How Many Jews Died at the World Trade Center on 911?

Posted by Guessedworker on September 05, 2008, 11:56 AM | #

Given the nature of business done in the towers, I would expect that a quarter to a third of victims would be Jewish - probably higher at senior manager levels.  Perhaps the next step, Robert, is to determine the seniority of Jewish victims within their organisations, using the bios that are available.  How many senior managers died?  How many partners?  Or were they substantially lower-order employees?

Posted by onetwothree on September 05, 2008, 12:33 PM | #

One early morning at 3 AM, Norma Goldstein received a lonely phone call. After 20 consecutive rings she finally answered:

NG: Hello?

AF: Norma, this is Ari Fleischer of the Mossad. We are coordinating an attack on your workplace tomorrow morning.
So, it would be best if you took a personal day or something.

NG: Okay, thanks. [goes back to bed, confidant that she still has enough personal days for terrorist attacks *and* spa visitations]

C’mon.

Posted by Guessedworker on September 05, 2008, 01:10 PM | #

I agree, onetwothree.  That’s a point I made to Robert on Kerry Bolton’s conspiracy thread.  But the percentage of Jewish-American victims remains rather low, given that this is Manhattan and the financial world.  Maybe they happened to evacuate efficiently, no one knows.  But if senior managers and partners are substantially absent from the known Jewish victims that would at least keep the question alive ... as well, of course, as raise other questions.

Posted by Lurker on September 05, 2008, 04:03 PM | #

Odigo says workers were warned of attack - Haaretz article.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID;=/has\

The question of who warned them, is answered by “someone Jewish, with foreknowledge of the coming attacks”. Obviously this someone was either (a) a mossad operative tracking the arab terrorists or high-level close associate of one, or (b) a Jew who organized the attacks.

The above article came out in October or November of 2001—I recall reading the article on the day of publication.

Posted by JJB on September 05, 2008, 04:17 PM | #

it’s ridiculous to believe ‘jews’ were warned in advance. Israeli government linked companies? Sure. individual jews? not possible. This allegation is worthy of Al-Zawahiri or some other dumb towelhead.

There are real conspiracies / covert ethnic activism involving jews and us (as described by K.MacDonald in The Culture of Critique) but this isn’t one of them.

Posted by Dave Johns on September 05, 2008, 04:48 PM | #

“it’s ridiculous to believe ‘jews’ were warned in advance.”

Agreed.

On a typical day, at least 50,000 people worked there, plus approximately 200,000 visitors passed through. If Jews comprised a mere 15% of those that worked at the WTC, then most of the 7,500 of them would have to have been in on the conspiracy. Furthermore, in order for the conspiracy to be successful, those participating in it would have to carry that secret information to the grave.

Human nature being what it is—hyper Jewish community cohesion notwithstanding—informs us such a massive conspiracy and its successful cover-up is not possible.

Posted by Red Mercury on September 05, 2008, 09:32 PM | #

How many Jews died at the World Trade Center on 9/11? In light of views such as Harold Meyerson’s at the Washington Post, clearly not enough. More, please.

Posted by Guessedworker on September 05, 2008, 09:49 PM | #

Bad joke, Red.

Dave,

The first plane hit at 8.45 am.  The financial business runs round-the-clock.  The guys who are in early tend to be the movers and shakers, not the support staff, and not visitors.  So one might expect a fair sprinkling of senior people among the victims. If senior managers and partners were represented among the Jewish victims, that’s the end of the matter.  I don’t say that they were, but it would be better to know.

Posted by John on September 06, 2008, 03:40 AM | #

You are repeating a straw man argument originally made to deflect attention from the fact that no Israelis died in the attacks on the twin towers.

Posted by gnome on September 06, 2008, 04:33 AM | #

it’s ridiculous to believe ‘jews’ were warned in advance. Israeli government linked companies? Sure. individual jews? not possible. This allegation is worthy of Al-Zawahiri or some other dumb towelhead.

Interesting topic. However, if one does analyze how Jews interests are promoted it’s obvious they flow along elite channels. So quite right, the information would be naturally contained within such channels.

Posted by Takahata Joe on September 06, 2008, 05:13 AM | #

Of course they were warned beforehand!

It’s all part of the massive Jewish conspiracy, didn’t you know?

It operates out of the Zionist headquarters in Antarctica, run by Jerry Seinfeld, who alternates between comedy and seeking world domination. 

What a silly post you made here.  Weren’t warned beforehand?  Don’t make silly assertions.

Posted by Guessedworker on September 06, 2008, 09:51 AM | #

Joe,

These are the three possibilities:-

1) The near-complete absence of Israelis killed in the attacks has a simple explanation that is not yet in the public domain.

or

2) Israelis were forewarned, and offered no such cautionary advice to their American kinfolk.

or

3) Israelis were forewarned, and offered advice on a highly confidential basis to some American kinfolk, most likely individuals of substance.

Or you could argue that plenty of Israelis were killed in the attacks, and the whole thing’s a sick sham.  In which case, please name them.

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on September 06, 2008, 03:01 PM | #

If Israelis were warned beforehand, you can be assured they were of the eminence grise type only.  Same goes for American Jews for that matter.

I like Yggdrasil’s take; the conspiracy has been to downplay Jewish suffering on 9/11, not cover up for the lack.  This makes it easier for the media to portray 9/11 as a punch to America’s breadbasket, rather than what it really was - a punch to her big Jewish nose.

Posted by Robert Reis on September 06, 2008, 03:26 PM | #

The number of Israeli citizens who were not American citizens who were killed at the WTC has been reported as a minimum of one. The highest number I have seen reported is three.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 06, 2008, 03:31 PM | #

Whatever other proofs there are that Jewish officeworkers weren’t forewarned, the simplest and strongest is if they had been, 99% of them (and I’m sure 100%) would divulge it.  Certainly after the attack, they would.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 06, 2008, 03:33 PM | #

I’m talking about American Jewish officeworkers. 

(I don’t know what the issues are with any Israelis who were there, whether they were there in some special capacity, etc.)

Posted by Marianne on September 06, 2008, 08:19 PM | #

This just won’t go away.  In addition to the “Blood Libel” we will forever be saddled with the “Tower Libel” or whatever you want to call it.  So stupid.  So sick. So sad.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 06, 2008, 08:42 PM | #

Marianne, at least Jews are permitted to argue against the Tower Libel, presenting their case, something they don’t permit Euros to do against the Holocaust Libel, a far more morally criminal libel against the German nation and people.  By the way, haven’t you heard about the latest scholarship and research that concludes the Blood Libel wasn’t a libel but true?  The best current research concludes that the Medieval and Renaissance eras in Europe and even into the modern era (if memory serves, there was one credible case as recently as the early 1800s) did indeed see cases of credible kidnapping and ritual murder of young Euro children by Jews for Jewish religious purposes.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 06, 2008, 09:02 PM | #

One scholar, a professor at a university in Israel, was forced by Jewish pressure to renounce his findings to the effect the “Blood Libel” was no libel, and halt publication of his book which as a result is hard or impossible to find.  The Jews also made it that an English translation of Solzhenitsyn’s book on the Jews couldn’t be published.  Books and research Jews don’t like they aggressively seek to suppress. 

This is the equivalent of the book-burning the Jews are always condemning the German National Socialists for.  If it was so bad then, why do the Jews do the equivalent now?

Marianne, may I ask why Jews as a race (or ethnic group, whichever you prefer) don’t permit freedom of speech once they acquire the power to influence lawmaking and legal prosecutions?  How come they so often behave like the most shocking, disgusting totalitarians?  Are Jews afraid of the truth getting out?  What truth scares them so badly?  Which truth are they afraid of getting out?  Can you cite the one piece of truth they’re most scared of, the one fragment of truth they absolutely do NOT want to become widely known? 

The Jews insist the United States is a proposition nation but clearly they don’t believe in the propositions, such as freedom of speech, on which the U.S. Second Republic (not the nation but the Second Republic) was founded.  (The nation has been here since Plymouth Rock and Jamestown, is racial in part, and is not going anywhere:  it’s here to stay and the Jews will not be able to immigration it out of racial existence — a racial core will remain and will reconstitute the whole better than ever.)

Are the Jews going to permit freedom of speech and freedom of thought at some future time, or are we stuck in our present brutal Jewish totalitarian thought-control lockdown until such time in the future as Jewish power over our societies fades and we can breathe again? 

Please reply, Marianne, if you know the answers to any of these questions.  I’m sure I’m not the only one who is looking for answers.  Thank you.

Incidentally, I’m no WASP but I don’t want to live under Jewish hegemony.  Jewish hegemony is an unmitigated disaster.  I want the old WASP hegemony back (with certain WASPS, such as the Bush family, arrested and given fair trials of course).

Posted by Dave Johns on September 06, 2008, 09:16 PM | #

“So sick.”

No, Marianne, what these people stand for is what’s really sick:

http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/lfw/images/Morris_Dees/Morris_Dees_0001.jpg

http://libcom.org/files/imagecache/thumb/files/images/library/100702ignatievnoel[1].jpg

http://www.nazis.de/inidia/susan_sontag_friedenspreis_buchhandels_2003.jpg

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/uploads/abe_foxman_claw.jpg

Top to bottom - Morris Dees, Noel Ignateive, Susan Sontag, and the big turd himslf, Abe Foxman.

I could provide thousands more, but I think you get the picture. (pun intended.)

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 06, 2008, 09:30 PM | #

Abe Foxman is a walking talking mass of seething frothing spitting twitching convulsing Euro hatred, Marianne. 

Do you have anything to say about that?  What are your own thoughts on Abe Foxman?  May we, the victims who are on the receiving end of Foxman’s pure, unsurpassed-in-world-history ethnic hate, know your thoughts?

Posted by AZ on September 06, 2008, 09:41 PM | #

“1) The near-complete absence of Israelis killed in the attacks has a simple explanation that is not yet in the public domain.”

Barriers to entry.  To work in a company based in the World Trade Center one has to overcome barriers to entry such as English fluency, SEC or CFTC licensing, CPA licensing, have a college degree, etc.  The companies tend to be specialized in finance and finance is a regulated industry.  Israelis who come to work in New York generally go into fields with minimal barriers to entry.  They like jobs which are paid in cash.  Jobs such as working in bars and resaurants.....  btw, many Israelis who come to work in New York do so in order to avoid the draft, that is, they are 18 or 19....and haven’t yet been to college.

Posted by remnant on September 07, 2008, 10:35 PM | #

That Israeli natonals were tipped off is a matter of public record.How far the message reached in the diaspora chain is most likely commensurate on the individuals connection to organized Israeli philanthropy/Zion collectives etc.
I can say from experience that Wall St. Jewish execs are extremely involved in Israeli giving-and this extends to their Goyim counterparts if they want to stay in the Club.Criminal cousins Ace ( Bear Stearns) and Maurice (AIG) Greenberg are examples known for their Zionist causes.Interestingly, H. Lutnick ( Cantor CEO) was late for work on 9/11, but his brother was not- Both were absent the day of the ‘93 bombing.
In regards to the comments above about our upstanding Israeli immigrants , I can only reply with the following:

My personal friend who walked out of the towers from the 43rd floor was a partner with an Israeli. He had sponsored him for a Visa,along with subsequent Israelis hired at his request.I estimate the number at 10-12,several whom I had met personally.A few of these individuals had related to me some of their “extracurricular activities"- among which included assasination in various countries. To those skeptics who think that internet accounts of Sayanim are urban legend, I can only say “ stay tuned!”...In short, all the Israelis were absent on 9/11 without exception; My friend who had helped them all obtain employment and residency was left in the dark ( such a deal!) - but fortunately made it out down the stairs along with the other employees.
The memorable takeaway I have from my encounter with these Israelis is that they are not secretive or tactful at all in their demeanor. Rather ,very brazen about what they know they can get away with; here-and worldwide.
They speak very openly about their intentions with a hubris I would describe as “ drunk with power.”

At this late date,and in light of all the readily available documented evidence, I find the hesitancy to single out Jews as a danger to our existence very disconcerting.

Posted by Robert Reis on September 09, 2008, 03:36 AM | #

Impressive article on 911 at

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/34340.html

Posted by Robert Reis on September 11, 2008, 08:56 PM | #

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/
Gates of Vienna News Feed 9/10/2008

teacher.paris said…
Aside from Mr. Rubin getting the year wrong for the 911 events, he apparently believes that people are so naive that they believe the official narrative of 911.

It is absurd to believe that the airlines were sufficient to cause the destruction at the World Trade Center.
“If you look at footage of the fall of each Tower--footage that’s available on many sites online-you can see several phenomena that can’t be explained by the building’s potential gravitational energy. The acronym of E. P. V. S. S. helps to break down the phenomena that you can see. E for Explosiveness--the instantaneous, violent, horizontal thrust of matter at the very start of each Tower’s destruction. P for Pulverization--90,000 tons of concrete slabs in each Tower blown to 100-micron particles instantaneously. V for Velocity--steel beams shot sideways as far as 500 feet at 100-feet-per-second early in each Tower’s fall. One S for Speed--the rate at which the Towers fell, a rate close to free-fall, a rate identical for both matter falling through the footprint area of those 47 central steel columns and falling through the air outside each Tower’s footprint area. And the last S for Symmetry--each Tower plummeting straight-down like a disintegrating elevator instead of toppling as dozens of other skyscrapers have in earthquakes.” -
Don Paul

9/11/2008 3:40 AM

latté island said…
As much as I support free speech for all, the above troll is merely annoying without contributing anything to this conversation.

9/11/2008 4:33 AM

teacher.paris said…
Latté island,
Facts are stubborn things. Pity you cannot deal with them.

9/11/2008 7:21 AM

dymphna said…
teacher.paris --

Your theories remind me of the old saying: “we grow to deserve whatever it is we need to believe”.

What you describe as “facts” are simply theories. They are your particular notions, derived from the writer you quote.

Or maybe you did a first-hand inspection for months of the Ground Zero site, the crater in Pennsylvania, and the destruction at the Pentagon? At the very least, this up close investigation must have taken you more than a year, right?

The collapse of the Towers was not “instantaneous”, as you claim. Nor do your theories address what happened in D.C. and Pennsylvania, not to mention all the ancillary evidence left by the 9/11 murderers...going all the way back to Germany, where they began plotting this.

Latté Island is correct: you are being annoying. If you continue on this subject, I’ll delete any further comments. We don’t need or want troofer material degrading the comments section of our blog.

I have seen other bloggers tell you this and so I will add my voice to the chorus—go get your own blog. You can build your cloud castles there.

You’re free to believe that little gremlins lurking in the basements of the Twin Towers set off explosives. Whatever makes your clock tick...Just don’t indulge those fantasies out loud on this blog again.

No more comments about the Twin Towers. None. Nada.

Consider yourself warned, teach.

Posted by Guessedworker on September 11, 2008, 10:07 PM | #

If it wasn’t Muslims, Muslims, Muslims all the way, where would Dymphna and Commander Bodi-whatever be?  You were attacking their reason for existing, Robert.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 11, 2008, 10:28 PM | #

Well said by Guessedworker just above.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 11, 2008, 10:41 PM | #

No, I for one am not into alternative explanations of 9-11 (like James Kalb, and unlike Paul Craig Roberts, I see no solid reason, so far, to doubt the standard version) but GW’s comment about Baron Oddity Baron Nullity Baron Irrelevancy Baron (what was his name again?) and their site was a bullseye.

Posted by Othelma_Jr on September 13, 2008, 10:27 AM | #

The Odigo stuff convinces me that something is going on here.

When one considers that the jewish-zionists (who were working with Adolf Eichmann) were more then willing to let half of Europes jews die in the holocaust as motivation to get the other half to move to Israel then it becomes clear that jews will let other jews die to further the goals of their Group Evolutionary Strategy.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 13, 2008, 01:08 PM | #

“the jewish-zionists (who were working with Adolf Eichmann) were more then willing to let half of Europes jews die in the holocaust” (—Othelma Jr.)

Neither Eichmann nor Jabotinsky was aware of a German plan to kill Jews.  Maybe that’s because there wasn’t any, just a plan, starting in 1942, to put lots of them in camps as Roosevelt put lots of Japs, Germans, and Italians in camps with no plan to kill them.  Lots of Jews in the camps ended up dying of unplanned disease and unplanned starvation.  Lots of Japs, Germans, and Italians would’ve ended up the same way — dead of starvation or disease, or walking skeletons — had the U.S. been as pulverized as Germany was by war’s end.  It happened in the Revolutionary War (notorious Brit POW camp in Manhattan took able-bodied young men in, and turned them into corpses or walking skeletons), it happened in Lincoln’s War of Northern Aggression (Andersonville in Dixie and, to some extent, Elmira in the North’s New York State), it happened in the Boer War (Boer men, women, and children plus lots of Negro natives starved to death and killed by disease in Brit camps), it happened in the Jewish-conceived Soviet Russian concentration camps from 1917 onward, it happened in the WW-II Jap POW camps (U.S. and British men turned into skeletons and corpses from disease and starvation):  starving human skeletons walking around or just barely, and dropping like flies of disease.  It’s a prison camp phenomenon in wartime or other times of extreme hardship and penury such as under Jewish bolshevism, not a Nazi phenomenon.

Posted by Robert Reis on September 13, 2008, 04:04 PM | #

Some light reading for Fred,

250+ 9/11 ‘Smoking Guns’ Found in the Mainstream Media
http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html

THE TOP 40
REASONS TO DOUBT THE OFFICIAL STORY OF SEPTEMBER 11th, 2001
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646

The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie
by Dr. David Ray Griffin
Sunday, May 22, 2005

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404

Cheers,

Robert

Posted by Against you racists on September 23, 2008, 07:41 PM | #

I would like to point out to you fucking kkk trash that if you want 2 be hacked,keep running your mouths.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 23, 2008, 08:06 PM | #

What’s the matter, can’t you best us in an argument, “Against you racists”?  Why the strong-arm tactics?  We ask only to be allowed to speak.  Your side doesn’t think we should be allowed to speak.  Oh right, I forgot, that’s why we’re the “Nazis” and “fascists” and totalitarians, we ask only to be allowed to speak.  And that’s why you guys are the nice guys, the “democrats,” the ones who “respect everyone’s rights,” you want to suppress, you want to shut down, you want to muzzle, you want to punish.  Right, we’re the “Nazis, “fascists,” and “totalitarians,” and you’re the “nice guys.” Yeah.  I think I’ve got it now, I think I’ve got how the game is played.  It’s all starting to fall into place.

In more ways than one.

Posted by EA (European American) Steve on September 24, 2008, 03:53 AM | #

I would like to point out to you fucking kkk trash that if you want 2 be hacked,keep running your mouths.

Posted by Against you racists on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 at 07:41 PM | #

I don’t agree with everything posted/commented on this site, however, I believe in the right to free speech. I think it’s inappropriate to threaten to hack a website just because you don’t agree with the content therein. It also provides ammunition, for your opponents, making you the ‘bad guy.’

I also realize the KKK is officially anti-Semetic at this time; however, I don’t believe the Klan should concern itself with anti-Jewish issues. A Klan purist should and would agree with me. I also don’t support violence (with the Birmingham bombing of 4 black girls at Sunday school as a prime example).

Aside from that, I have no KKK connection, and find such a link a fallacy.

This site has not broken any federal and/or state laws, and/or local ordinaces, and therefore has the right to free speech. Hacking, on the other hand, is illegal, and open to prosecution.

Posted by benny on September 24, 2008, 09:01 AM | #

Dude, let me guess. Half Jewish, half islander? The idea is to get the jewish brains and the islander brawn—not the other way around ( sucker).

Posted by Maccabeus on April 13, 2009, 05:53 AM | #

Scrooby, you know your stuff, my man. You have obviously been reading vast quantities of pseudo-science and revisionist history. Look, I’m sorry that you never got into a decent college where you could learn about actual history, and I am similarly sorry that your girlfriend left you for a Jewish guy, but really, must you throw in with the Nazi-sympathizer baloney just to get even with the world?  You are a sad little man.

BTW, when I went to the recent Jewish World Domination Meeting your name came up, congratulations, the committe has voted you douche-bag of the year.

P.S. Yer a big dummy but I love you. Gimme hug, papa bear wants to get his paws on you.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 13, 2009, 01:23 PM | #

If it’s all so straightforward, Maccabeus, why the need for the Jewish lockdown on discussions of it by scholars in Europe?  Why can’t it be openly discussed, debated, and disputed like any other subject in world history?  When officialdom forbids the open expression of certain points of view, the sole permitted point of view clearly is at least suspect as to its veracity, no?  In this case a little more investigation is all that’s needed to conclude, at a minimum, the evidence “supporting” the officially-permitted view turns out not to exist, and when you get somewhat further into it, the evidence showing it couldn’t have happened is persuasive.  And what does the other side offer in rebuttal to that?  Lockdown.

Who are the biggest Holocau$t deniers?  The Jews.  By imposing this Jewish lockdown on scholarly inquiry and free speech and debate they are doing the equivalent of shouting out to the whole world that they have something to hide:  the Holocau$t didn’t happen as claimed.

The Jewish-imposed punishment of divergent opinion among scholars in Europe was what got me initially skeptical of the official story.  Who, therefore, got me skeptical?  Who gave me the first hints the story might not be true?  The Jews.  I believed it before the Jews started getting people thrown into jail.  Then I began to be more open to the expression of doubts about it.

Don’t attack me, Maccabeus.  Attack the Jewish totalitarians for spilling the beans.

Posted by Lurker on April 13, 2009, 02:18 PM | #

Fred, half the time I dont know whether its even worth bothering to debate with these kinds of mouth breathers. You’re worth a thousand of them. Even that idiot Sarah Briggs from Durban was more of an opponent - thats not saying much though!

Posted by Jericho Falls on April 14, 2009, 03:15 AM | #

People like you drop your “heavily researched” studies with ignorance as to where all of the proof of the holocaust exists...in the Nazi archives. The Third Reich was great at many things: making the trains run on time, the wholesale slaughter of innocent civillians, and record keeping. More than 50 million pages of documentation exist detailing the holocaust. And these documents contain the proof of not just Jewish deaths, but of gays, political prisoners, etc. There is no shortage of proof. On top of that we have films, photos, eye witness accounts of prisoners, guards, townsfolk, and allied soldiers. You think the men of Easy comp[any lied about the camp they liberated?

It boils down to the same things Maccabeus said, you are simply a slob with a problem with Jewish people. And that’s your right. You can be hateful, you can be prejudiced, and you can spread lies all you want; the consensus of the world remains intact, the holocaust was very real and was indeed a genocide.

BTW...check out 60 Minutes, they did a huge piece on Nazi archives recently.

Am Yisrael Chai

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 14, 2009, 04:18 AM | #

The standard claim is six million Jews were murdered by the Germans, gas chambers were used, and there was a German plan to kill Europe’s Jews.  The best available evidence fails to support those claims:  in particular, there were no gas chambers for killing people and nobody was killed in a gas chamber.  The number of Jews who died directly as a result of being interned in concentration camps (none were gassed) or who were shot down in massacres by local anti-communist militias as the Germans advanced eastward, liberating suffering Christian populations from the Jewish (Bolshevik) yoke as they advanced, was in the low hundreds-of-thousands, not six million.  If there’s a dispute as to any of this, the Jews and communists( * ) should agree to the rescinding of the various Jewish-instigated laws in Canada and Continental Europe that forbid questioning the standard version so scholars can debate it thoroughly.  As things stand, scholars are afraid to engage in open debate, out of fear of being heavily fined or jailed by the Jews.
______

( * Laurent Fabius, of the Stalinist “Fabius-Gayssot Law” in France outlawing all questioning of the standard version of the Holocau$t, was a Jew, and Gayssot a communist.)

Posted by Jericho Falls on April 14, 2009, 04:42 AM | #

THANK YOU. I was wondering what particular brand of fake information you were quoting and now I see that it is the same old crap that has been recirculated and re-packaged for years. No Jews were gassed, germans liberated Christians in Russia, etc. Same tired anti-semtic material from a coward.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 14, 2009, 11:30 AM | #

What determines whether it’s crap or not is free scholarly debate.  You and I aren’t chemical engineers or university professors of history — why are real chemical engineers and real university professors of history forbidden to open their mouths on this subject?  Why are some dozens of men crushed by heavy fines, legal debts, and loss of livelihood, or actually rotting in jail right now as we speak, even extradited from foreign countries they had fled to for protection, for daring to question the standard story?  Why are an unknown number of others afraid to enter the discussion for fear of what the Jewish totalitarians will do to them and their families?  What are the Jews afraid of if the standard story is so “obviously true”?  Are men thrown in jail for saying the world is flat or the moon made of green cheese?  Why won’t the Jews permit scholarly debate to take place in Continental Europe or Canada?  I keep waiting for you to reply that it’s not the Jews who’ve instigated the laws punishing free debate in this matter, so that I can move on to the next step, but you won’t reply to that particular part, whether by denying Jewish culpability or otherwise.  What’s the answer?  Why the Jewish lockdown?  I’m a “coward” for calling for an end to the lockdown and open inquiry, yet the Jews are brave for stifling all that?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 14, 2009, 12:00 PM | #

Winning arguments for your side is no longer as easy as trotting out the tired, meaningless, ineffectual and increasingly ignored “anti-Semitic” riposte, by the way — once an immediate show-stopper, today it’s become a yawn.  Any other arrows in your quiver?

Posted by Jericho Falls on April 15, 2009, 03:17 AM | #

You want so badly for me to address your claim of a “Jewish Lockdown” on holocaust denialism. I have not responded because it is tantamount to you asking me to explain why the tooth fairy won’t give the Easter Bunny a free toothbrush...it is meaningless to me. I do not care if there is a lockdown or not, I am arguing that you and all other denialists are idiots and, yes indeed, anti-semitic. Now you seem to have a beef with that word so let’s just say “ignorant bigot” instead. And why?  Because you, like many caucasian Europeans and some North Americans of anglo-Christian descent cannot stand it when another group of caucasians has a unique identity different from yours which they value, defend, and whose history they hold sacred. Likewise you are so insecure in you life that you believe that anyone who has ties to places that you do not is suspect of treachery.

By the way, the United States has absolutely no limit on what people can say regarding the holocaust AND the stiffest anti-Nazi laws are in Germany and Austria where NO Jews run the government...know why, becuase they were all murdered. The laws come from gentiles who want their country to be a moral one. The problem with your argument is that it holds no water. There is no Zionist conspiracy secretly trying to discredit you, instead it is an overwheliming deluge of genuine data coupled with governments dedicated to never again repeating the crimes of their past.

But hey, scream all you like about this, you might as well also rave about how creationism should be taught in public schools, how the moon landing was probably faked, and how Sonny Liston was never hit by Mohammed Ali.

By the way...everyone knows you’re an anti-semite and it is sad.

Posted by Lurker on April 15, 2009, 03:48 AM | #

Come on Jericho, dont just toss away a passing reference to 60 Minutes. Lets have a handy link to these extensive Nazi era records on-line, the ones that prove the holocaust.

Why is that the 6 million death toll is said to be derived - insofar as its derived from any evidence at all - from crudely comparing pre and post WW2 census figures rather than any reference to the extensive records?

On top of that we have films, photos, eye witness accounts of prisoners, guards, townsfolk, and allied soldiers.

Im not aware we have any photos and films at all. Tell us where these films and photos can be seen then.

More than 50 million pages of documentation exist detailing the holocaust

I presume thats a reference to the ITS archive at Bad Arolsen in Germany. Its funny, we dont hear a whole lot about that now, the archive was going to prove the holocaust story.

Check out this story about the archive Jericho. I choose it because its replicated more than once across the internet.

Here is a little gem:

At the heart of the long dispute over Bad Arolsen is the question of whether the facility is an archive or a tracing service. It started as the latter. As the war was winding down, starting in 1943, the Red Cross collected millions of documents seized by the Nazis.

Get this, the Nazis are in the middle of industrialized mass-murder and what do they do? Hand over their records to the Red Cross. Because they thought they would win the war? Funny, the article actually says the war was winding down - and not in Germany’s favour.

This next one is a classic, I remember the BBC featured this exact same story (with the same omissions) when the archives were opened.

Forty-eight people were shot at two-minute intervals on April 20, 1942-a present to Hitler on his birthday. “Anyone else would have just shot them and buried them in a mass grave,” Jost says, sliding the cabinet closed. “Not the SS. They wrote it all down.”

Not pleasant, but what they dont add is that these were not Jews. They were captured Yugoslav partisans who, under the terms of the GC, could be shot as unlawful combatants or whatever the precise terms are. So, not proof of genocide, not proof of the holocaust. Why, out of these millions of pieces of documentary proof could they not come up with a single solid holocaust story. Arrest, deportation, incarceration and final murder of at least one Jewish victim.

So far, two thirds of the archive has been scanned. Yet genealogists and historians hoping for quick answers may be in for a letdown.

Whats this, quick answers. But these records prove the holocaust. Surely reputable researchers have already been through all these records, if they have not then what have they been using as proof in the meantime? The article makes more than one reference to the various bureaucratic problems of the archive. Yet these problems must have been surmounted decades ago when the records were used to prove the holocaust.

See, if this archive is the proof of the holocaust then that kind of implies that, prior to 2007 (when the archive was opened to a wider oversight) the holocaust was not satisfactorily proven. If the holocaust is already proven (with what evidence?) then the archive merely counts as further corroboration, so why the fuss when it was opened up?

Though the Nazis were enthusiastic recordkeepers, their crimes took place in more than a dozen countries, and victims spoke every language on the continent. The ITS has 849 different spellings of the name “Abramovich” alone. Even birthdates are unreliable. “People lied about their birthdays to seem older so they could survive selections at Auschwitz,” notes Gabriele Wilke, an ITS archivist.

So, not quite the rigorous records we have been led to believe and what are the chances these inaccuracies might drop the total below 6 million rather than increase it? I’m not holding my breath.

The article pegs itself to the story of the Mayer family and ends with this:

But, disappointingly, the file doesn’t include any information on deaths, only deportations. “I was hoping to find out when they died, what was the cause of death,” Mayer says. “This doesn’t give me the closure I was looking for.”

Oh dear, so after all that build up we end up with no iron clad proof at all.

He might, however, have made a grim guess. Belzec, a German concentration camp in what is now southeastern Poland, was one of the Nazis’ most efficient killing machines. Between March 17, 1942, and December 1942, at least half a million Jews were gassed and incinerated there, usually within hours of their arrivals.

So 50 million records and we just end up with grim guesses, not very convincing to historians I would have thought.

Posted by Lurker on April 15, 2009, 03:58 AM | #

We cross posted each other there Jericho.

When I first heard the idea of the Apollo hoax I read up on the moon landings, its one of the first times I really used the internet to research something. The more I read, the more I was convinced there was no moon hoax. The standard story is more or less correct.

When the time came to look into the holocaust I thought it would be the same. The deniers were a bunch of nutters with no consistent evidence. But this time, the more I looked, the more it seemed that it was conventional narrative that relied on very weak foundations. In evidential terms Holocaust believers seem to equate to moon landing hoaxers, the opposite of what you implied.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 15, 2009, 04:16 AM | #

Jericho Falls can’t say why there’s a Jewish lockdown on scholarly inquiry.  He can’t face the fact of its existence.  He’s in the Jewish “Just-Deny-Everything” mode, the Jewish “Deny-Two-Plus-Two-If-You-Have-To,-Whatever-You-Do,-Just-Don’t-Admit-Anything-To-The-Goys” mode.  You’ll never get them to admit anything when they’re in that mode.

As for Jewrmany, it’s a puppet state under U.S. control and not sovereign.  The U.S. would not tolerate an anti-race-replacement government there (put another way, an anti-"Jews Will Think They’ve Died And Gone To Jew-Heaven” government).

As for there being no Jews there, there are enough of them to make trouble and to push for German annihilation and their number is growing (Jewish guys just can’t keep away from those German shiksas). 

“everyone knows you’re an anti-semite” (—Jericho)

“Everyone”?  I thought only the people here knew.  My fifteen minutes of fame has finally arrived!

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 15, 2009, 04:38 AM | #

“it is an overwhelming deluge of genuine data coupled with governments dedicated to never again repeating the crimes of their past.” (—Jericho)

There is no data supporting the existence of gas chambers that were used for killing people.  As Robert Faurisson said, “Show me firm documentation that one person was killed in a gas chamber.  I don’t want documentation that two people were killed in a gas chamber, only that one was.  Just one. Show me evidence that one person was killed in a gas chamber.”

There is no firm evidence:  zero.

Posted by 6 million, 6 million...rinse, repeat on April 15, 2009, 08:03 AM | #

Hey Jericho, did you know that 6 million Jews died (or supposedly were on the verge of dying) in World War One (again, that’s WW1...NOT WW2) PLUS the 6 million that were gassed by the Nazis.  I know it’s the truth ‘cause a the governor of New Yawk told me so way back in 1919!  See, look:

- http://www.scribd.com/doc/6961043/The-Six-Million-Dead-Jews-of-World-War-One

Posted by Maccabeus on April 16, 2009, 03:57 AM | #

Found a funny pic of Faurisson ! http://www.erichufschmid.net/MasqueradeParty/Faurisson1989.JPG Looks like he had quite a night. That cut-up, he’s always getting slapped like a step child.

Of course the Faurisson bit regarding the gas chambers is tired and played, Van Pelt’s real research dispelled Faurisson’s fairy tales long ago. Not that it matters, the pseudo-historians of the so-called Journal of Historical Review will make up something else. But really, it is silly to argue, the evidence, as you all know is there, it is solid, it has been painstakingly researched and critiqued, and it has established historical fact. And there is no purpose in a debate as the facts are facts. Deborah Lipstadt and so many others have routed Irving and all the other bigots (like you girls !).

Of course it is hard to really debate any of this with denialists since, like all conspiracy theorists, you’ll always find new ways of explaining away the overwhelming consensus of historians. The best choice is ultimately not to debate at all, afterall an astronomer (like myself) would never debate an astrologer over the stars.

I just can’t help wondering why you are so afraid of Jewish people. I feel bad, it must be tough being so scared. Poor sad girls, you lose...again (first 1945 and now this, it’s pathetic).

Now off you go, those hamburgers ain’t gonna flip themselves !

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 05:03 AM | #

“it is silly to argue [whether or not the Holocau$t happened as claimed], the evidence, as you all know is there, it is solid, it has been painstakingly researched and critiqued, and it has established historical fact. And there is no purpose in a debate as the facts are facts.” (—Jericho)

This is what all Jewish totalitarians say as they justify the muzzling of debate.  The Jewish Bolsheviks were masters at it.  The problem with Jews is they’re not white — they’re not racially European.  They’re racial Asiatics with the Asiatic totalitarian mentality, a mentality incapable of grasping the concept of freedom of speech.  Only whites (Euros) are mentally and spiritually equipped to grasp that concept.  A Jew pictures freedom of speech as something he can perhaps use cynically to his advantage, or to leverage himself into power, and then shut down the instant he’s powerful enough.  That’s unfortunately how Jews think.  They spit on the principle of freedom of speech.

“an astronomer (like myself)”

Are you the one who first sighted the space ship travelling behind the comet Hale-Bopp?

“I just can’t help wondering why you are so afraid of Jewish people.”

Stumped?  OK, here’s a hint — What about their well-known penchant for subjecting Euro-race peoples to genocide?  Think that might — just might — explain it?  I dunno, it just popped into my head, I know it’s far-fetched, but just call it a hunch ......

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 05:17 AM | #

You’re Jewish I take it, right Jericho?  What’s your opinion of race-replacement immigration?

(Wow I cannot possibly imagine what this Jewish guy’s answer will be ..... Puh-leeze hurry up and answer — I’m on tenterhooks waiting to find out ..........)

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 05:20 AM | #

(After that we can ask his opinion on whether races exist — another HUGE unknown, given his ethnicity ......)

Posted by Maccabeus on April 16, 2009, 05:46 AM | #

Asiatics ?  Dude...now you’re just being a grouchy loser. I have to say that made me laugh outloud.

First, who uses the term"Asiatics"? What is this, 1920 ? Of course you wish it was 1920, then you’d have the holocaust to look forward to. Of course you claim there was no holocaust so your party would be kind of ruined. Bummer. Anyway, Asiatics is not the correct nomenclature, please, it’s Asian (or in my country Asian-American).

Second, calling Jews “Asian” is an insult ?  That’s not an insult, Asian people are great, if you don’t know that then you are missing out on some cool friends. Of course Asians are not “white” so they would not meet your metric for acceptable.

Third, your true bigotted anti-semitic colors came through brilliantly with those comments. You and your ilk try to hide your low-IQ racism behind the veil of The Journal of Historical Review; you try to make it about “truth”, “revsionism”, “scientific fact”, and “evidence-based research.” But truth be told, you’re just some dumb piece of Euro-Trash one generation removed from mouth-breathing neandethal (not to be confused with the millions of delightful and intelligent Europeans that we Americans know and love) who is, as you confessed (albeit in a confusing and ass-backwards way), desperately afraid of Jews (and now “Asiatics"). Hey, we haven’t covered black people yet, let’s hear how they are trying to steal your women and dilute your “white” blood from the population. 

But hey, rejoice, at least you are “white” and “Euro”. Sad little king of a sad little hill.

Posted by danielj on April 16, 2009, 09:41 AM | #

Found a funny pic of Faurisson ! http://www.erichufschmid.net/MasqueradeParty/Faurisson1989.JPG Looks like he had quite a night. That cut-up, he’s always getting slapped like a step child.

I believe the term, in the parlance of our times, is “assaulted” or if you prefer a lengthier, and closer to your ideological end of the spectrum, description of what occurs, “he’s always having his human right to free speech and free thought trampled upon by left-fasicsts” or to get down to brass tacks, hateful, hate-filled haters are hating on him.

Posted by danielj on April 16, 2009, 09:44 AM | #

You and your ilk try to hide your low-IQ racism

If I have a high IQ is it still “low IQ racism” dude?

Hey, we haven’t covered black people yet, let’s hear how they are trying to steal your women and dilute your “white” blood from the population.

What if they are? Can we hate them then?

But hey, rejoice, at least you are “white” and “Euro”. Sad little king of a sad little hill.

That just about says it all. You’re either Jewish (the name) or self-loathing - or - Jewish and self-loathing. All three make me cringe when taken in conjunction with your hatred for me and my kind.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 11:23 AM | #

The thugs who savagely beat Prof. Faurisson weren’t generic “leftists,” they were a pack of specifically Jewish hyenas.  Jews, by the way, aren’t “leftists.” They’re Jews.  They use “leftism” when it suits their Jewish purposes then discard it when it doesn’t.  To see them as “leftists” you have to see them as having a lot of double standards.  To see them as Jews you don’t, but can see them as perfectly consistent.

Jews are Jews, not this Jewish-invented-and-pushed term, “leftists.” The whole “right-left” thing has to be scrapped, and the sooner the better for our side.  We are not “right-wingers” whatsoever, and there’s nothing called “conservatism.” There’s normalness, degenerateness, and tribal warfare.  That’s it.  Those are the three things that explain what’s going on.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 11:43 AM | #

This Jericho guy may not be Jewish.  I’m getting the feeling he isn’t — maybe Subcon?  Oriental?  He’s also not the brightest bulb on the tree Hanukkah bush.

Notice how under Moslem hegemony you aren’t permitted to question Mohammed and under Jewish hegemony you aren’t permitted to question the Holocau$t.  The Arabs and Jews are racial cousins, both utterly clueless in regard to the concept of freedom of speech.  That concept is a racial thing, Jews wouldn’t understand.  A Jewish or Arab Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton never existed or ever could exist:  it’s a racial impossibility.  Neither Jews nor Arabs are racially capable of creating a society like the U.S. was until the Jews ruined it.  Jews and Arabs are not racially capable of creating a society in which Euro-race peoples want to live or can live.  Euro peoples perish under Jewish hegemony.  They have to throw that hegemony off if they are to survive.

Posted by Dasein on April 16, 2009, 11:54 AM | #

MAd beCause he CAn’t BE one of US has presented an impressive defense of the official narrative.  It’s a fact because it’s a fact.  Who can argue with that?  Stargazer’s got an overwhelming consensus and Jewish-promoted stereotypes to fall back on.

Jews are Jews, not this Jewish-invented-and-pushed term, “leftists.” The whole “right-left” thing has to be scrapped, and the sooner the better for our side.  We are not “right-wingers” whatsoever, and there’s nothing called “conservatism.” There’s normalness, degenerateness, and tribal warfare.  That’s it.  Those are the three things that explain what’s going on.

To some degree we are conservatives.  We want to conserve our genetic heritage (and the world’s genetic diversity).  But is that worth the label?  If I want to prevent the neighbours from making off with my car and refrigerator, would that also be ‘conservative’?  No, I think you’re right Fred.  There are normal people (us), degenerates (Whites who promote or blithely accept their replacement), and tribal warriors (Norbert Schlei et al.).

Posted by . on April 16, 2009, 12:51 PM | #

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 11:43 AM | #

Notice how under Moslem hegemony you aren’t permitted to question Mohammed

The Holy Qur’an > Surah Al-Baqarah> Verse 23
And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (if there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true. 

The Holy Qur’an > Surah Yunus> Verse 38
Or do they say, “He forged it?” Say: “Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!”

The Holy Qur’an > Surah Al-Israa> Verse 88
Say: “If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur-an they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support. 

Quran[2:256]{There is no compulsion in religion},

What then is the matter with you; how do you judge?” [Holy Quran 10:35].

LOL

Posted by . on April 16, 2009, 12:57 PM | #

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 11:43 AM | #

Notice how under Moslem hegemony you aren’t permitted to question Mohammed

Sura Kafirun

(Disbelievers)

No. 109 (Verses 1-6)

1. Say: O you disbelievers,

2. I worship not what you worship,

3. Nor do you worship Whom I worship,

4. Neither shall I worship what you worship,

5. Nor will you worship Whom I worship,

6. To you be your religion, and to me my religion.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 01:18 PM | #

Yeah when they’ve got you in your day-glo orange jumpsuit kneeling with hands tied behind your back, their cams recording the scene for posting next day on the internet, and they’ve got their knives out to start sawing your head off, don’t forget to remind them of those verses from the Koran, that’ll save you for sure, no sweat!  If only some of those guys who ended up headless on next day’s YouTube had known about that!  Bummer! Better copy those verses down, everybody, just in case — with your president going around making low bows to Arab potentates, you never know when you’ll need ‘em .... (But hey at least he hasn’t performed the kow-tow yet, the way Clarke up in Canada literally did before that Sikh altar they set up for the purpose, so I guess things could be worse .... )

Posted by raf on April 16, 2009, 03:33 PM | #

American government killed it’s people. A plane can not bring down a Steel tower, as an engineer , I can say.

Posted by not sorry on April 16, 2009, 04:24 PM | #

This is what all Jewish totalitarians say as they justify the muzzling of debate.

The muzzling of debate, the changing of the story, the outrageous witness testimonies. 

Nuremberg Tribunal on Buchenwald:

Everything had been provided for down to the smallest detail. In 1944, at Buchenwald, they had even lengthened a railway line so that the deportees might be led directly to the gas chamber. Certain [of the gas chambers] had a floor that tipped and immediately directed the bodies into the room with the crematory oven.

Elie Wiesel on Buchenwald:

“In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths each day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?”

Oh, but then Simon Wiesenthal decides, just like that, apparently, “there were no extermination camps on German soil.”

And people are supposed to be “crazy” to doubt the rest of what’s shoved down their throats?  No.  That won’t do.  It’s too much.  It’s insufferable.

The Jewish Bolsheviks were masters at it.  The problem with Jews is they’re not white — they’re not racially European.  They’re racial Asiatics with the Asiatic totalitarian mentality, a mentality incapable of grasping the concept of freedom of speech. 

Well, okay, but then doesn’t that say something about you?  Going by your own logic, it’s got to say something doesn’t it? 

And don’t you ever think about who you’re dealing with?  People who quote favorably people who said things like “Suppose that the Jews’ characteristically big lie were the truth—that the Germans really had made a desperate attempt to rid themselves of their parasites by killing six million of them. If the Germans had done that, what of it? Why should Aryans be concerned about that effort at national sanitation?” Being an Aryan means never having to say you’re sorry, or even feel it, it seems. That fellow quoting Revilo Oliver is apparently a professor at a US university.  Pretty intense, eh?  But then if you think about it, out of, say, fifty million nordic adult males in the US, if even only one in one hundred thousand had racial feelings this intense (a safe bet for sure), a few dozen of them would be intelligent enough to be professors, who’d then write articles for publications like the Occ Quarterly bemoaning the difficulty of getting the other 49,599,500 nordic adult males to feel the same way.  But why do you, a half-jew, suck up to these people?  Why do you adopt their tone, their rhetoric?  Why don’t you ever dismiss them as the scum of cosmic proportions that they are?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 04:44 PM | #

To the poster just above:  I’m not the subject here.  Race-replacement is.  People don’t come here to read about members of the commentariat.  They come to see discussions of the issues.  That said, if I have time later I’ll reply briefly to your questions.  Right at the moment I haven’t time.

There is a race.  It’s called the white race.  It’s being aggressively race-replaced as we speak.  That sounds insane.  It happens to be true.  The prime movers are the Jews.  That also sounds insane.  It also happens to be true.  This genocide unfolding right under our noses in broad daylight has to be halted and demographic changes already inflicted undone until full restoration of the way things were.

That’s the issue.  The issue is “how to get there from here.”

Posted by Captainchaos on April 16, 2009, 09:37 PM | #

Elie Wiesel on Buchenwald:

“In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths each day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?”

Revisionists contend the extermination of that many individuals daily, an by extension the large numbers proposed killed over the years alleged, is a feat of technical impossibility.  Elie Wiesel, who was apparently lucky nigh astronomical proportions, choose to flee with the retreating Germans (who he alleges were trying to exterminate him) instead of being “liberated” by the Russians; hmmm. 

You are not a very accomplished troll.

Posted by Suck My Cock on April 17, 2009, 12:38 AM | #

Alley the Wesel should be put to death.  As should all jew niggers who dare to blood-libel our people.  Death to USJOG!

Posted by Suck My Cock on April 17, 2009, 12:48 AM | #

There is a race.  It’s called the white race.  It’s being aggressively race-replaced as we speak.  That sounds insane.  It happens to be true.  The prime movers are the Jews.  That also sounds insane.  It also happens to be true.  This genocide unfolding right under our noses in broad daylight has to be halted and demographic changes already inflicted undone until full restoration of the way things were.
>Scrooby-Dooby

Full restoration might not be possible without extreme violence.  And I urge extreme violence!  “No change of place can save our race; only a change of mind can save our kind.” - R. Frenz.

Posted by Lurker on April 17, 2009, 12:53 AM | #

But why do you, a half-jew, suck up to these people?  Why do you adopt their tone, their rhetoric?  Why don’t you ever dismiss them as the scum of cosmic proportions that they are?

So what? ‘These people’ arent in charge, they arent running things, dictating policy. If the holocaust story isnt true then ‘these people’ have never been in control. Its just talk. Actions are something else.

But another group are in control and they get to screw us over, they get to make the action, so very sorry, but they are going to have to take some crap for that every now and again.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 17, 2009, 01:12 AM | #

”doesn’t that say something about you?” (— the poster signing as “not sorry,” who I think is probably Silver)

It says societies created by Jewish populations won’t have certain characteristics of Euro societies which many value very highly. 

”Going by your own logic, it’s got to say something [about you] doesn’t it?”

I have some Jewish blood.  (Big deal.) Genetics and the Law of Large Numbers dictate that a society made up of people like me will differ from one made up of Euros or one made up of Jews. 

”And don’t you ever think about who you’re dealing with?”

I’m not reponsible for the statements of others and am under no obligation, moral, intellectual, or otherwise, to go around identifying all statements by all commentators I agree with and all I disagree with.  You want to know what I think of someone’s statement?  Ask and if it’s not off-topic I’ll tell you.  I’m not the universal arbiter of statements. 

”But why do you, a half-jew, suck up to these people?  Why do you adopt their tone, their rhetoric?”

1) I suck up to no one.  I adopt no one’s tone or rhetoric.  2) I deal in truths to the best of my ability.  Does a half-Jew say 2 + 2 = 5?  Or does he say 2 + 2 = 4 like everybody else?  Truths are the same for half-Jews, for Jews, and for “these people.”

”Why don’t you ever dismiss them as the scum of cosmic proportions that they are?”

I dunno, could it be because protesting all the shit, genocide, and crimes against humanity the Jews are constantly pulling and debunking all the lies they’re constantly telling is such a full-time job, it leaves me no extra time?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 17, 2009, 01:28 AM | #

“Genetics and the Law of Large Numbers dictate that a society made up of people like me will differ from one made up of Euros” (—my last comment above)

Explanation for Silver and for those living in Rio Linda:

But I’m not seeking to preserve “a society made up of people like me”:  in 1965 when the Jews began changing this country from white to Negro it wasn’t populated by people like me.  It was populated by the people it was populated by.  I want it back.  I demand it back.  I or my descendants will have it back.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 17, 2009, 02:36 AM | #

Lurker a few comments above makes a very good point:  the ones whose rhetoric Silver agonizes over aren’t in a position to do anything, whereas the ones whose rhetoric is just as bad — Jews who’ve come and said they want whites racially done away with (Noël Ignatiev; indirectly but nevertheless unmistakably Alon Ziv; and innumerable others) or decimated to where they are demographically too crippled to even defend themselves let alone “threaten” anyone (Earl Raab and, again, innumerable others both directly and indirectly) — the ones whose rhetoric is just as bad as what he agonizes over are actually putting their genocidal plans into effect as we speak.  Which is in more urgent need of being resisted?

Posted by Ikale Tahi on April 17, 2009, 02:52 AM | #

Alon Ziv’s argument for interracial marriage is one that guarantees a brighter and better future for all. You should stop running away from change and instead embrace the coming together of men and women of all races and creeds. And read Ziv’s book, you will see that he has in mind what is best for us all.

Posted by EA Steve on April 17, 2009, 04:00 AM | #

Ikale Tahi, there are so many reasons why massive racial intermixing into one Global Race is a bad idea. Firstly, Australian Aborignees, Maoris, Pygmies, and I believe Bushmen, who have very low average IQ’s, make average pure Black Africans look bright, and most African-Americans very bright. And this is a lower standard than for Hispanics, Arabs, American Indians, White Caucasians, and Asians. How would these demographic groups benefit from lower IQ’s?

Also, constant race-mixing delays evolutionary change, which is a necessity! It’s quite difficult to adapt to Ireland’s relative lack of sunlight (or in Germany, if every German “princess” wants to emulate Heidi Klum), if Europeans keep intermixing with Black Africans and Australian Aboriginees; no? Also, I don’t see how the Han Chinese are better adapted to harsh winters, if they keep intermixing with Mexicans and Peruvians!

I know we have modern technology and housing. However, that works only to an extent. Many in the North still have to deal with very cold winters, when outside or without electrical power. Many in the South still have to deal with heat and bright sunlight, when outside, in spite of Air Conditioning and Sun Lotion. These are still variable differences, even if they are slightly less different. Plus, electrical power could go out for Weeks or even months at a time. In hot August, think of a big Hurricane striking Miami and South Florida, and striking out power for weeks; or a blizzard knocking out heating in Northern Minnesota, in the middle of the cold, sub-zero winter. Electrical power and modern day conveniences are not always guaranteed.

The Western World is also de-industrializing, and is actually on pace to eventually become a part of the Third-World itself. If this trend doesn’t stop, the U.S., Canada, and Europe will eventually not be able to afford adequate air conditioning and/or heating, this century! So much for your “don’t be adapted for extremely warm or cold environments” idea!

Posted by EA Steve on April 17, 2009, 04:14 AM | #

Also, Ikale Tahi, Biodiversity is a necessity for the Homo Sapien species, just as it is for every other species. Biodiversity helps limit the spread of Global Pandemics. Plus, if you wanted the “Human Race” (really Human Species) to survive, you want it adapted to all or at least almost all of the World’s environments, in case a major global diaster occurred. With current trends, most of the World is about to turn into a Desert and Mild Jungle (or worse)! Hereby, we would want the Blacks, Hispanics and Southeastern Asians to be around, to survive the hot environment.

And if it gets too cold, in a hypothetical Ice Age, than maybe it wouldn’t be too bad of an idea, to have Nothern Asians, Northern AmerIndians (from U.S. and Canada), and “evil” Whites still around; right? Or is that just too awful to suffer through?

Posted by truth at last on April 17, 2009, 11:04 AM | #

I have some Jewish blood.  (Big deal.) Genetics and the Law of Large Numbers dictate that a society made up of people like me will differ from one made up of Euros or one made up of Jews. 

And that makes you a good fit for “Euro society” how exactly? 

I’m not reponsible for the statements of others and am under no obligation, moral, intellectual, or otherwise, to go around identifying all statements by all commentators I agree with and all I disagree with.

Wrong.  You very much have that obligation, just as all moral men do.

1) I suck up to no one.  I adopt no one’s tone or rhetoric. 

No, you do, I’m afraid.  You do it all the time.  As though you were afraid to contradict them.  It’s sickening.

But I’m not seeking to preserve “a society made up of people like me”:  in 1965 when the Jews began changing this country from white to Negro it wasn’t populated by people like me.  It was populated by the people it was populated by.  I want it back.  I demand it back.  I or my descendants will have it back.

What you “want back” and what they want are two very different things.  Why not wake up and realize that?  If you did that, it might (finally) dawn on you that you actually have a lot more in common with me (whom you despise) than with them (whom you idolize).

the ones whose rhetoric Silver agonizes over aren’t in a position to do anything,

For now.  But if they were, do you doubt for one second that they’d do it?  This isn’t some gutter screamer like Gudmund or the other trash that periodically pops up here, Scrooby.  These are highly intelligent men.  And I have every reason to believe they’d carry out their threats.  Just stop and think about it for a second: the Germans didn’t kill six million Jews, but if they did, what of it?  It would’ve been a mighty fine thing.  And if it was a mighty fine thing then it’s a might fine thing now.  This is a lot more serious than just calling people names.  These people are scum, Scrooby.  And if you don’t distance yourself from them it means you acquiesce to their program, which makes you unutterable scum too.

the ones whose rhetoric is just as bad as what he agonizes over are actually putting their genocidal plans into effect as we speak.  Which is in more urgent need of being resisted?

If you “resist” properly you avoid both simultaneously. 

Crapandchaos,

Revisionists contend the extermination of that many individuals daily, an by extension the large numbers proposed killed over the years alleged, is a feat of technical impossibility.  Elie Wiesel, who was apparently lucky nigh astronomical proportions, choose to flee with the retreating Germans (who he alleges were trying to exterminate him) instead of being “liberated” by the Russians; hmmm.

Er, yeah, dude, that was kind of my point, that Wiesel and the Nuremberg prosecutor who produced the Buchenwald “evidence” were full of shit—that there never were any gas chambers at Buchenwald is part of official holocaust history.

EA Steve,

Is that you, EA (European American) Steve?  You didn’t say, so I’m not sure whether it’s the other EA Steve.  Anyway, that was the worst argument against mixing I’ve ever read.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 17, 2009, 02:03 PM | #

”And that makes you a good fit for ‘Euro society’ how exactly?” (—Silver, returning under other names, exactly as I predicted)

The race-replacement crisis which I come here to discuss and protest involves not a tiny trickle of immigration of the unlike here and a tiny trickle there.  There’s always been that, and it’s non-demography-changing (which is why the Jews found it unsatisfactory:  it didn’t change demography).  The race-replacement crisis involves wholesale population transfers of the racially unlike.  It’s a crisis of numbers, not individuals. 

Look, do you understand the difference between, let’s say, putting salt on your food and putting food on your salt?  Do you sit down every morning to a plate of scrambled eggs with a little salt sprinkled on top or to a plate of salt with a little scrambled egg sprinkled on top?  Do you have a cup of tea with a spoon of sugar added or a cup of sugar with a spoon of tea added?  Can you grasp the difference?  It wouldn’t seem so.  How about the difference between a little and a lot?  Can you grasp that?  Do you understand the difference between drinking a glassfull of water and drinking an Olympic-size swimming pool full of water?

If one Negro were like a glass of water, what we’re getting — what the Jews are shoving down our throats, in other words — is tens of thousands of swimming pools poured down our throats.  Can you see the difference between one glass of water being poured down someone’s throat and tens of thousands of swimming pools being poured down his throat?

Wait, let’s make this simple:  do you understand the difference between, let’s say, the number one and the number one billion?  The difference between letting one Negro immigrate to your country and letting one billion immigrate?  See any difference there?  It’s OK, I’ll wait ……………………..

”No, you do, I’m afraid.  You do it all the time.  As though you were afraid to contradict them.  It’s sickening.”

I haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.

”What you ‘want back’ and what they want are two very different things. “

They were never consulted in plain language before the Jews, crony capitalists, and clueless women voters (“Jews” for short) changed them into Negroes.  I have no doubt they’d like to change back.

”For now.  But if they were, do you doubt for one second that they’d do it?”

I’ll worry about Euros who want to kill six million Jews when the time comes.  Right now I’m worried about Jews who don’t just want to kill every Euro on the planet but have actually begun.  See the difference?  When a man is actively in the process of murdering you is not the time to direct your attention to some other man who might be contemplating murdering the one who is trying to murder you. 

Now Silver, please, no more of your crap.  I thought we were through with your nonsense.  Weren’t you going away?  What happened to that?  We were all so happy, now we’re all so disappointed.

Posted by Gold on April 17, 2009, 03:36 PM | #

White Supremacy is the tool of Satan. Your ideas and your efforts are on his behalf. Fear not minorities, fear the Lord, for he is who we all shall stand before to be judged and your devilish work will serve you not in his court of eternal justice. I pray for all of you, that your souls may find love and peace and so join the righteous in His kingdom.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 17, 2009, 04:39 PM | #

“White Supremacy is the tool of Satan.” (—Fool’s Gold)

Good thing we’re not white supremacists then.

“Your ideas and your efforts are on his behalf.”

Satan’s behalf?  Can’t be:  with him backing us we’d actually be getting somewhere.

“Fear not minorities”

Not even if it’s two in the morning and you’re walking down the street in a Negro neighborhood?

“fear the Lord, for he is who we all shall stand before to be judged”

As long as he doesn’t vote Democrat I think I might have a chance.

“and your devilish work will serve you not in his court of eternal justice.”

But we haven’t gotten any devilish work accomplished yet.  We’ve got plenty in mind but let’s wait until we actually do something!

“I pray for all of you, that your souls may find love and peace and so join the righteous in His kingdom.”

OK but do you mind if we get race-replacement straightened out before we get to that stage?

Posted by Scooby Fred on April 17, 2009, 05:45 PM | #

but we haven’t gotten any devilish work accomplished yet.

Yeah but your mom has, she had that nine-month long defecation that was devil-inspired (a.k.a. Your Birth).

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 17, 2009, 05:51 PM | #

Boy, judging by the number of my enemies it looks as if we may actually be starting to get our message across ......

Posted by Lurker on April 17, 2009, 11:09 PM | #

Check out Tanstaafl’s site for more on this theme. Very much in the who, whom vein. The day genocidal whites are in charge, then I will start to worry about them. They aint the ones in charge right now.

Silver, or whoever it is this week, is doing a version of the 9/11 two-step.

This is where a discussion that starts off being about 9/11 and the perils of Islamic fundamentalism and immigration and is quickly diverted into a debate about generic religious fundamentalism and finally someone going on about the supposed dangers of Christian fundamentalists. Well right now we dont need to worry about members of Protestant sects or Catholic priests crashing airliners in suicide attacks, if that looks like something thats on the cards then we can start worrying about it. Until then other groups should be getting the attention.

Posted by Armor on April 18, 2009, 12:42 AM | #

Lurker a few comments above makes a very good point:  the ones whose rhetoric Silver agonizes over aren’t in a position to do anything, whereas the ones whose rhetoric is just as bad as what he agonizes over are actually putting their genocidal plans into effect as we speak. (—F.Scrooby)

Silver doesn’t agonize over anything. He is just playing games. The race replacement promoters are responsible for thousands of murders committed by third-world immigrants in the West, but Silver doesn’t feel guilty over that. The sooner immigration is stopped, the fewer people will get killed in interracial violence. It is not only a question of stopping our replacement.

People who quote favorably people who said things like “Suppose that the Jews’ characteristically big lie were the truth—that the Germans really had made a desperate attempt to rid themselves of their parasites by killing six million of them. If the Germans had done that, what of it? (—Silver)

Suppose the bolsheviks have really killed millions of people in Ukraine, what of it? I don’t think anybody denies that millions were killed by the bolsheviks. Even so, we never hear about it. Personally, I never think about it. It is dubious whether today’s Ukrainians think all that often about it, even though the victims were their own people. This is human behavior. We move on. We have our own lives to care about (and our future to preserve). So, why exactly does Silver expect us to care about the ancestors of the Jews? The Jews are probably not different from us. They don’t think all the time about what happened to previous generations. They are simply using their “holocaust” as a propaganda tool. They were doing the same thing before WW2, continuously whining about their so-called “pogroms”, and all the while trying to genocide us! I suggest we let the Jews weep over their ancestors and we will weep over our own ancestors if we feel like weeping, but not over the fate of people who try to genocide us.

If at some point, there is a rebellion against Jews, I think they will simply move out to some other place: another Western country, Israel, Africa (why not Africa?). I wouldn’t worry too much about them. What worries me is that my own people is now being destroyed, largely thanks to the Jews.

Posted by best friend on April 18, 2009, 08:16 AM | #

Armor, you’re typical of the hard-nut racialist so cocooned inside his own thoughts that his inscrutability to the outside world completely eludes him.  “Playing games,” bah, nick off you clown.

As for the bolshies, it’s not about the past, it’s about the present; it’s about what these nutzi bastards want to do now, what they consider is right and proper for today.  Nutzis are flummoxed that today no one seems to see the eminent good sense of not caring a whit about anyone outside—even only slightly outside—one’s racial in-group.  These are people for whom “boots vs suits” is a topic considered worthy of serious reflection. You’re a Frenchie, so pardon my saying it, but since France isn’t exactly crawling with nordics, unless you are one you might not appreciate their peerless contempt for the rest of mankind.  (Of course, I don’t mean to suggest anyone takes them seriously.  Indeed, it’s the fact that so few take them seriously (because they’re so hard to take seriously) that means they just end up getting in the way, because normal people get the impression that to be a racialist means to have to associate yourself with the ideas of repulsive nutzis.  That’s why I want them out of the way, well out of the way.  No good can come from them.)

Scrooby,

The race-replacement crisis which I come here to discuss and protest involves not a tiny trickle of immigration of the unlike here and a tiny trickle there.  There’s always been that, and it’s non-demography-changing (which is why the Jews found it unsatisfactory:  it didn’t change demography).

That’s incorrect.  A tiny trickle is capable of changing demography every bit as much as a flood.  It just takes a lot longer.  At the end of the day, you either understand mixing or you don’t. You appear not to, or not to want to. 

They were never consulted in plain language before the Jews, crony capitalists, and clueless women voters (“Jews” for short) changed them into Negroes.  I have no doubt they’d like to change back.

Change back to what though?  That’s the question.  Such a change would be such a massive undertaking that they may as well “change back” completely—why in the world would they need your half-jew ass?  Get it?  What are you going to do when the bad boys come for you, Scrooby?  Start screaming “But you can’t take me, I’m Fred Scrooby!  I checked “No” on “Do you support race-replacement?”!  I posted at Majority Rights.  I’m one of the ‘good ones’!”?  I know you can just claim you’ll cross that bridge when you come to it.  My point is that since you would eventually arrive at that bridge, why not just make plans for it from now?  Doing so isn’t exactly straightforward, but it’s not as hairy a matter as it’s sometimes made out to be.  You don’t appear to have thought about the issues involved too deeply at all, I’m afraid.

Posted by Armor on April 18, 2009, 09:56 AM | #

Silver: “it’s about what these nutzi bastards want to do now”

Who are the nutzis? Please give me the name of a nutzi. The writers at the Occidental Quaterly are morally superior to the average white man because they care about what is happening to their people, and they help people like me understand what is going on. By contrast, you are a nutcase, and you don’t care about the destruction of our peoples and the violence it entails.

Silver: “What are you going to do when the bad boys come for you, Scrooby?”

The bad boys who will come after Scrooby are more likely to be Silver’s pals than writers at the Occidental Quarterly.

Anyway… If Fred Scrooby is expelled from the USA by the editorial committee of the Occidental Quaterly, he will end his life in some other country, living alongside third-worlders. If there isn’t a rebellion against race-replacement, he will end his life in his own country, living alongside mystery meat. Which is worse? Personally, I would leave for equatorial Congo at once, never to return to civilization, if it could put an end to the ongoing race-replacement.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 18, 2009, 11:59 AM | #

I think Armor is right, Silver is playing games.

Posted by GR on April 18, 2009, 02:07 PM | #

Anytime someone wants to “go back” to what was you know they’re cornered by the impassable terror of what is.

Both Silver and Scrooby are wrong ..... Scrooby for wanting to “go back” and Silver for assuming a future where “the nutzis” will be empowered to execute Scrooby for his partial Jewish heritage—which would probably happen in that scenario, but here is just an excuse to point out a contradiction in Scrooby’s ideology. Scrooby assumes the world will revert to an older state, according to his specifications; Silver assumes the nutzis are a real threat, even poised to take control, and so must be put “out of the way”. Both share the bad habit of projecting their fears and wishes onto history and the zukunft.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 18, 2009, 03:51 PM | #

I have no ideology, GR, and am apolitical. 

Is your “Zukunft” going to look like the Island of Dr. Moreau?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 18, 2009, 03:56 PM | #

“Silver for assuming a future where ‘the nutzis’ will be empowered to execute Scrooby for his partial Jewish heritage — which would probably happen in that scenario,” (—GR)

Probably happen?  Strange that it didn’t under the twelve years of the real deal — look up the Nuremberg Laws, GR.  I get the impression you don’t know zip about what you’re talking about.  As for Silver, he’s here strictly to play the troll.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 18, 2009, 04:04 PM | #

Israel operates under a set of ethnoracial Nuremberg Laws, same as the Third Reich (stricter, actually).  Are the Arabs or part-Arabs being executed under them?

Posted by danielj on April 18, 2009, 04:05 PM | #

As for the bolshies, it’s not about the past, it’s about the present;

So, there are Nazis in the present but no Bolsheviks?

Silver, the people you are afraid will never take power in America. It will be moderate, temperate, pan-Euro nationalists that take power here if anything outside business as usual happens.

Posted by danielj on April 18, 2009, 04:07 PM | #

Israel operates under a set of ethnoracial Nuremberg Laws, same as the Third Reich (stricter, actually).  Are the Arabs or part-Arabs being executed under them?

According to Paul Craig Roberts and Jimmy Carter they (kind of) are, and they utilize the ‘apartheid’ parallel instead of the ‘Nuremberg’ parallel for the obvious reasons.

Posted by Rhino on April 18, 2009, 04:21 PM | #

I am confused, why is Fred a self-hating Jew ? Why would a man of Jewish lineage reject his past and hate his own ?  Are you the ghost of Bobby Fisher ?

Posted by danielj on April 18, 2009, 04:26 PM | #

I am confused, why is Fred a self-hating Jew ? Why would a man of Jewish lineage reject his past and hate his own ?  Are you the ghost of Bobby Fisher ?

Your ridiculous slur is plenty of evidence for your confusion thus making your admission superfluous.

When a Black man hates the Black community that doesn’t make him self hating.

When a Jew hates Jews that doesn’t make him self hating either.

Posted by Captainchaos on April 18, 2009, 04:36 PM | #

Silver contends that the “nutzis” will exterminate the Jews once they get in power, but he also seems to believe that Nazis historically did not attempt to exterminate the Jews.  Huh?  I guess Slither would say, “So?  They will this time, having learned their lesson.” Whatever, as if scruples had nothing to do with it then as it would now.

GR contends he is a smart guy, when in fact he is a mindless shithead.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 18, 2009, 05:23 PM | #

(I’m responding to Rhino, then I’ll make no more reply to this thing about me being Jewish which Silver is doing his best to push:  I’ve responded to it enough already.)

Rhino, suppose a man, neither of whose parents was Jewish, who wasn’t raised Jewish, never identified as Jewish, and always considered himself to come from basically a German Catholic family (his German grandfather’s family in Germany with which he had close ties in childhood and still has, and considers himself part of and always has, and is considered part of by the family in Germany and always was, along with his siblings) — suppose this man has three bloodlines, German from Germany, and Russian and Ashkenazi, both of those from Austria (the former Austrian Empire, province of Galicia).  Explain how this man is “Jewish”?

Or rather don’t explain it, because I don’t want to know, and you won’t know what you’re talking about.

That’s the last I’m replying to anyone on that topic which has now bored 99.9999999% of the readership to death.

Posted by Rhino on April 18, 2009, 06:55 PM | #

So it sounds like Fred Scrooby owes his life, in part, to Ashkenazi Jews. No Jewish ancestor, means no Fred Scrooby. It seems like one would be proud of one’s heritage, but I see that Fred is a victim of internalized oppression. That is too bad, life is so much better when we are happy, secure, and proud of who we are.

Your response no doubt will be some fluff about being proud of your German side or your Catholic side with a healthy dose of self-denial regarding your heritage as a descendent of Ashkenazis. Ashkenazi is a proud heritage Fred, a heritage of survival, charity, compassion, iron-will, comraderie, tolerance, love, closeness to God, education, work ethic, and ultimately redemption. I imagine that this side of your heritage was always presented to you in a light of shame framed by prejudice and stereotypes. Terribly sad, Fred. There are so many things you can learn though about this proud heritage that will alleviate these false images implanted in your head. You can still be German, Catholic, Russian, and so on, but you will then have the additional merit of celebrating the Jewish in your history. It’s in you, you just have to be brave enough to confront your fears.

Realistically, all of you who post here know all of this. You all know that racism, prejudice, anti-semitism, sexism, and so on are all wrong and they make us unhappy. In your hearts you know that hate and fear destroy. I recommend to all you that you pick up a Buddhist book, not for the religion, but for the insightful philosophy on why life is better when we think, act, and believe in being kind and treating others well. Good acts, acts of friendship and kindness inspire the good and kindness in others.

Posted by Dasein on April 18, 2009, 07:29 PM | #

I recommend to all you that you pick up a Buddhist book, not for the religion, but for the insightful philosophy on why life is better when we think, act, and believe in being kind and treating others well. Good acts, acts of friendship and kindness inspire the good and kindness in others.

Gee, I never heard anyone express it so eloquently, Rhino.  Do you think I can read said book in the Compton’s Starbucks?  If I put a quarter into the tip jar, does this mean my car doesn’t get chopped?  Please advise.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 18, 2009, 08:55 PM | #

What a waste replying to Rhino.  Same for replying to Silver.  Never fails.  BIG mistake.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 18, 2009, 09:46 PM | #

Speaking of what a waste it is replying to some people, here’s Prozium (who signs as “Observer") replying to Ian Jobling on the subject of you know who ....

http://whiteamerica.us/forum/showpost.php?p=2523&postcount=28

That’s probably because the very concept of being a “pro-Jewish, pro-white, anti-anti-Semite” is an oxymoron.  While it is true that many anti-Semites are deranged conspiracy theorists who blame the Jews for everything (everyone who has been around this scene a long time has encountered these people), most intelligent, reasonable, openminded pro-whites can see there is an element of truth to what they say.

The American Jewish community is the vanguard of the far left-wing of the progressive movement.  White racial consciousness is an anathema to all but a tiny minority of Jews.  Kevin MacDonald and others are right when they point out that Jews played a major role in the Civil Rights Movement, demonizing Western culture, undermining the scientific legitimacy of racial classifications, the list goes on.  Jews finance and/or control the worst anti-white organizations in the United States like the SPLC and the ADL.

The small minority of pro-whites who post here believe the kookiness of the fringe right is worse than the damage done to our cause by hostile, anti-white Jews.  I don’t see the logic in that judgment.  I might find people such as “Bill White, World Commander of National Socialism” silly, unsavory, and embarrassing, but reason kicks in and reminds me that they are marginal, powerless, cartoon figures; a non-factor in the dispossession of white Americans.

I’m sure that my impression is shared by many others:  what sense does it make to be pro-Jewish when Jews are so typically anti-white?  Until you people resolve that dilemma (and I see no evidence you are trying to do so), you are doomed to remain a minority within a minority, a whisper within a roar of angry white discontent.

Here’s Jobling’s reply to that very reasonable comment of Proze’s:

I’m not going to have this discussion again here, as I’ve had it several times before. […]

This website has never been pro-Jewish in that I’ve never praised Jews.  It has, however, been neutral towards Jews and critical of anti-Semitism.  It’s absurd to say that there’s a contradiction between being pro-white and critical of anti-Semitism.  That perspective comes from the baseless notion that Jews are waging a war for racial power against whites, an idea that comes from MacDonald and worse sources.  However, as I explain here, MacDonald’s work has been completely discredited by David Lieberman:  the relevant social science confirms that Jews are not the hyperethnocentric monsters of MacDonald’s imagination, and there’s no other good reason to believe that they are waging a war for racial power against us.

I think that it’s true that Jews have been disproportionately on the leukophobic left.  However, the solution to that problem is to oppose leukophobia, not Jews themselves.

If this is your game, Observer, you’d better go play it somewhere else because no one here is interested.

Proze’s mistake there was naming the Jew.  Had he used my “fill in the blank” method Jobling would have been forced to either play dumb or self-incriminate as an anti-Semite by recognizing which group the blanks stood for (after all, how could that particular group occur to anyone but an anti-Semite reading that passage?  it couldn’t .... ), so he wouldn’t have been able to respond so obnoxiously.  Here’s what the first part of the comment would look like with that change:

That’s probably because the very concept of being a “pro-(fill in the blank) ______ , pro-white, anti-anti-(fill in the blank) ______ “ is an oxymoron.  While it is true that many anti-(fill in the blank) ______ are deranged conspiracy theorists who blame the (fill in the blank) _______ for everything (everyone who has been around this scene a long time has encountered these people), most intelligent, reasonable, openminded pro-whites can see there is an element of truth to what they say.  The American (fill in the blank) ______ community is the vanguard of the far left-wing of the progressive movement.  White racial consciousness is an anathema to all but a tiny minority of (fill in the blank) ______ .

See?  Only a closet anti-Semite would guess the blanks stood for you-know-who, because why would anyone else think of that group in particular?  There’s no reason.  This would paralyze Jobling, rendering him unable to respond.