DO ANTI-RACISTS SUFFER FROM STOCKHOLM SYNDROME?

Posted by .357 on June 21, 2008, 12:57 AM | #

I loved the first third....

Posted by 2R on June 21, 2008, 05:11 AM | #

No, anti-Whites do not have Stockholm syndrome.  In order to have Stockholm Syndrome, you actually have to spend time with the people you feel sympathy for.  Anti-Whites in general do not spend time with non-whites, which is the reason for their ignorance.  The Whites that do spend time around non-whites are generally more turned off to living around non-whites than Whites who don’t. This is why States that are more “diverse” tended to vote for Hillary, while homogeneous States voted for Obama.

And by the way:  There are no “anti-racists” only anti-Whites.  “Anti-Racism” is only a code word for anti-White.  How many times have you seen the SPLC or ADL bring attention to anti-White crimes, anti-White propaganda, or anti-White organizations?

Posted by John on June 21, 2008, 09:13 AM | #

No, anti-Whites do not have Stockholm syndrome.  In order to have Stockholm Syndrome, you actually have to spend time with the people you feel sympathy for.

The third world peoples are not the ones who “kidnapped” the self-hating whites (and their culture). The “anti-racists” have sympathy for the kidnappers and their (totally hypocritical) world view. I think that’s what he’s trying to say, anyway. I don’t think it’s a completely apt metaphor. To me it’s more like professional wrestler Ric Flair begging for mercy and then kicking his opponent’s ass, only instead of exulting (outwardly at least—inwardly and between themselves, I imagine they do exult) during the asskicking part, he continues to beg for mercy and complain about what a victim he is. It’s wearing thin, though. Expect a big distraction soon.

Posted by Bill on June 21, 2008, 10:46 AM | #

Last man standing.

Kidnapping is the illegal capture and of holding person/s against their will for reward or leveraged gain, I don’t see the parallel with our elites committing our suicide at all.

The West’s elites (guilt?) have flung open their nation’ doors and invited anyone and everyone who cares to come. (nobody has been kidnapped) I have heard reference that these elites invaders are the assault troops with which by proxy, are being used to attack the culture, and ultimately, (tipping point) attack the host nation’s people to the point of extinction.

Something about all this has puzzled me since I first was awakened, and it is this.  Do our elites think they will survive to rule the roost?  It is a question that I have not heard asked or made reference to, is there anything approaching a precedent for this scenario?

Lastly, who will be the last man standing, whitey, elites or Islam?

Oh, and one more thing, are we talking here of the whole the world’s population or just Western civilisation?

Posted by 2R on June 21, 2008, 11:26 AM | #

“Do our elites think they will survive to rule the roost?” (-Bill)

This is a good question?  I think this election has been a good wake up call though.  The Clinton’s have spent their lives championing for blacks but in the end, when given a choice between them and one of their own, the blacks turned their backs on the Clinton’s faster than a cat in a room full of rocking chairs. 

So I really don’t know what motivates the White elite?  It may be similar to a drug addict?  When an addict uses he/she knows it will end up bad but are so controlled by the feeling that the drug produces that they can ignore the consequences for a while. The White elite love their power so much that they can’t see the consequences. Or, maybe their own lives are so far away from the results of their actions that they don’t even realize the hell we’re in for?

The Jewish elite is another issue. The Jewish elite (who are just as hated as the White elite, in fact, non-whites in America see no difference between the two) seem to think they’ll be safer in the multi-cult mess? Its important to remember that they’re very skilled at playing one group against the other so this may be what drives their feelings of security? They also have Israel. And if things ever get tough in America or wherever, they can always move back to their fallback position. A very wise man once predicted that Israel would act as a sort of “safe house” or “home base” for criminals.  The Jewish elite might also think that they can rely on the victim narrative. Then again, if Euro’s are close to extinction, the Jews may then start bragging to the non-white world how they carried out the plan to replace the hated White man?  The same facts that are vigorously denied today by Jews may be used as proof for their work? 

Anyway, you bring up a good question that should be discussed.

Posted by the Narrator... on June 21, 2008, 12:54 PM | #

DO ANTI-RACISTS SUFFER FROM STOCKHOLM SYNDROME?

It is a funny way of putting it to be sure and those who espouse anti-racialist sentiments need to be put on the spot and made to consider why and how they believe what they (claim to) believe.

It is otherwise rather inexplicable why they would cheer on the replacement of their own kind

I don’t think they all do. Or rather, it depends on where you live.
I’ve routinely asked people over the years what percentage of the world they believe to be White. The typical answer ranges from 40% to 80%.
They really have no idea!

And despite commercials, the average Hollywood movie still seems to give a great amount of screen time to seemingly White faces which helps to obfuscate the demographic realities.
Indiana Jones, IronMan, The Hulk, Get Smart, the upcoming Batman movie etc all present casts who, to the average American, look White.
It seems the less White America gets, the more Hollywood (for the time being) turns to Comic Book movies, Re-Makes or “period films” set back when Whites were 90%+ of the population.

America is so vast that most people improperly gauge it’s realities by what they see on TV.
Most people in the mid-west or the east coast still imagine Texas to be nothing but White guys in cowboy hats. People in New England still think the south is overflowing with White guys named “Jimmy Ray” and “Billy Bob”.
And I don’t know how many times I’ve gotten the incredulous reaction, “Muslims! In England?”

The Jewish elite is another issue. The Jewish elite (who are just as hated as the White elite, in fact, non-whites in America see no difference between the two)
-2r

Most Jews do not look White and will have no trouble whatsoever in changing their names to Carlos Herschel Cruzstein once they feel the time is right to re adapt to post-Anglo America…

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 21, 2008, 03:26 PM | #

“Most Jews do not look White and will have no trouble whatsoever in changing their names to Carlos Herschel Cruzstein once they feel the time is right to re adapt to post-Anglo America ...

.. which they’ve created ...

Posted by Søren Renner on June 21, 2008, 03:35 PM | #

“Do our elites think they will survive to rule the roost?” (-Bill)

Do they even have a plan? Does anyone actually have a plan to survive to rule the roost? Indeed this is an excellent question. Again I am reminded of the fact that MR has the BEST commentariat.

I plan to address this question soon, in public, on film, and notoriously.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 21, 2008, 03:35 PM | #

“Then again, if Euro’s are close to extinction, the Jews may then start bragging to the non-white world how they carried out the plan to replace the hated White man?  The same facts that are vigorously denied today by Jews may be used as proof for their work?”

No question about that whatsoever:  one day the Jews will openly brag about that they did, how they succeeded in genociding the Euros, finally getting rid of the bastards who were a thorn in their sides for two thousand years.  I’ll become part of their folklore.  The primordial Jewish role which they now deny with a straight face will be proudly recounted to Israeli schoolchildren the way the Pilgrim Fathers, George Washington, and Daniel Boone were once recounted to Euro-American schoolkids.  Absolutely no question about that whatsoever:  it’s going to happen.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 21, 2008, 04:03 PM | #

The Jews never learn and they never stop.

http://westbiop.blogspot.com/2008/06/nec-watchfeldman.html

For two thousand years they haven’t learned and they haven’t stopped, and they never will.  Learn or stop, that is.  Never.  Forget it.  Not gonna happen. 

What has to happen is Jews and Euros have to live in separate countries because Jews will attempt to destroy Euro countries and race-replace Euro populations every time they’re given the chance. 

Get them out of our countries and we’ll stay out of theirs.  Deal?  If Israel isn’t enough for them — and it definitely isn’t, given a world Jewish population of some 16 to 20 million — we should cede them U.S. land for additional exclusively Jewish countries.  But however it’s done, enough is enough:  we really cannot tolerate their crap any more, especially when they occupy élite positions on our society such as, with this Feldman asshole, Harvard Law School professor and fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, which are, as should go without saying, perches from which destroying Euro societies, nations, and races is as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.

Jews and Euros must be segregated into different physical living spaces, different countries, if the Euros are to have any chance of surviving.  The Jews hate Euros with a passion, a deadly hatred, and will go after them and try to finish them off every single time they’re given the chance.

This Jewish destruction of Euros has got to stop.

(For any unfamiliar with JWH’s abbreviations, NEC stands for Non-European Caucasian, a category which includes the Semites.)

Posted by GT on June 21, 2008, 04:39 PM | #

Does the elite believe it will survive?

Yes.

How? 

Lower-class division and dependency, legal-security-military apparatus, distance, technology.

What motivates them?

1. Gentile sycophants: Ease, status, survival.
2. Jews: Hatred, status, ease.

Posted by GT on June 21, 2008, 05:13 PM | #

Reducing the Europid is in the jewish interest. Killing him off is not.  Europids are a buffer.  They are required for middle management, technical expertise, and rapid response hunter-killer teams.  Despite pogroms, forgiveness and the elevation of jews is a central feature of the Europid record.  No other race does it.  Sycophantic Europids are conscious of this at various levels.  The smartest sycophants seek out jews.  They care not a fig for lower-class kinsmen, who have always been expendable.  Ease, status, and individual survival is all that matter to them.  They are morally defective.

Posted by Bill on June 21, 2008, 06:23 PM | #

Why is it ok for white elites to trash white trash? - maybe this will give us a clue.

....."In other words, in order to maintain the idea of white supremacy, white elites had to de-racialize their poor - remove them from the group. They were “white” in skin color only. Just as the one-drop rule - which held that any person with any amount of African blood would be considered black - kept the white racial category “pure,” so did the creation and disowning of “inferior” whites. “The term ‘white trash’ gave a name to people who were giving ‘whiteness’ a bad name,” said Matt Wray, a Temple University sociologist and the author of Not Quite White: White Trash and the Boundaries of Whiteness. “It meant that they were behaving in ways that didn’t suggest that they were the master race.”

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.cheney10jun10,0,2239977.story

Posted by GT on June 21, 2008, 09:14 PM | #

I don’t buy it.  White supremacy had little to nothing do with it.  The “one drop rule” is a colloquialism, neither consistent in definition nor universally applied.  It certainly didn’t apply to White-American Indian unions. The issue was labor – the cheaper the acquisition and maintenance costs, the better.  White slaves – no, not bonded servants – were “shanghaied” off the streets of London, and from Scotland and Ireland as well, in numbers greater than the African importees, throughout the 17th and first quarter of the 18th century, to satisfy the labor needs of the elite in the New World.  White slaves were troublesome and ultimately replaced by fearful, relatively docile African Negroes. The free White descendants of white slaves were considered second and third class scum by the slave-owning elite throughout the 17th, 18th and first half of the 19th centuries, and required to approach the Massa’s home via the (Negro) slave entrance – the back door.  Negro domestics were held in greater regard – just as yuppies today hold maidservant Rosa and her common-law husband, Manuel, in greater regard than any Whites living in trailer parks.  After emancipation Jim Crow was a short-term political tactic used to pacify the native “white trash” population, north and south, in the face of Eastern European immigration and labor competition.  Little has changed. Then as now the gentile elite’s motives are centered upon ease, money, and status.

The Gentile Elite: Homo Monetarus

Race: Europid.

Class: Wealthy/Upper Middle-Class.

Morality: Dual

In-group:

1.  Class- and Race-based.
2.  Religion/ethnicity/race incidental to interclass economic and political alliances.

Out-group: Consistently Europid.

Politics:

1.  Monetarist.
2.  Equates money with wealth and regards them as coeval.
3.  Equates monetary returns with productivity.
4.  Religion/ethnicity/race incidental to political and economic alliances.
5.  Noblesse oblige extended to less privileged members of allied groups.
6.  Underclass Europids consistently scapegoated to justify out-Europid alliances.

Posted by GT on June 21, 2008, 09:46 PM | #

Today “White trash” is a term employed to denigrate the rebellious White victims of integration and multiracialism by attributing to them an historical social supremacy that they rarely or never enjoyed.  The term’s origins are white, but only incidentally so.  The term is a pejorative employed by the incidental white - H. Monetarus - to scapegoat the White lower-classes and justify his elevated social position in both homogenous and multiracial societies.

Posted by Darren on June 22, 2008, 01:37 AM | #

Do philo-Semites suffer from Stockholm Syndrome?

Posted by 2R on June 22, 2008, 11:06 AM | #

There’s another scenario to think about too. If Euro man does start to show signs of stopping the replacement process, and/or if science becomes overwhelmingly impossible to ignore or cover up, the elites may start a sort of “neo-racialism” where they embrace racialist politics for reasons of political survival.

Jewish elites may start a never ending campaign of pointing out that their high status in society is purely due to their high IQ scores. They may also start hammering away at the idea that Euros should procreate with East Asians in order to improve their genetic futures. 

Funding is probably the biggest obstacle in the way of a real pro-White political movement. If the going get tough for the elites, money might start coming out of the woodwork?  The economic elite might find the pressure coming from the various “civil rights” organization reason enough to start funding their own “community organizers?”

As everyone knows whose taking a 100 level Political Science class, politicians exist to maximize power.  If the winds of racialism start blowing, the elite will most likely have a very large sail to catch it.  Just like “neo- conservatism,” the political class might find themselves “mugged by reality” if the situation calls for it?

Posted by Bert Rustle on June 22, 2008, 11:59 AM | #

GT wrote … White slaves – no, not bonded servants – were “shanghaied” off the streets of London, and from Scotland and Ireland as well, in numbers greater than the African importees, throughout the 17th and first quarter of the 18th century, to satisfy the labor needs of the elite in the New World.  ... The free White descendants of white slaves were considered second and third class scum by the slave-owning elite throughout the 17th, 18th and first half of the 19th centuries ...

Reference?

Posted by silver on June 22, 2008, 12:07 PM | #

They also have Israel.

I wonder just how much they do have Israel, though.  Sure, they have it more than, say, today’s Spaniards have Spain.  But not a great deal more.  The Arabs are huge problem; they are religiously divided among themselves; there is a large foreign worker population (some 200k and growing); there’s the question of how much a non-white America (or even a white one, as Jew-truth spreads) will support Israel; their elites are almost as suicidal as western countries’ (I’d say they’re about on par with, probably slightly ahead of, Greece: strong ethnic unity but not reflected by government policy). 

The Jewish elite might also think that they can rely on the victim narrative.

Not with Muslims they won’t.

Then again, if Euro’s are close to extinction, the Jews may then start bragging to the non-white world how they carried out the plan to replace the hated White man?

But how long will the goodwill last?  Blacks are notorious for wanting to know only “but what have you done for me lately?” Muslims couldn’t care less.  It’ll resonate with the hispanics (and hispanicized “whites"), though.  Perhaps that’s why Jews are so keen on Latino immigration.  (I mean, they’re keen on all immigration, but they seem to go out of their way to sell the virtues of Latinos.)

For those who favor a territorial breakup, I think these hispano-whites (ie the more Europedic mestizoes) could form a coalition with Meds and Armenids.  There’s already a decent sense of racial (and cultural) amity among these groups (despite the howls of the Rienzis), and they’d be pretty keen on ridding themselves of the negroes, Indians/Arabs/Muslims and indio-hispanics (at least on understanding the issues, which they have a better gut sense of than nordoids in any case).  That’s a good start, anyway; we can kill each other later (as per Cap’n Chaos’s desire to retake the entire former territory).  (For GT who’s forever wondering what real actions can be taken besides “easy online racialism,” well, these groups are already permitted greater license to speak freely on racial issues than whites, so if we can manage to get the issues on the table in a way they can be addressed forthrightly, that’s a good start, isn’t it?  Probably someone like Jared Taylor would someone worth approaching with the idea, since he seems to have better sense than most kill-’em-all nazi types and has shown himself to be prepared to form coalitions with questionable whites (ie AmRen’s early days).)

Posted by Captainchaos on June 22, 2008, 04:09 PM | #

silver,

This may be of some interest to you.  I am not expressing approval nor disapproval of the content.  Just passing along the info.

http://westbiop.blogspot.com/2008/06/tarnished-silver.html

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 22, 2008, 05:36 PM | #

For what it’s worth, I believe the commenter signing as “Peter North” in this thread was Silver.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 22, 2008, 05:43 PM | #

Also, as I think JWH implies in the linked log entry (linked by CaptainChaos), it is indeed an odd “Serb” who remains blasé in regard to Kosovo’s declaration of independence.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 22, 2008, 05:50 PM | #

On the subject of JWH, he discusses an Amren piece detailing the ways in which the anti-race-replacement movement is stronger in Europe than here.

Posted by Melody on June 22, 2008, 06:31 PM | #

A few years ago, when we still had apartheid in our country, we went over to France on a business trip. We met some people there of whom 2 of them were from mixed mariages. The conversation turned to culture tjats, when all of a sudden the woman burst out into tears. She nearly shout it out the way the deep sorrow inside her came streaming out her mouth, “Me Bastard! Me Nothing! Who Me????” Needless to say that we took her in our arms and speak some Godly warmth back into her very broken hart, while the other person, also a woman, stood there with tears in her eyes.,.....We never in our lifes expect anything like that...?...!..before I knew it, I was in tears as well, feeling for the first time in my life, the pain they felt all their lives thus far.  When we were back in SA, we had a good chat about mixed mariages and how very wrong it is towards those children because, honestly! , they do’nt know where in life they really stand or who or what they really are!!!

Posted by Svigor on June 22, 2008, 06:32 PM | #

(I mean, they’re keen on all immigration, but they seem to go out of their way to sell the virtues of Latinos.)

Lol, that’s because that’s what they have to work with.  If they’re selling you a broken down nag, then it’s a fine Arabian.  If they’re selling you a broken old shitbox of a teevee, then it’s a widescreen HD.  But they’re selling you mestizos, not nags or teevees.

Posted by Svigor on June 22, 2008, 06:37 PM | #

they do’nt know where in life they really stand or who or what they really are!!!

Indeed; how can they know who they are in any group sense, when in any group sense they are nobody?  I don’t mean that as a jab, but as a sympathetic statement of fact.  Someone of mixed race is a member of a race of one.  If they get together with enough other, similar races of one, eventually they can form a race, generations down the line, but that’s their descendants, not themselves.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 22, 2008, 06:52 PM | #

Melody, I hope the Boers in your country will hold fast to their race and not miscegenate with the Negroes now that the outside world led by the U.S. and Europe has forced whites there into artificial subordination to Negroes.

Posted by 2R on June 22, 2008, 07:15 PM | #

“Lol, that’s because that’s what they have to work with.  If they’re selling you a broken down nag, then it’s a fine Arabian.  If they’re selling you a broken old shitbox of a teevee, then it’s a widescreen HD.  But they’re selling you mestizos, not nags or teevees.” (-Svigor)

There’s a lot of wisdow here. Thank you for this.

Silver,

I haven’t been posting here for awhile but I must say you’ve come a long way.

Posted by silver on June 22, 2008, 07:39 PM | #

Fred, I’ve never posted as Peter North.  I’ve no reason to lie, not now, not after conceding the entire argument.  Why is this so difficult to accept?  I mean, from the very first my impression was that someone whose entire existence seems to revolve around scrounging around various sites for WN issues to relate back to the Mites maybe, just maybe, has a few screws loose, but then I accepted that man may simply be just that passionate.  But your constant harping, your constant innuendo, your constant refusal to respond to the factual content (alone!) of anything I might say is simply bizarre.  Enough now, please. 

Cap’n Chaos: Thanks.  I’m not in the mood to read anything by Rienzi at the moment.  He’s an enormous drain on my energy.  I’m really not saying anything contoversial by arguing that southern and eastern Europeans, despite on average having white skin and European-ish features are not on the whole (a) the same race as Northern Europeans; (b) what the typical northern “WN” has in mind when he says “white.” It’s completely non-controversial, I would have thought.  That’s the frame of mind I came to this site with, and some of the language employed greatly disturbed me and it’s what provoked my initial responses.  Rienzi—an alarming number of others—thinks I’m obliged to stand by those remarks, which is nonsense.  Another apopleptic git determined that my reversal of opinion “verged on insanity”; but why should coming to a clearer, more honest (more self-honest) view of things be considered “insane”? 

I really don’t know why Rienzi takes such huge exception to my opinion.  If he feels that he is of a sufficiently northern profile, then what does it matter what I think?  I’m hardly arguing for his personal exclusion; I’m just stating what I think is abundantly obvious.  I mean, a German, say, awoken and alarmed by the dwindling numbers of racial familiars he sees on his streets is hardly likely to wander into Bensonhurt and feel relieved at the concentration of folks “just like himself,” genotypic data be damned.  And it works the other way, too: Serbs may go to Rienzian lengths to formulate a case for inclusion, but the bulk of them would treat such inclusion with indifference, seeing it as merely getting the pesky nords off their backs while they continue to congregate around themselves and concentrate on their own people and culture—essentially “We’re white, okay?  Now buzz off and go bother someone else.” (Fred ‘loose screws’ Scrooby even thinks such internal divisions are healthy for a country: he “frickin loves it” when one subset of a group hates another.) And I’ll go further: I could walk into any Sicilian (and hell even generally Italian) or Greek or Croat or Maltese house in Australia and make the comment that “Geez Aussies are a pack of d***heads” and my statement would be treated as no more than voicing frustration over any other of life’s minor inconveniences, like red lights or speeding fines; the only response would be a laugh and inquiry into what set me off on this occasion, but not one time in ten would I expect anything like a scathing reproof. 

As for my alleged “indifference” about Kosovo, I’m not interested in that 95% Albanian-populated piece of crap, even if my father has roots there; he determined that it was game over for us there decades ago, and I agree.  (And hell, I’m fair-minded guy: I was never even completely convinced of the Serbian “right” to the land in the first damn place; I’m not some hyperethnocentrist Jew, after all.) What I am interested is in drawing the proper lessons from what took place.

Posted by Bill on June 22, 2008, 07:50 PM | #

......."they do’nt know where in life they really stand or who or what they really are!!!”

Posted by Melody on Sunday, June 22, 2008 at 06:31 PM | #

Yes your right, I’ve always thought how selfish and thoughtless it is of the parents, it never enters their heads as to the consequences of their actions.  Also I suspect, that it is later in life when the children begin to think about such things. (Although I have no evidence to this effect)

Posted by silver on June 22, 2008, 07:59 PM | #

2R, thanks.  You’re right, I have come a long way.  I think I, and many others like me, would have come so much further so much sooner if groups which discuss these issues did so in a more congenial manner.  I realize what’s at stake, better, I dare say, than even many a VNN hobbyist.  But changing minds, surely you’ve realized by now, is not simply a matter of accosting one with facts, not if accepting those facts require a complete overhaul of one’s worldview.  To put it crassly, you need salesmen more than you need philosophers.  Don’t laugh at that: you were sold into your current predicament, not moved to it by force of reason; you may well sell your way out of it yet. 

Btw, I don’t have anything against Albanians racially, nor even particularly culturally (apart from their Islam, which is generally the lamest Islam going, but can rear its ugly head at inopportune moments).  History thrust us into opposition, but I managed to maintain friendships with Albanians during the height of the NATO campaign.  I said I came to racial-national issues from a liberal perspective, and this is proof.  Dispiritingly, most bedrock liberal assumptions proved themselves at best unreliable, at worst suicidal; it’s facts I was moved by, not a pre-existing animus, but getting the mind to accept new facts (teaching old dogs new tricks), that’s the tricky part.

Correction: “apoplectic” not “apopleptic,” for the spelling nazis keen to seize on anything with which they might discredit my feeble mind.

Posted by GT on June 22, 2008, 09:26 PM | #

Bert Rustle.

GT wrote … White slaves – no, not bonded servants – were “shanghaied” off the streets of London, and from Scotland and Ireland as well, in numbers greater than the African importees, throughout the 17th and first quarter of the 18th century, to satisfy the labor needs of the elite in the New World.  ... The free White descendants of white slaves were considered second and third class scum by the slave-owning elite throughout the 17th, 18th and first half of the 19th centuries ...

Reference?

Certainly.  This will get you started:

Kate McCafferty: Testimony of an Irish Slave Girl
Lawrence R. Kelleher: To Shed a Tear: A Story of Irish Slavery in the British West Indies’
Don Jordan and Michael Walsh: White Cargo: the Forgotten History of Britain’s White Slaves in America
Paul Michel Baepler: White Slaves, African Masters: An Anthology of American Barbary Captivity
Robert C. Davis: Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast and Italy, 1500-1800
Richard Hildreth: The White Slave: Another Picture of Slave Life in America
Edward Reynolds: A History of the Atlantic Slave Trade
Eric Hopkins: A Social History of the English Working Classes.
C. P. Hill: British Economic and Social History 1700-1982
Michael A. Hoffman: They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America
Lawrence R. Tenzer: The Forgotten Cause of the Civil War: A New Look at the Slavery Issue
Smith, Abbot Emerson: Colonists in Bondage: White Servitude and Convict Labor in America, 1607-1776
Riley, Edward Miles, ed.: The Journal of John Harrower, an Indentured Servant in the Colony of Virginia, 1773-1776
Mullin, Gerald W.: Flight and Rebellion: Slave Resistance in Eighteenth-Century Virginia
Ekirch, A. Roger: Bound for America: The Transportation of Bound Convicts to the Colonies, 1718-1775
Farish, Hunter Dickinson, ed.: Journal and Letters of Philip Vickers Fithian, 1773-1774: A Plantation Tutor of the Old Dominion
Morgan, Edmund S.:  American Slavery, American Freedom: The Ordeal of Colonial Virginia

Runaway advertisements published in Virginia newspapers through the Revolution

“As an epithet, white trash, or the more extended poor white trash first came into common use in the 1830’s. The Oxford English Dictionary identifies white trash in its earliest usage as an American pejorative used by the slaves of gentlemen against poor whites who worked in the field. The real distinction is that while a black man might be slave, to be a house slave was better than any menial job, even if that job was held by a white person.”

Harriet Beecher Stowe:

“But it will appear that the institution of slavery has produced not only heathenish degraded miserable slaves but it produces a class of white people who are by universal admission more heathenish, degraded, and miserable. The institution of slavery has accomplished the double feat, in America, not only of degrading and brutalizing her black working classes, but of producing, notwithstanding a fertile soil and abundant room, a poor white population as degraded and brutal as ever existed in any of the most crowded districts of Europe “

Quotes provided by MR commentator Alex (not Linder):

“The [Civil] war was essentially an industrial struggle - a struggle between free labor and the masters of slave labor.” Harper’s New Monthly Magazine - January 1897

“The educated free labor of Massachusetts*, we have seen, doubles the products of toil, per capita, as compared with Maryland, and quadruples them (as the Census shows) compared with South Carolina….” Former US Treasurer and slave speculator Robert Walker writing from London in December, 1863.  The Continental Monthly - March 1864

‘Slavery is likely to be abolished by the war power, and chattel slavery destroyed. This, I and my European friends are in favor of, for slavery is but the owning of labor and carries with it the care for the laborer, while the European plan led by England, is for capital to control labor by controlling the wages...’ Bank of England circular sent to every bank in New York and New England in 1862, Imperial Washington (1922)

“It is our conviction that monopolies are as destructive as competition is conservative of the principles and vitalities of republican Government; that slave labor is a monopoly which excludes free labor and competition; that slaves are kept in comparitive idleness and ease in a fertile half of our arable national territory, while free white laborers, constantly augmenting in numbers from Europe, are confined to the the other half and are often distressed by want; that the free white laborers of the North has more need of expansion into the Southern States, from which it is virtually excluded, than slavery had into Texas in 1846...” Excerpt of Proclamation by US Brigadier-General Phelps to the loyal people of the Southwest, Ship Island, Mississippi, December 4, 1861

...the rise of the modern industrial system made wage slavery a more efficient agent of production than chattel slavery. Excerpt of the 1907 foreword to the book The War-Time Journal of a Georgia Girl, 1864-1865 (published in 1908)

Posted by GT on June 22, 2008, 10:33 PM | #

Bert Rustle,

Many references to primary and secondary material substantiating what I say exists on the Internet.  For example, in the latter half of the 17th century the growing class of poverty-stricken Virginians of Europid ancestry frightened the planter elite moreso than slaves and bondservants. As servants turned free each year, the colony’s idle class felt they were inheriting England’s problem. In a letter to Lord Culpeper on August 6, 1676, colonial secretary Nicholas Spencer wrote that Virginia was “a sinke to drayen England of her filth and scum.”

Much more is available.  There is no question as to how these people felt toward North America’s Europid underclass.  Nothing has changed.  Popular histories have intentionally “overlooked” this in both past and present, but for different reasons related to the fact that in the past H. Monetarus was on top.  He is now jewry’s sycophantic ally and enforcer.

Posted by GT on June 22, 2008, 11:51 PM | #

For GT who’s forever wondering what real actions can be taken besides “easy online racialism,” well, these groups are already permitted greater license to speak freely on racial issues than whites, so if we can manage to get the issues on the table in a way they can be addressed forthrightly, that’s a good start, isn’t it?

The Internet’s racialist zeitgeist continues to believe it can place its “issues on the table” via the Internet and encourage others to do the heavy lifting.  This is fantasy and encourages the accumulation of cowards, hobbyists, and felons within the ranks.  In general:

1.  Jewry’s sycophantic gentile muscleman, H. Monetarus, does not care and can’t be persuaded by anything short of a pistol barrel placed against the skull.
2.  The masses use the Internet to Google the daily news, sports, and sex.
3.  Our Internet presence is increasingly restricted and time grows short.

The Internet is a tool.  Tools must be used properly.  Success requires changes in strategy, tactics, the elimination of useless “eaters” and dysfunctional “contributors,” and the presentation of information designed to appeal to people capable of exercising genuine “boots on the ground” leadership by people who are willing and capable of doing the same.

Posted by Bert Rustle on June 23, 2008, 05:47 AM | #

GT, I thank you for your extensive reply. As far as you are aware, which of these references have the highest ratio of referenced fact to author’s opinion?

Posted by GT on June 23, 2008, 06:20 AM | #

Bert,

You caught me in time.  In my opinion the following books are indispensable:

Don Jordan and Michael Walsh: White Cargo: the Forgotten History of Britain’s White Slaves in America

Michael A. Hoffman: They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America

Smith, Abbot Emerson: Colonists in Bondage: White Servitude and Convict Labor in America, 1607-1776

Kate McCafferty: Testimony of an Irish Slave Girl

You may not enjoy the last book.  I didn’t, for reasons you’ll discover after purchase.  Nevertheless, imo, it’s a very important tale.

Also, take advantage of Google and look around for histories re: American labor, pre- and post-Revolutionary War, indentured servitude, “white slavery” and “colonial,” etc.

Posted by GT on June 23, 2008, 07:10 AM | #

Bert,

The following book is online:

Butler, James Davie: British Convicts Shipped to American Colonies

I have ordered this book, which cites sources:

Lawrence R. Tenzer: The Forgotten Cause of the Civil War: A New Look at the Slavery Issue

My reason for ordering the second book is an interest in partus sequitur ventrem, a legal doctrine which held that a child followed the social status of its mother, regardless of whether that mother was Europid or Negro. I’m interested in its general application to Europid and mulatto slaves of both sexes, but Europid females in particular.

Posted by Bert Rustle on June 23, 2008, 07:51 AM | #

GT, thank you.

Posted by n/a on June 25, 2008, 05:23 AM | #

Bert Rustle: “GT, I thank you for your extensive reply. As far as you are aware, which of these references have the highest ratio of referenced fact to author’s opinion? “

GT: “Kate McCafferty: Testimony of an Irish Slave Girl “

A work of fiction?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 26, 2008, 04:56 AM | #

A Jewish guy attacks Lou Dobbs for not doing enough to explain to his audience that, while he opposes illegal immigration, he nevertheless favors race-replacement through legal immigration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aXKistJDI0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz1Vo1HaiZ4&feature=related

Needless to add, if Dobbs advocated the same race-replacement policy for Israel this same Jewish guy (Paul Waldman, I think it said his name was) would be calling him an anti-Semite.

For another example of this same kind of jaw-dropping solipsistic/narcissistic Jewish brazenness, scope out this pair of log entries:

http://westbiop.blogspot.com/2008/06/two-breezy-steve-posts-61508.html

http://westbiop.blogspot.com/2008/06/dual-morality.html

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 29, 2008, 05:07 PM | #

I looked up the author of this book when something about the book’s cover, I can’t imagine what, told me the author was my kinda guy.  (I also read the book’s sample pages offered at the Amazon site, including the “try you luck” feature.  Few though the sample pages were, I could tell where the guy was headed with them, and I liked what I saw.  I may pick up a copy.) I scoped out some articles at this web-site.  Here‘s his take on “what makes liberals tick.”

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 29, 2008, 05:09 PM | #

Make that, “I scoped out some articles at his web-site.”

Posted by Robert Reis on June 29, 2008, 09:28 PM | #

Fred,
Thanks for pointing me to Mr. Fuerle. Genius.Pure genius.

Posted by ryan on December 02, 2008, 03:26 AM | #

i just happened to stumble upon this racist ignorant nonsense while doing research on racist ignorant citizens of the U.S...... all of you seem like very intelligent human beings.... maybe you should use that intelligence for some good instead of putting down people who are different from you! try to expand your minds a little please!

Posted by Lurker on December 02, 2008, 03:47 AM | #

Ryan - racist ignorant nonsense isnt actually a criticism of any substance. What exactly is it you disagree with?

Posted by John on December 02, 2008, 05:09 PM | #

Ryan - racist ignorant nonsense isnt actually a criticism of any substance. What exactly is it you disagree with?

He didn’t post here for any discussion or dialogue. We have merely upset his religious sensibilities. “Racist ignorant nonsense” would correspond to the concept of “evil” or “sin” in Christianity.