “On Holliday” here and a fuller discussion of EGI here. In the biological sciences, there is consensus that living organisms be preserved at the level of kinds, i.e. races and higher order levels of taxonomy, unless one is looking at a virus/microorganism that is deadly for humans. Only if conservation efforts are threatened by inbreeding depression will there be a recommendation to mix races or species (in plants) to preserve broad taxonomical groups, and Ziv’s message will normally be treated with contempt in a non-human context. The concept of ethnic genetic interests basically argues that one’s race is worth preserving because it is one’s own, not because there is any special value to it. However, it is also worthwhile to consider the value of things to determine what is and what isn’t worthy of preservation, and white physical appearance and the ability of northern Europeans to produce the highest number of intellectually outstanding people per capita in the absence of having accumulated deleterious alleles, like the Ashkenazim have, is of sufficient value to be at least preserved if not enhanced, and speaking of enhancement, this will come about by evolution within whites; absorbing non-whites will result in devolution. Ziv’s recommendations will be especially disastrous for whites from an aesthetics and intelligence standpoint if many white people are persuaded by his arguments. What has motivated Alon Ziv?Attempting to critique an argument by questioning the motives of the author is bad practice, and is specifically known as deconstruction, but I have provided plenty of criticism, and do not intend this section to be a form of criticism. Rather, given the destructive nature of Ziv’s thesis, it is of some interest to question what could have prompted a man with an apparently adequate background in the biological sciences, and one who appears to have spent years reading relevant studies, to present very selective evidence in favor of his arguments and ignore a large body of evidence making the opposite case. Ziv tells us that his book is not an instruction manual, i.e., he is not telling us to pick a spouse based on racial criteria. He also notes that he doesn’t need to instruct people to seek interracial unions because they are inevitable. He tells the reader to “get ready for a mixed race explosion.” He writes that “interracial marriage is the future, not because it should be, but simply because it is.” And, as to why it is going to be this way, it is because of continued immigration of people of various races into the U.S. as well as other Western nations, and people’s altered mating preferences in accordance with the snow geese example. Well then, why write a book extolling the virtues of race mixing if it is going to happen on a large scale no matter what Ziv or other people say? The answer is surely not that Ziv merely decided to document what is going to happen in the future, as should be obvious from the tone of the book and Ziv’s very selective citations. The answer is easy to figure out. Ziv laments that although Gary, Indiana (U.S.A.) has 430,000 whites and 120,000 blacks, blacks and whites are highly segregated in this city; he even calls this depressing! It appears that race mixing in the U.S. is not occurring on a scale that would please Ziv, and he has decided to help accelerate it. Ziv writes, “For the modern world, it would be far better to seek out the most genetically distinct mate possible.” He tells us that “the higher one’s heterozygosity is, the better it is,” and then tells us that the combination that would yield the highest heterozygosity would be the combination of a black African with a non-African, a Bantu-Eskimo mating yielding the highest heterozygosity of all interracial matings, according to the research of Cavalli-Sforza. Ziv is quick to add that he is not advocating a race of Bantu-Eskimo supermen, but greater heterozygoisty has its benefits. One factor that could have motivated Ziv to write this book is that he genuinely subscribes to his thesis and is so enthusiastic about the virtues of race mixing that he has skipped evidence to the contrary, believing that the weight of the evidence in the long run will eventually vindicate him. Another possibility is that Ziv is motivated by malice, a feeling that I cannot shake off. It would be interesting to learn about the racial background(s) of the women that Ziv has dated and who he ultimately has children with; if she turns out to be non-Jewish and non-white, I can see myself giving Ziv the benefit of the doubt and believe that his book reflects his genuine conviction about the benefits of race mixing, but if this woman is Jewish or white, then my suspicion that Ziv is motivated by malice would be strengthened. Ziv lives in Los Angeles and should have no problems finding a willing black, Asian or Hispanic woman. However, if I had to bet, I would wager that Ziv would prefer a Nordic white for a breeding partner. Ziv doesn’t tell us about the kind of women he likes, but he describes his first love, a classmate, Leslie, in seventh grade. The only thing he tells us about her physical appearance is that she had honey blonde hair, and his description makes it obvious that he was enamored by her blondeness. Of course, if Ziv mated with Leslie, his offspring would not have honey blond hair anymore than if she mated with any non-white, but Ziv does not address this kind of loss resulting from race mixing. Citations
Posted by J Richards on Saturday, October 14, 2006 at 04:06 AM in Anthropology, Books, Ethnicity and Ethnic Genetic Interests, Genetics & Human Bio-Diversity, IQ and Heredity, Psychology, Race realism, That Question Again Comments:Posted by J Richards on October 14, 2006, 05:21 AM | # Request Please avoid anti-Semitic comments since I want Alon Ziv to respond. By the way, here is the last passage from Ziv’s book:
Posted by James Bowery on October 14, 2006, 05:57 AM | # It is no more inevitable that preservation of ancient lineages will occur than it is inevitable that universal anti-racist supremacy will continue to violate the most fundamental of all human rights: Freedom of association. It is easy to see why freedom of association is the most fundamental of all human rights: All other conceptions of human rights can be realized by the simple expedient of those subscribing to those conceptions forming societies that enforce them on others of like mind, excluding others. Essentially, Ziv is an apologist for the current supremacist religious belief system pervading the west and some of the east. Posted by Alon Ziv on October 14, 2006, 09:19 AM | # Hello J Richards, I received an anonymous email (possibly from you) letting me know that this review was here. I appreciate you cautioning your friends against anti-Semitic comments, though the fact that such a warning is necessary speaks volumes about this forum. I also appreciate you reading Breeding Between the Lines. Though I disagree with almost every point in your review, it’s clear that you did read the book. Since you are a member of a website that advocates the preservation of a single race I’m not surprised that you don’t agree with my thesis. I hope you read the book with an open mind. I wonder if I could have written anything that would convince you. Is there any amount of evidence that would have changed your mind? Your review was long, (and yet you forgot to mention how readable and interesting the book is) but I will address a few things. Your points seem to fall into a few categories and I’ll give an example of each: 1. Nitpicking. You said a lot of things that while technically true don’t really affect my argument. Example: I refer to the advantages of highly symmetrical individuals and you point out that the literature on this topic is that of “fluctuating asymmetry.” You are completely correct, but so what? As you mentioned, my book is for lay readership. If I wrote that some people have “a lower level of fluctuating asymmetry” the meaning would be the same except that my book would be boring and harder to understand. 2. Misrepresentation. Your research and writing make it clear that you are a smart guy who’s interested in facts, but in several places you blatantly distort what I wrote. Example: The discussion on mules. I use the mule as a *counter* example for hybrid vigor. I do point out that mules have great stamina, but the only reason I mention them is to show that their sterility is a dealbreaker. That’s a fundamental flaw so they clearly don’t have hybrid vigor. Of course, this is because horses and donkeys are two different species with a different number of chromosomes. Since the different human races are members of the same species they don’t have this genetic incompatibility. 3. Glossing over. You gloss over several studies that have inconvenient results for your argument. You don’t like the Gillian Rhodes study because they used computer generated faces to measure attractiveness. I agree that’s a flaw. Which is why I cited the UCLA study which used real multiracial and single-race participants and found that the multiracial group was significantly more symmetrical and more attractive. You dismiss this study because it hasn’t been published yet. I’m eager for it to be published as well. You may want to contact Dr. Phelan and encourage him to hurry up! However, I’ve read the study and it’s well-designed and executed. I’m familiar with the J. Richard Udry study, but don’t find it convincing. Is it meaningful that mixed-race adolescents are more likely to wake up tired? Plus, I find it funny that this study lists “ever had sex” in the category of health problems. In Breeding Between the Lines I draw the opposite conclusion! More symmetrical people (and thus interracial people) lose their virginity at a younger age because of their increased attractiveness. I see that as a sign of good health. And it may explain why they are waking up tired. In your review of the Udry study you wrote “all values in Table 2 that are clearly greater than 1.00 but not statistically significant can be considered as genuinely reflecting increased likelihood of health/behavior problems among mixed-race adolescents.” For generations the scientific community has promoted the standard of statistical significance, but you seem so willing to overlook it when it helps your argument. Also, many of the behaviors studied by Udry are heavily influenced by social factors which are extremely difficult to control for (e.g. smoking). This is why I focus on more biological factors in my book. I know of no better measure for overall genetic quality than symmetry. There is a large body of work showing the power of symmetry to predict health, attractiveness, fertility, and athleticism. The greater genetic diversity of interracial people gives them greater symmetry and all the good stuff that goes along with it. Finally you question my motivation for writing the book which is a little odd. Especially since I’ve been quite clear about this in the book and in interviews. I’ll reiterate. I wrote Breeding Between the Lines because (in no particular order):
1. The thesis is true.
Thanks again for reading the book. I hope others on this site will also read it and make up their own minds. Alon Ziv Posted by JJR Apologist on October 14, 2006, 09:58 AM | # Since you are a member of a website that advocates the preservation of a single race I’m not surprised[bolding added] that you don’t agree with my thesis. Why is Ziv *not* surprised? Because he understands miscegenation weakens/destroys existing ethnic groups and races through EGI decrease. Didn’t read any of that in the remainder of his response, so chalk the omission to duplicity. Posted by Guessedworker on October 14, 2006, 10:27 AM | # Alon Ziv: We are on the cusp of a mixed-race explosion Who is the “we” here, Alon. Are your people resident, say, in Israel about to explode into sexual relations with Falashas or, indeed, Bantus? No? Well, are you agitating for the repeal of anti-miscegenation laws in Israel so all those good things you write about can get established in Jewish populations? No? Then, how on earth can you possibly be acting in good faith towards us? You must know that your efforts to “talk about race in a real way” look just a tad like malice, as JR rather diplomatically puts it. And, indeed, an effort to impell Europeans a little further towards racial extinction would not be a nice trick to play, would it? So I think you should do us the honour of clarifying your position on this issue. Should Caucasian Jews in Israel and elsewhere, as a matter of principle, pursue greater “vigour” by going the Bantu route? Even if that “vigour” gravely damaged mean Jewish IQ, destroyed the whole basis of Jewishness as an inherited, not cultural, phenomenon and impoverished the Jewish people to black African levels? A nice direct answer, please. JJR Apologist: good spot. I missed that. Posted by Furius on October 14, 2006, 11:38 AM | # Considering that Israel is the only western nation that still has laws prohibiting race-mixing, one would have thought that Ziv would have devoted quite a bit of space to that in his book. I mean in the US and Europe, there are no legal barriers to race-mixing any more. But in Israel, there are LAWS against it. So if Ziv never broaches the subject, it appears he is another member of his tribe advancing the interests of his tribe against whites. And that should not come as a surprise to anyone. Ziv is a small fry. The Jewish owned MTV and much of the US media (mostly Jewish owned) promote that stuff constantly, and have been doing for a very long time. Ziv is therefore a boring character - a stereotypical Jewish nationalist (with some hatred for whites) masquaraeding as a a universalist humanitarian. Posted by Steve Edwards on October 14, 2006, 01:49 PM | # Good point, GW, and there can be no dissembling on Alon Ziv’s part. Either he answers your question directly in a single comment, or he simply doesn’t believe his own thesis, and we will naturally draw our own conclusions as to his motivations. So it’s either one or the other. One comment, maybe one or two paragraphs max should do it, Alon. That’ll be enough. It’s not like you’ll have to make any uncomfortable admissions to us, because we’ll all understand immediately. Posted by Andy on October 14, 2006, 01:59 PM | # I’m familiar with the J. Richard Udry study, but don’t find it convincing. Is it meaningful that mixed-race adolescents are more likely to wake up tired? Plus, I find it funny that this study lists “ever had sex” in the category of health problems. In Breeding Between the Lines I draw the opposite conclusion! More symmetrical people (and thus interracial people) lose their virginity at a younger age because of their increased attractiveness. I see that as a sign of good health. And it may explain why they are waking up tired. This is laughable. Blacks tend to lose their virginity earlier than whites and asians. Is this because they are more attractive? Or could it possibly be because of a higher sex drive and earlier onset of puberty? If this is emblematic of the sort of “logic” you display in your book, I feel sorry for anyone who spent 10 bucks to purchase your masterwork. I also appreciate you reading Breeding Between the Lines. Though I disagree with almost every point in your review, it’s clear that you did read the book. Since you are a member of a website that advocates the preservation of a single race I’m not surprised that you don’t agree with my thesis. I hope you read the book with an open mind. I wonder if I could have written anything that would convince you. Is there any amount of evidence that would have changed your mind? I hope you approached this book review with an open mind. As you are a member of a race that has long argued against the legitimacy of white genetic preservation, it is not surprising in the least that you wrote a book with the thesis of “Breeding Between the Lines”. I am also awaiting your reply to Guessedworker’s inquiry. Will your book tour take you to Tel Aviv? It would be a shame if it didn’t. I do believe you have stumbled onto a novel solution to Israeli-Palestinian conflict. They can interbreed their problems away! (and yet you forgot to mention how readable and interesting the book is)
LOL. Perhaps it’s not as interesting as you think it is.
I hope others on this site will also read it and make up their own minds. You are certainly not raising my opinion of your intellect with your responses to J Richard’s review. You have yet to even address the most significant criticism of your book: The argument by On Holliday (linked to by J Richards in the main entry), and echoed by Steve Sailer there is no additional hybrid vigor to be gained by marrying interracially. Posted by Guessedworker on October 14, 2006, 04:40 PM | # Well I hope I haven’t put Alon off too much with that little question, because I’ve been looking at Svi’s original thread where a whole host of unaddressed issues abound ... unaddressed by Alon that is. I’m going to spend a bit of time bringing those up again. But for now, here’s a couple of questions to both Alon and JR. Does Alon’s book mention EGI? If so, is any effort made to do it justice? Posted by Rnl on October 14, 2006, 06:08 PM | # [Alon Ziv] cites the tale of mutineers on the HMS Bounty (1789) settling on Pitcairn Island and mating with the local women. The half British-half Tahitian children, according to Ziv, grew up to be 2.5 inches taller than the British and the Tahitians. It is difficult to determine the reliability of this report. I doubt anyone would call the _modern_ Pitcairn Islanders an advertisement for miscegenation, and their culture is now severely dysfunctional, marked by rampant child abuse, among other social problems. But when the descendants of the mutineers were discovered by the British in 1814, their good looks and deportment were apparently impressive, so Alon Ziv is right, from his perspective, to cite Pitcairn Island as evidence for his thesis. The following is from Sir John Barrow’s _Eventful History of the Mutiny and Piratical Seizure of H.M.S. Bounty_ (1831): **** Presently they observed a few natives coming down a steep descent with their canoes on their shoulders; and in a few minutes perceived one of those little vessels darting through a heavy surf, and paddling off towards the ships; but their astonishment was extreme when, on coming alongside, they were hailed in the English language with ‘Won’t you heave us a rope now?’ The first young man that sprang, with extraordinary alacrity, up the side, and stood before them on the deck, said, in reply to the question, ‘Who are you?’--that his name was Thursday October Christian, son of the late Fletcher Christian, by an Otaheitan mother; that he was the first born on the island, and that he was so called because he was brought into the world on a Thursday in October. Singularly strange as all this was to Sir Thomas Staines and Captain Pipon, this youth soon satisfied them that he was no other than the person he represented himself to be, and that he was fully acquainted with the whole history of the _Bounty_; and, in short, that the island before them was the retreat of the mutineers of that ship. Young Christian was, at this time, about twenty-four years of age, a fine tall youth, full six feet high, with dark, almost black, hair, and a countenance open and extremely interesting. As he wore no clothes except a piece of cloth round his loins, and a straw hat, ornamented with black cocks’-feathers, his fine figure and well-shaped muscular limbs were displayed to great advantage, and attracted general admiration. His body was much tanned by exposure to the weather, and his countenance had a brownish cast, unmixed however with that tinge of red so common among the natives of the Pacific islands. ‘Added to a great share of good humour, we were glad to trace,’ says Captain Pipon, ‘in his benevolent countenance, all the features of an honest English face.’ He told them he was married to a woman much older than himself, one of those that accompanied his father from Otaheite [i.e. Tahiti]. The ingenuous manner in which he answered all questions put to him, and his whole deportment, created a lively interest among the officers of the ship, who, while they admired, could not but regard him with feelings of tenderness and compassion; his manner, too, of speaking English was exceedingly pleasing, and correct both in grammar and pronunciation. His companion was a fine handsome youth of seventeen or eighteen years of age, of the name of George Young, son of Young the midshipman. If the astonishment of the two captains was great on making, as they thought, this first and extraordinary discovery of a people who had been so long forgotten, and in hearing the offspring of these offenders speaking their language correctly, their surprise and interest were still more highly excited when, on Sir Thomas Staines taking the two youths below, and setting before them something to eat, they both rose up, and one of them, placing his hands together in a posture of devotion, pronounced, distinctly and with emphasis, in a pleasing tone of voice, the words, ‘For what we are going to receive the Lord make us truly thankful.’ The youths were themselves greatly surprised at the sight of so many novel objects--the size of the ship--of the guns, and everything around them. Observing a cow, they were at first somewhat alarmed, and expressed a doubt whether it was a huge goat or a horned hog, these being the only two species of quadrupeds they had ever seen. A little dog amused them much. ‘Oh! what a pretty little thing it is!’ exclaimed Young, ‘I know it is a dog, for I have heard of such an animal.’ These young men informed the two captains of many singular events that had taken place among the first settlers, but referred them for further particulars to an old man on shore, whose name, they said, was John Adams, the only surviving Englishman that came away in the _Bounty_, at which time he was called Alexander Smith. [...] Adams ... pretended that he had no great share in the mutiny: said that he was sick in bed when it broke out, and was afterwards compelled to take a musket in his hand; and expressed his readiness to go in one of the ships to England, and seemed rather desirous to do so. On this being made known to the members of the little society, a scene of considerable distress was witnessed; his daughter, a fine young woman, threw her arms about his neck, entreating him not to think of leaving them and all his little children to perish. All the women burst into tears, and the young men stood motionless and absorbed in grief; but on their being assured that he should, on no account, be molested, ‘it is impossible,’ says Captain Pipon, ‘to describe the universal joy that these poor people manifested, and the gratitude they expressed for the kindness and consideration shown to them.’ [...] This interesting little colony was now found to contain about forty-six persons, mostly grown-up young people, with a few infants. The young men all born on the island were finely formed, athletic and handsome--their countenances open and pleasing, indicating much benevolence and goodness of heart, but the young women particularly were objects of attraction, being tall, robust, and beautifully formed, their faces beaming with smiles, and indicating unruffled good humour; while their manners and demeanour exhibited a degree of modesty and bashfulness, that would have done honour to the most virtuous and enlightened people on earth. Their teeth are described as beautifully white, like the finest ivory, and perfectly regular, without a single exception; and all of them, both male and female, had the marked expression of English features, though not exactly the clear red and white, that distinguish English skins, theirs being the colour of what we call brunette. Captain Pipon thinks that from such a race of people, consisting of fine young men and handsome well-formed women, there may be expected to arise hereafter, in this little colony, a race of people possessing in a high degree the physical qualifications of great strength, united with symmetry of form and regularity of feature. But their personal qualifications, attractive as they were, excited less admiration than the account which Adams gave of their virtuous conduct. He assured his visitors that not one instance of debauchery or immoral conduct had occurred among these young people, since their settlement on the island; nor did he ever hear, or believe, that any one instance had occurred of a young woman having suffered indecent liberties to be taken with her. Their native modesty, assisted by the precepts of religion and morality, instilled into their young minds by John Adams, had hitherto preserved these interesting people from every kind of debauchery. The young women told Captain Pipon, with great simplicity, that they were not married, and that their father, as they called Adams, had told them it was right they should wait with patience till they had acquired sufficient property to bring up a young family, before they thought of marrying; and that they always followed his advice because they knew it to be good. [...] The younger part of the females are obliged to attend, with old Adams and their brothers, to the culture of the land, and Captain Pipon thinks this may be one reason why this old director of the work does not countenance too early marriages, for, as he very properly observed, when once they become mothers, they are less capable of hard labour, being obliged to attend to their children; and, judging from appearance, ‘one may conclude,’ says the Captain, ‘they would be prolific’; that ‘he did not see how it could be otherwise, considering the regularity of their lives, their simple and excellent though abstemious mode of living, their meals consisting chiefly of a vegetable diet, with now and then good pork and occasionally fish.’ The young girls, although they have only the example of the Otaheitan mothers to follow in their dress, are modestly clothed, having generally a piece of cloth of their own manufacture, reaching from the waist to the knees, and a mantle, or something of that nature, thrown loosely over the shoulders, and hanging sometimes as low as the ankles: this mantle, however, is frequently thrown aside, being used rather as a shelter for their bodies from the heat of the sun, or the severity of the weather, than for the sake of attaching any idea of modesty to the upper part of the person being uncovered; and it is not possible, he says, to behold finer forms than are exhibited by this partial exposure. Captain Pipon observes, ‘it was pleasing to see the good taste and quickness with which they form little shades or parasols of green leaves, to place over the head, or bonnets, to keep the sun from their eyes. A young girl made one of these in my presence, with such neatness and alacrity, as to satisfy me that a fashionable dressmaker of London would be delighted with the simplicity and elegant taste of these untaught females.’ The same young girl, he says, accompanied them to the boat, carrying on her shoulders, as a present, a large basket of yams, ‘over such roads and down such precipices, as were scarcely passable by any creatures except goats, and over which we could scarcely scramble with the help of our hands. Yet with this load on her shoulders, she skipped from rock to rock like a young roe.’ ‘But,’ says Captain Pipon, ‘what delighted us most, was the conviction which John Adams had impressed on the minds of these young people, of the propriety and necessity of returning thanks to the Almighty for the many blessings they enjoy. They never omit saying grace before and after meals, and never think of touching food without asking a blessing from Him who gave it. The Lord’s Prayer and the Creed they repeat morning and evening.’ [...] The men are stated to be from five feet eight inches to six feet high, of great muscular strength and excellent figures. ‘We did not see,’ says Captain Waldegrave, ‘one cripple or defective person, except one boy, whom, in the most good-humoured way, and laughing heartily, they brought to me, observing, “You ought to be brothers, you have each lost the right eye.” I acknowledged the connexion, and no doubt for the future he will be called the Captain.’ Captain Beechey [who visited the island in 1825] has given a more detailed account of the physical qualities of the Pitcairn Islanders. He says they are tall, robust, and healthy; their average height five feet ten inches; the tallest man measured six feet and one quarter of an inch, and the shortest of the adults five feet nine inches and one-eighth; their limbs well proportioned, round and straight; their feet turning a little inwards. A boy of eight years measured four feet and one inch; another of nine years, four feet three inches. Their simple food and early habits of exercise give them a muscular power and activity not often surpassed. It is recorded on the island that George Young and Edward Quintal have each carried, at one time, a kedge anchor, two sledge hammers, and an armourer’s anvil, weighing together upwards of six hundred pounds; and that Quintal once carried a boat twenty-eight feet in length. In the water they are almost as much at home as on land, and can remain almost a whole day in the sea. They frequently swim round their little island, the circuit of which is at the least seven miles; and the women are nearly as expert swimmers as the men. The female descendants of the Otaheite women are almost as muscular as the males, and taller than the generality of the sex. Polly Young, who is not the tallest on the island, measured five feet nine inches and a half. The features of both men and women are regular and well-formed; eyes bright and generally hazel, though in a few instances blue; the eyebrows thin and rarely meeting; the nose a little flattened, and being rather extended at the nostrils, partakes of the Otaheitan character, as do the lips, which are broad and strongly sulcated; their ears moderately large, and the lobes are invariably united with the cheek; they are generally perforated, when young, for the reception of flowers, a very common custom among the natives of the South Sea Islands; hair black, sometimes curling, sometimes straight; teeth regular and white. On the whole they are a well-looking people. [...] As a proof how very much simple diet and constant exercise tend to the healthful state of the body, the skin of these people, though in such robust health, compared with that of the Europeans, always felt cold, and their pulses always considerably lower. The doctor examined several of them: in the forenoon he found George Young’s only sixty; three others, in the afternoon, after dinner, were sixty-eight, seventy-two, and seventy-six, while those of the officers who stood the heat of the climate best were above eighty. Posted by Mark Richardson on October 14, 2006, 11:09 PM | # Hybrid vigour? There is a vast territory of the earth with mixed race populations (much of central Asia). Are these really the places noted for civilisational advance? Think Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan etc. Even in the animal kingdom attempts at interbreeding often fail to produce vigour. One example is the Indian zoo which tried to bolster the number of Asian lions by interbreeding them with African lions. The offspring are barely able to move to get to their food, being partly lame. See here Posted by Al Ross on October 14, 2006, 11:22 PM | # Maybe if Iceland added some Jew-recommended hybrid vigour it could get its per capita GDP down from 31900 dollars to much-miscegenated Brazil’s 5000 dollars. Posted by James Bowery on October 14, 2006, 11:40 PM | # Al, you realize that when you say the word “Jew” you realize, of course, that this automatically disqualifies your opinions unless of course, you are Jewish. Posted by Al Ross on October 14, 2006, 11:42 PM | # Unfortunate, but true, James. Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on October 15, 2006, 02:09 AM | #
The question in question is best asked rhetorically. The status quo allows Ziv to dissemble and score a rhetorical point free of charge. Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 15, 2006, 04:56 AM | # This book, which I certainly don’t plan on reading, is merely the lastest offensive in a long campaign of Jewish attacks on the collective Euro-Christian ethno-nationality using race as the weapon. Should I read it, given that time for reading (or for doing anything else) is limited and precious and I already know the strategy the book is intended to advance? I don’t think so. I’ll skip it. Jewish genocidal attacks on Euros, such as this book, have been mounted repeatedly for more than a century, the Jewish goal being to get Euros race-replaced. Jewish pursuit of that goal through the astonishingly brazen tactic of academic race-denial is no longer viable, the growth of genetic knowledge having turned race-denial (which Jews invented and disproportionately pushed) into a laughing stock. So this other tactic, this “Yes, OK, there are races ... and whites are far better off mixing with non-whites,” is now being trotted out, the underlying goal being transparently the same: not scientific truth but race-replacement of Euros. If this tactic fails the Jews will simply trot out another tactic, then another, and another — always aiming at the same goal, namely: (see above). Posted by J Richards on October 15, 2006, 05:01 AM | # Alon Ziv, I am glad you responded. Yes, I sent you an email about this review because it is only fair to let someone being critiqued have an opportunity to defend himself. My request to commentators regarding avoiding anti-Semitism does not speak volumes about this site like you have inferred, but since we allow unregistered individuals to leave anonymous comments, we risk attracting outrageous comments, that could very well be from an agent provocateur, and I don’t want to deal with such comments in an academic discussion. You could have convinced me about your thesis if you had decent data to back it up, discussed evidence to the contrary that I have pointed out and showed how counter-evidence does not undermine your thesis. You mention me nitpicking your arguments. Toward the beginning of my review, I do address miscellaneous points by you, but the major part of my review is concerned with your main thesis, which I have addressed extensively. I can understand you substituting symmetry for fluctuating symmetry given your targeted readership, but it is inexcusable for you to talk about perfect symmetry being the goal of design given well-documented examples of directional asymmetry and antisymmetry. You could have introduced the reader to fluctuating asymmetry and said that henceforth whenever I talk about greater symmetry, I am specifically referring to reduced fluctuating asymmetry. This way your book would not be littered with the phrase “fluctuating asymmetry.” I have not misrepresented your argument about mules. You have clearly stated that a mule may display some hybrid vigor, in the form of stamina and load-bearing capacity; I have not implied that you have argued that mules display hybrid vigor; my pointer is that if there are some pluses of hybridization and also some minuses, especially major ones such as infertility, then the phrase “some hybrid vigor” is not justified at all. I have not glossed over Gillian Rhodes’ study about the allegedly greater rated attractiveness of Eurasians. I have pointed out its serious shortcomings: the use of unattractive whites, which is self-evident from the composite images; the assumption of averaging facial features between Europeans and East Asians, which anecdotal experience should caution one against, which in turn is confirmed by Martinez-Abadias et al.’s (Ref. #72) paper on multiple deviations from the average of parental races in mixed offspring; and flawed methodology such as averaging faces after equalizing the distance between the eyes, which does not do justice to both shape and size differences between Europeans and East Asians. In addition, although Gillian Rhodes et al. did construct hypothetical Eurasian averages, their study was divided into a series of experiments, and one of these generated a Eurasian composite using actual Eurasian people. I have not dismissed Jay Phelan’s study, but have expressed surprise that four years after its completion it still remains unpublished, and I also find the striking differences in fluctuating asymmetry difficult to believe. When this study is published, I will review it at this site. Regarding the Udry study, there are several points that I would like to make. Whereas you may find it unconvincing, it is a given in scholarship that one is supposed to cite the literature that bears on the topic that one is addressing regardless of whether it supports one’s argument. If the literature in question does not support one’s viewpoint, then one needs to show how it does not undermine one’s thesis, but you make no mention of the study, and neither do you cite previously published relevant papers such as reference numbers 49, 51 and 52. The answer to your question, “Is it meaningful that mixed-race adolescents are more likely to wake up tired?” in reference to Udry’s paper is yes, this question is meaningful as far as health goes. Udry’s study assessed several other variables that directly pertain to health issues. This study was not specifically geared toward studying the health of mixed-race adolescents and collected a wide variety of data, including that on sexual experiences. There is nothing inappropriate about Udry reporting the data on sexual experiences. In fact, precocious sexuality is associated with problematic behaviors, and therefore the sexuality data is aptly reported. Regarding the issue of statistical significance in reference to my comment on Table 2 of Udry’ study, my comment is in agreement with what Udry wrote. Setting alpha at the 0.05 level is a common compromise to guard against both Type I and Type II errors, but sometimes one sees a non-significant trend that would be significant if the sample size were larger, and given the general picture in Udry’s data, and the random and representative sampling, if the listed odds ratio is much larger than 1.00 but not significant (e.g., from the table: 1.50, 1.57, 1.75), then the inference that this odds ratio would be significant in a larger sample is justified. Udry’s study is not just concerned about behaviors but also symptoms such as headaches and skin problems. Even behaviors such as smoking pertain to health issues not only in the sense of smoking causing health problems but a problematic physical constitution leading to a susceptibility to drug dependence in the first place. The proportion of people that smoke regularly are a fraction of the number of people that have ever smoked in their lifetime. Factors implicated in smoking dependence include genetic factors and developmental instability. If the odds of developmental instability are increased as a result of race mixing in humans, then the incidence of susceptibility to drug dependence will be higher among mixed race individuals. You mention that you know of no better measure for overall genetic quality than symmetry and that there is a large body of work showing the power of symmetry to predict health, attractiveness, fertility and athleticism. However, health, attractiveness, fertility and athleticism are influenced by a large number of variables, and the variance in each of these measures that is explained by fluctuating asymmetry alone will be very little, which is evident in the literature. In addition, as the meta-analysis by Vollestad et al. makes it clear, the relationship between fluctuating asymmetry and heterozygosity is very weak. In other words, if one assumes that there are no deleterious effects of race mixing, then given the very weak relationship between fluctuating asymmetry and heterozygosity and the very small to moderate effect size of fluctuating asymmetry with respect to health, attractiveness, fertility and athleticism, your argument that race mixing will improve health, attractiveness, fertility and athleticism is a very weak argument, and it is demolished when one considers the costs, namely documented evidence regarding deleterious biological effects, loss of kinship and ethnic genetic interests, etc. Regarding what motivated you to write this book, there are reasons to question your stated reasons given the tone of your book and your omission of a lot of literature that you have undoubtedly come across. The science in your book and in my review is easily within the grasp of a college senior majoring in biology, but your education is at a much higher level. Ignorance or incompetence on your part are almost guaranteed to be non-issues. And, your point about encouraging a dialog on race is irrelevant. If you are aware of the nature of race denial, then you should realize that your poor sources in support of biological races among humans do not help at all. More importantly, it is well-known that sub-populations of a race that have been geographically separated for some time will differ genetically, and that the mixing of these sub-populations will increase heterozygoisty, as shown by Mingroni (Ref. # 76) in his example of allele frequencies taken from various Yanomamo villages, which you have probably read given that you cited his paper. In other words, your argument simply requires that human populations differ in allele frequencies, which they do, but not that humans be divided into races. Geographically separated populations need not constitute separate races in order to achieve increased heterozygoisty among offspring born to parents from different geographical regions. Therefore, how will your argument encourage a dialog on race? Posted by J Richards on October 15, 2006, 05:10 AM | # Fred Scrooby, Damn! There is no need to criticize Jews in general in this thread. Avoid it here please; I want Ziv to respond. Besides, Ziv is right that his book is very readable and has a lot of interesting information; it wouldn’t hurt to read it. ----------------- Guessedworker, Ziv does not address EGI, and I have pointed this out in my review. Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 15, 2006, 06:01 AM | # Sorry, I’m supposed to read a “book” that has stuff in it like this?:
In other words, since a blade of grass and a giant sequoia are on a continuum there is no such category as “trees”? For all anyone knows, a tree might be a blade of grass? (… and a Negro might be a white man, as well as a Chinaman an Australian Aborigine? ...) I respect you, JR, but you’ve got to be fricking joking. Read this? This “book”? Gee, thanks but ... uhhh ... no thanks ... That single quote from this “book” by itself identifies the whole shebang as one-hundred-percent pure charlatanism, no different from Gould’s race-denial-by-means-of-the-most-idiotic-sophistries. Posted by Al Ross on October 15, 2006, 06:07 AM | # Fred, surely you know that for scientists like Alon Ziv there is only one race - the human race. Posted by Nick Tamiroff on October 15, 2006, 07:29 AM | # Damn Fred-You are getting more on-point,and vocal-glad to see it-I usually feel lonely.Not too many US posters,but yours are the most followed by me,although Al Ross and JB pique my interest most times-Soren,Matra,Boris,and others are well informed,but from a European perspective.Bottom line-Great comment! As an aside,I agree with J Richards-too damn much Jew bashing-leave that to VNN.NO-I’m not a Jew,married to one,nor have relatives who are Jewish.I still consider them our pit-bulls in the Mid-East.Our money is better spent on arms for the IDF than AIDS care in Africa. Semper Fi! Posted by Nick Tamiroff on October 15, 2006, 08:01 AM | # J.Richards-As an established member of “the great unwashed”,I truly wish to commend you on your review of the Ziv manifesto-I actually fell off my chair reading your refutations of some of his most elegant and elitist {not to mention ignorant]Pontifications.Just what sort of bubble-world do people like this live-or did he inherit $50 Mill from his senile father?I just got the book,and am trying to read it ,without gagging every third page.I think I wasted my money-back to porn! Posted by Furius on October 15, 2006, 08:24 AM | # Maybe if Iceland added some Jew-recommended hybrid vigour it could get its per capita GDP down from 31900 dollars to much-miscegenated Brazil’s 5000 dollars. That’s another example of why this book is a pile of rubbish. While money is not an issue, buying a book like this would amount to patronising such garbage, which I have no intention of doing. Posted by Furius on October 15, 2006, 08:38 AM | # We are on the cusp of a mixed-race explosion A comment like that shows that Ziv is either an ignoramus or a deliberate and bald faced lier - in the Franz Boas tradition. There are large swaths of the earth that are populated by mixed race populations (most of Latin America, huge chunks of Asia and the Middle East). No “explosion” here (North America and Europe) would change what we already know about mixed race populations. Unless of course, what he really means is the extinction of European derived peoples which is the only thing he is interested in. Posted by Steve Edwards on October 15, 2006, 09:09 AM | # I see Alon Ziv has so far failed to respond to GW’s questions. Perhaps JR can send a reminder email? Posted by AlonandMichalWedding on October 15, 2006, 09:19 AM | # The following is not meant to be anti-Semitism nor a personal attack, but it is relevant with respect to the issue of motivation.
Please see here:
Also note the surnames, as well as phenotypes, noted under the category of “Michal’s family” (as well, of course, under “Alon’s family). Alon’s wife is clearly Caucasian. Based on physical appearance and surnames, it seems most likely that Michal is, like Alon, Jewish, and most probably Ashkenazim. Interesting. Posted by Al Ross on October 15, 2006, 10:11 AM | # In the matter of race-mixing, the European has crossed with every known race of humanity in the course of his Imperial conquest of the world. This miscegenation has resulted in an inextricable mass of mixed peoples and has availed the world nothing in terms of superior specimens of mankind. Posted by Steve Edwards on October 15, 2006, 11:01 AM | # So how come Alon missed out on the opportunity to have “more attractive” and “healthier” children for himself? Or did he only come to his revelation after it was too late? Posted by Guessedworker on October 15, 2006, 11:21 AM | # So, we have no reply from Alon to my question - which, of course, is a reply of sorts, always assuming he has the intellectual curiosity to revisit the thread. His silence is all the more suspicious because we can now see that Alon has not, in fact, pursued the course maritally that he commends to the rest of us. You know, Alon, there’s something not quite straight in all this that I wish you would sort out. I admit it could be a case of the bitter and defeated victim of circumstance imploring those he loves to “Do as I say, not as I do.” And if you are such a man, such a charitable, well-meaning man, and we merely misunderstand you ... if you are indeed filled with regret about the “non-vigorous” course your life has taken, I think you had better speak to your wife. Have you even owned up to her about writing this book on going wild in Rwanda and Burundi? I could understand if you haven’t. She could easily worry about you getting the hots for every passing Bantu chick in LA. And then, she might think that you don’t trust her. You know the cover of your own book, don’t you ... that recommendation to white girls to go get themselves a better quality of orgasm with a well-endowed Rwandan. Just by the by, I sort of wondered how that would work out for us pathetic white guys as we follow your advice and try to maximise our “vigour”. How can we do that ... how can we get anywhere if we just can’t keep a Bantu slack Alice happy? No Alon, there’s something fishy in all this. I really wish you would come back and tell us where we are getting you wrong. Posted by Steve Edwards on October 15, 2006, 11:31 AM | # Every side here knows exactly what’s going on, and where their opponents are at - but only one side is open about their intentions. What gives? Posted by Englander on October 15, 2006, 01:57 PM | # J. Richards has done a great job and I doubt if Alon Ziv will come back. He doesn’t need to, his book is out there doing what he intended it to do. I see there are two gushing reviews of this book on Amazon. It would be a great service to add an alternative viewpoint to that site, and perhaps a link to this discussion (if Amazon allows that). Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 15, 2006, 01:59 PM | #
Furius, I’m afraid, has got it exactly right. Furius has named the other side’s motivation in stark but accurate terms. Furthermore, to anyone who looks at what’s going on with this book under discussion in the context of what’s been going on roughly for the past hundred years this objective of theirs should be transparent. Things that seemed utter mysteries, seemed to make no sense at all, are fully explained. This is their nationalism. They’re fighting for their race by trying to destroy ours. They may vary the weapons used, never the goal of elimination of Euros as a race.
Where many of them are concerned, Steve, we may be dealing with repression in the Freudian sense: they may repress their real motivations, which are (a non-messy, slow but sure) genocide. Through a mechanism of Freudian repression they may not permit conscious realization of this motivation to enter in their minds. That would certainly explain how they can deny with such bold faces what they’re obviously up to. (Some of them, of course, aren’t repressing anything but are fully aware of what they’re doing.) Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 15, 2006, 02:01 PM | #
That link would get deleted in less than a nanosecond. Posted by Guessedworker on October 15, 2006, 02:40 PM | # A review at Amazon would be a good and perhaps necessary idea. But, of course, one has to have read the book. JR? Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 15, 2006, 02:56 PM | #
How can this man marry any woman in good faith knowing, as he “does,” that, not being a Negro, he’ll only ever give her inadequate orgasms? Isn’t marriage-to-him something only an extremely selfish man would inflict on any woman? Posted by Andy on October 15, 2006, 03:59 PM | # What would be wrong--with JR’s approval of course--with someone copying and posting this outstanding review on Amazon? Obviously it would have to be altered slightly and the pictures and graphs removed. If you feel that the review is too long for the average Amazon shopper, perhaps someone could shorten this review so that it just hits the high points. Posted by Guessedworker on October 15, 2006, 04:16 PM | # Well, here anyway are a few more serious questions for Alon. 1) As you agree that race exists, do you also agree that the Boas-Montague-Gould-Lewontin-Diamond-Wise line on the non-existence of race, for example the following passage on race from Encyclopedia Brittanica ... Genetic studies in the late 20th century denied the existence of biogenetically distinct races, and scholars now argue that “races” are cultural interventions reflecting specific attitudes and beliefs that were imposed on different populations in the wake of western European conquests beginning in the 15th century. ... was and is a Marxist scam? 2) Do you accept that Jewish intellectuals were disproportionately to the fore in that scam, and would you care to put forward an explanation for that? 3) Do you accept the validity of the genetic research that has found population clusters as well as clines, or are you a “clines only” man? Because that’s just another way of denying race, which you say you don’t do. If you are indeed a “clines only” man, how do you refute the research showing clusters? Or do you just want to cherry-pick? 4) Steve Sailor’s VDare article on your opus states: Gregory Cochran told me that he and University of Utah population geneticist Henry Harpending once scanned the medical literature to see if interracial mating increased human fertility (due to hybrid vigor) or decreased it (due to genetic incompatibilities). They concluded that whatever net effect might exist was smaller than the statistical margin of error in the studies. So, if mixed-race couples don’t produce more children than endogamous parents, on what basis can you compensate for their loss of parental kinship? Would not this loss of parental kinship constitute a loss of fitness? 5) What hard evidence do you have that shows that, in the round, mixed race children are actually healthier than white children? For example, what health benefits accrue from Bantu-European miscegenation that compensate for the known increase in mental health problems that afflict black-white mixed-race children and adolescents. 6) JR tells me that you took no account of ethnic genetic interests in your book. Don’t even mention them. But in this world of unidirectional migration the loss of fitness that results from loss of parental kinship plainly projects on Europeans in general as a loss of EGI. How can exogamy possibly throw up “compensations” for something of which it is the cause? It’s double-talk. 7) Now let’s fast forward to a future Zivworld. Whaddya know, we’re all brown and, well, bigger and we spend one heck of a lot of time chasing that next great orgasm. But what will have happened to the mean IQ of the West, Alon? And its prosperity, civility, aesthetics, its culture of progress? Any loss of fitness percolating through to your brain there? 8) Now a really tough test of integrity, Alon ... if you were ordered by an employer, say, to gather research evidence against hybrid vigour from second generations on, could you find any? It’s interesting you see, because my local plant nursery breeds fuschias and camillas from original parental stock. They keep these fabulous plants just for that purpose. They must have found, don’t you know, that outbreeding depression reduces their livelihood. Strange how humble plant-breeders know that only too well but you, an IQ 130 man I suppose, don’t. Or perhaps you do but don’t want to tell us. So which is it? Could you find evidence against your own thesis of human hybrid vigour? Did you look before you wrote your book, or did you merely cherry-pick? And what might have been your reason for cherry-picking? Posted by onetwothree on October 15, 2006, 04:25 PM | # Maybe his publisher came up with the title “breeding between the lines” but something about it bugs me a little. The term “breeding” is rarely used in reference to humans, and strongly implies a deliberate policy, as imposed by a rancher on his cattle. Anyway. If you “breed” a thoroughbred horse with a draft horse, you’ll have an offspring much more suited for certain uses, at the expense of the speed and strength of the parents. An animal really doesn’t belong to a race unless it has this or that characteristic sticking out. And any characteristic far from the average can easily creep into excess. Part of white people’s characteristic look is the long nose, while blacks have wide noses. While Asians rarely have noses too long or too wide, it is common for whites or blacks to, as I said, creep into excess. “Breed” a white and a black, and you tend to average out every characteristic, including those near t | |