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Posted by friedrich braun on November 06, 2005, 05:54 PM | #

People like you are a dead end.

As opposed to fearless cyberspace warriors such as yourself?

Let us know of your undoubtedly numerous accomplishments “out in the real world”...hmmm...ah...huh...*sound of crickets in the background”...I thought so...Just shut up.

Besides flipping out at the sight of Hitler pictures; and predictably resorting to all kinds Semitically correct black and white cliches, facile, one-sided, and unnuanced judgments.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 06, 2005, 05:54 PM | #

For me Geoff has been an asset to this blog and I’ve really liked most of his stuff and of course agree with him in fundamental ways but there’s this unfortunate pugnacious side which he can’t or won’t control, which doesn’t happen to be my own cup of tea.  Whether his continued participation as a blogger would help or hinder the site’s effectiveness I don’t know.  I’m also the first to acknowledge that for many, my own stuff is beyond the pale:  preferring, for example, the term “Negro” to “African-American” or “Sub-Saharan” for most contexts, as I do, is in the estimation of many extremely vile.  So, I don’t pretend to know where the right limits lie.  But that’s my judgment of the effect Geoff’s stuff has (or, has on me, at any rate):  a mixture of good/helpful and bad/counterproductive.

Posted by Steve Edwards on November 06, 2005, 05:58 PM | #

Let me know when you’re through lying.

Oh, is that so, “Friedrich”?

I refer all MR readers to this comment by “Friedrich Braun” on the 4th of June 2005:

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/924/

As to Poles, Polish brutality towards its German minority was well documented in the 30s by the media and various international agencies. During WW II, they got exactly what they deserved. I’d even say that some aspects of the German occupation was too lenient and gentle.

Thanks very much, “Friedrich”, for your valuable assistance. It’s all very clear to me now, “Friedrich”, and my suspicions are now 100% confirmed.

Do pass on my regards to David Rockefeller next time you bump into him, will you?

Posted by friedrich braun on November 06, 2005, 06:00 PM | #

We are in awe of such intellect.

It was meant to be a fun and humourous and feisty little post (taken out of context); and not a position paper.

Posted by Steve Edwards on November 06, 2005, 06:03 PM | #

(I hate EVERYTHING about the British—from demockracy (their bastard child) to their legendary perfidy and hypocrisy and various, strange, personal idiosyncracies and let’s not forget their philo-Semitism. There has always been something “off” about the British). If I could, I’d nuke the entire f****** island...I’d turn it into a parking lot)

Poles and Americans will have to fight it out for third place.

Do rack off, you disgusting bigot.

Posted by Kubilai on November 06, 2005, 06:05 PM | #

It was meant to be a fun and humourous and feisty little post -braun

Oh yes, now that you clarified it, I just can’t stop laughing at your “humour”.

Posted by Martin Hutchinson on November 06, 2005, 06:08 PM | #

As I’ve said frequently before, I think MR needs some ground rules if it is to succeed and be persuasive. Among these should be:

1) No emotional anti-Semitism.  Rational and careful discussion of negative aspects of Jewish thought and culture are fine, but only in small doses

2) No covert glorification of the Third Reich, or allegations that it solved a Jewish “problem.” Germany had a number of problems in the early 1930s, mostly caused by the cack-handedly Wilsonian Treaty of Versailles and the economically illiterate Hoover administration, but Hitler wasn’t the long term solution to any of them.

3) No personal abuse.

I’m well aware that on this site I’m the wimpy suspect liberal second only to JJR; given my overall position in the political spectrum this indicates to me that the site is in danger of falling off the edge of the world entirely, which would be a pity.

Alternatively, the site is entirely free to ignore these or similar ground rules, in which case it will not succeed and will not be persuasive.

Posted by Steve Edwards on November 06, 2005, 06:08 PM | #

Kubilai, please keep in mind that ACLU employees aren’t exactly the wittiest characters in town.

Posted by Matra on November 06, 2005, 06:09 PM | #

Germans...sense of humour?...DOES NOT COMPUTE...DOES NOT COMPUTE...DOES NOT COMPUTE…

Posted by friedrich braun on November 06, 2005, 06:09 PM | #

One more point on this: as my departure from grossdeutches-vaterland forum indicates my position has significantly evolved on several issues. To all those quotes you’ve submitted, I could counterquote, for e.g.:

The reason that I think such threads are futile is because no one will ever Waltz into Poland again (as history has shown, even September 1939 was a mistake). If by some miracle that were possible the West and the world won’t stand by twirling their thumbs in total indifference. But more importantly, no sane German government will ever contemplate such a mad option. (No one is interested in seeing a war in Central Europe again.) And like I said, Germany has millions of hostile foreigners in its midst and a totally oppressed and re-educated German population. After all, we’re speaking about a people who cannot stop building gigantic Jewish museums and memorials everywhere in Germany, a country that has paid hundreds of millions of dollars to Israel, a nation that has acquiesced to its displacement and genocide by allowing savage immigration, a masochistic people that cannot stop from apologizing to the world for being German, a people that has the most Orwellian laws on its books censoring expressions of racial, national pride or even challenging the establishment in its quest to annihiliate Germany, a country that imprisons historians who question the standard WW II narrative or the holocaust dogma.
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Re: Your opinion of Polish people?

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a) If you will, all threads are futile, because we wont change the world with this forum. 

No, we won’t. But arguing for the invasion of Poland again seems to be the epitome of futility itself.

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b) Part of your argumentation could have been spoken by Don anus himself. 

Cheap shot, not worth commenting on.

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c) I know very well in what condition Germany is today. But obviously you lack the fantasy to consider the possibility, that this could change. The allied victory of 1945 was not the final word on Germany. And no, it was NOT a mistake to trash the Polaks in 1939, because it was a matter of honour and protecting our fellow people under polak tyranny. That can never be a mistake. 

How about looking at the results of that decision? Germany went to war over Danzing and ended the war in total rubble, under foreign domination, and with 1/3 of its nation gone. I guess we have a different working definition of “mistake.” In hindsight, September 1939 was one of the worst decisions in German history. An abolute miscalculation.

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d) Like Anus you seemed to have allready signed off these provinces. Fuzzy fantasys of Polaks giving everything back peacefully and then packing their bags to move back towards central Poland are stupid and silly. Anyone that knows Polaks, knows that will NEVER happen. They are allready infiltrating the rest of Germany and buying up property in Brandenburg. 

You’re totally out of your mind if you believe that Germany will march into Poland at any time in the future to reclaim those lands. Such a foolhardy action (even if contemplated in some parallel universe) would spell the complete annihilation of Germany FOR EVER.

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e) Maybe you think the rest of the world is so fond of Polaks, but History says otherwise. And I am very disapointed of you, that you have no faith in a German future. You have resigned allready before the battle has begun. 

No, I look objectively and realistically at the situation; I don’t daydream impossible (and horrific) scenarios.

Posted by Steve Edwards on November 06, 2005, 06:12 PM | #

It’s too late, “Friedrich”. Nobody will ever believe a word you say again. You are a stooge for the Enemy Class.

Posted by friedrich braun on November 06, 2005, 06:18 PM | #

My posts and and others can be found in this thread:

http://www.grossdeutsches-vaterland.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7132#post7132

It’s unfortunate that I don’t have access to the admin. section of that forum. I’d include my final post spelling out my differences on many issues with the general direction of that board; most notably, I left because I couldn’t accept the constant calls to wipe out Poland, etc.

However, quoting what I might or might not have said years ago on different boards seems rather contemptible. I suppose it seems to the general nature and character of MR contributors.

Posted by Steve Edwards on November 06, 2005, 06:23 PM | #

However, quoting what I might or might not have said years ago on different boards seems rather contemptible.

No it isn’t contemptible, you shill, and it was five months ago, not “years”. Someday, I suggest you train yourself in the art of logic.

You have clearly stated that you think Hitler went easy on the Poles, and that they deserved their treatment in any case.

Truly, “Friedrich”. Morris Dees clearly isn’t getting his money’s worth out of you.

Posted by john rackell on November 06, 2005, 06:23 PM | #

mostly caused by the cack-handedly Wilsonian Treaty of Versailles

It’s somewhat ironic that we get tied up in knots about the injustice perpetrated by us on the Germans by the Treaty of Versailles when the Germans explicitly had the aim of financing the war - paying off their war bonds - from what it would extract from France after it had won the war. And their hyperinflation of 1922-23 was a way to get out from under their debts (both under Vers. and to their own citizens), but it was caused by decisions taken earlier in 1914 and throughout the war.

Seen in this light the Germans would have shown no mercy in taking what they felt was theirs.

The British just stole the gold from their benighted citizens to pay for the war.

Posted by Steve Edwards on November 06, 2005, 06:29 PM | #

Yes, well. No need to get too caught up in historical blame games. All we need to know is that “Friedrich Braun” is a highly slippery character, whom I am virtually 100% certain is working for the ACLU or the ADL, and that Geoff Beck has (either unwittingly or wittingly) played into the hands of “Friedrich”.

Posted by Kubilai on November 06, 2005, 06:30 PM | #

Braun, shut the hell up, will you?  Your words of “years ago” haven’t wavered much from the words of...umm...yesterday. 

Steve Edwards, yes I agree.  The ACLU lackeys and most of the “tolerant” left are painfully stupid and witless.  And I agree that Braun has shown his colors.

Martin, I agree with a fair amount with your “rules”, however if the JQ is discussed, then it needs to be discussed.  We cannot temper dialogue or postings of it on some “set amount”.  This blog is far, far from a monomaniacal treatment of the JQ.

Posted by Steve Edwards on November 06, 2005, 06:40 PM | #

Kubilai, I pretty much agree with your take on “Martin’s rules”, however it must be said that the only people who have every seriously breached them have been “wintermute” and “Friedrich Braun”.

Posted by A Casual Observer on November 06, 2005, 07:25 PM | #

This is the problem with this blog that had been pointed out by numerous individuals over year. Those same individuals suffered ad-hominem attacks from the likes of Fred Scrooby, Guessedworker, and Geoff Beck. Those individuals were chased away from the forum and accused of such things as advocating “racial genocide” or “race replacement.”

Now you have pro-Nazi goons left like Friedrich Braun, who would be perfectly happy with a nuclear Holocaust being effected upon various regions of the West, as long as the nukes don’t touch his beloved Germany and Poland. You have Geoff Beck posting pictures of Hitler in comment threads remarking about how loved he was, posting links to the most extreme and vulgar neo-Nazi ideologues (ie, Alex Linder and VNN), commenting about how Hitler has supposedly been unfairly demonized and how Europe would be better off under Nazi rule than it is now, and even making entire threads dedicated to lame-ass pictures of Hitler. Thankfully, some of the goons have left, like Wintermute, but there are more than a few that remain and I will not go about naming names; you know who they are.

Here this blog is, growing at an extremely rapid rate with more and more viewers everyday, and by failing to do some basic site management you risk it all now at this critical time.

A choice must be made: will this blog continue to post thoughtful, patriotic, discussions of the fate of the West and attempt to influence others to join the movement, or will it dematerialize into another marginalized member of the pro-Nazi blog genre?

The West isn’t going to have another chance. It’s now or never. Unfortunately, if this is somehow representative of the defenders of the West, maybe it’s time for us to pack up our stuff and fade into history like all great civilizations have done in the past.

Good luck to you all.

Posted by The Mighty Mole on November 06, 2005, 07:43 PM | #

Where’s Guessedworker in all this? I thought he ran the site. Posting Adolf’s and Benito’s holiday snaps was a bad move. We need a little more of the Fuhrerprinzip round here;-)

My view is that no true conservative with a national/racial conscience could possibly approve of A. Hitler. He was a foreign interloper (probably part-Slav) who muscled in on a Germany whose natural condition-- which the Allies should have restored in 1918-- is a charming, cultured collection of small kingdoms, mediatised princedoms, city states etc. 

Hitler made ‘the German Reich’ (a bogus invention of Bismarck) even more of an unnaturally unified entity, and proceeded to try to construct an empire and a multiracial European federation. Both are utterly antagonistic to true racial patriotism, which demands a single, compact, controllable homeland for a coherent extended family, maintaining its borders inviolate but resolutely refusing to trespass or be a bad neighbour.

No wonder Hitler failed. He deserved to. And in his last nihilistic moments he proved he was the falsest of friends to Germanness, wishing perdition on ‘his’ volk for failing to win his idiotic and cruel wars. Having gone into battle against Bolshevism, he managed to give it a 50-year life extension. What a klutz!

National Socialists and Zionists were two of a kind and more than occasional collaborators. So there’s some poetic justice in seeing the Israelis making all the same mistakes: herding different kinds of Jew together in a synthetic, discriminatory, constitution-less nation state, pursuing ‘lebensraum’ in the East, antagonising every country around them, flogging themselves to fight endless wars and facing a Gotterdammerung unless some Jewish Stauffenberg plot overthrows the Likud regime.

Posted by Steve Edwards on November 06, 2005, 07:45 PM | #

Casual - I understand your concerns, and that is precisely why we are hounding the likes of “Friedrich Braun” from these pages.

However, I don’t think there is anything wrong with Fred Scrooby pointing out the reality of “race replacement”. There is nothing “nazi” about describing the dynamics of race replacement, nor in arguing that Europeans of all stripe should be allowed to avoid these developments.

Think of it this way - virtually all MR’ers would agree that Croats, Slovenes, Pakistanis, East Timorese, Southern Sudanese, etc, should retain the right to ethnic self-determination and secession. Indeed, it has been the policy of the Western powers to support the self-determination of ALL of these groups at some stage in the 20th Century.

What we do here is simply extrapolate to say that Western and Northern Europeans also have the right to ethnic self-determination (and even secession), and that there is nothing morally wrong with actively exercising this right. By repeatedly arguing this fact calmly and rationally, pointing out the essential consistency of our position, and exposing the nefarious forces that oppose our rights, MR can build consciousness among its growing readership and begin to repair the damage of the 20th Century.

Finally, I will state that most bloggers and commenters here support a defensive and essentially non-interventionist, rather than expansive, patriotism. As soon as this becomes more apparent, I do not believe that there will be high barriers to people experiencing an “awakening”.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 06, 2005, 08:14 PM | #

“Those same individuals suffered ad-hominem attacks from the likes of Fred Scrooby, Guessedworker, and Geoff Beck.” (—A Casual Observer)

I only use ad hominem on insufferable half-wits who richly deserve it and worse—hey just a little quirk of mine ... (Try getting yourself some unhalfwitted friends for a change and maybe it won’t happen so often in future ...)

“Those individuals were chased away from the forum and accused of such things as advocating ‘racial genocide’ or ‘race replacement.’ ” (—A Casual Observer)

I never mistake my targets where genocide and race-replacement are concerned—if I accused them of that they were guilty.  As for their being “chased away,” if they were made of the right stuff and could justify themselves they’d have stood their ground and shown me up for a moron.  They were made of the wrong stuff.

If there’s no race-replacement there’s no problem.  I’m not spending time on blogs out of concern over economics, tax policy, the best way to implement Bush’s amnesty of forty million Mexicans, or the best approach to tinkering with immigration policy so as to give all non-whites equal access to these shores.  I have better things to do with my time, I assure you.  If I’m wrong and there’s no race-replacement all the rest is just tinkering and I’d rather be out sailing a sailboat, woodworking, or gardening, frankly.  I’m not a policy wonk and I am one hundred percent apolitical.  What attracts my attention is the issue of the life and death of nation-states and whole societies.  If those aren’t in jeopardy I’m content to leave the nuts-and-bolts of practical management to the blinkered likes of you.

“Thankfully, some of the goons have left, like Wintermute, but there are more than a few that remain and I will not go about naming names; you know who they are.”

Your objection to this blog is that it’s not radical-left-wing enough—that much is clear.  State your view of the immigration crisis, please.

“maybe it’s time for us to pack up our stuff and fade into history like all great civilizations have done in the past.”

If we listen to you for one instant that’s surely what’s in the cards.  I said I didn’t know if Geoff Beck’s continued participation would be ideal.  I have no doubts, however, about you:  your participation not only would “add” negatively to these threads but, were the overall philosophy of the blog to approach yours more closely, it would spell its certain death, while you and your ilk skipped off to utterly ruin some other blog with your absolute brainlessness.  You and your friends are, in fact, the root of the whole problem this blog is trying to confront.  Your endorsement is the kiss of death for a blog—as are you yourself for Western Civilization:  you and people like you come close to guaranteeing its extinction.

State your views of the immigration crisis, please.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 06, 2005, 08:29 PM | #

Furthermore, A Casual Observer, I don’t know how you lumped Guessedworker in with me on the ad hominem accusation, by which you meant ordinary name-calling:  I’ve never seen him call people names here.  Finally, the logical fallacy of argumentum ad hominem refers to the attempt to defeat your opponent’s argument by calling him names.  I’ve never done that.  When I’ve called morons names it’s been for the purpose of telling them off for their sheer brazen stupidity, not of defeating their arguments.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 06, 2005, 08:51 PM | #

Now, state your views of the immigration crisis please, Casual Observer.

Posted by Steve Edwards on November 06, 2005, 09:04 PM | #

ACO - do you believe that, say, America is morally obliged to become minority European? If not, does America retain the moral right to stay majority European, if it so desires?

Posted by Mark Richardson on November 06, 2005, 09:04 PM | #

Martin, I agree with you that some kind of ground rules or voluntary code should be considered. I expect we could find some formulation which would not seem draconian to any of the regulars here.

Mighty Mole, I agree with you on AH. He belongs not to traditionalist nationalism but to the whole development of modernist politics which was so ruinous to the west in the twentieth century.

Posted by john rackell on November 06, 2005, 09:20 PM | #

In regards any rules that pertain to discussion of the JQ some might consider Kevin MacDonald anti-Semitic and even consider the questions he raises beyond the pale.

There’s a bone chilling article by KMacD at VDARE extracted from an article at the Occidental Quarterly, “Stalin’s Willing Executioners.” It’s bone chilling - the Jews were involved up to their armpits in a holocaust against the Russian Slavs - in what amounts to a historical settling of scores. Some things just have to be said, who cares how many brownie points we lose with the powers that be.

http://www.vdare.com/misc/051105_macdonald_stalin.htm

Posted by Steve Edwards on November 06, 2005, 09:29 PM | #

“Stalin’s Willing Executioners”!!!!

LOL

That is, of course, a take-off from “Hitler’s Willing Executioners” which is apparently a fairly unhinged attack on all Germans.

Posted by WJG on November 06, 2005, 11:34 PM | #

It is very unfortunate to see Geoff Beck pulling out - I hope he changes his mind.  This site has many great contributors though he is probably my favorite.  Fred Scrooby is a great contributor also so it a damned shame to hear of their unnecessary acrimony.  We need each other if we are to weather this storm.

What I see as being duked out in this thread is whether WN will continue to prostrate before the Establishment regarding the ‘Jewish Question’.  The pictures themselves are trivial.  The JQ is and has been for a long time a legitimate inquiry.  If Nazism cannot be brought up and discussed in a WN forum without reflexive condemnation then where is WN going?  Some have offered legitimate failures of Nazism (and I agree that the failures far outweigh any successes) but it seems the overwhelming tenor is to cast it down and trample on it as consistent with the ongoing catharsis of White guilt.  With calls to censor ‘anti-semitic’ content being proposed and largely being unchallenged this forum may become another respectable/establishment venue for platitudes and hand-wringing.  I hope that is not the case.

White Nationalism itself is anti-semitic because it is against the Establishment’s agenda.  That is the definition of anti-semitism - something organized Jewry (the ADL, NAACP, SPLC, etc.) doesn’t like.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 07, 2005, 12:19 AM | #

Thank you for your kind words, WJG.

Posted by Svigor on November 07, 2005, 12:51 AM | #

That is, of course, a take-off from “Hitler’s Willing Executioners” which is apparently a fairly unhinged attack on all Germans.

Yes, Daniel Goldhagen’s labor of love.  Someone smarter than me (at TOQ if memory serves) pointed out that its likely purpose was pushing outward the boundaries of jewish anti-Germanism to make the previous extremity appear moderate.

Posted by A Casual Observer on November 07, 2005, 01:32 AM | #

I am opposed to the current race replacement of the West and the mass illegal immigration occurring in the US. I am not a neo-GNXPer; lets leave it at that. I prefer to remain an observer and only made a comment because I felt it was necessary.

On a side note, if you guys could get Dr. Tomislav Sunic and Michael Walker to make some posts, that would be most excellent. They are some of the most brilliant minds the West has to offer.

Again, good luck to you all.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 07, 2005, 02:32 AM | #

“I am opposed to the current race replacement of the West and the mass illegal immigration occurring in the US.” (—A Casual Observer)

Well you certainly got yourself out of that one, Casual Observer (to be frank I never expected you would).  Nice work, I admit. 

We’ll see how you do next time, though. 

Carry on.

Posted by JB on November 07, 2005, 04:57 AM | #

The Mighty Mole:
“Having gone into battle against Bolshevism, he managed to give it a 50-year life extension. What a klutz!”

It was Roosevelt and Churchill that gave the USSR a 50 years life extension by helping it fight Germany. And Patton asked to take Moscow but his bosses said No.

Posted by JB on November 07, 2005, 05:19 AM | #

Look, if Germany had won WW2 :

-there wouldn’t be millions of arabs and africans on european soil
-there wouldn’t be a mass media hostile to the interests of whites
-there wouldn’t have been a soviet-american cold war
-there wouldn’t be thousands of russian sex slaves in Israel’s brothels

WW2 wasn’t a “good war” and nor did the “good guys” won. Yet the truth is the exact opposite of what we are continuously being told about WW2. That’s why there’s so much holocaust propaganda(*), it’s to keep whites from examining the big picture from their own viewpoint instead of the jews’ perspective. The way we see the past is probably the most important factor in determining how we act politically in the present. You don’t have to either endorse or condemn nazism and its actions to understand the consequences of WW2 but we have been conditioned to moralize and refuse to understand anything else when it comes to this topic. Living under nazi regimes would have been bad but it wouldn’t have killed us unlike those egalitarian anti-West regimes that are killing us right now.

That’s a crucial point that whites on the Allies side will have to realize: their governments forced them into a war against their own interests, the interests of their race and civilization. Our race had a lot to lose by making war against the nazi regime and very little to gain.

What about freedom some will reply ? Didn’t Europe get freedom at the end of WW2 ? No it didn’t. How important are the petty personal freedoms you may enjoy that supposedly you couldn’t under the nazis when the state forbids its people to defend their country against the invaders it let in by the millions ? European governments are at war against their own peoples just like those in North America and that’s something that would not have happened in a nazi europe.

There should not have been a Second World War but Germany is not the only one to blame here. Roosevelt let Pearl Harbour be attacked to enter the war and help his buddy Uncle Joe. The English refused compromises and they ended up allying themselves with the soviet monsters to beat Germany, why ? Can anyone here still believe Churchill or Roosevelt cared about freedom ? If anyone has to be blamed for the state of the West today these two should be on the top of our lists.

* : certainly thousands died but the Six Million figure appeared before WW2

http://www.codoh.com/incon/incrucifix.html

and I’ve never seen geysers of blood except in movies

Posted by AD on November 07, 2005, 05:30 AM | #

On a side note, if you guys could get Dr. Tomislav Sunic and Michael Walker to make some posts, that would be most excellent. -ACO

Agree wholeheartedly. Tomislav Sunic is one of my favourite writers. I assume he would be a busy guy though.

Posted by Russell Young on November 07, 2005, 03:45 PM | #

A subject that on the surface should be quite mundane extracts such passion, aggression, virulent defensivness.  A subject that is against the law to discuss in many western countries.  Was World War II worth it and why?  Was Germany destroyed while protecting Europe from the east again.  The question that laid Pat Bucannan low a few months back.  Your going to cut a wide berth and go around.  Maybe you should ask WHY???

Posted by Guessedworker on November 07, 2005, 08:43 PM | #

Tom is a personal acquaintance for whom I have great respect.  He has a shining integrity and he possesses what can, I think, fairly be called a beautiful mind.  At the time he agreed to blog for us he was working in the Croatian Embassy in London.  At the moment he is still working for the Croatian diplomatic core but back in Zagreb.  He is not free to make a long-term committment to blogging, and I have not pressed him on the matter.  I hope this will change.

Posted by RobertinArabia on December 31, 2005, 01:48 AM | #

http://www.national-socialism.us/
Grand Ayatollah Calls for Examining Holocaust Claim

12/29/2005

Grand Ayatollah Naser Makarem Shirazi, the great Shiite source of emulation, stressing the need for freedom of speech called Islamic and western thinkers and intellectuals to form an international committee to investigate into different aspects of the Holocaust claim, Rasa website reported.

The grand Ayatollah saying this added that the Zionists say Nazi Germany killed some six million Jews in concentration camps and nobody should deny this, and this is in essence censorship of history.

“Anyone who questions this historical event in Europe will end up in prison. It is unprecedented in history that someone be jailed for speaking about a historical event; however, today denial or even expressing doubt about the Holocaust will mean imprisonment, as we have seen some historians in Germany and France imprisoned for this very reason” he said.

“It does no harm to anyone to discuss Holocaust in order to shed light on the event” he added.

The great Shiite source of emulation referred to Israel’s massacre of the Palestinians an said “From the west’s point of view it is alright for Israelis to slaughter Palestinians, even the so called human rights organizations are standing silently by, but questioning the authenticity of the Holocaust is a crime.”

The grand Ayatollah called for a conference on the issue at which Muslim and western scholars study the authenticity of the claims by Israelis as well as the history of the formation of Israel as an occupier.

[Source: Iranian Quran News Agency]