Evidence that Godless Capitalist is Lower Caste

James,

Anybody who still can’t see that gc’s a hypocritical ethnic-nepotist of the first water is blind or Indian.  I don’t think even Arcane, who imagines Nazis everywhere, is fooled nowadays.

It is a badge of honour to be IP-banned from hypocrisy-laden sites such as GNXP and Samizdata.  My compliments.

I rather like GNXP, from a first inspection.  Very sound on genetic engineering, and the possibility of improving by science the slobs around us.

I agree with the majority view on this site, but not everything revolves around race.

James- I just visited GNXP,and discovered the most fragile ego Í’ve seen on ANY blog-to wit-gc! He definately needs to start medication[Ritalin/Prozac].Strange how personal theories and concepts can become a mantra for the 80 th percentile.Get a couple of blinds,and zing him once in a while.Congatulations[altho it dosen’t appear to take much to set him off] Cheers!

I agree with the majority view on this site, but not everything revolves around race.

Quite true,but acknowledgement of race is necessary for continued existance of ones’own kind.Do the Chinese,Jajanese,or for that matter,the Abos have a desire to “diversify/assimilate"with other sub-species? NOT UNLESS FORCED.!

I didn’t read the debate.  I know from experience that the discussions there involve admin skullduggery and so don’t trust them.

I also know from experience that GC is wacko.  Seriously, he’s not altogether there.  He wrote me an email once describing his delusions about my genocidal plans, my totalitarian dreams, etc.; it was an amazing piece of work.

I agree with the majority view on this site, but not everything revolves around race.

That’s about as fair as me telling you I agree with conservatism, but water’s usually wet, not dry.  The whole western world ignores race (when it isn’t lying about it), but we’re supposed to be moderate about it?  There’s something very disingenuous about that to me.

James, for what it is worth, Razib described GC as a “Tamil Brahmin” on the Dienekes blog.  Whether that is true or not, I do not know.  Have you considered the possbility - which has been broached here before - that the influence of South Asians on autism may be due to a factor other than intestinal parasites?  That is, something else about South Asians are causing this?  For example, the race recognition software of the amygdala being negatively influenced during childhood development through exposure to South Asian racial types? 

Note as well, that Razib has been mocking Finns and Finnish behavior all spring at GNXP; you should scroll through the posts of the last several months.

The post about Jan Michael Vincent is particularly instructive in this regard.

Have you considered the possbility - which has been broached here before - that the influence of South Asians on autism may be due to a factor other than intestinal parasites?  That is, something else about South Asians are causing this?  For example, the race recognition software of the amygdala being negatively influenced during childhood development through exposure to South Asian racial types?

Not as much as I probably should have given the recent research showing amygdala activation responding to visual stimulation with facial phenotypes varying by race.  I have, however, considered the possibility that there are mind viruses or memes that might be responsible for subverting the function of the amygdala resulting in parasitic castrating disorders such as autism appears to be. 

Here’s what I wrote about the general topic in the GOD Hypothesis:

EMOTIVE MEMES AS HUMAN PHEROMONES

As discussed above, it is plausible that territorial competition between males has resulted in a variety of mechanisms for manipulating the amygdalae of rivals via extended phenotypics. The amygdala is a key structure in the processes of smell. One of the more plausible neurochemical routes for such genetic omnidominant expression would be the emission of olfactory signals. Pheromones are among the more evolutionarily sophisticated mechanisms by which such extended phenotypic manipulation might occur. In humans, smell has been shown to play some role in sexual attractiveness, with some studies indicating a feminine ability to discriminate between MHC genotypes with consequences for sexual attractiveness. It is natural to presume, therefore, that pheromones play a similar role in humans. However, Jacobson’s organ, and the associated structures for the neurochemical pathways involving pheromones are, in humans, atrophied compared to their counterparts in other animals. This leads one to suspect that a new mechanism has arisen with humans that largely displaces the role played by pheromones in other animals. A clue as to what this new mechanism might be can be found in the other, primary, function of the amygdala—and that is in the storage of emotive memory. In human evolution, memes—replicators that rely on human memory as their raw material—are transmitted between humans with sophistication that rivals and indeed, in many areas, easily surpasses the sophistication of pheromones. Furthermore, such enormous reliance on memes for intraspecific communication seems as unique to humans as is the vestigial nature of structures for pheromones. It is plausible, therefore, that with the development of neurochemical pathways for memes—particularly memes associated with intense emotions—humans lost many of the evolutionary pressures that maintain the pheromone-specific neurochemical pathways in other animals.

Spatial structure in populations has been shown by Oliphant (Oliphant, M. (1994). Evolving cooperation in the non-iterated prisoner’s dilemma: The importance of spatial organization. In Brooks, R. and Maes, P. (Eds.) Proceedings of the fourth artificial life workshop, pp. 349-352 MIT Press: Cambridge, MA.) to be sufficient to evolve memetic capability in kin-based societies. However, in non-kin environments, such as those predicted by the genetic omnidominance hypothesis to produce intraspecific parasitic castration, one should expect to find Saussurean communication progressively degenerating as evolutionary pressure drives the expression of increasingly sophisticated means of transmitting emotive memes that take up residence as emotive memories in the amygdala of rivals thereby reducing their reproductive competence.

Anyway, this theory about Indian intestinal flora causing autism is fascinating.  What evidence is there of intestinal flora causing autism?  Do you have a page somewhere that summarizes your evidence?

Godless Capitalist linked to an older version of it in the text I copied above but the link got screwed up.  A more up to date version is at:

http://laboratoryofthestates.com/imbamcoa.html

Although I haven’t outlined all the evidence for thinking that intestinal flora, per se, are the cause.  My main reason for positing that specific subhypothesis out of the more general class of hypotheses (presented in The Genetic Omnidominance Hypothesis:  The Amygdala and Parasitic Castration) is due to the fact that there is something specific that is low cost that people can do to reduce their risk:  Simply avoid Indian restaurants if you a) have any suspected Finnish ancestry and b) are attempting to have children or raise infants.

I had the impression that GC was Jewish

You have spoilt my fun, Svy.  I was hoping to evoke further frothing at the mouth by the Beckster and his ilk

GC is *not* Jewish, nor Chinese.  He is an American-born South Asian of Indian descent.  That is definite and is openly admitted in the past at GNXP.

You can always ask Derbyshire if you still doubt it.

James, if the amygdala hypothesis is correct, then one should eschew contact with all South Asians (including the American-born), or, at least, prevent contact between South Asians and white children (particularly of Finnish or similar descent).

Avoiding Indian eateries is certainly a good idea, but probably does not go far enough. For white families, particularly of certain ancestries and with male children, social ostracism of South Asians, in general, may be the most prudent course of action.

If South Asians deem this “unfair”, then they should support open research into your findings, so that we can determine with more accuracy the cause of the observed correlation.

Preventing such research leaves us with the cautious approach outlined above.

I must agree with President Shrub here. I don’t see what Godless Capitalist has done wrong; he was correct in stating you are leaping to conclusions with your GOD hypothesis by having a theory before hand, i.e. those foul Indians are causing trouble, and then finding ‘evidence’ to prove it in an unscientific manner.

It is very interesting that autism is more frequent among those of Finnish ancestry, and it is also very interesting that the amygdala is affected in autism. But other than that, your paper is without scientific merit.

For instance, you state that testosterone levels can be greatly affected by environment and emotions. That is very true: the hypothalamus excretes luteinizing hormone which in turn stimulates testosterone production in the nuts, and the hypothalamus can be affected by emotions. What you are suggesting is that competition from non-whites is stressing out whites, causing them to have lower testosterone, and also somehow causing more autistic whites to be born. Wtf?!

Has it not occured to you that there are many things other than non-white competition that cause people, in this case white males, to get stressed out? Surely competition in general, or indeed other factors like working hours or workload, may contribute to stress. Claiming that amygdala shrinkage, supposedly due to evil Indians taking up The White Man’s computing jobs in Silicon Valley, and TWM memorizing their faces and being contaminated by their stomach bacteria all leads to autism is harebrained, to put it bluntly.

The jury is very much out on the causes of autism. You seemed to have ignored other possible causes, such as medicines, vacines, foods, pollutants etc. There is also a hereditary component in alot of cases, especially with mild autism (e.g. Asperger’s). If you mention certain types of faces and the recognition of such faces causing autism in males, perhaps it could extend to inorganic objects, such as cars, buildings, TVs etc. etc.?

I don’t think GC is banning you because he’s trying to supress the horrible Indian autism conspiracy, I think he’s banning you because you’ve expressed an overt political agenda, which from what I’ve seen is against the rules. If you were expressing a Marxist blank slate agenda, you would most likely be banned as well, seeing as GC gets pissed off at such people, and rightly so.

None of this has proven what caste he is either. Hey, even if lower castes in India DID have some bug that causes autism, what makes you think it’s spread out across the entire subcontinent?

If anyone here is dealing out logical fallacies, it’s you, in your post addressing Pres. Shrub. I get it, he got 0 views, and you got 400-something views, .’. your opinions are better. Argumentum ad populum much?

Acute skullfuckery of the scientific method aside, your picure on your site suggest you happen(ed) to sport very metally hair, which is cool.

Yarus, I may be prejudiced in that I take James’ side in his ‘conflict’ with GC, but I believe you are being too quick to disregard the suggestive evidence.

Let’s look at the amygdala argument, that James mentioned on his website, and which was also mentioned on this blog some time ago.  It may be coincidence, but the amygdala is involved with both race recognition and autism.  I believe that the argument made here before was - and if I am misquoting it please correct me - that the amygdala of developing (white, especially Finnish) children is capable of efficiently distinguishing among the major racial groups - Whites,Blacks, and Yellows, but has trouble in dealing with groups like South Asians.  For most children, this would have no effect, but there may be a particularly susceptible sub-population which, after repeated exposure to South Asians, may exhibit a amygdala-related “neurological shock”, inducing autism.

That is a hypothsis, as is James’ idea of intestinal flora.  By all means, let us test these ideas; no one claims they are definite.  *The problem* is when the correlation is rejected out of hand, with a refusal to even contemplate examining possible mechanisms.

You also seem to imply that GNXP are all open-minded folks who only ban in extreme cases.  Or, that is what their recent “4 year anniversary self-love fest” would have you believe.

In point of fact, this blog was founded to a large extent because of GNXP’s tendency to ban/delete those they disagree with. 

Everyone can do what they please on their own blog, but, for example, when GNXP attacks WN, and then bans WNs from replying, deleting the comments, then that is not a forum for open debate.

And, if you do not think that GNXP has a political agenda as well, you are very naive my friend.

Without ever having visited the site Gene Expression, nor having heard of the creature known as Godless Capitalist, I found that the title of this article, “Evidence that Godless Capitalist is Lower Caste”, contained an unintentional, universal truism, namely that, yes, the godless capitalist is a lower caste.  The Godless nationalist on the otherhand…

GNXP sucks,

I can accept that facial recognition and it’s relationship with autism should be looked into, even if it seems extremely unlikely to be of any significance. It’s just that India is a huge continent, with huge biodiversity among the populace. Some Indians look like dark Mediterraneans, some with almost black skin, some with long thin noses, snub noses, thick and thin lips etc. etc. What specific population of India is James concerned about, and what is it about their face that is harmful for a young infants brain?

Come to think of it, I don’t see how facial recognition has anything to do with amygdala malfunction; the fusiform gyrus is the part of the brain that deals with facial recognition.

If you’re going to make a scientific hypothesis, you’re going to have to involve more skepticism and way more material from neuroscienctific papers, especially about autism and endocrinology. Infact, research on white families living in the subcontinent would be very handy indeed.

James states that the reason he’s made this Indian/Autism theory is because if it were true and people weren’t doing anything about it, the problem could get out of hand. I ask: how can you be sure? Surely we should concentrate on investigating other more likely culprits, such as toxins and heavy metal (I don’t mean the good musical kind) pollutants, which have been proven to affect the brain?

If you were going to research the affect of people’s faces on causing autism, you shouldn’t immediately say it’s the fault Indian people. I would suggest using Finnish children and show them pictures of people of various ethnicities, including Indian, while employing fMRI to scan brain activity, and see abnormalities in activity occurs when the kid looks at some Indian dude’s noggin. If you are scared of them becoming autistic, perhaps oldish children should be used. Until then, you aren’t going to get any scientific backing at all by saying “Indians!! Jews!!! Feminism!! Gays!!” in that paper of yours. It just reeks of Awful Link Of The Day material to be linked to SomethingAwful.com.

I really don’t see why everyone hates GNXP. I’m guessing it’s mostly because they don’t like white nationalists, but you do realise they hate [insert race/ethnicity]-nationalists of any sort and blank slaters/race deniers? I thought GNXP specifically stated that it’s a science forum, not a politics forum. If James said something like “perhaps intestinal flora can cause autism, and perhaps we should investigate if it occurs more in some groups than others?” or “maybe facial recognition at an early age could lead to brain malformation, thus leading to autism? It could be from TV, people, magazines etc.” then that would be acceptable, and I guess fellow GNXPers might even look over the same statistics as James has.

It’s obviously going to be offensive to GC if you outright claim that Indians are to blame for autism, and that they’re carriers of infectious gut germs. I would be offended if, for example, Italians claimed those of Irish/English descent were to blame for people of Italians getting skin cancer more than usual, and thus should be prevented from associating with people in Italy. I would become more angry once I found out that the Italian making these claims was inspired by English/Irish types stealing The Italian Man’s computing jobs and thusly tried to find suitable correllations supposedly proving a skin cancer causing Irish/English population. If you haven’t guessed yet, I’m Irish/English…

What kind of political agenda do you suppose GNXP is pushing?

Jim,

“Data mining” used to mean “data dredging”, which is what you are doing by creating a hypothesis from merely observing data. I don’t see how mistaking one word for another, especially if a) they are very similar and b) one used to mean the other not too long ago, means one is greatly stupid or ignorant.

Perhaps I took too great a pain trying to show how crackpot your paper was? Maybe that proves that you are unintelligent? Not really. An IQ test would do fine.

Just because someone makes an easy terminological mistake doesn’t mean they’re unintelligent, nor does it mean you should write an article about it…

GNXP stinks, I think it is worse than that.

Read the GNXP retrospective where they say:

That this niche was so empty is an indictment of the intellectual landscape of the time: the “realists” were the racists and they were not moderate, and the “moderates” were the antiracists, and they were not realist.

The “affirmative action” at work here is actually pretty obvious: “Moderation” is no virtue when the truth is at stake—only realism is.  There has been a long history going back to the 19th century of taking realists and attacking them via vicious slander and libel targeted at people identified as white.  The most disgusting abuse of this suppressing fire was the resurgence of human sociobiology under the moniker of “evolutionary psychology” by the Jews Tooby and Cosmides who, by virtue of their ethnicity, were allowed to operate without too much libel as they redefined the field devoid of genetic diversity and ‘g’.  To some extent the criticism applies to Hernstein.  Then you had triangulators like Rushton (using Asian ‘superiority’ as his shield) who opened up the ground for later triangulators like Sailer (triangulation is basically strategically looking at where the conflict is and putting yourself in the middle so you can appear moderate—then moving in the direction of realism when it is safe to do so but never really coping to the fact that you let someone else take the bullets for you).  Then of course you finally have guys like Razib and GC who get to pull things off because they have brown skin—a de facto form of affirmative action—and they get to say that those people who were slandered and libeled viciously before them were actually guilty of the accusations while they, on the other hand, are “cognitive elitists”.  The whole thing leads to a heirarchy of politicial bullshit with the bodies of heroes littering the landscape.

I really don’t see why everyone hates GNXP.

I don’t hate GNXP.  I call them liars.  There is a difference, you know.  I’d like to like Razib and GC, but their being liars precludes that.

I’m guessing it’s mostly because they don’t like white nationalists, but you do realise they hate [insert race/ethnicity]-nationalists of any sort and blank slaters/race deniers?

How is that supposed to mitigate anything?

I thought GNXP specifically stated that it’s a science forum, not a politics forum.

That’s an irrelevant excuse.  As has been stated, the paradigm goes like this:

GNXP attacks WN, and then bans WNs from replying, deleting the comments, then that is not a forum for open debate.

You can substitute many different statements for “GNXP attacks WN” here.  Many times the offending statement was some totally absurd statement about jews, sometimes it was a straw man attack on WNs by a commenter, etc.

If the goal is to keep certain discussions off your blog, fine, but that’s not GNXP’s goal vis-a-vis WNism; GNXP’s goal vis-a-vis WNism is to keep one half of the discussion off their blog.

Even that is acceptable, but then comes the inevitable attitude of self-identified fair-mindedness, or allusions to same, and that’s where I draw the line.  That’s a lie.

If you’re not a radical leftist, surely you can understand the distinction between calling someone a liar, and hating him?  They are most definitely both liars.

*Proffered*

Tooby & Cosmides are Jewish?  I thought they were just cowards.

No, J B has done a great job in his field and produced some very informative posts based on his own research materials available to him. Click on James’s name title (Authors) and read more of his posts.
Perhaps I could have been more specific, although you may already have a good operational scientific ethical constitution, and not make inferences based on assumptions and speculate about findings because it makes you popular amongst the Looters and witch doctors, heavens forbid if you ever cross that line, some might even get the sack, and discredited; Worst still, you may have to get a real job , with real knowledge and ethics- even burn a few eyebrows and a bit of dirt under the finger nails; yes I know, we are a dieing race, but don’t bare any guilt because of it.

You have to be kidding. Of course whites aren’t a dying race. Birth rates overall amongst those usually thought of as white are still positive.

Please clarify and how you came to this conclusion in view of this data.

As to Godless Capitalist, whether JB’s assertion is correct or not is irrelevant to the fact that GC is vociferously against white racialism.  He is aware what racial awareness entails for people of his ilk and argues against it based on BAD faith.  As Svigor above aptly states, he and Razib are simply brown liars.  That is the gist of it.

First Yarus admits that GNXP is anti- racial nationalist, and then he questions what their political agenda is!  LOL!  And their opposition to “all” racial nationalism (strangely absent when some Asian guy started running down whites a few years ago in the comments section) can be viewed as a strategic decision – as minorities, the founders of GNXP have an interest to delegitimize WN.  To convince whites of the illegitimacy of racial nationalism, they cannot up and say “hey, for us, racial nationalism is OK.” That would trigger ethnocentric responses in some whites.  The aim of GNXP is to lull whites to sleep, and reinforce non-ethnocentric behavior in whites, a wise strategy for desis.

GNXP as non-political?  Hardly:

http://www.vdare.com/letters/tl_080104.htm
“Godless Capitalist” is an intellectually incandescent and politically juvenile young Indian who sometimes diverges from making interesting scientific postings on the remarkable human bio-diversity blog Gene Expression to his second task: acting as Political Commissar to make sure America is kept safe for high-IQ recent non-white Immigrants.  In this capacity he has posted a characteristically venomous discussion of Drew Fraser’s recent VDARE piece.”

Oleg from the Diekenes blog:
“Perhaps, though he hasn’t banned me yet. In any case I wouldn’t expect that you’ll sell Godless on white nationalism anytime soon. I just argue with him for fun and because it’s a good exercise, really. The bottom line is that whites don’t need Asians and we would be much better off without Jews. By contrast, Jews need whites and Asians living in our countries benefit enormously from us. I think that Godless knows this and therefore perceives white racial consciousness as a potential threat, which is why he is so pro-race-mixing and pro-immigration (i.e., he basically takes the same stance toward whites that Jews have traditionally taken since he is in a similar position).
Posted by: Oleg at July 25, 2003 12:12 AM”

GC himself:
“So I say: no.  You will not do this in my country.  You’re free to try moving to Iceland, or enacting immigration restriction in one of the mostly white countries in Eastern Europe.  But America is my home.  You will not forcibly expropriate my property, nor deport me from the land of my birth. I speak English with greater fluency than 99% of the semi-literates who post on Stormfront.  I have more technical expertise than ten of them put together. What right have they to tell me I am not an American?  None whatsoever.  In the end, land has always been the property of those willing to fight for it, and America is no different.  If you ever did fight ... you would lose.  I am confident that it will not come to that, however.  I’ve spent quite some time lurking on the SF boards.  Every post is monitored by the United States government.  Every IP is tracked.  White nationalism will never become a viable political movement.”

Of course, if the last sentence is correct, why is GNXP so obsessed with such a non-viable movement?  They do protest too much.
The amygdala, race and face:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/08/000825081924.htm

Now, no one here claims that the amygdala or intestinal flora hypotheses *must* be true.  All we say is that James’ correlations strongly suggest something that needs to be investigated.  And, until this can occur, prudence suggests social ostracism of South Asians.

Your straw man arguments about other ethnic groups and skin cancer and other such nonsense is irrelevant.  Where is the correlation data and what is the *reasonable* hypothesis to be tested?  You have none, you are just attempting to ridicule James’ work by citing any ludicrous example you can.  It doesn’t wash.

Your comments about the “biodiversity” of India are irrelevant as well.  If the flora hypothesis is correct, then it may well be that most South Asians are so infected; may we test a population sample, or do you object to that as well?  If the amygdala hypothesis is correct, then the internal variation in India is not important; what is important is how a young white child (or, the amygdala of said child) reacts to the range of physical appearances characteristic of South Asians.  That there is not one “single typical appearance” is not relevant as long as most (or all?) of the appearance types are such to “confuse” white amygdala function.  And don’t obfuscate the issue by dealing with exceptions – a few Indians may look white or a few may look black, or a few, in the extreme northeast, may look oriental.  The vast majority of South Asians do not look like any of these groups.  Razib has posted his picture online, and he is typical of most South Asians that many of us here have seen in the USA.  He does not look white, nor black, nor East Asian, but has characteristics of all 3 groups. 

We are talking about South Asians as a group, not single individuals who may be outliers.

I can’t really understand what you’re saying, for your syntax and punctuation is all over the place. Why do you wish to follow James when he seems to be flouting a “pseudo intellectual hypothesis”, or are you being sarcastic?

Yarus, are you making a subtle rhetorical point by deliberately misusing a word, or do you really not know when to use “flout” and “flaunt”?

I don’t see how my Italian-Irish/English-skin cancer example was a strawman. I was trying to say that just because a correllation exists doesn’t mean it’s a viable thing to act upon, and the hypothesis James has come up with is definately not viable to act upon.

Seeing as there’s some sort of correllation between the GDP per capita of a country and the rates of autism in said country, perhaps we should get rid of lots of money before proper investigation proves the hypothesis correct or not? Of course not. More cars have been sold than ever before, and more cases of autism have been diagnosed than ever before, so I guess we should ditch all motor vehicles and go everywhere by bike? As much as I would like that, it wouldn’t work out in real life, and is an irrational thing to act upon.

James’ hypothesis is also irrational to act upon. Perhaps he should do some more research before he decides to blame Indians for causing autism? He may even find another ethnic group that correllates strongly with autism levels among Finns, and it may even be a white one for all we know.

I’m not suggesting amygdala stuff and bacteria stuff shouldn’t be studied, of course they should. I’m trying to say, for the nth time, that James is going about it the wrong way.

He’s saying:

1) Levels of autism seem to correllate with levels of Indians in a certain area. Thus, we must seperate ourselves from them.
2) I will choose to not pursue further study because I am pissed at all the Indian competition I get at work and want to get at Indians. For all I know there could be even more significant correllations at work here, but no, I hate Indians.
3)I have no idea why Indians might cause autism, but I have several intriguing reasons why they might be. Let’s test them.

He should’ve said:

1) I have several intriguing theories as to what might cause autism. Let’s test them.
A VERY hypothetical situation follows. After much research is done:
2) Goodness! Indians seem to have something about them that causes autism in Finns. Thus, we must seperate ourselves from them.

Can you see which would be most acceptable and most likely to work?

Stop using strawman arguments, I’m not denying that GNXPers are capable of hypocrisy and I’ve already stated I resent such hypocrisy. Intelligence differences between groups is based on solid evidence; autism causing factors among Indians is definately not. I don’t think IQ testing was devised in order to prove non-whites inferior, for example, and nor do I think further research into autism should be spurred by a fear of Indians. Jeez…

Of course we shouldn’t refrain from discussion of ideas that might be offensive, but making crazy claims without following proper methodology isn’t the right way to go about it, as I’ve explained countless times!!

And Soren, as much as I’m sorry for confusing a word, I wasn’t raping the rules of English syntax and punctuation.

How about a comment on the birth rates and how whites are not a dying race?  Was that an unfounded assumption?

But that doesn’t mean whites are dying out. If whites only numbered 10 million in the whole world then yeah, we would be dying out. But we number waaaay more than that.

When fertility is below 2 and on average whites are around the 1.5 mark, globally, that means over time they will die out or become assimilated, genocided, or miscegenated into something else.  It does not necessarily have to mean TOMORROW whites will die out, but it does mean that if things continue as is, then that will be the end result.

I always thought WN, or at least the mainstream WN mission (which is basically white seperatism) was a political affliation because of it’s desire to create a white ethnostate? That’s very political.

Says f**king who?  Are brown ethnostates political?  Black? Yellow? No, they are not because that is the natural order of things.  Whites have a white continent and white nations.  This was never an issue prior to 4 or so decades ago.  In actuality, it was harped on before that, however the 60’s was the beginning of this egalitarian nightmare. 

What proof do you have to back up the statement “most browns absolutely abhor blacks”? What on Earth do you mean by brown?

Brown is how Browns refer themselves to each other.  Razib does it regularly, though all do it or at least the ones who speak English.  I truly hope you are not going to trot out, “but it’s a slur” tripe.  If they refer to themselves as Brown, then so will I.  Same goes for Blacks and the word Negro or nigger.  Once they stop, then so will I.  We cannot live with double standards now can we?

As to them hating Blacks, jeez, simply read how they froth when Blacks are mentioned on GNXP.  Also, over the last 20 years, I have known, in varying degrees, at least several thousand Browns.  To a man, they hate Blacks and view them as inferior, slovenly, violent and crime prone.  I do not think this was selection bias on my part. 

I’ve seen debates on GNXP come to screeching halts when an angry left-winger insults everyone, at least until the accused was banned. It’s not just WNs who mess up things.

Again, this is a non sequitur.  When they berate left wingers, they do so with facts and throw the liberal fallacies back in their faces.  That is not what happens with WNs as you well know if you frequent the sight as much as you say you do.

Actually alot of the stuff WNs have said on GNXP aren’t very scientific, i.e. “East Asians are definately less creative”, “whites have ALWAYS been on top” and “no non-white state can sustain Western civilization and culture when we die out”.

I never saw that when I frequented the site some time back.  All WN discussion was quite scientific and fact based.  Now, if they allow some not-so-read-up WNs to make asses of themselves in order for them to point their brown fingers and say “see how stupid they are”, then that is a problem of theirs and not WNs.  In my opinion of course. 

just because fertility rates are slightly below 2.1 doesn’t mean we are in danger of extinction. We aren’t an endangered species, as so many paranoid WNs claim.

Again, you are placing unfounded solace in the “just under 2.1” assertion and that an extinction will be in some distant future, “if ever”.  All White nations are under the replacement level.  Some hover around the 1 mark, meaning that their population will halve in a generation.  To me, that is quite drastic.  If it continues, Whites will cease to exist.  Not if, but when.  Also, 1.5 is not “just under” 2.1.  Two is just under 2.1.

Speaking of white nationalism, sorry, it IS political in today’s political climate.

So in that case, since you are so adamant, when are you going to start clamouring for diversification of Black, Brown, and Yellow lands?  You CANNOT have it both ways.  Either these other ethnostates are natural, then so are we or they are political.  Let me know how they take your “political” view towards their homelands.  As for me, I view it as being NORMAL without the need for this WN designation.  The designation is not something WE wanted but was foisted onto our shoulders in order to slur normal behaviour of Whites.

You still haven’t clarified what particular ethnicity you mention when you say “brown”.

South Asians are Brown as the most common reference.  Some (?many) in the US refer to Mexicans as brown as well.  I’m more “old school” and maintain that South Asians are the true browns.

The main problem - giving too much attention to the over-rated GNXP site.  That site’s only utlility (which is shared by Sailer and Pontikos) is to point the reader in the direction of the original source material (manuscripts, books, essays, editorials, studies, etc.).  The actual commentary on the site falls into one of three categories:
1) pursuit of the interests of GC and Razib
2) regurgitation of original source material, often with a “spin” relevant to point 1
3) childish, juvenile, vulgar stupidity (e.g., “Britney’s crack").

I could add a fourth category, which is a fusion of 1 and 3, as demonstrated by the following wonderfully scientific, non-political, and non-offensive excerpt -

Razib of Gene Expression:
“…Vincent is a known drunk, a vice that Finns are all too familiar with. Raised by non-Suomi parents Vincent’s genotype was subject to a different norm of reaction than might be have been the case in Finland. With its suffocatingly introverted and maladjusted culture Vincent might have flourished as a withdrawn curiosity. As it is, in the glamor seeking non-Suomi cultural milieu of the United States he withered under a harsh glare which evolution in the cool northern climes did not prepare him for…”

Indeed, one assumes that an arrogant Bengali is better suited for this “harsh glare” than is the “withdrawn northern drunk” Vincent.

My only criticism of James here is that he shouldn’t waste his time commenting on GNXP.  Who is there?  Self-serving South Asians, servile whites, and idiots like Yarus.

Watching paint dry would be a more productive activity.

Yarus, you seem to be confused about WNism.  Your confusion is shared by many WNs, unfortunately.

White Nationalism is the white flavor of racial nationalism.  Racial Nationalism is the idea that racial groups are the best basis for political groups.  Jewry is the best example of this.  Diaspora jewry has never been much into separatism, but it has displayed Racial Nationalism, in fact it’s pretty much the model.

Yes, most WNs are also separatists, but on the other hand most would be pleased with a race-as-nation mentality sweeping the white race, even if it never led to separatist states.

Thanks to MR (GW) I’ve come to the conclusion that WNism is actually an unneccesary construct, at least in present company (it’s also a redundancy, a reflection of the absurdity of the western Zeitgeist, in the etymological sense in particular).

WNism is not politics.  It’s Ethnic Genetic Interests.  It’s nature.  That we have to call it anything is a reflection of the geek show western public life has become.

Svi, the notion you ascribe to me actually came from another.

But arguments against the legitimacy of self-defense can ONLY be offered in good faith.

Did I really type that?  Correction:

But arguments against the legitimacy of self-defense can ONLY be offered in bad faith.

Well I saw quite a bit of it, infact every single WN I saw posting had to try and make whites seem superior in almost everysingle way.

I highly doubt that.  In fact, I would venture to guess it may have been the minority UNLESS they happened to taper the WN commenting pool to simple, poorly read types.

Strawman again…

I’m just saying in the Western world, white nationalism happens to be viewed as far rightist by most. It wasn’t far rightist in say 1750, and ethnic nationalism isn’t particularly rightist in Japan, although there are quite a few political groups in there who wish to ease immigration laws.

It most certainly is NOT a strawman to expect equal treatment of all races on this planet, is it?  No, it is not.  You do not have much of an issue in the regard that Whites and white nations are treated not only unfairly, but also racially discriminated against.  What I said was if whites who proffer for a white (read genetically normal) ethnostate are viewed as “political”, then so should China, India, most if not all of Africa.  What’s strawmanish about that? 

Also, finding healthy white nationalism, again read as NORMAL, one need to go back to the late 60s and early 70s, not 1750.  After that is when it was somehow viewed ABnormal when whites were acting normal.

Not from where I’m from they aren’t. Besides, it’s too vague a term. People that have whitish skin are pretty homogenous, as are those with yellowish skin, but brown skinned people are extremely diverse.

Then I suggest you take up this issue with all South Asians who refer to each other as Brown.  There are a tremendous lot of them so you have your work cut out.  They don’t seem to mind nor do they view it as a slight.  Why all the fuss?  This NON-issue about Browns reminds me of a feminist blog I was reading a few days back.  This one feminist made such an issue about MIT not necessarily being the sole meme acronym for Massachusetts Institute of Technology.  She insisted that many people when using MIT mean Michigan Inst of Tech.  LOL Yeah, there may be a Michigan MIT (though no one has really heard about it), just like Brown may mean other groups.  Though the difference is South Asians refer to themselves as Browns.  Do Mexicans or anyone else for that matter?  No. 

In your neck of the woods, who is “brown”?  Just out of curiosity.

I thought they’re quite atomized inviduals themselves. I’ve seen them saying that they don’t think that much about their ancestry.

As I keep saying, I don’t think they should voice political opinions on the science blog they have, and that they should create a separate semi-political/science blog for that.

I thought they didn’t tolerate discussion that is obviously politically motivated?

Please explain why science says GC should be deported.

EC, I’ve seen stupid hyper-biased comments made by WNs from very early on in GNXP’s history, when they were more welcome. Skepticism was non existent; trying to prove whites as superior in most respects was very common.

You were implying I am acting to diversify white nations, i.e. that I’m a multiculturist. That was the strawman. That’s not true, to an extent (I wouldn’t mind smallish intelligent groups that assimilated properly). I’m not a WN because I belive low IQ white chavs pose a big threat in my country, the UK.

I’ve never heard of Indians or Pakistanis calling each other “browns” around where I live.

I’ve already stated that I don’t appreciate GC or anyone else expressing political views in a science blog, there’s no need to quote an example.

This 50% figure for Jews is bogus.  It’s more like 20%.

Exactly.  And that is the case for the US and in only the very liberal parts of the US.  The numbers for conservative or orthodox sure doesn’t reach 20%.  I doubt, though have no hard evidence, that the total intermarrying rate for all Jews in the US is as high as 20%.  Jews in other countries intermarry at an even lower rate.  However, it does not keep them from trotting out that old, tired, and obviously false stat.

Yarus, if you’ve been reading GNXP for some time now, including “early in its history”, then surely you have read Razib refer to South Asians as Browns.  No?

The quote from GC was not directed at you.  I found it interesting.

What are “chavs”?  Some derogatory term for unwashed whites?  Do you refer to blacks as niggers?  Of course only the “low IQ” ones, that is.  What you fail to realize is that whatever threat low IQ whites pose is miniscule to what low IQ non-whites pose.  No one, unless one happens to feverishly work on some extreme forward looking genetic/mate selecting process, remains “high IQ”.  The chances to regress to the norm are astronomical.  Hence, your high IQ non-whites become average IQ non-whites with their own interests to look after and not yours.

However, “sticking to one’s own kind” WN is different from the kind seen at GNXP, which is overwhelmingly “creation of a white ethnostate” WN.

As EC said, it doesn’t make much sense to extrapolate WNism from WNs after they’re filtered by anti-WNs.  In fact that doesn’t make any sense at all.

I’ve been skimming over posts, so forgive me if I’ve missed it; have any of your hither-and-yon acrobatics in defense of GNXP involved acknowledging the fact that GC and Razib are liars?

You’re correct that most WNs are also white separatists, but that doesn’t change what WNism is and isn’t.  WNism is EGI as politics.  The 14 words are another way of expressing that.  The 14 words say nothing of borders, or states, or ideologies, or governments, or laws.  They state an interest, a goal.  The separatist desires of most WNs are a means to that end.
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GW: in future I’ll give Beck credit then (thanks Geoff!).

It’s relevant because they seem to be atomizing people indiscriminantly as apposed to just whites....

No, they don’t.  They atomize people who live in countries that belong to whites.

Svyatoslav,

I have admitted that when GNXPers make fun of political groups they’re being hypocritical. Seeing as they claim to be a fair and square blog, I guess they are being liars. What do you mean by “hither-and-yon acrobatics”?

The reason I’m not a WN is because the main WN political group, the BNP, doesn’t accept that low-IQ white chavs pose a great threat to the country, and that isn’t on.

I don’t recall GC or Razib saying that India or Bengal should remain as ethnostates.

What do you mean by “our territory”? The US? Depends what part of the US you mean.

Yarus,

It’s my belief that a dysgenic trend has been affecting certain populations in the UK, thus turning them into chavs.

Very good.  One of the first correct things you’ve said today.  Though this dysgenic trend is also wreaking havoc on native Brits as well.

Then you state this…

I didn’t mention “high IQ non-whites”. Well done, Captain Strawman!

after you state this…

I wouldn’t mind smallish intelligent groups that assimilated properly

You need to keep track of just who you prefer to let into your country.  Just who are these “smallish intelligent groups that assimilate”, yet aren’t “high IQ non-whites”?  Are they other Europeans you refer to?  If so, that would be a breath of fresh air after your day long fawn fest of the Browns over at GNXP.  You’ll have to forgive me for jumping to those conclusions.

Correction, they sacrifice nothing and gain specious credibility with white suckers if they don’t.

GC is a pathogen?!? What the Christ…

This points up the shortcomings of the “science” proffered by advocates of atomisation.  Yes, GC is quite literally a pathogen.  Surely, you understand what a pathogen is; I suspect the problem is that you don’t know what an organism is.

What is this organism he’s trying to kill? The US? Whites? East Asians?

You have conceded that they are proponents of atomisation.  As such, they attempt to kill (disorganise) every organismic human group consisting of more than one white.  Read David Sloan Wilson.

This is hardly a scientific reason.

The value of an immune system to an organism is hardly a point of scientific controversy.  The problem is that your understanding of biology is limited, partly (one presumes) because of GNXP’s biases.

Hey, EC, if you haven’t noticed I have been critical of GNXPers numerous times on this page. All that straw seems to be obscuring your vision.

Ben,

I think the David Lee Roth Fanclub consists of more than one white person, and it is a social organism. Is GC trying to disband them?

I’m not ignorant of biology, but you seem to be ignorant of correct terminology. What you are going on about is in the realms of sociology.