Lebensraum and Improving the Racial Stock, 21st century style

Posted by Guest Blogger on Sunday, 19 October 2008 23:42.

By David Hamilton

The dominant ideology in the western nations is built around multi-racialism or anti-racism.  But its permissiveness towards white ethnic cleansing carries echoes of its philosophical opposite, Nazism. The motive - for this can only be intentional - is to push “whites” out of their communities, and that is against democratic principles and the rule of law.

More than 50 million African workers are being brought to Europe in a secret immigration agreement. This is on a scale of evil comparable to the herding of Jewish people into gas chambers, which we are constantly told is the greatest crime in history.  It is intended to destroy a people: the whole of western Europe’s native people, and it has been implemented by the evil E.U. This ideology is totalitarian with only one viewpoint allowed. It is very intolerant of any complaint about the cruelty and injustice of it and brands dissidents as “haters”, “bigots”, “fascists” or “Nazis.” It is implemented by deceit and often in secret.

A “job centre” funded by money confiscated from Europe’s tax-payers has been opened in Mali, and is hailed as the beginning of “free movement of people in Africa and the EU”. The report is from the EU statistical agency Eurostat. It rationalises that vast numbers of migrants could be needed to meet the shortfall in two years if Europe is to have a hope of funding the pension and health needs of its growing elderly population. EU economists in Britain and other EU states will “need” 56 million immigrant workers between them by 2050 to make up for the “demographic decline” due to falling birth rates and rising death rates across Europe.

That is a lie! If the Civil Service Pensions and in particular parliamentary pensions were scaled down to sensible levels more in line with every other pensioner receiving a pension from HM Government there would be greater equality after retirement. People are paid for doing a job while they are doing it. But I don’t see why the taxpayer should be required to fund a pension which equates to a job when they have left. I know that parts of the private sector do that, but that is private and driven by profits. It is entirely different. Moreover, If we were not transferring billions of pounds in Aid to elites in the Third World, and billions as UK subscriptions to the UN and the EU, we might well be able to give our people a better pension.

The report for the EU, is by Moroccan-born French MEP Francoise Castex, who wants immigrants to be given legal rights and access to social welfare provision such as benefits. “Having sufficient people of working age is vital for the economy and for tax revenue.” What they really mean is they want to destroy Europe and the people. Ms Castex said: “It is urgent that member states have a calm approach to immigration. To say ‘yes’, we need immigration … it is not a new development, we must accept it.” To ensure cheap labour for the elites. The Portugal declaration urges the EU to assist African governments in setting up migration information centres “to better manage labour mobility between Africa and the EU”. The first job centre was opened in Bamako, capital of Mali, on Monday 6th of October.

More centres are to open soon in other West African states, then in north Africa.” The justification provided by the media is to blame us. We are ruled by being made to feel ashamed of ourselves. The photograph illustrating this report shows a cue of Africans in western dress, presumably waiting to come here.(1)  But here’s another reality:-

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left: market day in Bamako; right: nice work if you can get it ... whatever it is.

These Africans are prepared for immigration, including clothing essentials and language lessons, by The British Council. African lawyer Dele Oguntimojou wrote: ”(you) do not know how the youth in the poor African village is being seduced by lush advertising to shed his native dress for blue jeans; to retune his ears from the traditional hi-life to the drum and bass of hip-hop and Brit pop. Even now the British Council is busy across Africa training the next generation of immigrants in the language of the destination country.”(2)

There was an expose in November 2006 that the Government were advertising for immigrants in a Foreign Office pamphlet distributed from Embassies around the world. ‘Multicultural Britain - A Land Of Immigrants’ encourages immigrants to come here because of the Human Rights Act which gives them privileges over natives and well-paid jobs. Illustrated with photos of smiling non-whites, it is an invitation to people to immigrate here. (3)

In April 2004 Home Office minister Beverley Hughes was found to be approving visa claims from eastern Europe despite warnings they were using forged documents. She only resigned when she found a letter sent to her year earlier by a junior Home Office minister, Mr Ainsworth, alerting her to potential immigration frauds. There were also allegations about abuse of the European Community Association Agreement (ECAA) whichs had already been raised by James Cameron, the British consul in Romania who blew the gaff. Ms Hughes told BBC Two’s Newsnight that Mr Cameron’s claims were the first she knew of the alleged “scam”. But it emerged she sent letters previously in reply to Mr Ainsworth’s concerns.

Here is an insight. Lin Homer was chief executive of Birmingham city council, and presided over what investigator, Judge Mawrey, called “massive, systematic and organised fraud” in an election campaign. It made a mockery of the election and he ruled that not less than 1,500 votes had been cast fraudulently in the city. He made the comments after upholding allegations of postal fraud relating to six seats won by Labour in the June 2004 ballot. For this, Homer was promoted to chief of the Immigration and Nationality Directorate.(4)

A regular excuse we hear is that “The Home Office is a shambles.” Why so? How come politicians do well in other jobs but fail as Home Secretaries? The Home Office is brilliantly successful: it has been infiltrating immigrants into the country without people realising for years! But as usual the ideologues have no practical grasp and think only of the utopia of a multi-racial world and cheap labour for themselves and the corporations.

Hitler changed the concept of Lebensraum from colonisation to enlargement within Europe. “For it is not in colonial acquisitions that we must see the solution of this problem, but exclusively in the acquisition of a territory for settlement, which will enhance the area of the mother country, and hence not only keep the new settlers in the most intimate community with the land of their origin, but secure for the total area those advantages which lie in its unified magnitude.” (5) He added a racial bias to Lebensraum and claimed that the Soviet Union was run by Jews so Germany had a right to take Russian land in search of a unity between the German Volk and the land, Blood and Soil.

In a speech and interview with The Brussels Journal, Vladimir Bukovsky, the Russian dissident, who spent twelve years in Soviet psychiatric units, told of documents from secret Soviet files which he was allowed to study in 1992 as a reward for helping leader Boris Yeltsin. These documents confirm a “conspiracy” to turn the European Union into a socialist state and those who oppose further European integration will be regarded as xenophobes. I think Patricia Hewitt said this publicly” (6)

I would add to his otherwise accurate analysis, that when it comes to race, the dominant western ideology is everything that Nazism is accused of. The importation of immigrants to enrich us, make us more vibrant etc is a form of Lebensraum. Some governmental revulsion at the tyrannies of Hitler’s policy in the east was inevitable, even understandable. But it has now devolved into a cruel and dangerous tyranny itself.

The Nuremberg Trials prompted official policies of medical ethics and the 1950 UNESCO statement on race. Scientific societies made similar statements on race. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights was a response to abuses during the Second World War. It was adopted by the United Nations in 1948. It proclaimed:

Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family.

This was extended in the 1978 UNESCO declaration on race and racial prejudice. The fundamental equality of all human beings is the ideal toward which ethics and science should converge. But in practice racial theories are still used to justify improving the racial stock. In his three-part television series ”Mongrel nation” in June 2003, the Lebanese-born comedian Edie Izzard, claimed that Mongrel dogs are cleverer than pedigree dogs. This metaphor suggested that mongrel people are as a master race, genetically superior to the rest!
The definition of racism in the Macpherson report is:

Racism in general terms consists of conduct, words or practices which disadvantage or advantage people because of their colour, culture or ethnic origin. (Para, 6.4)

Our rulers are discriminating against us because we are white! Where Hitler had proposed a “thousand –year Reich” inhabited by a “Master Race” of Pure Aryans, the inverted Multi-Racial idea is a perfect world made up of a new type of person: the Coffee-Coloured person. Totalitarianism and oppression entered into the British legal system with the Commission for Racial Equality, established in the 1976 Race Relations Act, of Home Secretary Roy Jenkins. His biographer, John Campbell (Weidenfield & Nicolson.1983) revealed he believed:

... that immigration was good for Britain and if people resisted they should be socially engineered into accepting it. Commonwealth immigrants like previous waves of immigrants from the Norman Conquest, to the refugees of the 30’s, could help overcome “our natural Island lethargy”.

Roy Jenkins is probably the most evil British politician who ever lived.

This was the first time that race had been used in British law, and is strikingly similar to the race laws in 1950s Germany which compelled Jews to register their property. Jewish businesses were “Aryanized”, Jewish employees being replaced, and ownership was taken by Germans who bought the businesses cheaply. Jewish doctors were forbidden to treat non-Jews, and Jewish lawyers were not permitted to practice law. A similar law is being introduced by Harriet Harman, who doubtless considers herself a fine anti-racist.  She is the Minister for Women, and her so-called “Equality Law” will stop white men getting jobs and allow employers to give ethnic minority and female candidates preferential treatment. The “doublespeak” is “positive action” and prevents applicants with better job credentials getting the job if they are the wrong sex or race.(7)

People in 1930s Germany had to carry identity papers, but Jews had special identifying marks: a red “J” stamped on them and new middle names for those who did not have obviously “Jewish” first names: “Israel” for males, “Sara” for females. The cards allowed the police to identify Jews easily. The Daily Mail of 26th September reported on our new EU Identity Cards

British identity cards will be covered in EU symbols

Britain’s first identity card in more than half a century was unveiled yesterday - and turned out to be covered in EU symbols to satisfy Brussels.

The plastic card, which will be issued to foreign citizens in Britain starting in November, marks the first stage in the Government’s ambitious scheme to issue biometric ID cards to all UK residents at a cost of billions of pounds.

... Foreigners issued with the cards will not have to show them to get a job or use services such as the NHS and schools

The question as to whether British nationals will, in due course, be also required to show the cards to get a job or obtain hospital treatment and education for their children has not yet been asked.  But as we have racial lists kept to ensure preferential treatment for other ethnic groups, cynically known as Equal Opportunities Monitoring Forms, it seems inevitable that the cards will be used to help enforce priority for other ethnic groups.

The term “racist” is not descriptive but inhibitive. It is used to cow us while our society is transformed from a natural society to a multi-racial state. After the Second World War the terms “nazi” and “fascist” were perhaps more coercive. But as the war receded in memory “racist” has became more effective as it is universally pejorative and not as easy to deny as an alleged attachment to an often hazily understood historical ideology.  Anyone can be, and is, a “racist”.

Racial theories on improving the racial stock are used to justify immigration. In the second reading of the Commonwealth immigrants Bill (16/11/1961, Lord Royle unburdened himself of the observation:

Wouldn’t we be better off with a dash of darker blood?

The multi-racialist Fenner Brockway (later Lord) wrote glowingly of mixed-race people, and in reverential terms distressingly (for him)close to the National Socialist estimation of pure Aryans:

Fifty years ago I read a book by Sir Sidney Olivier, who had been Governer of Jamaica, recording what splendid human specimens, physically and mentally, were the progeny of mixed marriages on that island. Many of us who know the sons and daughters of mixed marriages will bear out this judgement. (8)

The group Hitler valued - us - is the pariah, whereas the groups he persecuted are privileged. It is social engineering to give power to ethnics and displace whites. On 21 April 2004 the Independent  reported that:

British school-leavers could be denied places leading universities for overseas students. Oxford University is to increase the number of overseas undergraduates, who pay higher fees, while freezing the total number of undergraduate places, thus cutting the number of places available to UK school-leavers.


It is corporate elites who want cheap labour imported as well as outsourcing and they operate within the “tender idealism” pushed by politicians. The large corporations expect their “diverse” work force to be loyal not to country but company. This goes well with free markets which have always been utopian and supra national.

Racial Awareness Training is a method of brainwashing that local councils send their employers, employees and decision makers on to be conditioned in correct thinking: “to challenge individual prejudices and values and change them”. It stemmed from the ideas of the Jewish-American Judith Katz who held that “racism is inherent in whites”. There were examples in the USA of blond-haired people, usually women, being racially-abused until they broke down and sobbed. The fact that it was done to blondes speaks eloquently of our victimhood of racism in the guise of anti-racism.

The pace never lets up. In the Parekh Report, or the “Commission on the Future of Multi-Ethnic Britain’s”(Runnymede Trust 2002), we are told the way forward is for the ”United Kingdom to formally declare itself to be a multi-cultural society” page xxi. (9)  We are inducted into our culture, community and our history and traditions, quite naturally, as we grow up. The abstract method though, requires a sort of schoolbook learning process as in the republican “Citizenship classes” which are supposed to make all foreigners British. This process only acts on the surface, on the conscious minds of the pupils, whereas our natural traditional way imbues the very nature of the person as it is slowly internalised into the deep unconscious mind as a uniting bond. The totalitarian method advocated by Parekh has to be forced by brainwashing and politicised police. At the same time the immigrants are allowed to perpetuate the divisions by inducting their own children into their own traditions. They are exempt from Multi-Racialism!

The police are being turned into a race-gestapo. Judge Mapherson began his investigation into the murder of Stephen Lawrence prejudiced against the police. With his mind already made up he used British law as social engineering to mould the police into an anti-racist thought force. They know what we should think from the start, and the idea is not for fair and open enquiry to ascertain the facts of a case but to reach the right conclusion.

This added more layers of totalitarianism to law: MacPherson’s Recommendation 12 states:

A racist incident is any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim, or any other person.

Recommendation 13 adds:

That the term “racist incident” must be understood to include crimes and non-crimes in policing terms. Both must be investigated with equal commitment.

Now we can be investigated for committing non-crimes.

There are frequent purges in the police. Former chief of the Metropolitan Police Sir John Stevens introduced planted informers into police training classes to spy for and report on “racist” officers. An interim report into police handling of their own racism, which was established in 2004 after a television documentary, The Secret Policeman, showed racism at a police training centre in Warrington. The report was produced by a panel led by Sir David Calvert-Smith, a former director of public prosecutions who, like Macpherson, began from prejudice not an open mind. The “enquiry” apparently looked at internal police attitudes to race, including monitoring of race policies and training, recruitment and grievance procedures, rather than operational policing. Like Macpherson this panel had decided the outcome before they started. Smith admitted that his team had decided before they started that police racism was a “major” problem. It was “commonly accepted”, he said, and reinforced by The Secret Policeman, that:

racism is still a major problem within the service. We have not set out to prove that it exists. We have taken it as a given.(10)

This is discrimination against “white” police officers.

The labelling of innocent members of our people, be they policemen, council workers, or anyone else, as “racists”, “bigots”, “haters” etc is an act of dehumanisation. It takes away our human rights and sets us up for persecution for not conforming to Establishment requirements ... for thinking from our natures and not from anti-racist diktat. It is not less totalitarian than that period of German history which is so despised by these same labellers, these hypocrites. If any dissident speaks out against being dispossessed he or she will be persecuted by the state.  And yet speak out we must.

(1) http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/6562….workers-into-EU
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fabric/maliprof.htm; http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/6532….o-more-migrants http://appablog.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/inauguration-of-the-migration-information-and-management-centre-cigem-in-bamako-mali-monday-6-october-2008/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/thi….-uk-472164.html
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23385319-details/Bosses+choosing+committed+foreign+workers+over+‘lazy+British’,+says+CBI/article.do

(2)Salisbury Review. Spring 2003. Vol 21. No3. (http://www.salisbury-review.co.uk)
http://www.britishcouncil.org/new/

(3) http://ukinnl.fco.gov.uk/resources/en/pdf/3190535/insight-uk-ethnic-diversity

(4)http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3589131.stm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/2006/09/the_great_immigration_scandal.html;
The Great Immigration Scandal by Steve Moxon
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4613997.stm

(5) Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1971)pp 653, 655

(6) http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865/print

(7) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7474801.stm
http://www.lg-em.gov.uk/pp/gold/viewGold.asp?IDType=Page&ID=18233

(8) Immigration: what is the answer? (RKP.1965) pp83,84 Fenner Brockway and Norman Pannell

(9) http://www.hrmguide.co.uk/diversity/parekh_report.htm ; http://erc21.blogspot.com/2005/10/parekh-report-2.html
http://www.aml.org.uk/_islamophobia.php



Comments:


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:11 | #

“Roy Jenkins is probably the most evil British politician who ever lived.”  (—from the log entry)

He’s forgetting Roy Hattersley (whew, good thing Gongstar/Nux isn’t around or he’d have a conniption fit at that — guy cannot abide any Yank criticizing Hattersley, just cannot abide it.)


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:37 | #

“For some conservatives, such as Peter Hitchens in The Abolition of Britain, [Roy Jenkins] was a ‘cultural revolutionary’ and takes a large part of the responsibility for the decline of ‘traditional values’ in Britain.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Jenkins


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Posted by Al Ross on Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:18 | #

This, Fred, is that mattoid Hattersley on the Muslim invasion of UK :

“The proposition that Muslims are welcome in Britain if, and only if, they stop behaving like Muslims is a doctrine which is incompatible with the principles that guide a free society.”

The last three words of the above quote could have been replaced with “my Marxist convictions”.

  Labour’s union poodle, leadership team of that era were so stupid and inept, not to mention criminally traitorous, that they couldnt have led Gary Glitter to a kids’ playground.


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Posted by shiva on Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:00 | #

hi all

This is the scariest article i have read in a long time. It just reinforces all that can happen when immigration is allowed to happen against the wishes of the natives. It is similar to the invasion of my country, India, by Muslim bangladeshis, who easily mix in with the others, while the government turns a blind eye to the changing demographic in many of our border districts and increase in islamic crime and violence against the resident Hindus. but siding with the majority hindus is politically unfashionable, and the inevutable demographic explosion is allowed to happen unchecked.
I admire the third reich for what it achieved in the short period that it existed. It was responsible, indirectly, for bringing freedom to my country. Clearly, secular, multi-religious india has acheived much more than monotheistic Pakistan, but secularism is abused by the politicians through cheap appeasement of the minorities.


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Posted by Proofreader on Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:07 | #

    EU economists in Britain and other EU states will “need” 56 million immigrant workers between them by 2050 to make up for the “demographic decline” due to falling birth rates and rising death rates across Europe.

That is a lie! 
Obviously, since these Africans and their families will become net dependents of the Social Security the moment they step out of the plane. Only a fool could possibly believe 56 million Africans will save the Social Security.


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Posted by Gudmund on Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:42 | #

Yes, and what of the AIDS rates?  Are they going to screen the people first?  Obviously with the sheer number of them that’s a no-no, right?  After all, that would be “discrimination” wouldn’t it?


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Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:03 | #

Proofreader: Only a fool could possibly believe 56 million Africans will save the Social Security.

Most politicians are fools of multiculturalism.  Or they are individually much too selfish and fearful to state the facts of African economic utility.  They are whores of big business, too.

Whatever, they are incidental to the process.  As always, one is left searching for the responsible parties and speculating as to whether their motives are psychological, ideological, financial, ethnic or some combination of these.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:32 | #

“one is left searching for the responsible parties”  (—GW)

Precisely!  Precisely!  Precisely!  This is not po-mo liberalism or “the Zeitgeist.”  It’s specific interested parties behind the scenes acting in concert to impose what they want.  Though these parties are hiding from view, they are discoverable, identifiable, curable.  Doing all this evil to us is a collection of flesh-and-blood individuals, each of whom has a name, none of whom is a miasma, Zeitgeist, or ghost.  The lot of them can be pulled off our body like so many ticks off a dog.  In one way or another, the ultimate cure of this affliction will have to boil down to that.


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Posted by Gudmund on Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:41 | #

@ Scrooby,

Yes, but how does one “treat the disease” when EU, US gov’t, and individual European gov’ts are literally swarming with multiculturalist politicians and bureaucrats, businesspeople, and propagandists (“educators”)?  It certainly is being caused by individuals, but when there’s so damned many of them, what do you do?


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:09 | #

Gudmund, the reason there’s no counterweight, none, zero, to those swarms of race-replacers, the reason they’re the only game in town and have been for the past forty years, is the absolute iron-fisted media control exerted precisely by the hidden culprits I was referring to in my comment, media control that demonizes our side.  If you fertilize half your garden and keep throwing herbicide on the other half the instant anything sprouts there, no need to ask yourself why only half your garden grows and the other half is a desert.  How do you lift that media lockdown?  I can’t foresee every step the process of lifting it will ultimately pass through, but the first step in that process has to be naming the specific individuals and/or specific groups behind it.  Naming someone who prefers to remain hidden weakens him.  It also speeds the awakening realization in the minds of good folk who are concerned but don’t see what’s going on, don’t see who’s behind what’s going on, and may think it’s ghostly miasmas doing it.  So it both weakens our opponent and swells our own ranks, which prepares everyone for taking the succeeding step, whatever that succeeding step might be and right now I don’t know exactly what it will be but it will emerge when it’s needed.

When a specific person or group who is less a liberal activist than an ethnic activist is spared appropriate counterattack because of confusion on our side as to his motivations (liberalism versus ethnicity — there’s a huge difference in outcomes), it doesn’t help us toward our goal of ending the Eurosphere’s current nightmarish sleepwalk right straight into race-replacement annihilation.


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Posted by calvin on Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:26 | #

There is no European demographic crisis. Like all other populations European populations fluctuate and, as was pointed out by the seminal genius, Adam Smith,  populations fluctuate in correspondence with the availability of resources and the opportunity to acquire these.

An optimal population is arrived at when the number of people in a society corresponds with the ability of that society to provide the resources required by the people in accordance with the expectations defined by their culture. In Africa populations have increased rapidly over the past half century because Africans have low economic expectation s and have had increases in resources by virtue of massive Western aid. In Europe high economic expectations have led to a decrease in population that corresponds to an increase in quality of life. The present population status of Europe is a choice based on a prioritisation of quality of life over procreative success.

Even the self-serving conclusion that European populations are in decline is based on rank ignorance. The population trend in Europe over the past several hundred years has been resolutely upwards. The predicted collapse of European populations is based on choosing to arbitrarily draw a starting point below one of the periodic dips in this irresolutely upward demo graphical trend and falsely promote a temporary trend as a general tendency. In other words Europeans are being systematically lied to.

The insane theory that Europeans will be unable to support their aeging populations is based on what the establishment calls the dependency ratio. Many patriots have gone to great lengths to propose alternative solutions to this problem that obviate the need for the importation of the surplus population of africa. Whilst this may be noble, it is also ignorant. Changes in the distribution of age through the general population that will result in an increase in the percentage of the population that is beyond working age will have zero effect on the financial burden (taxation) that accrues to the working age population. Why? Because in their understanding of dependency ratios the ruling elite have cherry picked in a way that conforms to a preconceived agenda. The elite have looked at the problems posed by demographic changes without balancing them with the advantages.

Pensioners are not the only dependents on state largess. If we take into consideration the considerable cost of prenatal, natal and post natal, care, educational provision from the age of four to sixteen, eighteen and often beyond and universal free health care for under sixteens, it should be obvious that the fiscal savings that accrue as a very result of the decline in percentage of young dependents that leads to a rise in the average age of the population, would ameliorate any fiscal burden it imposes, in fact, it is probable. Most crime is committed by under twenty fives, an ageing society will be a proportionally less criminal society. A fall in population will eliminate unemployment and free hundreds of thousands of women into the labour market for longer periods of time. Unavailability of labour will increase the value of labour, this will push up wages. For these and many other reasons a demographic stabilisation will be of enormous financial benefit to European nations.  Mass immigration has decreased per-capita earnings for the majority of the UK population whilst increasing GDP. It doesn’t take a genius to work out that the profits of mass-immigration are being distributed according to the Pareto principle to the enormous economic benefit of the 20% and to the enormous social and economic detriment of the other 80%.


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Posted by calvin on Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:31 | #

Ehrr! Sorry if that post is a bit unclear. I’m a bit drunk at the moment.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:25 | #

Calvin, the post is superb, same as always from your keyboard, comrade.


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Posted by Lurker on Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:06 | #

A relative high IQ white population falling in numbers need not be a problem at all with automation, mechanization etc. A rising low IQ population is a solution? These multicults bleating about demographic decline sound almost like they are living before the industrial revolution.

Years ago on Vdare someone pointed out that one old geezer driving a snowplow could clear a winter road much better than a gang of 3rd world coolies with shovels.

As Calvin points out working practices can change, can be changed. eg people over 65 dont suddenly collapse in a heap and become incapable. Many could (and do) work at least part-time and do so by choice. My grandfather worked part-time into his 70s in a physical job and not really for the money, just enjoyed working.


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Posted by Glyn Roach on Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:17 | #

shiva darling, West Bengal is mentioned in here -

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/moslem_migration_a_tool_of_the_elites/#comments

Please contact me

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)


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Posted by Captainchaos on Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:22 | #

Make no mistake, these bastards want to, or don’t care if we are, exterminated.  Any White man, if he loves his people, will fight them in all the way it is within his power to undertake.


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Posted by Marwinsing on Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:08 | #

@ calvin: amen.
@ Captainchaos: amen.
@ Harold, my 82-yr-old landlord: amen.


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Posted by Al Ross on Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:33 | #

Calvin, mass immigration may have increased GDP but it has not improved the most important figure, viz., per capita GDP.


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Posted by WD on Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:32 | #

First, I’d like to thank my white brothers and sisters for their intelligent comments.  What is race but extended family?

Second, I’d like to say that I’m more interested in preserving the white race than utopian journeys into eugenics.  I’m with Salzer, _On Genetic Interests_.


———
The white patriot’s Coat of Arms:  gens alba conservanda est (the white race must be preserved)


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Posted by EA (European American) Steve on Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:59 | #

Great post, Calvin! I agree, immigration of 3rd world peoples is not particularly beneficial, contrary to what we are told. Also, in theory, an aging population is actually stable. If taxes and pensions, or economic social security programs are implemented properly, no money is lost. For the most part, people get what they put in. The only other factor is management and not using the pensions for other (non-emergency) purposes. Ironically, it’s the politicians who tell us to immigrate more, so that would have to mean they are lying, or as indicated, mismanaging. If it’s such a problem, then that should mean they mismanaged our resources and social security taxes; no?

Here is my ranking of harm. 1. miscegenation 2. immigration and temporary official 3. not procreating

Not procreating is bad; but it’s a cycle that can be compensated at a later date, assuming their is not a demographic invasion. It can even be a good thing, in a time of demographic safety, as it could weed out deliberate homosexuals and those who don’t want children.

Worse is immigration and temporary official invasion. This cuts off our living space and resources, but at least leaves our genes alone, in and of itself. In the long-term, it can lead to a new immigrant population more able to conquer and destroy the host population. However, it’s more of a short-paced method.

The third and worst demographic threat is race-mixing. It cuts off not only living space and resources. It cuts away at the potential host population, and gives to the foreign population, at the same time. Especially when done to the host’s women, it destroys reproductive ability. It’s also easier for mixed part-Whites to interbred with Whites, than it is for pure non-Whites to do so. (This is one reason why I genetically feel more comfortable with Blacks than with Hispanics. Blacks are ironically more like us, genotypically, while being phentotypically less like us. White women are also more likely to marry Brown Hispanics than Black men. With my support of Blacks over Browns in demographics, Result: Less mixing, while yet more gentetically similarity with those already mixed, who in theory have a harder time still of mixing, than those of Mestizo heritage)

On another note, I apologize for going off topic; however, I have an issue to bring up. We need to expand/spread our message. Without falling under the “fringe” image, we need to broaden our message; or at least the message of those who agree with us. Some examples include (but not limited to) this site Majority Rights, American Renaissance, European Americans United, and to an extent, David Duke.

There is an advantage and disadvantage to an internet, for spreading messages. The advantage is that it’s currently free of censorship and monopoly. However, there is also a disadvantage; messages are diluted. Relatively speaking, comments from most sites (even from most major sites) are drops in the bucket, in relative terms to the whole internet and compared to prime television. Our message would almost be better spread through Animal Planet, than through the current sphere of the internet. Yes, Youtube has a video or two with major attention almost every week, through prime news channels (such as CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, etc.). However, that is through those channels, which are already monopolized and censored anyways.

My suggestion is to build our own movement, slowly, for all organs. We didn’t first evolve a whole heart, and then a whole set of lungs, then whole set of kidneys, then stomach, then liver (,etc.), all from scratch. All evolved and continue to evolve together. They are intertwined. We need alternative media news sources, entertainment industries, major organizations, alternative pro-White communities and coalitions, and maybe even defense militias (to compensate for radical non-White gangs which may spread out into White Suburban and rural areas; NOT to rebel against the Federal Government). As the organizations grow, they will fund each other. Our goal is to have news channel, akin to pro-White local news channel/White version of neo-conservative Fox News; and a White cultural channel akin to the History Channel. We also need a cheaper, White version of Hollywood. We also need advocacy groups (which will also work on awakening Whites), Lawyer Defense Teams (to compensate for the Southern Poverty Law Center), White Literature Publishing Houses and think tanks, and even a defense militia (not to rebel against the Federal Government, but to prepare White Communities for potential invasions by, say, Nation of Islam and MS-13). We also need committees of correspondence to compensate for areas dominated by foreign gangs; again, no rebellion against federal authorities. One last idea is, committees for migrations. Selective migration is key, and must be implemented ASAP. The Southwestern (except the top fifth of CA) are to be evacuated now! South Florida, Mississipi, Louisiana, and likely Southern Alabama are to be evacuated now.

Areas to look into are South Carolina, Maryland, New Jersey. A likely fourth area would be Eastern Colorado, if a surplus of Whites is available. These are “I” areas (I=imediate; term made by Thomas W. Chittum) for Whites.


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Posted by EA Steve on Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:04 | #

“short-paced method. “

Correction: Slow-paced method. This is regarding the second harm category, immigration and temporary invasion.


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Posted by EA Steve on Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:19 | #

“The Southwestern (except the top fifth of CA) are to be evacuated now!”

Correction: The Southwestern border states (except the top fifth of CA) are to be evacuated now!

Hawaii is also to be included, in evacuation.

We should probably encourage politically conservative Whites and Christian Whites to migrate from California to South Carolina and Maryland. Whites in South Florida need to move north, with Hillsborough, Polk, Osceola, and Indian River being our new border counties (of North Florida).


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Posted by Ben R on Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:43 | #

How about emailing politicians and representatives to the EU questioning them about this & pointing out how unnecessary and counterproductive these policies are?

Also point out to them the evidence on IQ testing:

http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2008logical-fallacies.pdf


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Posted by wjg on Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:26 | #

First off in regards to the main thread.  More and more these policy proposals by ZOG (in this case ZOG EU) are beyond debating.  This bullshit about importing Africa to sustain pensions is beneath contempt.*  It deserves debating about as much “why should you even live white man”?  The policy is naked genocide on a scale never seen in the world before.  In a decent world its advocates would have already felt how a rope likes to constrict when their weight challenges the strength of a tree.  Granted that decent world is currently a dream but still these schemes must start bringing these demons consequences.  I admire what Calvin and others are doing in trying to refute them in the style of Aryan logic and decency.  But until we get to a point where these advocates like Castex fear us nothing will change.  How to make them fear us is the first challenge and question.

* By the way I remember as a child in the early 70s when Judah hissed a different tune out of its forked tongue.  Then there were too many “people” in the world and birth rates had to be reduced and the blows of feminism, faggotry, and abortion worked to a tee.  All the Crackers sangs Kumbaya while the rest of the world laughed.  If you lived in that era you will remember the hysterics about world population in every corner of pop culture.  Now it is obvious that there were only too many WHITE people at that time and since then our numbers have declined while the rest of humanity has exploded.  Now are there still too many people in the world as compared to the 70s?  You would think “yes” if the same logic was still in effect.  But the answer is “no” according to our masters even though there are billions more people.  What gives?  The answer is clear: We give.  And this latest scheme is more of the same.

The current model is:

1.  Judah and their tools posit another scheme to further degrade and destroy Euro Man
2.  The dwindling defenders of Euro Man argue against them using logic and reason
3.  These counter arguments are ignored and/or vilified
4.  The original policy is implemented with little or no physical opposition

5.  1 - 4 are repeated in ever more malignant fashion

A new model needs to emerge

1.  Judah and their tools posit another scheme to further degrade and destroy Euro Man
2.  Key proponents of this scheme face social pricing or whatever other pain mechanism can be brought to bear to a degree that they find the scheme no longer worth advocating
3.  New proponents of the scheme are found
4.  New ways of making their lives unpleasant “persuade” them to rethink their involvement
5.  Etc.
6.  Eventually either a watered down scheme is implemented or the whole plan abandoned

Then we can go on the ideological offense as Judah has been for the last 100 years

7.  We propose policies in our interests through whatever channels are available
8.  Key opponents face consequences and decide to pursue other interests
9.  Even if not implemented the policy still is heard and discussed
10. Repeat 7 - 9 in ever progressive fashion

At that point Euro Man will have loosed his chains and if enough have sufficient will stays on the offensive.  Alright this is easier said than done and this is not to say that well thought out essays in opposition have no value.  They do and forums like this excel in that area.  It’s just that we need sticks and stones since our words don’t hurt.

How to socially price or bring about pain to Judah and its tools is a question I don’t have an answer to but it needs to happen.  They do it to us now and we need to turn the tables.  The defensive alone will never work.  It must be joined to the attack.


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Posted by wjg on Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:58 | #

EA Steve,

Good positive view as we often tend to focus just on the negative side.  The migrations of White folk in the US is happening now.  The problem is once they get to the whiter area no long term fixes are implemented due to any number of problems not the least of which is the ZOG’s Orwellian named Civil Rights laws that prevent Whites from association by choice and also because we don’t think explicitly as Whites, only implicitly.  I now live in northern Idaho after having moved from northern Virginia.  The new locale is so much better.  Northern Virginia had something like to Stage III Meztisosis/Mongolosis/Africosis* and was fast approaching Stage IV.  Unfortunately where we now are is not disease free but like at Stage I.  If nothing changes it will keep progressing. There is nothing more repulsive than seeing the first lesions of the disease in an otherwise healthy body like when I saw two mulatto bastard children in our neighborhood across the street and see other “people of color” even in the relatively remote northwest.  Wherever we go, they WILL follow (since they rationally want to avoid the hell that exists wherever their own people predominate) unless we stop them.

How do we, under current circumstances, even start to get the explicit whiteness ball rolling?  The religious angle should not be ignored.  That’s why the efforts of Identity Christians, Kinists, and pre and post Christian pro-White systems of faith are valuable.  Neither should the petty ethnic (in the sense of the traditional broader identity normative in America) such as German, English, etc.  One thing that definitely works is agrarianism in that colored peoples just aren’t cut out for that sort of lifestyle (neither are most modern Whites) but this is implicit whiteness which we need to grow out of.

It’s ironic that one path to success may be a cult-like approach in the sense that our whole damnable “mainstream” is a state church - the multicult - that heretofore all hominids in the West must join or face the consequences of heresy.  Will the high priests of the multi-cult (aka judges) allow competing faiths?  Pierce and Hale tried but could have used a wee bit more subtlety.

*I’m borrowing this term from Wintermute though the stages are somewhat arbitrary.  They should be more objectively defined as with analogous diseases.


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Posted by j on Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:21 | #

migrants could be needed to meet the shortfall in two years if Europe is to have a hope of funding the pension and health needs of its growing elderly population.

The above statement by the European Union describes a fact, that in a few years about 30% of the population of Europe will be over 65 y.o. No sustainable society can feed and care for such a dead weight. 

The obvious solution is to increase native natality, but governments are not succeeding in that. Not even the National Socialist were able to do it, and they tried by all methods, including granting gold medals to mothers, providing free insemination services to unwed women, kidnapping Polish children and so on. Killing millions of Jews did not add even one baby to their Volk. Killing Poles and Russians definitely decreased their own numbers.

The European Union (as well as the USA)  could easily seal its borders to foreigners, but it is not doing it. On the contrary, it is recruiting potential workforce in its former colonies, trying to stabilize the population. My personal opinion is that it is a mistake, but I also feel their desperation to find a solution. It is like an unfertile 40 something years old couple, desperate for the baby they cannot have, go to the Phillipines or Guatemala or Zimbabwe to adopt ANY baby. It is difficult to criticize these unfortunate people in their face, I for one cannot do it.

Being things as they are, to talk about Lebensraum (that is conquering foreign lands to make room for one´s excess population) is rather anacronic. The concept did make sense 200 years ago, when European peasants were leaving in their millions hunted by hunger and poverty: the English and Irish went to British Colonies, strengthening the British Empire, while Bavarian peasants had no suitable place of theirs to go but America, strengthening therefore Germany´s Anglo Saxon enemies. In the current situation, when there is no excess population but the opposite, makes no sense to talk about Lebensraum.

I fail to understand how conquering land (Lebensraum) and persecute Judah (sic) will create even one more Danish, Norwegian or Swedish baby, which is the only thing that can help the European Man (sic) to survive.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:39 | #

“The obvious solution is to increase native natality, but governments are not succeeding in that.”  (—J)

Nowhere in the Eurosphere has it been seriously tried.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:44 | #

Confiscating every penny earned by young white couples in order to shower it on non-white immigrants so they can have all the non-white babies they want, leaving whites with not a cent to pay for having their own white babies, isn’t exactly likely to promote white births yet is the official policy of every Eurosphere nation on the planet.


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Posted by Armor on Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:42 | #

[The EU] is recruiting potential workforce in its former colonies, trying to stabilize the population.  (—j)

EU countries import many immigrants who do not work. In France and Britain, I think the number of whites is going down, but the overall population is increasing. In order to “stabilize the population”, they would have to stop immigration and do some expelling.

In the current situation, when there is no excess population but the opposite, makes no sense to talk about Lebensraum. (—j)

In the current situation, population pressure is increasing and the whites are being crowded out by immigrants. The English would not be comfortable with a 100 million population living in Britain, but African immigrants may continue multiplying so long as they have food. Islands like the French Indies or the Réunion Island, where non-whites live partly on government money, tend to become overcrowded. The same may happen in Western countries. (Although I think the black population is stable in the United States, is it not?)


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Posted by EA Steve on Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:26 | #

“Here is my ranking of harm. 1. miscegenation 2. immigration and temporary official 3. not procreating”

Correction: Here is my ranking of harm. 1. miscegenation 2. immigration and temporary official invasion 3. not procreating


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Posted by RJR on Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:35 | #

(Although I think the black population is stable in the United States, is it not?)

As far as I can tell it seems to stay in the low teens as a % and has been that way for decades.  I’m sure the fact that negroes will shoot each other for just about any reason (or for no reason at at all), and have highly unhealthy lives has much to do with it.  One bright spot in this whole racial disaster we find ourselves in, I suppose.  Thank God for it.


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Posted by EA Steve on Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:07 | #

Another thing keeping the Black population’s percentage in check, is the growing Brown Hispanic population. The Blacks would be approaching to the upper teens, in a few decades (?), without the Hispanics.

While about 15% of the population, Brown Hispanics comprise of, I want to say, about 80% of our legal and illegal immigrants. I could be wrong, but this is what I heard. Even if this is technically wrong, they are still the large majority of immigrants. They also have the highest birthrate, with the possible exception of Muslims. Brown Hispanics make the Blacks look like us, in reproduction!

Although I would favor keeping the Black percentage relatively low (without doing anything immoral and/or illegal), I would still rather have a near 20% Black population (and rest White), than a majority Brown Hispanic population.


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Posted by silver on Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:10 | #

The above statement by the European Union describes a fact, that in a few years about 30% of the population of Europe will be over 65 y.o. No sustainable society can feed and care for such a dead weight.

That’s an empty assertion.  70 year olds are not useless. 

The obvious solution is to increase native natality, but governments are not succeeding in that.

They’ve hardly tried.  And it’s only an “obvious solution” to the numerically challenged.

but governments are not succeeding in that. Not even the National Socialist were able to do it, and they tried by all methods, including granting gold medals to mothers, providing free insemination services to unwed women, kidnapping Polish children and so on.

You just called it an “obvious solution,” now you’ve pretty much dismissed it as impossible. 

The European Union (as well as the USA) could easily seal its borders to foreigners, but it is not doing it.

Not least because every jewish organization in Europe screams bloody murder at the very suggestion.  (You’re a jew, tell us, why do they do this?)

It is like an unfertile 40 something years old couple, desperate for the baby they cannot have, go to the Phillipines or Guatemala or Zimbabwe to adopt ANY baby.

There are plenty of babies available for adoption of one’s own race.  Nobody needs to go to a third-world shithole to adopt.

Being things as they are, to talk about Lebensraum (that is conquering foreign lands to make room for one´s excess population) is rather anacronic[sic]. The concept did make sense 200 years ago, when European peasants were leaving in their millions hunted by hunger and poverty

Actually, in some quarters, it made sense 41 years ago, and indeed, still makes sense today.  You should know, you were even considering grabbing your own bit of lebensraum yourself your blog informs us.

I fail to understand how conquering land (Lebensraum) and persecute Judah (sic) will create even one more Danish, Norwegian or Swedish baby, which is the only thing that can help the European Man (sic) to survive.

You got that right, you’ve completely failed to understand the context in which “lebensraum” was being used in the article.  And you also fail to understand that more babies is not the only thing that can help Europeans survive.  The real “only thing” is possessing racially exlcusive territoies.

Question: why are you, as an Isreali, so intensely interested in the affairs of Europeans?


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Posted by A small man with a big belly. on Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:57 | #

J - You’ve got it entirely and completely wrong.

The EU has a massive unemployment problem, and has done so for the past 30 odd years.
Spain, for example, has at least 12% unemployed and France, Germany, Britain and Italy the main powers are all afflicted with mass unemployment. There is no sign this will change, and as for the assertion that the EU is ‘overburdened’ with the elderly, the rates of youth unemployment across the EU are appalling in almost every state.
To say that immigration is necessitated in order to bolster the workforce is just plain ignorance or ‘bollocks’ to quote a more honest English phrase.
And, oh, by the way what will Israel do with the teeming millions of young Palestinians demographically slated to form the new majority?


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:04 | #

“providing free insemination services to unwed women”  (—J)

Are you referring to the Lebensborn project, J?  If so, the claim that that was “an SS super-race breeding project” has turned out to have been a piece of Allied wartime propaganda.  It’s in Wikipedia — look it up.  (Unless it’s changed since last time I checked two years ago — that’s not unknown at Wikipedia, especially where anything about the Germans is concerned.)

If it’s Lebensborn you’re referring to, do you have a reference that explains your comment?  I’d like to know more about it.


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Posted by j on Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:38 | #

Scrooby,

I am no historian and apparently I was referring to Lebensborn, (see The Times, November 6, 2006,
‘Himmler was my godfather’). Himmler´s breeding program, facilitating selected inseminators to the large number of German unmarried woman, is quite well known, but it mostly failed because of was unacceptable to the large masses of Christian people in Germany, and because of lack of modern genetic knowledge.  It was a voluntary program, no force was applied. The program was little publicized after the war to protect the children from the stigma of being products of a Nazi breeding. I read some articles about these innocent children, even in Denmark, and they had had a very hard life. They too are victims. Nazism gave such a a bad name to the eugenic movement that it is dead forever.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:25 | #

J, I just looked at the Wikipedia article and it’s been corrupted by word games inserted by individuals who imagine they’re still fighting World War II against German Nazism, so that article is useless.  I don’t have time at the moment to do an exhaustive search.  I’ve read explanations, which I believe, that Lebensborn was a basically a program to provide decent conditions for unwed German mothers.  The half-German half-Norwegian Lebensborn children in Norway were simply the unintended but inevitable result of German occupation troops fraternizing with the local Norwegian girls.  The story of a master-race breeding program was wartime and post-war propaganda.


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Posted by Armor on Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:42 | #

Nazism gave such a bad name to the eugenic movement that it is dead forever. (—j)

Maybe there is no longer a eugenic movement because their ideas have become mainstream. Today, abortion is usually the preferred option when trisomy is detected.
While the nazis had a preference for their own race, our current western governments have a preference for racial mixing with non-whites. It is a kind of reverse eugenics.


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Posted by j on Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:53 | #

Armor is right. I would say that all governments are for miscegenation. In Latin America it is State ideology and policy (since Vasconcelos’s Cosmic Man) in the last 200 years.  In Europe and the US it is more muted, but the cultural environment certainly favors mixed couples, and as it seems now, also the political system loves it. America’s next leader may be a mulatto much loved by the people, even if paradoxically, he himself rejected his mixed roots and has been striving all his life to be an American African, which he is not. China is so big and homogeneous that never had a racial issue.


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Posted by poker_hot_shaken on Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:13 | #

Wow.

What a great board.

First time poster here and I’d like to say, except for the disinfo posts (can’t you get a real job where you actually produce something of value):

Keep kicking!


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Posted by Calvin on Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:13 | #

“The above statement by the European Union describes a fact, that in a few years about 30% of the population of Europe will be over 65 y.o. No sustainable society can feed and care for such a dead weight”

Total crap! Population fluctuates in a cyclical fashion. Paradoxically as birthrates decrease the incentives to have children actually increase. Lower demand for housing makes family homes cheaper, a declining labour pool pushes up wages, nursery places become more available, school classes become smaller and school performances improve. If you actually look at European population trends over the last few decades we had a massive boom in the sixties and a mini-boom in the eighties. This indicates a pattern of continuous self-correction, not decline. The reality is probably more likely that our future pensions are being squandered paying for the massive and carefully hidden costs of the recent mass-migrations. The last open statistics from Denmark that I know of revealed that their recent migrant population of 4% consumed 30% of its welfare budget.

The ability of the working age population in any society depends upon its earning capacity in relation to the overall number of dependents (that means counting at both ends of the scale). As I’ve already said, population decrease affects the earning capacity of any society in many positive ways. A working population less tied to childcare and provision for immediate dependents (children to you and me), is a more flexible workforce and a workforce that, having fewer immediate fiscal responsibility, is much more free to take temporary cuts in pay in order to increase skills and experience or to take gambles in new ventures. As a working population declines numerically it increases in value as a commodity. A decline in population decreases competition for jobs and unemployment declines. More women are free to participate in the jobs market, indeed, one of the biggest fallacies of the population hysterics is to confuse people of working age with people of working age who are likely to be working, and the latter figure wouldn’t include many single parents, women with young families who can’t afford to pay for full time child care (most people to me and you) or the few hundred thousand fit young men who are collecting their giros at the moment. High employment, value employment, and high pay all sums to a shit load of extra tax. It’s up to the government of the day to decide whether that money should be used to support the people who have contributed to the pot, or to bomb strafe and maim Iraqis, Serbs and Iranians.


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Posted by Jono on Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:23 | #

How do whites avoid going out of their minds with the worry of all of this?

I can see clearly what is happening, but the vast majority of whites are happy to watch football and Corrie.

I am sure that in the early years of the 3rd Reich, intelligent Jews could see what was happening but they were dismissed by their brothers as being insane.

If you try to talk to people about this kind of thing, even if they are thinkers themselves, their eyes just glaze over. They really do not see that this is genocide.

I was reading a history of WWI by Norman Stone earlier. He points out on pg 18 that the length of platforms gave the game away about the purpose of any given station. Of course in those days it was for the transport of soldiers to the front. Now it may be for something more sinister. I would be interested to know the length of platform for the new Crossrail terminus at Maidenhead. There are a lot of places around Maidenhead that give the locals the creeps. Research it for yourself.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:46 | #

Somehow I’d missed Calvin’s comment a couple above.  Another outstanding statement by that clear-thinking Scot!



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