Containment of Islam or its annihilation? asks Muslim apostate

Posted by Guessedworker on July 11, 2007, 09:39 PM | #

Ed Husain’s well-aired view that suicide bombers want to strike at Western liberalism is very popular in the Brit attachment to the War Party.  But the bomber boys are tools.  It’s not the wants of tools but of carpenters that should concern us first.

The carpenters, of course, do not tell us their wants.  They tell us that they will exploit every possible opportunity.  Anything will do, actually:-

Osama Bin Laden’s deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, has threatened to retaliate against Britain for giving a knighthood to novelist Salman Rushdie.

The 20-minute audiotape was posted on a website used by Islamic militants.

A Downing Street spokesman said: “We will not allow terrorists to undermine the British way of life.”

Sir Salman’s book The Satanic Verses sparked protests by Muslims around the world and led to Iran issuing a fatwa in 1989, ordering his execution.

In a 20-minute recording, the al-Qaeda second-in-command said the group was preparing a “very precise response” to the British knighthood.

Addressing Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Zawahiri said: “I say to Blair’s successor that the policy of your predecessor drew catastrophes in Afghanistan and Iraq and even in the centre of London.”

In the speech, entitled Malicious Britain and its Indian Slaves, Zawahiri was quoted as warning Mr Brown: “If you did not learn the lesson then we are ready to repeat it, God willing, until we are sure you have fully understood.”

The former Egyptian surgeon, who is believed to be the architect of the al-Qaeda ideology, said Britain’s award for Indian-born Sir Salman was an insult to Islam.

Posted by Guessedworker on July 11, 2007, 10:32 PM | #

As to the question of containment or annihilation, we are back to Endlösung (always assuming that we were there in the first place, and that might not be wise).  The question you ask is: Which is the more humane solution to the problem of these “angry men”?  Perhaps the more intelligent question for us is: Which is the more practical and final solution for the majority?

Posted by Scimitar on July 11, 2007, 11:22 PM | #

Can’t say that I feel any rousing desire in my gut to “defend freedom” as currently understood in the West. If the ragheads want to blow up liberals and multiculturalists, I would rather sit back, eat some popcorn, and watch the fireworks. Maybe the experience will teach them a moral lesson. I have no interest in “defending our way of life.”

Posted by Guessedworker on July 11, 2007, 11:50 PM | #

Liberalism is only an idea, Scimitar, and so is Allah.  Blood is something else, and one drop of ours is too much for the sake of any bleeding idea.  I would defend our liberals not as liberals but as members of my ethny in whom I have a certain investment, or interest.

Posted by Ernest on July 12, 2007, 03:34 AM | #

I tend to agree with Scimitar. What exactly are we defending? The multicultural morass that wants to destroy us as much as said Muslims?

Posted by Anon on July 12, 2007, 04:33 AM | #

I have to agree with Guessedworker.  Liberal and leftist whites are still whites, as much as I hate to admit it.  Blood is thicker than water.  I also happen to hate muslims more than white liberals in any case.  And in my eyes, the only people who have a right to punish whites are whites.

Posted by Scimitar on July 12, 2007, 05:31 AM | #

GW,

You can’t defend people who refuse to defend themselves. Alex likes to say “no way out but through the Jew.” In the U.K., there is “no way out but through liberalism.” Solving the Muslim Question in Britain necessarily requires dispensing with religious tolerance, non-discrimination, “equality” and “freedom” as liberals understand the terms. You know this as well as I do. Until that happens, and only liberal themselves can bring this about, all we can really do is sit on the sidelines and comment.

Posted by Scimitar on July 12, 2007, 05:33 AM | #

Note: They aren’t going to do it without more 7/7s either.

Posted by Desmond Jones on July 12, 2007, 05:38 AM | #

It’s not about Islam. It’s about targeting whites. The Zebra killers, members of the Nation of Islam did not try to convert their victims. They killed them because they were white. The bastards that killed Kris Donald did not try to convert him. He was targeted because he was white. The brown bastards that stabbed to death Keith Brown would have done so even if he had praised Allah. Brown was killed because of the colour of his skin.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=1601

The only force in modern day Britain powerful enough to dispense with liberalism is Islam.

Posted by danielj on July 12, 2007, 05:56 AM | #

I agree Fred.

It was designed to intentially stir up the hornet’s nest.

Although I don’t know what to belive anymore on the news.

The last American “terrorists” was well connected to CIA airline front companies and drug dealing - and possibly had an Afghan connection from the eighties.

I think we should all just turn off the news.

Posted by Alex Zeka on July 13, 2007, 09:21 AM | #

GW,

The question you ask is: Which is the more humane solution to the problem of these “angry men”? 

That was meant as a rhetorical question for any unconvinced lurkers. The point was that culture cons/WNs/immigration restrictionists are proposing the more humane solution to our current difficulties; and by extension that multicultis aren’t being humane, they’re sacrificing their own people.

Posted by Proofreader on July 14, 2007, 09:03 AM | #

It has to be containment or annihilation

Why phrase it as a choice? My advice is containment AND deportation.
Muslims, when left on their own in their lands, either starve, or kill each other in tribal or sectarian warfare. No need to annihilate them. Islam is slowly killing them anyway.

Once we rid the West of Muslims we won´t have to care about their fate. Let them save themselves if they can. It´s only our own welfare and survival we should care about.

Posted by Alex Zeka on July 14, 2007, 12:39 PM | #

Proofreader,

Containment means keeping Muslims in their homelands, annihilation means either conversion (which is very unlikely in sufficient numbers) or extermination.

Posted by Peter North on July 14, 2007, 01:46 PM | #

Fred Scrooby is right.

The only possible explanation for Rushdie’s knighthhod is as an act of sheer spite from Tony Blair in a fit of pique, knowing that his whole career and reputation has been thoroughly destroyed by the actions of muslims in Iraq and during the London tube bombings.
The AQ leadership is intelligent and perceptive enough to understand the meaning of this unambiguous, petulant little insult.
‘Tis a pity that the broken nail-racked bodies of Londoners will have to pay the price for Blair’s little act of nastiness and revenge.

Posted by Al Ross on July 15, 2007, 12:59 AM | #

An outrage the Rushdie knighthood may well be, but if we look at the ‘Media and Arts Committee’ which recommended the misplaced honour, a familiar pattern emerges.

The Chairman is a Jew, Lord Rothschild. Three other members of the committee are also Chosenites, viz., Jenny Abramski (Head of BBC Radio), Gail Rebuck (CEO of publisher, Random House) and John Gross (Intellectual-at-large and theatre critic of The Sunday Times).

Clearer now?

Posted by Proofreader on July 15, 2007, 10:58 AM | #

Alex Zeka:

If annihilation means either conversion or extermination, I´m against it. I´m against the former measure for obvious EGI reasons; against the latter because deportation is easier than extermination, and ultimately almost as efficient.
Life in Dar-al-Islam entails a long-term death sentence : poverty, sectarian strife and backwardness.
Containment should have been enacted into law decades ago: no Muslims allowed anywhere in the West.

Posted by a Finn on July 17, 2007, 01:33 AM | #

Muslims are more easily understood when their demands, threats, violence and their constantly felt outrages are rendered to be what they are; power play. They are meant to nudge part by part our power away from us and to the muslims: “No, you can’t have freedom of speech and criticize our God and religion, or we kill you, but we can criticize and despise yours’.” “You must accommadate our demands, like separate sports classes, separate swimming times, halal food, prayer times during work day, head scarves, islamist teaching, multicultural special support/money etc., but we don’t have to accommodate your culture. And if we deign to accommodate you, it’s just a ploy to infiltrate your society, thus it is given approval by islam.” “We must have affirmative action and “racism againt muslims” must be fought everywhere, so that natives become helpless and we can gain access to your best education and jobs. No, you can’t have access to our organizations’ and institutions’ power positions and networks.” We arrange multicultural discussion forums and mutual understanding clubs, so that your elites and their enthusiastic helpers can babble endlessly in vain.” “We must be able to build mosques in your countries and convert your people. No you can’t do any Christian missionary work in our countries and build new churches. By the way if somebody is caught doing missionary work, he is severely punished and if a muslim converts to some other religion he is killed.” “You must sustain liberal immigration and respect our human rights. We either don’t allow other ethnicities to immigrate to our countries, or if we do, we will never give foreigners full citizens’ rights.”

Yes, liberalism is a deadly plague in our societies. But it is wrong to assume, that because there is some competition between diseases, it would be beneficial to let deadly small pox to invade our societies. We don’t have to luxury to watch the new advancing disease like it would be entertainment.

To Fred: Information on the leftist organizations (click the names):

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/summary.asp?object=Organization&category=

Ford foundation can be found here, notice others also, e.g. George Soros’ Open society institute:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/funders.asp

Here is their own pages:

http://www.fordfound.org/

Posted by a Finn on July 17, 2007, 03:33 AM | #

To Fred: You’re welcome.

Posted by sue on July 18, 2007, 10:40 AM | #

POLICE are making a fresh appeal for anyone who might have seen a robbery which left a 15-year-old unconscious.

The robbery occurred when the teenager was walking a female friend home along Marsden Hall Road, Nelson.

They were approached by several unknown Asian males in a dark coloured car, who shouted abuse at them.

The men chased the youth up Hallam Road, where they caught up with him and hit him on the head.

They then beat him until he was unconscious before stealing his trainers and two mobile phones.

The teenager suffered only minor injuries and woke up in the grounds of Castercliffe School and had no idea how he got there.

DC Simon Robinson, who is investigating the attack said: “This incident was totally unprovoked and this young man was lucky to escape with only minor injuries.”
THIS HAPPENED TO A CHILD N WOT WILL BE DONE...........THIS IS HAPPENING EVERYDAY NOW WHERE I LIVE BUT NOTHING EVER HAPPENS - BUT THE SITUATION REVERSED - WE DONT HEAR THE LAST OF IT

Posted by sue on July 18, 2007, 02:31 PM | #

Hiya again, maybe people have been voting incorrectly, I know in Nelson there is a bnp representative but not 1 for every ward and on the last 2 elections, when we went to vote you were greated (ha ha) by pushy asians wanting your vote, my partner and I walked in got our voting slips n wrote bnp right across it and left, but as for the violence I could go on and on, only this friday my nephew was jumped for being white, he has now got a broken cheekbone and 2 bruised eye sockets but he wont seek police involvement because of the comeback, this i might add wasnt an asian but an halfcast with a chip on his shoulder because he doesnt know where he belongs all because his mother couldnt keep her knickers on

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 18, 2007, 08:39 PM | #

“when we went to vote you were greeted (ha ha) by pushy asians wanting your vote, my partner and I walked in got our voting slips n wrote bnp right across it and left” (—Sue)

God bless you for that, Sue!

Posted by sue on August 06, 2007, 03:30 PM | #

Just a quick question (wasnt sure where to post this)......why are there not more bnp candidates in lancashire, if you read the comments left in This is Lancashire regarding the elderly lady of 77yrs who was robbed by an asian and about the attack in Blackburn on a white lad by another asian, surely if the comments are right then there should be more candidates as people are getting to the point of realisation that we should be standing up for our selves instead of keeping our mouths shut so were not classed as racists .....hope this makes sense, i know it does in my head lol.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 08, 2007, 12:55 AM | #

“why are there not more bnp candidates in lancashire [...] there should be more candidates as people are getting to the point of realisation that we should be standing up for our selves instead of keeping our mouths shut” (—Sue)

Sue, I’m sure the BNP would be delighted to hear from you about this question.  In the “Links” column over in the left-hand margin of this page is a link to them.  As a Yank, I for one don’t know the ins and outs of how they decide to run a candidate or not, in a given area.  Your question is an excellent one.  I’ll add that no other party, not one, not a single one, intends to help Britons out of the immigration mess they’ve gotten themselves into.  Only the BNP.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 08, 2007, 12:57 AM | #

(Their link is under “Nationalists” in the “Links” column.)

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 08, 2007, 01:49 AM | #

I just clicked on the BNP link in the Links list in the left-hand margin.  I must say, I don’t remember their home page being so unwelcoming and uninformative.  Is that the best they can do for a home page?  That’s appalling, atrocious.  That’s got to change, no doubt about it.  They need to get someone working on that immediately.  What’s someone like Sue to think when, beginning to feel more of an interest in the party, she clicks on that home page and finds virtually nothing to inform her, nothing to welcome her?  That’s bad, really bad.  Who’s responsible for that?  It’s awful.  That’s GOT to be mended, and quickly.  Is that even the right home page?  Did I make a mistake?  Is there some other link you’re supposed to use?  That page is just abysmal, an utter public-relations failure.  There’s nothing there! Instead of drawing people in, it offers them no reason whatever why they should pause for so much as a second, rather than click out and go somewhere welcoming and informative.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 08, 2007, 02:01 AM | #

I mean, look at the titles of articles they list — not a single “teaser” excerpt from an article to draw visitors to perhaps click on and read it!  It looks more like a boring homework assignment for a history class in college:  “Here’s your reading list for this semester, class.” Look at the overall layout of the page— as dry, bloodless, lifeless as could be!  Utterly cheerless!  No color, no Union Jack, no British faces, no joy.  Is it the home page of an undertaker’s?  What’s going on?  What’s the party about?  What are its goals in a nutshell, in a pithy memorable “take-home” sentence or two?  Not a hint on that home page!  It’s simply appalling.  That home page says to the visitor, “We can’t be bothered with you, with informing you or making you feel welcome.  Here, you do all the work.  You can’t muster the interest?  There’s the door.” It’s unacceptable.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 11, 2007, 03:14 PM | #

All right, I was wrong.  I just clicked on the BNP link (in the “Links” list at the left-hand margin of this page, under where it says “Nationalists”) and I wonder if maybe some part of their home page wasn’t “loading” on my computer last time I looked, when I made those harsh criticisms above:  the entire banner-heading apparently didn’t load last time, I now realize, so all I saw was the list of titles of articles down the middle, and the right-hand column of links under “Daily News Update,” and that was it.  I saw no heading across the top of the page with its friendly, inviting display of the well-done BNP logo filled in with the Union Jack, some attractive scenes from Britain, and those three British girls, three little angels, wearing the white dresses with the red crosses in front, unapologetically placed there in the site’s banner as members of their race (making for an implicit message of defiance of PC’s demand that whites apologize for their whiteness and cringe and go hide it somewhere, not coming back out until they’ve got their culpable whiteness well-concealed).  Last time, I had vaguely remembered a banner heading of that nature from previous visits, so I wondered what was wrong, maybe I had previously clicked on some other link or something, but now I see the attractive banner-heading is there at the usual link, and it must have been my machine’s fault last time for not displaying it — it “didn’t load.”

That said, thinking about it now I feel there’s room for improvement.  There should be even more color on that home page, more shots of Britain, more English faces, more flags, all calculated to grab the visitor and draw him further in or at least leave him with a good feeling for having visited so he’ll return, and there should be a pithy statement or two of the party’s fundamental aims in a nutshell on that page.  As for the list of clickable articles, that plain-text list is way too dry.  The fonts and spacing could be more interesting, colorful, and reader-friendly instead of resembling a college-class semester’s required reading list, and each title should be accompanied by an easy-to-read “teaser” excerpt attractively and invitingly displayed, easy to read, chosen to draw the reader to click on the article, and where possible there should be “teaser” photos for each title as well. 

The people over there in charge of web-design have got a fairly good page as is, and I apologize for not realizing last time that the banner wasn’t loading on my machine.  But there’s room for improvement and this struggle is too important to leave any detail unattended to.

Anyway, Sue, if you happen to see this, there’s the BNP web-site for you and your friends to explore.  Don’t be shy about contacting them with any questions.  They’re your site, your party, your folk.  They’re there to work for you and are at your service.  That’s how you should view them.  Their aim is to be for Britain, to stand up for its people, all without being mean toward anyone else.  To not vote for the BNP in this day and age, given all that’s going on, can only be one of three things:  insanity, ignorance, or malice.  It’s that simple.  The Briton who supports the BNP is helping himself, his children, his country.  The same can be said of no other party in Britain today.

Posted by sue on August 11, 2007, 09:40 PM | #

I went on the BNP site and i wrote about what was going on around here and to check out this weeks news in THIS IS LANCASHIRE, article after article regarding the violence rangeing from kids having knives put to there throats so they hand over their mobiles then being told to buy it back and a 77yr old woman mugged (you get to comment on the articles and the asians (hum) are leaving comments saying England is theirs and that the WHITES deserve everything they get.....sic bas*****) but guess what no reply ie no email back or comment posted there forum hasnt been updated since july so it was a waste of time but thank you for having the time to reply to me