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Finally, a worthy opponent!A new method of construction of amplified criticism: this letter was sent to various persons, most of whom did not reply.
I may not like this? Is that a matter of permission? Do you mean to wonder that I might not like it? How can I like it or what you said, classifying all Jews as your enemy? Well, if the anti-Christ is a great orator, your YouTube speech does offer some small comfort. Is this provocation or clowning on your part? You’ve known me all your life. Am I your enemy? As always, I do hope this is merely a joke growing more elaborate by the day. But if not, I guess I’m glad that market testing has led you to re-brand “eco-national futurism.” I worry, however, that you haven’t done enough focus-grouping of Hitler’s portrait and the Nazi flag; still, that Confederate flag could work if the secession movement takes off outside Texas. Your father, too, did not fully believe in equality, but who does? Recently, I met Harry Jaffa, who was one of those scholarly political philosophers that Ken admired so much. He’s a grouchy old guy now who believes in torture when necessary and yet is also a student of Lincoln and his works.But I should dispense with the snark here and get straight to the point I repeated so tiresomely at the Heartland: Somehow, irrational personal grievances have totally distorted your politics. I don’t know if it was an encounter with black street criminals that marked your turn to white nationalism. (If Wikipedia can be trusted--and I’m not sure it ever should--a beating by black youths was a formative experience for Francis Parker Yockey.) Or maybe you feel some “Jewish” influence was responsible for your setbacks in grad school. I don’t know you well enough to say.
As for your discourse, Soren, it’s mostly babble to me. I don’t mean merely to provoke you, but how can I resist using that term. Towering babble, indeed.
Maybe you’ve failed as a philosopher because you have ADHD (your rambling YouTube speech strongly suggests this). Or perhaps you were poorly socialized in the jungles of the Yucatan and the woods of the Upper Peninsula and lack the collegial manner that academia prefers. But I don’t think there’s some strangely “Jewish” cast to Western civilization that explains your difficulties. I guess it’s more exciting to imagine a life in which “billions will die” according to your grand theories than to consider the near certainty that you, like me, will live an uneventful life and die quietly in obscurity. But maybe if you could see the world in a more measured way, you’d be less prone to manias like Cold Fusion and Peak Oil. Maybe you’d see that white nationalism is based on the worst sort of junk science. And maybe you’d lose your enthusiasm for tin-pot preachers of the apocalypse like Norman Lowell. But before I get into high moral dudgeon over your speech, I want to attack it solely on intellectual grounds. I was surprised at how disorganized it was, at how poorly you developed your ideas. (Though I should add that I think you’ve developed a fairly calm and engaging manner behind the microphone.) What is your point? The world is in crisis, and you’re going to win? Win what? Are you trying to argue that the Jews and other minorities put the world in crisis? What was the majority doing in the mean time? Aiding and abetting, or resisting? Tell me why they helped in this dismal process or why they failed to resist. The Tower of Babel tangent was potentially interesting, but you lurched from there to the Dugin material without adequately explaining the link. And though the “subject without confines” seemed to be your central theme, you never clearly defined the term. Instead you digressed into a Goldman Sachs quant story that seemed to do nothing more than establish your anti-Semitic bona fides. Finally, your concluding story about the lifeboat had about as much intellectual integrity as an episode of “24.” Just as the show ludicrously assumes that ticking time bombs justify torture, so your Malthusian assumptions make it necessary to take an axe to the billions that will die. Truly trite stuff. Alright, on to the high moral dudgeon. It’s tempting to say that this is the speech of a moral monster. But I see the cheesy Hitler backdrop--and hear the awkward laughter of the audience--and think no, this is really more like small children swearing to see what reaction they can provoke from their elders. I see your absurd, Dostoevskian beard—though thank goodness the repulsive braids are gone—and I wonder if this is the affectation of an overgrown teen still hungry for attention. You really have run off the rails, Soren. These are tragically wrong and morally repugnant ideas. It seems especially strange to cling to them now, when America has such an extremely strong piece of anecdotal evidence to discredit them: clearly, the race-mixing parents of Barack Obama produced a leader superior to the racially pure union of George H.W. and Barbara Bush. Please deal with your adolescent frustration in a different way. Go out and enjoy the spring. or as my cousin would say, shalom. Posted by Søren Renner on Thursday, May 14, 2009 at 05:12 PM in Comments:Posted by Trainspotter on May 14, 2009, 09:28 PM | #
LOL! Yes, our desire to survive as a people is “junk science.” White nationalist: “I want my people to survive.” Brilliant anti white nationalist retort: “Junk science!!” Like, wow man, that was tight. Having delivered such a devastating blow to the now wobbly Soren, all he needed to administer the deadly coup de grace was to state, with great sanctimony, “What are you? A Nazi?!?” Can’t believe he didn’t fully finish Soren off with ultimate victory so close at hand. What a worthy opponent. LOL! It becomes clearer and clearer by the day: all the opposition has is the ability to launch ad hominem attacks. Of course, with control of virtually every major media outlet and educational institution, this has been enough for them to maintain power for the time being. But intellectually they are empty shells. They got nothin’. As something of an aside, one thing that I’ve noticed recently in “debating” (to be charitable) with some particularly noxious Kwans is how the idea of superiority is twisted in their minds. For example, the white nationalist makes the simple case that he wishes for his people to survive as a people, control their own destiny and enjoy self-determination. He makes no claim of superiority one way or the other. The anti-white Kwan, however, hones in on the idea of superiority like a laser beam. He will often respond in one of two ways: firstly, he may attack the white nationalist for allegedly harboring claims of white superiority. Apparently, whites don’t deserve their own homelands if they have any sense of superiority to non-whites. That makes them evil and unworthy. It makes them naziswhowanttokillsixmillionjews. But then the same Kwan will often start promoting the view that non-whites are in fact superior to whites. The Jews are smarter, blacks are better athletes, mongrels are great (whatever) line of thought. Therefore, whites don’t deserve their own homeland. They aren’t superior after all, why do they need a homeland? So it doesn’t matter how the white nationalist argues. He is not entitled to a homeland, no matter what. If he argues superiority, he is disgusting and doesn’t deserve a homeland. However, if he fails to prove superierity he is also not entitled to a homeland. He is in fact benefiting from all of the superior non-whites living amongst him. Heads anti-whites win, tails whites lose. Never mind that no non-white people have to prove superiority in order to justify their own existence. Non-whites, by definition, are seen as being entitled to their own nations and the preservation of themselves as a people and a culture. In the warped anti’s mind, however, there is literally no way that whites can possibly deserve their own homelands. That is a privilege for non-whites alone. Anyway, so much for the aside, it’s just that the “junk science” comment reminded me of it. Who other than whites needs to make an appeal to science (or superiority, or whatever) in order to justify their own existence? Is not life itself the only justification required? Posted by 'That Jew Schumer' on May 14, 2009, 10:34 PM | # Senate candidate forced to apologize for calling out the Jew - “Arkansas GOP Senate Candidate Apologizes For Calling Schumer “That Jew” Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 14, 2009, 10:56 PM | # I vote for the commenters being strongly urged to choose one pen name and stick with it. “Trainspotter,” for example, above, may be “GR,” who may in turn be “Apollonian,” who may in turn be various others. I thought GR was GT but apparently he’s not. Someone thought he was The Monitor/Gorboduc — that’s turned out to be open to question. The quality of the comments threads here is going to deteriorate in the long run if there is one guy who’s allowed to post under fifty thousand different pen names, which is what I think is going on — one guy or a few lately are obviously doing it. There’s no good reason to refuse to keep to one name. Posted by Trainspotter on May 14, 2009, 11:34 PM | #
Fred, not sure what you are getting at. I don’t post here much, but when I have it has been as Trainspotter (with an exception mentioned below) . I am not any of the other people you suggest. At some point in the past (I can’t remember exactly when, it has been a while) I did make some posts here under one other name, and I disclosed that in the post where I settled on Trainspotter. It was simply a disclosed name change, not using two names in the same posting period. Nothing nefarious, and certainly not any sort of sockpuppetry, if that’s what you’re getting at. Frankly, I don’t post enough to have developed a real “brand” anyway. And I don’t need sockpuppets, my arguments can stand on their own. Posted by GR on May 14, 2009, 11:35 PM | # You got me! FREE THE FED AND DEATH TO ELECTIONS! er...... Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 14, 2009, 11:54 PM | # My suggestion stands and I’ll repeat it: I suggest every commenter choose one name and stick with it. Someone will pipe up now with “This isn’t your blog, Scrooby.” Right — I’m a commenter here like everyone else, but I value this blog and I’m making a suggestion I feel strongly about. In my view, if posters are allowed to post under fifty thousand different names, which one or a few are clearly doing lately, the quality of this site’s comments threads is going to deteriorate over the long run, which will be a loss because this site has managed the rare success of having high quality comments threads alongside its high quality log entry material. When someone posts under different names every time, the give and take of extended dialogue, something which can be particularly interesting as well as just plain didactic, becomes impossible, and the quality of the threads will necessarily suffer. Apart from that, it’s creepy and dishonest to frequently change names. One reason the inadequate change names often is they don’t want to be fixed targets for the give-and-take of dialogue. They want to get their pot-shots off and be unidentifiable to responders. They also don’t want to be held to expectations of consistency, and, by erasing their tracks, frequent name-changes make noticing their inconsistencies impossible. There are other reasons they do it, most having to do with their personal inadequacies and creepiness, the rest with their general unpleasantness in other ways. Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 14, 2009, 11:58 PM | # GR is one of the biggest assholes who’s ever posted at this site. He has absolutely no reason to hang around here. He has nothing whatsoever in common with the people here. He should clear out and take his pollution with him. Posted by BATTAILE ('BATTLE') on May 15, 2009, 12:01 AM | # Good on you, Fred! Posted by BATTAILE ('BATTLE') on May 15, 2009, 12:03 AM | #
Jewish Intellectual Supremacism: A Refutation: http://www.alor.org/Race, Culture and Nation/Jewish Intellectual Supremacism - A Refutation.htm Posted by Trainspotter on May 15, 2009, 12:24 AM | # Fred, for what it’s worth I pretty much agree with you. Frequent and even infrequent name changes on a given board are problematic, if not disclosed. If disclosed, however, I don’t see how a change is all that big of a deal. Also, while there are indeed cheap and negative reasons for name changes, there are some legitimate reasons as well. Posted by GenoType on May 15, 2009, 01:12 AM | # Scoob:
Trainspotter:
There are legitimate reasons for name changes and non-public disclosure which needn’t be justified to any cyber entity. If Fred is genuinely ignorant of those reasons, then I’ll be happy to personally meet and explain it to him - subject to mutual identity verification, of course. I’m sure initial arrangements can be made via GuessedWorker. GW is the only cyber entity I am willing to trust in these matters. The real problem, here, is Fred’s morality has been questioned. He hasn’t a problem with the name-changes of sycophants: .357 Magnum aka .357 aka Dave aka Dave Johns, for example. His faux indignation with GenoType is a ruse designed to distract attention from the fact that racialist proponents of liberal capitalism have, at best, their moral wires crossed. Posted by danielj on May 15, 2009, 01:36 AM | # Blah, blah, blah. It is getting ridiculous here. GW, please start moderating before it turns into VNN. Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 15, 2009, 01:38 AM | # GT thinks he’s “questioned my morality” with his endless incoherent prattle about “easy online racialism” and “easy money racialism,” both meaningless expressions here. This person is a genuine nitwit. The nitwit gets the last word: extended gibe-trading with morons isn’t a big interest of mine. Fire away. Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 15, 2009, 01:44 AM | # Have you bought one of the universal milling machines yet, Daniel? If you haven’t, you’re an easy online racialist and an easy-money racialist who doesn’t like getting his hands dirty. How anyone can stomach this piece of zeroness with his everlasting prattle here is beyond me. Posted by Captainchaos on May 15, 2009, 02:11 AM | #
And now you speak of one of your sock-puppets in the third person, give me a break. Fred is like sixty years old, what do you think he should do, pick up where David Lane left off or something? What really is his crime in your eyes? Having Jewish ancestry? Having nice things? Going to bat for his race in the way he is best capable of doing and motivated to do? Just what exactly? It all seems petty and comical to me, but I have been guilty of behavior like that myself at times, so, maybe, who am I to judge. P.S. If I were to discover some Jews in my own woodpile it would not change my commitments one bit. Posted by Lurker on May 15, 2009, 02:46 AM | # Fred is right, keep the same handle, how can we argue in good faith with guys who change their name as often as their underpants (once a week!) Posted by Anon on May 15, 2009, 03:35 AM | # Senate candidate forced to apologize for calling out the Jew - “Arkansas GOP Senate Candidate Apologizes For Calling Schumer “That Jew” That’s how that kind of thing works. Jews can call themselves or each other Jews, that is fine. In fact, it is simply wonderful that we have recognized Isaac or Abraham or Morris -stein, -berg, etc… as an observant Jew who loves Israel. Shit, Jews give each other awards for that kind of stuff! Kind of like when niggers call each other niggers. That’s just fine too, but Yahweh forbid a European calls someone a Jew or a nigger, then they’ll attacked, physically if its blacks and in other ways if its Jews. And just in case anyone was wondering, whites’ll be “rednecks” or “white trash.” PS, the NSDAP fahne should have at least been ironed. Or better yet, shoot a few holes in it, burn/tatter the edges, make some “repairs” and have it look like a genuine Nazi flag that had been through the war. A “historical reproduction” if you will. Posted by Robert Reis on May 15, 2009, 04:38 AM | # Back to the videos.
Posted by danielj on May 15, 2009, 09:53 AM | # Have you bought one of the universal milling machines yet, Daniel? Nope. I guess, in principle it ain’t a bad idea. I helped a friend of mine in a lathe shop one day so maybe I could figure it out. If you haven’t, you’re an easy online racialist and an easy-money racialist who doesn’t like getting his hands dirty. I guess I am then. I think the mistake is in thinking we can somehow alter the course of history through sheer force of will. Sometimes, we just need to bide our time and pass on the civilization to the next generation.
I’m gonna have lots of babies and homeschool them and that is more than a big enough contribution.
I’m all for moderation. Still, I think some of the links GT provided me with were very useful. What happened to Maguire? Posted by Guessedworker on May 15, 2009, 10:58 AM | # Fred, Daniel, All who come here with good intent are welcome. They don’t have to share one Weltanshauung. They certainly don’t have to agree with mine. I would welcome Abe Foxman himself, providing he managed to avoid typing the letters n,a,z and i in sequence. I agree that it is inconsiderate when commenters sign in with different names. But there are reasons for that other than mischief-making, and in the end it has to be an issue of conscience for each commenter how he represents himself to his peers. So, I shall continue to reject what was JWH’s steadfast advice and is now Daniel’s to lock up the doors and windows. Posted by Jupiter on May 15, 2009, 11:50 AM | # I actually had a few brief conversations with Chuck Schummer about the H-1 B and L-1 programs. What I can tell you is this:Schummer has utter conttempt for the Native Born White Christian majority of America. He is a sleaze bag cockroach Jew. Now, I know there are American Jews are oppsed to post-1965 immigration policy. But they need to understand that Jews such as Schummer,the cockroach Schliel who was the master mind of the 1965 immigration reform act in the cockroach JFK administration have genocidal intent towards the Native Born White Christian population of America. And this genocidal intetent towards the group that I am a member of provokes… well why lie about it.... extreme disgust that borders on hate on times towards Jews. I would rather not harbor these strongs emotions towards Jews...but Jews need to understand that as the situation deteriorates for Native Born White American Christians....Jews will be blamed and held responsible...it is going to happen. Jews should start holding AIPAC accountable as soon as possible. I am starring at the very real possibility of becomming a racial minority in the nation I was born in.... and with racial minority status will come massive discriminaton and violence. Native Born White Christian Americans should never..never never have trusted Jews..if they hadn’t they wouldn’t be looking at the very possibility about become an ever dwindling racial minority within the borders of America. “American” Jews are rsponsible for setting up the anti-free speech police state that is right around the corner.Check out Kevin McDonalds essay on Vdare.com. The intent to exterminate the Native Born White Christian majority of America is not something that I take lightly. Jews should not fuck with me. Posted by danielj on May 15, 2009, 12:33 PM | # So, I shall continue to reject what was JWH’s steadfast advice and is now Daniel’s to lock up the doors and windows. Not wholesale censorship, just more helpfully suggestive hints when things start to take a strange drift. For instance, they way you handled Battile (?) or whomever. Locking up entirely is a bad idea. Nobody here is so interesting that they warrant comment free posting. Posted by Loriver on May 15, 2009, 12:46 PM | # I don’t see any interesting criticism in this post. Factual disagreements are interesting and worthy opponents bring such arguments to bear, but arguing about whether someone has personal grievances, is a loon etc. achieves nothing intellectually. This is typical though, a lot of arguments between racialists and committed anti-racists are pointless because their differences are more to do with immutable personal desires than factual disagreement. Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 15, 2009, 01:39 PM | #
Good comment by Jupiter and I agree the ones doing this, among whom Jews are first and foremost, as anyone with eyes can see, “have genocidal intent towards the Native Born White Christian population of America,” exactly as Jupiter writes. However, regarding the cockroach Norbert Schlei (some references to him are in these links: http://www.vdare.com/macdonald/070131_mideast.htm , http://www.vdare.com/pb/081030_schlei.htm ), I’ve searched a bit and not found evidence he was Jewish. VNN or one of those sites has him as Jewish but when those guys get mad they may skip fact-checking and go with suppositions. I couldn’t find it anywhere else. My guess: he wasn’t Jewish BUT I certainly could be wrong. In drafting the 1965 Jewish-Perpetrated Genocide of Eurogoys bill, the genocidal cockroach Norbert A. Schlei was working under genocidalist Bobby Kennedy as Attorney General, if memory serves. The Administration was the post-Kennedy-assassination Lyndon Johnson Administration.
That essay is here: http://www.vdare.com/macdonald/090511_hate_crimes_prevention_bill.htm Posted by q on May 15, 2009, 01:59 PM | # More info. on “hate laws”:- Posted by Jupiter on May 15, 2009, 03:15 PM | # Steinlight writes about how every time he speaks at a temple how the rabbi will pounce on him rant about “we were immigrants once immigrants”.Post-1965 hispanics,muslims,hindus,hmongs you name it, will not practive liberal -even handedness with regard to immigration policy. Once Native Born White Americans become an ever dwindling racial minority within the borders of “America” post-1965 non-whites will control immigration policy and there is not a snow balls chance in hell that they will change the policy back to favoring Europeans again so that Europeans can regain 90 percent majority status again. Steinlight’s Rabbi understands this very well and is in favor of national origins immigration policy that discriminates against Europeans. The Rabbi’s intent is to destroy Native Born White Christian America. Stienlight understands this obvious point also. I doubt he will say it in public. Jewish organiztions and Rabbis harbor murderous intentions towards Native Born White Christian Americans. Why should Native Born White Christian Amricans allow their fate to be determined by millions of post-1965 non-whites and their respective geneline? Steinlight’s Rabbi is demanding that Native Born White Americans commit suicide. Who will defend the interests of Native Born White American Christian Americans when post-1965 non-whites are the majority in the military and police force. If they decided to make us chattel slaves and rape our women, who would be in a position to stop them?Muslim Europe? Thre Israelis? I pray for a complete meltdown of the American economy. I pray for a twenty year severe drought? I pray for an astroid impact that takes out NY or Chicago. I pray for fires year in and year out in California. White America needs to have its teeth knocked out. Then it will wake up. It will fianlly be the end of sniffing A-Rod’s and Tom Brady’s jockstrap for entertainment. Apparently, Thomas J Flemming is moving closer and closer to a race-replacement immigration policy. You have been warned Posted by Englander on May 15, 2009, 03:22 PM | # GW, if you’d allow Abe Foxman to post here, then perhaps that explains how Constantine ‘Jews are the backbone of the white race’ Hoffmeister is still allowed the privilege. However, I don’t think you’d give ol’ Abe the right to add blog entries. Posted by Jupiter on May 15, 2009, 03:30 PM | # The proper response to the passage of the 1965 immigration Reform Act and its aftermath is a extremely,highly racially radicalized Native Born White American population. It is the only game in town. I met another very unhappy Native born White American Enginer yesterday. Here is the exact quote:"goddam fucking chinks every where I can’t stand them”. Last week, another one said:"fucking pakis I hate them all over the place..I want to move to a place where it is really cold maybe this will keep the fucking pakis out” Steve Sailer is completly silent on asian immigrants. This should be taken as support for asian LEGAL immigration. I wouldn’t be suprised if one of his teenage sons is dating one of them. Thomas J Flemming and other members of the Chronicles staff are now moving closer and closer to a multiracial paleoconservatism. I consider Thomas J Flemming to be a faggot. By his own admission he wants to be closer to race-replacement enthusiast Kirkpatrick Sale. Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 15, 2009, 04:18 PM | #
Alain de Benoist in France is already there: once viewed as “Mr. Right-Wing European New-Right Conservative” he’s now reconciled himself one-hundred-percent to the full-scale race-replacement of every single French man, woman, child, and old person in France with mystery meat. He sees nothing whatsoever wrong with it and concentrates all his energy instead on lobbing verbal mortar shells in the direction of United States foreign policy as if Euro-race people still remotely control that foreign policy. Alain de Benoist is blind as a bat and a congenital idiot. Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 15, 2009, 04:22 PM | # Another blind bat over there, incidentally, is Alain Soral, in case anyone follows the French intellectual scene. The French intellectual giant on race-replacement is Guillaume Faye and, on exposing the Holocau$t fabrication, the great, great, great Professor Robert Faurisson. Posted by Jupiter on May 15, 2009, 04:53 PM | # Fred Interesting about Benoist. This why I depise the the modern day pro-facist paganists. The choice isn’t between Hitler and Jacquie Smith. Why does the faggot Paleoconservative Thomas J Flemming want to get closer to race-replacement leftist Kirkpatrick Sale? Next entry: The Iranian take on swine flu Previous entry: Money and the blame game |
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