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Are Jews White?

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Robert E. Reis

The Southern Poverty Law Center has declared war on Professor Kevin MacDonald, but the SPLC has not declared war on Jared Taylor and American Renaissance.

The SPLC has good things to say about American Renaissance and about Jared Taylor.

The SPLC mentions that American Renaissance consistently deletes readers’ posts critical of the Jews. The SPLC describes American Renaissance as “100% clean” white nationalism.

Jared Taylor and American Renaissance cater to modern non-Orthodox Jews by claiming that Jews are white.

E. Michael Jones believes that the American Renaissance is “the white man’s version of the NAACP, which is to say, one more organization which manipulates the race issue in the interests of the revolutionary Jews. The main purpose of the American Renaissance is to convince deracinated Protestants that Jews are white, and, therefore, no threat to their interests.”

If non-Jewish white people see Jews as white people in the context of the relationship between whites and blacks in America or in the context of non-white immigration to white countries, then Jews disappear from the radar screens. Ordinary white people will not suspect Jews and Jewish groups of having hidden motives when they make policy recommendations.

Are Jews white? Or are they a genetic clustering that is “acting in a way that cannot please God and makes them the enemies of the whole human race” (I Thess 1:15).

Many years ago, Senator Joseph McCarthy was asked how he identified a communist. He responded that if something looked like a duck, waddled like a duck, quacked like a duck and hung around with a lot of other ducks, he had found a duck.

Science has advanced a lot since then.

It is a politically correct view to hold that races do not exist.  Even those scientists who promote this doctrine have to admit there are genetic clusterings; recognizable groups of people who look more like members of their group than they look like members of other groups. It would be an aberrant man of science who did not see a difference between native Swedes, Germans, and Poles and native Chinese, Koreans and Japanese.

Many scientific studies of the DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) of various groupings of human beings have been done.

One study allocates Iranians, English people, Danes and Greeks to a tight clustering, Japanese and Koreans to another cluster, Khmer, Micronesians, and Malays to another cluster, and Bantus, Nilo-Saharans, and West Africans to yet another cluster. Near Easterners are located about as far from Iranian, English, Danish, Greek cluster as the Chinese are located from the Micronesians.

Another study acknowledges seven genetic clusterings in the following order of genetic distance: African, Caucasoid, Northeast Asian, Arctic Asia, America, Southeast Asia, New Guinea and Australian.

This same study, bewilderingly enough, also recognizes nine genetic clusterings in the following order of genetic distance from Africans: Africans, Non-European Caucasoids, European Caucasoids, Northeast Asians, Arctic Northeast Asians, Southeast Asians, Amerindians, New Guineans and Australians, Pacific Islanders.

Another analysis identified five major human clades, [groups that include all descendants of one common ancestor]: sub-Saharan Africans, Caucasians, Greater Asians, Australopapuans and Amerindians. 

It is fair to say that a minimal definition of whiteness must be restricted to the European Caucasian genetic clustering. I have witnessed and also read the reports of ethnic rioting in Europe where groups of non-European Caucasians attacked European Caucasians and verbally abused them as “whites”. When members of the Near Eastern genetic clustering talk about “whites”, they are not talking about people from the Non-European Caucasian clustering from Iran or India.

Is there a identifiable Jewish genetic clustering? If the Jewish genetic clustering exists, is it part of the European Caucasian genetic clustering?

Both before and after the discovery and use of DNA evidence, scientific researchers examined the biological relationships among Jews and between Jews and the non-Jewish populations among whom they lived.

Mourant, Kopec, and Domaniewska-Sobczak reported that blood group data support the relative homogeneity of the main historic Jewish communities and that Jews are essentially a single people with a limited genetic resemblance to the populations among whom they dwelled.

Sachs and Bat Miriam reported impressive similarities among the Jewish populations in nine countries in North Africa, the Middle East and Central Europe while they found important genetic differences between the Jews and the non-Jews in the same countries. 

Studies of blood group data published in 1977 and 1979 found no significant difference in Jewish populations from Iraq, Libya, Germany, or Poland. They estimated that the genetic distance between Gentiles and Jews living in the same area is three to five times greater than for Jews living in the different nations studied. The earlier study concluded that not much admixture has taken place between Ashkenazi Jews and their Gentile neighbors during the last 700 years or so. 

Mille and Kobyliansky ascertained from studies of dermatologlyphics, the science of the study of skin patterns, data that Eastern European Jews are much more similar to Middle-Eastern Jews than they are to the non-Jewish Eastern Europeans. 

Kobyliansky and Livshits estimated that Jews in Russia were six times more distant from Russians than Russians were from Germans. They also reported the Jews to be completely separate from the twenty-four other ethnic groups studied in Russia, Germany, and Poland. 

Sofaer, Smith, and Kaye compared modern Jews and 3,000-year old Jewish skeletons discovered in the Middle East. The ancient Jewish skeletal group turned out to be far more similar to the modern Jewish populations than to every non-Jewish group studied except for one, an Arab Druse group from the 11th century. 

Livshits, Sokal and Kobylianskyt investigated the genetic affinities of Jewish populations. They concluded that Jewish populations are more like one another than they are to non-Jews and that pairs of Jewish populations from different locations are more alike than pairs of non-Jewish populations. They maintained that the most economical explanation of their findings is that the modern Jewish population throughout the world was derived from a common original gene pool which underwent few changes during the dispersion of the Jewish people. They also reported that it was highly likely that the common origin of the Jewish populations was more recent than that of the non-Jews.

In 2001, the scientific journal Human Immunology published a keynote research paper by the Spanish geneticist Professor Antonio Arnaiz-Villena and others, showing that Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians are genetically almost identical. The research team had found no data to support the idea that Jewish people were genetically different from other people in the region.  The Jewish reaction was intense, abusive, threatening and effective. Human Immunology’s editor was threatened by mass resignations from members if she did not retract the article. Human Immunology urged its members who had already received copies containing the article to rip out the offending pages and thrown them away.

The evidence is conclusive. Jews are part of an identifiable genetic clustering. This clustering is part of the Near Eastern genetic clustering. The Near Eastern genetic clustering is part of the Non-European Caucasians clustering. Jews are not white.

Posted by Robert Reis on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 10:44 AM in Genetics & Human Bio-Diversity
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Great article. It describes the scientific backing of what is deduced by the astute observer of jewish behaviour through the ages.

If the same traits and patterns of jewish behaviour is a virtual constant through thousands of years, as documented by varying peoples and writers, and furthermore is still the same nowadays, as we have the dubious privilege to witness in real time, plus on top is specific to a clearly defined group of people, then there remains only one reasonable conclusion: these behavioural traits are not transmitted culturally, but are hardwired into these very people. As we nowadays now better then ever, hardwiring is done by means of genes, so no real surprise here, but good to know and yet another confirmation.

Posted by 123 on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 12:17 PM | #


Jews aren’t white politically, either.  None of the downsides of whiteness attach to Jews voluntarily.  Two salient examples spring to mind: while interviewing Morgan Freeman on 60 minutes Mike Wallace expressly evades “white guilt” by asserting his Jewishness; Joan Rivers blitzkrieged the hapless black activist Darcus Howe, who was too naive to know “white guilt” is a “goy” thing.  Then of course there’s the whole HOLOCAUST industry, which is the biggest “white guilt” trip in history; Jews use this paragon of “white guilt” to justify their aggression against the very people who pulled their asses out of the fire in WWII!

(Btw, CNN’s outright lie of a “transcript” is telling)

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 03:50 PM | #


The Jews themselves are telling us they don’t consider themselves white, by their unending calls for the downfall, punishment, and race-replacement of whites, their doing all they can to bring these ends about, and their open, brazen, shocking rejoicing at every sign things are getting closer to those goals they champion so fervently:  one can be certain in all this that the Jews are NOT calling for the downfall, punishment, or race-replacement of JEWS — they’re NOT calling for the punishment, downfall, or race-replacement of THEMSELVES.  Duhhhhhh .......

If a highly intelligent, extremely self-centered, self-aware group tells you loud-and-clear by its words and deeds it’s not white, you’d perhaps be making a big mistake not to believe it:  look to the Jews themselves for the answer — they’re telling you they DO NOT consider themselves white.

Excellent log entry, by the way, and excellent comments by 123 and Svy.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 04:17 PM | #


I think that’s I Thess. 2:15.

Posted by MB on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 04:43 PM | #


“I think that’s I Thess. 2:15.” (—MB)

Right.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 04:59 PM | #


Jews are ‘white’. But whiteness is not a proper foundation for group identity in the first place. If white European-Americans and white Jews find themselves on the same continuum of identity it is because the former have nothing special to distinguish themselves.

Posted by MacGregor on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 06:02 PM | #


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/14/60minutes/main1127684.shtml

Svi—save it somehow if you can.

Posted by garland on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 06:21 PM | #


Svi, for the record, CNN put out a straight transcript here:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/19/sbt.01.html

Posted by garland on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 06:26 PM | #


Thanks for comments.

This is a revised article with many changes and that darn error in scriptural citation that I appreciate that so many of you spotted.

Cheers,

Robert

Posted by Robert Reis on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 06:38 PM | #


No.

They are a people apart, by their own choosing. By claiming to be white, they wish to claim all of the benefits of membership in another tribe, without conferring any of the benefits of membership in their own tribe to anyone else.

If all Jews are white, are all whites Jewish?

I think not.

Riley

Posted by Riley DeWiley on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 10:07 PM | #


Jews are ‘white’. But whiteness is not a proper foundation for group identity in the first place. If white European-Americans and white Jews find themselves on the same continuum of identity it is because the former have nothing special to distinguish themselves.

Well, we are a victim of our imprecise terminology here. The context when a WN uses it is to mean someone who is of continental European ancestry.

Many North Africans and Arabs are technically Caucasian, by a greater genetic definition, but the connection to continental Europe and the indo european settlements is a bit more tenuous, especially when you factor in the historical racial admixture with other groups they encountered.

I am not an ‘anti-Semite’. I believe Jews have a place, but it is not among those of us in Europe or continental Europe. They have a cultural system that works for them but is incompatible with our own.

Perhaps Constantin will read this article and get some sense slapped into him.

Posted by Darren on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 03:41 AM | #


The SPLC mentions that American Renaissance consistently deletes readers’ posts critical of the Jews.

Make that Amren doesn’t post comments critical of Jews.  Amren moderates comments.

If the Mossad front SPLC really labels Amren ‘“100% clean” white nationalism’ then Amren is certified as a largely useless publication for white America.  Any publication that refuses to identify and act against an alien group that is predominantly responsible for the problems it complains about ad infinitum is a useless one.

What I would like to draw attention to are the problems in Robert Reis’ essay.  To start with, such articles need to be accompanied by citations rather than leaving the reader to search for them.  Reis has also omitted many recent studies, but before I address them, the core logic is at fault.

The ability to largely genetically distinguish one population from another does not mean that these populations belong to separate races.  Please read about the phylogeographic criteria for race assignment.  With a large number of markers, closely related populations can be very well separated, as seen below.

PC analysis of European populations

This image was taken from recent research published in Science magazine, and they used 650,000 DNA markers.

Most Jews are Ashkenazi and these are not all Middle Eastern.  This is known from both history and genetic evidence.  The basic population structure among Europeans is a north-south distinction, followed by a distinction between the Ashkenazi and other southern Europeans.

Here are some newer studies:

Seldin MF, Shigeta R, Villoslada P, Selmi C, Tuomilehto J, et al. (2006) European population substructure: clustering of northern and southern populations. PLoS Genet 2: e142 doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.0020143

Price AL, Butler J, Patterson N, Capelli C, Pascali VL, et al. (2008) Discerning the Ancestry of European Americans in Genetic Association Studies. PLoS Genet 4(1): e236. doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.0030236

Tian C, Plenge RM, Ransom M, Lee A, Villoslada P, et al. (2008) Analysis and Application of European Genetic Substructure Using 300 K SNP Information. PLoS Genet 4(1): e4. doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.0040004

In the Seldin et al. study, the Ashkenazi couldn’t be separated from other southeastern Europeans, but with more markers they could be separated.

There is no easy way to use genetic justification to definitively exclude the Ashkenazi from European mankind while including other southern Europeans.  Of course, one could exclude southern Europeans to make the matter easy, and Nordicists certainly wouldn’t be complaining, but much of European history and achievement has occurred in southern Europe, and southern European goyim are not undermining the welfare of northern Europeans.  People should keep in mind that some “Nordicists” recommending the exclusion of southern Europeans are Jews trying to prevent whites from organizing against them.  So I recommend that genetic justification be largely ignored.  Just as a dangerous white criminal belongs in prison rather than in free white society notwithstanding his being white, given the extensive history of anti-goyim behavior by organized Jews and the havoc they have wreaked on Europeans, Jews should be considered highly unwelcome aliens that are clearly outside what European mankind should call their own kind.

Posted by J Richards on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 07:26 AM | #


In the Seldin et al. study, the Ashkenazi couldn’t be separated from other southeastern Europeans, but with more markers they could be separated.

There is no easy way to use genetic justification to definitively exclude the Ashkenazi from European mankind while including other southern Europeans.

As usual, you don’t know what you are talking about.  You’ll note that in the earlier Seldin study, the Ashkenazim occupied one extreme within the “southern cluster;” in other words, looking at that set of markers, and comparing the Ashkenazim only to a European set of populations, they did fall in the southern cluster (which is no surprise).  The later Seldin work continued looking at only Europeans + Jews, but used sufficient markers to cluster Jews separately.  Interestingly, the Jews did not fall within the North/South continuum, but were “off” in their “won quadrant,” so to speak (crudely).

In a very rough analogy, there are some who misinterpreted the old Rosenberg studies into thinking that South Asians and Middle Easterns were simply Europeans with some East Asian or African “admixture,” respectively.  Remember Rosenberg’s “blue” category, and comments made about this?  Later studies, with more markers, very clearly demonstrated a South/Central Asian specific genetic component in South Asian populations.  Even more recently, that Science paper in which Cavalli-Sforza decided to update his outdated findings in, used sufficient markers to distinguish Middle Easterns/North Africans from Europeans.

These studies are a “work in progress,” as they increase marker sets and, in theory, (should) increase numbers of populations examined.

There’s nothing wrong with your political analysis per se, but I can’t understand why people, like “The Inverted World,” are so eager to jump on any evidence to “prove” that the Ashkenazim are “European.” Let us at least see where they would fall within analysis similar to that of the recent Science paper.

The fact that the Ashkenazim “clustered” in the “southern” grouping in the original Seldin paper doesn’t mean that they are not at least partially Middle Eastern or that they are genetically equivalent to southern Europeans. 

What I would like to draw attention to are the problems in Robert Reis’ essay. 

There are such problems in all of this essays, which doesn’t prevent him from expressing his learned opinions from everything from population genetics to the (lack of) health problems from cigarette smoking.

Posted by blog tragic on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 08:51 AM | #


This image was taken from recent research published in Science magazine, and they used 650,000 DNA markers.

Yes, and did you see Figure 1 in that paper, and how it compares to Rosenberg’s previous studies, which seemed to indicate that Europeans, South Asians, and Middle Easterns all had the same underlying major genetic component, albeit with different levels of “admixture?”

Posted by blog tragic on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 08:55 AM | #


http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Koestler13thTribe.htm

Is that “history?” Where’s the genetic evidence for the “Khazar hypothesis?  Do you think that Koestler is an objective “historian” when it comes to the history of Jews?

Posted by blog tragic on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 08:59 AM | #


pc300k.jpg

Looking at the Northern and Southern European clusters, you’ll find they lie along an upper left-lower right axis.  If you more closely at the designated ethnicities, you’ll also see that this “cluster axis” “just happens to” mirror a Northwest to Southeast geographic axis, with the Irish at one end and the Greeks at the other.

Ashkenazim, particularly those with 4 Ash. grandparents (hence, “unmixed") do not lie along this axis.  Researchers may express the opinion that this may be due (at least in part) to effects of drift, but the NRY data as well as gene mutation studies (never mind actual history) suggest that these marked differences may in fact be due to the Ashkenazim’s predominant (recent) Middle Eastern ancestry.

Posted by blog tragic on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 09:19 AM | #


With respect to this issue, as well as the “chimps are similar to Europeans” comments on another thread, that’ll be addressed on my own blog.

Posted by blog tragic on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 10:26 AM | #


People should keep in mind that some “Nordicists” recommending the exclusion of southern Europeans are Jews trying to prevent whites from organizing against them.

Care to point out some examples of this phenomenon? I’ve yet to encounter it outside diabloblanco’s and apparently now your fevered imaginations.

The reality, of course, is that Jewish “anti-racism” began as anti-Nordicism, and boasianism’s first target was the idea that racial variation existed in Europe.

Posted by n/a on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 11:05 AM | #


I think, that the notion, that jews might be white, rests really on one fact only, namely that they at least superficially and look more or less white.

From the flora and fauna there are many examples of even different species looking similar or alike. It is called mimicry. The reason for one kind to evolve so as to resemble the other is, that it proved to be advantageous. For example, there are completely harmess flies who look very similar to wasps. The casual observer would conclude, that since these flies do look like wasps, they must be wasps, but of course they are not. In any case the flies would have a radically different behaviour to wasps and this would be one way of recognizing them for what they are.

Transferring this notion to the jews and their parasitic lifestyle for thousands of years and their most susceptible host being whites, it is not inconceivable, that they developed along such lines, so as to appear white (mimicried whites). It gives them an effective camouflage and prevents their victims from recognizing what is happening to them, thus making the parasiting easier and more efficient (as we can witness now better than ever) since the host cannot recognize its parasite. Thus the superficial resemblance of jews to whites would not mean at all, that they are white. Quite the opposite, it really means they are not and really an increasingly (as this development goes on) efficient parasite and thus enemy of whites. Taking the analogy to the above cited example, one method to distinguish them would be their behaviour, which indeed could not contrast stronger to that of whites.

Posted by 123 on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 11:11 AM | #


123,

One does not need mimicry to explain Jewish “European-ness”.  The spasms of European revenge-taking would likely favour the survival of the more European-looking Jews.  And then there is a deal of inter-marriage.

Robert’s thesis perhaps requires an air-tight definition of “white”.

Posted by Guessedworker on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 11:22 AM | #


@Guessedworker

Mimicry does not come about by itself, but by means of selective forces. What you describe are the selective forces to bring about mimicry of the jews.

The point I was trying to make is, that the outer appearance may be misleading, but it is probably the main reason for even raising the question of jews being white.

Posted by 123 on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 12:11 PM | #


We are saying the same thing, I guess.  Basically, in the heat of the moment, when the torches are flaming and the cottage doors are thrown open, and the logs are being piled up in the town square, sympathy sometimes decides who is dragged to the stake and who is left seen but undisturbed beneath the bed.

Posted by Guessedworker on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 12:21 PM | #


Blog tragic,

Why don’t you stick to a single alias, not just per entry?

In a very rough analogy, there are some who misinterpreted the old Rosenberg studies into thimking that South Asians and Middle Easterns were simply Europeans with some East Asian or African “admixture,” respectively.  Remember Rosenberg’s “blue” category, and comments made about this?

Europeans with any significant East Asian or African admixture cease to be Europeans.  The recent Science paper by Jun Li et al. adds a nuance to the Rosenberg et al. study.  If 650,000 markers split people spread over a broad geographic region into three clusters whereas about 1,000 markers reveal a single cluster only (the blue cluster) such that the typical European has nearly 100% membership in this cluster but Middle Easterners and northwestern south Asians have substantial but much lesser membership in the blue cluster, then it doesn’t mean that part-European (as opposed to some obscure Caucasoid) ancestry is not supported in Middle Easterners and central/northwestern south Asians.  Look up information on lactase tolerance and SLC24A5 (skin color) genetics in Europeans and people as far as South Asia as well as some history such as Indo-European migrations outside of Europe.  Even with 650,000 markers, you can still see that the typical Palestinian has substantial minority membership in the European cluster and many south Asian individuals have small but significant membership in the European cluster.  With more markers, one is bound to better separate populations and increase the likelihood of coming up with additional clusters, but this would not undermine admixture scenarios in the past or definitely justify assignment to separate races. 

The fact that the Ashkenazim “clustered” in the “southern” grouping in the original Seldin paper doesn’t mean that they are not at least partially Middle Eastern or that they are genetically equivalent to southern Europeans.

No need to state this because I haven’t implied this.  I said that the Ashkenazim are not entirely Middle Eastern.  Of course they are partly Middle Eastern, but many southern European goyim are not free of a Middle Eastern element either.

Where’s the genetic evidence for the “Khazar hypothesis?

The state of current genetic knowledge and analysis does not allow it to be used as a yardstick for historical documentation.  People other than Koestler have documented the Khazar origin of the Ashkenazi.  Since you must justify the matter genetically, why don’t you write the definitive piece on how, genetically speaking, one can include southern Europeans as part of European mankind but exclude the Askkenazi?  If you can do this, this will help us.  I personally wouldn’t bother with genetics when it comes to regarding the Ashkenazi as outside European mankind because of their behavior, but if there is genetic evidence then it can only be better, and this evidence better have some academic rigor unlike Reis’ essay.  And don’t post it at your blog.  Mail it to Guessedworker or me.  Your blog does not allow comments.

Here is another matter.  Lynn reviewed many studies and reported that in Israel, the IQ of the Ashkenazi is 15 points (1 S.D.) higher than that of the Oriental Jews (proper Semites from Middle East, near East, north Africa).  Do you think that the Semites went to Europe and experienced a 15-point IQ increase during the Middle Ages?  A more likely scenario is that the Semites were able to convert the higher IQ Khazars to Judaism, and thanks to their obnoxious behaviors, the Khazars were largely confined to money lending/management, the cognitive demands of which selected for higher IQs, which eventually resulted in their IQ ending up 0.20–0.67 S.D. higher than that of European goyim.

You should also look up some of the useless research the Ashkenazi religious Jews have been coming up with on the “Cohen modal Y haplotype” and the “Levite modal Y haplotype” to trace the lineage of the Levites and Cohanim back two millennia to Levi and Aharon. 

I can’t understand why people, like “The Inverted World,” are so eager to jump on any evidence to “prove” that the Ashkenazim are “European.”

Simple reason.  Robert Reis said it in his essay, and he got it right.

Ashkenazim, particularly those with 4 Ash. grandparents (hence, “unmixed") do not lie along this axis.

This is in reference to the 2A figure in the Tian et al. research.  Why just pick one PC axis?  Both PCs do a good job of distinguishing northern Europeans from the Ashkenazi, but only PC2 does a good job of distinguishing the Greeks and Italians from the Ashkenazi, and PC2 explains much less of the variance than PC1.  You can see this in the STRUCTURE (k=2) results (Figure 3 and S1).

Don’t bother citing evidence that distinguishes Ashkenazi from southern Europeans.  It is not being argued that this is not possible.  Just as in the figure I posted where it is easy to distinguish closely related European populations, yet one would not use this to justify classifying them into separate races, your task is to genetically justify why southern European goyim but not the Ashkenazi should be clustered with northern Europeans when it comes to classifying who is genetically European.  Do this and you do us all a favor.  Keep in mind that the Price et al. study reported Fst between northern and southern Europeans as 0.005 and Fst between southern European goyim and Ashkenazi as 0.004 for the entire dataset and for the ancestry informative markers, the upward biased Fst values were 0.07 and 0.04 respectively (I don’t have to tell you how big of a difference these numbers represent).

Posted by J Richards on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 12:24 PM | #


Care to point out some examples of this phenomenon? I’ve yet to encounter it outside diabloblanco’s and apparently now your fevered imaginations.

How am I supposed to cite examples?  A Moshe Rothberg will not claim to be a Nordicist and argue that southern Europeans are non-white.  Hiding behind the anonymity of the internet, Moshe will claim to be Joos van den Eshof, and then proceed.  If you regularly read majorityrights, you will eventually observe this for yourself, provided that you are familiar with the subversive and deceptive nature of many members of the tribe.

Posted by J Richards on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 12:46 PM | #


There is no easy way to use genetic justification to definitively exclude the Ashkenazi from European mankind while including other southern Europeans.  Of course, one could exclude southern Europeans to make the matter easy, and Nordicists certainly wouldn’t be complaining, but much of European history and achievement has occurred in southern Europe, and southern European goyim are not undermining the welfare of northern Europeans

The answer to this is pretty easy: the native ethnic composition of Europe should be respected. No Slavs in Scandinavia. No English in Russia. Etc. Thus, by this definition, Jews do not have a clear genetic claim to Europe.

As for America, its a little more complicated, but the same logic could be used. The population groups that define White America are pretty easy to list and those should be the ones that define who is and isn’t White in American society. Jews have very little claim, in terms of genetic contribution, to White America.

That is the definition, I think, we should use.

People should keep in mind that some “Nordicists” recommending the exclusion of southern Europeans are Jews trying to prevent whites from organizing against them.  So I recommend that genetic justification be largely ignored.

Nordicists have every right to preserve their bloodlines, in my feeling, and every other population of Europeans have a right to preserve their own strains.

Posted by Darren on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 01:29 PM | #


Coincidentally, from the General Social Survey data The Inductivist recently finds:

‘Jews are interesting because one might predict that most of them would answer white since almost all of them self-identify as white, but more blacks and Mexicans than Jews think they have a lot in common with whites! A noticeable number of Jews feel they are very much like blacks: presumably, these folks are thinking of histories of abuse by white Christians.’

If there is a genetic explanation for this, which I believe there is, then it isn’t necessary to posit a distinction by what we think of as geographic race.  There are many genetic maladies that occur within a race.  Tay-Sachs is one such malady.  There may be others similarly clustered.  I’ve commented before that it would be a great boon to identify these genes and their corresponding group metabolic pathways that lead to human ecology horrors like the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.  It may be that there are very simple things that can be done to render these group metabolic pathways null and void if only we understood their real structure.

Posted by James Bowery on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 02:02 PM | #


James Bowery: “It may be there are very simple things that can be done to render these group metabolic pathways null and void if only we understood their real structure.”

What do you mean by “group metabolic pathways”?

Also, if you have any more or less well refined speculation concerning the “real structure” of the “group metabolic pathways” of Jewish virulence I’d be interested in hearing it.

Posted by captainchaos on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 03:48 PM | #


Are Jews white?

This question of course depends on how one defines “white”. If one considers “white” synonymous with “Caucasoid”, then Jews are white. However, if one accepts the traditional definition of whites as people of European descent, Jews are clearly non-white.

Jews are genetically distinct from Europeans
Studies of the Y-chromosome, mtDNA, and autosomal markers have demonstrated that Ashkenazic Jews derive most of their ancestry from the Middle East and have little in common genetically with the Europeans among whom they live.

Y DNA
Hammer et al. (2000) estimated that Ashkenazi male lineages are about 77% Jewish / Middle Eastern. A 23% European male admixture amounts to an accretion of less than 0.5% per generation. A newer study estimates an even lower European male contribution:

admixture analysis . . . suggests that 5%–8% of the Ashkenazi gene pool is . . . comprised of Y chromosomes that may have introgressed from non-Jewish European populations (Behar et al. Contrasting patterns of Y chromosome variation in Ashkenazi Jewish and host non-Jewish European populations. Hum Genet. 2004 Mar;114(4):354-65. Epub 2004 Jan 22.)

mtDNA
Recent research shows that the Ashkenazic maternal gene pool is also predominantly Near Eastern in origin, with minor European admixture.

While several Ashkenazi Jewish mtDNA Hgs appear to derive from the Near East, there is also evidence for a low level of introgression from host European non-Jewish populations. . . . diversity patterns provide evidence for a prolonged period of low effective size in the history of the Ashkenazi population. The data best fit a model of an early bottleneck (~100 generations ago), perhaps corresponding to initial migrations of ancestral Ashkenazim in the Near East or to Europe. . . . The observed mutational frequency peak for the Ashkenazi and Near Eastern non-Jewish populations is similar and consistent with the age of the Pleistocene expansion, which is older than that inferred from the mutational frequency peak for European non- Jews. This is consistent with a Near East origin for a major portion of the Ashkenazi Jewish mtDNA pool. (Behar et al. MtDNA evidence for a genetic bottleneck in the early history of the Ashkenazi Jewish population. Eur J Hum Genet. 2004 Jan 14 [Epub ahead of print]. )

Autosomal markers
More than two decades ago, using a small number of ‘classical’ markers, Carmelli and Cavalli-Sforza (1979) found that Jews cluster genetically with Near Easterners.

A wide scatter of the Jews was observed among clusters of non-Jews, probably due to drift [Note: Ashkenazis fall squarely within the Near Eastern cluster, with various Jewish isolates being the outliers]. However, the centroid of the Jewish populations mapped in the Middle East cluster. . . . We can conclude by using Rh and Hp frequencies that the Jewish populations show a greater similarity to their ancestral origin. According to Mourant et al. (1976), “Jews from Europe, almost indistinguishable from their European non-Jewish neighbors by their ABO and MN groups, show by their Rh groups that physically they are more nearly related to their Mediterranean ancestors.”

Carmelli and Cavalli-Sforza did conclude that Ashkenazi have “significant” European admixture, but it should be understood that half the markers in this study involved the ABO and MN blood groups. The ABO system in particular is thought to respond selectively to epidemic disease. The authors even mention that “it should also be noted that if genetic similarity between a Jewish group and non-Jewish groups living in the same geographic area is restricted to one or a few loci, it is not observed at most other loci; the more likely interpretation calls for convergent selection at that locus rather than for admixture. Thus, single locus studes are potentially misleading. Unfortunately, the number of loci studied here is not large.”

Motulsky (1980), using a larger number of markers, estimated that Ashkenazi have only 12.5% European admixture; and, since it’s also likely that some of the loci used here were subject to selection, even this lower estimate may overstate the actual level of European admixture.

More here:

http://www.white-history.com/refuting_rm/2.html

Posted by Friedrich Braun on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 04:27 PM | #


Jews are white when it’s tactically or strategically advantageous to be white. They’re non-white when that’s advantageous. It’s the same with regard to the question of race/ethnicity vs. religion.

Posted by john on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 09:26 PM | #


Hard Right
Gay porn’s neocon kingpin.

James Kirchick, The New Republic Published: Wednesday, March 26, 2008

Porn magnate Michael Lucas (second from right) in the Holy Land.This was not what Patrick Cordova had bargained for. The Stanford junior, a member of the school’s student government, had wanted to host a lecture on sexual health. And he figured that a provocative and fun way to tackle the issue would be to bring a prominent pornographer to speak on campus. So Cordova sent out some invitations. The first person he heard back from was Michael Lucas--longtime porn actor and director of such films as Hunt & Plunge, The Bigger The Better, and Fire Island Cruising (editions one through eight). A fixture in New York nightlife and head of his own production company, Lucas is one of the biggest names in gay porn. His 2006 epic La Dolce Vita had a $250, 000 budget, which Lucas says makes it the most expensive porn film in history. The movie garnered best-picture honors at the annual GAYVN Awards, the Oscars of gay porn. (It also garnered a lawsuit from the company that controls the rights to the original Fellini film.) New York magazine has dubbed him the “last of the New York porn moguls.”

Lucas--a staunch advocate of safe sex who, unlike some porn directors, uses condoms in his movies--sounded like exactly the kind of guest speaker Cordova had in mind. “We were hoping that people would embrace his ideas on sexual identity and sexual health,” Cordova told me. But, after Stanford had already booked him, controversy erupted. Some students felt that Lucas shouldn’t have been invited to lecture. By the day of his speech, the storm surrounding Lucas had made its way into the pages of The Stanford Daily, where organizers found themselves defending the invitation against the protests of their outraged peers.

What had provoked such heated debate? It wasn’t Lucas’s porn. It was his politics. Lucas, it turns out, is a fervent supporter of Israel and a harsh, often offensive, critic of the Muslim world. He has called the Koran “today’s Mein Kampf” and regularly inveighs against Muslim homophobia and anti-Semitism in less-than-charming terms. “It totally escapes me how gay people can side with burqa-wearing, jihad-screaming, Koran-crazed Muslims,” he opined last year. At the talk itself, which took place this past Valentine’s Day and drew an audience of about 50, Lucas stuck to his guns. “What’s the point to respect their culture, or supposed culture, when they have a strong contempt for mine?” Lucas asked. And he wasn’t content to leave it at that. The day after he spoke, he published an op-ed in The Stanford Daily responding to the charge that he is racist. “I never in my life said or wrote a bad word about Arabs--go read any of my articles,” he explained. “My criticism was always addressed towards the religion and ideology of Islam. So I would like to ask Stanford students not to exploit the word ‘racism’ at their own convenience.”

The Stanford controversy wasn’t an isolated incident. Over the past few years, Lucas has developed a side career in political commentary to go along with his more lucrative day job. He frequently updates his blog with thoughts on world affairs, writes a regular op-ed column for The New York Blade (a gay newspaper), and has feuded with the popular, liberal gay blog Queerty. “I would be better financially if I didn’t open my mouth,” he tells me. And, yet, Lucas can’t seem to help himself.


Born Andrei Bregman to a secular Jewish family in Russia, Lucas is a graduate of Moscow State Law Academy. But he always craved celebrity, and the allure of fame enticed him to Berlin in 1995 to work as a model and prostitute. He came to the United States in 1997 and founded Lucas Entertainment the following year, eventually earning enough to move his parents and grandparents from Russia--"the putrid country of my birth"--to New York. Ever the resourceful entrepreneur, he put his father to work as a set constructor on his films.

I had read about Lucas in gay magazines like The Advocate and Out, and had met him when he gave a talk about the porn industry at Yale, where I was a student at the time. But it wasn’t until last spring--when Lucas began writing his column for the Blade--that I realized how obsessed he was with international affairs. To be sure, Lucas writes about other topics as well. On his blog, interspersed between hard-core photos, he comments on everything from professional boxing ("I would not be surprised if the majority of boxers are repressed gay or bisexual men") to the dumbing-down of society ("half the people you speak to think Pol Pot is something you buy at Home Depot"). But it is Middle Eastern politics that captivates him most.

When I called Lucas to arrange an interview, he said he was a longtime subscriber to The New Republic, and, arriving at his Manhattan office, I found The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and The Times of London spread out on his glass desk. (I couldn’t tell if the papers were there to impress, were film props, or were actual reading material.) When Lucas, who turns 36 this month, does wear clothes, he tends toward the form-fitting, and he sported a sharply tailored suit for our interview. He has a strong Russian accent, which is very much on display in his films. As we spoke, he occasionally paused to yell instructions at his publicist. Meanwhile, models entered and exited the room, slamming doors in search of sex toys.

You wouldn’t know it from watching his movies--which are apolitical--but Lucas has opinions on everything. He is a fan of David Brooks and the late Oriana Fallaci (though he acknowledges her homophobia), thought the Iraq war was a bad idea ("the wrong target"), considers the press soft in portraying Islamist terrorism ("it’s very upsetting that they don’t allow people to see the beheadings"), loves Nicolas Sarkozy ("I think Marc Jacobs told me that Sarkozy went to synagogue"), and hates Jimmy Carter ("this fucking peanut farmer"). While he originally disagreed with Russia’s brutal policies toward Chechnya, he now believes that America could learn something from Vladimir Putin. “The American Army can’t take Fallujah?” Lucas asks me, incredulous. “Level it!”

He criticizes Republicans, whom he calls “homophobic and anti-Semitic,” while labeling ultraOrthodox Israelis “anal warts on the body of Israeli society.” But the true objects of his ire are gay liberals whom he sees as overly sympathetic to the Arab side in the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Like many Russian Jews who were forced to repress their identity under Soviet rule, Lucas’s Jewish heritage is the anchor of his worldview. He visits Israel annually. Not long after touching down there last month, he penned a manifesto on his website titled, “I stand with Israel, I stand with Jews.” Shortly after the Lebanon war in 2006, he put on a live sex performance in a Tel Aviv nightclub where IDF members were given free admission ("in the tradition of American USO-style shows,” as a Lucas press release described it).

“He’s so deeply invested in, and in love with, his roots and his people,” says Heather Fink, a former publicist for Lucas who is writing a memoir about her experience working for him. But, she adds, “I think it’s very hard for him to empathize with Muslim people, and he does sometimes write them off.” That’s a gross understatement. Last year, in his Blade column, Lucas hailed gay artist Charles Merrill’s decision to burn a rare copy of the Koran, estimated to be worth $60,000, and, in a subsequent radio interview, called the Koran an “absolutely evil book.”

Sometime after visiting Lucas, I received a package from his company. Expecting it to be Lucas’s latest cinematic masterpiece, I instead found a copy of Lee Harris’s The Suicide of Reason: Radical Islam’s Threat to the West.


Like the Stanford students who thought they were putting together a lecture on safe sex only to find themselves embroiled in a controversy over Islam, members of the porn community have learned a lot recently about Lucas’s views on international affairs--probably more than most of them care to know. Unlike Stanford, however, the porn world is a place where people say and do outrageous things for a living. No wonder that, according to most of the porn community insiders I spoke with, the industry seems to be greeting Lucas’s emergence as a pundit with a collective shrug.

These insiders tend to view Lucas’s punditry as a mere extension of his brash personal style--a style that has led to frosty relations with other pornographers. Several years ago, Lucas told sex shop owners in New York that he would stop distributing his movies to them if they continued to stock those of a rival, a former Lucas actor with whom he had fallen out. “The entire industry is terrified of Michael Lucas,” an employee of a competing studio tells me, before politely explaining that’s all he can say. “He’s from the East Coast,” says Mark Kernes, a senior editor at Adult Video News. “Us people on the West Coast are more laid back.”

Lucas’s website describes him as “the epitome of the American Dream,” and, in some ways, that’s true. Americans, particularly immigrants, are experts at borrowing from different cultures in order to create something new. In the end, that capacity for borrowing may help explain Michael Lucas: He has married the pornographer’s taste for the outrageous to the brash self-assuredness of an immigrant entrepreneur to the ethnic nationalism of a Russian Jew to the subject matter of Bernard Lewis. And if the results are sometimes ridiculous or noxious--well, that’s the American way.

James Kirchick is an assistant editor at The New Republic.




Copyright © 2007 The New Republic. All rights reserved.

Posted by Robert Reis on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 at 03:25 AM | #


Referring to Robert Reis’ comment above:

“eventually earning enough to move his parents and grandparents from Russia — ‘the putrid country of my birth’ — to New York,” the fairly decent city of my own birth which the Jews, Andrei Bregman’s co-tribalists, have succeeded in making into a putrid cesspool as they do every Euro city and every Euro country they gain influence over:  it’s called Weimarization.  Jews do not like health in a goy society because health in a goy society signifies anti-Semitism in their twisted way of viewing the world.  So in goy society they fight for everything decadent and sick to have ascendancy over everything normal, sane, and healthy.  Thus do we constantly hear nostalgic praise from Jewish writers and commentators for what they call the “decadent Berlin of the 1920s and early ‘30s” ("early ‘30s” meaning until 1933 when the National Socialists began cleaning up the decadence, degenerateness, and misery so beloved of the Jews of that era and the Jews of today):  they would have hated a healthy Berlin then, as they hate a healthy New York now.  They adore genuine decadence and degenerateness and they fear and loathe societal normalness and societal health.  If any Euro country wishes to remain healthy, normal, and sane, the worst mistake it can make is to let lots of Jews settle.  New York City, my home town, which had the potential to be one of the truly great cities in the world, today is a cesspool no sane white person wants to live in.  It is a cesspool largely because of the United States’s Jewish community fighting savagely every step of the way to bring degenerateness to the fore in American society.  Thanks, Jews!  Wow, what great American citizens you’ve turned out to be!  Those WASPs in the 1880s who said not to admit your tribe in any significant numbers turned out to be so wrong, while those who said you’d make great U.S. citizens turned out to be sooooooo right!!!  If only that were so.  The truth is you, the Jews, have given the lie to those Americans in the 1880s who defended you, saying you’d make great citizens.  You’ve given the lie to those of your Jewish ancestors in Europe in the early 1800s who in petitioning for equal rights as citizens for Jews, said Jews would make good citizens and countries granting them equal rights as citizens wouldn’t be disappointed.  You’ve proven them all wrong.  You should be ashamed of yourselves:  you’ve reneged on the promises of your own ancestors, you’ve made liars of those WASPs who defended you when you wanted to enter the U.S., and you’ve disgraced your tribe by your behavior. 

Hasidic Jews are excluded from this criticism, as are those Orthodox Jews and Conservative Jews who are actually Orthodox and Conservative instead of laughably fake-Orthodox like Senator Joe Lieberman and fake-Conservative like that “Conservative” congregation that organized social functions specifically aimed at helping homosexuals find homosexual “star-crossed love.” Sane, moral Jews are of course excluded from the above criticism.  The problem is you can’t seem to get only that kind of Jew when you let them into your country.  You get way more of the other kind — to the point where you can kiss your country good-bye ... what’s left of it ...

Give U.S. Jews Florida and the southern half of California, far more than enough land to support their 5½ million in population.  Let them make those into New World Israels the way the U.S. and Canada were made into New World Europes.  Invite them all to move there and to keep strictly out of the rest of the United States.  Once they’re out of the rest of the U.S. it can be cleaned up and made normal and healthy once again, a place where Euros would actually wish to live.  The way it used to be, in other words, before the catastrophic, truly nightmarish 1960s advent of Jewish hegemony over this country.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 at 12:21 PM | #


And if Jews don’t want the southern half of California on grounds it’s all Mexican, too bad:  they’re the ones who made it that way.  It used to be all white till they ruined it.  As the retail-store clerk’s saying goes, “You broke it, you’ve bought it!”

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 at 12:32 PM | #


"Give U.S. Jews Florida and the southern half of California, far more than enough land to support their 5½ million in population.”

We, non-Jews, are in no position to give the Jews anything. Why would the Jews agree to be relocated into Florida and the southern half of California when they already control the entire USA and Canada? I don’t mean to start an argument with you, Fred, but isn’t it evident the left (controlled mainly by Jews) has a visegrip on our culture? We now live in a culture dominated by protected groups. People in general are so afraid of offending anyone who is a “protected group” that they simply go along to get along—the thought police see to it. The landscape is littered with bodies that dare challenge the left ... we are all familiar with the victims’ names. We all know the only unprotected group are heterosexual white males --or anyone of any ethnic stripe who challenges PC orthodoxy, eg,. Clarence Thomas, Michael Savage, Laura Schlessinger, David Duke, Ward Connerly, Tammy Bruce, etc. etc. etc.

The left used incrementalism, ie quasi-Fabian-socialism, to get us to where we are today. It will require incrementalism to untangle the mess we’re in. The question remains as to how to go about throwing off the PC burden we are being persecuted under?

Posted by dimwitted non-entity on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 at 01:07 PM | #


To “Dim-witted Non-entity”:  nothing in my comment is inconsistent with your comment’s last paragraph.  Ideas precede revolutions.  By all means, let’s go incrementally.  And when we arrive at the stage for making a final disposition of matters, let’s insist Jews and Euros live in separate countries, for the reason that Jews don’t know how to behave when living in Euro countries.  If your roommate constantly tries to assassinate you it’s time to change roommates and bar that particular one from ever being your roommate again.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 at 03:21 PM | #


captainchaos asks: What do you mean by “group metabolic pathways”?

If you think of group evolution as a kind of primitive cellular evolution, then “metabolic pathway” has the same meaning it does within cells:  The totality of genetic interactions within a cell leading to expression of cellular phenotypes.  Of course, when we are talking about groups of humans forming “cells” these metabolic pathways may include what Dawkins called Extended Phenotypes—phenotypes that extend beyond the bodies of the humans to form phenomena in their environment, including shaping the characteristics of other humans in ways that are adaptive for the genes so expressing themselves.

There are many candidates for such “group metabolic pathways” from genes or genetic correlation structures to ultimate phenotypes in human ecologies—but I’ll give one possible example now:

As described by Kevin MacDonald in “Understanding Jewish Influence II: Zionism and the Internal Dynamics of Judaism” Occidental Quarterly, vol. 3 no. 3:

These groups were highly authoritarian--another fundamental feature of Jewish social organization.  * Rabbis and other elite members of the community had extraordinary power over other Jews in traditional societies--literally the power of life and death.

A possible group metabolic pathway for such “rabbinic messianism” to arise within a minority population is alteration of parental behaviors to include parental posturing toward the general population, constrained only by destruction of the general population or prohabitions against the subpopulation. Within the Jewish community, this would mean relatively coevolved alloparenting toward members of the Jewish in-group, and outside the Jewish community it would take the form of historic examples of alloparenting behavior toward populations that were unwilling to suffer such impositions.

If this were to be the case one should look for genes that mediate parenting behavior including gender specific influences, and find alleles that may produce strange forms of alloparenting.

An example of such a gene has been identified in the case of the mouse where both male and female parenting behavior is profoundly and specifically affected by “knocking out” the progesterone receptor gene.  In male mice inhibiting progesterone has an enormous effect on parenting behavior—eliciting infant-attraction.

In the example theory given above, tests of the theory would attempt to find a high incidence of unusual progesterone receptor genes, and/or epistatic influences on same, among Jewish subpopulations.

In the absence of systematic studies of Jewish population genetics, anecdotal reports inform us of promising avenues in which to invest. In the case of progesterone mediation and infant-attraction, there are anecdotal reports, usually labeled “anti-Semitic canards” of a high degree of pedophilia among Jewish males.  Although leadership in pedophilic circles is often focused on sensational events involving individuals such as the arrest of Issac Asimov’s son, there is quite a body of evidence building that this behavior is indemic among rabbis. While reports in the press, and portrayals in the motion picture industry, are predominantly of pedophilia by males seen as competing for resources with Jews, such as landed rural males (competing for women and political influence) and Catholic priests (competing for the moral high ground), one must remember that the media outlets are influenced far more by Jews than those with whom they compete for resources. Is this a case of what psychologists call “projection”?

More systematic study of the ancestral and religious background of child molesters is necessary, but it is clear that progesterone is a mediating factor in child molestation. As in male mice, the presence of progesterone inhibits infant-philic behavior human males so much that medroxyprogesterone acetate is even used to reduce child molester recidivism.

If a Jewish tendency toward child molestation is born out by statistical evidence and additional investigation of population genetics shows a substantial presence of progesterone antagonism alleles within Jewish males, those alleles are the basis for a hypothesis; testable against competing theories via what is often called the strong inference methodology.

Strong inference takes several competing theories, and tests them all in a standard—or statistically fair—way. The theory that still stands after this standard is applied to all theories is strongly inferred to be the winning theory—or best theory. It may yet be incorrect—as with any theory: merely awaiting the test that will possibly falsify it.  However, such a theory is the best for further investment.

Posted by James Bowery on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 at 05:03 PM | #


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/966952.html
Last update - 12:06 21/03/2008


Shattering a ‘national mythology’

By Ofri Ilani

Tags: Palestinians

Of all the national heroes who have arisen from among the Jewish people over the generations, fate has not been kind to Dahia al-Kahina, a leader of the Berbers in the Aures Mountains. Although she was a proud Jewess, few Israelis have ever heard the name of this warrior-queen who, in the seventh century C.E., united a number of Berber tribes and pushed back the Muslim army that invaded North Africa. It is possible that the reason for this is that al-Kahina was the daughter of a Berber tribe that had converted to Judaism, apparently several generations before she was born, sometime around the 6th century C.E.

According to the Tel Aviv University historian, Prof. Shlomo Sand, author of “Matai ve’ech humtza ha’am hayehudi?” ("When and How the Jewish People Was Invented?”; Resling, in Hebrew), the queen’s tribe and other local tribes that converted to Judaism are the main sources from which Spanish Jewry sprang. This claim that the Jews of North Africa originated in indigenous tribes that became Jewish - and not in communities exiled from Jerusalem - is just one element of the far- reaching argument set forth in Sand’s new book.

In this work, the author attempts to prove that the Jews now living in Israel and other places in the world are not at all descendants of the ancient people who inhabited the Kingdom of Judea during the First and Second Temple period. Their origins, according to him, are in varied peoples that converted to Judaism during the course of history, in different corners of the Mediterranean Basin and the adjacent regions. Not only are the North African Jews for the most part descendants of pagans who converted to Judaism, but so are the Jews of Yemen (remnants of the Himyar Kingdom in the Arab Peninsula, who converted to Judaism in the fourth century) and the Ashkenazi Jews of Eastern Europe (refugees from the Kingdom of the Khazars, who converted in the eighth century).
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Unlike other “new historians” who have tried to undermine the assumptions of Zionist historiography, Sand does not content himself with going back to 1948 or to the beginnings of Zionism, but rather goes back thousands of years. He tries to prove that the Jewish people never existed as a “nation-race” with a common origin, but rather is a colorful mix of groups that at various stages in history adopted the Jewish religion. He argues that for a number of Zionist ideologues, the mythical perception of the Jews as an ancient people led to truly racist thinking: “There were times when if anyone argued that the Jews belong to a people that has gentile origins, he would be classified as an anti-Semite on the spot. Today, if anyone dares to suggest that those who are considered Jews in the world ... have never constituted and still do not constitute a people or a nation - he is immediately condemned as a hater of Israel.”

According to Sand, the description of the Jews as a wandering and self-isolating nation of exiles, “who wandered across seas and continents, reached the ends of the earth and finally, with the advent of Zionism, made a U-turn and returned en masse to their orphaned homeland,” is nothing but “national mythology.” Like other national movements in Europe, which sought out a splendid Golden Age, through which they invented a heroic past - for example, classical Greece or the Teutonic tribes - to prove they have existed since the beginnings of history, “so, too, the first buds of Jewish nationalism blossomed in the direction of the strong light that has its source in the mythical Kingdom of David.”

So when, in fact, was the Jewish people invented, in Sand’s view? At a certain stage in the 19th century, intellectuals of Jewish origin in Germany, influenced by the folk character of German nationalism, took upon themselves the task of inventing a people “retrospectively,” out of a thirst to create a modern Jewish people. From historian Heinrich Graetz on, Jewish historians began to draw the history of Judaism as the history of a nation that had been a kingdom, became a wandering people and ultimately turned around and went back to its birthplace.

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Sand: “My initial intention was to take certain kinds of modern historiographic materials and examine how they invented the ‘figment’ of the Jewish people. But when I began to confront the historiographic sources, I suddenly found contradictions. And then that urged me on: I started to work, without knowing where I would end up. I took primary sources and I tried to examine authors’ references in the ancient period - what they wrote about conversion.”

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Inventing the Diaspora

“After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people remained faithful to it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom” - thus states the preamble to the Israeli Declaration of Independence. This is also the quotation that opens the third chapter of Sand’s book, entitled “The Invention of the Diaspora.” Sand argues that the Jewish people’s exile from its land never happened.

“The supreme paradigm of exile was needed in order to construct a long-range memory in which an imagined and exiled nation-race was posited as the direct continuation of ‘the people of the Bible’ that preceded it,” Sand explains. Under the influence of other historians who have dealt with the same issue in recent years, he argues that the exile of the Jewish people is originally a Christian myth that depicted that event as divine punishment imposed on the Jews for having rejected the Christian gospel.

“I started looking in research studies about the exile from the land - a constitutive event in Jewish history, almost like the Holocaust. But to my astonishment I discovered that it has no literature. The reason is that no one exiled the people of the country. The Romans did not exile peoples and they could not have done so even if they had wanted to. They did not have trains and trucks to deport entire populations. That kind of logistics did not exist until the 20th century. From this, in effect, the whole book was born: in the realization that Judaic society was not dispersed and was not exiled.”

If the people was not exiled, are you saying that in fact the real descendants of the inhabitants of the Kingdom of Judah are the Palestinians?

“No population remains pure over a period of thousands of years. But the chances that the Palestinians are descendants of the ancient Judaic people are much greater than the chances that you or I are its descendents. The first Zionists, up until the Arab Revolt [1936-9], knew that there had been no exiling, and that the Palestinians were descended from the inhabitants of the land. They knew that farmers don’t leave until they are expelled. Even Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, the second president of the State of Israel, wrote in 1929 that, ‘the vast majority of the peasant farmers do not have their origins in the Arab conquerors, but rather, before then, in the Jewish farmers who were numerous and a majority in the building of the land.’”

And how did millions of Jews appear around the Mediterranean Sea?

“The people did not spread, but the Jewish religion spread. Judaism was a converting religion. Contrary to popular opinion, in early Judaism there was a great thirst to convert others. The Hasmoneans were the first to begin to produce large numbers of Jews through mass conversion, under the influence of Hellenism. The conversions between the Hasmonean Revolt and Bar Kochba’s rebellion are what prepared the ground for the subsequent, wide-spread dissemination of Christianity. After the victory of Christianity in the fourth century, the momentum of conversion was stopped in the Christian world, and there was a steep drop in the number of Jews. Presumably many of the Jews who appeared around the Mediterranean became Christians. But then Judaism started to permeate other regions - pagan regions, for example, such as Yemen and North Africa. Had Judaism not continued to advance at that stage and had it not continued to convert people in the pagan world, we would have remained a completely marginal religion, if we survived at all.”

How did you come to the conclusion that the Jews of North Africa were originally Berbers who converted?

“I asked myself how such large Jewish communities appeared in Spain. And then I saw that Tariq ibn Ziyad, the supreme commander of the Muslims who conquered Spain, was a Berber, and most of his soldiers were Berbers. Dahia al-Kahina’s Jewish Berber kingdom had been defeated only 15 years earlier. And the truth is there are a number of Christian sources that say many of the conquerors of Spain were Jewish converts. The deep-rooted source of the large Jewish community in Spain was those Berber soldiers who converted to Judaism.”

Sand argues that the most crucial demographic addition to the Jewish population of the world came in the wake of the conversion of the kingdom of Khazaria - a huge empire that arose in the Middle Ages on the steppes along the Volga River, which at its height ruled over an area that stretched from the Georgia of today to Kiev. In the eighth century, the kings of the Khazars adopted the Jewish religion and made Hebrew the written language of the kingdom. From the 10th century the kingdom weakened; in the 13th century is was utterly defeated by Mongol invaders, and the fate of its Jewish inhabitants remains unclear.

Sand revives the hypothesis, which was already suggested by historians in the 19th and 20th centuries, according to which the Judaized Khazars constituted the main origins of the Jewish communities in Eastern Europe.

“At the beginning of the 20th century there is a tremendous concentration of Jews in Eastern Europe - three million Jews in Poland alone,” he says. “The Zionist historiography claims that their origins are in the earlier Jewish community in Germany, but they do not succeed in explaining how a small number of Jews who came from Mainz and Worms could have founded the Yiddish people of Eastern Europe. The Jews of Eastern Europe are a mixture of Khazars and Slavs who were pushed eastward.”

‘Degree of perversion’

If the Jews of Eastern Europe did not come from Germany, why did they speak Yiddish, which is a Germanic language?

“The Jews were a class of people dependent on the German bourgeoisie in the East, and thus they adopted German words. Here I base myself on the research of linguist Paul Wechsler of Tel Aviv University, who has demonstrated that there is no etymological connection between the German Jewish language of the Middle Ages and Yiddish. As far back as 1828, the Ribal (Rabbi Isaac Ber Levinson) said that the ancient language of the Jews was not Yiddish. Even Ben Zion Dinur, the father of Israeli historiography, was not hesitant about describing the Khazars as the origin of the Jews in Eastern Europe, and describes Khazaria as ‘the mother of the diasporas’ in Eastern Europe. But more or less since 1967, anyone who talks about the Khazars as the ancestors of the Jews of Eastern Europe is considered naive and moonstruck.”

Why do you think the idea of the Khazar origins is so threatening?

“It is clear that the fear is of an undermining of the historic right to the land. The revelation that the Jews are not from Judea would ostensibly knock the legitimacy for our being here out from under us. Since the beginning of the period of decolonization, settlers have no longer been able to say simply: ‘We came, we won and now we are here’ the way the Americans, the whites in South Africa and the Australians said. There is a very deep fear that doubt will be cast on our right to exist.”

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Posted by Robert Reis on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 at 06:26 PM | #


Interesting stuff, James. But I hope you realize you’re committing a crime by speculating along those lines.

Anti-Semitism, Sexual Abuse, and The Jewish Community

When it comes to child molestation, we need to say and believe in our hearts --"NEVER AGAIN!” We need to do this in a public venue. It’s the only way for things to change. Yes, anti-Semitic groups have, and will continue to use any information they can get their hands on to promote hate. Yes, they have used some of the information posted on The Awareness Center’s web page. When this occurs, The Awareness Center’s policy is to make reports to the FBI (http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp), and to encourage others to do the same. Don’t forget—hate is a crime in the United States, as in many other countries. Hate is a topic we need to speak out publicly about, just as we do about childhood sexual abuse. We need to do our part by reporting all forms of violent behavior, including hate crimes on the Internet.

http://theawarenesscenter.org/

Posted by Nux Gnomica on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 at 07:37 PM | #


Is there such a thing as a “Brown” race?  Is there such a thing as a “Yellow” Race?

Is it not kind of moronic to name races by “color”? Is that not simpleton?

Doesn’t Race follow closely the taxonomy of Language?  Don’t we say “Frenchmen” because they speak “French”? and they reside in Europe?  Don’t we say “German” because they speak, German?  All these groups are called “Indo-Europeans”.  I will never use the “Color” to describe a race. For me there is NO such thing as a “White” race. I’m Indo-European.  NOT White!

Posted by WLindsayWheeler on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 at 09:24 PM | #


Actually you are a European Caucasian.

Posted by Guessedworker on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 at 10:36 PM | #


James Bowery: thanks for the info., most informative.

Posted by captainchaos on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 at 10:47 PM | #


The folks over at AMREN and Jared Taylor especially, are ‘traif.’

Unclean.... and liars, all.

John 8:44

Posted by Fr. John on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 01:43 PM | #


And if Jews don’t want the southern half of California on grounds it’s all Mexican, too bad:  they’re the ones who made it that way.  It used to be all white till they ruined it.  As the retail-store clerk’s saying goes, “You broke it, you’ve bought it!”

Bravo, Fred!

Posted by dimmest of majorityrights groupies on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 02:12 PM | #


Dimwitted Non-Entity said yesterday:  “...isn’t it evident the left (controlled mainly by Jews) has a visegrip on our culture? We now live in a culture dominated by protected groups. People in general are so afraid of offending anyone who is a “protected group” that they simply go along to get along—the thought police see to it. The landscape is littered with bodies that dare challenge the left ... we are all familiar with the victims’ names.”

At some point, white American, Canadian, Australian, and European peoples are going to have to sort out posters to discern their purposes. For example, one frequent line is “blame the whites” for their losses in prestige and self-confidence. This is a message of despair and it is demoralizing to boot. When spotted, the poster should be denounced for injuring our folk as we develop tactics in this conflict.

Another example is “it’s too late” to make changes. Mark Steyn embodies this propaganda line and, when noticed, the poster and his message should be denounced.

Another example is “we can’t challenge the left” which is totally inaccurate. People who spread this line should be denounced. Our group on the west coast has pioneered a way to challenge the left by a combination of “attacking from the left” and “criticizing the individual, not the group.” This is not a difficult skill set.

Posted by Bo on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 05:43 PM | #


"When spotted, the poster should be denounced for injuring our folk as we develop tactics in this conflict.”

First of all we, we have to identify the enimie and then fully understand the nature of enemy we are in conflict with. Who are are our enemies, and what are their strengths and weaknesses? HOW CAN WE FIGHT THE BEAST??? The smartest minds are still groping for answers.

Bo, who and or or what do you beleive we are fighting against?

What tactics, if any, have been developed so far to fight back with? The Internet?

I’m ready to fight!

One thing for sure, the enimie is drowning us in a sea of color and time is running out.

We can gage by demographic trends where we stand in this battle to survive.

Sorry, but can’t win this thing by hiding from the truth. Hiding from the truth is what the live-in-a-bubble-white-liberals do.

Posted by dimwitted non-entity on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 06:51 PM | #


For example, one frequent line is “blame the whites” for their losses in prestige and self-confidence. This is a message of despair and it is demoralizing to boot. When spotted, the poster should be denounced for injuring our folk as we develop tactics in this conflict.

Ah yes, foundational conservatism – the default position for which is fear.  Always, fear.  People like that are thin-skinned, sensitive, adverse to physical work, and easily demoralized.  Let’s direct our appeal to those people – the fence sitters, the wait and see before crawling out of bed crowd, the pensioners, the little dividending upper middle class wannabes, and if we’re really slick about it, a few yuppies.  They are the important ones, the people who really matter, the elite.  How so?  Because they are going to vote us out this situation without us having to lift a finger.  They are going to Secretly Infiltrate The System and Takeover!  Plus, well, they say they have high IQs!  And we’re impressed by that!  And we can use IQ to justify not only our failure to provide leadership, but their failure as well!  We certainly don’t want to alienate those people by saying they are morally culpable for the present situation.  After all that could turn on us, resulting in an indictment of our easy online racialism.  That would be truly, truly demoralizing and just plain goes too far!  After all, book sales are up!  Donations to Linder and Bill White are increasing!  More people are needed to send donations and support us in our important work!  We must denounce all truth-tellers in the strongest terms possible! 

We must continue:

Playing (faux) classist games:

--Hit the ignore button.

Playing the cyber-geek in the basement game:

-- “Nigger in the woodpile alert!”
--“Itz Coming!”

Enhancing personal credibility by allying with convicted felons who have:

--Picked Morris Dee’s brains.
--Demonstrated advanced bomb-making skills.
--Sprayed a synagogue or popped a Pilipino letter-carrier.

Yes, denounce!  Preserve the symbiotic nature of the easy online racialist status quo!  That’s the way to do it!  Donations for nothing and tatted chicks for free.

Posted by dimmestofthedimmestdimwits on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 08:41 PM | #


Gee, I hope nobody figures out my identity!  Ssshhhh....

Europids -> comprised of two subgroups:

1.  Whites.
2.  Incidental whites.

Whites say, “I’m White.”
Incidental whites say, “I happen to be white.”

Whites value and own wealth.
Incidental whites value and own inflatable money.

Whites value in-Europid collectivism.
Incidental whites value in-Europid individualism.

White altruism extended to Europids first, out-Europid groups last.
Incidental white altruism extended to Europid ingroups first, Europid outgroups last.

Incidental whites are not White until they undergo behavior changes.  Until then, Whites owe them nothing.  Let’s drop the pose of the online status quo, take the moral high ground in word and deed, and become true racial liberators.

Posted by inorganicallystupid on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 10:48 PM | #


Nice little article on race over at Vdare.com.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 10:52 PM | #


"Europids -> comprised of two subgroups:

1.  Whites.
2.  Incidental whites.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thanks for your brilliant insights.

“Whites value and own wealth.”

Do you even know what wealth is? If so, Give examples of what you mean by owning “wealth.”

Posted by dimwitted non-entity on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 11:30 PM | #


My response to Blog Tragic/JWH

Blog tragic has posted a response at his blog where he goes by JWH.  JW’s response is piss-poor, full of strawmen, a rehash of what he posted here, and he doesn’t even link to the page he is critiquing.  His blog doesn’t allow comments.  He also posted his comment after my reply to him, and you can see all the issues that he has ignored.  Great job JW.

That is not surprising, coming from an individual who previously insisted, against all reason, that one of Noah Rosenberg’s earlier STRUCTURE findings showed that South Asians and Middle Easterners were, essentially, genetic Europeans with some East Asian or African “admixture.”

A pathetic strawman!  I argued for a European input into these populations, and didn’t solely rely on the Rosenberg study.  I mentioned that there was corroborating evidence from history and other genetic studies.  In my reply to him above, I mentioned lactase tolerance and SLC24A5 (skin color genetics) as two examples, but JW ignored it.  East Asians have achieved skin lightening via different genetics than Europeans, but why are the major skin lightening genetics in south Asians similar to those in Europeans even though one doesn’t expect natural selection to favor light skin in south Asia?  Why are the lactose tolerance genetics in South Asia similar to those in Europeans when African lactose tolerant populations have achieved the tolerance due to different genetics?  There is a lot more, but JW doesn’t bother. 

I predicted that with further analyses these populations would be distinguished by different predominant ancestries, even independent of “admixture” from East Asians or sub-Saharan Africans. This is clearly shown here.

JW mentions the recent Jun Li paper in Science, but he ignores the fact that even with 650,000 markers, the typical Palestinian has a substantial minority membership in the European cluster and many South Asians have a significant minority membership in the European cluster.

The same problem is evident in this latest issue, concerning the Ashkenazim. One study did not have the power to distinguish Ashkenazim from Europeans (particularly southern Europeans); later studies did have that power and thus demonstrated clear distinctions.

JW reiterates what I said and what was mentioned in the papers.  He is not adding any information or countering anything.

Just as the earlier Rosenberg study did not mean that South Asians and Middle Easterners are equivalent to Europeans (outside of “admixture”), so the earlier Seldin work did not mean that Ashkenazim are “southern Europeans.”

Same pathetic strawman as above.  JW doesn’t address the important issue in the Seldin paper, namely that the southern European goyim were closer to the Ashkenazi than to other Europeans (labeled northern), which has been upheld in the latest studies published in 2008.  So how does JW justify putting the southern European goyim with northern Europeans but exclude the Ashkenazi?  He doesn’t.

The later Seldin work continued looking at only Europeans and Jews, but used sufficient markers to cluster Jews separately. Interestingly, the Jews did not fall within the North/South continuum, but were “off” in their “own quadrant,” so to speak (crudely). The Price study also was able to separate Ashkenazi Jews from southern Europeans, never mind from northern Europeans as well.

I told JW to not bother with citing evidence that distinguishes the Ashkenazi from the southern European goyim.  I clearly stated that with sufficient markers closely related populations can be well separated, but this would not by itself justify placing these populations into separate races or justify excluding the Ashkenazi from the European grouping if JW insists on classifying the southern European goyim as European.

See here from Tian et al., Plos Genetics.

Looking at the Northern and Southern European clusters, you’ll find they lie along an upper left-lower right axis. If you look more closely at the designated ethnicities, you’ll also see that this “cluster axis” “just happens to” mirror a Northwest to Southeast geographic axis, with the Irish at one end and the Greeks at the other.

JW tries to convince the reader unfamiliar with principal components analysis. He doesn’t say that the principal component that separated the Ashkenazi from the southern European goyim explains a small fraction of the variance explained by the principal component that separates northern Europeans from the southern European goyim, and keep in mind that northern here includes all Europeans except those from the south.

JW knows very well that two populations within a race will be closer to each other than to a population in another race, and the clear find is that the southern European goyim are closer to the Ashkenazi than to other Europeans.  So how can JW genetically justify including the southern European goyim as part of European mankind but exclude the Ashkenazi?

But it is illogical to state that an interest in the Southern cluster impels one – from a genetic perspective – to also also have an interest in the Ashkenazi cluster.

JW critiques a non-sequitur, which I never implied.

Posted by J Richards on Thursday, March 27, 2008 at 12:32 AM | #


Reply to JW Part 2 – Salter’s question revisited

This will be a response to JW critiquing a non-sequitur that I never implied.  What are the ethnic genetic interests (EGI) costs to the English when 10,000 Bantu move in vs. when 10,000 Ashkenazi move in?

Blacks first.