Jörg Haider killed in car crash

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 17, 2008, 04:45 AM | #

Some other time, Snax.

Posted by Erko on October 17, 2008, 10:18 AM | #

Just on the ‘Haider drunk’ red herring:

This would pass muster if someone had actually seen Haider drinking a few too many that night. But there are no witnesses to any such behaviour, and if there were I think they would have come forward by now.

Also, if he was apt to driving too fast, he’d have accumulated a few speeding tickets in his life first. Not many 58 year olds drive recklessly - and most of those who do probably already have a few fines on their record.

I am more interested in the two doors that were detached from the vehicle and the mysterious woman (as far as I know, still unnamed and uninterviewed by the media) who was first at the scene.

In an interesting development, the host has now shut down the website, Judicial-Inc.Biz, which only days ago put forward a plausible scenario as to what had happened.

Perhaps it was shut down because the Judician-Inc.Biz scenario was correct.

Posted by Erko on October 17, 2008, 10:21 AM | #

The latest report on the assassination:

http://thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=9529

Posted by Erko on October 17, 2008, 12:14 PM | #

‘Australia Calling’: National Socialist radio show from Australia

First half of the show is about the Haider assassination:

http://www.nsm88radio.com/Aussie calling/AC101208.mp3

Posted by Erko on October 17, 2008, 12:17 PM | #

‘Hmmm, link truncation problem:

http://www.nsm88radio.com/Aussie calling/AC101208.mp3

Between Aussie and calling, there should be the following three symbols:

% - 2 - 0

Posted by Dave Johns on October 17, 2008, 02:34 PM | #

The raison d’etre, or what motivates creeps like “Anti-Racist League,” can be summed up in one sentence:

“Hatred of the good for being good.”

Posted by Dave Johns on October 17, 2008, 02:56 PM | #

“Today, we live in the Age of Envy.

“Envy” is not the emotion I have in mind, but it is the clearest manifestation of an emotion that has remained nameless; it is the only element of a complex emotional sum that men have permitted themselves to identify.

Envy is regarded by most people as a petty, superficial emotion and, therefore, it serves as a semihuman cover for so inhuman an emotion that those who feel it seldom dare admit it even to themselves . . . . That emotion is: hatred of the good for being the good.

This hatred is not resentment against some prescribed view of the good with which one does not agree . . . . Hatred of the good for being the good means hatred of that which one regards as good by one’s own (conscious or subconscious) judgment. It means hatred of a person for possessing a value or virtue one regards as desirable.

If a child wants to get good grades in school, but is unable or unwilling to achieve them and begins to hate the children who do, that is hatred of the good. If a man regards intelligence as a value, but is troubled by self-doubt and begins to hate the men he judges to be intelligent, that is hatred of the good.

The nature of the particular values a man chooses to hold is not the primary factor in this issue (although irrational values may contribute a great deal to the formation of that emotion). The primary factor and distinguishing characteristic is an emotional mechanism set in reverse: a response of hatred, not toward human vices, but toward human virtues.

To be exact, the emotional mechanism is not set in reverse, but is set one way: its exponents do not experience love for evil men; their emotional range is limited to hatred or indifference. It is impossible to experience love, which is a response to values, when one’s automatized response to values is hatred.”

Posted by torgrim on October 17, 2008, 06:01 PM | #

“Look at the coat-of-arms on that hall’s walls he’s lying in state. Think of all the European history they represent collectively."--Fred

Yes, and look at the people, the beautiful architecture, the centuries of European thought and creativity!
I feel a deep sense of love for a place that I have never ventured, the Heartland of Europe.
May we grow stronger, and honor our heritage.

Rest in Peace, Herr Haider.

Posted by Erko on October 18, 2008, 06:27 AM | #

I think the real function of ‘anti-racism’ is to divert leftists away from traditional leftwing concerns such as social justice (e.g., progressive taxation, corporate regulation) to concerns that actually help the dominant power structure. By reducing the debate over immigration - which should really be about the mass importation of cheap labour - to the bogus issue of ‘racism,’ leftists only help the capitalist bosses, who don’t want to be told that they can only employ domestic labour. But these deluded lefties think they are doing the world a favour and saving it from the horrors of RRRRAAAACCCISMMMMM.

In short, multiculturalism and anti-racism neutralises the threat from the left.

Posted by Riley The Wiley on October 19, 2008, 08:46 AM | #

I think it was an accident but can’t help a little speculation:

- If you had access to the control system for gas + brakes, and
- If you could accelerate drastically w/out driver control, and
- If you could disable the brakes for both left wheels, leaving right wheel brakes intact, and
- If you could detect when the car is accelerating, and it’s speed ...

THEN ...

You could program the car to detect a condition when it is moving at speed and accelerating, and you could pour the petrol to it, forcing the speed into insane ranges from the already-high top speed. When the driver hit the brake, the asymmetric braking would whip the car sideways to the right, pulling it off the road to the right and exposing the driver’s side directly to onrushing obstacles. The car might also roll violently to the driver’s side, whipping his head into the asphalt and slamming it into the inside of the car every time it rolled.

If you want to kill someone, or cause serious injuries (especially to the head), I think that is going to be about 75% successful, perhaps more so, if you can delicately time the massive acceleration to a point when the right side of the road is littered with a lot of deadly obstacles.

Haider’s car went through exactly that set of motions: acceleration, braking, a lurch to the right (allegedly caused by right wheels on soft ground, left on pavement), a sideways slide into an abutment directly impacting the driver’s side door, killing the occupant.

This happened to me once on a mountain road one snowy night ... the throttle on a ‘68 Camaro iced open ... I’m lucky to be alive. The driver had the presence of mind to pop it out of gear. It might have been different.

Just a gloomy thought in the middle of the night.

But it is still an accident until proven otherwise.

Riley

Posted by Erko on October 19, 2008, 10:33 AM | #

‘ it is still an accident until proven otherwise.’

Rubbish!

What are you waiting for, a letter from the Director of Mossad to say, ‘OK, you caught us - we did it’???

A better alternative to waiting for a phone call from Mossad (Vienna office) - or from the people that actually did - it is to just use your brains.

Half the problems in the world stem, in my view, from that fact that people can’t use their brains to work out the bleedin’ obvious.

Posted by Dave Johns on October 19, 2008, 11:49 AM | #

“Half the problems in the world stem, in my view, from that fact that people can’t use their brains to work out the bleedin’ obvious.”

Exactly.

If the Left cannot constrain itself from viciously attacking ‘Joe the Plumber’, how much more malicious contempt do they harbor for the likes of Dr. Haider? Perhaps enough to assassinate him?

Posted by Riley The Wiley on October 19, 2008, 04:47 PM | #

*sigh*

Sometimes accidents happen, even to people the Mossad wants dead. Haider was such a man, but there is nothing (or very little) in the immediate circumstances of his death that leads one to think he was murdered. A bullet in the brain would be another matter.

The point of a clandestine killing is to make it hard to distinguish murder from mishap. At the end of the day, it is hard to distinguish murder from mishap: but it is illogical to adduce murder in all such circumstances.

Riley

Posted by snax on October 19, 2008, 08:55 PM | #

There are good grounds for suspicion, but anyone defending the claim that Haider was assassinated has little (no?) hard evidence to point to.

One thing that stood out for me from the photos of the car at the accident scene was the absence of blood. The official version says Haider’s arm was almost severed, and I know I’m not comparing like with like, I once saw a kid lose a few fingers and a portion of his hand, and the blood was EVERYWHERE.

Posted by Guest on October 21, 2008, 04:19 AM | #

VW spokesman Peter Thul claimed that someone with access to Haider’s car key could have manipulated the limo’s electrics which control the engine’s “brain”.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1820566.ece

Posted by Marc on October 21, 2008, 05:54 PM | #

Jörg Haider was definitely killed by the jews!

Posted by Guessedworker on October 21, 2008, 06:17 PM | #

Hey, Marc, you for real, or are you just trying to set us up?

Posted by Revolution Harry on October 21, 2008, 07:03 PM | #

Here’s a 28 seconds long video that says it all. Not only in relation to this incident but also to the broader picture. Come on MR’ers, wise up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fHmWcRZ72A

Posted by Guest on October 21, 2008, 10:29 PM | #

Guessedworker you raise a good issue. Everyone in our struggle for the survival of our people understands that on open forums agents provocateurs are part of the price.

One need only peruse Storm Front , for instance, to see the obvious attempts at sabotage.
RCMP of Canada as well as other law enforcement agencies, various Jewish groups, various Anti-White groups, all posing as WNs, and all posting the most extreme and, at times, actionable of statements.

I would assume that the one you refer to is a Jewish person.

I think that one’s posts should stand on their own as a testament as to one’s sincerity and dedication to the survival of our race.

Some of our ideas may seem incorrect, or even extreme to some of our brothers but there is a big difference between that and the informant or the AP.

Posted by danielj on October 21, 2008, 10:55 PM | #

He was going 88, that is 88 miles per hour when he crashed.

Not ninety.

I don’t think I need to point out the irony/significance.

Posted by cladrastis on October 22, 2008, 01:23 AM | #

Regardless of the cause of Haider’s death, I’m reminded of what Soren said at the New Right conference (and this is a paraphrase):

Heads to the parapets.  If they shoot one of us, someone else must stand up and take his place; let’s hope so…

Let’s hope for the sake of Austria, that not one new leader will be born of this tragedy, but many.

Posted by snax on October 27, 2008, 10:38 PM | #

Haider widow halts cremation amid suspicions

Jörg Haider’s corpse was sent for a second post-mortem in Italy today after the Austrian far-right leader’s widow voiced fears that that his death in a high speed car crash in early October might not have been an accident.

Senior members of his Alliance for the Future of Austria party said that Claudia Haider had serious doubts that her husband was killed as a result of drunk driving and suspected he may have been drugged.

Mr Haider died after his VW Phaeton limousine left the road and somersaulted several times in the early hours of 11 October. He was driving at twice the speed limit, and an initial post mortem showed that he had four times the legal limit of alcohol in his bloodstream.

However his widow has refused to accept those findings and insisted that her husband’s cremation, which had been due to take place earlier this week, be postponed indefinitely.

Mr Haider’s former party colleagues said his body would be subjected to a second post-mortem in Italy and further tests by German pathologists to determine whether foul play may have played a role in his death.

Claudia Haider was said to be highly sceptical of Austrian pathologists’ conclusions that the 58-year-old politician had consumed such a large amount of alcohol in such a short space of time. She was reported to have said that such behaviour was not in his character and that she feared that he may have been given drugs. Party officials have said there were no skid marks on the road at the accident site and he may have already been unconscious when he crashed.

However Gottfried Kranz, the Austrian state prosecutor who investigated the circumstances of the death, has insisted that no traces of drugs were found. “The tests showed no drugs, only alcohol,” he said.

There have been conflicting reports about Mr Haider’s condition in the last hours and minutes before his death. Witnesses at a party that he attended in the town of Velden, in the southern state of Carinthia, before the accident have reported that he seemed quite sober.

Shortly afterwards, however, Mr Haider was seen in a gay bar in the state capital, Klagenfurt where he was reported to have consumed a bottle of vodka with an unidentified male companion before getting into his car and driving away.

Family fears that Mr Haider could have been drugged before his death, were made public only days after the politician’s former deputy - 27-year-old Stefan Petzner - revealed that he had a gay love affair with the far right leader which they had begun several years ago.

“We had a relationship that went far beyond friendship,” Mr Petzner said during a radio interview. “Jorg and I were connected by something very special. He was the man in my life,” he said. Mr Petzner became party leader after Mr Haider’s death, but he was dismissed for outing himself earlier this week.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/haider-widow-halts-cremation-amid-suspicions-972598.html

The Jerusalem Post shrieks: Austrians praise deceased Nazi admirer Haider

“He was a remarkable person” and one should “pay tribute to him,” was how Social Democratic Chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer described right-wing extremist politician Joerg Haider at Haider’s funeral ceremony in Klagenfurt, Austria on Saturday

While local Austrian authorities declared an inebriated Haider to have died as the result a high-speed car crash last week, Karlheinz Klement, a former member of Haider’s ex-party, the Freedom Party, asserted that the Mossad had assassinated him. Klement’s conspiracy thesis is circulating among Austrian neo-Nazi and right-wing internet forums.

In the mid 1990s, Haider proclaimed the Freedom Party “to be the PLO of Austria” at a party event. He split from the Freedom Party in 2005 and formed the Alliance for the Future of Austria, a hard-line, reactionary and anti-foreigner party based in the Federal State of Carinthia, where he served as governor.

Haider was notorious for his praise of Nazi employment policies and the Waffen SS, an organization devoted to exterminating European Jewry.

The Waffen SS are “decent individuals with character, who stick to their beliefs despite strong opposition and remain true to them today as well. That is a good basis, my dear friends, for us younger people to inherit,” said Haider at meeting of the Veterans of the Waffen SS in Carinthia, Austria.

Haider’s funeral turned into a day of national mourning and 30,000 Austrians flocked to the Carinthian capital of Klagenfurt to attend the service, which was covered live by Austria’s national broadcaster, ORF.

Given Haider’s anti-Semitic and xenophobic views, and taking into account that he represents a rallying point for Europe’s radical right, it was an astonishing show of political solidarity as Austria’s heads of state and political parties paid tribute to him. Chancellor Gusenbauer said Haider had had “an excellent feeling for what needs to be changed” in Austrian politics.

Heinz Fischer, the Social Democratic president, said Haider’s death was a “human tragedy,” and that he had been a “politician with great talents.”

The ex-head of the Austrian Green Party, Alexander Van der Bellen, said Haider had been “an exceptional politician, highly qualified to inspire people and win [them] over.”

The conservative People’s Party vice chancellor Wilhelm Molterer said Haider hadn’t minced his words, and therefore “deserves great respect.”

The Social Democratic president of the Austrian parliament, Barbara Prammer, recognized the great political and life achievements of Haider, who helped shaped Austria’s political landscape over the decades.

The praise for Haider contradicts the Social Democratic Party (SPÖ) statement issued to The Jerusalem Post shortly before the national election in late September. In response to the Post’s question about whether Austria had a “special responsibility” toward Israel due to Austrian complicity with Germany during the Holocaust, Andreas Schieder, the SPÖ State Secretary in the Chancellery, wrote: “That is also the basis for the commitment: prevent the beginnings. Never forget - no more fascism.

“However, we are painfully aware of what the chancellor at the time, Franz Vranitzky, noted in a speech before the Knesset in 1991. Austrians were not only victims, but also perpetrators. The SPÖ will continue to fight anti-Semitism, racism, xenophobia and any form of National Socialist ideology.”

Heribert Schiedel, an expert on right-wing extremism at the Documentation Center of Austrian Resistance, a prominent think-tank in Vienna, told the Post that political statements from Austrian parties regarding Israel are “insignificant, ineffective and meaningless.”

When asked about the across-party-lines praise for Haider, Schiedel told the Post that “it is an expression of an underdeveloped Democracy and political culture” in Austria that Haider helped to shape.

Haider and his party epitomized an aggressive anti-Israeli agenda, with a foreign policy supporting alliances with the Iranian Mullah regime, Iraq under the rule of former tyrant Saddam Hussein, who Haider visited several times in Baghdad, and the Libyan President Muammar Gaddafi.

Haider had welcomed an Iranian economic delegation to Carinthia in July 2007 at a time when both the European Union and the US sought to discourage trade with Iran due to its uranium enrichment program, which could be used to make nuclear weapons.

He demanded that the “responsible warmongers” in Israel during the Second Lebanon War in 2006 be summoned before a war crimes tribunal, and that Austria evict the Israeli Ambassador in Vienna. Israel’s right to self-defense against Hamas rocket attacks and Hizbullah terror activity played no role in Haider’s foreign policy views.

He fanned the flames of Austrian anti-Semitism, blasting the head of the Austrian Jewish Community, Ariel Muzicant, as a “Zionist provocateur in the West” who wanted to silence criticism of Israel with the “club of Anti-Semitism.”

Haider also criticized Muzicant for seeking to end flight connections with the Iran.

Some Austrians felt that the major media in Austria had watered down their criticism of Haider and employed flimsy excuses to justify his anti-Democratic and anti-Israeli statements as well as his crude defenses of the Hitler movement.

Columnist Gudrun Harrer wrote a controversial analysis in the left-liberal daily Der Standard entitled: “Many Arabs considered Haider ‘the Lion.’”

She argued that “This ‘attitude,’ Haider’s view of the Arab and Islamic world and his sympathy for its undemocratic regimes, is complex: One might see his anti-Americanism and his recourse to political incorrectness as coming from his questionable interpretation of European history or as a reaction to his own rejection, especially by Israel, which called its ambassador back from Vienna in 2000 because of the FPO’s participation in the government. In addition, Haider was probably simply also seeking a way to gain international prominence, and nobody else wanted him.”

Schiedel, from the Documentation Center of Austrian Resistance, considers Harrer’s commentary to be “highly problematic” because it shifts the “guilt to the Israelis and Jews” for Haider’s views and plays down his distorted understanding of Nazi history.

Posted by J Richards on November 03, 2008, 06:08 AM | #

The verdict of the VW team

I have heard that a team from Volkswagen, flabbergasted by the ‘accident,’ did some investigation and came to the conclusion that the electronic brains of the Phaeton were apparently tampered with.  If anyone has more information on this, please post here.

I wish to respond to Revolution Harry, but will do so in a separate post.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 05, 2008, 08:29 PM | #

The Mossad’s assassination of Haider was relatively low-key.  The Mexican drug lords go about things in a showier way:

http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2008/11/05/in-other-news/

Posted by melkiora on November 11, 2008, 05:46 AM | #

Are there any pictures of inside the car so we can see an eventual hole in the seat inline with the hole in the roof.

Posted by Haider a Kidon Kill? on April 01, 2009, 05:04 PM | #

A U.S. official said that Israel has staged targeted killings “in friendly countries,”

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22319.htm

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 29, 2009, 10:12 PM | #

The number-two man in the NPD, Jürgen Rieder, has died.  He collapsed suddenly Sunday evening during a break in a party meeting.  In hospital he was found to have suffered a brain hemorrhage which led to severe brain damage.  His doctors disconnected him from life-support today.

http://www.jungefreiheit.de/Single-News-Display.154+M5b2bfa54923.0.html

Posted by Q on October 29, 2009, 10:46 PM | #

The number-two man in the NPD, Jürgen Rieder, has died.

As we all suspect, his untimely death is no coincidence. If we lived in a just society, there would be an autopsy and the truth of his cause of death would be revealed. However, we live under tyrany. If in fact Jurgen Rieder was murdered, we will NEVER be informed of that.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 29, 2009, 11:05 PM | #

Q, I didn’t post that with that in mind.  I have no suspicion at all that this was other than a natural event that ended his life.  I posted the news in this particular thread simply because it seemed an appropriate place, not from the point of view of suspicious deaths of allies, merely of deaths of allies.  Rieder was 63 by the way.

That said, now that you’ve mentioned the possibility, I’ll google “ways to induce brain hemorrage” to see if any such exist that I wasn’t aware of.  I doubt any do.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 29, 2009, 11:06 PM | #

hemorrhage

Posted by Sándor Iványi on December 08, 2009, 10:23 AM | #

MOSAD was killed Jörg Haider. MOSAD was make an example of Jörg Haider, because the terrorist Israel want domination of the world. The EU, Austria, and Hungary is living under cionist occupation!
Haider is a hero!
Haider was says: Cionist banks very dangerous to Austria!
Freedom for Europa!!

Foreign nationalists speak, national media silent
25/10/2009

In the centre of Budapest on Friday afternoon on the 53rd anniversary of the Hungarian Uprising and the twentieth anniversary of the Hungarian Republic, politicians from around Europe spoke directly to, and saluted the patriotism of, the Hungarian people, wishing them a “brighter tomorrow” in both their own and the Hungarian language. If however, you have been getting your news from the Hungarian terrestrial media, this will be the first you will have heard of this.

In events which marked the further consolidation of Jobbik into the Hungarian political mainstream and its wider prestige amongst the parties of Europe, representatives of nationalist parties from countries as far apart as Sweden, Italy and France came together to speak to Hungarians gathered in the country’s capital.

Jobbik’s events also included speeches from Krisztina Morvai MEP and Zoltán Balczó MEP (who with Csanád Szegedi MEP are rapidly demonstrating what Hungarians can accomplish in Europe if they put their minds to it) poetry readings and the singing of the nation’s anthems.

The participation of politicians from other countries was also important for events of historical significance that were to take place the following day; on Jobbik’s own six year anniversary, with the formation of the Alliance of European National Movements, whose creation in Budapest, the heart of Europe, was not coincidental.

The Alliance now constitutes the only significant Europe-wide opposition movement to the increasing federalism, and executive power grab, of the European Union.

However, viewers of Hungarian terrestrial television have been left deliberately ignorant of the momentous events that have been taking place in their country over the holiday weekend, which had been negotiated by Jobbik, the third largest party in the land.

Moreover it also seems that, one of the crucial reasons why Budapest was chosen as the venue for negotiations, namely that it represents the most significant incident so far in the deliberate repression of patriotic sentiment by vested interest laden government – in the form of the events of October 2006; is curiously deemed an irrelevance by the controllers of Hungarian state TV.

In fact, viewers of the main M1 TV channel’s news broadcasts on Friday would have witnessed that the mere seconds given to a cursory mention of Jobbik’s commemorative event (the ONLY one taking place in the centre of the country’s capital) were literally dwarfed a hundred fold by the coverage given to whether or not convicted paedophile, Roman Polanski, was to be extradited from Switzerland or not. Though of what interest by contrast, this would be to the average Hungarian citizen currently escapes us.

As everyone is aware, Friday marked the 20th anniversary of the creation of the modern Hungarian Republic; and therefore – in name at least – signalled the end of institutional Communism in Hungary. Isn’t it therefore time that the various terrestrial channels of Hungary shrugged of the control and influence of the two main parties, and stopped engaging in the kind of deliberate censorship by omission that would have found much more fitting a home in the pre-1989 Communist Hungarian People’s Republic?

In fact, in a warden message email sent to American citizens (predicatably ignorant that a great many such citizens present in Hungary at this time were ‘56 veterans) the U.S. State Department sought to warn its countrymen and women of the possibility of unrest in the city of Budapest (which thanks to the diligence of Morvai and the new Hungarian Guard thankfully did not materialize), urging them to keep abreast and informed of actual happenings by keeping an eye on local media… immediatey adding the sobriquet, “Good Luck!”

It is high time these channels were true to the requirements in their charters to their own nation, and perhaps started taking seriously their duty to tell their countrymen and women about what actually takes place within their own borders. It would certainly make for a pleasant change.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 08, 2009, 06:31 PM | #

Sándor Iványi, we know about Krisztina Morvai at this site.  Her way of responding to the Jews has been applauded here — see item #3 in “Today’s Quiz,” here:

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/european_heritage/#c76969 .

I’m a huge fan of hers.