EUROPEAN DEMOCRACY

Posted by calvin on August 29, 2007, 10:43 AM | #

“The Bolsheviks raised the literacy level to unprecedented levels, introduced free health care and schooling and did everything to rid the country of the alien Asian-style caste system”

The Bolsheviks did everything that was necessary to mold the Russian population into homo-industrialis in order to turn Russia into a gigantic factory. Russia under communism was a bit like Auschwitz under Nazism; a huge murderous labour plantation powered by slaves. Tsarist Russia was traditionalist, agrarian and slightly bucolic; go figure out which Russia was preferable to the American bankers.

Posted by Steve Edwards on August 29, 2007, 11:20 AM | #

Why is this insane propaganda being spammed onto the pages of Majority Rights? Who is behind it? Is it you, Guessedworker?

This is actually a massive step BACKWARDS from the bad old days of JJR, and actually makes me reflect on his infamous one-man blog-wrecking reign with something like nostalgia.

Posted by 2R on August 29, 2007, 11:29 AM | #

If this is what you think will work to motivate the masses, that fine. I just hope these new Bolshevik’s don’t kill 30 million people while they’re “glorifying White man.” Maybe we should make “anti-semitism” punishable by death too?

Let me guess, the 1960’s “civil rights” revolution was a white liberation movement too?  Hail the Jewish “freedom riders” as they swept through the South rabble rousing the crud’s of society.

You’ll here no arguments from me regarding the whole Nazi thing.  It was anti-Slav, and for this, anti-European.

AS far as Nietzsche is concerned, some of his work is rather good , some of it confusing. When he said the above regarding the Juden, did he ever ask anyone why the Jews paid such a heavy price during the reconquista?  It wasn’t because they were “defending Europe from Asia,” is was the exact opposite.

I don’t think we’re going to find an exact model from history for what we’ll become.  As long as we all understand the final goal, I don’t care how we get there.  We could look like Ghandi’s movement to freedom and I wouldn’t care.  The point is, this is the time when history is made, and it should be of great motivation to all men of the Occident knowing that if they can help lead the European people to freedom, that will be part of something much bigger then themselves.  They may even be read about in someone else’s history as one of the worlds greatest men?

Sometimes myth is even more useful than history.

Posted by Guessedworker on August 29, 2007, 12:49 PM | #

Steve,

Please remember that MR is a forum for discussion of, to quote the header, “issues affecting Western societies”.  It is not the spear-point of a single opinion, since no such singularity has evolved.

It must evolve, of course, or we will never escape the four horsemen - who, in my opinion and in no particular order, are the global power elite, the liberal zeitgeist, our advancing dispossession and deracination, and Jewish ethnic aggression.

Among those who believe in and, by their estimation, work for the survival of European Man are a good number who are singularly anti-semitic.  For them, there’s only one horseman.  Likewise, there are those who recoil from such advocacy, and hope against all the evidence that Jewry might yet recognise a mutuality of interest with us.  Both positions demonstrate the impact of Jewry on what should be the perfect unexceptionality of pro-European ethnic sentiments.  One cannot avoid it.  The only way forward is to accommodate - but not resolve - the conflict.

Accommodation begins with free speech.  It demands tolerance, patience and trust in the efficacy of our shared interests.  So let those of us with something to say speak freely, and likewise those of us with some objection.  We have nothing to fear from Constantin’s freedom of speech, and something to gain from the mental processes it engenders.

Posted by Steve Edwards on August 29, 2007, 01:15 PM | #

But Constantine doesn’t oppose ANY of your horsemen, GW. He’s a frickin’ Bolshevik for Christ’s sake who, according to Friedrich Braun and other witnesses, is an apologist for the post-war rape (literally so) of Germany. He previously counted “Jerusalem” (or was it Tel Aviv?) as a point in the holy “Occidental Triangle” (???) and claimed that Israel, Russia and Germany were anti-imperial entities. You have unleashed a madman, GW, and if this nonsense isn’t in some way curbed, things will soon become worse than they ever were under JJR’s year-long rampage. Free speech is fine - let “silver” and “birch barlow” support race-replacement to their heart’s desire in the COMMENTS, and yes Constantine should too be allowed to promote the most incoherant ideology since the Enlightenment began in the COMMENTS - but to paraphrase certain “conservatives” in the US, free speech is not a suicide pact.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 29, 2007, 01:31 PM | #

On the subject of National Bolshevism (for any newbies reading this, that’s the political philosophy espoused by Constantin), last night Friedrich posted the first installment of an anticipated multi-part overview of it.  (Speaking of anticipated articles, Scimitar expects shortly to post a full-length review of Prof. Sunic’s book.)

Posted by calvin on August 29, 2007, 02:26 PM | #

I don’t agree with Constantin’s analysis of Communism, but I still think that he’s an interesting guy and a colourful character. On the subject of democracy, Aaron Russo (libertarian Jew) made the point in an interview with Alex Jones (Prison Planet), that America was created to precisely NOT be a democracy. The belief of the founders was that 51% of the population dictating to 49% of the population was just another form of tyranny (two wolves and a sheep deciding on what to have for dinner) and that is why America was founded as a constitutional republic. It occurs to me that in the UK our personable liberties owe far more to the English common law than they do to democracy, of course, politicians will always promote the idea that politics is the only means of salvation because that’s how they make their living.

Posted by Byron the Bulb on August 29, 2007, 03:01 PM | #

Steve Edwards is right.  Constantine does make one nostalgic for the days of JJR, something I thought impossible.

Posted by 2R on August 29, 2007, 03:22 PM | #

“It must evolve, of course, or we will never escape the four horsemen - who, in my opinion and in no particular order, are the global power elite, the liberal zeitgeist, our advancing dispossession and deracination, and Jewish ethnic aggression.”

I agree with this statement.  Even if we are to conclude that the Jews are the reason for the situation we face, we must at least admit that there’s some inherent weakness that allowed the Jews to take advantage of us to begin with.  As Macdonald pointed out, in the Middle East, the Jews were never able to gain the amount of power as they did in the West.  This means ultimately that we are to blame for our issues.  In order for there to be a successful “lobby,” there requires a “lobbied” to give in.  The Muslims would never sell their people out to the degree that Western leaders have. 

In other words, if I live in a house with my family.  And I make a deal with a burglar in which I leave the back door unlocked so he can steel our stuff, who is my family going to be more mad at, the burglar or me?  Of coarse, they’re going to blame me because my family is supposed to be able to trust me.  Burglars steal for a living, but family is supposed to be loyal.

When it comes time for the political activism portion of our movement, I’m a believer that Jews should be treated as anyone else who wishes to replace us.  What difference does it make if its Alan Dershowitz or Sean Hannity calling you a Nazi and telling your children to race mix?  This does not mean that we should ignore the JQ, it just mean for purposes of politically practicality that we shouldn’t go out in the street and yell “JEWS, IT’S THE JEWS!!!!”

Jews are facing many of the same issues that we face.  For this reason, I can see a time when the Jews may change their tune regarding WN.  However, they can’t have their cake and eat it too, so they’ll have to make a decision at some point.

Posted by Bo Sears on August 29, 2007, 08:56 PM | #

The most amusing thing about Constantin von Hoffmeister is that he represents the far end of one of the axes haunting this web site. One axis, for example, is to be found situated among the wistful plaints for the conservative part of the Conservative/Liberal political order.

But the most interesting axis is the one that runs from the pure world of ideas and ideological musings that are completely detached from any sense of worldly applications [like libertarian doctrines], on the one hand, to those posters who are imbued with a sense that we somehow need to attach intellectual preoccupations to the field of action in the real world with real people, on the other hand. 

Constantin von Hoffmeister represents the far end of that axis in that nothing whatsoever he says has anything to do with anything on the ground, and so he may be enjoyed as an amusing swimmer through the froth of the waves of memes crashing on the shores around us.

He can’t hurt us because he has no linkage to any tools, tactics, or techniques that would bridge the gap between ideas and worldly activity. Consider him the mutant hero of the web site, like Superman.

Posted by Scimitar on August 29, 2007, 09:53 PM | #

The Bolshevik Revolution should be praised.

Constantin,

I’m not going to pile on here, but honestly, what are you thinking? The Soviet Union was the world center of anti-racism for 70 years. The triumph of anti-racism throughout the West is largely attributable to communist influence, Jewish and Gentile. Here in the United States, it was the mischief that the Soviets were making about “racism” in America in the Third World that caused the U.S. federal government under Truman, Eisenhower, and Kennedy to start supporting desegregation.

Posted by JB on August 29, 2007, 11:30 PM | #

The Bolshevik Revolution should be praised.

HAIL the Jews who supported this glorious turn of events!

oh my, this entry should be deleted ASAP.

GW, is the Puffmeister going to be a regular and post his insane ramblings every week ? It would almost - almost - make me miss the days of John Jay Ray. JJR argued in bad faith but at least he was somewhat coherent and grounded in reality.

This decision of yours is a red flag for me. This is not how you’ll attract more readers.

GW

It is not the spear-point of a single opinion

of course but can’t you show better judgement at selecting the voices that you choose to publish? Come on. I’ve read saner and more mature commentaries in the pages of Trotskyists university rags.

And besides this blog shouldn’t have too many entries. Sometimes less is more. 

Scimitar:

but honestly, what are you thinking?

don’t feed the nationalfuturistobolshevistroll

Posted by Guessedworker on August 30, 2007, 12:14 AM | #

JB,

Let Constantin function.  Soren’s interview with him was very sound.  But here’s a guy who is (like Kai Murros, who also gave Soren a common-sense interview) pro-Marxist yet also a member of the NPD.  He is, by stock WN standards, a complex and contradictory figure.  But the European right is quite unlike American white racial activism, and encompasses a vastly greater range of political cultures, histories and aspirations.  I am keen to bring some flavour of it to the blog.

Of course, Constantin is a controversial figure.  I think he likes the theatre of the controversial.  He is a poet, after all.  Make him answer wherever you think he errs.  For example, Jerusalem as a corner of a new imperium is mighty nonsensical while there is a diaspora pushing against our interests.  He can’t just ignore the diaspora.  So what does he propose for it?

And yes, while Bolshevism was a child of the European Enlightenment (Marx himself said, “We are all Hobbes’ children") it was also unrepresentatively Jewish.  Why, if not for the reasons of ethnic advantage?

And what does Constantin think of the creation of Frankfurt Marxism, which has become the template for advanced liberalism, and done such grave damage throughout the West?

Let’s hope we have some answers from the man tomorrow.  Then we can form a better judgement.

Posted by oops on August 30, 2007, 12:48 AM | #

Ziv Edwards and CvH and Soren Renner’s time-wasting!

There’s only so much swimming through shit people are prepared to do for the occassional very good stuff, GW.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 30, 2007, 02:19 AM | #

I know “Oops” is not “GnXp Stinks” and a few others who’ve posted here, he’s not them, not at all, I know he’s not, but if he were — and please note that this is a hypothetical:  I said if he were, not he is (I’m absolutely one-hundred-percent certain he’s not, so it’s only a wild hypothetical — I might just as well be positing “Oops” is Abraham Lincoln, Julius Caesar, or Jesse James) — I’d say to him that broadening the appeal of the site in general strengthens the voices of all its participants if only by making their own views known to the wider audience that will by definition result.  Hunkering down in an ideologically-pure monoview fortress, sort of defying others to approach as you give them tight-lipped stern warning of stringent conditions on their participation when they do try to come near is going to advance the dissemination of your own ideas less than taking part in a more relaxed polyview effort that will draw way more onlookers and partakers. 

Think what a major site GnXp would be by now if GC hadn’t banned everyone like us.  The thing would be HUGE. 

And there’s what GW alludes to (which came up also when JJR was here) to the effect that debate rather than suppression as the way to deal with difference is didactic and has the potential more quickly to turn the merely curious into the firmly convinced. 

Look, I was so shocked at certain things in this present log entry by CvH I knew immediately on first reading it wasn’t something I could respond to:  you can respond to difference but not very well to enormity — when faced with enormity you have to write a book — and this piece is full of enormity.  I knew on first reading (first skimming, actually:  skimming was enough) that I’d just sit back and enjoy the fireworks on this one without participating because although one has strength to respond, one’s strength isn’t infinite and infinite strength would be needed here.

That CvH is confused is glaringly, just blindingly evident — either that or somehow he sees no need for consistency, for one thing, or even for repect for basic historical fact and other basic elements necessary in order to turn out good writing of this genre.  But there’s also lots in him that’s outstandingly good.  I say welcome him and, for those with the strength, respond to him.

Permitting a variety of expression puts us more in touch with our brethren in the anti-race-replacement world and puts them more in touch with us.  The Cause needs to grow and solidify.  Don’t turn down legitimate variety in the name of more narrow ideological purity:  when this thing is finally won it will not have been by a single ideologically-pure faction fighting all all alone but by all factions acting together in alliance. 

Let’s win the war first.  We can sort out the differences between us after.  (And yes I know what’s coming now, “You, Scroob, are exactly one of the double-digit regulars who are dragging this site down the tubes with your ‘brilliant’ comments that are outshone by Koko the talking gorilla’s sign-language and 75 IQ.” I know that’s coming so go ahead, get it off your chest.

“Soren Renner’s time-wasting” (—Oops)

I’ll just mention that Soren’s Majority Radio interviews caused this site’s Alexa.com traffic to shoot way up between January when they started and late Spring when they stopped, according to my interpretation of the Alexa charts.

Posted by Steve Edwards on August 30, 2007, 02:37 AM | #

“And yes, while Bolshevism was a child of the European Enlightenment (Marx himself said, “We are all Hobbes’ children") it was also unrepresentatively Jewish.  Why, if not for the reasons of ethnic advantage?”

Shouldn’t we have thought of that before we published a declared Bolshevik on these pages?

“And what does Constantin think of the creation of Frankfurt Marxism, which has become the template for advanced liberalism, and done such grave damage throughout the West?

Let’s hope we have some answers from the man tomorrow.  Then we can form a better judgement.”

I await that moment with trepidation. Do you really expect a sensible answer out of this?

Constantine’s apologists have already conceded that he is confused, illogical and unhinged. But they want to promote his stuff anyway. Is that really how far we’ve fallen?

Posted by Friedrich Braun on August 30, 2007, 02:40 AM | #

“He is, by stock WN standards, a complex and contradictory figure. “

Hoffmeister is not a “complex” figure. He’s a buffoon and a provocateur...in essence a joker. He’s a narcissist who above everything else craves attention. He’s not a serious thinker, he doesn’t have a following (beyond Soren), and he doesn’t represent a current of thought anywhere in Europe...or on Mars. He’s basically a drug-addled, bohemian weirdo...a gypsy who has spent most of his adult life leading an aimless existence in exile...mooching from his parents....in the U.S., Russia...perhaps he’ll eventually move to an Israeli kibbutz or join the I.D.F. But I doubt it...that would mean taking his crazed ramblings seriously.

Btw, the second part of my article on Strasser is up:

Strasser and National Bolshevism [2]

http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/08/29/strasser-and-national-bolshevism-2/

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 30, 2007, 03:50 AM | #

On the subject of European democracy, I was just reading how the Belgian high court today disappointingly upheld Mayor Thielemans’ ban on that planned demonstration in protest against the current deliberate Islamization of the European continent (in what follows, watch the words highlit in red):

Mayor Thielemans banned the demo precisely because the organizers picked 11 September as the date for their protest. The mayor wrote:  “The intention is obviously to confound the terrorist activities of Muslim extremists on the one hand and Islam as a religion and all Muslims on the other hand. […] Such incitement to discrimination and hatred, which we usually call racism and xenophobia, is forbidden by a considerable number of international treaties and is punished by our penal laws and by the European legislation. The European Court of Human Rights has repeatedly pronounced judgments condemning this type of act.” He told The Wall Street Journal: “I won’t have Brussels regarded as the capital of racism.” [All links in this excerpt have been added to the original]

Then there was this (hat tip to The Civic Platform):

MADRID, Spain: Spanish police on Thursday arrested a right-wing writer and publisher wanted in his home country of Austria for repeatedly denying the existence of the Jewish Holocaust and the use of gas chambers, officials said.

Gerd Honsik was arrested in the southern city of Malaga, a police spokeswoman said. No more details on his arrest were immediately available.

Honsik had fled to Spain after being convicted in 1992 in Austria of neo-Nazi activities and sentenced to 1 1/2 years in prison for writings that defended Adolf Hitler’s Third Reich.

Between 1986 and 1989 Honsik published writings in a book disputing among other things that the Nazis systematically killed hundreds of thousands of Jews at Auschwitz and other extermination camps during World War II.

The Austrian judge who convicted him ruled that Honsik’s writings were a misleading propaganda-like presentation of Nazi activities and that they lacked objectivity.

The Vienna public prosecutor’s office said Thursday it had issued a European warrant seeking Honsik’s arrest, based on suspicions that he had committed other offenses since Austria enacted a landmark 1992 law making it a crime to deny the Holocaust or promote Nazi propaganda.

It was unclear whether or when authorities might lodge a formal request to have Honsik extradited to Austria.

Justice Minister Maria Berger (Socialist Party of Austria) said in a statement she was pleased with the arrest, calling it part of “the fight against racism and xenophobia." She said, “By means of the European arrest warrant we are able to ensure the effective prosecution of repeat criminals of the far right despite the still-extant differences in the national laws.”

And finally, there was this:

If you go through all the structures and features of this emerging European monster you will notice that it more and more resembles the Soviet Union. Of course, it is a milder version of the Soviet Union. Please, do not misunderstand me. I am not saying that it has a Gulag. [Scroob note: Yes it does: Irving, Rudolf, Zündel, and others are in it, exactly as Bukovsky and Solzhenitsyn were in the Soviet Russian one.] It has no KGB – not yet – but I am very carefully watching such structures as Europol for example. That really worries me a lot because this organisation will probably have powers bigger than those of the KGB. They will have diplomatic immunity. Can you imagine a KGB with diplomatic immunity?  They will [...] police us on 32 kinds of crimes – two of which are particularly worrying: one is called racism, another is called xenophobia. No criminal court on earth defines anything like this as a crime [this is not entirely true, as Belgium already does – Paul Belien note]. So it is a new crime, and we have already been warned: someone from the British government told us that those who object to uncontrolled immigration from the Third World will be regarded as racist and those who oppose further European integration will be regarded as xenophobes. I think Patricia Hewitt said this publicly. Hence, we have now been warned.

(The reader is invited to draw his own conclusions at to Mr. Bukovsky’s ... prescience, in regard to ... “the future of European democracy,” shall we call it? ... Yes ... in regard to the future of European democracy ...)

Posted by oops on August 30, 2007, 04:19 AM | #

I went away and wondered if I was too quick to dismiss MR v.4.0 because of von Hoffmeister, the return of Ziv Edwards,, and Renner’s deliberate, habitual abuse of goodwill. There IS much good here, after all - principally in the comments or the blogs from Bowery and GW.

But then I remembered the support from a central MR pillar for Judicial Inc the photoshoppers of Jewish conks and purveyor of conspicuously unconvincing theories on the JQ (and I’m at the wintermute end of the scale there). Recalling this tipped the balance for me! At worst a joke being played here, at best someone has fallen asleep at the wheel. Certainly, the slide is too extreme to ignore.

I work hard for a living, I have a family, and I already choose to spend quite a lot of time educating myself on MR’s avowed issues. At the moment other sites reward that time better. I’m not alone in thinking the trend at MR is not good:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=majorityrights.com

I’m only saying what I know many others are thinking GW.

Edwards, Renner, and Hoffmeister ffs! Let the mainstream be ‘challenged’ by those comic voices.

Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on August 30, 2007, 06:42 AM | #

Considering that Bolshevism was an urban movement, and Jews represented 30% of the urban population in Russia, one could argue that Jews were actually underrepresented in the Bolshevik regime. I do not buy the propganda that Bolshevism was “genocidal.” This claiem has been sufficiently debunked by scholars that do not subscribe to Cold War propaganda. I also do not believe that decadent cultural “Marxism” in the West is the equivalent of what the Soviets practiced in the East. As a matter of fact, it is the exact opposite! I explained this many times in many of my writings. Hence, I see no contradiction in being a member of the NPD and supporting Bolshevism. After all, the NPD published many favorable articles on Ernst Niekisch who was a National Bolshevik, jailed in the Third Reich and a high-ranking party functionary in the German Democratic Republic. About Frankfurt Marxism: I never praised it, even though it has some value, and the members of the Warsaw Pact certainly never practiced it. Essentially, Frankfurt Marxism was a Western and liberal perversion of Marxism. Besides, I am not a Marxist.

Constantin

Posted by a Finn on August 30, 2007, 08:03 AM | #

Constantin reminds me of Finnish pro-Soviet communists, who had a fantasy mental image of Soviet Union, but Constantin is crazier and further removed from reality. When said pro-Soviets visited Soviet Union, they were shown the best sides there. It was awful and horrible. The most of them changed their views considerably, but many of them tried to preserve leftism in some other form. Some of them tried to painfully pretend they didn’t saw what they saw. Some accepted what they saw, but they blamed Western capitalists for all the negative sides.

Anyway, European Americans, what I have seen about the new European Americans United seems to be good. Besides good theories and news service, there seems to be dynamic approach to activism, thus turning theories into practice. It might be advantageous to join it.

Here is the newest article from John Young. Although Europe has never been such that it can be described like single entity (And it is equally hard to discern European details from America than the other way around), I generally agree with Young:

http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=1638

Posted by Alex Zeka on August 30, 2007, 10:35 AM | #

re: Hoff’s answers to our many questions for him. Here’s a sample of what we got the last time he did that:

“"Do you think killing Europeans is a good way to liberate them?”

No, I do not. But the Nazis here sure do.

“When I hear or read the word “universal,” I want to get my pistol.”

Wow! You are real modern-day Goering, are you not?

“You call Marxism an ideology with “universal appeal”. Could you say to whom this appeal is directed?”

Not to chauvinist nationalists, obviously.

“seeing that National Futurism is seemingly more of a spiritual than political movement (toward the stars!), how do we get this spiritual impulse to space chasing and terra forming into the actual political debate?”

National Futurism is anti-spiritual. It advocates Racial Bolshevism, pure materialism. Only on the material plane can anything be achieved. Space colonization and terra-forming are not “crazy” subjects but valid considerations that have to be earnestly addressed if one cares at all about the future dominance of the White race. For example, one could point out the real danger of a meteorite hitting Earth, wiping out most life forms on it in the process. To avoid the scenario of extinction (through a “natural genocide"), it is essential that alternative worlds be found where our race can settle.

“Will Germany and Russia go it alone?”

This will be necessary in the first stage. Other European countries will follow once the path has been cleared. German discipline and technology, coupled with Russia’s natural resources, will be the pillars of the future Euro-Russian empire.

“Will they despair of the Anglo Saxons and the Latins?”

The Anglo-Saxons and the Latins will be forced to comply with the demands of the empire. Otherwise, they will perish, meaning that they will be absorbed into the imperial matrix.

“Will it be a Eurasian Imperium (channel to Vladivostock) - or a planetary Imperium Europa.”

First, it will be a Eurasian empire. This is necessary to build up strength. Slowly but surely, it will morph into a cosmic Imperium Europa. After all, biopolitics is more important than geopolitics. BLOOD before SOIL! Aryan seeds will be carried to far-away planets where they can blossom and grow into biological super-structures that will control and harness alien environments and be themselves enhanced by transhuman advances in technology. “

Remember everyone, NB is an ideology with universal appeal, an appeal obvious to all but ‘chauvinists’ like ourselves, which advocates the advancement of Aryan interests by killing Ukrainians, creating a ‘Eurasian Empire’, and raping the queen with a chainsaw. It appreciates the anti-imperial ambitions of the USSR and Nazi Germany (because killing Ukrainians is the best way to liberate them, see above). It moreover supports the forming of an anti-Zionist alliance with Israel (because the Jews just wanna get killed so as to be liberated, and we want to stop that...presumably). This Bolshevism also supports anarcho-capitalism...oh, and Soviet Communism.

I know this is suppossed to be a free speech site, but can’t GW just get himself a parrot, teach him the words ‘bolshevism’, ‘Jews’, ‘liberation’, ‘national’ and the other bare rudiments of a political vocabulary, and post the results instead?

Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on August 30, 2007, 12:17 PM | #

Who was talking about killing Ukrainians? I certainly was not.

Constantin

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 30, 2007, 01:05 PM | #

The “Ziv Edwards” gibe is just complete nonsense and can be utterly dismissed.  For lots of reasons “Oops” can be forgiven much, but this particular bit pushes the envelope.  It’s close to an outrage.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 30, 2007, 01:10 PM | #

Completely apart from the fact that the target of that gibe hasn’t procreated with anyone (as if that would be anyone’s business if he had), opposition to forced race-replacement is not about individuals but about numbers and the policies that bring those numbers about.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 30, 2007, 01:11 PM | #

One man doesn’t replace a race.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 31, 2007, 01:51 AM | #

Scimitar comments on the log entry over at the Occidental Dissent blog:

I haven’t seen Von [Hoffmeister] (or anyone, for that matter) explain how exactly the USSR was “pro-white.” It was actually the most anti-white regime in the world in that it was the great champion of anti-imperialism and racial equality for most of the twentieth century. There was hardly an uppity negro dictator that didn’t make the Soviet cocktail circuit at some point or another. The U.S. and other NATO countries/Decadent West only later adopted this view because it was giving the Soviets an edge in the Third World during the early years of the Cold War. The existence of the Soviet Union during the 20C had the effect of pulling the entire West to the left on race and other issues.

I don’t seem to recall the Soviet Union ever advertising itself as “pro-white.” Enemy of the bourgeoisie, yes. Friend of the “toilers,” of course. Champion of the Third World against Western imperialism and racism, that too. But “pro-white,” no. The “pro-white” USSR formally recognized “African-Americans” as being a separate nation with the United States, criminalized “fascist genetics,” and supported Lysenko’s pseudoscience for decades. It supported Martin Luther King and the “Civil Rights Movement” in America; Mandela and the ANC in South Africa; the FLN in Algeria; Lumumba and the Simba cannibals in the Congo; the Mau Mau in Kenya; Neto’s MPLA in Angola; Ho in Vietnam.

That’s the tip of the iceberg, really. Castro is “pro-white”? Che Guevera? Was there ever a conflict in which the Soviet Union took the “pro-white” side?

Posted by calvin on August 31, 2007, 08:44 AM | #

“Considering that Bolshevism was an urban movement, and Jews represented 30% of the urban population in Russia, one could argue that Jews were actually underrepresented in the Bolshevik regime”

Yeah, yeah! First you start with a false premis and then you take it from there. Organized popular rebellion aginst authority is NOT an urban phenomenon. Spartacus’s revolt took place in the provinces and there were numerous peasant revolts in medieval Europe. Social agitation in Russia’s urban conurbations was a consequence of the gravitation of social agitators towards centers of power and influence that happen, in this case, to have been urban. That’s the best horse before cart argument I’ve heard for a long time, it’s a bit like saying that a disproportionate ammount of sexual abuse happens in childrens homes because a disproportionate number of abusers work in the child protection industry, duh!

Posted by Alex Zeka on August 31, 2007, 09:27 AM | #

“Who was talking about killing Ukrainians? I certainly was not. “

Touch of amnesia, dear? Can you perchance remember writing this:

The Jews were certainly overrepresented in the Soviet government. But this fact is utterly irrelevant and meaningless. These brave Jews divorced themselves from their reactionary religion and embraced European socialism (Russian Bolshevism), thus automatically becoming honorary Aryans. Hence, the Bolshevik Jews were not bad Jews but good Europeans (in the Nietzschean sense as like all true overmen they overcame their own former selves, morphing into something new, noble and self-sacrificing)… Only traitors to Europe do not appreciate the hard work that they did for the betterment of our race. The accomplishments of the Jewish Bolsheviks will always be remembered by any self-respecting European patriot.

http://nationalfuturism.org/jewishliberation.html

These would be the Jewish Bolsheviks who ran the ultra-repressive cheka, liquidated the kulaks (prosperous Slav farmers), and confiscated food in the Ukraine. Apparently, these activities turned them into liberators and honorary Aryans, which naturally led to the question of whether killing Ukrainians is a good way to liberate them or not. Your reply was to accuse us of being Nazis. We aren’t - few here glorify Hitler - but you certainly do glorify the even more murderous Bolshevik regime.

Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on August 31, 2007, 09:41 AM | #

So, you interpret this passage of my essay as justifying the murder of Ukrainians? How do you do that exactly? I cannot follow your logic.

Constantin

Posted by Daryl on August 31, 2007, 09:55 AM | #

Though socialism is not the only way to secure the borders, a logical and rational argument can be made that it had that effect.  Stalin did not have massive immigration coming into his country.  We can view similar trends in the Orient, Mao did not have an immigration problem.  The Khmer Rouge, for example, cut down liberal education and reversed Vietnamese imperialism.  This is not to say that I am embracing socialism, but I can comprehend Constantin’s viewpoint.

I see Fade has noted that Constantin has posted on my forum and used that as a smear.

Posted by a Finn on August 31, 2007, 01:10 PM | #

Daryl wrote: “Though socialism is not the only way to secure the borders, a logical and rational argument can be made that it had that effect.  Stalin did not have massive immigration coming into his country.  We can view similar trends in the Orient, Mao did not have an immigration problem.  The Khmer Rouge, for example, cut down liberal education and reversed Vietnamese imperialism.  This is not to say that I am embracing socialism, but I can comprehend Constantin’s viewpoint.”

- Soviet leaders implemented what they talked. They first encouraged the many peoples especially near the borders to pursue their ethnic nationalistic interests in socialistic framework, lying to them that they are building their own autonomous and after some time maybe independent ethnic socialist nations. This was meant to exploit peoples’ natural ethnic nationalist tendencies in building Soviet international communism.  After some time Soviet leaders started to increase foreigner inflow to the ethnic areas. When ethnicities were flooded with foreigners, single Soviet standards, language, school systems, media etc. were implemented. Then mass murders and concentration camp sentencies followed. The purpose was from the beginning to create non-racial, non-ethnic, mixed homo sovieticus. Partly autonomous Eastern European countries were given some possibilities to pursue their ethnic interests while the ongoing battle with the Western countries was not complete. When communism would have been victorious in Europe the borders would have been dissolved, and the consequences would have been the same than inside the Soviet Union. What is not mixed in today’s Russia is that despite the utmost efforts of Soviet leaders.

China, Cambodia and North Koreans have been more ethnic nationalistic. China had and still in some form has racial laws, and North-Koreans has them in full force. That doesn’t make those murderous failed systems desirable. Genocide is genocide, whether done by mixing, bullets, hanging, hunger etc.

Posted by Maguire on August 31, 2007, 01:56 PM | #

GW,

“or we will never escape the four horsemen - who, in my opinion and in no particular order, are the global power elite, the liberal zeitgeist, our advancing dispossession and deracination, and Jewish ethnic aggression.”

I agree.  And all, all, are advancing with excellent speed under Vladimir Putin’s Judeo Grand Duchy of Muscovy.

“global power elite”

Take a plane direct from JFK International in New York to Sheremetievo II in Moscow, and keep your eyes wide open on both ends.  The differences in the present reality and trending future direction are too minor to be worth discussing.

“the liberal zeitgeist”

This is a product of assessing and accepting men based on the amount of paper money in their hot little fists.  Zeitgeist advancing with lightspeed in Moscow.

“our advancing dispossession and deracination”

This is accomplished by creeping genetic infiltration.  Repeat, start in Central Asia - Kazakhstan will do fine - then travel north-westwards by train and see if anything strikes your eyes as you progress from station to station.

“Jewish ethnic aggression.”

A casual stroll through and inquiry into the personalities inside the Moscow offices of power will disabuse anyone of “Russian Nationalist” illusions, assuming one knows what a Jew looks like to start with.

“Constantin von Hoffmeister represents the far end of that axis in that nothing whatsoever he says has anything to do with anything on the ground”

This is distilled essence of CvH.  The Russia and Eastern Europe he’s describing could only have been sighted while under the influence of hallucinogens.  Limonov does it better in eXile milieu.  And Solzhenitsyn’s description of Limonov as “a little insect who writes pornography” is not without application here, too.

To CvH,

In my case you aren’t addressing someone who just reads about Russia, or who only knows it from looking once through a tour bus window on the 5 cities in 6 days trip.  So let’s cut to the chase, old boy.

Oil, natural gas and raw materials prices have gone up a lot in the last 10 years.  This has led to a larger concentration of paper money in regional shipping centers for such resources, of which Moscow is one.  This in turn has attracted an international migration of flea market peddlers *to* Moscow to try to grab some of this paper stash for themselves.  You can see them disembarking every flight into Sheremetievo II from NYC, London and Jerusalem.

Some sell laptops, some sell BMWs and H3 Hummers, some bring Sbarro pizza franchises from NYC to Moscow, and some are after dinner author/speaker entertainers.  This latter group includes folks such as yourself and Israel Shamir.  The mystical madman prophet is a well established archetype in Russian literature and now on the TV talk show circuit.

“Considering that Bolshevism was an urban movement, and Jews represented 30% of the urban population in Russia, one could argue that Jews were actually underrepresented in the Bolshevik regime.”

Of course one can ‘argue’ this.  You can argue the Earth is flat, too.  The Flat Earth Society lives!  I think there are two reasons you want to argue this now.  The most important reason is the current regime in Moscow is Judeo, just as I’ve described it in detail recently.  And you want to curry favor with them for petty pecuniary reasons.  The people you are trying to cultivate for shekels are the Russian analog of the Limbaughtomized Judeo-Republican.

The second reason is the police state conditions that now exist across most of the EU.  The average European participant at conferences like Ateney could be jailed back home just for reading 1919 newspaper reports aloud from a rostrum, let alone for suggesting something like non-whites have no business immigrating into France or anywhere else in ‘Europe’.

“I do not buy the propganda that Bolshevism was “genocidal.””

Are you so unfamiliar with “Russia” you need help getting in contact with “Memoriale”?  Let me know and I’ll get you hooked up.

If anyone really wants to know what’s happening in ‘Moscow’, go.  Short of that, I’ll tell you.  They have their heads stuck up their cell phones and iPods.  They’re sitting in gridlocked rush hour traffic.  They’re down at the bank applying for Visa cards to go shopping at the Hyper Market, and for mortgages to buy flats in new gated and walled condo buildings that’ll be falling apart in five years.  Or for new suburban tract houses identical to what’s thrown up here in the USA.  They’re ordering home delivery Sbarro Pizza and they’re busy buying paper ‘investments’ to try to substitute in their old age for not having enough children.  They’re making internet holiday reservations for hotel resorts in Greece, Turkey, Cyprus & Egypt.  They’re getting scheduled for plastic surgery and getting prescriptions filled for Viagra.

And sometimes a very few go to hear entertaining virtual reality speakers of the kind AMREN and Ateney organize.  There is even a strong overlap between the programs, as occurs at AMREN & Ateney meets.  Money however is much tighter than at the casinos, hypermarkets and DVD kiosks.  So it’s necessary for vendors like CvH and David Duke to mutually discredit each other.

Maguire.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 31, 2007, 01:56 PM | #

Finn:

“After some time the Soviet leaders started to increase the foreigner inflow into the ethnic areas. When ethnicities were flooded with foreigners, single Soviet standards, language, school systems, media etc. were implemented. Then mass murders and concentration camp sentences followed. The purpose was from the beginning to create non-racial, non-ethnic, mixed homo sovieticus. Partly autonomous Eastern European countries were given some possibilities to pursue their ethnic interests while the ongoing battle with the Western countries was not complete. Had communism been victorious in Europe the borders would have been dissolved, and the consequences would have been the same as inside the Soviet Union. What is not mixed in today’s Russia is so despite the utmost efforts of Soviet leaders.”

Vladimir Bukovsky:

“I am referrring to structures, to certain ideologies being instilled, to the plans, the direction, the inevitable expansion, the obliteration of nations, which was the purpose of the Soviet Union. Most people do not understand this. They do not know it, but we do because we were raised in the Soviet Union where we had to study the Soviet ideology in school and at university. The ultimate purpose of the Soviet Union was to create a new historic entity, the ‘Soviet’ people, all around the globe. The same is true in the EU today. They are trying to create a new people. They call this people ‘Europeans,’ whatever that means. According to Communist doctrine as well as to many forms of Socialist thinking, the state, the national state, is supposed to wither away. [...]”

Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on August 31, 2007, 02:05 PM | #

“If anyone really wants to know what’s happening in ‘Moscow’, go.  Short of that, I’ll tell you.  They have their heads stuck up their cell phones and iPods.  They’re sitting in gridlocked rush hour traffic.  They’re down at the bank applying for Visa cards to go shopping at the Hyper Market, and for mortgages to buy flats in new gated and walled condo buildings that’ll be falling apart in five years.  Or for new suburban tract houses identical to what’s thrown up here in the USA.  They’re ordering home delivery Sbarro Pizza and they’re busy buying paper ‘investments’ to try to substitute in their old age for not having enough children.  They’re making internet holiday reservations for hotel resorts in Greece, Turkey, Cyprus & Egypt.  They’re getting scheduled for plastic surgery and getting prescriptions filled for Viagra.”

I live in Moscow, and I know what is happening here. Your description only applies to Muscovites with money. These kind of Muscovites are in the minority. Besides that, your description is correct. That is precisely why the Soviet system was superior to the current decadent capitalist one.

Constantin

Posted by a Finn on August 31, 2007, 02:50 PM | #

Fred, thanks for the addition and many others too.

Horror from Sweden. Swedes, you need independence and separation from your state:

http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=3031&cid=3&sid=102

Posted by Guessedworker on August 31, 2007, 07:17 PM | #

There was a story I picked up someplace - TV maybe, but long ago anyway - about a Westerner who, in traveling to some far-flung corner, had encountered a tribe living an entirely traditional life.  Being conscious of his own craven ways, the Westerner was wildly impressed with this.  At some point a tribesman he had befriended was making a fire by the time-honoured fashion.  Our Westerner showed him how he made fire by striking a match.  The tribesman was wildly impressed with this.  “No, no,” said the Westerner, gesticulating as negatively as possible, “no good.  This ...” he said, pointing at the tribesman’s primitive method, “… g-o-o-d.  The tribesman looked at him as though he was crazy, and snatched the matches out of his hand.  “G-o-o-d!” he said.

Constantin,

The leisure instinct is the same as the survival instinct, all of a half-a-minute after survival is secured.  Lions sleep, dolphins leap.  We book a trekking holiday in the Himalayas, with steaming hot showers and a little mood music over the baked turbot au gratin and perfectly chilled Laville Haut Brion.  It isn’t surprising that people choose to gorge on leisure and luxury.  Societies like the Soviet Union that cannot furnish the people with such, but on the contrary pin them down forever in a desperate struggle to find enough decent food to fill their bellies, are failures.

The trick, which very few societies have thus far pulled off, is to succeed yet maintain a certain critical sense.  Among the wealthy, something like this might be observed even now as good taste - which by definition is never excess.

Posted by JB on September 01, 2007, 05:10 PM | #

Hoffmeister:Only traitors to Europe do not appreciate the hard work that they did for the betterment of our race. The accomplishments of the Jewish Bolsheviks will always be remembered by any self-respecting European patriot.

I completely agree with Friedrich Braun. No self-respecting WN website needs the ramblings of the Puffmeister, just taking him seriously even for debate should be a red flag for the sane and the serious out there. It’s a complete waste of time and worse a waste of credibility. Why don’t you have some costumed clown from the Supreme National Socialist Labour Alliance posting here while you’re at it ? At least he won’t praise the bolshevik mass murders.

There’s no difference between some dope smoking Che Guevara t-shirt wearing college student writing for a communist rag, taking Lenin and Trotsky seriously and writing pro-soviet poetry and someone like CvH. What are they good for ?? Who’s going to be attracted by their persona and their opinions ??

And I feel like I’m wasting my time writing this at the moment, I should be doing something else than to tell you what is obvious.

GW maybe you spend too much time working on the blog. There’s no need to post stuff everyday regardless of its relevance. Don’t forget that your current regular readers already know what is going on and if your goal is to attract more readers and unplug more normal white people from the matrix then the last thing you need is completely pointless debates based on CvH’s opinions or those of other nutty philosophers/dreamers who create those ready-to-think ideological kits sold to us as the key to saving the European race. We don’t need ideologies and especially not the puerile Marinetti-esque ones, all we need is our people to become white again, to think white and to act white.

GW:

Soren’s interview with him was very sound.

he didn’t asked him any serious questions. The guy praises the bolshevik revolution and all the misery, the destruction and the deaths it caused. WHY PAY ANY ATTENTION TO HIM TO BEGIN WITH ???

WHY PAY ANY ATTENTION TO HIM TO BEGIN WITH ? You should have asked yourself that question and answered it before deciding to publish this crap.

When I first read CvH on VNN I thought that’s it, Linder will just publish anything whatever the quality because he’s some freespeechist. The incoherence, the rigidity, the pointlessness, the nuttyness. Why did I spent 5 minutes reading that? It wasn’t even worth 30 seconds! I should have dismissed it after 10 seconds.

Is this how you want the newbies to feel when they visit MR for the first time ?

Why did I just read that nonsense ? it wasn’t worth 5 minutes of my time

Nothing written by CvH is worth posting on MR or anywhere for that matter but I see that you have made CvH a regular contributor. I’m disappointed and I’m out of here, I’ll be back in a few months to see if MR hasn’t gone further down. bye

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 01, 2007, 09:20 PM | #

Here‘s a 1984 interview with a Soviet KGB defector named Yuri Bezmenov.  (Hat tip to ”VLC” over at the Occidental Dissent blog).  Listening to it in its entirety should 1) make certain scales fall from CvH’s eyes, scales blinding him to a few aspects of the real nature of Jewish-Russian Bolshevism (CvH, listen well to the latter half, where this man talks about what the KGB thought of its useful idiots in the West:  that’s you, in your blindness to Bolshevism’s real nature); 2) make it easer to see how the NSDAP had absolutely no alternative to “taking the gloves off” and getting tough in dealing with its own useful idiots or coming up with its own vigorous anti-Judæo-Bolshevik psy-ops propaganda tools to counter those which Judæo-Bolshevism had methodically subjected Germany to for nearly two decades by that point (late thirties); 3) make it easier to see that this entire race-replacement régime we’ve been subjected to, which began during WW II, went into a brisk trot after the war with moves by the other side such as having explicit race-denier Ashley Montagu write the official UNESCO policy on (what else?) race (1950), which only the blind suppose was some sort of accident, accelerated to a canter during the ‘60s with all that we know happened then, and has been going at a full gallop since something like the mid-80s when this interview took place — make it easier to see that this entire race-replacement régime is something deliberate and carefully planned which is being methodically imposed, not at all happening by itself.

At the interview’s end Bezmenov offers advice on how the Bolshevik threat of those years (mid-80s) could be countered, advice which was, it turned out, exactly identical to the approach being taken at that very moment by Reagan and Thatcher standing shoulder-to-shoulder, the approach which brought communism in Europe crashing down.  So this guy knew whereof he spoke, one could say ...

In like manner we’ll bring forced race-replacement crashing down, Constantin, but it won’t be by means of National Bolshevism any more than it was by that means the Gipper and Maggie brought down National Bolshevism’s infernal twin.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 02, 2007, 12:24 AM | #

Have a look at a few excerpts from the recent Fjordman piece which Finn linked above (2:50 PM), commenting on advanced Swedish liberalism:

A friend told him about a magazine published by Lärarförbundet, the Swedish Teachers’ Union, the largest union for teachers and heads of schools in the country. The magazine, aimed at preschool teachers who take care of children between the ages of 0-6 years old, included recommendations to not only promote “gender equality” but also “sexual equality” at this tender age. Mr. Lundgren considers the suggestions that are sent out to kindergarten and preschool staff to be clear-cut sexual abuse of children: 

“A three-year-old doesn’t have to learn queer theory, a four-year-old shouldn’t have to be force-fed lectures on gay sex by some sex freak from the Teachers’ Union. Children are supposed to play and discover their roles entirely on their own. Children are defenseless and shouldn’t be exposed to indoctrination, neither regarding sex nor politics.. (…)”

[...]

In a kindergarten in Stockholm, the parents were encouraged by the preschool teachers - apparently ideological pioneers - to equip their sons with dresses and female first names. There are now weeks in some places when boys HAVE TO wear a dress. Lundgren considers this sexual indoctrination as worse than the political: “The political nonsense is seeking to alter opinions - the sex freaks seek to alter the children’s personality, their mentality and their entire constitution.” [...]

Lundgren wrote in reply [to an e-mailed threat to get him in trouble by reporting him to the Teachers’ Union]:

“To give sex education to preschool children, to force them to have an opinion on gay sex and queer (lesbians, transsexuals, bisexuality, fetishism, cross over, sex change etc.) I regard as abuse of children. (…) Little children, we are talking about three to six-year-olds here, cannot in the preschool protect themselves from these sexual assaults.

[...]

“We have no ethical standards in education, and no rules for sexual behaviour,” in the words of Dr Gösta Rodhe, the then [1970s] head of the department of sexual education in the Directorate of Schools, and thus in some ways the executive officer of government sexual policy. “You see, since there’s a lack of tension in Swedish politics, younger people have got to find release and excitement in sexual tension instead.”

This was in the early 1970s. Things have gotten worse in the two generations since then. Socialists and state authorities present this policy as liberation of women and sexual liberation. What it is actually about is breaking down rival sources of power: The traditional Judeo-Christian culture and the nuclear family. This leaves the state more powerful, since it can regulate all aspects of life and, most importantly, can indoctrinate the nation’s children as it sees fit, without undue parental influence. The state replaces your entire nuclear and extended family, raises your children and cares for your elderly.  [Scroob note:  this last paragraph could’ve been lifted straight out of Jim Kalb:  it accords very much with his interpretations of part of what’s been going on with advanced liberalism.]

[...]

Socialist pioneer Alva Myrdal is the hero of the modern Swedish preschools. She wanted comprehensive education for special child carers who could provide children with competent guidance all day long. What the social engineers discovered later was that despite decades of state-sponsored gender equality propaganda, boys and girls still behaved differently. This disturbed them. Instead of concluding that maybe there are genuine, innate differences between the sexes, which sensible people would do, they decided to indoctrinate children more thoroughly, starting at an even earlier age, to eradicate gender differences.

[...]

Again, this has thus absolutely nothing to do with “tolerance or diversity.” It’s done in order to break you down and to mold you into a new human being. Great emphasis is placed on destroying the Christian heritage of the native population. Pupils are taught that they have been liberated from the superstition and oppression of Christian nonsense. However, while Christianity has been ridiculed and demonized for generations, so much that some Swedish Christians complain about persecution, Islam is presented in textbooks as a benevolent and tolerant religion, and Islam is granted a high degree of respect in the public sphere. [...] Meanwhile, Sweden is in the midst of the most explosive rape wave in Scandinavian history, largely caused by immigration. While Swedish girls are called “whores” by Muslim immigrants, Swedish boys are told to wear a dress and study queer theory.

The piece is worth reading in its entirety.  Caution:  have plenty of Maalox, Rolaids, or other antacids handy and oh yes, if possible some tranqilizers — that or a few ounces of whiskey to swallow, round about the middle of the piece, I estimate, with a few more toward the end —four or five ounces ought to do it, total.  Once you’ve got all that ready, you’re set to go ahead and start reading!

Posted by WLindsayWheeler on September 02, 2007, 03:55 AM | #

“European civilization is based on democratic principles.”

European civilization is NOT based on democratic principles! Who said this? where is this? What is the “Roman republic”? a democracy? What is the Spartan republic? a democracy?  Politeias/republics were created in Europe and existed longer than democracy!  during and after the Dark ages, Europe’s main government was autocracy, monarchy, not democracy.  It is democracy that is destroying Europe and America!  Republics, the Spartan and English Commonwealth, is based on the specific Indo-European trait of Trifunctionality--the research of Dumezil!!!  Republics are the manifestation of Trifunctionality!

Europe had its greatest civilization such as the Hapsburgs and Victorian culture under Monarchy (or classical republicanism)---not democracy! Here is a description of the The Spartan Republic.

Posted by desmond jones on September 02, 2007, 04:50 AM | #

Also of interest from the Fjordman article;

“My 13-year-old son had ‘equality day’ [in school] and had to listen to a transvestite. I have myself never encountered or talked to one during my considerably longer life. Why is this important? Today’s children know nothing about the crimes of Communism, but everything about the sexual orientation of transvestites.”

This last comment is quite literally true. A poll carried out on behalf of the Organization for Information on Communism found that 90 percent of Swedes between the ages of 15 and 20 had never heard of the Gulag, although 95 percent knew of Auschwitz. “Unfortunately we were not at all surprised by the findings,” Ander Hjemdahl, the founder of UOK, told website The Local. In the nationwide poll, 43 percent believed that Communist regimes had claimed less than one million lives. The actual figure is estimated at 100 million. 40 percent believed that Communism had contributed to increased prosperity in the world. Mr. Hjemdahl states several reasons for this massive ignorance, among them that “a large majority of Swedish journalists are left-wingers, many of them quite far left.”

never heard of the Gulag, although 95 percent knew of Auschwitz.

It appears that Swedish media is heavily influenced by the Bonnier Group. The Bonniers are ... Jewish.

Bonnier is a taken name; originally the family was named Hirschel.

Of the seven largest daily newspapers in Sweden, the seven with a daily circulation of over 100,000, the Bonnier family owns four, Dagens Nyheter (the Daily News), Expressen (the Express), Sydsvenska Dagbladet (the Southern Swedish Daily News) and Dagens Industri (the Industry of Today). The largest of the private channels in Sweden is TV4. The Bonnier family directly holds 21,6% of TV4 and through their ownership of the Finnish based Alma media company they hold an additionally 23,4%, totalling up 45% and a virtual control. As head of TV4 we find the Jew Jan Scherman. Through Alma Media, Bonnier also controls MTV3, the most popular channel in Finland with 39,1% of the total viewing time (in 2001) and Subtv, the third largest commercial television channel in Finland, aiming mainly at young adults.

Apropos Finland, Bonnier also owns 23% of MTV in that country. In Finland, Bonnier also controls the leading daily Iltalehti and Kauppalehti, Finland’s largest business media with a circulation of 85.000 per day. Bonnier also control the printing house Lehdentekijät, that produces 40 regularly published magazines in Finland. In addition to that they own five regional papers, 15 local papers and nine free-distribution papers in Finland alone. They further control the Baltic News Service, the leading news bureau in the Baltic region, providing the world with news about the Baltic with a Bonnier touch.

Beside the Bonnier family in Sweden there is the Jew Peter Hjörne (Kaplan), owner and chief editor of Göteborgs-Posten (the Gothenburg Post; GP), the fourth largest newspaper in Sweden with a circulation of 253,700, reaching 600,000 readers daily. GP is furthermore the only newspaper in Sweden’s second city, Gothenburg. Hjörne is also the owner of two local newspapers, Bohuslänningen (32.400) and Strömstads tidning (5,200); both distributed in the Swedish north-west coast area. In addition he controls 22% of Liberala tidningars konsortium (the consortium of liberal newspapers) and thereby Nerike Allehanda (The eighth largest newspaper in Sweden with a circulation of 66,300), Motala tidning/Vadstena tidning (12,800), Bergslagsposten (10,600) and Nya Ludvika tidning (9,500). Finally he also holds 9% of Hallandsposten (31,000).

Hjörne is a part of the old Jewish establishment in Gothenburg and has his way to influence the Gentiles of that city. For instance, when the Jew Steven Spielberg¹s movie Schindler¹s List reached the screens Hjörne personally paid so all senior high school students would see it. The Bonnier family owns 30% and Hjörne owns 10% of The Swedish News-agency Tidningarnas Telegrambyrå (the Swedish Central News Agency), the mainly news source for the none-local news stories in most minor papers in Sweden.

The largest newspaper in Sweden is Aftonbladet (the Evening Post), jointly owned by the Swedish Labour Union and the Norwegian Schibstedt company. The chief editor, however, is the Jewess Helle Klein, great granddaughter of the former grand rabbi of Stockholm, Rabbi Gottlieb Klein. Her father, Ernst Klein, is influential in Swedish media as well. 1990-1999 he was the chief editor of Östgöta Correspondenten, the ninth largest newspaper in Sweden, and now he sits on its board. He furthermore is president of Svensk Presshistorisk Förening (Swedish association of press history).

Posted by desmond jones on September 02, 2007, 04:55 AM | #

According to Wiki, Helle Klein is “currently on leave on absence as she is studying to become apriest in the Church of Sweden.”

Go figure.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 02, 2007, 09:49 AM | #

Thanks to advanced liberalism it’s no longer a church in any sense of the word, Desmond, so there would appear to be no inconsistency.  It’s like the Unitarians, once a genuine branch of Christianity, today offering workshops on polyamory at their yearly meetings.  They’re no longer a religion.

Posted by Steve Edwards on September 02, 2007, 10:54 AM | #

Guessedworker.

On an earlier thread you thanked me “for the favour” I did you with regards to John Ray. I took that to mean that my hounding of John Ray had some effect (however small and indirect) on him leaving this blog, and that this was a good thing. As John Ray was a destructive and unserious individual, an explicit supporter of race-replacement, and even an apologist for the Islamisation of Britain, I can only say “you’re welcome”. But now, you are sponsoring someone who praises the Bolshevik Revolution. They have been elevated to the front pages of Majority Rights. You are defending their work. Is this your way of telling us you’ve learnt nothing from the John Ray affair?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 02, 2007, 10:54 AM | #

A first-rate log entry by Scimitar over at the Occidental Dissent blog.  Read it, folks.  That’s all I can say.  No, I offer no “teaser” excerpts:  a teaser excerpt in this case would have to be the whole thing, it’s all so good.

Posted by Alex Zeka on September 02, 2007, 11:10 AM | #

The Jews were certainly overrepresented in the Soviet government. But this fact is utterly irrelevant and meaningless. These brave Jews divorced themselves from their reactionary religion and embraced European socialism (Russian Bolshevism), thus automatically becoming honorary Aryans. Hence, the Bolshevik Jews were not bad Jews but good Europeans (in the Nietzschean sense as like all true overmen they overcame their own former selves, morphing into something new, noble and self-sacrificing)… Only traitors to Europe do not appreciate the hard work that they did for the betterment of our race. The accomplishments of the Jewish Bolsheviks will always be remembered by any self-respecting European patriot.

Here is Constantin praising the Bolshevik Jews as liberators. Now, Bolshevism involved the mass confiscation of the property of wealthy (white) farmers, the liquidation of the (white) bourgeouisie, the repressive Cheka, and most relevantly the forced starvation of several million Ukrainians. See here for details: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Holodomor&meta=

The last was carried out under the guidance of Lazare Kaganovich, a Jew, who was assisted predominantly by other Jews. So these “brave Jews” who “embraced European socialism” were the main architects of the Societ Union’s early atrocities.

Hence the question: how does one liberate Ukrainians by killing them?

Posted by Alex Zeka on September 02, 2007, 11:20 AM | #

“Europe is based on democratic principles”:

Just two problems with that statement in the context of this article: a. Europe isn’t; b. nor was the USSR.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 02, 2007, 12:07 PM | #

Forgive me, I suspect Constantin’s participation as a blogger — which I strongly support as I’ve said, though I consider him a mixture of excellence and confusion — will meet with greatest success if he’s willing to defend himself in the face of the grilling which commenters here are giving him.  If you rate, on scale of zero to ten, blogger willingness to “get down in the trenches” with the commentariat and “mix it up with them” in self-defense or in steering things in a particular direction, and so on — in not letting criticism go unchallenged — someone like Lawrence Auster who tends to keep very closely involved with reader commentary might rate, let’s say, a ten while someone like Matt Nuenke, who is laissez-faire and close-lipped in regard to reader commentary, a zero.  Someone like Jim Kalb would be in the middle somewhere, let’s say five.  Constantin’s welcome would be assured, it seems to me, if he were willing to respond more but that’s time-consuming, and doubtless exhausting even if you have the time, so it may be asking the impossible — depending on how busy he is.  Right now he’d rate something like a one or two on the scale.  If he could get it up a couple of notches, to four or five maybe, I think people wouldn’t see him as “an alien presence.” Matt Nuenke can get away with not responding in the threads because the stuff he posts doesn’t shock readers.  If you’re going to post stuff, on the other hand, that readers see as “in your face” type stuff, there could be friction, unless you’re willing to defend it in which case the friction gets de-fused in a way as they see you’re really fundamentally one of them, not an adversary.  That’s why, as people have noticed, Constantin came across as likeable, and essentially as “one of us” give or take certain details, in Soren’s interview despite youthful weaknesses such as his unapologetic substance abuse:  in the interview he couldn’t be “in your face” with his unorthodox ideas but had to defend them.  If he can find the time and muster the energy to do the same here, that is, defend himself, he’ll elicit the same reaction as in the interview:  acceptance.  Otherwise some of his stuff risks coming across as “in your face,” it’s so opposed to what we’re used to.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 02, 2007, 04:23 PM | #

“I am not a Marxist.” (—CvH, 8/30, 6:42 AM)

That’s a plus but how does it work?  What remains of bolshevism, exactly, after Marx is subtracted?  You might say “Bolshevism is Marxism-Leninism, so what remains after Marx is subtracted is Leninism,” but if Marx is subtracted little remains of Leninism either.  I don’t see how what remains ought to be called “Bolshevism” unless the “Bolshevism” part of the term “National Bolshevism” is meant in some very loose way.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 02, 2007, 04:49 PM | #

“That’s why, as people have noticed, in Soren’s interview Constantin came across as likeable, and essentially as ‘one of us’ give or take certain details [...]:  in the interview he couldn’t be ‘in your face’ with his unorthodox ideas but had to defend them” (—my comment a couple above)

Had to defend them or concede Soren’s point, which he did (conceded) a number of times as I recall.  “Defending” is just explaining, really, so he was on the radio program mainly explaining his views, explaining in greater detail, occasionally conceding Soren’s objection or other point.  The interview was excellent and he didn’t at all come across as “in your face.” Doing likewise in the MR.com threads — defending/explaining or, when in the mood, conceding — would melt some ice around here though he may not have time to devote (and if he doesn’t, that’s perfectly understandable — that any blogger finds the time, especially someone like GW who runs this whole show, amazes me).

Posted by Robert Reis on September 04, 2007, 09:23 AM | #

The only good Jacobin is a dead Jacobin.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 05, 2007, 01:35 PM | #

See Snouck’s take on the reigning political strategy of forced race-replacement (what he calls “population-replacement").  See also Paul Belien here.  And this is quite nice, incidentally:  the Vlaams Belang is making it clear it is saying No not just to an oppressive Belgium but to an oppressive EU as well!  Flanders will say No to both oppressors!

Long live free Flanders!

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 14, 2007, 02:34 AM | #

“Racism” deemed not just a crime in Europe, but as serious as terrorism: 

I took a class on the history and poltics of the European Union last year.  The prof was working with Powerpoint projections and at one point he was showing us a sheet which detailed cross-border coöperation between [European] national police forces.  There was a list of crimes that merit that kind of international attention:  money laundering, drug smuggling, terrorism, weapons trafficking, etc., and at the bottom list was “racism.” I recall looking around at the people sitting next to me to see if they showed any signs of surprise or something, but it just passed without comment.  [Emphasis added.]

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 14, 2007, 01:48 PM | #

Vicious unprovoked Jewish tribal attack on Eurochristians.

Posted by Tommy G on September 14, 2007, 02:11 PM | #

More unjustified Jewish tribal attacks on Euro-Christians:

http://www.davidduke.com/general/motherhood-crusader-fired-from-german-television_2745.html#more-2745

Posted by Tommy G on September 14, 2007, 04:42 PM | #

More F’ed up news for the Euro-Christians.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a23dbdaa-6164-11dc-bf25-0000779fd2ac.html

These elite bastards that are in league with the children of Satan just won’t quite!

Posted by PF on September 15, 2007, 01:44 AM | #

In Communist East Germany they brought in olympic athletes from Cuba and let them stay in East German villages where they impregnated the women so some villages have half-Cubans growing up in them. The same is true for negro athletes they let in, though in smaller numbers.

I dont see why the breed of person who lives in a place should be allowed to be changed just because of a sporting event.

Posted by Tommy G on September 15, 2007, 01:54 AM | #

“I dont see why the breed of person who lives in a place should be allowed to be changed just because of a sporting event.”

Posted by PF on Saturday, September 15, 2007 at 01:44 AM | #

The question is: why are white women so willingly miscegenating with Negroes?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 15, 2007, 02:41 AM | #

“Why are white women so willingly miscegenating with Negroes?” (—Tommy)

Does this dispel some of the mystery?

Posted by Tommy G on September 15, 2007, 12:36 PM | #

Thanks, Fred. That was spot on.

Many white women are absolutely clueless as to the dangerous game their playing. Not to mention they’re definitely contributing in large measure to the destruction of their own race. Too, we can’t ignore the corrosive effects of radical feminism promoted by feminazis in the NOW...or the likes of Gloria Stein(bitch) etc.

http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/4993/C136/L136

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2006/09/hols_fiend_give.php

Btw-- where are all the other posters?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 15, 2007, 02:00 PM | #

“Btw-- where are all the other posters?” (—Tommy)

In comments traffic, lulls always alternate with spurts.  For my part I’ve been refraining from posting so much, having just gotten another flurry of negative reaction to my commentary (the first being that gonstar flap the other month, in which a number joined gongstar), citing strong dislike of my general style, my “one-liners” (whatever those are supposed to be), my “trademark three-in-a-row comments” (didn’t know that was my trademark), and my being “a comment spammer, spamming the threads with my comments, pushing the other comments off the front page so people can’t read them.” As I said to someone, when criticism comes from the enemy I ignore it but when it comes from people on our side it’s time to make myself less visible.  I’ve tried to refrain from posting altogether, to give others a chance, and where I’ve posted I’ve kept it as brief as possible — a sentence or two, or just a link.

Posted by Tommy G on September 15, 2007, 06:15 PM | #

“I’ve tried to refrain from posting altogether, to give others a chance, and where I’ve posted I’ve kept it as brief as possible — a sentence or two, or just a link."--Fred Scrooby

Fred, please don’t make yourself too scarce for too long. I know I’m not the only one that finds your posts some of the most informative and entertaining. Screw those that don’t have a sense of humor. Let the host decide if your bogarting the threads. I don’t hear any complaints from Guessedworker.

Posted by Steve Edwards on September 16, 2007, 06:12 AM | #

I think Fred is an excellent commenter, who should continue to comment as frequently as he likes. The last thing we need is for the author of “race replacement”, a VERY handy concept, to call it quits.

Posted by Al Ross on September 16, 2007, 08:03 AM | #

Carry on as normal, Fred. Your comments are always most welcome.

Posted by Slavyanski on September 16, 2007, 12:09 PM | #

I don’t know what you people have against democracy.  One minute you claim to be for your “race”, “nation”, or “people”, and on the other hand you don’t consider them fit to run their own affairs.  Either you “love your race”, or you think they are a bunch of morons.

Posted by Slavyanski on September 16, 2007, 12:29 PM | #

What does Bolshevism have to do with killing Ukrainians?  Something like 25% of the Red Army was Ukrainian, and many volunteered.  The second largest ethnicity of HSU winners was Ukrainian.  There is absolutely no evidence of any anti-Ukrainian actions by the Soviet Union. 

“Zhivi Ukraino prekrasna i silna, v Radnyanskim Soyuzni ti shasta zashla...”

Posted by Tommy G on September 16, 2007, 12:46 PM | #

“There is absolutely no evidence of any anti-Ukrainian actions by the Soviet Union.”

You’ve got to be kidding, right?

http://www.ukemonde.com/news/rferl.html

Posted by Alex Zeka on September 16, 2007, 02:16 PM | #

Bolshevism has atleast something to do with the grain confiscations which triggered the death of 5m+ Ukrainians in the late 20s/early 30s, no? Even if the intentions were not democidal, the outcome was.

don’t know what you people have against democracy.  One minute you claim to be for your “race”, “nation”, or “people”, and on the other hand you don’t consider them fit to run their own affairs.  Either you “love your race”, or you think they are a bunch of morons.

Oh, I’m for some sort of democracy. However, statements like “Europe is based on democratic principles” are either simply untrue or examples of hyperbole so dramatic as to be functionally meaningless.

Posted by Slavyanski on September 16, 2007, 02:29 PM | #

5 million Ukrainians?  Are you sure it wasn’t 3? Or was it 7?  Or was it 10?  Had you bothered to look at the evidence, you would have seen that in response to famine, the Soviet government cut exports, lowered procurements to their lowest level in the 30s, and redirected grain back to the collectives from whence it was procured.  Care to post some demographic evidence for your claim? Because I have some demographic statistics and they show about 1 million excess deaths in the Ukraine.  I might also point out that had the Soviets not procured grain at all, millions throughout the cities of the Soviet Union would have starved, including Ukrainians.  Did the peasants have a right to starve millions of people?

Of course Russia and Ukraine suffered a famine that killed 9 million people directly related to the support of international imperialists backing the failing White Guards, but for some reason that is never referred to as a ‘man-made’ famine. 

Sorry pal, the “Ukrainian famine” isn’t going to faze me.

Posted by Tommy G on September 16, 2007, 03:10 PM | #

“Sorry pal, the “Ukrainian famine” isn’t going to faze me.”

Okay, Slavyanski, you’ve clearly demonstrated your a ‘Holodomor denier’. But let me ask you this: Do you believe the official version of the so called “Holocaust?” Does the “Holocaust” faze you? Do you agree 6 million Jews died at the hands of the Nazis?

Posted by Slavyanski on September 16, 2007, 03:22 PM | #

You can’t figure out the difference between a famine, which is a natural phenomenon, and the planned extermination of a people?  In case you didn’t know, much of the evidence for the Holocaust comes from the Nazis’ own documents.  Examination of Soviet archives reveals the exact opposite. 

Do you have any evidence that the Soviet regime deliberately tried to starve Ukrainians or any other group for that matter?  Because that would be news to those who have spent years researching in the archives. 

I find it funny that you think that Holocaust denial has something to do with the Holodomor(itself a contradiction in terms).  There is evidence for the Holocaust, there is not evidence for this Holodomor.  Even Conquest himself admitted that the famine was natural, and he also later admitted that the famine did not affect only Ukrainians.  Smart move on his part, since he arbitrarily quoted death statistics without even checking the demographic records or archival evidence.  But then again, Conquest was always a fraud anyway, and he was exposed as far back as the 70s.

Posted by Slavyanski on September 16, 2007, 03:24 PM | #

Oh one more thing.  Is there any reason why I should doubt the “official” story of the Holocaust?

Posted by Tommy G on September 16, 2007, 04:07 PM | #

“You can’t figure out the difference between a famine, which is a natural phenomenon, and the planned extermination of a people?”

Oh yes I can. I also can figure out the difference between a man made famine and one which is a natural phenomenon. The famine in the Ukraine was diffinatly, without a doubt, caused by Stalin and his overzealous gang of Bolsheviks. Ruthless Bolsheviks hellbent on imposing their policy of collectivization.

“ Policy of collectivization
Simultaneously, a policy of collectivization of agriculture was introduced and by early 1932, 69% of households were collectivized.[11] Even though several other regions in the USSR were collectivized to a greater extent,[12] the effect of the collectivization on the Ukrainian agriculture was very substantial. The collectivization campaign proved highly unpopular with the rural population: when collectivization was still voluntary, very few peasants joined collective farms. For this reason, the regime increasingly pressured peasants to join collective farms. To expedite the process of collectivization, tens of thousands of Soviet officials were sent into the countryside in 1929–1930.

At the same time, the “Twenty-Five Thousanders” (industrial workers and mostly devoted Bolsheviks) were sent to help run the collective farms. In addition, they were expected to quash the increasing passive and active resistance to collectivization by engaging in what was euphemistically referred to as “dekulakization”: the arresting of ‘kulaks’ — allegedly “well-to-do” farmers who opposed the regime and withheld grain from the state collection — and transferring kulak families to the Urals and Central Asia, where they were to be placed in others sectors of the economy such as timber.[13] Effectively, the term ‘kulak’ was applied to anybody resisting collectivization and many of the so-called ‘kulaks’ were no more well off than other peasants. According to the declassified data, around 300,000 Ukrainians out of a population of about 30 million were subject to these policies in 1930-31 and Ukrainians composed 15% of the total 1.8 million ‘kulaks’ relocated Soviet-wide.[14]

Collectivization had an adverse effect on agricultural output everywhere, but since Ukraine was the most agriculturally productive area (over 50% of wheat produced in the Russian Empire originated from Ukraine in the beginning of 20th century), the effects here were particularly dramatic. As projections for agricultural production declined, so did collections by the state. For the 1932 harvest, it was planned that there would be 29.5 million tons in state collections of grain out of 90.7 million tons in production. But the actual result was a disastrous 55-60 million tons in production. The state ended up collecting only 18.5 million tons in grain.[15] The collections by the state were virtually the same in 1930 and 1931 at about 22.8 million tons. For 1932, they had significantly been reduced to 18.5 million tons. “

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

http://www.faminegenocide.com/resources/causes.html

One more question Slavyanski: Are you Jewish?

Posted by Matra on September 16, 2007, 04:56 PM | #

You can’t figure out the difference between a famine, which is a natural phenomenon, and the planned extermination of a people?

That’s what Abe Foxman said a couple of years ago.

Posted by VLC on September 16, 2007, 05:53 PM | #

Rational Red? Feel the need to emphasize your terrific Rationality?

JPSlovjanski:
“I don’t know what you people have against democracy. One minute you claim to be for your “race”, “nation”, or “people”, and on the other hand you don’t consider them fit to run their own affairs. Either you “love your race”, or you think they are a bunch of morons.”

democracy combined with a corrupt media only brings disasters.

Let me make you blind, deaf, and mute and see if you can make good choices based on the carefully selected information I’ll give you about the world in which you live in.

JPSlovjanski:
“Either you “love your race”, or you think they are a bunch of morons.”

very funny. If you thought the peoples of this world made the right choices every time they vote you wouldn’t be a commie and you wouldn’t care about politics at all.

We have caught a deadly cultural disease that is leading us to mass suicide. We want to cure the patient because we care about him, he is us.

Slovjanski, why didn’t you leave the US for Cuba or Venezuela? because if anything is going to come out of Russia it will be russian nationalism not communism. How’s your mission doing ? Have you yet converted any russians to communism?

Posted by Tommy G on September 16, 2007, 06:04 PM | #

“The famine was not “man-made” get over it.”

Oh yes it was indeed “man made” GET WITH IT! I would suggest YOU do some real research and read factual history , not leftist propaganda.

http://www.infoukes.com/history/famine/

And Pulitzer prize winning Ann Applebaum’s “Gulag.”

http://www.amazon.com/Gulag-History-Anne-Applebaum/dp/1400034094

Btw-- you never answered the questions: 1)Do you believe in the OFFICAL version of the Holocaust, and,2) are you a Jew?

If you are a Jew, that would explain your insistence on downplaying the atrocities committed by the Bolsheviks specifically but not exclusively the man-made Ukrainian famine? As we all know Jews in great numbers played significant roles (in leadership positions) carrying out a multitude of atrocities committed in the former Soviet Union.  Jews want these uncomfortable truths about their criminal behavior kept swept under the historical rug, so to speak. It detracts from their monopoly on victimhood via the so called “Holocaust.”

Posted by schaum's on September 16, 2007, 07:01 PM | #

In case you didn’t know, much of the evidence for the Holocaust comes from the Nazis’ own documents.

Please cite this evidence. Someone must have uploaded the material to a webpage somewhere. Because in all my years of reading on the holohoax no site pro or anti has offered such solid evidence.

Posted by VLC on September 16, 2007, 08:21 PM | #

TommyG: “And Pulitzer prize winning...”

be careful: the Pulitzer prize is worthless. the NYT reporter Duranty won a Pulitzer prize after he covered up the reality of the USSR to his readers.

TommyG: “and,2) are you a Jew?”

no he’s a former National Alliance member who became insane after having spent too much time on VNN Forum, he became a Bolshevik freak either before or after he moved to Russia and now he wants to be part of a new red revolution.

Posted by VLC on September 16, 2007, 08:25 PM | #

JPSlovjanski:
“Is there any reason why I should doubt the “official” story of the Holocaust?”

plenty. start here:

http://www.geniebusters.org/915/04f_footnote.html

Posted by Tommy G on September 16, 2007, 09:11 PM | #

“TommyG: “And Pulitzer prize winning...”

be careful: the Pulitzer prize is worthless. the NYT reporter Duranty won a Pulitzer prize after he covered up the reality of the USSR to his readers.”

VLC, the Pulitzer prise board unknowingly awarded Duranty the prise before he was exposed as a two faced double dealing creep who was probably being blackmailed by the Soviet secret police. Even after a few screw-ups along the way, I still believe the Pulitzer prise still maintains it’s prestige.

Excerpt from the link in my post @September 16, 2007 at 12:46 PM | #

http://www.ukemonde.com/news/rferl.html

“The journalist he says played the most influential role in the cover-up was “The New York Times” correspondent Walter Duranty. A drug addict with a shady reputation, Duranty was also an avid fan of Stalin’s, whom he described as “the world’s greatest living statesman.” He was granted the first American interview with the Soviet leader and received privileged information from the secretive regime.

Duranty confided to a British diplomat at the time that he thought 10 million people had perished in the famine. But when other journalists who had traveled to Ukraine began writing about the horrific famine raging there, Duranty branded their information as anti-Soviet lies. Conquest believes that Duranty was being blackmailed by the Soviet secret police over his sexual activities, which reportedly included bisexuality and necrophilia.

The year before the famine, in 1932, Duranty won the Pulitzer Prize, America’s most coveted journalism award, for a series of articles on the Soviet economy. Liciuk says members of the Ukrainian diaspora, as well as Ukrainian politicians and academics, earlier this month launched a campaign to have Duranty’s award posthumously revoked. He said he hopes the campaign will make more people in the world aware of the famine.

A spokesman for the Pulitzer board, Sid Gissler, said the board has considered withdrawing Duranty’s prize on previous occasions but had decided against doing so because it had not been awarded for articles related to the famine. He said he sympathized with the Ukrainian campaign, and added the board would reconsider the question again later this year....”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

VLC: “no he’s a former National Alliance member who became insane after having spent too much time on VNN Forum, he became a Bolshevik freak either before or after he moved to Russia and now he wants to be part of a new red revolution.”

Thanks for the scoop on this guy, VLC.

LOL, so he’s just another delusional neo-commie...sort of like a Democrat lead by Comrade Hillary Clinton?

Posted by Alex Zeka on September 16, 2007, 10:50 PM | #

Irrespective of whether the Holodmor famine was *engineered* or just a by-product of an insane ideology, the fact remains that the Soviets somehow managed to create a food shortage in what had previously been Russia’s (and indeed much of Europe’s) breadbasket. Jewish Bolsheviks - actively malign or accidentally dangerous?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 16, 2007, 11:54 PM | #

Here‘s a useful resource on the Holodomor.  Another is Lev Kopelev‘s book:  Kopelev was one of the Bolsheviks who were actually there, on the ground, carrying out the whole thing.

Posted by Slavyanski on September 17, 2007, 11:22 AM | #

Well we certainly hit the motherlode of idiocy here!  Where to begin.  I think I’ll start with the accusation or insinuation that I must be Jewish.  Of course someone who shatters your little wannabe-Holocaust(the Holodomor) must be Jewish right?  It’s funny how you guys try to cover up your anti-Semitism, and fail so miserably. 

There is no evidence that there was a “man-made” famine in the Ukraine in 1931-32.  If one wants to blame the Soviets for the famine that did occur, one would have to level the same charge of genocide at France for famines that occured in Vietnam in the 1940s and in its African colonies in 1931.  In fact, France did far less to alleviate the problem than the Soviets, as it did not cut its procurements at all in response to the problem.  In addition to this, some people also would claim the Irish potato-famine was “man-made” because the British government did not do enough to prevent casulties.  More importantly, one would have to level the accusation of genocide against the Russian provisional government, and the interventionalist armies in the Russian Civil War, because it was their continuation of the war which led to the famine of 1921-22, which incidentily was actually proven to have killed somewhere around 9-10 million people. 

You have to be a complete moron to believe there is some kind of equivalency between firing squads/gas chambers and a famine, something that occured frequently in Russia and Ukraine thoughout the Tsarist period.  There was indeed a famine that occured in 1931-32, and at the same time archival documentation as well as eyewitnesses report several key facts:

1. The accusation that the famine was “man-made” is based on the claim that the harvest of that year was sufficient or better.  In fact, documentary evidence shows the exact opposite.  A number of problems such as drought, disease, and the usual backwardness of Russian agriculture which the Bolsheviks were trying to fight, caused a low harvest.  The leadership was not promptly informed of this fact, which is why procurement quotas were not initially lowered, nor were exports cut.  Once the center was informed, procurements were cut to their lowest level in the 1930s, exports were cut, and grain was actually returned to many collectives(some collectives were allowed to be decollectivized in situations where it was deemed more efficient for the time being). 

All of point one is based on information located in previously-secret archival records from the USSR.  THESE ARCHIVES HAVE BEEN OPEN SINCE 1991, AND TO THIS DAY NOBODY HAS PRODUCED A SINGLE DOCUMENT SHOWING A GOVERNMENT PLOT TO STARVE ANY PARTICULAR GROUP OF PEOPLE.  Shit, huh?

2. The starvation due to the famine was so widespread it affected people in the cities including in Moscow, and including party members.  Strange plot to exterminate people huh?  How many SS men were accidentily gassed?  How many Einsatzgruppen members accidentily shot each other on firing squad duty? 

3. Given the economic history of Ukraine in that era and shortly after, as well as the overwhelming majority of Ukrainian’s response to the Nazis(HINT: Far more resisted), it seems strange that this was the site of a horrible famine that killed 7-10 million. 

4. Originally the stated deaths of the famine were 3-4 million.  In the 1980s, the West decided to up that figure, so with no further research they raised it to 7 million.  What do actual demographics show for excess deaths during that period of 1931-1932?

Roughly 1.5 million deaths in the Ukraine, 2.2 total for the whole Soviet Union. 

WOW! 

The Ukrainian nationalists, hiding like cowards in California, Canada, and England, can whine all they want.  These people were traitors to Ukraine, still are, and always will be.

Posted by Slavyanski on September 17, 2007, 11:31 AM | #

Now let’s deal with that insinuation that I went “insane”.  I love that comparison because right-wingers always whine and bitch if people insinuate that they are irrational or possibly mentally ill(some have suggested, for example, that anti-Semitism is related to a mental illness).  They also occasionally claim that the Soviet Union used to throw people who disagreed with the regime into asylums as “insane”.  Of course they can never seem to name one person who was labelled “insane” for his dissent, but it’s not like it’s the first time right-wingers have pulled things out of their asses without the facts to back them up(I guess the Ukrainian famine might have been one of the first). 

One would have to be insane to fully buy into the ideology of the National Alliance, and specifically Pierce.  I never did, having far more trust in a few intellectuals that showed some kind of promise.  Some were genuine, many were not.  Either way, to reject the National Alliance is a sign of sanity, not insanity. 

Now let us talk about the “Jewish Bolsheviks”.  This seems to be one of these sites where people just assume that everyone accepts the claim of “Jewish Bolsheviks”.  Bad news...most of the world does not.  You say “Jewish Bolsheviks” were responsible for “crimes” of the Soviet Union?  Fine- WHO, WHEN, WHAT? 

Contrary to nutcase claims, Jews were neither a majority in the Soviet leadership, nor were they the most overrepresented group.  In fact, nearly all groups in the Central Committee were overrepresented, including Great Russians.  Latvians had the highest overrepresentation. 

Lastly, to the moron who claims he wasn’t aware of any documentation proving the Holocaust, you might want to actually look into it some time.  Look up the Bichoff memos for example.  No, not at Zundelsite or some other nutcase haven, but at any credible historical site.  There it is in black and white.  There is far more than that if you actually took the time to look. 

Strangely, the Soviet Secret Archives have been open since 1991 and nobody seems able to find the documents that reveal a plan to starve millions of people- in fact, they find much evidence to the contrary.

Posted by Slavyanski on September 17, 2007, 11:52 AM | #

One more thing, I wanted to point out the dishonesty of some of the Nazis here(yes, Holocaust deniers are generally either Neo-Nazis or Nazi sympathizers). 

Check out this quote:

“Please cite this evidence. Someone must have uploaded the material to a webpage somewhere. Because in all my years of reading on the holohoax no site pro or anti has offered such solid evidence.
Posted by schaum’s on Sunday, September 16, 2007 at 07:01 PM | #”

Now first off, if someone was not a die-hard denier, they wouldn’t refer to it as “the Holohoax”.  But notice he claims to have years of reading on the subject, and yet he has never seen solid evidence.  Either he is lying about doing the research(probably), or he is just ignoring everything which contradicts his claim.  Probably a little bit of both actually.

If the Holocaust is a hoax, kindly tell me who created the hoax.  That shouldn’t be too hard to do.

Posted by Tommy G on September 17, 2007, 12:25 PM | #

“Well we certainly hit the motherlode of idiocy here!”

TG: Yes we did, and you brought the mother-lode here; it’s named Slavyanski.

“Where to begin.  I think I’ll start with the accusation or insinuation that I must be Jewish.”

TG: What? Are you dense? I just asked if you were Jewish...that’s all. If you were indeed Jewish, then you might have some rational reasons to engage in historical revisionism of the Holodomor/genocide. It’s really convenient of you--just like a good little commie--to ignore the forced collectivization of the farms in Ukraine as the proximate cause of the famine. And what about all those Ukrainian Kulaks the “benevolent” Bolsheviks hauled off to the archipelago of prison camps? Please explain to us what their actual crimes were again?

“Of course someone who shatters your little wannabe-Holocaust(the Holodomor) must be Jewish right?”

TG: Don’t flatter yourself. You didn’t shatter anything. And no, they mustn’t be Jewish, just a misguided brainwashed fool like yourself Slavy! Someone who’s premises don’t square with reality.

“It’s funny how you guys try to cover up your anti-Semitism, and fail so miserably.”

TG: Who’s trying to cover up any anti-Semitism? From what I read here at MR, any discussion of non-Arab Semites is based on objective reality. How is that anti-Semitism? 

The problem with you, Slavyanski, is your mind is supended in the red fog of the unknown. Slavy, you simply don’t know, and don’t know you don’t know the hidious truth about your beloved Soviet Union.

Posted by Slavyanski on September 17, 2007, 01:59 PM | #

“TG: Yes we did, and you brought the mother-lode here; it’s named Slavyanski.”

Wow, you could have saved some time and typed “NO U!”

TG: What? Are you dense? I just asked if you were Jewish...that’s all. If you were indeed Jewish, then you might have some rational reasons to engage in historical revisionism of the Holodomor/genocide.

No, there are plenty of rational reasons, such as concern for historical truth.  That is why virtually every objective historian who has had access to archival evidence disagrees with the “genocide” characterization of the Ukrainian famine(which didn’t affect only Ukraine).  There is no reason why Jews would have the most rational reason to oppose that fairy-tale, unless one accepts the false assumption that Jews were somehow behind Bolshevism.

“It’s really convenient of you--just like a good little commie--to ignore the forced collectivization of the farms in Ukraine as the proximate cause of the famine.”

Sorry but the evidence points to drought and other factors.  Ukraine and the Russian empire had a history of famine, sometimes consecutively.  Advances such as mechanization, facilitated by collectivization, eventually ended that problem.  By 1934 the Soviet Union was able to feed its growing urban population.

“And what about all those Ukrainian Kulaks the “benevolent” Bolsheviks hauled off to the archipelago of prison camps? Please explain to us what their actual crimes were again?”

Hmmm...grain speculation and potentially starving millions of people in cities just to obtain a higher price for their products?  That sounds like a crime to me.

“TG: Don’t flatter yourself. You didn’t shatter anything. And no, they mustn’t be Jewish, just a misguided brainwashed fool like yourself Slavy! Someone who’s premises don’t square with reality.”

This from the guy that believes in the “Holodomor”.

“TG: Who’s trying to cover up any anti-Semitism? From what I read here at MR, any discussion of non-Arab Semites is based on objective reality. How is that anti-Semitism? “

Objective reality?  Hardly.  Otherwise you wouldn’t associate Bolsheviks with Jews.

“The problem with you, Slavyanski, is your mind is supended in the red fog of the unknown. Slavy, you simply don’t know, and don’t know you don’t know the hidious truth about your beloved Soviet Union.
Posted by Tommy G on Monday, September 17, 2007 at 12:25 PM | #”

Correction, I clearly know more than you.  I see you still haven’t come up with an answer as to why the Soviet archives have been open since 1991 and there hasn’t been one document suggesting a plan by the regime to starve off a large part of the population.

Posted by Tommy G on September 17, 2007, 02:41 PM | #

Slavyanski,

I certainly would like to believe that the famine in Ukraine was a natural phenomenon; I revolt at the thought that Whites could commit such murderous and cruel acts towards other whites: however, the preponderance of the evedence tells us otherwise.

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TG: Who’s trying to cover up any anti-Semitism? From what I read here at MR, any discussion of non-Arab Semites is based on objective reality. How is that anti-Semitism? 

Slavy:"Objective reality?  Hardly.  Otherwise you wouldn’t associate Bolsheviks with Jews.”

Well, here’s some objective truths regarding Jews, Bolsheviks, their involvement in the man-made famine in Ukraine, and the over-representation of Jews in elite positions during the 1920’s and 1930’s Soviet Union.

http://www.vdare.com/misc/051105_macdonald_stalin.htm

Posted by desmond jones on September 17, 2007, 07:36 PM | #

40 Two weeks later, after having received more or less precise information from local GPU authorities, Genrikh Iagoda issued Order no. 44/21 giving, for each region, territory, and republic of the USSR, roundnumber quotas of dekulakization. This directive singled out two categories of kulaks. Kulaks “of the first category”–60,000 individuals–defined as “engaged in counterrevolutionary activities” or “particularly vicious” (!) were to be arrested and transferred to GPU camps or executed if they put up any sign of resistance.  41 Kulaks “of the second category”–120,000 families, at the initial phase of the operation–defined as “showing less active opposition, but nonetheless arch-exploiters with an innate tendency to destabilize the regime, ” were to be arrested and deported with their families to remote regions of the country (Siberia, Kazakhstan, Urals, far North).  42 The list of kulaks in the first category was to be drawn up by the GPU, on the basis of information gathered over the years on “anti-Soviet elements” (these included not only “wealthy” peasants but all sorts of “dubious” people, such as village priests, “police officers from the tsarist regime, ” small traders, and ex-landowners, members of the “village intelligentsia, ” who might have been, in the past, members of the “White movement, ” of “bourgeois” or socialist-revolutionary parties, etc.). Lists of kulaks in the second category were made in situ at the recommendation of local party and other village activists. These practices naturally opened the way to innumerable abuses, looting, and settling of old scores, as dekulakization brigades not only fulfilled but overfulfilled the required quotas.

Far from being the planned operation based on firm quotas the GPU headquarters had dreamed of, “dekulakization” developed as a chaotic and largely uncontrolled process. GPU top officials continually complained about local officials arresting “not the right kind of people”–which was hardly surprising, since no one had ever defined who was a “kulak”! 43
____________________
40 Directive no. 776 of January 18, 1930. See N. Ivnitski, Kollektivisatsia i Razkulacivanie (Collectivization and dekulakization) (Moscow, 1994), 102–10.
41 In addition, their families were to be deported and all their property confiscated. See Ivnitski, Kollektivisatsia i Razkulacivanie, 112–14.
42 The special commission from the Politburo, presided over by V. Molotov, that was in charge of dekulakization defined, in the course of the events, a third category. Kulaks in the third category classified by local activists as “loyal to the regime” were to be transferred to the peripheral regions of the districts in which they lived, “outside the collectivized zones, on land requiring improvement.” The number of kulaks of the third category is estimated at 400,000 families (between 1.5 and 2 million people).
43 Among innumerable examples, see, Iagoda’s remarks at the bottom of the report dated February 15, 1930, which detailed the categories of individuals arrested: “The regions of the Northeast and of Leningrad have not understood the orders, or at least are pretending not to have understood them. They must be forced to understand. We are not trying to clear the territory of popes, shopkeepers, and ‘others.’ If they write ‘others,’ that means they don’t even know who it is they are arresting. There will be plenty of time to dispose of shopkeepers, popes, and religious activists. What we are trying to do now is to strike at the heart of the problem by weeding out the kulaks and kulak counterrevolutionaries.” See V. P. Danilov and A. Berelowich, “Les documents de la VCK-OGPUNKVD sur les campagnes soviétiques, 1918–1937, ” Cahiers du monde russe 35 (1994): 671.

The Specter of Genocide: Mass Murder in Historical Perspective

Book by Robert Gellately, Ben Kieman; Cambridge University Press, 2003

Stalin and his Jews stole the property, livestock, crops and any means of production from defined groups of people. Those people starved because they could not feed themselves. If starvation was not planned, what exactly was the expected outcome?

Posted by Henry Strawberry on September 17, 2007, 09:16 PM | #

Slavyanski site does have some nice scans of Albanian propaganda posters from the socialist years. the man obvioiusly has a sense of humor.

Posted by VLC on September 18, 2007, 04:10 AM | #

JPSlovjanski:
These people [the Ukrainian nationalists] were traitors to Ukraine, still are, and always will be.

LOL! that’s rich coming from a raving communist lunatic: ukrainian nationalists are traitors because, because mmmmm… they’re nationalists! and they hated the USSR and the communists. And they blame the soviets for the famine. Ukraine was so much better under the soviet boots when the NKVD had carte blanche, right?

Speaking of treason what have you done to harm your race today? I mean besides posting nonsense on your blog

JPSlovjanski:
One would have to be insane to fully buy into the ideology of the National Alliance, and specifically Pierce.

there’s nothing wrong with William Pierce’s intellectual work, his American Dissident Voices broadcasts are among the best commentaries ever published/broadcasted on contemporary american society. He had a very clear and sharp mind, unlike you

JPSlovjanski:
Now let us talk about the “Jewish Bolsheviks”. This seems to be one of these sites where people just assume that everyone accepts the claim of “Jewish Bolsheviks”.

even if they weren’t dominant at the beginning they didn’t waste time getting into it:

http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/commlink.htm

In Warsaw about 65 per cent of the Communist membership was Jewish. In 1930 “Jews constituted 51 percent of the [Communist Union of Polish Youth], while ethnic Poles were only 19 percent. (The rest were Bylerussians and Ukrainians).” [SCHATZ, p. 96] In 1932 Jews were 90 percent of the International Organization for Help to Revolutionaries. [SCHATZ, p. 97] They were also 54 percent of the communist field leadership, 75 percent of its propagandists, and “occupied most of the seats” of the Central Committee of the Communist Workers’ Party and Communist Party of Poland. In pre-World War II Poland, many communist activists were jailed. Polish researcher Andrzej Zwolinski fond that “in Polish court proceedings against communists between 1927 and 1936, 10 percent of those accused were Polish Christians and 90 percent were Jews.” [PIOTROWSKI, p. 36] [SCHATZ, p. 97] Not surprisingly, the formal positions of the Polish Communist Party included a “firm stand against anti-Semitism.” [SCHATZ, p. 100]

http://web.archive.org/web/20040603033839/ukar.org/mclell07.html

As a Jew, I’m interested in another question entirely: Why were there so many Jews among the NKVD-MVD investigators ? including many of the most terrible?  It’s a painful question for me but I cannot evade it.  (Yevgenia Albats, The State Within a State: The KGB and its Hold on Russia, Past, Present and Future, 1994, p. 147)

It is difficult to suggest a satisfactory reason for the prevalence of Jews in the Cheka. It may be that having suffered at the hand of the former Russian authorities they wanted to seize the reins of real power in the new state for themselves.  (Leonard Shapiro, The Role of Jews in the Russian Revolutionary Movement, Slavonic and East European Review, 1961, 40, p. 165)

JPSlovjanski:
If the Holocaust is a hoax, kindly tell me who created the hoax. That shouldn’t be too hard to do.
Ilya Ehrenburg, although the tale of the Six Million appeared almost 20 years earlier:

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/tfh/3.html

JPSlovjanski:
I see you still haven’t come up with an answer as to why the Soviet archives have been open since 1991 and there hasn’t been one document suggesting a plan by the regime to starve off a large part of the population.

perhaps you have a point JP because no order to exterminate the jews has ever been found and Hilberg claims it all happened without a precise plan and without orders.

Posted by Tommy G on September 18, 2007, 01:09 PM | #

Slavyanski asserts: “… the Soviet archives have been open since 1991 and there hasn’t been one document suggesting a plan by the regime to starve off a large part of the population.”

VLC, since Slavyanski has proven himself to be somewhat of a wack job, Im going to respectfully and sincerely address my question to you.

Why should anyone trust those archives which Slavyanski refers to, to be wholly authentic and not altered in any way? I strongly suspect the real documents--if any existed in the first place-- have been disposed of and replaced with forged documents. It’s evident to me the Russians have every reason to cover up the atrocities committed against the Ukrainian people caused by their man-made famine in 1932 and 1933 (Holodomor).

Posted by VLC on September 19, 2007, 06:22 AM | #

of course one has to be careful with soviet documents. You’re dealing with people who went as far as to erase Trotsky from photos

Posted by Slavyanski on September 19, 2007, 01:56 PM | #

Hilarious.  One guy posts what he thinks is evidence that the famine was man-made, while another guy then decides to doubt everything in the archives as possibly forged.  Sorry but history doesn’t work that way.  The burden of proof is on the accusers to show a plan of starvation for Ukrainians or any other ethnic group.  Collectivization didn’t mean simply stealing livestock or grain from people; it meant “COLLECTIVIZATION”.  Those that tried to resist by refusing to sow or in some extreme cases, killing livestock, had their property confiscated and given to those who would use it. 

Again, if you claim that collectivization constitutes a man-made famine, then the same accusation must be leveled at many other countries, up unto the present day- as agricultural policies or lack thereof has often led to famine throughout history.  What we do know is that by contrast, the Soviet collectivization ultimately worked, and the results were drastically lowered infant mortality and a doubled-lifespan(though this was due to other social policies as well). 

Either you can quote primary source documents, or you can dismiss them(without evidence) of being forged, but you cannot choose to believe the ones that support your view and dismiss those that contradict it.  It is also ludicrous to suggest that the Soviet Union would forge documents and then lock them away in secret. 

It’s funny how you people like to refer to me as a “whackjob” or “insane"(again, missing the irony of how you people constantly bitch about normal people labelling you in the same fashion), and yet we have people on here who refer to collectivization as “Stalin and the Jews.” And when asked to present actual evidence of this preponderance of Jews, we suddenly see sources like Kevin MacDonald or Jewish Tribal Review.  That is because all of you are well aware that if you actually were to find and produce statistics on ethnicities in the NKVD or Central Committee, you would find that Jews were in fact neither a majority, nor the most overrepresented group. 

I could care less if some nutcase Jew wants to claim that there was a preponderance of Jews in the NKVD/Cheka.  Let HIM produce the statistics then, and then let him explain how a certain minority in an organization encompassing tens of thousands of people somehow shows dominance while the overrepresentation of other minorities does not. 

If this anti-Semitic conspiracy theory is not just a paranoid fantasy, why is the overrepresentation of Jews in the first Central Committee treated as something so noteworthy, while the larger overrepresentation of say, Latvians(the highest overrepresentation), isn’t.  Clearly the anti-Semitic nutcases believe that other national groups in Soviet organs of power were more-or-less authentic internationalist Communists, while the Jews were somehow only concerned with their own interests.  This is a clear bias and it is wholly irrational.

Posted by Slavyanski on September 19, 2007, 02:12 PM | #

“LOL! that’s rich coming from a raving communist lunatic:”

Sure, you believe in Jewish conspiracy theories, and deny the Holocaust, but I’m the “lunatic”.

“ukrainian nationalists are traitors because, because mmmmm… they’re nationalists! “

They are traitors because they have historically allied with larger powers and often betrayed them.  The West Ukrainian nationalists first allied with the Poles just to get a scrap of a state, and then ended up being dominated by Poland.  Then they supported the Germans, and their aid facilitated the murder of millions of Russians and Ukrainians.

“and they hated the USSR and the communists. And they blame the soviets for the famine.”

They can blame all they want, they are irrational people.  I might also point out that many of the Ukrainian nationalists, in fact most of them, are Galician.  In other words, while that famine was happening they were under Polish domination.

“ Ukraine was so much better under the soviet boots when the NKVD had carte blanche, right?”

Nobody was buying and selling Ukrainian women worldwide back then.  And compare the demographic/population growth statistics from that era and now. 

“Speaking of treason what have you done to harm your race today? I mean besides posting nonsense on your blog”

Ooooooh....HARM my race!!! I HARMED my race by posting on this blog.  And I’M the whackjob right?

“there’s nothing wrong with William Pierce’s intellectual work, his American Dissident Voices broadcasts are among the best commentaries ever published/broadcasted on contemporary american society. He had a very clear and sharp mind, unlike you”

This sentence says a lot about you.  Pierce revelled in the idea of genocide, displayed a clear hatred of women, and even his own people in general.  Perhaps you don’t have as much knowledge of his writings as I.

“even if they weren’t dominant at the beginning they didn’t waste time getting into it:

http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/commlink.htm”

They were never dominant.  In fact, Jews lost presense in the Soviet leadership ever since the 1920s.  The passage from Schatz is interesting because Kevin MacDonald deliberately cut passages from Schatz’ book to distort what he was saying.  Schatz tried to correct MacDonald in a published online debate, but MacDonald proceeded to assert that he knew Schatz’ work better then Schatz’ himself. 

“Ilya Ehrenburg, although the tale of the Six Million appeared almost 20 years earlier:

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/tfh/3.html”

WOW!!! Ilya Ehrenburg singlehandedly built phony gas chambers, forged thousands of documents, forged Goebbels’ diary, contaminated blown up fake gas chambers with cyanide(as the Forensics Institute of Krakow found at the Birkenau chambers), and fixed the stories of hundreds of thousands of people including the perpetrators.  INCREDIBLE!!!!

Oh and the “20 year ago” claim again shows how ironic it is that you call me a whackjob.  As if one guy stating that 6 million Jews were in danger of dying from starvation constitutes an attempt to fake something that big.

“perhaps you have a point JP because no order to exterminate the jews has ever been found and Hilberg claims it all happened without a precise plan and without orders. “

Look up the Max Taubner verdict and the Bichoff memos, and you will see clear documentary evidence of extermination- then you can claim they were forged....by Ilya Ehrenburg.  Of course that still can’t explain where all these Jews went, or why there are records of trains arriving at Auschwitz full of people, but the camp populations don’t rise, etc. etc.

Posted by Tommy G on September 19, 2007, 02:43 PM | #

Nice people those Bolshevists. They really knew how to persuade their own citizens in a kindly benevolent fashion to cooperate with communist totalitarianism.

Check this out:

Grain Problem

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Addendum to the minutes of Politburo [meeting] No. 93.

RESOLUTION OF THE COUNCIL OF PEOPLE’S COMMISSARS OF THE UKRAINIAN
SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLIC AND OF THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE OF THE
COMMUNIST PARTY (BOLSHEVIK) OF UKRAINE ON BLACKLISTING VILLAGES
THAT MALICIOUSLY SABOTAGE THE COLLECTION OF GRAIN.

In view of the shameful collapse of grain collection in the
more remote regions of Ukraine, the Council of People’s
Commissars and the Central Committee call upon the oblast
executive committees and the oblast [party] committees as well as
the raion executive committees and the raion [party] committees:
to break up the sabotage of grain collection, which has been
organized by kulak and counterrevolutionary elements; to
liquidate the resistance of some of the rural communists, who in
fact have become the leaders of the sabotage; to eliminate the
passivity and complacency toward the saboteurs, incompatible with
being a party member; and to ensure, with maximum speed, full and
absolute compliance with the plan for grain collection.

The Council of People’s Commissars and the Central Committee
resolve:

To place the following villages on the black list for overt
disruption of the grain collection plan and for malicious
sabotage, organized by kulak and counterrevolutionary elements:

1. village of Verbka in Pavlograd raion, Dnepropetrovsk
oblast.

...

5. village of Sviatotroitskoe in Troitsk raion, Odessa oblast.

6. village of Peski in Bashtan raion, Odessa oblast.

The following measures should be undertaken with respect to
these villages :

1.  Immediate cessation of delivery of goods, complete
suspension of cooperative and state trade in the villages, and
removal of all available goods from cooperative and state stores.

2.  Full prohibition of collective farm trade for both
collective farms and collective farmers, and for private farmers.

3.  Cessation of any sort of credit and demand for early
repayment of credit and other financial obligations. 

4.  Investigation and purge of all sorts of foreign and
hostile elements from cooperative and state institutions, to be
carried out by organs of the Workers and Peasants Inspectorate.

5.  Investigation and purge of collective farms in these
villages, with removal of counterrevolutionary elements and
organizers of grain collection disruption.

The Council of People’s Commissars and the Central Committee
call upon all collective and private farmers who are honest and
dedicated to Soviet rule to organize all their efforts for a
merciless struggle against kulaks and their accomplices in order
to:  defeat in their villages the kulak sabotage of grain
collection; fulfill honestly and conscientiously their grain
collection obligations to the Soviet authorities; and strengthen
collective farms.

CHAIRMAN OF THE COUNCIL OF PEOPLE’S
COMMISSARS OF THE UKRAINIAN SOVIET SOCIALIST
REPUBLIC - V. CHUBAR’.

SECRETARY OF THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE OF THE
COMMUNIST PARTY (BOLSHEVIK) OF UKRAINE - S. 
KOSIOR.

6 December 1932.

True copy

Memorandum on Grain Problem
Translation of memorandum

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Posted by Tommy G on September 19, 2007, 02:46 PM | #

http://www.conservapedia.com/Holodomor#_note-15

Posted by VLC on September 20, 2007, 02:57 PM | #

JPSlovjanski:
That is because all of you are well aware that if you actually were to find and produce statistics on ethnicities in the NKVD or Central Committee, you would find that Jews were in fact neither a majority, nor the most overrepresented group.

jews were overrepresent in the NKVD-Cheka in Ukraine

http://web.archive.org/web/20040402053500/ukar.org/shapov01.html

but hey I didn’t do the research myself, I don’t speak ukrainian anyway. I must presume it’s all wrong. Because it’s antisemitic. Yes, it all makes perfect sense.

JPSlovjanski:
you believe in Jewish conspiracy theories

I’ve read Kevin MacDonald and the Jewish Tribal Review website, that’s all. I believe that jews act according to what they feel is “good for jews”, whether it is rational or not and that they don’t want the non-jews to see them as an extremely ethnocentric group with a dual moral code, because having a negative repution would be ‘bad for the jews’.

JPSlovjanski:
and deny the Holocaust

there was no Six Millions in Gas Chambers. Half a million at most and not gassed. No plans to exterminate and no orders related to that non-existant plan were ever found. The jews simply exaggerated the death toll and made up tons of horror stories. Lampshades and soap. Shrunken heads. Jewish babies used as clay pigeons.

JPSlovjanski:
but I’m the “lunatic”.

because you’re a communist who thinks the USSR was a great experiment and the soviets the good guys.

JPSlovjanski:
Nobody was buying and selling Ukrainian women worldwide back then.

and guess where a lot of them end up. Protecting ukrainian women from organized crime would be antisemitic.

JPSlovjanski:
Schatz tried to correct MacDonald in a published online debate, but MacDonald proceeded to assert that he knew Schatz’ work better then Schatz’ himself.

Schatz did what all jews do when they uncover facts that others use to ascribe something negative to jews: they shoot at the Bad messenger. The truth doesn’t matter, what matters is the gentiles’ perception and the possible negative effects on jews. For example when Earl Raab says jews have been pushing for non-white immigration in the US, it’s OK because he’s proud of that and he wrote that in a jewish paper, Stephen Steinlight said the same and it was still OK because he came up with an excuse for it but when Kevin MacDonald or another white man says the same thing but opposes the jewish agenda, well it’s antisemitism, it’s hate speech, it’s a dishonest research.

Same facts, different judgement. Typical jewish behavior.

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/lieberman.html

On the other hand, Schatz seems to think that it is literally inconceivable that anti-Semitism could involve rational perceptions of self-interest (“that anti-Semitism is, or may ever be, rational”). This strikes me as pure mysticism. Would Schatz similarly suppose that negative Jewish attitudes toward their enemies (e.g., Nazis) are similarly always necessarily irrational? I believe that this is just another instance of the attempt to take the study of anti-Semitism completely beyond the realm of science and the attempt to vilify writers who presume to suppose that there are indeed links between actual Jewish behavior and some instances of anti-Semitism.

- Kevin MacDonald

another example: jews running Hollywood.

jewish documentary filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici says jews run Hollywood but he can say that without being called an antisemite because he thinks it’s either a good or a neutral thing. And I don’t think his documentary will ever be showed on primetime TV

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7--FG8o57WI

try David Duke now. He says jews run Hollywood, which is true, but he doesn’t like it. That’s Hate and Antisemitism. Remember what happened to Brando?

JPSlovjanski:
Ilya Ehrenburg singlehandedly built phony gas chambers, forged thousands of documents, forged Goebbels’ diary, contaminated blown up fake gas chambers with cyanide(as the Forensics Institute of Krakow found at the Birkenau chambers), and fixed the stories of hundreds of thousands of people including the perpetrators.

funny how you accept the official story of the holocaust without skepticism but you deny the official story of the holodomor. OK. You claim to have studied the holodomor ‘myth’. Fine. Why don’t you now do the same for the holocaust? I suggest you start here:

http://www.geniebusters.org/915/04f_footnote.html

you know how many names they have at Yad Vashem? (hint: it isn’t Six Million.)

And how come Anne Frank wasn’t gassed while she was in Auschwitz and instead treated in an hospital where ze evil germans tried to save her life? That detail always bothered me.

If there had been thousands of documents proving the holocaust happened Raul Hilberg could have handed them to Doug Christie in the Zundel trial. And he wouldn’t have to claim that the holocaust happened without a plan and without orders being carried to execute the plan.

In the final analysis, the destruction of the Jews was not so much a product of laws and commands as it was a matter of spirit, of shared comprehension, of consonance and synchronization.

JPSlovjanski:
Oh and the “20 year ago” claim again shows how ironic it is that you call me a whackjob. As if one guy stating that 6 million Jews were in danger of dying from starvation constitutes an attempt to fake something that big.

it constitutes an attempt to generate philosemitism on a large scale by pretending that millions of jews were dying. I consider that a good ploy to counter antisemitism. And we’re not talking about one guy but lots of them trying to make the world believe that the jews of Europe were dying and no one was lifting a finger to help them. At the time of World War I.

Was it true? Was it false? It seems we can conclude it wasn’t true. But the truth doesn’t matter for jews, their minds don’t work that way.

JPSlovjanski:
Look up the Max Taubner verdict and the Bischoff memos, and you will see clear documentary evidence of extermination- then you can claim they were forged....by Ilya Ehrenburg.  Of course that still can’t explain where all these Jews went, or why there are records of trains arriving at Auschwitz full of people, but the camp populations don’t rise, etc. etc.

nobody said the nazis didn’t commit massacres against jews, thousands of them were killed *by bullets* at Riga but that the Six Million in gas chambers story is bogus. And absurd when you actually think about it. Just think how efficient the Katyn massacre was. A bullet in the head. Simple. Quick.

oh wait, are you going to tell us that the soviets didn’t do Katyn? Well, all those polish traitors had it coming anyway

Posted by Slavyanski on September 23, 2007, 02:27 PM | #

It just gets better and better!

“jews were overrepresent in the NKVD-Cheka in Ukraine

http://web.archive.org/web/20040402053500/ukar.org/shapov01.html”

Oh yeah, UKAR is a reliable source.  Lubomir is a nutcase, plain and simple.

“but hey I didn’t do the research myself, I don’t speak ukrainian anyway. I must presume it’s all wrong. Because it’s antisemitic. Yes, it all makes perfect sense.”

You still haven’t figured it out yet:  Why is OVERREPRESENTATION, which would mean more members in relation to their percentage of the population, important at all?  Many groups were overrepresented in Soviet leadership bodies, including Greater Russians.  Why would you expect organizations involving so many people to have perfectly proportional representation?

“I’ve read Kevin MacDonald and the Jewish Tribal Review website, that’s all. “

Both are known as anti-Semitic.  Kevin MacDonald in fact, used as one of his sources Wolf of the Kremlin, a false biography of Lazar Kaganovich.  As far as I know, he has not changed his tune after discovering it was a fabrication.

“I believe that jews act according to what they feel is “good for jews”, whether it is rational or not and that they don’t want the non-jews to see them as an extremely ethnocentric group with a dual moral code, because having a negative repution would be ‘bad for the jews’.”

And what evidence is there of this?  For one thing, Jewish nationalist or extremist groups are well known.  Jewish advocacy groups like the ADL or AIPAC are wide open, and obviously pro-Jewish(as they see it).  I see no attempt to conceal their nature. 

More importantly, Jews as a cultural-religious group may be anything from Nordic white to black African.  How can you possibly rationally insist on calling that a “race”?

“there was no Six Millions in Gas Chambers.”

Wow, all that research you allegedly did on the Holocaust and you never noticed that nobody claimed 6 million were gassed, ever.  Six million includes those killed by the Einsatzgruppen, those forcibly starved, worked to death, etc, and yes, gassed.

In total, the Holocaust also included an equal or greater number of non-Jews, but you’ll deny the suffering of your own “race” just to screw the Jews, won’t you?

“Half a million at most and not gassed. “

Proof?  Want to explain where all those Jews went then?

“No plans to exterminate and no orders related to that non-existant plan were ever found. “

Funny, there is nothing of the sort in regards to the “Ukrainian famine”, and in fact a lot of evidence of the government’s response(rationing, redirecting grain to famine areas, etc.), and yet you insist on believing that.

In fact there were orders for the Einsatzgruppen killings for example, and plenty of forensics evidence confirms the extermination including gassing.  The verdict of the Max Taubner trial confirms that this was Nazi German state policy as well.

“because you’re a communist who thinks the USSR was a great experiment and the soviets the good guys.”

I see, so when mainstream people call you insane, they’re being like the Communists, but anyone who subscribes to an ideology you don’t even understand is a lunatic.

“and guess where a lot of them end up. Protecting ukrainian women from organized crime would be antisemitic.”

Unlike you I actually took the time to research this and I have had contact with anti-trafficking organizations, so I can tell you where:  Germany, Netherlands, Israel, Turkey, Russia, Bosnia, Kosovo, England, Switzerland, Czech Republic, South Korea, Thailand, China, USA, Canada, UAE, Jordan, Egypt, Italy, etc. 

Gee, I wonder what country YOU will focus on!  If you think there aren’t LARGE numbers of non-Jewish Ukrainians and other Eastern Europeans involved in this business, you are very misinformed.

“Schatz did what all jews do when they uncover facts that others use to ascribe something negative to jews: they shoot at the Bad messenger. The truth doesn’t matter, what matters is the gentiles’ perception and the possible negative effects on jews. “

Actually if you had bothered to look up the debate I was referring to, Schatz proves Kevin MacDonald’s dishonesty irrefutably, simply by comparing passages from his book while showing the parts that MacDonald quotes.  By comparison, you can clearly see what MacDonald deliberately left out so as to make it seem like Jews controlled Communist Poland in favor of Jewish interests.

“On the other hand, Schatz seems to think that it is literally inconceivable that anti-Semitism could involve rational perceptions of self-interest (“that anti-Semitism is, or may ever be, rational”). This strikes me as pure mysticism. Would Schatz similarly suppose that negative Jewish attitudes toward their enemies (e.g., Nazis) are similarly always necessarily irrational? “

Jewish attitudes toward Nazis are with merit, based on past experience.  Can you logically say that Nazi attitudes toward Jews in the 20s, and 30s, were also rational? Not if you look at the historical facts; that Jews in fact did serve the Kaiser’s army in higher proportion(yeah, OVERREPRESENTATION), that they were not in fact the sole cause of the Communist movement, and nor were they behind the Russian revolution.

“funny how you accept the official story of the holocaust without skepticism but you deny the official story of the holodomor. OK. You claim to have studied the holodomor ‘myth’. Fine. Why don’t you now do the same for the holocaust? I suggest you start here:

http://www.geniebusters.org/915/04f_footnote.html”

Actually the official story of the “Holodmor” has changed so much over the years.  Death counts have radically been altered upwards in contradiction with known demographic statistics.  The cause has been altered as well.  A government-sponsered comic book in the 1950s entitled “The Godless Communists” claimed that Ukrainian peasants actually caused the famine by burning their crops in protest; this theme was actually trumpeted by some Ukrainian nationalists and emigres as well, as stupid as it is.  Later it became a story of excessive procurement.  Today folks like Conquest even admit that it wasn’t man-made, but then blame the Soviet state for not fully preventing it(while ignoring the massive measures they undertook to do so). 

Incidentily, I am very familiar with all the Holocaust denial canards, as I was once a personal associate of Friedrich Paul Berg, and you already are aware I was in the National Alliance for several years. 

“you know how many names they have at Yad Vashem? (hint: it isn’t Six Million.)”

Why would you expect them to be all there? Not all the names of those who died in the Vietnam War are on the memorial wall.  Not all the names of the Heroes of the Soviet Union appear on the rotunda in Kiev’s victory park, while some names on there don’t appear in other rolls.  What is the point?

“And how come Anne Frank wasn’t gassed while she was in Auschwitz and instead treated in an hospital where ze evil germans tried to save her life? That detail always bothered me.”

I’m sure it always bothered you before some revisionist pointed it out.  Anne Frank turned 15 just in time, that was the age at which she could work. 

“If there had been thousands of documents proving the holocaust happened Raul Hilberg could have handed them to Doug Christie in the Zundel trial. And he wouldn’t have to claim that the holocaust happened without a plan and without orders being carried to execute the plan.”

There are plenty of documents, several of which I cited. Most notably, what do you think when a train full of people arrive at a camp, and the camp population remains relatively the same.

“it constitutes an attempt to generate philosemitism on a large scale by pretending that millions of jews were dying. I consider that a good ploy to counter antisemitism. And we’re not talking about one guy but lots of them trying to make the world believe that the jews of Europe were dying and no one was lifting a finger to help them. At the time of World War I.”

Jews, along with many other people, were in danger of starvation and death back then.  White Guard units and Cossacks did persecute Jews.  What is your point? 

“Was it true? Was it false? It seems we can conclude it wasn’t true. But the truth doesn’t matter for jews, their minds don’t work that way.”

That they were in danger of dying?  Well it was certainly possible.  The quote you referred to does not claim that 6 million Jews died, only that they were in danger of dying.  That was certainly a possibility as it was for many people during that time.

“nobody said the nazis didn’t commit massacres against jews, thousands of them were killed *by bullets* at Riga but that the Six Million in gas chambers story is bogus. And absurd when you actually think about it. Just think how efficient the Katyn massacre was. A bullet in the head. Simple. Quick.”

Nobody claimed 6 million were killed in gas chambers. Never.  And if you admit that Nazis committed atrocities against Jews, wouldn’t that explain their reactions to Nazis? 

“oh wait, are you going to tell us that the soviets didn’t do Katyn? Well, all those polish traitors had it coming anyway “

For someone from your perspective you might as well call them traitors, fighting against your beloved Hitler.  The Nazis killed far more Poles than the Soviets ever did; look up Operation Tannenburg some time.