Does race mixing increase physical attractiveness?

Phil Peterson: Arcane does resort to name-calling, but he is also an intelligent opponent, and in the spirit of free speech and also the desirability of decent critiques, which I hope he provides, just ignore his name-calling and please do not ban him.  We don?t want to end up like GNXP by banning those capable of providing decent critiques.

We are committed to free speech but within the bounds of civility.

Arcane:

Paz Vega is not latin-american, she´s Spanish, and thus a native European.

“Also, the A-grade white commentators have left after Mr. Capitalist’s anti-white crusade.” (—Tournament)

One such who departed was the first-rate woman blogger they had there a short while, “Duende,” who was a college undergrad at the time (a couple of years ago, which was when I stopped reading that anti-Eurowhite site) and brilliant unless I’m mistaken about her.  Anyone know if she’s still blogging anywhere?

Arcane, can’t any of your pals over at www.AntiEurowhite.com give us a hint as to “Duende’s” current whereabouts?

(Oh, excuse me, Arc—that URL was supposed to be Subcontinentals&Orientals4WhiteEuroRaceReplacement.com ... I’m so embarrassed for that typo I made, I could just crawl into a hole and disappear!—Once I’ll have had my second cup of coffee I’ll be less distracted ... Sorry again! .... my sincere apologies to all the phenotypes you are the extension of, Arc .... Errr.... scratch that!  Scratch that last bit I typed!  That was another typo—make that, “My sincere apologies to all your friends over there” ....) (Hey I guess I’d better stop until I’ve had that second cup of coffee ...)

ed, I don’t know anything about Kate—not even sure I’ve ever heard of her before, and have no idea what she looks like—but nowadays with government and Hollywood and everyone pressuring white folk, and brainwashing them from the tenderest age, to believe it’s more politically correct, not to mention more cool, to be non-white than white—or, lacking total nonwhiteness, to be at least partly nonwhite—all claims by whites who are trying to make it big in the extremely-PC U.S. or U.K. entertainment worlds that they are partly nonwhite must be taken with, shall we say, a very big grain of sodium chloride until those claims can be substantiated.

Even if they were wholly English, they would still have to be treated as a gang of conmen and murderous free-riders.

If you want to spew crap like that, why not go over to VNN or National Vanguard?

I feel the need to return to that superficially harsh comment. The US currently accepts ~600,000 immigrants a year, perhaps 500,000 of them non-white. Assuming the white % of the population is 65%, they displace 350,000 whites. How many murders were there in the US last year? 50,000? The perpetrators of our mass immigration policy murders 7X as many whites as all the other murderers in the US combined.

What is the surgical solution for excess fat in the upper eyelid or droopy upper eyelids for Asians?  All one has to do is to remove the excess fat and trim the skin layer.  Besides, if the upper eyelid is not puffed up and the skin is not droopy, then there should not be a problem with applying make-up on the upper eyelid.  One does not have to create a crease/skin fold to solve the problem of puffy/droopy upper eyelids and attendant make-up issues.  Do you really expect Asians to admit that there is something ugly about a natural racial condition that they have and that they are trying to look white by correcting their eyelids?

Your ludicrous non sequitor concerning homosexuals aside, allow me to quote the actual description of the blepharoplasty procedure:

The double eyelid surgery consists of cutting away “extraneous” fat, then stitching the thinned eyelid skin to the levator muscle. Once healed, the attached eyelid forms a crease, dividing the eyelid in two.

So yes, that’s exactly what they’re doing--cutting away the extraneous fat and skin. The reason the extra lid froms is because when the eyelid skin heals, it forms an eyelid crease. How else would you perform the procedure that *wouldn’t* result in a second crease? And concerning your point about makeup, it’s not just the excess fat but the “almond” Asian eye shape that makes it difficult to apply all that female frippery--I’ve noticed that eyeliner, shading, etc. gives my female Asian friends considerably more trouble than my white female friends. So you still haven’t convinced me that looking white is the *sole* reason Asians get this surgery. Do some of them go through with this surgery to look white? Probably. Can the same be said of all or even most of them, as you attest? I have yet to be convinced.

The point about African-American preferences is obvious.  If you live in the U.S., you would have observed the range of African-American phenotypes, and would have noted that the women in hip-hop videos and models in miscellaneous magazines catering to African-Americans are, on average, less black African-looking than the population norm.  Black supermodel Alek Wek has traditional black African facial features, but women with her facial features are not held in high aesthetic regard in the African-American community.

Personal observations are great and all, but I’m looking for hard, empirical data. Where are you getting this? Any peer-reviewed journals of sociology or African-American cultures? C’mon, don’t be a miser. Share the intellectual wealth you so undoubtably have at your disposal!

Well, Ephraim, those girls aren’t *all* ugly...the ones in figure 4 are okay, although I have to ask where Richards happened to find them. They look like they’re having sex, honestly. Maybe that’s why I like them better

Phil,

Half your attacks on me here are based on things you imagine I said. There must something about us here that has got under your skin? What is it?

Almost everything you’ve said about my comments in other threads were based on imaginings about things that I’ve supposedly said. You would take my comments and then start saying things about them entirely unrelated to the comments at hand, and then start asking questions entirely unrelated to the thread itself.

If there’s anyone here imagining stuff, it’s YOU. An example is this:

So how does this prove that race-mixing produces the best looking women?

See, I never said anything even related to that, and have never said that race-mixing produces the best looking women. Yet, you automatically assumed it.

Fred, you said:

One such who departed was the first-rate woman blogger they had there a short while, “Duende,” who was a college undergrad at the time (a couple of years ago, which was when I stopped reading that anti-Eurowhite site) and brilliant unless I’m mistaken about her.

Duende is still a blogger at GNXP, but she never writes anything, that’s all. I figure she did the same thing I’m doing, which is blog while in college and then stop once she has better things to do after graduation.

Svigor, Frank, you said:

That’s a lie.  I was banned, more than once, for RESPONDING to idiocy from anti-WNs at GNXP; they’d make some absurd observation and pretend it was a categorical criticism of WNism (much as you are wont to make), I’d respond that it was absurd, and eventually that got on GNXPers nerves and I was banned for it.

Hehehe, one of the “rules” at GNXP is something along the lines of “no particularism,” so wtf is it that you’re on about?

Again, GNXP is not a place to debate WNism and Jews; there are plenty of places to do that. We banned Abiola Lapite, too, so don’t give me this crap that we only ban WNists. And it’s not a “rule,” but a principle… “Ethnic pride” is a “Don’t,” no matter what your ethnicity is.

And as for the idea that I cannot make a valid criticism of WNism, the fact of the matter is that no matter what my criticism is of it, you will reject it wholesale because you’re a WNist. To you, there is no such thing as a critique of WNism, because it is uncritiquible in your mind.

Holy Moly, I’m having too much fun for my own good. Hey Phil, let’s take a look at this gem…

But we don’t believe in banning anyone as I hope you have understood by now.

No offense, but you’re full of it, Peterson. Remember Natvan? I’ll give you a refresher:

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/http_majorityrightscom_indexphp_hollis_second_post/

Let’s look at our good buddy Natvan’s post…

you should know that several Jews are a type of White people and that the Jews that are overrepresented in the top science and technology schools are usually White.

All hat and no cattle, these folk...or should I say all yarmulke and no cattle. Hollow out nationalism before it even starts. Oh sure, at first it’s just subtle remarks about the “offensive” German nationalism and the “well spoken” judeophilic Jared Taylor. But just wait till the hammer drops and the purge starts. Like National Review this will become yet another Israeli outpost. Get fitted for tefillin boys!

Honestly, there’s no much there that Svigor, Stuka, Effra, or Beck would disagree with. Where NatVan erred, however, was that he *dared* to attack one of MR’s bloggers! And that super-genius J Richards, no less! Ah, the horror! So what was good ol’ guessedworker’s pithy response?

Natvan,

Goodbye

Of course, the hero of our story, J. Richards, tried to convince guessedworker not to ban natvan:

I am glad that unlike razib of GNXP, you did not simply erase the rant by NatVan, thus showing your stronger commitment to freedom of speech.  I would recommend that you not ban NatVan but flag such absurd posts in the future with the disclaimer that the outrageous comments expressed do not reflect the views of any on the bloggers at majorityrights, but are left there by the moderators in the spirit of freedom of speech.  I don’t think that you need be much concerned about NatVan spamming the comments section frequently because NatVan will post at most a few more rants and will go back to posting at Stormfront or equivalent.

Unfortunately for Natvan, guessedworker wasn’t convinced:

seelow, you said:

BTW, whatever happened to arcane’s promised dissection of Kevin Nacdonald’s Judaism trilogy.

It’s a work in progress… I’m still collecting articles and research, and I still have to purchase two of his books. I’ve also been incredibly busy with school (as seen by the fact that I haven’t written any long GNXP posts lately like my ones in the past) and will probably not have the time to thoroughly work on it until either this fall or early winter.

Looks like it might just be a book-length project, since MacDonald’s books are not just about Judaism, but cover a whole myriad of subjects.

Right, and the reason you haven’t banned Arcane is because you “don’t believe in banning.” Natvan sure agrees

And then “Random Lurker” who cannot grasp the difference between two sites, where one has banned ONE person due to their completely inflammatory post with no redeeming qualities or room for discussion and another where simply the mention of Whites with a capital W is enough for banning.  LOL

Yeah, he’s got a real legitimate bone to pick!

Murder spree?  Even if whites became a minority in the U.S. (not a concern to me in and of itself, though large numbers of poor Hispanics could definately become a problem to say the least), it would be nothing tantamount to murder.

If you prefer “sterilization”, we will use that term.  However, the indisputable ultimate result is that every non-white imported into a white country (assuming, unrealistically, equal resource consumption) precludes the existence of a white.  There is only so much of this world to go around, and it is tempting to say it is a zero-sum game.  But it is not.  The size of the “pie” can be expanded to some degree, at least temporarily, through technological advance.  The diminution of the white proportion of the world’s population, of course, slows the growth of the pie, and ultimately the “pie” will shrink.

Phil, you said:

Its mystifying that while you keep hurling insults at various people, accuse people of sympathising with Hitler…

Well, a lot of your commenters do sympathize with Hitler, as do some of your bloggers (such as Tomislav Sunic, who has given speeches to the openly national socialist NON in Italy, NPD in Germany, and National Alliance in the US, and has praised the Waffen-SS in many of his articles; however, now that he is doing diplomatic work again, he has removed himself from all mailing lists of those organizations).

...and Stalin…

Well, I did that as something of a joke, but oh well.

If you find this blog so unfriendly and hostile and the bloggers uncivil towards you, then don’t come here and show some self respect instead of throwing tantrums like a teenager.

I wish you would apply that same logic to GNXP, since you guys attack it left and right… quite frankly, I sort of like this blog, because you do hit some things that others don’t hit, and publish opinions that others won’t publish. Besides, you guys have a GNXP blogger among you: Thrasymachus.

Its a bit much for you (coming from a blog that randomly bans people left right and centre)…

Well, I don’t know about everyone else, but every person that I’ve banned I’ve shot an e-mail at telling them why I banned them and offered to unban them.

But one thing which is clear to all of us is that your participation in almost all threads is usually defined by accusatory, disruptive and destructive tactics.

Not true. In case you’ve forgotten, look at the very earliest threads on this blog. I praised you guys. If my friends weren’t attacked merely because of their skin color and national origin by you guys, I doubt any of this would have ever happened. Razib originally even linked this blog up on GNXP, in case you’ve forgotten.

Every one of us who has been arguing with you since you started posting your comments here has undertsood that much.

Again, read what I read above. I seem to remember the first time I was attacked it was by Geoff, who attacked with a slew of feces-laced analogies, including “excrement spreader,” “excrement smearer,” who has his “hands full of excrement” (which he continued by saying that JJ Ray has it “on his face") because I criticized Kevin MacDonald. Before then, I had not made a single nasty comment about you guys. I did not begin this.

We banned Abiola Lapite, too, so don’t give me this crap that we only ban WNists. - Arcane

Arcane, you aren’t parading out the “Abiola card” are you?  LOL Abiola is a vile, bitter little Afrocentric apologist who repeatedly spewed insults at GC.  GC, the humanitarian, took it for MONTHS before he decided to ban him and only after Abiola posted nothing but inflammatory, derogatory remarks and nothing else.  Spare me the comparison, dude.  As Ephraim is quick to say, in his case WRONGLY I may add, it is a non sequitur.

And don’t get me wrong… I have Sunic’s book on the “New Right” in Europe, Against Democracy and Equality. It’s a very interesting read, although I’m done with it now and want to read Michael O’Meara’s (that’s a pseudonym; real name is Michael Torigian) book on it.

I’m currently selling that on Amazon for cheaper than anyone else on the net, in case any of you guys are interested.

Kubilai, I admit you have a point--I did grow overly heated, and for that, I apologize. As Sybach pointed out, not all the white women J. Richards posted are unattractive, and personally speaking, I don’t find white women in general unattractive. I suppose I came off that way, and I apologize.

The sample photos of this site in particular clearly shows a “rounding” of the eyes that us “roundeyes” seem to take for granted.  Let me repeat, Asians have the surgery for conformity to widely-accepted standards of aesthetics and balance, i.e WHITES.  Also you go on and finish this post with...Personal observations are great and all, but I’m looking for hard, empirical data.

All well and good, however one needs to follow one’s advice and not pin his entire argument on what he observes with a few Asian chicks he knows. 

As I mentioned above, my complaint wasn’t that *no* Asian women got this surgery to look more white--I distinctly said that a few women might opt for this procedure to look more white. What I was protesting was Mr. Richard’s failure to acknowledge other possible reasons for it, which were attested to in the article he himself provided.

Great, take them.  However that was NOT the point of the log entry, was it if you actually digested it for a few seconds before spouting off one hyperventilatory inanity after another?  He was stating the universal concepts of White beauty and comparing it to mixed women and NOT individual preferences that you enjoy whacking off to.  Get it?

This is simply vulgar. If I was “uncivil” in my previous post, I ought to apologize for encouraging that sort of behavior in you.

In this case, you do not adequately defend Mr. Richards. As I pointed out above, I am not the only person to question Mr. Richard’s aesthetic preferences. As Edgar has pointed out, his arguments would be greatly buttressed if he used pictures of women *all* whites would consider attractive, which he didn’t. Whatever the merits of his post, they would have come across with much greater force had he taken into note not only my considerations, but also those of edgar, and also Phil Peterson.

That’s exactly what you were doing and failing to realize that was not the point of the log, though that didn’t stop you from acting completely puerile and taking off on your own tangent.

You’re right, I apologize, and I must thank both you and Sybach for pointing out that I was overly critical of the poor girls whom J Richards chose as examples. It was certainly most ungentlemanly of me. I and Mr. Peterson may find Ms. Bellucci attractive, evidently Mr. Richards finds the girls in his figures more to his liking. As the Roman saying goes, there is no disputing tastes.

“Is Arcane white? He’s from GNXP, so he might be one of those ‘extended phenotypes’ JW’s always talking about.” (—Ephraim)

White?  He never said.  As for “extended phenotype,” well, he sure as hell behaves like one.  Exactly like one.  Hey if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck, it’s probably a duck, right?  So ... I’d say he’s an extended phenotype, all right.  Same as you, Ephraim—that’s exactly what you seem to be, an extended phenotype.  Hey you’re starting to catch on. Good.

“Even if whites became a minority in the U.S. (not a concern to me in and of itself, [...]” (—bb)

Not of any concern to you?  Well you DON’T SAY!  Gee, WHOEVER WUDDA GUESSED?  (Talk about stating the obvious ....) So, what else is new, Birch? ...  Anything else to surprise us with?  (I mean, as if, had you held any other views, you’d have been invited to blog at Hindu&OrientalAntiWhiteCentral.com ... Like the whole thing comes as a big surprise to us ...) “several hundred thousand immigrants per year is not going to have a big impact [just make sure it’s Hindus and Chinese, not Negroes or Mexicans]” (I repeated that here, just to make sure the phenotypes you devote your life to saw it and will know you’ve been seeing to your job description, bb.  They’ll congratulate you later—hey maybe they’ll even let you blog again (that is, once they’ve decided you’d cleaned their boots enough with your tongue ...)!  Wouldn’t that be great!)

“And it’s not a ‘rule,’ but a principle… ‘Ethnic pride’ is a ‘Don’t,’ no matter what your ethnicity is.” (—Arcane)

Maybe the place has changed since a couple years ago when I stopped going there, Arc, but back then it was awash in Subcontinental and yellow ethnic pride, absolutely bursting with it, which was perfectly fine with me, but when I once opened my mouth to respond in kind to an obnoxious yellow named “AsianDude” who’d attacked U.S. whites in a nasty way I was instantly banned and the entire exchange erased, amidst a torrent of the sickest, most psychotic babblings spewing from the Godless Capitalist’s maw, in such a way that I realized for the first time what the name of the game was with him (he identifies extremely strongly with non-whites against whites in this whole anti-white thing going on nowadays) and of course never again sullied my foot by setting it there in that anti-white cesspool.  I’ll note that I never received anything but gentlemanly treatment from Razib or Jason Molloy (neither of whom has any objection to white race-replacement, by the way).

“the white women (esp. the Finnish one) here (scroll down for the white women) for example are pretty hot, but there’s at least a half dozen East Asian women in my bio lecture I’d take over any of them.” (—Birch)

Yeah, too bad none of the half-dozen would take you, Birch ...  But dream on, by all means ....

Random Lurker, you sure are doing a lot of crybabying here.  You wouldn’t be NatVan posting under another pen name, would you?  Never got over your banning?

Random Lurker, you sure are doing a lot of crybabying here.  You wouldn’t be NatVan posting under another pen name, would you?  Never got over your banning?

Nope. I don’t have the same fixation with Jews he does. Whatever charges you levy against me, you can’t claim I ever called you “Scroobyberg”

And calling me a crybaby, honestly, I’m just pointing out the hypocracy that seems prevalent in this site, Fred. Candidly speaking, you impressed me when you apologized for your behavior--you’re a bigger man than I thought. If the other bloggers ‘round here could show the same spine and admit that yes, there have been many occaisons when they’ve proven themselves to be just as “uncivil” as their detractors, I wouldn’t be hanging around.

Same as you, Ephraim—that’s exactly what you seem to be, an extended phenotype.  Hey you’re starting to catch on. Good.

I don’t go to GNXP either. Neither does Sybach, if you’re wondering--he’s a friend of mine.

And as for me being an “extended phenotype?” I actually DON’T support turning America into a dark-skinned nation. I just don’t think non-white women are as “unfeminine” as J. Richards does. If he believes so, that’s his business, and it was uncivil of me to contest that. His tastes do not seem to be as widely held as he makes them out to be, however.

That sounds like a conciliatory note, Random.  Haven’t they admitted they’re not perfect?  I’m certainly not.

As I said, it takes a pretty big man to admit that, Fred. Unfortunately, many of your comrades don’t seem to have taken that step. For some reason, Phil neglected to mention natvan’s banning when he said MR “doesn’t believe in banning.” For some reason, everyone jumps on Arcane’s behavior while ignoring even worse behavior on the part of their fellows, such as Kubilai’s lewd suggestion. As I said, if the other denizens of MR were able to apologize as openly as you were, I likely wouldn’t be here, or if I were, I’d be much more civil. Unfortunately, that has yet to be the case.

Svigor, Frank, you said:

That’s nonsense.  The fact that you have not (if memory serves) successfully critiqued WNism does not lead to the conclusion that WNism is “uncritiquible” in my mind.

That’s because in your mind it’s uncritiquible! You made my point for me.

If a WN promotes literal race war or genocide I feel he is indeed espousing a brand of WNism that is very open to attack.

I’d much rather have an e-mail debate over this instead of hijacking this thread, but since you’re so keen on this… what WNists promote race war or genocide? The entire national socialist wing does, and there’s a lot of NSs in the WNist movement. I don’t worry about Jared Taylor… I worry about people like William Pierce. I have never alleged that all WNists espouse race war or genocide; what I have alleged is that the majority do, and based on the comments of many commentators here and ones we’ve banned at GNXP, I’m right when I say this.

I don’t promote those things ... and I feel that attacking me and my WNism based on that other WN’s beliefs isn’t fair.

OK, maybe it is unfair. But it doesn’t help when you link to websites run by those who sympathize with Hitler or are openly national socialist, like TBR News and American Free Press (both of which were created by Willis Carto), National Journal, National Vanguard, National Alliance, Creativity World Wide (otherwise known as WCOTC), David Duke, Kevin Strom, Chuck Pearson, White Revolution, Stormfront, etc.

You delegitimize yourself when you do this.

Your rhetorical habit of branding people Nazis when they display no real sign of National Socialist leanings is an indication that you are somewhat less than honest on this issue.

Based on the sites listed above, who is being dishonest?

Out of curiousity, I ask if you troll Zionist and Neocon Websites and challenge their beliefs.  Do you troll Black Nationalist sites and debate BNs?

Yes, I do, actually. I disagree with neocons all the time.

There are a few “Lurkers” on MR, none of whom are me, obviously--just compare our posts. - Random Lurker

I never said you were the same lurker as the other ‘lurkers’ here on MR.  I said you have the same exact “Random Lurker” name, with capitals, as the Random Lurker on GnXp.  If you aren’t the same, and it is a possibility though somewhat remote, then so what?  Am I to assume there are two creative geniuses with the “Random Lurker” id?  Regardless, your point was picking the ONE person banned, in a quite unique situation, as some confirmation that people get banned here, which is hardly the case.  Is that your contribution?

Not only did he say stuff most of you agree with, he said it without resorting to swearing or references to masturbation, which can’t be said of our good buddy Kubilai. - Random Lurker again

The point GW was making in banning him is that he came and spewed garbage in typical Neo-Nazi fashion.  NONE of us here are Neo-Nazis, you dinkus.  When we speak of “stuff” here, we make sure that it is either referenced or verifiable.  Just because a Neo-Nazi hates Jews for no apparent reason aside from that is what he is supposed to do, does not mean he has anything in common with people here. 

As to masturbation, LOL, don’t worry, you won’t grow hair on your palms.  Sorry to have offended your virgin eyes, “Random Lurker”.

As I said, if the other denizens of MR were able to apologize as openly as you were, I likely wouldn’t be here, or if I were, I’d be much more civil. Unfortunately, that has yet to be the case. - Random Lurker, yet again

Oh good grief, man!  LOL You’re here specifically to keep us in line, otherwise you’d have no interest to be here?  I believe that LESS than I believe you aren’t the same RL on GnXp.  For me, there is nothing to apologize to you about.  Your pitbull latching of Phil does not deserve any apology from my part because it was uncalled for and the banning was an isolated event.  GET IT??

“Yeah, too bad none of the half-dozen would take you, Birch ...  But dream on, by all means ....”

Well you could be right, but that’s not the point--anyway whatever my chances with those girls in my bio class, my chances with any who look like Hanna Ek are far worse.

Oh good grief, man!  LOL You’re here specifically to keep us in line, otherwise you’d have no interest to be here?  I believe that LESS than I believe you aren’t the same RL on GnXp.  For me, there is nothing to apologize to you about.  Your pitbull latching of Phil does not deserve any apology from my part because it was uncalled for and the banning was an isolated event.  GET IT??

“Pitbull latching of Phil?” You’d think he’d be man enough to accept it when someone points out where he’s wrong. Fred Scrooby was able to do it, why not him?

And heck, if you want to apologize to somebody, apologize to Ephraim. Rude as he was, you were the one who brought up the subject of his “whacking off.”

Pretty common then!

I meant SFers who feel that way.

Oh for Chrissakes arcane, there’s a difference between a bookmarks dump (that page) and an endorsement, and you know it.  You’re making yourself look like a putz.

You’re coming across as a sophist here.

Natvan, a Neo-Nazi? He reminds me more of Svigor or Stuka than anyone else. The “garbage” he spewed was mainly stuff quite a few people would agree with. The only reason he was banned was that he happened to pick a fight with one of MR’s bloggers.

You are being a bit dense here, Random Lurker.  You allege that some people here agree with or are sympathetic to the statements made by Natvan (and I will be the first to say that the truth content of his comments is in fact greater than zero).  If your allegation is true, you should understand that this is an exacerbating not a mitigating factor.  How uncivil must one be to treat an allegedly sympathetic audience in that manner?

Wisest words that will ever be spoken in this thread:

ben, you said:

But the question this raises is, why do you care?  Why do you make this a priority?

There is a genocide in progress, and the victim is *our* genus!  The fact that you are a WASP should settle the question.  But ignore what should be a bias toward the preservation of your own kind.  How—objectively—can a genocide that is in progress and is certain to run to completion if present trends are not reversed be deemed a less pressing concern than a genocide that exists only in your speculations?

You know, this would be funny if it weren’t your true opinion…

Lets not forget that there are more European people on this planet now than there have ever been before and just because current birthrates are in a state of decline does not mean that a “genocide” is taking place. If there is a “genocide” taking place of white people, then it’s simply because white people are choosing not to have more than 2 children.

I don’t see how the fact that white people are voluntarily choosing to have less children justifies the forceful and coercive exterminationist ideas advocated by many of the groups I listed above.

Remember, genocide is “the systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.” There is no “systematic and planned extermination” of white people taking place (except in maybe Zimbabwe, which isn’t Europe… I’m focusing on Europe), but there is a “systematic and planned extermination” being planned by those groups listed above.

There is no comparison between the forceful genocides of the past with voluntarily declining birthrates now.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree on that. I don’t see immigration replacing whites anytime soon (like, within the next 100 years), especially in Europe. What I do see is declining birthrates, and I think those are of a much greater concern, along with multiculturalist propaganda, than immigration (which is a concern, just not the greatest).

In the US, immigration is the problem that I am most concerned about.

What I do see is declining birthrates, and I think those are of a much greater concern, along with multiculturalist propaganda, than immigration

The same govt that promotes mass immigration is the one that ignores declining birthrates. In reality they are both trivial to reverse; it’s not difficult to set the parameters of society so that those whom desire to have families are selected over those whom do not.

Tournament, you said:

The same govt that promotes mass immigration is the one that ignores declining birthrates.

Generally, the US does not have the same problem with birthrates that the Europeans do. The two areas with declining birth rates in the US are New England and the northwest… basically the blue states. The red states are reproducing way above replacement levels.

Ephraim,

Nowhere in my post do I imply that people do or should share my own views of what is appealing; once again, there are objective, exacting within-race criteria concerning aesthetic judgment, which need not be held by every same-race individual, but which will be held by the majority of same-race individuals.  I have known of some whites who have a strong sexual preference for some very specific types of non-whites but little sexual preference for whites, and then there are men who prefer obese women, and you also have homosexuals, pedophiles, those into bestiality, and people with a variety of other unusual sexual interests.  Every same-race individual cannot be expected to have the same exact aesthetic preferences; there is natural variation, and then sometimes things go wrong.  It is for this reason that one needs to consider the central tendency of race-specific aesthetic preferences to understand what is normal, and judge same-race individuals using these race-specific criteria.  In the case of Saira Mohan, I am applying European standards to her facial features--but not skin color--because her facial features are well-within the variation seen in Europe, and I need to consider whether race mixing has made her very attractive by European standards.  In a nutshell, it is not possible for me to judge the attractiveness of the women that I have featured by taking into consideration the preferences of all whites, let alone all humans.  Besides, I doubt that you are white, and even if you are, it is unlikely that you are Northern European.

On the other hand, as to what is masculine or feminine with respect to facial anatomy, it is well known how sex hormones sculpt facial features and it is a matter of objective analysis as to how masculine- or feminine-looking someone is, not a subjective judgment.  Consider the following reference to learn more about the effects of sex hormones on facial features: 

Antonio Rosas, Markus Bastir. Thin-plate spline analysis of allometry and sexual dimorphism in the human craniofacial complex. American Journal of Physical Anthropology, Volume 117, Issue 3, Date: March 2002, Pages: 236-245.

You have also noted, �I just don�t think non-white women are as �unfeminine� as J. Richards does.� Where did I say that non-white women in general are not very feminine? This post specifically focuses on one non-white woman, who is unambiguously not very feminine looking. 

Random Lurker,

For the record, NatVan was not banned for attacking an MR blogger, but he was banned by Guessedworker because Guessedworker wants the Jewish Question to be discussed at MR, and with absurd comments such as that of NatVan, it would not be possible to have a reasonable discussion in this regard.  The latter is something that you have copied and pasted; so, you should be aware of it.  Besides, I was not an MR blogger back then; I started blogging at MR roughly a month after the thread that you refer to was posted.

Amren_fan,

I have not posted at Amren, let alone used the alias that you mention.

“The same govt that promotes mass immigration is the one that ignores declining birthrates. In reality they are both trivial to reverse; it’s not difficult to set the parameters of society so that those whom desire to have families are selected over those whom do not.” (—Tournament)

This is one-hundred-percent right and very well put, Tournament.  You’re got a very big piece of the picture exactly right.

“The two areas with declining birth rates in the US are New England and the northwest… basically the blue states. The red states are reproducing way above replacement levels.” (—Arcane)

One is tempted to reply that this fact gives us all sorts of instruction as to what factors must be ameliorated in order to allow birth rates to rise to natural levels rather than permitting a situation in which government continues to push them forcefully down and bring in non-whites to make up the difference (in actual practice, to way more than make up the difference—the race-replacers are in a hurry, you know, and they are taking no chances:  they are determined to get this job done).  But replying that way would give the false impression that the behind-the-scenes forces pushing white race-replacement didn’t already know exactly what they were doing.  They already know precisely what the factors are pushing birthrates down and they damn well intend keeping those factors in place.  What this fact does, then, is simply verify what we’ve known all along.  No one needs this fact to “teach” them anything:  none of this is a surprise to either side of the issue.  It merely officially gives the lie to one side.  One can be absolutely certain that a highly partisan demographer like Ben Wattenberg who wants to see whites made a minority in this country knows exactly what those governmental factors are which forcefully push white birthrates down.  He doesn’t need facts like the ones in question to show him.  He just wants low white birth rates, that’s all.  We could speculate as to why.

Ben Tillman has that exactly right.  That’s exactly how the process works.

Hate to say it (because I disagree so much with his views on the importance of whiteness and WASPness)....

Birch, have you read David Sloan Wilson yet?  Do you understand multilevel organization & selection theory?  These are important ideas, and whatever you think of them you will need to appreciate them to understand my point of view.

“Non-whites are subsidized; whites are taxed.  Ergo, more non-whites; fewer whites.” (—Ben)

This is the race-replacement angle on this process which, predictably, Birch completely missed, taking the process as race-neutral in his note of 3:06, which it isn’t and isn’t meant to be by those in control.  So, that whole point was lost on you, Birch, but do stick around and keep trying as hard as you can—maybe at some unknown future moment you’ll actually get it right.

As for “the underclass,” Birch, that’s analogous to, let’s say, your two legs:  are you going to cut them off and have a surgeon graft a pair of Chinese legs on you in their place?  No.  They’re your legs; they’re part of you; you and they go together.  So’s the white underclass:  part of your race; your race and it go together.  Class-and-IQ snobs like the Hindu brahmins and overseas Chinese you pal around with at GnXp are that way because they have no nation—the Brahmins in India have only their class and disdain all else in their country, and the Overseas Chinese like Jason Soon have only their diaspora race and disdain the members of the nation-state in which they find themselves.  You, on the other hand, are a white man.  You have an entire nation you are attached to, something they know strictly nothing about.  And that nation consists partly of a traditional race and of the actual physical land that traditional race lives on, and that traditional race is made up of parts, all of which exchange genes with each other to a significant extent and have done for a thousand and more years.  Take away one of those parts and the whole entity changes:  it’s not as if you can take away one of those parts—“the underclass,” for example—and have the “overclass” stay the same.  You want to live among different kinds of people?  Then relocate to a different country.  Don’t try to change my country or my nation-state please.  I don’t want it changed.

Hmm...this is an interesting post. If I could make a few comments…

Both regular upper eyelid surgery and Asian eyelid surgery involve excision of excess fat and skin; the excesses of these structures being what make it difficult to apply make-up.  All one needs to do is to get rid of the excess; one doesn’t have to create a crease/fold.  Why don’t you understand that the creation of the crease/fold is for aesthetic reasons?  By now, you should have read what Kubilai has posted in this regard, a few comments below your comment.  Besides, the analogy involving homosexuals is not a non-sequitur; it is a similar example of not admitting to the true reasons out of embarrassment.  Once again, not all aspects of the upper eyelid surgery are related to looking whiter, but specifically the creation of the crease/fold in the upper eyelid.

I am not a surgeon, and I don’t know if you or Ephraim are, so I won’t comment on the technical aspects of blepharoplasty. However, I do have a question about the demographics of this procedure. The articles you provide seem to center around Asian women. Are there many Asian men who get this surgery done?

I also can’t help but wonder whether culture more than “aesthetic preferences” plays a part in this phenomenon. At this point in time, America in particular, and European countries in general, are the strongest states economically, politically, and culturally. It is unsurprising that many Asian women choose to “look more white,” since at this point in time, whites are still the dominant race (so to speak). Rummaging through MR’s archives, however, you can see that dominance beginning to ebb (although there are myriad posts I could cite, look for anything about the U.S economy, demographic shifts, and the Iraq War to see my point). In conjunction with this, the star of China seems to be rising (Again, your co-bloggers have written many posts about this subject as well). I am not sure whether a procedure to remove the non-Asian eyelid crease exists, but should Asian countries like China replace the U.S as the dominant superpower, it would be fascinating to see if white women began demanding such a procedure. Of course, that’s merely a hypothesis.

One more point. Sir, you claim that Asian women get this eyelid crease in order to “look more white.” It is obvious, however, that it is not only whites who posess this eyelid crease--blacks, Latinos, “Hindoos,” and Arabs are a few examples I can think of at the top of my head. An article you yourself provided would buttress that assertion, as http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=1618&IssueNum=87 points out, The eyelid fold is a dominant genetic trait found in nearly all non-Asians. If the eyelid crease is found in non-Asian races in general, not just whites, on what basis do you say that Asians get this surgery to look more white?

For the record, NatVan was not banned for attacking an MR blogger, but he was banned by Guessedworker because Guessedworker wants the Jewish Question to be discussed at MR, and with absurd comments such as that of NatVan, it would not be possible to have a reasonable discussion in this regard.

I agree; I’m about as wild-eyed an anti-Semite as MR wants around here.  What was one to think of NatVan when his first post was one like that?  How does one deal rationally with a person who “accuses” everyone he disagrees with of being Heimy-this or that-Stein?

As much of a pain in the ass as it is, the JQ is an extremely delicate issue since the overwhelming majority of whites wear the rosiest-tinted shades possible to view Jewry.