Immigration and Taxation Voting Patterns by Race

Posted by Zach on October 10, 2005, 09:18 PM | #

This is very interesting Geoff, thanks for your work on this. I was wondering, since you probably have it in Excel, do you know what the mean and standard deviation for each group is? Just curious.

Posted by Tom peters on October 10, 2005, 09:46 PM | #

Yes, very interesting research.  It clears shows that democracy is only taken seriously by whites in the US. For the other groups it’s all about tribal advantages.

My questions are:  when will the tipping point be for whites?  When will a critical mass of them demand that the others play by the same democratic rules, and if not then threaten withdrawal/expulsion?  Will it be too late to save the republic by then?  Is this a flaw of democracy, and whites in paticular (didn’t similar things happen in Rome)?  These are questions I’ve been pondering for a long time.

Posted by Zach on October 10, 2005, 10:19 PM | #

I went ahead and ran the numbers myself, so don’t worry about it Geoff, unless you just want to double check my numbers. Here is what I got:

Group, Mean, Std
Asians, 4.00, 1.00
Blacks, 4.61, 0.54
Euros, 2.64, 1.35
Hispanics, 4.58, 0.88
Jews, 4.53, 0.70

Posted by TRI on October 10, 2005, 10:39 PM | #

Excellent work, Geoff!!!

I really appreciate what you are doing on this. I am writing an article of my own for Stormfront, and I will reference the considerable effort you have undertaken here.

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 10, 2005, 10:49 PM | #

Thanks for the comments.

Thanks Zach, I’m traveling now, so can’t respond quickly. Yes, the median and standard deviation looks right.

Posted by Truth Be Told on October 11, 2005, 12:14 AM | #

Simple, really.

Whites of Christian descent build civilizations better, faster and more easily than the other groups, as evidenced by the others’ strong desire to live in nations run by white Christians.

Of course they feel a little marginalized and outcompeted by the white Chritian majority, so they seek more immigrants for their tribal affiliation. If the majority of immigrants coming to the US were white Chritians with a self-interested racial consciousness, you can bet the others would oppose further immigration as against their interests.

Similarly, tax policy falls along the same lines. White, Christian men have a culture of independence and self-reliance taking pride in self-sufficiency. This is a result of the demonstrably far superior abilities of white Christians to survive and prosper on their own. Outside white Christendom this sort of preference for independence is rare. More common is the idea of communal behavior and, unfortunately, cheating thy neighbor. Given that non-whites and non-Christians fare so much worse living on their own than they do in white societies, their preference for high tax rates to redistribute the money of the white Christian tax base is completely predictable.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 11, 2005, 12:52 AM | #

Good work, Geoff.  Very helpful! 

(Can you plug Euro men as compared to Euro women into your software?)

Posted by Zach on October 11, 2005, 03:53 AM | #

I forgot to note that the mean and STD that I calculated were only for the immigration results. Here is for tax:

Group, Mean, Std
Asians, 4.00, 0
Blacks, 4.76, 1.50
Euros, 3.20, 2.22
Hispanics, 4.33, 2.17
Jews, 4.75, 1.68

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 11, 2005, 04:18 AM | #

The Heroes of Our People
Akin Todd Missouri Euro 1 1
Hostettler John Indiana Euro 1 1
Jones Walter North Carolina Euro 1 1
Norwood Charlie Georgia Euro 1 1
Sensenbrenner James Wisconsin Euro 1 1
Shadegg John Arizona Euro 1 1
Tancredo Tom Colorado Euro 1 1

The Traitors of Our People
Hinchey Maurice New York Euro 5 5
Inslee Jay Washington Euro 5 5
Kennedy Patrick Rhode Island Euro 5 5
Maloney Carolyn New York Euro 5 5
Markey Ed Massachusetts Euro 5 5
McGovern James Massachusetts Euro 5 5
Meehan Marty Massachusetts Euro 5 5
Neal Richard Massachusetts Euro 5 5
Olver John Massachusetts Euro 5 5
Pelosi Nancy California Euro 5 5
Rahall Nick West Virginia Euro 5 5
Sabo Martin Minnesota Euro 5 5
Skelton Ike Missouri Euro 5 5
Snyder Vic Arkansas Euro 5 5
Van Hollen Chriss Maryland Euro 5 5

I understand why the Hispanic, Asian, Black and Jew want us destroyed (not before having every last dollar sucked from our wallets via taxation) but to be betrayed by your very own people!

Let this infamy burn into your brains and vow you will avenge such crimes.

Posted by Andrew on October 11, 2005, 06:45 AM | #

You should get a copy of :Ayn Rand, “For the new Intellectual”, great read and refreshing in this day and age.

Posted by Desmond Jones on October 11, 2005, 06:51 AM | #

Your people have long since been abandoned Geoff.

http://www.bbk.ac.uk/polsoc/download/eric_kaufmann/Decline_WASP_USA_Canada.pdf

White nationalism no more exists than Yellow nationalism or Black nationalism. Jared Taylor has as much chance of success as Marcus Garvy. English, Scottish, Dutch, French, Flemish or Italian nationalists have a valid chance of succeeding because there is a large and long-lived component of ethnic nationalism in their being. It is not the case in North America. White nationalism is a cur, an artificial construct of liberalism. White ethnics agitated for a greater quota under the 1924 restriction. White ethnics did not serve their adopted country, on any proportionate level, during war time. White ethnics lobbied for apologies and reparations for war time internments and restrictions, in the same fashion as Jews and Asians.

It’s disingenuous to suggest people like Shadegg who

1. Voted NO on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment.
2. Voted YES on extending Immigrant Residency rules.
3.Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (increasing visas from 65,000 to 115,000)
4.Voted YES on implementing the US-Singapore free trade agreement.
5.Voted YES on implementing free trade agreement with Chile. (more Latino immigrants)
6.Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq.

(And the ubiquitous and ever present) ‘expresses solidarity with Israel...’

is a hero to your people.

Posted by JW Holliday on October 11, 2005, 10:16 AM | #

Desmond seems to have adopted the “argumentative” technique of some others here - when refuted on one thread, completely ignore it and simply repeat the same things over and over again elsewhere.  Sorry, Desmond, old chap, it is not going to work, and as I’ve said before your constantly divisive and obstructionist comments don’t pass the “smell” test of sincerity. 

You are also similar to Steve Sailer; like him you believe that facile opinions, once stated, conflate into facts.  Your saying that WN is a “cur” does not make it so, nor will it persuade us to give up the only thing that can save us in America. Or is that your objective, to convince us not to save ourselves?  Like Sailer and GNXP you wish to convince us in advance that we will fail, so we shouldn’t even try.  Well, then, just because previous generations of white Americans and white Canadians have been failures and cowards in defending their interests, doesn’t mean our generation will be.  Is it sour grapes?  Thus, if we fail, it makes the older generation’s failure more palatable?

Now, one can find on the net complaints by Italian-Americans and German-Americans about internment.  Some politicians have asked for apologies.  So what?  Even some WNs promote this, as a way of discrediting Japanese-American claims of “racism” and as a way of fighting white guilt.

When racial profiling of Muslims is discussed today, someone inevitably brings up “white racism” against the Japanese.  Discussing white ethnic internment is a useful antidote.  It is also completely irrelevant to WN today.  As is the 1924 immigration restriction, which I do not see immigration restrictionists like Tancredo or Calabro complaining about.  Most likely, white ethnic restrictionists like themselves think the 1924 law was a good thing.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is not going to be useful for WN, are they? 

Evidence that white ethnics do not serve during wartime? I haven’t been able to find a link about German-Americans during WWII (can someone else find it?), but I know of no evidence that they were under-represented, and of course Eisenhower was so infected by “civic nationalism” (or was he an extended phenotype?) that he abused German POWs, despite himself being of German descent.

For German-Americans in the Civil War click here.  For Italian-Americans in WWII click here and here.

“Ironically, records reveal that Italian Americans comprised the largest ethnic group
serving in the U.S.Armed Forces during World War II.”

I assume this means, obviously, the largest white ethnic group, rather than ethnic group per se.  Some individual performances here and here.

Of course, note that the USA was at war with Germany and Italy in WWII.  EGI or civic nationalism?  I’m still awaiting an answer on that from elsewhere?  If we believe in EGI, should people fight co-ethnics in an unnecessary war?  If they do so, does that mean they have been co-opted to civic nationalism?

Ultimately though the question is irrelevant for today, as is the question of
WWII war service.  Irrelevant for those fighting today in contrast to those living in the past, or perhaps those living in the present by delegitimizing our attempts at survival. 
Citing counter-references is not irrelevant though, to show that if there is a cur, it is not WN that should be so described.

Desmond, you are getting dangerously close to becoming boring.

Posted by JW Holliday on October 11, 2005, 10:22 AM | #

Well, at least that linked-to pdf was honest enough, ultimately, to lay the blame for the decline of “WASPdom” (WASP being of course offensive to Anglo-Celtics - are the founding populations of America equivalent to stinging insects?) - on intra-ethnic divisions within the “WASPs” themselves.  So, gee, “WASPism” didn’t quite work so well, either.

I am particularly amused by the pdf’s Sailer-like dismissal of WN - “it hasn’t happened yet, so it is not possible.” Any sincere person would, before posting that link, have acknowledged that we on this blog have been discussing this for months, the Sailer critiques being the latest instalment of this. 

Thus, Jones mirrors Sailer again (that isn’t really you, is it Steve?).  WN is “wrong” because it is “not happening and impractical”, while *at the same time* doing everything possible to make sure it does not happen.  Very good - WN is “bad” because it won’t happen, but, hey,. I’ll do everything I can to discourage people from practicing WN, to make sure it doesn’t happen.

Thus, guys like Sailer and Jones simply disapprove of WN on principle; them saying how it won’t happen is just one technique for them of making sure it does not happen.  Thus, they declare themselves enemies of WN.

By the way, anyone who can pick up the latest issue of “Military Heritage” magazine should do so.  There is an excellent article about the Knights Hospitallers defending Rhodes from the Turks.  Interesting - during a period of time when European nations were fighting against each other (because, as Salter points out, the “world” for them at that time was essentially Europe, except for interactions with Islam) - the best of Europe, the Knights, came together in one group to defend the West (yes, that “construct”, LOL!) from Islam.  The Hospitallers had Knights from England, Italy, Germany, France, and Spain ...noted for their bravery, often fighting to the death against uneven odds.  They won at Rhodes, with a French grandmaster.

But, hey, the Hospitallers were just “mongrels” and “curs”, right?  They can’t compete with the “greatest generation”, who firebombed Dresden to ashes, while meekly going along with Earl Warren, and Emmanuel Cellar.

Posted by JW Holliday on October 11, 2005, 11:14 AM | #

Another point which is as salient to Sailer as it is to Desmond Jones :-

The establishment “allows” white Americans to have their purely ethnic organizations and activists.  Thus, there are German-, Italian-, Irish-, Slavic-,Greek- American groups and activists.  These are “allowed” in the mainstream.  Even Webb was “allowed” to publish “Born Fighting”, a positive survey of the history of the Scots-Irish, which was not only descriptive, but a bit prescriptive.  And Mr. Webb, as far as I know, has not been drummed out of “polite” society, nor termed a top “hater” by the SPLC.

But, ah!, let white Americans attempt to organize as a race, and then the establishment goes absolutely ballistic, activists are “haters” and “terrorists”, and guys like Sailer, GNXP, and Jones become hysterical.  Why the difference?  Why is ethnic organization - which some tell us is a “solution” - OK by the establishment, but the “impossible” and “delusional” racial WN met with such horror?

Precisely because it will work, if applied intelligently and diligently.  The system fears what is a threat - racial nationalism - while “allowing” the harmless safetly valve of atomized, ethnic activism.  Let whitey go in a dozen directions at once, that’s the ticket!  And that is why certain blogs attempt to inflate intra-racial white differences as well.  Divide and conquer.

But, no.  Despite such “informative” comments as “WN is a cur”, we will not be dissuaded from the real solution that our enemies so hysterically fear.

Posted by Kubilai on October 11, 2005, 01:11 PM | #

Excellent comments JW.  Divided we fall and that is exactly why they have made it essentially illegal for Whites, as a group, to form and meet.  They know what happens when Whites unite against a common foe.  They absolutely fear it.  That, in and of itself, should be reason enough to continue WN.  I don’t know how all this will play out though it is quite clear more and more Whites are becoming aware with each passing day.

Geoff and others, thanks for the info regarding voting patterns and race.  I have committed it to hard drive.

Posted by Tournament of Champions on October 11, 2005, 01:23 PM | #

As a spectator who follows whether WNs or JNs shall run the West (it’s one or the other, the aracial paradise is just a Jew-generated illusion), I’d pessimistically handicap it at no better than 15 to 1, though it can change quickly. Right now I have serious doubts about whether the JN hold on the US can be shaken even in the tiniest, while over in Europe they seem to have yoked a similar semitically controlled media/political system/hate crime laws complex upon the nations.

There are several trends working against WNs:
1) sub-replacement TFRs
2) colored immigration
3) aggressive spread of Christian zionism by you-know-who
4) relatively faster growth of jewish power v. gentile power
5) neocons are busy locking down the US into a police state- most of the laws have been put into place under bush
6) hate crime laws- if Germany-style laws pass in the US then offline goes all the WN sites and we can all bend over and kiss our gentile asses goodbye.

Posted by JW Holliday on October 11, 2005, 01:29 PM | #

href="http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/10/what_really_hap.php"title="null">well justified .

I guess that German American Bund activity before WWII, and certain incidents in WWI, may have given authorities pause, but did the US government think that Joe DiMaggio’s fisherman father was going to smuggle spaghetti and meatballs to the joke that passed as the Italian “navy?” Silly.

Speaking of which, an ethnic theorist would need to consider the fact that Italians fought better for FDR than they did for Il Duce.  Is the Italian ethny particularly susceptible to civic nationalism? Were Italian-Americans an extended phenotype of FDR, or of Jewish interests?  I’ll let guys like Calabro worry about that, it’s their issue, but the point is that here is a complexity to ethnic relations that is not captured by simplistic comments and calling WNs “curs.”

Speaking of the 1924 restriction, KmacD suggests that the real efforts to overturn it came from organized Jewish interests.  Yes, sometimes there may have been the occasional Polish or Italian front man, but does anyone really think that Eastern/Southern European gentiles had anything substantial to do with that?  Note that when changes were made, E and S Europeans did not benefit, but were pushed away by the Third World flood as were all other whites.  The interests of the 1965 changes were for the Third Worlders themselves, for Jews, for globalist elites, and business.

Let’s not mix apples and oranges, another example being that pdf which talks about Jewish, Italian and Greek millionaires, and their over-representation.  Let’s see - what? - maybe 99% of that over-representation comes from Jews?  How many Greek or Italian millionaires (other than some Mafiosos) in the USA are there really? 

You may well as talk about Jewish, Greek, and Italian over-representation at Ivy-League universities, were 100% of that over-representation is from Jews, with white ethnics actually under-represented.  That is plain obfuscation.

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 11, 2005, 02:31 PM | #

About Desmond,

He makes some good points. But, in the end, you have to make a judgement. For their flaws, and considering the worthless gov’t we have, I’m with the heroes list. 2005-10-11 04:18 AM

I get the feeling all Desmond has done all his life is wring his hands, complain, but ultimately never ACT.

As for the decline of the WASP, yes it was a terrible blow. But I think the greatest blow to White civilization as a whole was the destruction of Germany in 1945, done by the evil 3: Hitler, Roosevelt, and Stalin.

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 11, 2005, 03:06 PM | #

For those system politicians and immigration and tax control groups that wish to include and recruit Jewish, Asian, Black, and Hispanic members this report shows such an approach is futile.

It is only a subset of Whites that are interested in controlling immigration and lowering taxes.

Posted by JW Holliday on October 11, 2005, 04:01 PM | #

Geoff,

This is an important point.  We are in dire straits, and the time has come to 1) rationally reflect on our situation, and 2) ACT.  I’ve spent years doing #1, and my various posts reflect my conclusions.  Salter’s work, together with that of KMacD, has helped put the “finishing touches” on an emerging worldview that has been the product of much critical analysis.  Now, I’m ready to start promoting what to do.  Some may disagree, but they should either lead their own ideas, follow us, or get the hell out of the way.  Just obstructing, whining, and complaining about battles lost from decades ago does not interest those of us who need to figure out what to do today.  Certainly, we need to learn from the past.

What I have learned is that the ideas and methodologies of the past have failed.  Rather than endlessly lamenting that, and insisting that newer ideas are “impossible”, I’m saying let’s give WN a chance.  NOT the moronic WN preached by neo-Nutzis and their fellow travellers, but the intelligent WN that flows from the work of Salter and KMacD (and to a some extent, Yockey, although FPY’s knowledge of human biology was less than what an average chimp would know).

Now, let me make something perfectly clear. I despise free-riding and I am against the idea that humans should be part of the extended phenotype of other humans.  No one gets a free ride in my version of WN.  Sorry, “being white” is not enough.

Any whites - be they of the AngloCeltic/Dutch Old American stock or be they so-called “white ethnics” - who do not agree with WN and at least give some type of support - I owe nothing to them.  They are adrift in the sea of political change and whatever happens, where ever they drift is their problem.  They can hope that they “land on their feet”, but if they refuse to play along, there are no guarantees.  WNs are should not be exploited by do-nothings, no one should “free ride” on the efforts of WNs.  If you do nothing to support us, you run the chance of getting screwed when things hit the fan.

Those whites - of whatever background - who oppose WN are the enemy, and they will be considered equivalent to non-whites, from my perspective.  You see, while ethnicity trumps ideology there is one BIG caveat - that is true only as long as the ideology does not harm the ethnicity.  A person can be as white as they can be, but if their ideology harms the EGI of our people, then screw them.  Now, ethnicity trumps ideology means that well-meaning non-whites can never be whites, they can’t be “us” and we don’t want them, but we can work with them to help them set up their own ethnostates.  But, the “trump” does not mean that any and all whites are in our group.  No...they must have the right “ethnicity” and the right ideology.

If not...well, I have already made myself clear.

This in one sense begins to clear away a lot of this garbage here, because any person or group that intends to “free-ride” on other whites is O-U-T.  No favorites.  Let us see what each person and group has to offer for our program.  If they don’t cut it, who needs them?

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 11, 2005, 04:17 PM | #

JW,

>A person can be as white as they can be, but if their ideology harms the EGI of our people, then screw them.

Yes, lets put an end to the “Left / Right” hoax forever. Whatever policies promulgated are worthy of debate and legislation - only if they do not harm the *EGI; not whether they are Left / Right.

I agree 100% with your sentiments (10/11 at 04:01 PM). Frankly, I’ve come to see WN as the only hope for restoring a descent and orderly society in America.

All other forms are politics are futile. A political solution in the US House of Representatives is futile. The Republic is lost, not will be lost is or being lost but is lost - now.

Our interests are not being addressed and in fact our EGI is being villified in a manner reminscent of the Ukraine in the 1930s: our women are being raped and White men are being deprived of prosperous careers.

If we fail life will not be worth living, imho.

* EGI: Ethnic Genetic Interest

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 11, 2005, 04:22 PM | #

To the Group:

Project 5,10,20 years into the future. The representation of Hispanics, Blacks, and Asians will only grow, and our representation decline.

Do you think these “minority groups” will cease preferring high immigration and taxation policies? No. They will continue their policies until we are driven into poverty and racial extinction.

EURO-AMERICANS: there is no future for us in the political unit now known as the USA. We must breakaway, and fight to our deaths if necessary to free ourselves from this tyranny.

Posted by Svigor on October 11, 2005, 04:48 PM | #

Great stuff Geoff.

Blacks, 4.61, 0.54

Does this show how stupid blacks are, or how traitorous their representatives are, or both?

Both, I guess.  Nothing else can explain blacks, who will be outcompeted by any and every immigrant group, favoring their own dispossession so strongly.

Posted by Svigor on October 11, 2005, 05:01 PM | #

(yes, that “construct”, LOL!)

That “construct” also managed to defend itself against the Mongols raising what, a hundred thousand troops, or was it more, was it two hundred thousand?  I can’t remember which, maybe it was a hundred thousand, more than once because I seem to remember at least two enormous armies being raised.

Had they had a tactical clue they would’ve crushed the Mongols.

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 11, 2005, 05:06 PM | #

Svi:

Blacks when left to their own devices always revert to an anarcho-tribal form of goverment(?) - with emphasis on anarcho.

Here is a list of Haiti’s rulers since independence:

Jean-Jacques Dessalines shot
Henri Christophe(“King” North Haiti) 1807-20
Alexandre Pétion died of disease
Jean-Pierre Boyer fled to France
Charles Herard fled
Philippe Guérier died of old
Jean-Louis Pierrot unknown
Jean-Baptiste Riche unknown
Faustin Soulouque fled to Jamaica
Fabre Geffard fled to Jamaica
Sylvain Saenave executed
Nissage Saget retired
Michel Domingue fled to Jamaica
Boisrond Canal fled to Jamaica
E. Félicité 1879-88 fled to
F. Florvil 1889-96 died of
Tirésias Simon 1896-1902 fled fled
Nord Alexis fled to Jamaica
Antoine Simon fled to Jamaica
M. Cincinnatus 1911-12 blown up
Tancrède Auguste poisoned
Michel Oreste fled to Jamaica
Oreste Zamor murdered in jail
J. Davilmar 1914-15 fled
J. Vilbrun Sam 1915 dismembered
American Occupation
Sténio Vincent resigned
Elie Lescot fled to Florida
Dumarsais Estime overthrown
Paul Magloire overthrown
J. Nemours 1956-57 resigned
Franck Sylvain overthrown
Daniel Fignole overthrown
François Duvalier died of disease
Jean-Claude Duvalier fled to France
Henri Namphy stepped down
Leslie Manigat overthrown
Henri Namphy overthrown
Prosper Avril fled
Ertha Pascal-Trouillot taken hostage
Jean-Bertrand Aristide fled to America
Cédras junta deposed
American Occupation

Note: We cannot live in the same political unit as these people. Either they destroy us, or vice versa.

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 11, 2005, 05:37 PM | #

The Balkanization of Canada is proceeding in a timely fashion:

Race in Canada

A black coalition and the Societe Saint-Jean-Baptiste will complain to the federal broadcast regulator after a well-known psychiatrist said blacks have lower IQs than other people.

...

He and Dorion also want the Quebec College of Physicians to investigate in the hope Mailloux will be sanctioned or have his licence stripped.

Why not ties his hands behind his back… and throw a burning tire around Mailloux’s neck? That’s how your Negro cousins do it in Africa.

Posted by john rackell on October 11, 2005, 05:39 PM | #

Interesting discussion.

>>while over in Europe they seem to have yoked a similar semitically controlled media/political system/hate crime laws complex upon the nations. - Tourn. of Champ.

Overall we give far too much credit to our enemies. The European state is losing ground anywhere there is a large minority concentration – Malmo, Sweden (just read fjordman), French Banlieus – social services only enter with police escort, police enter only in battalion size units – pretty weak if you ask me. Yet, we cower over ‘hate crime’ laws. The European elite has no power – Blair can prosecute Nick Griffin, bully BNP supporters, impound newspapers, strip elected representatives of office for taking a stand on immigration – but the effect is to diminish the moral authority of the elite’s state. All this is begging a civil rights/civil disobedience response – how many of their most productive citizens can the state impound without imploding. It takes courage, but probably too much for one individual. It needs organization.

The model of an effective WN organization would be part white civil rights organization – champion of white interests, legal defense fund for dissenters, lightning rod for its enemies; part political organization – our travails have to some kind of political solution; repository of the institutional memory of the ethny – who can then exploit the elites disdain for the indigenes and garner support thereby. Because activism involves money they have to have a sufficiently public face to attract support – a branding that says these are guys I can trust for attracting donations, pro bono support. The organization is also in part a social outlet, meetings, RWB festival, who knows a way of meeting a romantic partner – it should be all that – the threat of social ostracism of WNs doesn’t work if you get social benefits from belonging – in fact ostracism should be welcomed as it makes people committed to a cause. An organization of sufficient stature would command loyalties that would give people the moral conviction to speak up regardless of hate crime statutes.

The BNP seems to understand this, or rather I understand this from observing them. Auster has criticized the BNP for its civil rights role – I think he implies that it makes a political party more of a special interest group which distracts them from mobilizing political support – and there is no way round the role of a rights org. – whites are silenced by threat of job loss, social ostracism etc – the remedy is more legal than political. In a democratic society, a civil rights arm keeps the multicult state on notice that it has to follow the same rules as everyone else – it puts the mc state in a difficult position of alienating swing opinion if it’s too heavy handed – of course, the stresses in society arising from multicultism are too great but for the State to become dictatorial, but it is sowing its own demise by losing its moral authority. Though I hasten to add overturning the State is not necessarily the goal – the BNP wants state political power – but in some manner the prevailing political zeitgeist has to be irreparably damaged.

On a lot is made of whites being relatively less ethnocentric with more interpersonal trust. This is seen as an Achilles heel. But under the right situation vices can be virtues and vice versa. Whites should be better at forming these sorts of organizations that promote WN ideas that have a high degree of integrity.

At some level the State has to be confronted, possibly at some individual cost, but it can be done purely non-violently, legally, and maintaining the moral advantage. The goal of any organization would be to minimize the individual cost, like insurance that spreads the burden. If the elites drop you in jail then you should be covered to some extent by the other members - a sort of burden sharing.

I think there are a lot of strategies including economic ones not mentioned that whites could begin to construct before the rhetoric of creating completely separate ethnostates leads us to burn all our bridges. The response should be proportionate to the threat.

What is to stop WNs from propagating virus like through the system - being part of the system but not owing its primary allegiance to the system - don’t the sons of Y pull that off to a T?

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 11, 2005, 05:59 PM | #

> in fact ostracism should be welcomed as it makes people committed to a cause

Each time the system bites a white, whether by Affirmative Action, Hate Laws, Sensitivity Training or for some other reason we gain a new recruit, resentment builds.

If it were not for the state and its policies WN would not exist.

Posted by john rackell on October 11, 2005, 06:19 PM | #

Each time the system bites a white, whether by Affirmative Action, Hate Laws, Sensitivity Training or for some other reason we gain a new recruit, resentment builds.

Yes, but the resentment is too diffuse, it’s dissipated, there’s nothing to recruit him too. Too much entropy. So how to do you channel the legitimate resentment constructively?

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 11, 2005, 06:37 PM | #

> Diffuse

Yes. But it is beginning. We, by that I mean WN’sts, are starting at such a low ebb and are dwarfed by the aliens that control the media which ceaselessly counters our message.

So, yes, you are right. But I believe race is a powerful force, though submerged is probing for any crack in the system, like water endlessly searching for a weakness in a damn.

Yes, John, we face much discouragement, I agree, but I’ll go out with my boots on.

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 11, 2005, 06:39 PM | #

BTW, I found a URL where one can download Thomas W. Chittums’ book Civil War II.

http://www.geocities.com/anakonda_fi/

Posted by Desmond Jones on October 11, 2005, 10:24 PM | #

Please accept my apologies, JW, for my Rumpolean writing style and failure to address your questions more immediately. Time is often limited. Your writing is very enjoyable, compelling and heart-felt. It also is very tempting to examine your assertions. No one is saying you are wrong. It is simply a desire, (and if it is obstructionist, then I will happily withdraw) to test the hypothesis.

Others can decide whether North American white nationalism is a mongrel or not. However, mixing the tall, fair-skinned, fair-haired, light eyed, disproportionately accomplished peoples of Northern Europe with the darker, shorter, and less accomplished peoples of Southern/Eastern Europe was not in the genetic interests of North America’s founding people. 

Well, then, just because previous generations of white Americans and white Canadians have been failures and cowards in defending their interests, doesn’t mean our generation will be. Why do you expect white ethnics to support you now, when they have never done so in the past? Our forefathers failed to support an ethnic nationalism (although today’s WN is a mere whimper compared to the activism of our ancestors leading up to 1924), because other white ethnics failed to support them.

It is interesting to note that white ethnics in the Civil War, for instance the 82nd Illinois Volunteer Infantry, were an ethnic German regiment. Why did Germans feel compelled to join other Germans? Why not fight with the other ‘American’ regiments. Some historians report that between 40 and 100 thousand Canadians joined mostly Union forces in the Civil War. Why was there not a Canadian regiment? Why did white Canadians fight alongside white Americans and yet white Germans prefer a separate regiment?

I’ll bet dollars to donuts that the Italians serving, as in Canada, were mostly conscripts, ‘Zombies’, who preferred not to act against their ethnic interests. Check the combat fatality percentages, JW. They are probably half that suffered by Anglo Americans.

‘EGI or civic nationalism?’ Or Imperialism? The English Canadian response in WWII was largely kinship. Johnny Canucks, armed with the pervasive liberalism of the Empire, who fancied themselves more English than the King, and saw their English cousins on the eve of destruction, were ever faithful and ever fatuous. White ethnics, the French, Germans or Italians, who pumped up their numbers, were largely conscripts.

Ethnicity trumps ideology even among whites.

Posted by Kubilai on October 11, 2005, 11:13 PM | #

Is this asshole for real?  Toronto is FLOODED with all sorts of “darker, shorter, less accomplished” races and he’s still harping on about Anglo purity?  The sad thing is, I wonder just how many of these dinosaurs there are with their craving for internecine conflict and self pity, instead of focusing on the true invaders and monstrous threat at hand?  What a pathetic little man.

Desmond, what exactly have you done to prevent, or at least undo the immigration disaster that has descended upon Canada?  That is aside from bitching about those ugly little Southern Europeans, which I must admit has been extremely productive.

I’ll consider him one in the OUT group.

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 11, 2005, 11:19 PM | #

Desmond,

You can work the Protestant / Catholic wedge, there’s a lot of good material there.

Posted by Freddy on October 12, 2005, 01:14 AM | #

Were Italians overrepresented in the front-line combat units of the American Army in WWII?
(Even in WWII the “tail to teeth” ratio in the American Army was very high.)

Posted by Matra on October 12, 2005, 02:45 AM | #

Desmond Jones - Why do you expect white ethnics to support you now, when they have never done so in the past?...Ethnicity trumps ideology even among whites.

I suppose it could be argued that in the past these ethnic whites within North America never perceived a threat from a non-European race so they didn’t need to join forces. If I’m not mistaken it was once unthinkable to imagine the various city-states, principalities and regions of present-day Germany and Italy to unite under one state but they did.  Although explicit calls for racial solidarity probably won’t go anywhere in the short term the deteriorating situation may make WN a more attractive option on down the road.

Besides the European ethnics are integrating into the greater North American society. Most immigrants are now from the Third World so ethnic European communities are not being re-stocked with new blood from the old country. Most second generation ethnic Serbs, Croats, and Italians speak English to each other not their ancestral language. They watch baseball and hockey and absorb the same pop culture as Anglo-Saxon/Celts. They also face the same threats as WASP Mayflower descendants.

There may have been German regiments in the US army in the 1860s but they don’t have them today and you won’t see them in the future. With homogenisation of the white population of North America likely to continue intra-European factionalism should decline.

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 12, 2005, 03:03 AM | #

Matra,

Desmond hasn’t got a clue about American history. My ancestors lived in a fiercely segragationist nation, and the blacks were kept in line. Futhermore, there were no Mestizos because they weren’t allowed in.

> Why do you expect white ethnics to support you now, when they have never done so in the past?

Wrong.

WWII, in the pacific theatre, had strong a strong racialist appeal to Americans and many were motivated by such appeals against Japan.

Texas, the entire invasion and colonization of Texas by White settlers was an overtly hostile racial act.

Frontier Wars, remember the call “the good Indian is a dead Indian.”

Persons like Steve Sailer and Desmond Jones are taking advantage of a weakened people, dumbed-down and lacking in historical knowledge.

I’ve come to see Desmond, especially, as an clever agent provacteur. He understands many of our positions, unlike most, and chips at the edges. Very clever.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 12, 2005, 04:58 AM | #

“For those system politicians and immigration and tax control groups that wish to include and recruit Jewish, Asian, Black, and Hispanic members this report shows such an approach is futile.  It is only a subset of Whites that are interested in controlling immigration and lowering taxes.” (—Geoff, 10/11, 3:06 PM)

True, and an excellent point.

“Now, let me make something perfectly clear. [...] No one gets a free ride in my version of WN.  Sorry, ‘being white’ is not enough.  Any whites - be they of the AngloCeltic/Dutch Old American stock or be they so-called ‘white ethnics’ - who do not agree with WN and at least give some type of support - I owe nothing to them.” (—JW Holliday, 4:01 PM)

Agreed.  Excellent point.  In fact, whatever happened to banishment?  Countries used to do it all the time:  undesirables were kicked out.  The Soviet Union sometimes resorted to banishment—isn’t that how Solzhenitsyn landed in the West?  Didn’t they wait till he’d left the country then simply refuse to let him back in?  It’s something that should be brought back.  The U.S. and the U.K. already practice sort of a form of banishment when they deport Holocaust deniers, post-WW II immigrants discovered decades later to have been members of the SS or concentration-camp guards, and so on, the difference being these weren’t originally U.S. citizens.  But native-born citizens should be subject to banishment too:  whites who support race-replacement should be kicked out of the country.  They should not be tolerated.  These individuals want to live where there are heavy concentrations of other races?  Good.  Let them move to where their dream will come true—Brazil, South Africa, Rhodesia, wherever—not force others to live their dream who view it not as a dream but an unparalleled nightmare.  All proponents of race-replacement ought to be banished the instant they open their mouths to spout their genocide-advocacy. 

“lets put an end to the ‘Left/Right’ hoax forever. Whatever policies promulgated are worthy of debate and legislation only if they do not harm the *EGI; not whether they are Left / Right.” (—Geoff, 4:17 PM)

The left-right hoax is like the professional wrestling hoax:  the two opposing wrestlers work for the same behind-the-scenes bosses who run the whole show and pre-determine the outcome yet when the TV camera pans the audience members in close-up you see furious fans holding up signs and screaming at the top of their lungs at one or the other wrestler, and you say to yourself, “How can they get so mad and take this so seriously?  Don’t they realize it’s all fixed?” That’s us when we take some of the left-right stuff seriously (not all, but quite a bit of it).

“I’ve come to see WN as the only hope for restoring a decent and orderly society in America.” (—idem)

There’s truth to this.  I don’t call myself a WN—I prefer to think of myself as apolitical and simply normal, as opposed to categorizing myself as something special, like WN.  I feel that calling myself WN implicitly concedes to the other side, the one favoring degenerateness, the possiblity of being considered normal but a different kind of normal from me.  But the other side isn’t normal—as regards forced race-replacement there’s only one way to be normal and they’re not it.  But I of course see the WN point of view.

“Our interests are not being addressed and in fact our EGI is being villified in a manner reminscent of the Ukraine in the 1930s: our women are being raped and White men are being deprived of prosperous careers.” (—idem)

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 12, 2005, 04:59 AM | #

(Cont’d from previous comment) I don’t see how this can be denied, in either of its assertions:  because of the forty-year-long attack on whites our women are indeed literally being raped and white men are certainly being deprived of job and career opportunities for which they are better qualified than the ones getting them.

“Project 5,10,20 years into the future. The representation of Hispanics, Blacks, and Asians will only grow, and our representation decline.  Do you think these ‘minority groups’ will cease preferring high immigration and taxation policies?  No. They will continue their policies until we are driven into poverty and racial extinction.” (—Geoff, 4:22 PM)

Absolutely right and this is what people like John Ray don’t see.  They can’t see it’s a steady evolution toward white extinction, as if white society is on a conveyor belt moving inexorably to minority status and even extinction unless it manages to get off that belt.  They look around themselves now and think, “It’s not too bad,” and can’t seem to realize it’s not going to stay that way, but is moving steadily in a certain direction.

“EURO-AMERICANS: there is no future for us in the political unit now known as the USA.  We must breakaway” (—Geoff, idem)

This is the simple truth.  I favor the breaking-up of the U.S. into ethno-states.  In fact, such a break-up is inevitable. 

“Blacks, 4.61, 0.54.  Does this show how stupid blacks are, or how traitorous their representatives are, or both?” (—Svigor, 4:48 PM)

Negroes hate large-scale immigration of Mexicans and Orientals, they really hate it.  (They like that of African and Caribbean Negroes, however.) But their leadership is bought or something and keeps supporting it. 

“Blacks when left to their own devices always revert to an anarcho-tribal form of goverment(?) - with emphasis on anarcho.” (—Geoff, 5:06 PM)

That’s not open to dispute, very unfortunately.  Everyone wishes it weren’t so but, tragically, it is. 

“We cannot live in the same political unit as these people. Either they destroy us, or vice versa.” (—idem)

That’s probably true whenever the Negro population surpasses a certain percentage of the general population or when they get stirred up by the left.

Posted by Desmond Jones on October 12, 2005, 06:27 AM | #

Toronto is FLOODED with all sorts of “darker, shorter, less accomplished” races… The intelligent question is why is Toronto flooded?

The reason is apparent to anybody with eyes to see…

“It would be impossible to understand the Liberal victory in the 2000 election without recognizing the extent to which their strength outside Quebec hinges on the support of Catholics and Canadians of non-European origin. These two groups constitute the core of Liberal support outside Quebec. Fifty-four percent of Catholics and 70 percent of Canadians of non-European origin voted Liberal.

In 2000, the probability of voting Liberal was 14 percentage points higher among Catholics outside Quebec...”

http://www.polyscopique.com/blog/archives/000745.html

Catholics, (Italians, Poles, Ukrainians)outside Quebec vote, in the majority, Liberal. The Liberal Party of Canada recently announced an immigration target increase to 300,000 within five years. 73% of immigrants in 2001 were vismins.

The truth hurts, however where is the evidence of solidarity between Catholics and Protestants or Anglos and white ethnics?

Posted by Guessedworker on October 12, 2005, 08:12 AM | #

Desmond,

There is evidence on this blog, though some of it only I’m in a position to see.

I think your point is good for Canada today, though.  But it is not hard to see why.  Until rather recently, immigration was running at a low level in Italy.  It scarcely exists in Poland and does not exist at all in Ukraine.  Therefore, Canadians of these ethnic origins - who do not see their mother countries changing into something quite different - may not feel the same as their Anglo countrymen who have had decades of immigrational injustice and barely suppressed conflict.

Italians are now waking up to the beginnings of a flood but most probably still view the “r” issue through the conflict of north and south in Italy.  The southerners amongst them may even have transferred their traditional hostility to northerners to Canadian Anglos.

By the same token, northerners may be quicker to identify where the real threat in Canada is coming from (one “mountain man”, so he called himself, whom I met some years ago told me acidly, “Everyone south of Lecco is an Arab").

Catholicism, meanwhile, is still powerful and politically universalist.  That, too, may change a little with the new regime.

Either way, I see an inevitability to unity since all European-origin people are classified the same way and will suffer the same consequences.  Italians and Poles will not be seen by the state as victims of white racism.

It will take time, but Nature will deliver a sufficiently Taylorite outcome for balkanisation to be a serious potentiality.

Posted by JW Holliday on October 12, 2005, 10:49 AM | #

Geoff,

I agree, it is clear to me that this DJ fellow is hostile to WN and white racial preservationism.  He is fairly well versed in our ideals and spends a lot of time trying to find emotional “buttons” to push, to divide us on a north/south; Catholic/Protestant axis.  I wonder – note the coincidence of Sailer now asserting that the “who is white?” problem is a flaw of WN.  Are all these guys – Sailer, Jones, GNXP – comparing notes on how to “stir up the pot?” Or do all “great minds think alike?” LOL!

I don’t know the situation in Canada.  I’ve already told our esteemed DJ that if he feels so strongly on this issue, to get off his ass and promote an Anglo-Celtic Canadian movement against all those “shorter, darker” white ethnics he so despises.  Maybe the “tall and fair and accomplished” Bruce Lahn may join in.  Funny guy this DJ; prime GNXP material.  If someone has not told me otherwise, I’d think that DJ is from GNXP.

But, no, easier just to attempt to cause problems here.  DJ asks why do we think white ethnics will support us now.  Besides ignoring my lengthy comment in which I said that such help is an absolute requirement for being in the “ingroup”, his comment betrays an ignorance of the American scene.  DJ may mock Tancredo, but the short and dark Tom is a bit more on our side than the tall and fair George Bush.  President and co-founder of the EAIF is one Louis Calabro, who does more in one day that I am sure DJ has done in his entire life.  There is Frank Borzellieri, and Gemma of the NPI, and I believe some “ethnics” have been helping Duke in LA, some guy named Glenn Montecido, or something like that. 

So, DJ is wrong.

Note also the Sailer-like disingenuousness here.  DJ questions white ethnic participation, while at the same time attacking white ethnics, and claiming that they should not participate.  After reading the rants of guys like DJ, is this encouraging white ethnic participation?

Divide and conquer – that’s the strategy DJ, eh?  Like Sailer, I must consider you, based on the evidence, as an enemy of our ideals.

I wonder if guys like DJ see any discrepancy between talking about some groups as being less accomplished (another GNXP wedge issue, eh?) and an alleged over-representation of millionaires from those groups?  Or was that all from criminal activity?  Well, organized crime takes some “brains”, no?  LOL!

Regarding “Zombie” soldiers – was Basilone a zombie?  Or maybe just FDR”s extended phenotype?  Where was Bush during Vietnam?  Being a drunken Zombie in Texas?

And, BTW, yes, from the standpoint of Old American EGI, all the mass immigration, including that of the Irish, Germans, Swedes, etc., as well of course of the East and South Europeans, was damaging.  I, in fact, have already commented on that on this blog long ago.  That generation failed to preserve their EGI. Our generation has its own situation, and if some don’t like it, too bad.  WNs are not responsible for the past.  Nor do we like to endlessly repeat ourselves for the cognitively challenged, who cannot remember things from one month to the next.

Posted by ben tillman on October 12, 2005, 04:48 PM | #

Either way, I see an inevitability to unity since all European-origin people are classified the same way and will suffer the same consequences.

We are attacked together, and we must respond together.  The opponent has furnished the basis for unity.

Posted by ben tillman on October 12, 2005, 04:52 PM | #

The truth hurts, however where is the evidence of solidarity between Catholics and Protestants or Anglos and white ethnics?

Whether it exists now and whether it will be difficult to achieve are wholly beside the point—the point is that solidarity *must be* achieved, and we must dedicate ourselves to that achievement. 

Dum spiro spero.

Posted by JW Holliday on October 12, 2005, 06:37 PM | #

Soldiers, Zombies, Killers:-

A soldier, yes ... but it would be unfair I guess to accuse Bush of being a combat–shy “zombie” in Vietnam, seeing how he didn’t go.

Instead he defended America from a surplus of beer.

What fortitude he showed chugging down that excess!

While our President may not have personally killed anyone, his wife cannot say the same.

We can end the war in Iraq quickly, let’s just have a certain ex-librarian and a certain US senator open a driving school in downtown Baghdad.  With all the insurgents run over, it’ll be finished in no time!

Posted by Desmond Jones on October 12, 2005, 08:18 PM | #

GW, A comment at ASO by WJP was enlightening. He abhored all immigration to the UK, African, Asian or European. He had great disdain for the Poles pouring into London. It begs the question, why should the English concern themselves with Italian or Polish EGI? It will be difficult enough for the English to secure England for the English without worrying about some European motley crew.

It’s funny how Charles Murray is lauded when the work suits the notion of European accomplishment but Madison Grant’s work, a veritable match to Murray’s, is decried. EGI is not really worth supporting unless it is a pan-European EGI. Support for an Anglo EGI is jeered, in America, and cheered in England. Amusing.

What exactly is Lou Calabro promoting?

“America prides itself on representative government, trial by jury, Anglo-Saxon Common Law, limits on the powers of those who govern, and particular sets of rights, like the right to bear arms and the rights of women. None of those things started in America. Each and every one of them began among our ancestors, in Europe.” A touching rewrite of history. Anglo-Saxon common law, an Italian tradition?

Lovely.

No EGI here just a lot of melting pot amore.

And then, the truth is revealed,

“We are forever tied to Europe in a way that transcends time and space, for we are a continuation of all those who have gone before us, just as our children are a continuation of us.

The golden chain links us through the millennia - and across the ocean. Blood is thicker than the cold waters of the Atlantic.”

So blood is thicker than water...whose blood Mr. Calabro?

And finally, the ubiquitous links to “The Great Irish Famine”, “A Prison Called Hohenasperg” where poor innocent Germans were interned during WWII and finally, “Una Storia Segreta”, in Italian no less, the dramatic story of Italian internment...(sob,sob).

Hmmm...who is at fault for all this misery? Who are the dastardly demons who inflicted such pain on the poor undeserving peoples of Europe.

Anyone care to hazard a guess?

For this I’m supposed to bastardise my EGI? Feh!

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 12, 2005, 08:40 PM | #

Desmond:

>For this I’m supposed to bastardise my EGI?

Desmond, nobody is asking you to do anything.

Though your professed Ultramontaine Anglo-Saxon chauvanism is rather amusing. I know two “pure” Anglo-Saxons on MR and neither of them share your extreme Chauvanism.

Your professed chauvanism would be in fashion if this were 1880, only 120 years too late.

Posted by JW Holliday on October 12, 2005, 09:22 PM | #

Actually, evidence for the Catholic/Protestant/Anglo/Ethnic alliances -

1) European American Issues Forum
2) American Renaissance meetings
3) National Alliance/National Vanguard
4) Council of Conservative Citizens

In all 4 cases, there is a mix of people of different ethnies/religions involved.  Before anyone gets nervous, no, I’m not endorsing # 3 - I’m merely pointing out the fact that, for example, I’ve been told that one unit coordinator was a Balkan Slav (Serb?), and that yes, they do have Greek, Italian, etc members, along with the NW Euros.  The EAIF is a balanced mixed bag of guys like Calabro along with guys like McNallen, and Amren conferences have guys like Taylor, Wolters, Rushton, Calabro, Borzellieri, etc together there.  #4 is primarily Southerner-Anglo-Celtic, but according to their newspaper, their NYC coordinator is an Italian-American, and I saw some Irish Catholic names there as well.

I’ve probably missed some groups as well.  The point is made, however.

Posted by ben tillman on October 12, 2005, 11:45 PM | #

It begs the question, why should the English concern themselves with Italian or Polish EGI? It will be difficult enough for the English to secure England for the English without worrying about some European motley crew.

You have got this absolutely ass-backwards.  The English must concern themselves with Polish genetic interests not just because those interests overlap those of the English; they must do because THAT IS WHAT COOPERATION ENTAILS.  No white nation can save itself without the cooperation of the rest.

Posted by JW Holliday on October 13, 2005, 01:06 PM | #

Desmond,

You really are an enemy of white preservationism, aren’t you?  Calabro is an old man doing real-life, hard work promoting Euro-American interests in the USA. What do you do, except serve the interests of our enemies by spreading out-dated division?

The EAIF, by the way, has plenty of Anglo-Celtic people, and, who knows, much of what you read on their website has been written by them.  BTW, I didn’t read anything into that quote about “Italian tradition”.  Since England is in Europe - do you know geography? - then Anglo-Saxon law originated in Europe.  It did not originate in America.  That’s the point.

With respect to stories on European-American internment, I’ve already commented on that.  Personally, I think it is a waste of time, but it doesn’t prove your theses.  I note well that you ask for examples of cooperation and when you are answered with such, you cherry-pick quotes and supply your own interpretations to attempt to delegitimize the ACTIONS of others.  That alone delineates you as part of the enemy.

Why not form the ACCIF, the AngloCeltic Canadian Issues Forum, and test support your views that way?  That is, if you really are an Anglo-Celtic Canadian, and not some frustrated GNXPer here for fun.

Posted by JW Holliday on October 13, 2005, 01:23 PM | #

Desmond,

If you are a proud Anglo-Celt, get started on an anti-French, anti-Italian, anti-Slav, and anti-Greek Anglo activism in Canada.  Go to it!  Unless you are a more Ganges guy than a Thames guy. 
Maybe accomplished northerner Bruce Lahn will join you.  Or maybe he’ll reject you because you are not a Chinaman.

Facts about the EAIF:-
Calabro doesn’t run the show himself.  It is a broad Euro-American alliance.  Besides Italian-Americans like Calabro, there are Anglo-Americans and German-Americans among the top activists there.  That includes Steve McNallen, who runs the American branch of the Asatru religion.

A few years back, Calabro voluntarily stepped down from the Presidency to let someone else have a chance.  McNallen became President and did a fine job.  Unfortunately, Steve had very serious health problems that required extensive surgery and prolonged rest.  Thus, he had to give up the Presidency, and Lou came back to replace him.  There is genuine comradeship and cooperation there, and perhaps Mr McNallen can testify in that regard. 

The EAIF represents the interests of all Euro-Americans, and I can tell right now, that Lou puts forth a tremendous effort - while other members of his generation do nothing or whine on the internet about what,essentially, are their own failures.  His efforts are for all people of European descent in the US.

Guys like Taylor and McNallen and Calabro will be remembered and respected for the work they do for our people.  Guys like you, if remembered at all, will be seen for the obstructionists that you are.

Posted by JW Holliday on October 13, 2005, 01:42 PM | #

I’ve reproduced below the entire text of the EAIF essay that Desmond quoted to somewhow prove that the EAIF was attempting to transform America’s Anglo-Saxon law into “Italian traditions”.  Thus, readers can come to their own conclusion.

To me the essay is saying that for white Americans we should not forget our European heritage and that our traditions did not spring de novo from American soil.  I can’t quite see anything here about “Italian traditions”.  BTW, Desmond, I can tell you that Calabro did NOT write this.  I am 95% sure it was written by McNallen, and the other 5% possibility is that it was written by the EAIF voices editor, who is also of Anglo origin.

Article follows:-


European...American?

“I’m just a plain old American."..."There are no such things as African-Americans or Asian-Americans or European-Americans - only Americans"..."I don’t believe in hyphenated Americans"…

You’ve heard those sentiments, or their equivalents, from your friends and family.  Even John Wayne recording a speech, back in the 1960’s, dismissing the idea of the “hyphenated American” - and who, at least in that day and age, could argue with The Duke?

My thoughts on all that have changed a lot in the last few decades, and America has changed, too. Maybe it’s time to revisit the question of ethnic Americanism, particularly as it applies to those of us who trace our roots from distant Europe.

While some European-Americans were actually born in the old country, the majority of us have been Americans for some generations. It’s all we know. America has been our home for as long as our hearts have been beating in our bodies. Two and a quarter centuries? Man, that’s a long, long time! Darned right we’re Americans! How could be anything else?

In the summer of our youth, America did seem forever, just like the endless warm days between one school year and the next. The Fourth of July, chasing fireflies under the shadowed trees, turning the crank for homemade ice cream - America, and summer, and our lives were seamless, timeless, and complete. How could we, and why should we, ever be a part of anything other than America?

All those feelings still reflect a truth. But it’s not the only truth.

As we grow and learn, we realize that we - as individuals and as a country - have roots in the past. America prides itself on representative government, trial by jury, Anglo-Saxon Common Law, limits on the powers of those who govern, and particular sets of rights, like the right to bear arms and the rights of women. None of those things started in America. Each and every one of them began among our ancestors, in Europe. It’s true that we cherished these concepts, revived them when they were trampled by tyrants and developed them to heights our ancestors never knew, but the fact remains, we inherited the essence of America from those who went before us. We cannot, ultimately, separate the “European” from the “American” in our social makeup. America is a continuation of the exploring, freedom-loving tradition that has been ours from time immemorial.

There was a phase in our history when patriots declared that America was a special creation, something entirely novel, a child without parents. We know now that this is not true. America has parents - thousands of years worth of them, in fact. The past is father and mother to the present.

Consider: The people we think of as Europeans have existed in their present form, according to some scientists, for around forty thousand years. We have been in America for perhaps two centuries, or approximately one-half of one percent of that time! Did our crossing the ocean erase the other 99.5 percent of our heritage? Of course not. You and I are the latest products of a long line of ancestors stretching back into far prehistory. We didn’t stop being connected to all those people, all that past, when we got on a boat and sailed west. We are forever tied to Europe in a way that transcends time and space, for we are a continuation of all those who have gone before us, just as our children are a continuation of us.

The golden chain links us through the millennia - and across the ocean. Blood is thicker than the cold waters of the Atlantic.

Ultimately, there is no conflict between “European” and “American.” America is sprung from the loins of Europe. The culture in which Americans have lived for more than two hundred years has been overwhelmingly wrought from the material of Europe.

European ... and American. We are both. And we wear our identification proudly!”

Posted by JW Holliday on October 13, 2005, 06:32 PM | #

To consolidate, I’m shifting my focus to the “Power versus Truth” post as well as a newer one under construction.

I just want to summarize by saying - yet again (OK, yawn) - that no one is forcing anyone else to do anything they do not want.  Our friend DJ can, if he so wishes, invest his energies in an Anglo-Celtic activism.  Who is stopping him?  Everyone can pursue their EGI at that level which they believe best suits their interests and their abilities.

However, attacking and misrepresenting those of us who realize that Western Man in general is suffering the same fate, and needs to fight shoulder-to-shoulder for our survival, that is just plain wrong.

Be a doer, not an obstructionist.

I’ve said all I can say on that, so this “cur” is concentrating on the newer posts.

Posted by nbmns on February 16, 2006, 11:33 AM | #

whatever, america is the land of immigrants just like australia, they shouldn’t be complaining, its not their land...so stop ur whining…

Posted by Guessedworker on February 16, 2006, 12:16 PM | #

nmbns, if you can be troubled to acquire an understanding of EGI you will be able to reply to yourself on this thread.  You are Mestizo.  I am European.  Our interests conflict.  You stop your whining and get the hell out of our living space.