Australian MP suggests abortion could lead to Muslim majority

Posted by Phil Peterson on February 13, 2006, 09:03 PM | #

But what about immigration?

Posted by Simon on February 14, 2006, 02:19 AM | #

If Dana Vale is so concerned that an abortion pill, prescribed by medical experts instead of a right wing catholic health minister, will lead to under population and as such turning Australia into a Muslim nation, then why doesn’t she support access to IVF treatment for lesbians and single women or adoption and marraige rights for same-sex couples?
Surely this would ensure Australia remain the SECULAR (not Christian or Muslim) nation it is today.
Muslim women have abortions too, in fact Islam is one of the few religions which actually permit abortion in certain circumstances.
Islam represents less than 1.5% of the population. Even Buddhists outnumber them. White Christians must be pretty weak if they can be so intimidated by such a small population.
Dana Vale’s comments are as ridiculous as the woman herself.
She is trying her hardest to convince the rest of the nation that the residents of the Sutherland Shire are all as stupid and narrow minded as her. I don’t buy that for one minute. She has effectively given her support to Cronulla rioters; the scum that had the audacity to call themselves Australian. The majority of whom did not come from the Shire. The people of “the Shire” are generally decent hard working people. As tolerant and progressive as anyone else. They range from aged pensioners & welfare recipients to working, middle and upper class. It is as multicultural as any other part of the nation, far more so than many others.
The very basis for racism is that we denigrate people for being from a different part of the world to us. To me slagging off the Sutherland Shire and its residents is nothing more than racism at its most basic level.
Dana Vale has shamed her electorate. She should resign her seat immediately and give way to someone who truly represents the views of the electorate.

Posted by Andrew on February 14, 2006, 03:32 AM | #

But Simon, you have to equate normality to that subject, the obvious answer is in Islam, they have children not to love and nurture, they use the kids for the NEW WESTERN Dhimmitude, as well as only being a breading terrorist factories. “Urbane terrorists”, some might graduate to International type Terrorism.
That sums it up conclusively.
Personally I think they, ------ Can’t say that.

But I did have a revelation the other night, from Allah: Stating he needs all the Moslems in heaven , as their was a Crusade going on, and all the dead Infidels are out numbering the Moslems and Virgins. And summoned them at once to defend his turf, so seya.

Posted by Simon on February 14, 2006, 04:07 AM | #

Religious & conservative fundamentalists are the same regardless of their ilk.
The religious right, all over the world, have taken over the political scene and this is leading to oppression.
As they get more and more entangled in the WTO, IMF, etc. nations are more and more they are ceding economic control and asserting “sovereignty” more in terms of clamping down on human rights using the language of cultural autonomy, most typically in stifling the rights of women, persecuting gays & lesbians, and declaring certain topics—that would challenge local authoritarians—in the name of religious purity or other cultural totems.
The debate on RU486 is a clamping down on the rights of women.
Dana Vale has only clouded the issue by throwing in a stupid comment about Australia becoming an Islamic nation.
By diverting your attention for a moment, they are hoping to block the legislation. It’s a desperate attempt to stifle debate from an increasing desperate government.

1.5% Muslim, 30% Atheist… well over 50% if people actually told the truth on their census forms.... most just fill it in by habit or family pressures...this also applies to the muslim figure, which I reckon is grossly exaggerated… most would be Atheists.
The Atheist Foundation of Australia (AFA) has a number of ex-muslims members now actively involved with them and our numbers continue to grow.
Australia will remain a SECULAR nation with an Atheist majority and hopefully with all forms of religion, superstition and conservatism eliminated.
BTW: Look for the AFA commercials currently screening on Channel 9.

Posted by Steve Edwards on February 14, 2006, 04:50 AM | #

Getting rid of superstition would be a wonderful thing, and we can start with Marxism, which has caused more death, destruction and misery than any other belief system in history.

Posted by Simon on February 14, 2006, 05:01 AM | #

Marxism has never been implemented in Australia, so christianity and capitalism should be first. Doing this would immediatley decrease, if not eliminate the impact of conservatives.

Posted by Steve Edwards on February 14, 2006, 05:20 AM | #

“Marxism has never been implemented in Australia”

Not from any lack of trying on the part of people like yourself!

“christianity and capitalism should be first...”

Gee, that sounds familiar. I wonder where that idea first came from? Hmmmhmmm.

Oh yes. The Soviet Union.

Simon, I do like your attempts to gain the moral high-ground for atheist anti-capitalists. Just one problem, tho’. The greatest mass murderers of the 20th Century were atheists (not to mention anti-capitalists)!

Posted by Steve Edwards on February 14, 2006, 05:25 AM | #

You also made an interesting comment in claiming that the WTO and the IMF were in some manner impinging on the “rights” of women and homosexuals.

Not that I support redistributive rackets such as the IMF (or the UN for that matter), but you should substantiate your claim.

Posted by Simon on February 14, 2006, 06:03 AM | #

Look in your own backyard first.
Hitler was a christian.
Even the vatican recognised and endorsed him as such.
So was Mussolini.
There are many other religious mass murderers in the pages of history and even the present day.
In nations where the majority claims to be christian, it is christianity which needs to be eliminated. In nations which claim judaism, it is judaism, for those that claim islam, then it is islam and so on.
Humans need to start believing in themselves, showing some conscience.
People often say they are opposed to socialism, yet they want (demand) pensions, health care, education, public transport, public roads and the like.
Lets not copy Dana Vale and try to blur the issue.
I note there is no reference to RU486 and the rights of western women.

Posted by Steve Edwards on February 14, 2006, 07:42 AM | #

You have conspicuously failed to respond to the fact that atheistic socialists massacred 100 million people over the last century, far more than all the fascists and religious fanatics combined. Why is that?

Posted by Steve Edwards on February 14, 2006, 07:44 AM | #

Oh, yeah, and you also failed to back up your previous unsubstantiated statement that the WTO and the IMF were somehow responsible for impinging on the rights of women and homosexuals.

Posted by Lurker on February 14, 2006, 10:23 AM | #

Simon - Mussolini! He hardly rates at all in mass murder terms. Not even in the top ten, or top twenty.

Posted by Mark Richardson on February 14, 2006, 11:10 AM | #

Simon, the Macquarie dictionary defines religion as being “the quest for the values of the ideal life”. Most intellectuals, therefore, are highly “religious” whether they believe in the supernatural or not.

The dominant religion in the West today is not Christianity, but liberalism.

Liberalism is a religion which derives from a particular ideology, and it is not strongly grounded in reality.

The reaction to Danna Vale’s comments is a good illustration of this. Mainstream liberals have responded either by calling her names or by denying that the mass immigration of Muslims and their higher fertility rate is going to change the demographics of Australia.

The average liberal simply doesn’t want to know and will do anything to avoid knowing.

Liberals can keep on going this way for the moment because there is not yet an effective political opposition to call them to account, and because there are still places in Australia for liberals to escape to, away from the unsettling reality which they themselves have created.

Posted by Simon on February 14, 2006, 01:15 PM | #

Dana Vale is a member of the “Liberal” party, so please don’t use the word to describe Australian progressives.
Steve did you fail comprehension at school?
I suggest you learn to read. My original comment makes it abundantly clear.
I have never suggested communism or marxism as an alternative. I firmly believe in socialist principles in a democracy, which seem to be working OK in both Spain & Venezuala at the moment.
Nobody wants a dictatorship of any kind. Dictatorships become nothing but a replacement for religion. Dictators will oppress people. However in our society religion remains the main tool of oppression.
I’m not talking about eliminating christians (or muslims or jews etc)...converting them yes...opening their minds, releasing them from the mind control of the church and allowing them true freedom of thought.
Religions are multi national companies, we need to start treating them as such.
They need to be made to pay taxes and kept out of social services, health and education… those jobs belong to our elected governments.
Remember that Cuba is a Christian nation. Christain and communist are not mutually exclusive.
Hamas is a religious service, actually quite similar to Wesley Mission. Both deliver health, social and educational services, both have a political arm, both claim social justice but both use their political muscle to oppress.
Sure Wesley isn’t currently out there with guns and bombs, but then again Australia hasn’t experienced 50 odd years of Isreali occupation.
Now how about RU486?
127,000 people were born in Australia last year, the maximum amount of babies being born into muslim families would be around 0.5%.
White christians must be very wek if they consider such a small number to be a threat.

Posted by Steve Edwards on February 14, 2006, 03:12 PM | #

Nope. Still failed to explain how atheistic socialism killed 100 million people, far more than any other ideologies put together, AND why you still support it. And yet you tried to heap the the legacy of Hitler onto Christianity.

Say Simon, which university did you say you were at? I should transfer my post-grad degree to that veritable nest of geniuses!

Posted by Steve Edwards on February 14, 2006, 03:14 PM | #

“127,000 people were born in Australia last year, the maximum amount of babies being born into muslim families would be around 0.5%...”

Um, Simon, you should leave statistics (and literacy, for that matter) to those who have a modicum of competence in the field - you haven’t a clue!

Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 14, 2006, 03:37 PM | #

Simon is just a brainless wind-up doll that, once wound up, chatters endlessly without making sense.  Engaging with him is like beating your head against a brick wall.  I’ve learned to ignore him completely:  I skip over his highly noxious comments without so much as a glance—I see his name as the commenter and go immediately to the next one without pausing.

Posted by José María on February 14, 2006, 04:42 PM | #

Quite funny the statements of Simon, he is very ignorant in many fields:

-I support Cronulla rioters, at least they have tried to stop the abuse, rapes and beatings of Australians. It is quite obvious that you don´t care that Australians are treated that way in their own country. You are a sample of the corrupt elites that rule Australia or any other Western Nation and don´t care for their citizens just to follow your own Religion, Multiculturalism.

-Hitler or Mussolini Christians? You don´t know anything. Hitler believed in the infraworld, I would say rather that he was a Satanist, trying to make him a Christian to help in the long battle that Leftists are engaged against Christianity makes me laugh. Please inform you better.

-I firmly believe in socialist principles in a democracy, which seem to be working OK in both Spain & Venezuala
I cannot believe this, as a Spaniard I feel stunned. Where are the merits of PSOE in Spain? Homosexual marriage? Increase in the attacks on Christianity? Removal of troops from Irak? These are the only differences I find with the Right, because in economy he is following exactly the same path than conservatives.

And Venezuela is for you a good model? Oh my Lord! Have you listened to Hugo Chavez? He is a Christian! And he uses his power to preach in TV or Radio to the whole country!
Do you find logic that Venezuela, which is a country rich in oil, is living with so many inequities between its citizens, to the point that there are severe poverty?

Honestly Simon, I am amazed you read and write in this thoughtful blog.

Posted by JW Holliday on February 14, 2006, 05:21 PM | #

Jose M, glad to have you on board here.  I assume you are a Spanish nationalist?  It would be helpful to have input here from nationalists of various European nations.

I wish to put forth to you an idea which you may initially reject, but which I would like you to think about carefully.  In my opinion, nationalist ideals will progress only if we practice Frank Salter’s idea of “universal nationalism”, a “live and let live” scenario in which we grant others the rights to their national states while demanding that they honor our right to ours.

A turning point in nationalist progress will be when nationalist leaders move away from short-term concerns and conflicts and look to the long-term, broader view.

Therefore I suggest the following revolutionary idea - that Spanish nationalists come out in favor of Basque independence, with the important proviso that the Basques form their state on nationalist lines and do not import immigrants from outside Europe.  This is the sort of “it took Nixon to go to China” scenario, in which hardliners use their reputations to advocate changes that liberals/moderates cannot do due to fears of being labelled “soft” or “traitors.”

An opening like this could encourage other European peoples to settle their differences: English/Irish; Flemish/Walloons; Germans/Poles, etc.

I realize that many Spanish nationalists wish to keep the nation intact and oppose Basque independence.  But, the *real* enemy of the Spanish people are not the Basques, and vice versa.  Better, in my opinion, to have a Spain free of non-whites and without the Basques, then have the current situation.

There should be, I think, some sort of communication between Spanish racial nationalists and Basque separatists, to the aim of a mutual declaration of the rights of both peoples to enjoy their own nation state, free of foreign influences.

At least, think about this idea for a while.  If the Basques want their independence, and they are a distinct people, why not let them have it?

And then, Spaniards can demand *their* independence from the immigrants and aliens.

Posted by JW Holliday on February 14, 2006, 08:01 PM | #

Jose: a clarification- I am not saying that Spanish nationalists should embrace, or negotiate with, the ETA, just as I do not say that English nationalists should do the same for the IRA.  I’m not talking about neo-Marxists blowing off bombs.  I am talking about identifying “rightist” (from a racial-national perspective) Basque nationalists who want a “Basque-only homeland in a European Europe.” Just as, real Irish nationalists, those who reject multiculturalism, would be fitting negotiation partners, not the IRA.

So, basically, what I’m saying is either:-

a) identify Basque nationalists of the sort I’m talking about and deal with them, or

b) come out in principle for Basque independence, but make that dependent upon finding Basque nationalists - say “here we are, where are you?”

Posted by Mark Richardson on February 14, 2006, 09:21 PM | #

Simon you still don’t get it. It is your philosophy which has become the West’s religion. It is your philosophy which intrudes disruptively into people’s lives, more so than Christianity ever did. And it is your philosophy which refuses to ground itself in reality (hence the very obvious evasiveness when it comes to answering questions you don’t want to even think about).

Posted by Marc on February 14, 2006, 10:52 PM | #

I hope no one minds if I take a moment to comment on the actual issue at hand.  I’m firmly pro-life, but I have to admit that there is no real evidence that acess to abortion depresses the birth rate.  America has the most liberal abortion laws on the planet and the highest fertility rates in the industrialized world, whereas Poland effectively banned abortion in 1996 and saw its birth rate tumble for unrelated reasons. 

It would be nice if restoring human rights to the unborn would have the happy side effect of boosting the white birth rate, but in itself, I don’t see changes in the abortion laws being of any real effect to the prospects of the white preservationist movement. 

The one exception I can see to this might be in Eastern Europe and Russia, where repeated abortions have actually made a signficant number of women STERILE.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 14, 2006, 11:20 PM | #

“[I]n Eastern Europe and Russia [...] repeated abortions have actually made a signficant number of women STERILE.” (—Marc)

Chalk one up for Eastern Europe’s George-Soros-funded NGOs, looks like ... (those hyper-radical-leftist creeps must be dancing a jig over this news—success, beyond their wildest dreams, at bringing about a collapse of white birth rates! ...).

Posted by Simon on February 15, 2006, 03:44 AM | #

[quote]It is your philosophy which has become the West’s religion. It is your philosophy which intrudes disruptively into people’s lives, more so than Christianity ever did.

I think this answered your question. You really should do something about comprehension.

Nobody wants a dictatorship of any kind. Dictatorships become nothing but a replacement for religion. Dictators will oppress people. However in our society religion remains the main tool of oppression.

It is you guys who just don’t get it.
I’m not sure what the average income bracket is here, I’d assume working to middle class, not that it matters, there would be no Murdochs or Packers in this forum.
In our society, white people have a lot more in common with blacks, asains and arabs than they will ever have in common with rich people.

People often say they are opposed to socialism, yet they want (demand) pensions, health care, education, public transport, public roads and the like.

If less than 1.5% of the population can scare you that much. If such a small group can make you so paranoid and feel so inadequate, then I’d hate to think what a majority could do to you.

You talk about freedom of speech and association, yet nobody want to mention responsibility of such.
If you truly believe that being anything other than a white, english speaking, christian, hetrosexual, able bodied, male aged between 30-50 will give you extra benefits in our society, then I hope you wake up the exact opposit tomorrow, so that you may revel in the delights of being anything but.
It is so sad that none of you can see that.

BTW: Is Dana Vale one of the sexy white female politicians you referred to in a previous blog?
Do you think of her while you’re having a tug?
Still think I’d rather have Bachelet, but to each their own.

What a shame RU486 wasn’t available for Dana Vale’s mother.

Posted by Steve Edwards on February 15, 2006, 04:20 AM | #

Still haven’t answered any of my questions there Slimey. Or indeed,

“If less than 1.5% of the population can scare you that much.”

Okay, so there’s no apparently no bother with doing exactly what France did (and no doubt what you’d love to do) and making that figure 10%, right? It’s pretty clear that the French are terrified by their North African minorities (which are several times more fecund than the indigenous French) - so clearly there is a case for avoiding that undesirable scenario.

“Do you think of her while you’re having a tug?

Pfft! Dismal, Slimey! Next?

There you have it gentlemen - this is Australia’s future. Talking with us. Right now.

Posted by AD on February 15, 2006, 05:13 AM | #

Simon is an extremist homosexual/crossdresser lobbyist from Sydney(his IP and addy is listed on the AU-Redwatch site after comments he made on another site-i’m 99% sure it’s the same ‘Simon’) with an irrational fear of ‘christians’ and ‘conservatives’. He will therefore support any minority in the attack against what he perceives to be the hetereosexual white majority. He seems to have a special hate for white women.

He believes that for us to have the same rights to self determination as any majority populace= white priviledge. And any resistance to minority brutality, as happened in Cronulla(by males and females, many of them previous victims of brutality) makes one ‘scum’.

Any articulation of resistance to the forced race-replacement of whites, in his mind, is a sign of ‘irrational fear’. That is, he projects his own paranoia onto us. If our positions were articulated by any other race in any other country, his warped/retarded political views would dictate that he should support it. He probably also thinks marxism is actually a valid science.

He is representative of the liberal sickness and mental illness that has engulged much of the west. He feigns belief in things like free choice, yet any free choice that doesn’t conform to his worldview(like the will towards self determination expressed on this blog) and he turns into a wannabe dictator. In reality, he is nothing but an ugly little unemployed slimeball.

Is he human? I’m not sure.

Posted by AD on February 15, 2006, 05:32 AM | #

I wonder if Simone realises that the vast majority of the White Nationalist movement are neither ‘conservative’ nor ‘christian’, and that MR.com represents the least extreme racialist position? Can his retarded worldview fathom that or would his head explode?

Simone should visit a site like VNN to see the anti-Christian pro-white position.

Posted by Marcus on February 15, 2006, 07:07 AM | #

Dana Vale was, of course, citing a leading Australian based Imman/Mufti. It was the latter that said “Australia will be a Muslim country in 50 years.”

Posted by Al Ross on February 15, 2006, 07:33 AM | #

The traditional Roman Catholic stance on abortion is, for White Nationalists, merely an obfuscation. This is because the RCs aim in opposing abortion is the understandable (for them) avoidance of Divine Wrath and an eternity spent in Hell, whereas we who live in the real world wish to avoid the non-White dominated ‘Hell on Earth’ to which we would consign our descendants in the absence of a willingness to reproduce ourselves in sufficient numbers.

Posted by Al Ross on February 15, 2006, 07:35 AM | #

‘understandably’ for understandable.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 15, 2006, 07:44 AM | #

AD, thanks for spilling the beans on Simon.  I knew he had to be homosexual despite his two-time denial of it.

Posted by ben tillman on February 15, 2006, 08:16 AM | #

The very basis for racism is that we denigrate people for being from a different part of the world to us.

No, the basis of survival is that we discriminate between self and non-self.  To “denigrate” those who aggress against us is quite proper.

Posted by ben tillman on February 15, 2006, 08:24 AM | #

Simon is just a brainless wind-up doll....

What they really hate, Fred, is to be called an “automaton”.  Perhaps you will add that to your verbal arsenal.

Posted by ben tillman on February 15, 2006, 08:33 AM | #

José María, I wish to join JW Halliday in welcoming you, as we could all benefit from the perspective of a Spaniard.

Posted by José María on February 15, 2006, 10:06 AM | #

JW Holliday and ben tillman, thanks for your words. I would like to show respect and admiration for Majorityrights.com, I have read it for some weeks and I agree with you esentially, obviously there are always different views but agreement is far greater.

JW Holliday, yes I am a Spanish nationalist. Mass immigration and the troubles that create everywhere they go have turned my mind to it. In Spain we have two kinds of immigrants, Muslim and Hispanics, both are a nightmare, although Hispanics are less problematic.

I would not have ever thought that the White race and its civilization could be endangered to the point of disappearing or become a minority in their traditional homes. Leftists have created a bery big problem for everybody and I am pessimistic about our future, however I will fight to avoid our end.

“Universal nationalism” is a very good point, in fact is the defence of every race, and in our case is to strugle for our own survival.

that Spanish nationalists come out in favor of Basque independence, with the important proviso that the Basques form their state on nationalist lines and do not import immigrants from outside Europe. 

I agree with that point but I would say that I don´t have any problem with allowing immigration if they are Whites. I feel a common culture with Whites everywhere and I don´t feel them as enemies, rather I consider them friends.

Posted by Amalek on February 15, 2006, 10:51 AM | #

Welcome, Jose Maria.

Facing the sun in my new shirt
that you embroidered in red yesterday,
I will wear it to my death
if I do not return to you.
I’ll take my place alongside my comrades
who stand on guard in the heavens,
with a hard countenance,
they are alive in our effort.
If they say to you that I fell,
know that I’m gone to my place up there.
The flags of victory will return
marching merrily along peace
and bringing five red roses:
the arrows of my quiver.
Laughter will return in the springtime,
by the sky, earth, and sea, we await its return.
Onwards, squadrons, to victory,
that a new day dawns on Spain!
Spain united!
Spain great!
Spain free!
Onwards Spain!

Posted by Mark Richardson on February 15, 2006, 11:09 AM | #

Danna Vale has found one influential supporter: Sydney radio host Alan Jones. AD would know more about the politics of Jones than I do, but he seems to be the most outspoken figure in the Australian media.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 15, 2006, 02:02 PM | #

José María, your comment of 10:06 AM was very moving.  Thank you for posting it. 

May God bless and protect your nation and preserve it into the future!

Posted by AD on February 15, 2006, 04:09 PM | #

Posted by Steve Edwards on February 15, 2006, 07:02 PM | #

Umm. What’s up with the photo?

Posted by AD on February 15, 2006, 07:29 PM | #

the politics of Jones

Similar to Sophie Panopolous.

What’s up with the photo?

It’s for Simon(e).

Posted by Steve Edwards on February 15, 2006, 09:28 PM | #

Oh. I thought it might be of Simon.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 15, 2006, 10:36 PM | #

“Oh. I thought it might be of Simon.”

LOLOL!!!

Well ... it certainly fits my mental image of him, Steve ...

Posted by friedrich braun on February 15, 2006, 11:01 PM | #

Muslims are funny:

http://www.glumbert.com/media/rave.html

Posted by Steve Edwards on February 16, 2006, 08:18 AM | #

Very excitable, aren’t they?

Posted by Simon on February 16, 2006, 02:14 PM | #

Danna Vale has found one influential supporter: Sydney radio host Alan Jones.

The same Alan Jones who was arrested in a London toilet. The same Alan Jones who publicly supported “the chasers” send up of “tilting Australia” so that more water would flow to the centre of it.
Great credentials.

The RU468 debate is now over, with a resounding victory to common sense… and a huge slap in the face to Tony Abbott.

BTW: I don’t want the Muslim figure to be 10%… I think 10% is too high for any religion… even as a combined total of all religions… with the one exception being Essendon.

Posted by Steve Edwards on February 16, 2006, 02:35 PM | #

“I think 10% is too high for any religion...”

Especially for Marxism - if I thought 10% of Australians were in any way sympathetic to the mass murder of 100 million people and the destruction of countless livelihoods, I’d be very worried.

Posted by Simon on February 16, 2006, 04:28 PM | #

Marxism isnt a religion, its a political ideology.
Again your having problems in not being able to read, go and have another look...or perhaps get your carer to do it for you.

Posted by Simon on February 16, 2006, 04:36 PM | #

BTW ... AD...you have absolutely no idea do you?
Just make it up as you go along right?
You think that calling someone gay is an insult.... it aint… only a total loser would think it was.
Redwatch...what a crock… here’s something better
http://www.fightdemback.com

Posted by Guessedworker on February 16, 2006, 05:11 PM | #

Marxism is many things, including political Judaism.  As practical politics it is always marked by aggression of a power elite against the individual.  The Marxist assumption of unlimited power always visits upon the innocent unlimited aggression.

Marxians sans power, such as petty believers among academia and the studentry, are very often driven by conspicuous psychological considerations.  It should be plain enough by now that it is NOT a healthy politic because it kills so many people, and when it doesn’t kill them it destroys their prosperity and their natural peace and contentment - the furtherance of which ought to be every politicians glad service.

To be a Marxist and a homosexualist is rotten luck.  But one of these is, at least theoretically, your choice, Simon.  For that alone you should expect to catch a certain amount of flak.

Posted by Steve Edwards on February 16, 2006, 05:35 PM | #

Some bearded crank in the 19th century dreams up a perfect world where nobody is compelled to work and everyone gets everything they ever wanted. Sounds like a religion to me.

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on February 16, 2006, 07:33 PM | #

Marxism strikes me more as a tool than a real ideology.  It’s perfect for stirring up the masses against the existing order, but not much else.

Maybe that’s why I see so many parallels with the American Democrats.

Posted by Guessedworker on February 16, 2006, 08:22 PM | #

The Dems became the home of the rats who left the sinking ACP ship during the HUAC era.

Posted by Mark Richardson on February 16, 2006, 08:54 PM | #

Simon, Marxism is the classic secular religion. It is how some young people try to find meaning in their lives and so it draws a powerful emotional commitment.

Because intellectuals are generally people who can’t just live for the moment, they are peculiarly susceptible to searching for meaning through secular religions like Marxism. They are going to create a heaven on earth, you see, a final end point of history in which we’ll all hold hands together peacefully (and it doesn’t matter how many bodies it takes to get there ... what was it Steve? 100 million so far?)

Posted by Andrew on February 17, 2006, 06:00 PM | #

Alan Jones is close friends to our PM John Howard.
Jonsie is OK, but with the broadcasting restraints , he has to throw a curve ball on some subjects, but as AD will Quantify, Jim Ball from Midnight to dawn- has the PC basket case some what shrink wrapped and shoved in the Iron clad safe, and travel very close to the Guide lines dictated and forced upon us.

You have to concede; 2 GB in Sydney has changed and influenced a lot of political bastardies that transpired over the last few years and for the effort of the broadcasters has given truth back to the people, I say that because it is the people of Normal day to Day living that discuss this on air. A reason why Alan Jones is the highest rating breakfast program in Australia of all time.
Jim Ball is the highest rating broadcaster in Sydney, with 30% of the listening audience. And that does not include audiences from “around Australia”, and there is a lot, even International patronage is high.
And they are Rational normal thinking people, just like us- Not you Simon, the ABC is your baby- a Tax Payer Funded Revolutionary Parasite. Money Grows on your Brain cells with that philosophy you possess- then you must prepare to remain broke and dumb- you are achieving both objectives I see.