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Does race mixing increase physical attractiveness?Does race mixing increase the likelihood of physical attractiveness? Armand Marie Leroi, a developmental biologist at Imperial College, London, seems to think so, and as proof he offers the example of the “world’s most beautiful woman”: Saira Mohan, whose mother is French/Irish and father is Hindoo.
What logic does Leroi use to arrive at his curious assertion? Leroi asserts, correctly, that fewer deleterious mutations--that are associated with gene expression--should correspond to greater physical attractiveness. Leroi also notes, correctly, that deleterious mutations are typically recessive, i.e., will manifest in structure/function if one gets the same copy from both parents but not if one has only one copy. Leroi then argues that since recessive deleterious mutations vary by race, race-mixing should decrease the likelihood of obtaining identical copies of deleterious mutations from both parents, which should correspond to greater physical attractiveness in the mixed-race offspring. Great logic, isn’t it? One hardly need mention that such logic is well-received by the likes of Razib of GNXP. Let us address this logic. To start with, a gorilla with no deleterious mutations would be roughly as ugly--to the typical human--as a gorilla with dozens of deleterious mutations, i.e., there is obviously much more to beauty than the prevalence of deleterious mutations. Clearly, various physical traits have to be within certain bounds to be considered attractive. Indeed, it has been shown that beautiful faces--within a race--tend to have multiple anatomical traits close to the center of the trait distributions in their race. [1-3] As a side note, the most beautiful faces tend to somewhat deviate from the center of some trait distributions, but this does not concern us at present. Is there any significance to having multiple average anatomical traits? Yes, there is. Compared to individuals with multiple outlier anatomical traits, individuals with multiple average anatomical traits appear better equipped to canalize development well--i.e., channel development along the right developmental pathways--and to buffer against developmental perturbations. [4, 5] This should be intuitive: there is a correlation structure to genetic information--that varies by species and race--and there is bound to be a restricted range of the genetic-correlation-structure matrix that corresponds to optimal functioning. The centers of the trait distributions of facial features--as well as several other anatomical traits--vary by race. If two individuals of different races--both having multiple average traits within their respective races--were to breed, the offspring would not have multiple average traits of either parental race. How well-functioning will this individual be with respect to canalization of development and developmental stability compared to his parents? This question in best answered at a statistical level since some offspring resulting from same-race matings manifest poor canalization of development and evidence of not having effectively dealt with developmental perturbations, whereas many mixed-race individuals are healthy. As I will address in detail in a future post, the overall health of major mixed-race populations such as South Asians, South American Latinos, and African-Americans is worse than that of major populations with little other-population admixture such as Northwestern Europeans and Northeastern Asians. On the other hand, since recessive deleterious mutations are typically rare, the potential adverse health consequences of notably altering race-specific genetic correlation structures outweigh the possible race-mixing benefits related to decreasing the likelihood of obtaining identical copies of recessive deleterious mutations from parents belonging to different races. Leroi and Razib need to understand that in so far as physical attractiveness related to a genetic constitution associated with better canalization of development and developmental stability is concerned, mixed-race individuals are expected to be, on average, worse off than individuals with little other-race genetic admixture. Razib may mention hybrid vigor (offspring better than parents, overall, on average) and ignore the possibility of what appears to be more likely--which I will elaborate on in the future: outbreeding depression (offspring worse than parents, overall, on average). The attractiveness of mixed-race individuals should be compared with that of their parents using non-arbitrary standards. This is very difficult in several cases. For instance, if the parental races are very different looking, and the mixed-race offspring look in between, then the exacting beauty standards that apply to the race of one parent could not be applied to the race of the other parent, and both exacting beauty standards could not be applied to the offspring. On the other hand, in cases of race mixing where one parent is white and the other a black African or Chinese, the offspring overwhelmingly look like the non-white parent, and their beauty is best compared to that of their non-white parent. It is commonly observed that African-Americans generally hold the looks of notably “whitified” persons such as Halle Berry or Vanessa Williams in higher regard than the looks of the black Africans from West Africa from whom they are descended. Similarly, some Asians undergo corrective surgery to straighten their eyelids (blepharoplasty), reduce the size of their cheekbones (malarplasty), make their nose more projecting (rhinoplasty), etc. On the other hand, whites who undergo cosmetic facial surgery never try to acquire the facial features of black Africans or flat-faced Asians; rather, they attempt to acquire classic Northern European facial traits. Therefore, from the perspective of whites--and undoubtedly some non-whites, too--white/non-white mixtures are less attractive than the white parent, on average, but more attractive than the non-white parent, on average. Armand Marie Leroi uses an example of a white/Hindoo mix, where the Hindoo comes from Northwestern India, a region known to harbor many people with the major facial features of Europeans (Figure 2).
As can be seen in Figure 3, if one ignores skin color, Saira Mohan’s facial features are well-within the variation seen in Europe. Therefore, given that Leroi calls Mohan the “world’s most beautiful woman,” her facial features should be judged by European [high] standards. In the images shown below, please ignore pigmentation. Firstly, it is clear that Saira Mohan is not very feminine looking (Figure 3): note masculine glabellar (forehead) projection, low-set eyebrows, projecting [beyond feminine norm] nose, and general overall masculinization.
Saira Mohan’s nostrils (Figure 4) clearly deviate from the classic European type (Figure 5).
Note that Saira Mohan’s cheekbones are more robust than that of beautiful white women, on average (see Figures 4 and 5). A beautiful white woman would be expected to have fine nasal bones that are flattened on the sides, which Saira Mohan does not possess (Figure 6).
Finally, compare Saira Mohan to the beautiful white women shown below (Figure 7).
In summary, since European beauty standards--with respect to facial anatomy but not pigmentation--can be applied to the facial features of Saira Mohan, it is very clear that there are many white women far more beautiful than her. Armand Marie Leroi is talking patent nonsense by calling her a great beauty. Leroi is not taking the specifics of anatomy into account, something that is central to beauty. Indeed, who in his rational mind would believe that the beauty of white women--such as depicted in Figure 7--could be increased via the absorption of non-whites among whites? It would be difficult to obtain a fine-featured Caucasoid if any of the white women shown in Figures 5 and 7 bred with a Hindoo. On the other hand, the aesthetic consequences of breeding with flat-faced Asians or black Africans requires no comment. Literature Cited:
1. Langlois JH, Roggman LA: Attractive faces are only average. Psychological Science, 1990, 1:115-121.
Posted by J Richards on Saturday, May 28, 2005 at 02:11 PM in Anthropology, Ethnicity and Ethnic Genetic Interests, Race realism Comments:Page 5 of 6 pages « FirstP < 3 4 5 6 > Posted by silver on December 11, 2007, 07:06 AM | #
GW, why isn’t the point made somewhere on this site that eventual extinction is the inevitable result of mixing? Obvious as it might be to yourself and others, it is not obvious to everyone. I doubt many mixers are as indifferent to the extinction of their kind as their behavior at first glance suggests; oftentimes they are simply unaware of the consequences, or if they are, want to have their cake and to eat it too. Furthermore, my being the visible product of ancestral mixing while at the same time accepting your kind’s right to its genetic integrity is evidence that not all aliens are beyond reason. (Were it that Fred Scrooby could be as forthright.) Posted by sunshine on December 11, 2007, 07:11 AM | # The european-looking arab and Indian actresses are prettier than nordic women for me. because they have more beautifull eyes and narrow face. The Nordic women have small eyes like chinese and board face.
Posted by silver on December 11, 2007, 07:24 AM | #
Most here would disagree and would find the material you have posted confirmation that you are wrong. That aside, taken at face-value your motive for posting here would seem to be not to dispute that any such thing as a “most beautiful” race could be determined, rather that nordics are not it, that race being oriental caucasoids. On a site dedicated to preserving European (though admittedly mostly nordic) genetic interests, such behavior is unbecoming; find another place to flaunt (spam) your aesthetic preferences. Otherwise, reconsider your motives. Posted by Guessedworker on December 11, 2007, 07:55 AM | # Silver, The concentration here on Nordic genetic interests is a product of two things. First, “Anglophonia” ... which filters out northern Slavs somewhat, without implying any antipathy towards them. Second, visual distinctiveness ... the fine-boned, blond Nordic female provides a more immediate contrast than does Meditteranean or southern Slav beauty. Nonetheless, the principle of preserving European genetic interests - as opposed merely to culture or heritage or whatever - is what it is, and holds true for all of us. (And if J Richards had not developed his interesting but obviously, for some, controversial theme of “fineness”, the making of an argument for preservation based on the local desirability of adaptive traits, with no reference to some objective measure of absolute beauty, would be applicable to any people tribe or people, European or otherwise.) You are right about the miscegenation issue. Fred Scrooby has an interesting idea that women are very poor performers when it comes to perceiving race. In the past, I’ve proposed that this might be rooted in an evolved willingness to mate with non-tribal males if these had been successful in battle against the males of the tribe - that being the only way open to the women to pursue their genetic interests. I will give some thought to a post on the costs of miscegenation, which can be linked to the side-bar through the existing “Important Issues” facility. Silver, I tried to mail you a couple of days ago about the Kosovo situation, in case you hads an opinion on it. My mail was returned by the “demon”. If you are interested, pleasse contact me through the button on the header. Posted by S.D on December 11, 2007, 09:54 AM | # I do not want to talk with the people like you that much. All of you have to reconsider your motives, not me
Posted by sunshine D on December 11, 2007, 10:47 AM | # You are right about the miscegenation issue. Fred Scrooby has an interesting idea that women are very poor performers when it comes to perceiving race. In the past, I’ve proposed that this might be rooted in an evolved willingness to mate with non-tribal males if these had been successful in battle against the males of the tribe - that being the only way open to the women to pursue their genetic interests. I will remember that? that is the way of people called themselve Aryan? by insulting other people like they are not humans. Posted by silver on December 11, 2007, 01:15 PM | # Sunshine, there is much more that could be said about beauty than J. Richards has written. I have found his work revealing and it has helped me gain a deeper appreciation of feminine beauty. That said, I remain unconvinced that the matter is quite as cut and dried as he has a tendency to think. GW rightly calls “fineness” a “controversial” theme. In times past I have placed much greater aesthetic value on “exotic” features he devalues as “robust”; that I no longer do is interesting in itself, and a subject worthy of further investigation. Bear in mind his objective is genetic preservation, and it is entirely possible affects his judgement, causing him to value (or to “read value into") certain features and consequently to devalue others; it is entirely possible that my own aesthetic revaluation is a result of the same. It is interesting, too, that while I find myself able to appreciate nordic beauty, and value it above the beauty of others, in a “technical” sense, I nonetheless maintain an (innate?) affinity for the mediterranean type (lack of “fineness” notwithstanding!).
For example:
Posted by Tommy G on December 11, 2007, 02:19 PM | # >>“It is interesting, too, that while I find myself able to appreciate nordic beauty, and value it above the beauty of others, in a “technical” sense, I nonetheless maintain an (innate?) affinity for the mediterranean type (lack of “fineness” notwithstanding!).” Silver, Maybe my eyesight isn’t as good as what it used to be but the picture of the very attractive young women you posted, IMO, has fine features. >>“Bear in mind his [my] objective is genetic preservation, and it is entirely possible affects his judgement, causing him to value (or to “read value into") certain features and consequently to devalue others...” Speaking for myself, I want to preserve the white-race because it’s preserving me/us. Why should we sacrifice ourselves (some estimate - 150,000 years of genetic evolution) only to disgaurd it by miscegenating with non-whites. For whites, it will obviously result in our de-evolution and eventual genocide. I find it completely unacceptable the Jews (along with their white liberal dupes) have succeeded through a massive propaganda campaign to convince whites that race is only a social construct; therefore, it is their, whites, moral duty to deny one’s own race and miscegenate with non-whites. Disgusting!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sorry to get redundant here: “Nobel-prize winning physicist William Shockley, the inventor of the semiconductor, devoted the latter part of his career to the study of eugenics. His work and the work of numerous other respected scientists of the last forty years has proven that race-mixing is nothing but de-evolution which lowers and destroys both races. Those who seek to encourage such genocide are those who are already mongrels, the Communist, antichrist Jews.” http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00Bq00 Posted by sunshine on December 11, 2007, 03:09 PM | # To silver, anyway thank for the websit. it’s great. Posted by silver on December 11, 2007, 03:12 PM | # Tommy, I don’t disagree with what you’ve said there. I only meant it’s possible J. Richard’s aesthetic valuations are affected by his desire to preserve nordic genotypes (and thus phenotypes). I hypothesized that this may lead him to see more beauty in certain distinctive nordic features and consequently less value in non-nordic features. I think there is a limit to how far such reasoning can be taken, however; for instance, strong negroid and australoid features are unlikely to ever “become” attractive no matter the reasoning employed to increase their value. Though even here an admission is due: in younger (and more ignorant) rap-"music" listening days, I did develop an attraction to certain American negro rappers (females, I mean), and I even briefly dated a South African mulatta (a very attractive one, actually). About the model, yes I agree she has rather fine features. That wasn’t the picture I thought I was posting, however! The one I had in mind was even more distinctively Med; though looking at the one I had in mind again, even she is finer than I originally thought. I’d have to regoogle in order to post it, but I think this thread has seen enough of that. Posted by sunshine on December 11, 2007, 03:31 PM | # One thing that you can not find the value of beauty in the white women. their culture and tradition do not make them have value of themselve. I think you have to look more the inside of people more than the outside. Posted by Alex on December 11, 2007, 11:20 PM | # A lot of nice pics there of Indians Sunshine. If anyone happens to wonder just how it was that Indians (of India proper) got to be in the Carribean, South Africa, and for a long time Uganda, and the Chinese in California, look no further than that variant of slavery known as ‘cheap labor’, the basis of the ideology of multi-culturalism. People have historically attempted to avoid war as much as possible as the invasions that war often brings also tends to bring with it (as part of the territory) social chaos, cultural destruction, mass murder, and rapine. The ‘importation’ of ‘cheap labor’ artificially creates wave after wave of invasion, and due to the huge numbers of persons exploited in this manner, ultimately far more social destruction than war generally does. They couldn’t very well tell people the truth of the matter, that due to the extreme greed and self-centerdness of a relative few, that this was taking place. No, that wouldn’t do. And those relative few promoting this sure couldn’t have the peoples of the world, whether being preyed upon as a source of cheap labor or on the receiving end, naturally attempting to preserve themselves, as this would get in the way of the obtainment of the incredible profits to be had, effectively calculated in 1863* by the former US treasurer and slave speculator Robert Walker to be four times those of the already lucrative and socially destructive chattel slavery and its trade that these sorts had been engaging in. It no doubt seemed a tall order, perhaps even impossible, but if the peoples of the world could be persuaded to somehow embrace their own physical and cultural destruction, the way for the obtainment of these profits would be made sure. With the development of the cult of multi-culturalism they think they have resolved this dillemma. Or so they think… For almost sixty years, the Nourse Line would primarily engage its oceanic fleet in the transport of cheap labor.
* Walker, utilizing US census data for 1860, compared Massachusetts, which was heavily reliant on ‘cheap labor’ imported at that time from Canada and Europe, with South Carolina, which was heavily reliant on chattel slaves. Posted by Alex on December 12, 2007, 12:16 AM | # Nowadays the ‘coolies’ or slaves, often aka ‘immigrants’, preyed upon and ‘imported’ from devastated portions of Europe, Africa, South and Central America, and or Asia, and where due to their bordering in utter destitution, the crumbs they are paid seems like a lot to them, often now are brought in by jet, and not simply by boat as in yester-year.
To give a person an idea of the numbers, according to the BBC, at the heighth of the Trans-Atlantic [Chattel] Slave Trade in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, 50,000 persons were transported a year. Much against the British peoples will, in the year 2006, twelve times that number, ie 600,000, were ‘imported’ into the UK as ‘cheap laborers’. Similarly in the US, three million ‘cheap laborers’ in the year 2004 alone were ‘imported’ via of a purposely more or less opened border, that is sixty times the numbers transported at the heighth of the chattel slave trade. The US ‘imports’ more ‘cheap laborers’ than any other country on the face of the Earth, and as with just about everywhere else, this exploitation is much agains the wishes of the vast majority of the people living within the country. For those who not be aware, the rot that is at the core of the ideology of multi-culturalism…
Posted by Yuezhus on December 12, 2007, 04:07 PM | # J Richards...from now on known only as Kemp Defender, or KD, for as long as you defend him: I’m sorry, but you don’t consider Arthur Kemp’s writings, more specifically ‘March of the Titans’ (and I cringe here) to be fraudulent, unhistorical and foolish. This means that despite you having intelligence, shown by your grasp of anthropology, genetics and web coding, you are being a buffoon. The ancient Greeks were overwhelmingly dark haired and dark eyed. Yes, this applies to the aristocratic class as well, and the fundamentalist attitude of the ancient Greeks towards the aristocracy, endogamy and citizenship is an overblown yet cunning invention on the part of Nordicists, a group you are part of. You attempt an escape from this label by using one definition of ‘Nordicist’: a person who wants Nordics to take over other countries or do some ethnic cleansing. But ‘Nordicist’ can also mean someone who ascribes to Nordic Theory, which you do, even if they respect other people’s sovereignty. Yes, I know you don’t think Nordics created or took over EVERY civilization, but you still think that they took over far more civilizations than they actually did. Arthur Kemp, however, enthusiastically announces Nordics as the creator of EVERY civilization ever, even the Olmec one!! But of course he is much more honest than that horrid Med, Dienekes, who obviously deserves to be ‘infuriated’ purely by being non-Nordic. When you perform your role as Kemp Defender by giving the impression that Kemp is trustworthy and scholarly, people will automatically think you agree with his views, and by extension, think you a massive Nordicist. I actually agree that modern Greeks are substantially different from the ancients, partly thanks to the Byzantine and Ottoman Empires, but that doesn’t mean I think they were Nordic. Dienekes is in error if he assumes complete continuity, but he isn’t distorting facts when says the Hellenes often thought of themselves as substantially darker in physical appearance from the blue eyed, pale, light haired Thracians, Dacians, Scythians and Celts. Their head God, Zeus, in fact, had black hair and dark eyes. I am aware that the noses of Greek sculpture were often aquiline and well formed. What you need to take into account is how commonly these sculptures were painted with black hair and brown eyes, and that these noses appeared in late Archaic/early Classical sculpture, before individual portraiture became prevalent. A more plausible interpretation would be that the Greeks liked to portray their Gods as having beautiful faces with well formed noses, which are actually easier to sculpt. They may have looked at the better looking among them for inspiration. Your poor examples of blondism in Greece are extremely misleading, because they are very uncommon. Not only that, but Maenads, the elderly, and Trojans aren’t representative of the average ancient Greek. If you would be so kind as to actually read what Dienekes has to say, you would see that Kemp had cut out two black haired Greek soldiers standing among a subdued blonde-haired Trojan. How can you defend this? There’s more to say on the matter, like how the ‘Keltic Iron Age type’ is commonly dark haired and swarthy, and may represent the ancient Greeks rather than stereotypical Nordic Scandinavians and fits well within Angels Nordic Iranian D1-D3 parameters, and that phenotypical differentiation between rich and poor Athenian citizens was a clever invention by Nordicists, but that’s for another day. I would like you to look closely at this Roman painting of Ares and Aphrodite, which may be a copy of a Greek painting from the late Hellenistic age.
Would you equate these people with Scandinavians? I am a 19 year old English guy, just as you say you’re genetically English living in America. This doesn’t mean I should rely on fiction to solidify my and my extended family’s survival. Why do you do this? It’s not on. ‘Nordic Desert Empire’. Yeah. Posted by braveblondegirl on December 19, 2007, 04:56 AM | # can someone answer this question. i have noticed on this board that there is alot of blame put on the white females who choose to marry outside their race. but this is a two way street, which white men were the first to travel down!!! white slave owners had sex or rather raped the black female slaves producing some of the very first biracial offspring! and I currently dont know one white man who would pass up the opportunity to date/have sex with an asian chick! Infact I would go so far to say that alot of the white guys I know would rather have sex with an average asian chick, then even a very beautiful white chick. I also know alot of white guys who have claim to have a certain type of “fever” which biologically compels them, you know what they say.
so please dont think that A. white women have not noticed this trend or
God, it makes perfect sense. If the men in clan are seeking mates outside of the clan, then who will the women choose for mates? Are the white women going to simply hang around and take the “leftovers” that the hot asian, biracial, or indian chicks did not want??? or are they going to sacrifice something inorder to get a worthy mate who is albeit outside their race, and maybe not the first choice, but a good choice all the same, if he is sucessful. I think most women would sacrifice race, inorder to get a good mate. Especially when all the guys she would have chosen from her own race are already banging hot asian chicks or persian chicks or biracial or whatever! it makes me laugh that these white guys are sitting around yak-yak-yaking about a racial “mixing” problem, when they are the same types who started this trend...HELLO?? call me an uneducated fool but this is something I am observing as I get more into the dating world. many guys dont even like blondes (*i should know, I am a blonde!) because they feel they are washed out looking. Most models are not blonde anymore, most actresses are mixed, this is just the trend, and there is no one out there who can stop this speeding train. I have also noticed that there is alot of pressure to tan, until you are quite dark, and there is also a trend towards thicker lips. Come on! Am I the only one brave enough to say it like it is????????? Posted by braveblondegirl on December 19, 2007, 05:06 AM | # two other things, people, then I am done. I dont remember the last time a blonde haired blue eyed guy asked me out. actually I think I was 16 years old!
and the last 2 guys to ask me out were not white. so I think that just as white guys
and I also wanted you to see the other side of the story there is a website http://www.bitterasianmen.com which is ALL ABOUT the fact that they (the aisan guys) believe that the white guys are taking most of the asian chicks!!!! Its a phenomena! lol..but makes me sad because I probably wont be having little blonde babies at this rate. :( Posted by Maguire on December 19, 2007, 02:15 PM | # Alex, “To give a person an idea of the numbers” There was another vast humanoid traffic underway at the same time. This was the mass transport of Eastern European Khazar Jews to North America. Hillaire Belloc once described this movement as a ‘well disciplined invasion”. The shipping line in this case was the “Hamburg-American Line”. This line came to be owned by Jew Albert Ballin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Ballin The scale of this operation is illustrated by the fact that forty-two (42) Hamburg-American passenger liners and passenger-cargo liners were trapped in New York Harbor on the outbreak of World War I. Ballin was one of Kaiser Willy’s good Jew buddies, along with his Jew prime minister Bethmann-Hollweg. Life long Zionist and alcoholic Winston S. Churchill once gave a sanitized account of pre-war proceedings in “The World Crisis: Volume I”. One of Churchill’s Jew pay masters, Ernest Cassel, went to Germany to meet with Jew Ballin and Jew Bethmann Hollweg to discuss limiting the dreadnaught battleship naval arms race. They ‘failed’ and the rest, as they say, is ‘history’. Maguire Posted by GT on December 19, 2007, 06:42 PM | # Silly blondechick,
…but this is a two way street, which white men were the first to travel down!!! white slave owners had sex or rather raped the black female slaves producing some of the very first biracial offspring!
Today’s “have-it-all” white woman’s motivation is economically irrational. She doesn’t screw niggers to increase personal wealth. She does it because 1) it’s encouraged by social manipulators from whom she is immediately awarded “social” recognition which appeals to her exhibitionist tendencies and need to acquire cheap, unearned status, and 2) neutered White males allow it. Posted by Alex on December 19, 2007, 09:41 PM | # Funny that you’d describe that at this time Maguire. I ran across this only recently in a book published in 1853.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 19, 2007, 10:39 PM | # As James Bowery has said, the way to answer the question posed in the entry’s title is to compare the rates which prostitutes of mixed race and of Negro race are able to command with what Euro-race prostitutes get. Comparing fashion models won’t work because that reflects homo taste in women, not man taste in women. Posted by TmG on December 19, 2007, 11:05 PM | # Race mixing definitely improves the attractiveness of the offspring of blacks that miscegenate with whites....it improves their intelligence too! It’s no mystery why the black race wants to integrate with whites. Why whites willfully integrate and miscegenate with blacks is the real mystery! Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 19, 2007, 11:33 PM | # Braveblondgirl, if you’re pretty you should have no problem landing a good-quality, dependable, faithful European-race man for a husband. If you’re pretty you need only circulate intelligently in society to accomplish it: if you’re careful to ignore everything women’s lib (women’s lib is what I call “feminism”; I have my reasons), your college teachers, and Cosmo have told you you’ll have them tripping over you, stammering, and eating out of your hand. Your father, brothers, and grandmothers are the ones to listen to for all advice and tips on the matter. Listen to them. Not your mother, sisters, girlfriends, or any females on the planet other than your grandmothers (in very rare instances an aunt will serve, but WATCH OUT). And never sacrifice your girlhood ideals unless you want a scumbag for a mate. But they have to be womanly ideals, not the women’s lib variety, otherwise discard them immediately or you’ll end up with a complete asshole. If you’re plain the same holds in most cases: you need only learn to apply make-up to your best advantage and you’ll look almost as beautiful as the pretty girls (you should see what plain janes 99% of these Hollywood movie stars are without make-up), keep your figure nice of course and learn how to dress to flatter it if you don’t already know, and be on your guard against women’s lib influences creeping into your personality, especially your comportment around men. If you want to utterly kill all your chances with the best kind of men, adopt women’s lib for your personal style and attitude: it’s a guaranteed spinstermaker or will leave you, at best, an unwed mom for life. I don’t think you want that. All in all, there’s no reason you should feel compelled to marry a non-white man or give up your dream of having little blond European children. If you’re plain, the European man you want may not just drop automatically into your lap but with a little work you can still make him fall into it. (By the way, the “dumb blonde” jokes aimed at white women were first launched by U.S. Jews out of a combination of 1) ethnoracial jealousy and 2) the lecherous hope that a self-fulfilling prophecy mechanism might disarm the blonde white women they most covet for sex through undermining their self-confidence, making them easier prey. Disregard “blonde jokes” completely: they’re not the invention of men who wish you or your race well. And of course they’re a lie.) Posted by TmG on December 19, 2007, 11:56 PM | # “Infact I would go so far to say that alot of the white guys I know would rather have sex with an average asian chick, then even a very beautiful white chick.” Then they’re sick bastards. Asian chicks, meaning: (Orientals, Chinese, Japs, etc.), are nothing more than slightly higher evolved Negroes compared to the superior White race. Posted by ben tillman on December 20, 2007, 12:56 AM | # Easy on the blonde chick. She’s right about some of what she says, and education rather than ridicule is the appropriate response for the rest. Posted by Guessedworker on December 20, 2007, 01:36 AM | # TmG, You are right about the white guys preferring East Asian females. As the rest, read J Richard’s post carefully - and learn, please, to express yourself without such unwelcome violence if you wish to post here. Posted by braveblondegirl...is back with alot to say :) on December 20, 2007, 07:11 AM | # GT… in my book, screwing (whether by rape or willing ) the slave women to produce biracial children *who were half of the plantation owners as well as half of the slaves* , then him selling or trading or farming out his own kids!!! is much much worse than out right rape due to lust. I mean come on!! Slavery was bad enough, to sell another race, but now they sold thier own kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess money was God back then, just like it is these days. I have always heard that they the slave owners took out their extra lust on the slave women because their white wifes were 1. more conservative 2. scared of sex because you could die in childbirth and there was no form of contraception back then.0 This is what I was taught, doesnt mean its true. And by the way just because someone believes in “racial purity” doesnt mean they think slavery was cool, or that people of other races are inferior or that people of different races should not be friends. I think having friends of different races makes you more well rounded. Doesnt mean I believe in marrying outside your race. I mean I would like to marry a white guy, this does not mean I am a neo-nazi!!!!!!!!!!!! If some of you guys are worried about me scaring off good white men because of feminist theories,(which I dont care either way about) then Ill bet some of you guys scare off a bushel load of lovely white girls when you go shoot off about how the white race is superiour and other races are inferior. MY GOD! You know these days even saying that race mixing is bad will get you in trouble, so why would you even go there. You know I can bet that most normal beautiful white girls would like to have a whiteguy of pure blood. But do you think that we are gonna be cool with a guy who brags to us about his purity. Please. we have eyes we know if you are white or no. Telling a girl that you are of pure white blood will convince her of two things. 1. you are pure white alright. 2. you are so stuck on it you are psycho. some things are better left unsaid, usually because they are obvious! For Fred Scooby, I am attractive on the “white” scale of things. That is one of the reasons i was reading this blog. Just trying to understand what is going on in the dating scene these days. Its been tipped on its head. Now I dont care if I am attractive to other races, and I dont give much thought to whether or not other races are attractive. WHO CARES? But what is bothering me is that so many white guys, dont want white girls :’( why??why why why? I dont want to be wanted by all the races, I dont want to win miss global universe, just miss (insert what ever state I am in) all of my life. and i mean ALL OF MY LIFE, the only women I have been jealous of where the absolute gorgeous white girls. So I grew up wanting to be one, and I have definately mastered makeup/clothes/perfume. I LOVE the way I look. In my home town I can stop traffic! But I moved to a big city. And its not that there are so many other white girls more beautiful than me (there are hardly any! there were more in my small hometown) its that there are so many different racial selections for the men to choose from, and the white boys arent choosing me :’( I mean, some white guys are. But I do have high standards.
One guy that I absolutely thot was so hot was this guy that looked like Guy Peirce, and had the most sky blue eyes was talking to me, and he was half way through med school, OK husband material!!!! He was buying me drinks and we were flirting. Then my friend who is biracial, half black, half white comes up. She also has fake boobies and mine are 100 percent real. She comes up, and of course notices how gorgeous he is and starts blathering to him. Then before I know what is happening she is rubbing on him and he is BUYING DRINKS FOR HER. (I get so choked up just telling this story.)
yuck. I dont blame her. she was jealous I think. and honestly ITS NOT her fault. Its HIS FAULT. that was last year. I have not seen a man since then that made my heart beet as fast :( Every guy that hits on me, ends up being hit on by her eventually. Its like the litmus test. I know that they are “really” into me if they DONT sleep with her. and yes, people have told me to stop going out with such a gorgeous black girl, but I wont stop, because its the mens fault. If they sleep with her now, its better that I know because if I got marreid to them they would just sleep with a black chick later. Im not stupid. She is my litmus test. This guy basically humiliated me. But he humiliated me “racially” does that make any sense? Its not like I was with my one friend who is also a hot blonde, with long hair, blue eyes etc. and he picked her. Then I would have hated HER not him, hahahahahahaha! Since then I have been tanning and I got restylane put in my lips. It gave me a bad complex that I cant admit to anyone, except here on this board. I was so popular back in my hometown. But I want a successful well travelled white guy. Not a guy sitting on a tractor (no offense if you own a tractor) that is why I wont move back home like my mom wants me to. Anyway its not just me. Its really not. I know Im on a tangent, Ill get off in amoment. My one friend, above mentioned other hot blonde with long hair and blue eyes. SHe got “racially” humiliated (its funny cause the people humiliating us racially are in our own race!_) and she got it ALOT worse than I did. I dont think that she will ever get her confidence and sanity back. She was with a guy for a long long time, like a few years and they were not living together but it looked like marriage. He even went to her dads house and asked for her hand. Her dad told him that he could have her hand but first he had to be a little more responsible (was from a rich family and did not like to work) he was nice about it and he took it in stride. he wanted to prove himself worthy. Sounds standard right?
So his parents are multimillionaires and they did it through owning and selling farming estates and some developing and they also own racehorses. So he goes to take these classes to qualify himself to do this and that and get some liscnes to do what his parents do. He wanted to get into the developer part of the business.
Then time goes buy and he is still taking more classes and my friend notices that he is acting wierd. REALLY wierd. WIERD SEXUALLY. I dont want to even get into it. Basically he started prefering to masterbate rather than have her do anything to touch him. I mean anything. Then she looked in his phone and he was texting someone, a female. HER NAME WAS FATIMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OKEY DOKAY! SO she is of course balling her eyes out. SO I have been her best friend for a long time, and we came to this city together, and no one is gonna dothis to her OK!!! But I still did not believe it. I told her it must be a teacher from the classes. Because there was no sexuality in the messages, just very bizarre. So then we decided to follow him to the classes, we took my car because he doesnt know what it looks like (and yes I know stalking is illegal!!;P if you got a problem with what I did then feel free to NOT READ ON....) We went there and waited so many hours for the classes to be done. then we saw him outside with a woman with long BLACK hair and dark skin. We just knew it was the FATIMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! so then we waited, they separated and he got in his car. we also went home. Of course he comes to our place (we are roomates) and tries to act all nicey nice with my friend. She is shaken to the core, but as we did not know anything for sure yet I told her to just keep cool until we got to the bottom of this. I still was hoping that it was just a teacher or something. He has NEVER cheated on her and has always been “at her feet” so we decided to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Besides he said he wanted to marry her and he had the balls to tell her mom and dad! So then when he left we came up with a plan, to find out who she was. So she decided to distract him on one of the days that he had a class. It wasnt hard because it was his birthday soon and he likes to jet ski so she rented jetskis for an early birthday, surprized him and told him ‘baby its too beautiful a day to be indoors! and he fell for it of course” So then I went in undercover, to the classes, they were big enough so nobody noticed me, and I sat right next to “THE FATIMA” she was all decked out in a persian outfit, looking like a slut and I wanted to say “yo, where is ur burka?” but instead I said “ hi I missed a couple of classes, can I copy your notes please?” So I sat there and “educated” myself on this woman, for the sake of my BEST friend. Yes, she was “the Fatima” (did anybody doubt it at this point?) she was from Lebanon. She was a muslim. appearently a not too conservative one. So she warmed up to me, as I told her WOW Lebanon, so exotic and far away, you must miss your family bla bla bla blba blalblalalla.
So then the class broke and we decided to have lunch in the cafeteria. I mean I had to eat some where might as well eat next to the muslim girl I am so stealthily stalking I was getting really angry and anxious though and it was hard to hide, I wanted to call my firend, and give her the update. but I really did not have any solid evidence yet. So I blathered on with Fatima and found out that her family is in the Air conditioning business (I knew she was a rich bitch to be taking this class) and it was funny to me that they were in this particular business..because well, they live in the desert, and its just funny. I guess that is how people in the desert get rich right? start an A/C business. So I finally dropped the bomb and asked her “ So which guy do you think is cutest in this class?” and she said “oh, well the cutest one isnt hear today!!!!!” and I said “really....” and she said, “yea but I will see him tonight! as he has asked me out, I hope he isnt sick today and cancels” and I said “oh, and what is this boys name?” and that is when she said the inevitable. I excused myself to the bathroom then, and called my friend, and the rest is history.... My friend has of course since the break up attempted to cut her wrists, stopped washing her hair for about a month and “dated’” or as I like to say threw herself at a black guy but other than that she is totally mentally sound. Her boyfriend would be husband went on to date Fatima, the muslim girl with no burka and no shame, but his parents still phone my friend in a last ditch desperate act to get them back together. But its never gonna happen. Oh and I asked my friend, why, how, why?? what reason did he ever give?? His reasons in order of appearence:
1. she is the sexiest girl ever to live on earth
well my friend and i used to think we were the sexiest girls around, and hold us up to MOST white women and we ARE!!! But appearently against the arabs we dont stand a chance. My friend isnt exotic but she is graceful and feminine. My friend doesnt bellydance but she used to do ballet which is more than most women can say. My friend cant speak 3 languages but she can read and write perfect english which is better than Fatima but too boring for white men appearently. and no she doesnt have naturally tanned skin. Neither of us do, but you can bet we are tanning the hell out of our bodies now. this guy she was with was white by the way, incase if any one thot other wise
I hope you guys think over my posts and tell me what is going on. Telling me that the white guys are sick bastards and that the oreitnals are underdevelped is fine and makes me feel good for about 2 minutes, then the sadness kicks back in, and I realize
by the way. this forum does make me feel better about my thin nasel passaged nonflattened nose, small chin, and non-moon=face-face. so thanks for that, maybe thats what I came here for anyway. I have thin nostrils YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA now...if only a white guy would think that was attractive :( Posted by braveblondegirl on December 20, 2007, 08:10 AM | # oh and by the way I have noticed that alot of you hear are phd and pedigreed and that you know your biology and genetics and I am sure that I appear too “silly” or too young or too” BLONDEEEEEEEE???” but my questions are real and legitimate, my expeirences and those of my friends are as real as they come, as painful as they come, and as bewildering as they come. I call myself Brave Blonde GIRL because I believe that I stand for ALOT of other not so brave blonde girls who have the same questions as I do but are either not bold enough to post on a forum like this to guys that they percieve as neonazi or have not had the luck to find a forum like this. Oh, and by the way, I am not so bold, I am just very very scared and confused. I am so scared infact that it has made me turn a corner and become bold. I am scared that the man I was intended by God to be with is busy doing a
1. asian chick
and by the way, If you met me in person, you would be floored as to how “not prejudiced” I am. I have friends from all over. I dont hate anybody. Not even arabs. I just want one successful, hot and kindhearted white guy to call my own. Maybe my standards are too high,, and that would be fine, if all the hot sucessful white guys were being taken by other white girls who were hotter than myself. I would only have the mirror to deal with, but I think we all know that THAT IS NOT THE CASE. I just want to know what is going on. The dating scene has been tipped on its head by WHITE MEN WHO HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR ANYTHING EXCEPT WHITE!!!!!!!\ and there are Alot OF white women out there who would like some REAL ANSWERS. and alot of them are reading this forum right now...they just arent posting.. so you can go ahead and call me silly and tell me that as soon as I learn how to do my make up or stop being a feminist (which I aint) I will surely get the white man and blonde babies of my dreams and the rest of you keep blathering about how underdeveloped other races are… (really ???so underdeveloped that white men fall all over themselves by the thousands...geez...I wish I was underdevelped!!!) and those of you not included in the first two groups go hack at it with a scientific method and see if you have a genetic solution for me by the year 2050 cuase by then I will be too old to reproduce, and therefore irrelevant in the great scheme of things! I am not the only white girl trolling this forum, and I am certainly NOT the only one wondering these same things..I am just the one who is BRAVE enough. so go head guys..call me silly.....brush me off! ......I DARE YOU!! just be careful you dont brush off your “would be” future white wife who happens to be following my very interesting posts and waiting for an answer, careful you dont brush her right into the arms of “underdeveloped”............... Posted by braveblondegirl on December 20, 2007, 09:06 AM | # sorry, got a little angry. Just want a real answer. I was angry because this is not the only forum where i have posted my “what is the attraction between white guys and asian/biracial/black/arab girls” question. and the forum I posted on is um, well, not so, um, “white race purity centered” just a plain ol’ dating forum.
the reasons the white (well, assuming they are white, they could be posing) guys said they prefer (overwhelmingly asians and somewhat black biracals, though one guy said that he liked blonde girls especially brave ones
1. the asians are “hotter”
6. the black or biracial girls have bigger more sensual lips
people have also said that white girls are washed out :( waht does this mean? I guess i took it too mean that the color has been washed out. I dont know how else to take it.
nobody yet has told me why arab girls are prefered but I feel like I already know the
You know I have so many of above mentioned traits, its not funny. I am petite, I have great skin, I was not born with out body hair but my mom and me have spent alot of my dads money getting all of our body hair lasered off..hahahahhaha. I dont have a natural tan, but I sure have a fake one. I have a very sexy figure and THAT part of me is natural!!!!! I dont have naturally thick lips but I have plumped them up with restylane!!!! and yet...a hot sucessful white guy would still most likely choose, an asian chick. most white guys would choose me though. But the ones I want, the guys who really have their pick would pick the asian chick. Please dont get me wrong. I am not being bitter. If it was another white girl, I would just consider myself “not hot enough” but its like they are choosing a whole different catagory. but its ok. I think that white men all though out history would have chosen (predominantly) the asian catagory. Its just that civilization did not allow them the option. Now, things have shifted and their true desires are being seen. WHAT? am I crazy, am I the only one who sees this? White guys who have their pick predominately pick “others” there is only one conclusion here :( that racial mixing DOES make a better beauty. PLEASE TELL ME THAT I AM WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! please tell me this, please. tell me why????????????? Posted by sunshine on December 20, 2007, 02:06 PM | # Will you believe or not. today I brought the Indian movie, one of my chinese maid saw the cover of movie and say to me “ the Indian woman is extreamly beautiful as goddess, but why their men are so ugly, awhile the european men are so handsome but their women are so ugly???” I believe the blond actresses like applegates, Diane Grugers, are beautiful and look like a doll? but I can not deny it so difficult for me really to see the beauty blond one on the street. the most are over weight, sack chests, very big nose, freakles and when walked pass they are smell dirty. I can answer why many of caucasian guys like asian girls such as chinese, japanese, Indian or even the middle east like lebaniese. I do not mean to distrub the white nationality websit but I can tell you the fact of this. all asian are genius, especially about the inner beauty.
The japanese girls know how to make up their small eyes, small nose to look more lovier like a dolls, they know how to decorate their dress. they could make themselve look pretty in the way mixturing between intelligent woman and innocent of a child. About the Indian women. now I turned to be Indian movie fan. it more than I can explain with the words how genious they can print the beautiful of the dream out into the flim. try look for movie name “ Bhool bhoolaiyaa, swariyaa, Devdas” the most beauty women of the world, are in those movies. About the Arab women like the lebaniese. in my thinking they are look like sounthern european women but have beautiful ivory-white skin like japanese. and their character is neast and bright. let see on the links of this lebaniese singer below. Posted by sunshine on December 20, 2007, 02:21 PM | # And I believe. if the white girl change their character, their thinking and how they cloth to be like asian girls. the white girls’d look completely beautiful! because the white girls already have gracil face, big rounded eyes and beautiful swoll color hair. Posted by TmG on December 20, 2007, 02:58 PM | # GW said: “TmG, You are right about the white guys preferring East Asian females.” I never said that; that statement was made by braveblondegirl. I was just responding to it.
braveblondgirl said: “Infact I would go so far to say that alot of the white guys I know would rather have sex with an average asian chick, then even a very beautiful white chick.”
I admit my language was crude; but I can assure you, no violence was intended. My sincere apologies for straying outside the bounds of civil discussion. BTW-- the language I used that was demeaning of Orientals, is tame compared to what “sunshine” has to say about blond-haired Euro women. But I still stand by my statement that White guys that prefer Asian women are ‘unhealthy deviants’. They are contributing to their own genocide. Blonds are rapidly disappearing from the planet. http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/214-the-blonde-map-of-europe/ Posted by GT on December 20, 2007, 04:21 PM | # Silly blondegirl writes - in my book, screwing (whether by rape or willing ) the slave women to produce biracial children *who were half of the plantation owners as well as half of the slaves* , then him selling or trading or farming out his own kids!!! Then by your own admission the female slaves were at least as guilty as that handful of degenerate slave-owners, for not only did they willingly participate in the screwing, but carried and birthed the biracial offspring to achieve enhanced status and privileges – as women everywhere have always done. Slavery was bad enough, to sell another race, but now they sold thier own kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess money was God back then, just like it is these days. Putting aside the fact that African slaves were barely considered human, we should never forget the fact that they were purchased on the African coast from Africans. Far worse than enslaving another race is selling/trading members of your own race to foreign devils with big ships, never to be seen again. I have always heard that they the slave owners took out their extra lust on the slave women because their white wifes were 1. more conservative 2. scared of sex because you could die in childbirth and there was no form of contraception back then.0 This is what I was taught, doesnt mean its true. Well of course you “heard” this because it makes White women look like prudish little prissy missies compared to all that sensuously luscious African boot-ay! History is a wonderful antidote to Marxist sociology. Try investigating it next time. Posted by GT on December 20, 2007, 04:39 PM | # Silly blondegirl wrote - I guess money was God back then, just like it is these days. Men labor for money and status. Women spread their legs. Posted by James Bowery on December 20, 2007, 05:49 PM | # *yawn* Wake me up when someone shows evidence that sex slavers place a higher monetary value on mixed race females than northern European (including Russian) females. Right now, the evidence out of the hub of international sex slavery, Israel, is overwhelmingly that northern European female phenotypes are most highly treasured. Posted by James Bowery on December 20, 2007, 05:55 PM | # Oh, and braveblondegirl: The main reason white men are attracted to North East Asian females is that white heterosexual men are at next to the bottom of the socio sexual pecking order here in the West, with only North East Asian men lower. Secondarily there is a reasonable match in IQ. Basically the monetization of white female fertility by the West in the form of “career women” (what I call “corporate concubines) is simply another form of sex slavery previously mentioned which evidences their sexual attractiveness. Just witness how many are “downsized” out of jobs when they hit middle age, without so much as alimony. Posted by bleh on December 20, 2007, 06:32 PM | # Assuming braveblondegirl’s highly improbable tale is true (can we get an IP check on her versus “sunshine”?), I recommend she stop shopping for a husband in bars or clubs. Try meeting someone through work, school, or friends, instead (and if your friends’ social circles consist solely of people they meet in bars, get new friends). The overwhelming majority (95-99%) of white men date, marry, and have children with white women, as indicated by census data and natality statistics. If your experience suggests otherwise, you must be associating with very atypical people. Again: get new friends, or move. The main reason white men are attracted to North East Asian females is that white heterosexual men are at next to the bottom of the socio sexual pecking order here in the West, with only North East Asian men lower. This is nonsense. Posted by sunshine on December 20, 2007, 07:20 PM | # To bleh
It’s stupid. I’m not the Brave blond girl. and I will never do such a stupid thing like that.
About the white men get far east asian girl. I don’t know? because I’m not far east asian. but I’m asian. my fiance is european. he married two times with european women in same country. and both of them cheated to him and now he got the childrens with the second x-wife. and have to take care of those childs because the doctor commited his wife is crazy. it’s not fair for him what he met. anyway I don’t have any attention to say bad to the white culture. otherwise if the asian women are not really good? I don’t think there won’t be a lot of western guys left their house and everything just only to have a life in asia. about me and my fiance. I’m not going to marry him for have a children or destroy his geans. everything happened because I piti him and I want to help him from situation he has that’s all. just like a friend to stay by his side when he has problem. Posted by braveblondegirl on December 21, 2007, 05:52 AM | # excuse me, no offense meant to Sunshine… but how can you possibly think that I am her??? English is clearly, CLEARLY my first (and only) language. Have you read her posts??? No offense, but she is just not a native English speaker!
you can check my IP...just for the fun of it, but is my spelling and grammar really so bad
and we dont have the same points to be made either. Posted by frederik on December 21, 2007, 06:42 PM | # NICE WOMEN SUNSHINE ALMOST LOOK LIKE DUTCH WOMEN (*v^) Posted by TmG on December 21, 2007, 10:54 PM | # James Bowery said: “The main reason white men are attracted to North East Asian females is that white heterosexual men are at next to the bottom of the socio sexual pecking order here in the West, with only North East Asian men lower.” James, you pencil-necked-geek! Haven’t you ever learned how to keep your women under control? LOL! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxH39QlRuhg GW, sorry if this post is too violent. Posted by James Bowery on December 22, 2007, 12:01 AM | # TommyG, how would you like to have a “social worker” show up at your residence? You are asking for it you know… Posted by Tommy G on December 22, 2007, 12:12 AM | # “TommyG, how would you like to have a “social worker” show up at your residence? You are asking for it you know…” That sounds like a threat! You ARE a vituperative, termagant, bitch, ain’t you! Posted by James Bowery on December 22, 2007, 12:41 AM | # No I’m merely pointing out that the position of racialist white men is not one lending itself to going around joking about beating their wives. Perhaps my warning is not relevant since, for all we know, you may not be a racialist white man. You certainly come off as something else quite often and you identity really isn’t very well known. Posted by Tommy G on December 22, 2007, 01:20 AM | # James, I think Hitler was too nice to the Jews. Posted by James Bowery on December 22, 2007, 01:56 AM | # Well you have certainly proven that you aren’t a Jew—unless of course you work for the Mossad, ADL, SPLC or are just one of many Jews who go around spay painting swastikas on synagogues. Why not just come clean and open your identity up the way any ethical man who likes insulting other men should? Posted by Tommy G on December 22, 2007, 03:08 PM | # Let me close out my posts here at MR by saying that when I said: “I think Hitler was too nice to the Jews,” I was being disingenuous; I said that outrageous statement to get a reaction, only. The ironic truth is, the evedence led me to believe it’s mainly the elite white gentiles that are causing our dispossession. I have no practical ideas on how to solve our problem, so I’ll leave it up to you smart guys to figure it out. Good luck, and best wishes to all. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year too! Posted by braveblondegirl on December 23, 2007, 07:17 AM | # Bleh you said “The overwhelming majority (95-99%) of white men date, marry, and have children with white women.. what I dont understand is that, if the above statement is true then why is there so much talk about “race replacement” and the white race dying out or being blended in to other races, and also there is the theory that blonde haired people will also disappear...forever. either there is reason to be concerned or there is not!!!!!!! which is it? i guess there is no way to really be certain about anything, is that what it is? and no body really knows why or if, white guys would rather be with non whites. i guess I will just go hide my head in the sand like every body else. and someone (was it you?) said that white guys are at the bottom of the social pecking order???? How is it possible, when white men (at least in the USA) have most of the money, run most of the corporations, and hold most of the political positions. From how I see it. White men are at the VERY TOP of the social pecking order!!! Let me tell you one thing. They certainly have their pick of the women in the dating scene. Any woman of any race would flip to date a relatively successful, average looking white guy. The white american husband is the one MOST sought after. My girlfriend, the biracial (half w/bl) who screwed me over by constantly trying and sometimes succeeding in sleeping with the very same men who hit on me, has told me that she WONT date a black guy. Ever...she said the one exception was if he was a professional football player or if he was famous. But other than that, SHE ONLY DATES white men. ONLY. and she is quite sucessful, at least at getting them in bed, and some into relatioships. I asked her why? Why would she make a personal rule never to date a black guy. (which is her OWN DAMN RACE for God’s sake!!!) answer : SHE WANTS A WHITE HUSBAND. and she has made up her mind. this is her goal in life. It also seems to be the goal of every single woman I meet. black women want a white husband...agreed??? biracal women want a white husband...am I wrong?? asian women want a white husband....and can usually get ONE!!!
in arabic, and south asian countries, the more “fair"a person is, the more
and last but not least.... white women want a white husband. most of them really do. but whether or not they get one seems to be the question of the hour. Posted by braveblondegirl on December 23, 2007, 07:47 AM | # Sherrie Thompson, for instance, moved to the Bay Area from the Midwest, where Asians were few. But in the night clubs of San Francisco, she discovered that Asian women were numerous, attractive and in high demand. The 27-year-old organizational consultant was unprepared for - and not too proud of - her negative reaction. “I have to admit I felt threatened,” she recalls. “Asians seem kind of like what a man would say “the ideal woman’ is - you know: small, thin, fragile, almost doll-like.” At five-foot-one and 110 pounds, Sherrie is no Amazon herself. But some men prefer Asians “because they seem more chic, exotic,” she says. “I know it’s my own insecurity talking, and that behind their appearance they’re probably smart, interesting women, with ideas, with opinions. But I just felt like most guys were into their appearance - and stereotypes about how they treat men.” Sherrie isn’t alone. At the University of California campuses in Berkeley and Los Angeles, where Asian enrollments have climbed sharply in the last decade, the hottest interracial pairing is white men with Asian women - to the chagrin of some white women. Both white and Asian students at Berkeley told me about white guys signing up for Asian-language courses and joining the Asian Business Association, just to meet Asian women. “We call them eggs - white on the outside, yellow in the middle,” says Serene Ngin, a Berkeley student. (Asian women who date white men are sometimes dismissed as “twinkies,” yellow on the outside, white within.) Their new popularity is a shock to a lot of Asian women. “Until I came to Berkeley, I never felt like white guys were interested in me. I felt like Asian women weren’t that attractive,” says Karen Co, 21, a Berkeley senior of Chinese descent, who is in fact strikingly beautiful. “When I got here and saw all the white guys with Asian girls, I couldn’t believe it. I would just stare at these couples walking through campus, holding hands.” For white women, the surprise is similar and not entirely pleasant. Some talk of an “Asian-women fetish” that is spreading among white men, some of whom are quite open about preferring Asians. Researchers at UC-Berkeley’s Diversity Project found strong resentment of the trend among some white women, who “feel they’ve been displaced by Asians as the fantasy object of desire,” says sociologist David Minkus. Of course, white women are disadvantaged by the defection of white men for Asian women - unless they’re willing to date Asian men in comparable numbers. And generally, they’re not. “It’s Asian men who really get the short end of the stick,” admits Elizabeth Crandall, 20, a member of Berkeley’s Alpha Phi sorority. “Asian women are with white men, but white women don’t date Asians.” That’s not exactly news to Asian men at Berkeley. Doug Nishida, president of the predominantly Asian fraternity Lambda Phi Epsilon, pulled together a group of his friends to talk about the Asian women-white men phenomenon. Our conversation flashed back and forth between sociological theories and personal angst. Of the four, only Doug has a girlfriend right now, a trend they attribute at least partly to the preference of Asian women for white men. “It’s a big deal,” says Doug, who is a 21-year-old integrative biology major from Monterey Park. “Whenever Asian men get together these days they talk about it, make jokes about it.” Dave Nakamura cuts in sharply: “I don’t think it’s funny.” Posted by braveblondegirl on December 23, 2007, 08:07 AM | # read this article...this Asian girl wrote, she is actually SICK of white guys hitting on her.
Asian Female Fetish Syndrome
Everything would be fine and dandy for a few weeks, and then he’ll whisper in my ear, “I’ve always wondered how’d it be to f*** an Asian girl.” Sandra Fay I call it the “Asian Female Fetish Syndrome”. It is the desire for me or any other Asian woman simply because we are Asian. It is more commonly found in White men than other races. Symptoms include:
* The man who proudly gloats, “I’ve dated Asian women before.” (Now if only this were a job interview instead of a date--I’d be impressed.)
I have no doubt that there are many happy white male and Asian female couples out there, including my sister and her boyfriend, who are very much in love. But for the majority of what I have experienced, it is quite a different story. “Do you girls really have the tightest pussy?” My jaw dropped to the floor when a man seriously asked me that question. It’s as if all engagements of proper behavior are thrown out the window. The form of this question varies, but it will always allude to the hypersexual and erotic imagery of me. Sometimes, it’s a statement. “You oriental girls are kinky.” I grind my teeth underneath a fake smile as I walk away. Unfortunately, these are the lines that are often used to hit on me. Sad to say, but these are also the lines that have made the walls slightly higher for guys to date me who are not of Asian decent. Weeding out the men who have A.F.F.S. can be a tricky thing. Everything would be fine and dandy for a few weeks, and then he’ll whisper in my ear, “I’ve always wondered how’d it be to f*** an Asian girl.” I need a stronger weed killer. I never thought of myself as one who actually had racial preferences as I have dated outside the boundaries many times over but looking back at my dating history, I realize that all my serious relationships have been with Asian men. Coincidence? I think not. A.F.F.S is non-existent when I’m dating them. I’m not saying an Asian guy will not have fetishes, but I would be rest assured he would not proclaim his love for Chinese food in the middle of dinner. Frankly, it makes it that much easier not to deal with it. I don’t believe in making things more complicated then it has to be. This also goes for long distance relationships and smokers. It’s not that I would not deal with it—I’m just saying I wouldn’t go out of my way to do so. There’s a difference. However, if I do marry the meatloaf-loving-former-boy-scout-who-can’t-jump, then so be it. Let me reiterate, stereotypes are not cool. Sandra Fay is twenty something living and dating in New York City. To learn more about her visit her MyAsiance page at my.asiancemagazine.com/sandrafay Posted by L on December 23, 2007, 10:45 AM | # Dear Brave Blonde Girl, In two weeks or so I will post a comment here. It will take a little while to put together. I will try to give you a foundation to build upon so you will be able to answer many of your own questions. Posted by sunshine on December 23, 2007, 12:04 PM | # I’m sorry to hear that the asian women in usa destroyed the white people. anyway
So it’s not strange the white men prefer far east asian women. they may like what they couldn’t find in their people. from my own feeling about white women. I find they are beautiful but they are not keen much. they prefer to make themselves look bad. if the white girls worn the dress and hair like Grace kelly or Jean Harrow? they’d look extremly great. but the white girls like to choose skinhead? punk cloths? hippy hair? that’s also what I curious in them. why they seem to like dress up themselve that way?? and I don’t think the male in any continants is much different? the males prefer females whom obey, silent, ordinary classic character more than the PUNK or GOTHIC one.
I ever visited japan one time. one thing attracted me is the japanese girls are interested in beauty much, they never wear the sport sweather like the white women. their country is quite cold and the sweather there for women always well-made in the classic style just like a formal dress to go to ballroom party or work.
I feel japanese women in japan tried to be like western women in old century. the women like to buy a kind of special contract-lens for make the small eyes look bigger, they like to make a swoll blond hair or red hair, there are a shop like “babystar shine bright” sales vintage’s dresses. and really there are not small amouth of young women there worn such a dress and walk on the street. Posted by silver on December 26, 2007, 05:52 AM | # Do these guys actually settle down with/marry these girls, though? I can understand “trying out” girls of different races, like Asians, but to actually marry one? I have never been able to understand how people do this. What kind of home life can they possibly have that could compare to one where both partners and children are the same race? I find it incomprehensible. I am a rather distinct southern European and would not even marry a northern European, let alone an Asian or an Indian. I have considered northern Europeans, but at the end of the day, I don’t think it’s a good idea - -that was before I found this site, too. Before I found this site I was much more circumspect in discussing race, but the points raised here have greatly affected me and I have come to see that it’s important to talk about these things in terms that most people find offensive. As to braveblondegirl’s questions, culture obviously plays an important role. Even if you don’t directly buy into pop culture’s message yourself, sometimes peers can affect you. I’ve mentioned on here that I’ve dated a mulatto girl. I did find her attractive, and I knew she liked me, but it was mostly the urging of my friends that got me to go out with her. Left to myself, I would have simply thought her “pretty good looking, but just not my type”—no, actually, what I was really thinking was “yeah, but she’s black”. So why didn’t I just say that then? The popular culture! You’re simply not supposed to admit you don’t want other races for mates! The answer then is to stand up for yourself: proclaim that you only want a white man and defend your position. For every zombified white guy that reacts with horror, I’m sure you’ll find at least one that feels inspired by your stance. Posted by S.D on December 26, 2007, 07:28 PM | # Silver, you talked like a muslim don’t you? and I believe perhape you were spanish with the influence of Arabque decent? those are denied to get along with other race.
GIve people on here abit.........picture of beautifull blond haired woman to compare with the far east asian girls. ( think you may know why your white guys like them that much)
Fat east asian woman.
Posted by S.D on December 26, 2007, 08:10 PM | # Blond women and Indian women
Indian woman, elegrant, beautifull, modest, princly.
Posted by bleh on December 27, 2007, 01:37 AM | # bbg, “Race replacement” is an issue regardless of relatively low outbreeding/outmarriage rates by whites: 1) Even if there were no outmarriage by whites, current immigration trends mean whites will be reduced to a minority in the US sometime in this century. Do I need to tell you this outcome is undesireable? 2) More mixing will occur as the fraction of the population that is white declines. This is true even if whites on average strongly prefer white mates. The “blondes will disappear in 200 years” story, as propagated by newspapers, was a hoax. Some researchers have made statements along those lines, but they are based on the assumption current trends in immigration and birth rates will continue and there will be random breeding among populations. There is nothing inevitable about such an outcome. Immigration can be ended, or even reversed, given the proper incentives. I did not say “white guys are at the bottom of the social pecking order”; this was Bowery’s claim and I called it nonsense. However, heterosexual white males are under attack on numerous fronts (including by hostile, largely Jewish and/or gay elites in the entertainment media, advertising, and academia). This may be what Bowery was referring to. No, not all women want a white husband. Data I’ve seen suggest most women in the US (except maybe Asian) would prefer a husband of their own race. Obviously exceptions exist, but these don’t disprove the general rule. If guys are hitting on you first (rather than your biracial friend), what does that tell you? It certainly doesn’t suggest to me that they prefer your friend. But guys typically go to clubs looking for sex, not a wife. If your friend throws herself at men, then obviously some are going to take the sure thing rather hang around and play the (possibly poor, in their minds) odds with you. I’m not excusing their behavior, and I personally have never been particularly tempted even by black women who make their sexual availability to me very obvious, but it is what it is. Obsessing about it is not going to help you find a husband.
As for white men / Asian women, I see you didn’t include this section of one of the articles you quoted:
While I think that article is seriously lacking in journalistic merit (as is the screed by the Asian woman), anectdotally anyway white men who date Asian women do so because they are unsuccessful with white women. The other factor is that whites are now a minority in California, and probably an even smaller minority among twenty-somethings. Many whites will find themselves in settings where most of the available women are nonwhite (I think the UC system is something like 40% Asian now), and some will settle for Asian women. If you’re in California, now might be a good time to get out. Posted by yeeyesss on January 06, 2008, 01:13 AM | # I tought sarah mohan is a middle eastern woman
Posted by dontgetit on January 09, 2008, 03:25 AM | # how are some people saying that other races are “underdeveloped” when they have been on the earth for as long as the white race? how is that possible? Maybe you are saying that they “look” underdeveloped” which is quite another thing, than saying that they are. Or maybe there is something I dont understand, but hasnt every race been in existence for the same amount of time as any other? am I not understanding evolution correctly? Posted by Neo(as the one)-Darwinist-Fascist on January 11, 2008, 07:14 PM | # I just quote another REALIST guy as to show also my views.
I cant figure why i or anybody else should love their race. Mostly it is the family, neighbours and schoolmates/co-workers who gets me pissed off so why even bother loving them so much. Taking that as a fact JUST fucking look how much obese and materialistic white people are how much soulless and ignorant are the asians and just how uncivilized and stupid africans are.
I am not mongoloid i am not negroid my features are caucasoid but im superior to many 99% of these losers in the planet IMO. And what makes me how i am is that i am not as easily manipulative as the author of this post were or the blondbravegirl is. Surely everyone wants someone extremely attractive but i would rather have a bit less attractive but intelligent and supportive girl than a whore or an unreliable porn star.
To author of this page you are one hell of a deceiving loser, no different than propaganda:
Posted by c on January 20, 2008, 01:04 AM | # Figure 5 and 7 the “white” women look like RABBITS(ugly tooth such as Naomi Watts)are you kidding me?it’s attractive to you?Well good for you.... Also Bar Rafeali who is jewish has small features whereas Uma Thurman(German/Swedish) has manly features as well as Giselle Bundchen(German heritage) or the late Princess Diana(British) your “study” is BS. Posted by Darren on February 13, 2008, 06:13 PM | # The author of this article has got to be a complete idiot to post such an outrageous crap. I would fuck that half-Indian much before any of the White women he shows us: Indian girls can be pretty and as attractive as White women (though not all of them). You’d be mad to pass up a chance to fuck something like Saira Mohan. Posted by LauraC on March 23, 2008, 08:46 AM | # Okay, seriously people, this website was clearly designed to broadcast racist propaganda, so there is no winning here! Clearly, the author and his supporters have internalized whiteness, and are trying to convince anyone who opposes their racist view points to do the same. Just because you claim your not racist, and don’t use any racist language (actually some of you do), doesn’t mean the ideas your conveying aren’t of white supremacy! This website is plain stupid (I would laugh if any of articles/research on here ever gets an REAL academic recognition!), and the best thing to do is to boycott it! And the academic sources your citing…seriously, anyone can publish a journal! Are any of these studies recognized or have any valid academic merit besides between you white racists? And to the blonde poster above me: Just because your having a difficult time meeting attractive white guys, it does NOT mean that all non-white chicks are after them! In fact, most people marry within their own ethnicities. And just b/c being fair is considered a ‘desired’ trait in some countries (thanks to stupid European colonialists in the 20th century), does not mean they all want white husband. It means that women who find ‘whitness’ desirable (which is NOT a majority of the population) want their ideal partner to be of the same ethnic background but with lighter skin! Seriously, how many biracial couples do you know? If you look at the overall statistics...its actually not very common at all! And white people who marry outside their race, its their choice! Who the fuck does the author and his supporters think they are to control this? Are you mistaking yourself for God, or are you so dillusional you think people are going to read this crap and suddenly have a totally new outlook on life?? Don’t waste your time on this BS, a lot of you seem to highly educated, do the humankind a favour and use your intelligence on more viable causes like ending poverty, hunger, HIV and other soon be to pandemic diseases, or anything else at all! This white supremacy stuff does not hold water in the academic world or even everyday life! Posted by me on April 03, 2008, 10:32 PM | # oooh goody! another immature argument on the “my women are hotter than yours” theme...let me join the fray!
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/04/24/rihanna_narrowweb__300x357,0.jpg
WEEE lil mama is hotter than avril lavigne in this one picture so that must mean all black people are better looking! Indian women win Beauty contests so they must be hotter! But wait! What is this? Lil mama’s NOSE is MASCULINIZED!!! YOU CANT SEE HER NOSTRILS AND HER BRIDGE DOESN’T JUT OUT!! OH NO!! we CAN’T let our CHILDRENS NOSES be THICKENED!!! How will the next generation EVER get nice blond pussies! WE <3 BLONDES!
Posted by me on April 03, 2008, 10:42 PM | # Wow what a thik nose! she is so far from white what good can her genes do! what a gorrilla! ...and for gods sake wtf is hindooooo? Learn to spell at least, no one has spelled it Hindoo since the british left India. ...thats just one example. all other black women are ugly. And its all photoshopped anyway. ...how come no one cares about MEN’s hotness! ...ewww you can see that whities nostrils! ...Dem honey brown redbones is the best! ...Shut up nigger!
...Cracker!
BLAM BLAM BLAM!! ...Oh I killed you. But don’t feel bad, it is natural selection. I must be genetically superior to you. Posted by me on April 03, 2008, 10:52 PM | # ...What an immiture post me
...oh we can’t help it all the other papers are contaminated by liberal elitist views!
...hey “me” your just some Nigger posing as Indian
Posted by Sonny on May 11, 2008, 12:29 AM | # lol you guys are losers. The German/Irish/Indian girl is a lot better looking than ALL of the white women in the pix you provided. Whites just feel inferior whenever they see a non-white person that is better looking than they are or in a better situation be it economic, career whatever. Now regarding the whole race mixing thing, every single person of a mixed racial background that I have met has been a pretty good looking person and to me a good looking chick is a good looking chick be it she is black, brown, white, Asian etc.... Grow up! Posted by Yuezhus on May 14, 2008, 12:30 AM | # An Imperial Roman painting based on a Greek painting, with Classical Greek women as the subject:
If his eyes were dark instead of hazel/blue, he would resemble an ancient Greek aristocrat perfectly. Both examples shown here correspond with the tradition of Greek subjects in black-ware Greek pottery invariably being brunettes. The ancient Greeks were not stereotypical Northern Europeans. Not even the upper class. They were dark haired and dark eyed. Blue eyes were looked up with suspicion, as were Northern European traits in general, as evidenced by the harsh disparagement of northern ‘barbarians’ and their features. There is no point in bringing up examples of Macedonian statuary and other pieces of art. Ancient Macedon was not Greek, despite adopting heavily from Hellenic civilization. It was related not too distantly with Thrace. I don’t for a minute consider modern Greeks to be identical to the ancients, but they were definitely not Nordic, like people from Iceland or Sweden are. Much of the achievement from ancient Athens could well be down to a localized practice of eugenics, because the intellectual output per head from that renowned city was insane. It was also larger by far than any other Greek city or town. Your ridiculous pseudo-hyper-field-independent bullshitery you pull with your Nordicism and fundamentalist praise of Arthur Kemp and stupid Viking profile image, Kemp Defender Richards, is an embarrassment. Sort it out, lad. The Holocaust section of the Wiki is ridiculous and harmful. I’ll rebut it someday. Posted by Yuezshus on May 14, 2008, 12:42 AM | # That is to say, holocaust revisionism shouldn’t be outlawed, nor should its deniers be shunned. Instead, they should be debated out in the open, as is the way with genuinely free societies. This is the point of contention that should be focused on: the sheer unfairness of having one side shunned by default. Not unhistorical, unsourced half-arsed crud spewed and recycled from the internet. One especially funny titbit was the idea that the bombing of Dresden happened before the Blitz. Before the cocking Blitz. To paraphrase you: ‘What is this? Damn!’. Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 14, 2008, 12:53 AM | # What is your ethnicity, Yuezshus, and what kind of word (or name) is Yuezshus? (It strikes me as a very odd word, by the way. What language is it? Does it mean anything in that language?) I take you to be of Russian ethnic background or predominantly Russian, or someone who identifies as Russian? Pos | |