IQ Matters

Posted by Guessedworker on October 11, 2007, 09:55 PM | #

Thanks, Robert.  Nice restatement of what should be common knowledge.  Here (go to the fourth of the tables presented) is Lynn and Vanhanen’s full table, as presented in IQ and the Wealth of Nations.  It contains some cross-national averaging, which have been criticised particularly by Dienekes Pontikos.  But his beloved Greece scores only 92!  Yet more proof of Salter’s thesis, then.

Posted by john fitzgerald on October 12, 2007, 04:05 AM | #

.Brain size to intelligence correlates at between .3 to .4.  Not so significant.

Brand has some quotes about I.Q. in his blog.
http://gfactor.blogspot.com/

Posted by Al Ross on October 12, 2007, 11:27 PM | #

The Bell Curve’s co-author, Professor Charles Murray, enunciated it most succinctly - “ IQ will put you in your place”.

Posted by Takahata Joe on June 07, 2008, 05:10 AM | #

IQs in developed environments are more valuable.  We all know illiterate Africans will score low on IQ, that isn’t interesting.  So, to look at IQ in developed environments to get a better picture of race and IQ.  Because realistically, high IQ doesn’t equal high success.  Just look at Mongolia.  I prefer to look at developed environments to get an understanding of ethnic IQ:

The average European score in a developed environment (AKA western Europe) is 100.

We can find the average of Indians (South Asian), Malays (South East Asians) and Chinese (East Asian) by looking at Singapore, a developed country.  Lynn’s table shows 108 for Chinese and 92 for Malays.  Indians typically score in the middle on countrywide examinations, and their education levels and income are usually between the other two, or higher towards the Chinese.  Their score would probably be around 100.

Blacks (at least, the African ones rather than Australian or such) in developed environments get 85, as shown by studies in America.  You can argue that blacks in America are affected by poverty still, so it may be a bit higher.

One would assume that the middle-eastern IQ is similar to the one for Pakistanis given by Lynn, around 90, lower than Indians but higher than Africans.

American Natives are the question mark.

-Takahata Joe

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 07, 2008, 12:37 PM | #

But Joe, no matter what their IQ is, we Euros don’t want to get race-replaced by them, changed into them, however you want to describe it.  We want to stay us, not become them, and that for reasons ranging far beyond IQ.  It has to do with looks, for example:  we like the way we look.  And it has to do with behavior — we like the way we behave.  And it has to do with culture:  we’re not convinced that the culture a race creates isn’t to an important extent inborn, and we like the one we’ve created:  it fits us, it suits us; we just like it better and don’t want it to change into one some other race creates.  And it has to do with ancestry:  we value the feeling that comes of descending from our Euro ancestors and being the same people, the same race as they, sort of the way someone feels proud to descend from a famous great-grandfather:  blood of his blood.  It’s mystical, yes.  So be it. 

And most of us want homogeneous communities of us, not mixed communities of us and them, though the Jewish PC revolution of the 1960s has taught us to be ashamed to admit it openly. 

We don’t begrudge them their own countries, their own “places,” we only want ours too.  We like lots about them and we want to learn about them but across fixed borders, we on one side and they on the other, not them scattered everywhere among us and replacing us (which the government is seeing to — their replacing us, that is:  without government forcing it they’d not get a sufficient toehold to replace us because we’d naturally prefer our own, and even apart from our preferences we’d out-compete them in most cases; but the government doesn’t allow either of those, and instead does what amounts to forcing us to be replaced by them). 

We like the way we are.  While begrudging no one else his own racial self-esteem we claim the right to have and cherish ours as well, without needing to make apologies for that whatsoever. 

We do not want to be changed into some other race no matter what their IQ is, whether high, low, or in between. 

Yes I realize, Joe, that you are commenting on the log entry which is about IQ, and I find your comment of course completely appropriate (and interesting), and am not criticizing you, but I want nevertheless to make this point, which people too easily lose sight of.  The clever manipulators steer debate such that the conversation goes like this: 

“We don’t want to be changed into another race.  For one thing, we’ve read other races may have lower IQs, something which contributes to poorer ability to compete in society, high rates of crime, and so on.”

“But Orientals have higher IQs than you do, and lower crime rates, and high ability to compete in society.”

“OK, then you’re right, there’s no reason we should question getting changed into Orientals.  That should be fine.  We don’t like the low IQs of some races, but Orientals not only don’t have them, they have highers ones than we do, so OK, even though it still doesn’t feel right, I guess we have to admit we have no valid reason to not want to get replaced by Orientals, changed into them, whatever you want to call it.  So go ahead, open the borders to them, flood the country with them.  We’ll shut up.”

No, it’s not fine and not what we want, which we’ll make clear if given the chance to express ourselves frankly without PC obfuscations, recriminations, demonizations, or threats of ruination from the other side.  It’s not fine, because our preference not to get race-replaced doesn’t hinge on group IQ.  Group IQ is a factor where some groups are concerned, and other things are factors where other groups are concerned.  (See my first paragraph above.)

The end result is the same regardless of questions of comparative group IQ:  we reject race-replacement.  We will always reject race-replacement.  We will never agree to it.  And we are going to stop and reverse it, setting things to rights, things that never should have been tampered with in the first place, ESPECIALLY not without our permission but dishonestly, dirtily, and stealthily behind our backs.

Posted by Takahata Joe on June 07, 2008, 04:33 PM | #

Hi Fred,

I don’t really care about that, I’m not an American and don’t plan to take over your jobs or “race-replace” you, whatever that means, I was merely commenting on IQ.  The problem that I have with most of you and most of these “white nationalists” on this website is that you lose sight of facts preferring to despise certain groups or hating their traits.  I don’t really care that you want to keep America white, that isn’t related to me.  What I do care about is when people misrepresent the intelligence or success of certain groups as part of their argument.  The most frequent targets of this, fittingly I guess, are the two most successful ethnic groups in America, Jews and asian Indians.

I’m not interested in debating the merits of a white America, I’m only interesting in making sure that people who randomly find this website do not succumb to misinterpretation of facts based on biased authors.

However, I do live in Canada, and that’s because I love Canada and Canadian culture and want to be a part of it.  If some night everyone wants to come to my house and murder me for invading their territory and being a gook, well, whatever, I’ve earned it, so that’s your prerogative.  I realize this isn’t “my territory” here in Canada, but I only have one chance to live, and I’d prefer to do it how I want to as long as I am accepted, and that seems to be the case in Canada.

-Takahata Joe

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 07, 2008, 05:05 PM | #

Joe, you comment is fair, and thanks. 

Most people here would have no objection to a limited number of Japs (your name suggests you’re one) or other yellows immigrating here or to Canada.  What most object to is their entry in inappropriate volumes.  What’s Malta’s population, a hundred thousand?  Half-a-million?  I haven’t looked it up.  Let’s say the E.U. decided to ram a million Nigerian Negroes down the throats of the Maltese through forcing them to accept them as immigrants.  Does that seem an excessive number of Nigerian Negroes to force on Malta’s population?  Most Jews would say no, absolutely not, because the Jews are playing games hoping not too many will notice and the ones who do notice will remain powerless to do anything about it (which is largely the case, so the Jews are riding high for the moment).  I expect you, a Jap, to be more honest and say yes, certainly, that’s too much racially unlike immigration to force on Malta.  So you get the point:  the same thing applies, mutatis mutandis, to the rest of the Eurosphere.  Keep the volumes of the racially unlike tiny and there’ll be no problem.  Attempt to change the country’s race by importing massive volumes of the racially unlike, which is present official government policy throughout the Eurosphere, and there’s a problem.  Maybe a big one that everyone will come to regret the way everyone regrets World War II, but some people, like the Jews for example, never learn.  Alternatively, whites could let themselves get genocided by the Jews and their allies but I don’t think it’s in their genes to do that.  I think they’ll wake up.  We’ll see.  I lay blame for this mess primarily at the feet of the Jews, as you can tell.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 07, 2008, 05:22 PM | #

In calling your comment fair I meant for the most part.  This, for example, is fair, among lots of other reasonable stuff you wrote:

“I don’t really care that you want to keep America white, that isn’t related to me.”

You’re saying you have no dog in this fight so don’t care.  That’s fair as long as you don’t oppose those of us who resist race-replacement.  As long as you don’t, you’re no enemy, as I see things.  You’re of no concern to me in that regard.  If you join the side who are oppressing us with forced race-replacement you make yourself into our enemy, as I see things (I speak for myself, as just one commenter here). 

While most of your comment was fair, some wasn’t.  This, for example (and there was more):

“The problem that I have with most of you and most of these ‘white nationalists’ on this website is that you lose sight of facts preferring to despise certain groups or hating their traits.”

No, their main motivation isn’t “despising certain groups or hating their traits” (except where traits everyone hates are involved, such as sky-high Negro violent street-crime rates and lots of other bad Negro traits).  Their main motivation is anger, ranging from mild to volcanic depending on the individual, at having race-replacement of whites forced down white throats.  A lot of strong language flows from that and is understandable and excusable when it does, because what’s being done to our countries demographically is an epochal outrage beyond words, and people react in understandable ways when infuriated.  Yes there are some senseless bigots in the true meaning of that word who particpate (who are rare, and bear in mind some of those who show up are agents provocateurs so don’t count) but they aren’t the heart and soul of what’s going on here.  The heart and soul are individuals every bit as smart, educated, and refined as you, Joe.

Posted by Takahata Joe on June 07, 2008, 05:48 PM | #

You should thank the Jews for their contributions to your country.  Despite a minuscule population, they have shaped most of the beneficial image your country has.  When I think of American classical music, I think of George Gershwin and Aaron Copland - Jews.  American literature, Isaac Asimov and JD Salienger come to mind . Jews.  When I think television, Simpsons and Seinfeld.  Created by Jews.  37% of your Nobel prizes would be gone without the Jews.  It is astounding how much of America was built by Jews, who have such a tiny population.  The ungrateful behavior of American anti-semites astounds me.

-Takahata Joe

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 07, 2008, 06:05 PM | #

1) I’m not an anti-Semite.

2) Does the good they’ve done excuse the bad?  Nothing can make up for genociding the traditional American population, a Jewish-headed project currently underway.

3) Joe’s reply there signals that he may be an total asshole.  (Just pointing that out.)

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 07, 2008, 06:09 PM | #

“I’m not an anti-Semite.” (—my comment just above)

By coincidence I expanded on that earlier today at another blog.

Posted by Takahata Joe on June 07, 2008, 06:30 PM | #

Let me tell you what I believe, Fred.  I believe that you have been severely brainwashed, to put it lightly, by your experiences or things you have read.  There is no massive Jewish conspiracy to eliminate the white man.  I cannot convince you to believe this, you must convince yourself.  You remind me of the old Nazi propaganda tapes talking about how Jewish people were all businessmen who wanted to manipulate white farmers.  Of course Jews weren’t farmers - people of high intelligence do not like to perform menial jobs that waste their talents.  This thought didn’t seem to cross their minds back then.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 07, 2008, 06:47 PM | #

It turns out you’re a know-nothing wise-guy, Joe.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 07, 2008, 07:13 PM | #

Like the girl in the fairy tale who arrives at the house of the Three Bears, we find being in the middle is just right and suits us best:  Oriental IQs are high, Negro IQs are low, ours are in the middle, just right; Negro dicks are big, Oriental dicks are small, ours are in the middle, just right; Negro crime rates are high, Oriental crime rates are low, ours are in the middle, just right; and so on.  We like being the way we are.  It’s just right for us.  We’re the Goldilocks race.  We don’t want to change races if you don’t mind, thank you very much I’m sure.

Posted by Darren on June 07, 2008, 07:14 PM | #

Joe:

First, I am not particularly fond of the two Jewish musicians you mentioned. To each their own in tastes, but I prefer German and Austrian ones over Jewish ones, personally.

Second, I consider entertainment and television especially to be frivolous and materialistic. Not interested.

Third, I respect the factual basis for high Jewish average IQ and do not deny it. However, I would maintain that 1) asserting one’s worth based on the proportion of Nobel prizes accumulated is crass and materialist and 2) European societies that have excluded Jews have done just fine without significant Jewish involvement.

I would like to take this time to ask you: What do you think of Israel? Do you think it is hypocritical that Jews in the USA are against white ethnonationalism but support Jewish ethnonationalism in Israel?

“There is no massive Jewish conspiracy to eliminate the white man.”

I don’t think there is either. What I do believe, however, is that there a massive Jewish conspiracy to deny whites the right to a racially based society. This is factual.

“You remind me of the old Nazi propaganda tapes talking about how Jewish people were all businessmen”

The Nazis never said that.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 07, 2008, 07:33 PM | #

Today’s Japan, by the way, Joe, is a national socialist state (a “Nazi” state, in the German-language abreviation of the term), as is Israel, China, and numerous other countries not infected with the nation-state equivalent of the Gordian worm (do a site search for that last term, if needed).

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 07, 2008, 07:37 PM | #

The Gordian worm.  (Now put two and two together.)

Posted by Takahata Joe on June 07, 2008, 07:48 PM | #

The Nazis never said that.

Watch “Der Edwige Jude” (or something like that).  An entire portion is dedicated to how Jews are businessmen, doctors and bankers rather than “noble and hard-working” professions like farmers.

-Takahata Joe

Posted by Darren on June 07, 2008, 07:56 PM | #

Watch “Der Edwige Jude” (or something like that).

I have, and the fact that you don’t even have confidence in your knowledge of what you allegedly watched suggests that you probably don’t have a proper understanding of it.

An entire portion is dedicated to how Jews are businessmen, doctors and bankers rather than “noble and hard-working” professions like farmers.

Yes, Jews held *many* occupations, not just businessmen (your earlier claim that you just expanded), but also academics, artists, and other professions that the Nazis were critical of Jewish involvement with.

If Jews are so intelligent that they cannot perform any sort of menial labor, then could I go so far to suggest that Jews would be incapable of forming a racial state that excluded all non-Jews because they need lower-IQ races to do their dirty jobs?

No, that is such an absurd statement. Even intelligent whites often find themselves doing very menial jobs, especially in their youth. The fact that Jews avoid it is a rather unfortunate (for them) cultural phenomena that eschews labor and the spiritual qualities it imbues and the fact that Nazis recognize this isn’t particularly “wrong”.

Posted by Dave on September 02, 2009, 08:14 AM | #

Who cares about IQ? What’s the difference between an average IQ of 100 and 105? Not much as far as I’m concerned.

If you look at the inventions of the White man, they far exceed anything that the supposed intelligent Asians have created.

Asians are very good technically, very good at refinement, yes, but still the car of the year is a Volkswagen.

I’m confident that as a German male with two degrees I have an IQ higher than Joe, so I’m not going to be bowing down to the great Asian intellect any time soon.

I want all other races to get out of my country very quickly, because we are being exterminated. Our social security system is being exploited by invading vermin and the native population cannot have babies becaues all our money is going to support the parasites. Any Asian would have the exact same feeling about preserving their race, if their country was being invaded. For God’s sake, look at what the Chinese recently did to the Uighurs.

We’d all better pull our fingers out of the asses very soon, because time is short.

Posted by C.M. on February 10, 2010, 12:34 PM | #

“still the car of the year is a Volkswagen”
Who the fuck cares about what’s the car of the year in europe, or germany in your case. These elections are fraud.

“look at what the Chinese recently did to the Uighurs”.
Mind your own fucking business, at least we didn’t show them the endlösung as you guys did, we could have terminated them for good if we whish, but that they are still around is proof of Chinese tolerance.
You are a typical westerner brainwashed by your fucking western media, I would be glad if the fucking western journalists would be kicked out for their indecent lies.

Posted by jess on March 31, 2010, 04:57 AM | #

The Indian tiger is an endangered animal , most people don’t want to see this happen .  If it is wrong to destroy the indian tiger then it is wrong to destroy the white tribe by genocide . Through 3rd world emigration .  Sociopath politician are behind this controlled by what tribe ? Dare I tell and automatic be called a name ? Is it because this tribe that has a higher iq or is it because members of this tribe are looking out for there tribes interest at the expense of others ? Save the endangered white race , save the endangered indian tiger . P. S. To my oriental friends don’t let the above happen to you . If you are Chinese keep China Chinese if you are Japanese keep Japan Japanese . I believe your tribe has a high iq don’t let me down ( Don’t play the role of a fool ! )

Posted by jess on March 31, 2010, 05:11 AM | #

I wanted to say - Is it because this tribe has a higher ,not this tribe that has a higher

Posted by Fred Scrooby on March 31, 2010, 01:17 PM | #

Some excellent commentary above by two commenters trying to frame matters in terms cognitive-élitist Orientals and Subcons, in particular, might more easily understand:

Dave, who said he is German, wrote,

I want all other races to get out of my country very quickly, because we are being exterminated.  Our social security system is being exploited by invading vermin and the native population cannot have babies because all our money is going to support the parasites.  Any Asian would have the exact same feeling about preserving their race, if their country was being invaded.

Jess wrote,

The Indian tiger is an endangered animal, most people don’t want to see this happen.  If it is wrong to destroy the Indian tiger then it is wrong to destroy the white tribe by genocide.  Through 3rd world emigration.  Sociopath politicians are behind this, controlled by what tribe?  Dare I tell and automatically be called a name?  Is it because this tribe has a higher iq or is it because members of this tribe are looking out for their tribe’s interests at the expense of others?  Save the endangered white race, save the endangered Indian tiger.  P.S. to my Oriental friends:  Don’t let the above happen to you.  If you are Chinese keep China Chinese.  If you are Japanese keep Japan Japanese.  I believe your tribe has a high iq; don’t let me down.  (Don’t play the role of a fool!)

Good stuff by Dave and Jess.