EUROPEAN DEMOCRACY

Posted by Slavyanski on September 26, 2007, 08:14 AM | #

I see some people are confused about what collectivization is.  This involved collectivizating hundreds of small plots into large state farms, which provided several other benefits hitherto unknown to Ukrainian and Russian peasants- education, technical training, medical care, and most importantly to agriculture, mechanization.  This was accomplished by the creation of Machine-Tractor-Stations(MTS). 

The term “Kulak” refers to rich peasants, particularly those that hired labor.  Capitalism had been left more or less intact during the NEP period, so this class still existed.  They exploited labor of the poorer peasants, who were not adequately cared for under NEP. In addition to this, they engaged in grain speculation. 

Confiscation was not simply taking grain- kulaks were expropriated, which means if they did not join collectives, the property was taken and distributed.  Those that refused this process were indeed deported.  And they should have been.  Refusal to sow, sell grain, to destroy crops- all of these things would inevitably lead to the starvation of the growing urban population. 

That is why your quote is worthless, you’re talking about 60,000-120,000 individuals in a population of somewhere around 25 million(IIRC).  Individuals who, seemed to think their private property was more important than millions of their countrymen having bread to eat.  Much of what was confiscated from the deported was distributed to poorer peasants who were more than happy to work the land once they had it, and had been given the means. 

The Soviet state, in response(albeit somewhat late due to the lack of information and disorganization in rural areas), instituted rationing, delivered more seed, tractors, trucks, and other materials to famine-affected areas, as is irrefutable based on documentary evidence.  In addition to this, procurement quotas were drastically lowered, exports cut, and often times confiscated grain was sometimes returned to collectives(and some collectives were de-collectivized where it was deemed more efficient for the time-being).  This is far more drastic a response to Russia’s historical agricultural/famine problems, than anything taken by the Imperial Government. 

Plus this is a pretty idiotic way to conduct a planned genocide.  Did the Nazis ever lead Jews into a gas chamber, only to moments later kick in the door, rush in with gas masks, and administer antropine to the victims? Of course not.  Yet anyone so foolish as to equate these events would have us believe that the Soviet government intended to wipe out these populations, while simultaneous making huge efforts to help those affected by the crisis, which included a major part of the population in the most important centers of the USSR.

If you want to see what a planned, man-made famine, intended for genocide looks like, take a look at Generalplan Ost. The Germans, having been defeated at Moscow and having lost the hope for a short end to the war in Russia, calculated that in order to carry on a protracted war, it would be necessary to achieve a state where the Wehrmacht could be entirely fed out of occupied Soviet territory.  The conclusion of the author of one of these reports clearly stated that the result would be- “starvation of upteen million people.” Ultimately the German plan for Lebensraum was estimated, by the Germans themselves, to kill up to 80 million people West of the Urals.  Ironically, almost all of them entirely European in descent.

Posted by VLC on October 10, 2007, 05:17 AM | #

JPSlovjanski:

Oh yeah, UKAR is a reliable source.  Lubomir is a nutcase, plain and simple.

the readers can check UKAR.org at Archive.org and judge for themselves how nutty and irrational Lubomyr Prytulak is compared to you

http://web.archive.org/web/20051123102140/ukar.org/index.html

JPSlovjanski:

You still haven’t figured it out yet:  Why is OVERREPRESENTATION, which would mean more members in relation to their percentage of the population, important at all? Many groups were overrepresented in Soviet leadership bodies, including Greater Russians. Why would you expect organizations involving so many people to have perfectly proportional representation?

I don’t expect them to be perfectly proportional but the high proportion of jews in the apparatus used to terrorize the subjects of the soviet state is understandable considering the antisemitism phenomenon in pre-soviet Russia.

“It is difficult to suggest a satisfactory reason for the prevalence of Jews in the Cheka. It may be that having suffered at the hand of the former Russian authorities they wanted to seize the reins of real power in the new state for themselves.” -Leonard Shapiro

acquiring power to defend themselves and be in a position to abuse or the peasants who used to sneer or spit at them, revenge for real or perceived wrongs. No need for jews to meet in dark alleys to plot, they know where their interests are and their interests were not in being powerless compared to other ethnic groups around them like they used to be in pre-soviet days.

JPSlovjanski:

Both are known as anti-Semitic.

LOL! it’s the dumbest ad-hominem argument ever. It would be like a commie telling an opponent that his source is wrong because the author is known to be a capitalist. Or a creationist telling an opponent that his source is wrong because the author is a big bad darwinist.

MacDonald says he started out his research admiring jews and finished it convinced that jews were bad. And the JTR website is filled with quotes and references from jewish authors.

Like I said, Neil Gabler can write a book about jews running Hollywood but a non-jew couldn’t write such a book and moreover wouldn’t be free to comment about the consequences of that jewish influence in the media / entertainment industry especially if he thinks it’s not a good thing. Same facts, different judgements and conclusions. One is OK, the other is bad. What’s the difference? jewish approval. only that

JPSlovjanski:

Kevin MacDonald in fact, used as one of his sources Wolf of the Kremlin, a false biography of Lazar Kaganovich.  As far as I know, he has not changed his tune after discovering it was a fabrication.

As far as I know there’s only one note refering to Kahan’s book in The Culture of Critique and it’s in the Preface so saying he used a false biography as a source is a bit of a stretch considering the lack of usage of said false biography, a few sentences out of a 400+ pages book. He doesn’t rely on that book to produce his arguments.

JPSlovjanski:

And what evidence is there of this? [that jews are ethnocentric]

I just told you, THe Culture of Critique and the Jewish Tribal Review website. all the evidence needed is there.

JPSlovjanski:

For one thing, Jewish nationalist or extremist groups are well known. Jewish advocacy groups like the ADL or AIPAC are wide open, and obviously pro-Jewish(as they see it). I see no attempt to conceal their nature.

first whatever the ADL does it’s treated with kids’ gloves by the media. Give a medal to a jewish mobster? steal police files by greasing a cop? no problem, you’ll still be called a “human rights group” and given instant credibility. 

second you don’t need to be a member of AIPAC or the ADL to be a jewish activist. Do you think the Weinstein brothers are card carrying ADL members?

Jewish Group Honors Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes

http://www.forward.com/articles/3673/

But a host of luminaries from the left as well as the right turned out to applaud, including Miramax Films founders Harvey and Bob Weinstein, who bought a full-page ad in the dinner journal, and former president Bill Clinton, who prepared a video greeting that saluted “red-state Roger” for his concern for “security for the State of Israel and peace in the Middle East.

JPSlovjanski:

More importantly, Jews as a cultural-religious group may be anything from Nordic white to black African. How can you possibly rationally insist on calling that a “race”?

the ashkenazis are a distinguishable group:

http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/346genetics.html

Those ethiopean jews are a tiny minority and they’re not well liked in Israel and those nordic looking ones are also a tiny minority.

JPSlovjanski:

Wow, all that research you allegedly did on the Holocaust and you never noticed that nobody claimed 6 million were gassed, ever. Six million includes those killed by the Einsatzgruppen, those forcibly starved, worked to death, etc, and yes, gassed.

that’s the popular version of what happened. Ask anyone on the street and that’s what they’ll tell you. If there’s such a difference between what the man on the street thinks happened and what really happened then there’s a lot of educating to do. For some reason the holohistorians focus on the gassings, which is the weakest part of their narrative. If they would focus on the mass shootings instead - some of which actually happened - they would have more credibility.

JPSlovjanski:

In total, the Holocaust also included an equal or greater number of non-Jews, but you’ll deny the suffering of your own “race” just to screw the Jews, won’t you?

you never hear anything about them besides the gypsies and sometimes the homosexuals. In our collective conscience Holocaust = Six Million jews. Holocaust =/= twelve million people. Does the holocaust museum in Washington gives an equal or greater attention to the non-jews killed ? Did Spielberg mention the six million goyim killed in the holocaust when he gave his speech at the Oscars show ?

JPSlovjanski:

Funny, there is nothing of the sort in regards to the “Ukrainian famine”, and in fact a lot of evidence of the government’s response(rationing, redirecting grain to famine areas, etc.), and yet you insist on believing that.

I should return that comment to you. Why do you insist on believing in the official version of the holocaust even though no plans and no orders were ever found if that’s a valid reason to have doubts about the holodomor?

JPSlovjanski:

In fact there were orders for the Einsatzgruppen killings for example, and plenty of forensics evidence confirms the extermination including gassing. The verdict of the Max Taubner trial confirms that this was Nazi German state policy as well.

holohistorians admit that there was no orders found originating from the HQ of the German government. If Himmler/the SS killed thousands of jews as they did in Latvia they didn’t do it because they had explicit orders from the government.

JPSlovjanski:

I see, so when mainstream people call you insane, they’re being like the Communists, but anyone who subscribes to an ideology you don’t even understand is a lunatic.

do I really need to ‘understand’ communism to conclude that the USSR was a monstruous experiment that should never have happened? If I “understood” was communism was all about I would see the USSR in a positive light is that it?

JPSlovjanski:

Gee, I wonder what country YOU will focus on!  If you think there aren’t LARGE numbers of non-Jewish Ukrainians and other Eastern Europeans involved in this business, you are very misinformed.

I focused on Israel because I read an article in a jewish paper whose sub-title was something about Israel having one of the worst record concerning sex slavery (especially because they didn’t have a law against it until a few years ago) but I don’t have a chart with numbers. I didn’t say all of the ended up in Israel but that a lot of them did. 

Wasn’t your original point that under soviet rule ukrainian women weren’t lured in foreign countries and trapped in prostitution? I think I could say the same about any slavic country under german occupation. Mussolini broke the back of the sicilian mafia during his reign - is that a argument in favor of fascism?

JPSlovjanski:

Jewish attitudes toward Nazis are with merit, based on past experience. Can you logically say that Nazi attitudes toward Jews in the 20s, and 30s, were also rational? Not if you look at the historical facts; that Jews in fact did serve the Kaiser’s army in higher proportion (yeah, OVERREPRESENTATION), that they were not in fact the sole cause of the Communist movement, and nor were they behind the Russian revolution.

a source for your assertion that jews were overrepresented in WW1 ? never heard of that one.

jews were heavily involved in the communist movement. ask for example the hungarians if jews had nothing to do with communism

http://jewishtribalreview.org/commun.htm

what the nazis did was a systematic containment. All european countries throughout history have either contained the jews or expulsed them. And you just don’t get kicked of all the bars in a town for no reason. If everybody you meet calls you an asshole, chances are you really are an asshole. And the original nazi plan for the “final solution” was to ship them all to Madagascar or somewhere else outside of Europe. If they had succeeded Israel today wouldn’t be a threat to anyone.

JPSlovjanski:

Actually the official story of the “Holodmor” has changed so much over the years.

funny you mention that, you must know that the inscription at Auschwitz was changed too, 4 mil to 1 mil

I’m not holding tight to the holodomor as THE proof that communism was an abomination, there are plenty of other facts for any rational man to conclude that. Unlike you I’m ready to admit that I might be wrong. Maybe six million ukrainians didn’t die or that it wasn’t deliberate. Maybe the deniers are right. I would have to take the time to study this event in detail - but I just don’t have that time.

JPSlovjanski:

Why would you expect them to be all there? [in Yad Vashem]

because they searched for all the names using everything they could find and at the end the result was 3 million - and there’s even people listed who are alive. Isn’t 50 years enough?

JPSlovjanski:

Jews, along with many other people, were in danger of starvation and death back then.  White Guard units and Cossacks did persecute Jews.  What is your point?

that the Six Million jews starving story wasn’t true in 1919 but that didn’t stop them from recycling it 20 years later with the help of death camp pictures and a political tribunal at the end of the war. it still wasn’t true

JPSlovjanski:

That they were in danger of dying?  Well it was certainly possible. The quote you referred to does not claim that 6 million Jews died, only that they were in danger of dying. That was certainly a possibility as it was for many people during that time.

but they didn’t die even though as far as I know there was no large scale operation to save those starving jews. The Six Million starving jews story was used by jews to generate sympathy for jews among the american population. It was used much more effectively 20 years later because they had an horrific imagery to attach to it

JPSlovjanski:

Nobody claimed 6 million were killed in gas chambers. Never. And if you admit that Nazis committed atrocities against Jews, wouldn’t that explain their reactions to Nazis?

yet somebody did claimed 4 million were killed in Auschwitz mainly in those gas chambers. That number was revised down to 1 million as you know.

and if nazi behavior towards jews explained their hostility to nazism (obviously) than the same process also explains why jews saw communism in a positive light since russian authorities were antisemitic and why so many of them joined the Cheka/NKVD to gain power over the russians who were historically hostile to them, as Shapiro said.

Posted by Slavyanski on October 10, 2007, 10:36 AM | #

“the readers can check UKAR.org at Archive.org and judge for themselves how nutty and irrational Lubomyr Prytulak is compared to you

http://web.archive.org/web/20051123102140/ukar.org/index.html”

How about they check the work of Mark Tauger, with degrees in Soviet/agricultural history, who actually did archival research on the famine.

“I don’t expect them to be perfectly proportional but the high proportion of jews in the apparatus used to terrorize the subjects of the soviet state is understandable considering the antisemitism phenomenon in pre-soviet Russia.”

That’s not the point. Why should the presense of Jews be more important than the presense of say- Latvians, who were the most overrepresented?

“acquiring power to defend themselves and be in a position to abuse or the peasants who used to sneer or spit at them, revenge for real or perceived wrongs. No need for jews to meet in dark alleys to plot, they know where their interests are and their interests were not in being powerless compared to other ethnic groups around them like they used to be in pre-soviet days.”

So now you are reading people’s minds?  Did you forget that many people in the secret police turned out to be traitors who had to be purged in the 30s? 

Most importantly, you forget that the majority of Jews supported the opposition to the Bolsheviks.

“LOL! it’s the dumbest ad-hominem argument ever. It would be like a commie telling an opponent that his source is wrong because the author is known to be a capitalist. Or a creationist telling an opponent that his source is wrong because the author is a big bad darwinist.”

Not quite. Anti-Semites are known for conspiratorial, irrational thinking.

“MacDonald says he started out his research admiring jews and finished it convinced that jews were bad. And the JTR website is filled with quotes and references from jewish authors.”

Yeah I guess if I relied on some anti-semitic forgeries like Wolf of the Kremlin, I might f#$k up sometimes too.

“Like I said, Neil Gabler can write a book about jews running Hollywood but a non-jew couldn’t write such a book and moreover wouldn’t be free to comment about the consequences of that jewish influence in the media / entertainment industry especially if he thinks it’s not a good thing. Same facts, different judgements and conclusions. One is OK, the other is bad. What’s the difference? jewish approval. only that”

Fine, Jews “run” Hollywood.  But Hollywood is a business.  What do you think is more important to them?  Making billions of dollars or being “Jewish” and destroying your white race. They put out what they think people want.

“As far as I know there’s only one note refering to Kahan’s book in The Culture of Critique and it’s in the Preface so saying he used a false biography as a source is a bit of a stretch considering the lack of usage of said false biography, a few sentences out of a 400+ pages book. He doesn’t rely on that book to produce his arguments.”

That’s not all, look at the Schatz debate; he cut passages in Schatz’s book about Jews in Poland to make it look as though Jews were favored.  If I can get a copy of the book I will confirm if he used anything from Eustace Mullins as well.

“I just told you, THe Culture of Critique and the Jewish Tribal Review website. all the evidence needed is there.”

The problem is their illogical thinking- the idea that Jews are collectively responsible for their individual actions, the idea that their actions have something to do with their “Jewishness”, etc.  Plus obvious bias.

“first whatever the ADL does it’s treated with kids’ gloves by the media. Give a medal to a jewish mobster? steal police files by greasing a cop? no problem, you’ll still be called a “human rights group” and given instant credibility. “

I’m not going to defend the ADL; but they have good PR.

“second you don’t need to be a member of AIPAC or the ADL to be a jewish activist. Do you think the Weinstein brothers are card carrying ADL members?”

Does it matter?

“Jewish Group Honors Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes

http://www.forward.com/articles/3673/”

Lots of white people love Fox news; why aren’t they held responsible?  Why isn’t Roger Ailes for that matter?

“But a host of luminaries from the left as well as the right turned out to applaud, including Miramax Films founders Harvey and Bob Weinstein, who bought a full-page ad in the dinner journal, and former president Bill Clinton, who prepared a video greeting that saluted “red-state Roger” for his concern for “security for the State of Israel and peace in the Middle East.”

So this proves?  What?

“the ashkenazis are a distinguishable group:

http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/346genetics.html”

Distinguished from whom exactly?  Because they share the blood of other local groups in that area?

“Those ethiopean jews are a tiny minority and they’re not well liked in Israel and those nordic looking ones are also a tiny minority.”

So what; the point is that there is racism in Israel, and in fact there is also discrimination against new immigrants from Russia and Eastern Europe, despite the fact that they are Jewish.  A Jew from Germany is not a Jew from Russia, ditto for England or America.

“that’s the popular version of what happened. Ask anyone on the street and that’s what they’ll tell you.”

It doesn’t matter, it’s wrong.  Ask a lot of people on the street to tell you the name of an American revolutionary war general and they probably won’t answer anything. 

“ If there’s such a difference between what the man on the street thinks happened and what really happened then there’s a lot of educating to do.”

Yeah there is a LOT of educating to do- about EVERYTHING.  But then again people like you always bitch about Holocaust education.  Maybe you should change that; demand MORE Holocaust education.

“ For some reason the holohistorians focus on the gassings, which is the weakest part of their narrative. If they would focus on the mass shootings instead - some of which actually happened - they would have more credibility.”

How is gassing the weakest part?  There is the intact gas chamber at Majdanek, with Prussian blue staining.  The ruins of the Birkenau Kremas have traces of cyanide.  The basement where gas was tested on the Russian POWs shows cyanide residue. 

And you admit the shootings then?

“you never hear anything about them besides the gypsies and sometimes the homosexuals.”

Really?  Why don’t you go to the US Holocaust museum and see about that?  Why don’t you go to Babi Yar and read the memorial there? 

“ In our collective conscience Holocaust = Six Million jews. Holocaust =/= twelve million people. Does the holocaust museum in Washington gives an equal or greater attention to the non-jews killed ?”

Why don’t you CHECK?

“ Did Spielberg mention the six million goyim killed in the holocaust when he gave his speech at the Oscars show ?”

When exactly?

“I should return that comment to you. Why do you insist on believing in the official version of the holocaust even though no plans and no orders were ever found if that’s a valid reason to have doubts about the holodomor?”

Orders were found, for the Einsatzgruppen.  Plus there were the bichoff memos, which used terms like “vergasungkeller” and so on- but you wouldn’t know anything about that would you?

“holohistorians admit that there was no orders found originating from the HQ of the German government. If Himmler/the SS killed thousands of jews as they did in Latvia they didn’t do it because they had explicit orders from the government.”

What does that matter really?  Why would you admit to mass killing of Jews and pretend that there was no order?  You never even looked up the Max Tauber verdict did you?  Have you ever heard of the Posen speech by Himmler?

“do I really need to ‘understand’ communism to conclude that the USSR was a monstruous experiment that should never have happened? If I “understood” was communism was all about I would see the USSR in a positive light is that it?”

Well see the problem is that your premise there(that it was monsterous) is based on false claims. 

“I focused on Israel because I read an article in a jewish paper whose sub-title was something about Israel having one of the worst record concerning sex slavery (especially because they didn’t have a law against it until a few years ago) but I don’t have a chart with numbers. I didn’t say all of the ended up in Israel but that a lot of them did. “

No, you focus on Israel because you are an irrational anti-Semite that needs to explain the world in a comic-book fantasy with villains and heroes, and you can’t believe “your people” would engage in such behaviour.  Yes, Israel had a bad record for sex trafficking- but thanks to the ongoing efforts of organizations there, the problem is not only exposed but they have dealt a serious blow to the sex trafficking industry(brothels were closed down, forcing the pimps underground).  And they are planning to do even more:  Look up the Task Force on Human Trafficking for example. 
Also the group I used to associate with has links to a Russian Jewish women’s organization which has hit the streets to flyer and protest information to prevent human trafficking.

What has your ‘White Nationalist’ movement done to help the problem?

“Wasn’t your original point that under soviet rule ukrainian women weren’t lured in foreign countries and trapped in prostitution? I think I could say the same about any slavic country under german occupation. Mussolini broke the back of the sicilian mafia during his reign - is that a argument in favor of fascism?”

They brought their nations to ruin, and then women were forced by poverty to prostitute themselves. Hitler also imported hundreds of thousands of Slavs as slave laborers. 

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“a source for your assertion that jews were overrepresented in WW1 ? never heard of that one.”

Of course you never heard that- because you don’t check. 

“jews were heavily involved in the communist movement. ask for example the hungarians if jews had nothing to do with communism”

Again, you say “heavily involved” yet every time one looks at real numbers, they have always been a small minority.

“http://jewishtribalreview.org/commun.htm”

Jewish tribal review is not a reliable source.  But if you look into the history of many of these nations, you’ll see why Jews supported the Communists.

“what the nazis did was a systematic containment. All european countries throughout history have either contained the jews or expulsed them. And you just don’t get kicked of all the bars in a town for no reason. If everybody you meet calls you an asshole, chances are you really are an asshole. And the original nazi plan for the “final solution” was to ship them all to Madagascar or somewhere else outside of Europe. If they had succeeded Israel today wouldn’t be a threat to anyone.”

Who cares about the “original plan”?  What happened happened, get over it. 

“funny you mention that, you must know that the inscription at Auschwitz was changed too, 4 mil to 1 mil”

Proof of your poor research skills.  Remember when you were saying that they never mention the NON-JEWS that died in the Holocaust?  The 4 million sign referred to 4 million “PEOPLE” , not Jews.  The sign was based on a miscalculation by the Poles, who meant it to be a monument to the victims of Fascism, and was never accepted in the West.  When the Polish regime changed, the sign was changed to reflect the accurate number. 

“I’m not holding tight to the holodomor as THE proof that communism was an abomination, there are plenty of other facts for any rational man to conclude that. Unlike you I’m ready to admit that I might be wrong. Maybe six million ukrainians didn’t die or that it wasn’t deliberate. Maybe the deniers are right. I would have to take the time to study this event in detail - but I just don’t have that time.”

Yeah, but you have plenty of time for Jewish Tribal Review it seems. 

“because they searched for all the names using everything they could find and at the end the result was 3 million - and there’s even people listed who are alive. Isn’t 50 years enough?”

Who told you that?  I guess you really don’t have enough time. If they found them, do you have all the time to verify those names?

“that the Six Million jews starving story wasn’t true in 1919 but that didn’t stop them from recycling it 20 years later with the help of death camp pictures and a political tribunal at the end of the war. it still wasn’t true”

Nobody said 6 million Jews starved.  One man said 6 million Jews were in danger of dying.  This was unlikely but physically possible. 

Look at the idiocy of what you are alleging here:

1. The first attempt at a hoax is one guy saying something in a newspaper.

2. Attempt number two yields thousands of eyewitnesses telling consistent stories(Germans too), cyanide residue, thousands of documents, demographic records, etc.

Those guys learn quick don’t they?

“but they didn’t die even though as far as I know there was no large scale operation to save those starving jews. The Six Million starving jews story was used by jews to generate sympathy for jews among the american population. It was used much more effectively 20 years later because they had an horrific imagery to attach to it”

First of all, it wasn’t used by “The Jews”, it was a speech by one guy.  He never said they died.  You didn’t even read the speech.

“yet somebody did claimed 4 million were killed in Auschwitz mainly in those gas chambers. That number was revised down to 1 million as you know.”

Already explained- even the 4 million sign never said those “PEOPLE” died in gas chambers.

“and if nazi behavior towards jews explained their hostility to nazism (obviously)”

Sorry but the Nazis were hostile to Jews first.

“than the same process also explains why jews saw communism in a positive light since russian authorities were antisemitic and why so many of them joined the Cheka/NKVD to gain power over the russians who were historically hostile to them, as Shapiro said. “

Yes… you’re starting to get it.

Posted by VLC on October 12, 2007, 04:19 PM | #

Slovjanski:
“Fine, Jews “run” Hollywood.  But Hollywood is a business.  What do you think is more important to them?  Making billions of dollars or being “Jewish” and destroying your white race. They put out what they think people want.”

Where was capitalism when Hollywood needed it ? they refused to touch Gibson’s Jesus Christ movie and it made 400+ millions in the US alone. I thought their #1 goal was to make profits.

Slovjanski:
“Lots of white people love Fox news; why aren’t they held responsible?  Why isn’t Roger Ailes for that matter?” “So this proves? What?”

comrade, my point was that the Weinstein brothers need not to be members of any jewish groups to be involved in jewish causes. Jewish groups are products of jewish activism, not the other way around. And the fact that the ‘leftwing’ Democrat Bill Clinton goes at a jewish fundraising event to congratulate the ‘rightwing’ Roger Ailes whose TV network serves as a propaganda bureau for the so-called political opponents of Clinton tells us a lot about american politics. Enemies in front of the camera for the goyim watching the TV, allies at a pro-Israel event.

Posted by VLC on October 12, 2007, 04:21 PM | #

Slovjanski:
“Why would you admit to mass killing of Jews and pretend that there was no order?”

because no mass killing orders from the nazi HQ was ever found. You presume Himmler’s actions were all ordered by Hitler.

Slovjanski:
“No, you focus on Israel because you are an irrational anti-Semite...”

I also focus on Israel because what is commonly referred to as the “russian mafia” is essentially the jewish mafia from Russia and Ukraine.

Slovjanski:
“Of course you never heard that- because you don’t check. “

but Slavy, if you have done so much checking, then why didn’t you give me a source? If you don’t remember it’s OK, I forgot things too from time to time but my request was simple.

Slovjanski:
“Who told you that?”

arch-leftist and feminist Simone Weil was on that list until they realized she was very much alive. I read other alive french jews were listed at Yad Vashem

Slovjanski:
”One man said 6 million Jews were in danger of dying.”

no it wasn’t one man, plenty of others did because the story circulated in other newspapers:

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/tfh/3.html

^ this was the link I posted