Let’s do the math, Landsburg

Of course, the mass “payout” would inflate the money supply, promoting inflation, and reducing the real value of the money.

In real terms: there is no effective compensation.  All we can say is that, in current dollars, 4 Mexicos = $7 million apiece. 

One wonders how John Doe, average middle class American, is getting $7 million in value from 4 mestizos working as maids in some rich guy’s house, or picking vegetables in the fields.

It doesn’t quite compute.

And if Landsburg doesn’t think “potential” unborn children have value, would he think that there should be no compensation given to a healthy young woman, who wants children, to be permanently sterilized by an accident?

Excellent piece.  I’d call it a classic.  The ending of course was exceedingly satisfying:  Landsberg and Alon Ziv in their writings are doing nothing other than promoting genocide against Euros (THE goal of Jewish ethnic warfare, it turns out), clumsily attempting to camouflage it in distracting, irrelevant academic verbiage which fools fewer and fewer open-eyed observers.  Julius Streicher was hanged for this.  So this pair deserve to be!  They need to be arrested exactly as David Irving and Germar Rudolf were, and hauled before a tribunal, but a Nuremberg-type tribunal.  Landsberg and Ziv in fact are guiltier than Streicher, in that the law used against him was ex post facto (therefore by rights not applicable to him ... which didn’t stop the corrupt Allies, of course); it won’t be ex post facto for these two, having been “on the books” for sixty years now.  Some organization should go for it.  Of course it hasn’t a chance of succeeding, but “Rome wasn’t built in a day,” “Little strokes fell great oaks,” and “A journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step”:  the Jews didn’t topple normalness all of a sudden in one single step but chip-chip-chipped away at it non-stop starting in the 1880s and a century-and-a-quarter later they and the alliance they’d built had the West and the white race literally on the verge of going under.  That’s how it’s done:  by chip-chip-chipping away.

Let’s start:  two can play that game ...

One can only hope that legally convened tribunals of the future will take such cases up with the same enthusiasm as the Streicher case was prosecuted more than 60 years ago.

I’ll clear some space on my calendar, JW, and no worries about my enthusiasm!

Regarding the topic of calendrics, I have long been interested in an old proposal made by Dave Stennet or the even more mysterious “Ursus Major”, from the now defunct ESU, that Europeans (who are really only now being born as a people) require holidays to celebrate and reinforce their own achievements and existence. To this end, it was proposed that dates be found for the battls of Chalons and Themopylae, which would then become pan-European holidays. I suppose anti-Turkic battles would do just as well. Suggestions and dates are welcome from the gallery.

At any rate, I bring up the topic because the Jews killed Streicher on Purim, one of the many festivals during which they commemorate the murder of Gentiles - Passover for the murder of Egyptian children, Purim for the murder of Persians, Chanukah for the murder of Greco-Romans and so forth. Isn’t it strange that all Jewish holidays celebrate murder? I wonder what sort of personality is born of such an intensively bloodthirsty and frequent ritual? But I digress.

On what Gentile holiday would Mr. Landsburg be executed?  Until Stennet and UM’s recommendations are met, we as a people have no convenient day which marks the defense of the European people and their Race-Culture against Asiatics.

Also, I would not want for Mr. Landsburg, or indeed, any of his active Landmen for whom we would be able to enter writings into IMT evidence, to be forgot. To this end, I feel that some WN/ anti-NWO type should buy up http://www.mmedefarge.com or http://www.charlottecorday.com to list the accused, their writings, and the crimes with which they are charged. Our very clever Finnish poster has already written convincingly about ‘selling shares in the future’ - whether by explaining to Whites that their children’s lives will soon resemble those of White children in Zimbabwe, or explaining to some White collaborater that his writings or actions will not be forgotten when the day comes.

The mere existence of mmedefarge.com or charlottecorday.com would tend to emphasize, both to WNs and to our opponents that we take the charge of genocide, as defined by the United Nations and the IMT, very seriously.

In fact, to not keep tally of the would be genocides would be tantamount to saying, we’re not really serious when we throw the word around.

But if not genocide, then what is becoming of us? And if genocide is being perpetrated against us, why are we not maintaining lists of the instigators, the rabble-rousers, the theorists, the financiers, the publicists, agents of indoctrination, and so on? Shouldn’t every policeman in the emply of the UK’s Diversity Directorate have his name on the list of those who will have to be at least interrogated by the court to judge their complicity, just as the SS were treated separately from the Wehrmacht at Nuremburg? Shouldn’t members of the American State Department, or whatever branch of the Executive supervises the ban on boycotting Israel, be marked for the same treatment? Of the Duke University academics, every academic who signed the proclamation of guilt against the Duke Three just days after the case became public, should obviously spend the rest of their lives in prison. Does someone here disagree? Noel Ignatiev surely deserves death for his crimes, but what of the administrations that hired or kept him on, what of his fellow academicians who said nothing? Should not all alike be punished? I simply propose an online clearing house for information about those persons who will have to be investigated, following any national revolutions, velvet or otherwise.

To remind readers of just what we’re discussing here, I reprint the first three articles of the 1948 Convention on the Punishment and Prevention of the Crime of Genocide.

Article I

The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

The articles also give us significant latitude for the names and faces that might be listed on http://www.charlottecorday.com:

Article III

The following acts shall be punishable:

(a) Genocide;

(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;

(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;

(d ) Attempt to commit genocide;

(e) Complicity in genocide.

“Complicity” jumps out at me as an awfully broad word. So far as I know, every member of the House and Senate save Ron Paul is guilty. The IMT leaves us more than just a precdent for acting against Streicher-types: the attendees of Bilderberg and members of the CFR, the “neocons”, their think tanks, magazines, etc, are all also additionally accountable under Article 6 of the IMT Charter:

“"The following acts, or any of them, are crimes coming within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal for which there shall be individual responsibility:

“(a) Crimes against peace: namely, planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing”

Of course, these deliberations can wait until another date - preferably, a holiday!

So, does anyone have some good dates (or equivalents in our calenders) for Thermopylae, Tours, Chalons? I’d like the sentences to be carried out, if possible, on days that commemorate other noble victories of European Man over and against the strategies of Asia.

Harry, that’s an important link you posted.  I just browsed it and recommend others do the same.  Not everything in it was to my taste exactly, but there’s good stuff in there.  I’ll say again (as I think I’ve said in another thread) that CvH is mistaken in insisting that the spiritual springs from the material.  For all anyone knows it’s the other way around:  the material springs from the spiritual (in fact, that appears more likely; perhaps even logically necessary).  One of the obvious problems with what he says, a problem the Marxist dialectical materialism of the 1800s which he’s so glaringly absorbed didn’t take into account because it only came to light with the physics of the first three decades of the new century, is that the smaller you go the less clear it is what the “material” consists of, as opposed to the insubstantial (the world of pure mathematics) — energy, waves, points in electromagnetic and gravitational fields, and so on.  Every informed layperson today knows about this stuff of course, but some may not realize one of the things it introduces is a blurring of the distinction between the material and the immaterial at the “ultimate” level.  In bizarrely insisting, as CvH does all the time, that racialism depends on the materialist view of ultimate reality he is, without realizing it, setting the thing we all find of central importance upon a foundation bound to collapse:  in the year 2007 the materialist view of reality is vulnerable to withering attack, devastating attack.  It simply cannot be defended.  I’m no materialist yet no one surpasses me in my appreciation of race, no one.  Maybe CvH needs to take a few physics courses.  But why in the world insist on this view of reality as the only basis for racialism and the preservation of the white race?  Not only is he encumbering something simple with totally unnecessary philosophical baggage, he’s encumbering it with the obsolete Marxist/Hegelian dialectical-materialist philosophy of the mid-nineteenth century (already obsolete by the time of Max Planck, never mind Special and General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics and all that’s come since), a materialist philosophy that cannot stand up to modern critique.  By needlessly linking racialism and materialism he’s bizarrely weakening racialism, and for no gain, none whatsoever.  No one should pay attention to this, in my view.

Ben, Senator Lindsay Graham’s behavior had me mystified.  I hadn’t even thought of a homosexual angle but seeing you speculate about it, Bingo! It all instantly falls into place and everything fits.  I think you’re onto something.

Incidentally, here’s Sailer’s entry on Landsburg.

No, Fred, CvH’s essay on racial materialism may be the best thing he’s written, and I am no fan of his.

The mysteries of quantum mechanics do not invalidate the concrete nature of biological race, and if one accepts Everett’s “multiverse” theory as the explanation for quantum mechanics’ mysteries, that falls away as well.

Do not distort what CvH is saying here.  He is frankly saying that Evolian “spiritual race” is bullshit, nonsense, and this is correct.  What is this “spiritual race?” How is it defined?

Evolian-Yockeyian “spiritual race” is merely an illogical reaction to the “racial theories” prevalent at their time, and before, which were, as Salter describes, disjunctive and essentialist - even and especially in the intracontinental sphere - and which, basically, stated that positive traits such as honor, nobility, and courage were characteristic of certain groups and not others.

How does one react to these theories?  If one is prone, as was Evola, to mysticism, aristocracy, and nonsense about “tantric ideas” and “gnosticism” one invents the idea of “spiritual race” - that is, a person can be a biological member of race “A”, but a spiritual member of race “B”, and the spiritual trumps the biological.

A more sane and truthful explanation could have instead focused on the fact that no group has a monopoly on honor, courage, and nobility, and that the intracontinental racial differences are, on average, a fraction of those which are intercontinental, and that many of the peoples of Europe are mixtures of the various “disjunctive” categories - and thus, even if one wanted to ascribe certain positve traits as characteristic of groups, one could always theorize on a heredity mechanism for their transmission to other, closely related groups.  The latter borders on silliness, but it is still better than fevered fantasies about “spiritual race.”

Wintermute,

“So, does anyone have some good dates (or equivalents in our calenders) for Thermopylae, Tours, Chalons? I’d like the sentences to be carried out, if possible, on days that commemorate other noble victories of European Man over and against the strategies of Asia.”

I propose August 20, 1794 as a memorable date to commemorate by executing enemies of the white race.  And this would be a particularly appropriate date for also hanging white race traitors. 

This was the date General Anthony Wayne led the American Legion to victory over the Western Lakes Alliance of Asiatic Indians at the Battle of Fallen Timbers in modern Ohio.  This victory opened the entire Northwest Territory to white settlement.  I realize this is not Europe and we’re only discussing an area larger than modern France.

A bit of background history here…

The Judeo-Masonic entity seated in London had previously issued The Proclamation of 1763.  This was a flagrantly shameless scrap of anti-white racist legislation prohibiting white American settlement of these virtually unpopulated lands.  The apparent purpose was to secure minor trade advantages for the London government with the savage non-whites of this area.  This decree was one of the Intolerable Acts referred to in the white American Declaration of Independence of 1776.

“He (meaning King George as representative sovereign of the London government) has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.”

That same government also stooped to inciting anti-white racial violence and even arming these incited non-whites to attack white mothers and infants:

“He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.”

The subsequent 1783 Treaty of Paris required the London entity to evacuate all its military garrisons in the Northwest Territory.  It failed to do this.  It instead maintained these garrisons which protected arms emporiums selling guns to the merciless Indian Savages.  These arms of course facilitated their attempted genocides against white working class families, and were known to be likely to be used in that way.  An interesting example of what’s now called proxy war and “Low Intensity Conflict”.

Following the Battle of Fallen Timbers General Wayne’s troops marched through the Northwest Territory and put all these dens of mercantile inquity to the torch, sometimes right under the eyes of British mercenary troops as happened a month later at Fort Miami (modern Fort Wayne, Indiana).

Deep rooted tradition cuts both ways.  It can mean one thing among the museums of London and precincts of Westminster.  It recalls entirely different behaviors of that same Tradition on the outer marches of the White Race’s living space.  Nor was this an isolated aberrational incident.  Allying with non-whites to attack working white people for mere financial gain is a multi-century habit of the London regime.  There is a straight line running from The Proclamation of 1763 to the concentration camps of the South African War to the Judeo-British firebombing of Hamburg to Dresden to the current London incited Immigration Invasion of the British Isles themselves.

I confess that when I recall these traditions I sometimes wonder if it wouldn’t be best for whites overall if Britain weren’t entirely repopulated with negroes of the lowest IQs and that entire branch of white history and development eliminated as a defective racial cull.

However I eschew allying with non-whites to attack whites under all circumstances.  This is the greatest sin any regime can commit.  There can never be any justification for it, and particularly in ever-shifting ephemeral ‘ideals’, no matter how artfully phrased.  These seductive phrases are too often mere propaganda constructs written by the David Frums of the time to justify sordid military-financial schemes, or covert advancement of non-white racial interests at white expense, or both.

Maguire

In the U.K. the socialist Labour Party (run by Blair’s “Jewish Mafia") has followed a similar policy for housing that largely mirrors the situation in the U.S.

Their policy is as follows:

1) Destroy families: by encouraging the break-up of families, in particular white ones, this increases demand for single person dwellings;

2) Flood the country with immigrants: this increases competition for housing, which keeps prices climbing;

3) Increase red tape for planning: under the guise of environmental concerns, the UK government has the lowest number of new-builds in its history. Even better, they have only built 200 social assistance houses per year since coming to power ten years ago;

4) Divide and rule: they keep the population divided by race and ethnicity, which increases the value of homes in areas where schools have a majority of one race or another;

5) Hype crumbling, out-of-date, inefficient homes: most British homes are damp and expensive to keep. This keeps costs high which is good for the banks. They have many TV shows to do this as well;

6) Distract with war: the UK government has avoided doing anything about the issue by gumming up government with fighting the war on terror;

So, maybe the best model is the British socialist one!

most British homes are damp and expensive to keep

Well, the east wing is a little discouraging after a downpour, I admit ... and the Grand Ballroom has seen better days.  But since the scullery is larger than Grand Central Station, and we really don’t need thirty-three state rooms, we’ve moved in there.  And thankfully, the wine cellars are perfectly dry.  Heaven forbid the labels from dropping of my Bolly 61.

He’s saying 1) mind springs from matter and 2) the preservation of the white race depends on adopting that view.  That view, which Marx and his followers also believed, can’t be defended in the year 2007 and it’s nonsense, not to mention ill-advised for practical reasons, to claim racialism and the preservation of the white race depend on adopting it.

Actually, it is the other way around: mind/body dualism is indefensible in 2007.

“I confess that when I recall these traditions I sometimes wonder if it wouldn’t be best for whites overall if Britain weren’t entirely repopulated with negroes of the lowest IQs and that entire branch of white history and development eliminated as a defective racial cull.”

I appreciate your candor.

I always wonder what these mick- or german-identified “white nationalist” who admit to fantasizing about genociding the English are doing posting in English on English and American sites.

If you please, ma’am, we prefer the beauty of the lovely whiteness, but thanks for the help.  De gustibus non disputandum est.

GT:

“From the American Declaration of Independence:”

You are aware, I hope, that “he” was a German. Occupying the British throne does not does not transmute one’s genes.

“Should an American descendant of Englishmen of which I am one, not post facts in English on an English site if it hurts the sensibilities of my English cousins?”

When the “fact” is that you sit around in your arm chair day dreaming about exterminating one of the more productive peoples of Europe, it might be better to keep that “fact” to yourself around those who think the highest good is preserving these and closely related peoples.

By the way, I’m not English. And I’m not offended. It’s better for everyone when people like maguire say what they really think. Saves me reading his posts in the future.

GT, I’m afraid I’m the one who started this.  I regret the turn it’s taken.  Still, I’m curious as to whether or not your friend is of Irish-Catholic or of German ancestry.  After posting what he posted he can’t object to being asked, but if he’d rather not say, that’s perfectly fine.

“He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.”

The rhetoric of the American Revolution shouldn’t be taken too seriously.

1.) During the Revolution, Americans invaded Canada and attempted to incite a “domestic insurrection” there.
2.) The American colonists also had Indian allies whom they used against the British.
3.) Thomas Jefferson, of course, was a supporter of that greatest of “domestic insurrections” in Europe: the French Revolution. Thomas Paine even went to Revolutionary France, became an honorary French citizen, and took a seat in the National Assembly.

The Judeo-Masonic entity seated in London had previously issued The Proclamation of 1763.  This was a flagrantly shameless scrap of anti-white racist legislation prohibiting white American settlement of these virtually unpopulated lands.

The goal was actually to quell violent massacres along the frontier and deter rapacious land speculators like George Washington from exploiting poor white settlers in the region. This would remain a major problem throughout the nineteenth century. In Alabama and Georgia, the U.S. federal government also honored treaties with local Indian tribes and prevented whites from illegally seizing their lands. Georgia threatened to secede from the Union over the issue.

The British are far from the only European power to have ever allied with non-whites against whites.

The Nazis, for example, were allied to the Japanese during the Second World War and supported the Arab and Indian nationalists. That we are even having this conversation is amusing. The only people in the world who have ever really historically thought of themselves as being “white” are Anglo-Saxons: the Americans and Australians, and to a lesser extent, the Canadians and English. “Whiteness” has never been a defining characteristic of, say, French, Italian, or German culture. The Nazis certainly didn’t believe in white solidarity.

Scimitar writes: “That’s a stretch. Genocide was never a Crown policy.”

Which is why ‘genocide’ was in quotation marks.

The Royal Proclamation of 1763 was Salterian. It harkens back to Mr. Bowery’s point touching on state security in a structure that attempts to protect EGI against aggressive nationalism. George attempted to provide such a structure, although he probably did not recognise it as such, under English law with a hierarchy that gave ultimate jurisdiction to the Crown.

If you belieive that EGI is the way forward, then all EGI must be secure against the encroachment of belligerent nationalism, whether English, German, French or Sioux.

Fred,

“Maguire, may I ask if you’re either Irish Catholic or German by heritage?  (I’m half-German, half-Russian, incidentally.)”

75% German, 25% Scots.  That’s probably why I’m partial to bagpipes and the Black Watch.  Don’t apologize for asking. 

On VNNF some folks instinctively accuse anyone writing something they don’t like of being a Jew or an informer. 
Here on M-R the equivalent accusation is the writer is Irish, Catholic, or both. 

I could (and at the start of the decade did for FAEM) write hundreds of pages about the Satanic level of the modern Washington regime’s crimes against white people as a race. 
And this would undoubtedly be gladly lapped up by some of the same quaint English provincials now so incensed by references to actions taken by KG III’s government that are beyond any dispute. 

Personally I find these archaic political distinctions to be increasingly meaningless with each passing year. 

“half-German, half-Russian”

A perfect description of my wife, who is a Volga German.

Moral Retard Hawks:
http://johnhawks.net/weblog/topics/race/differences/clinton_2007_proportion_differences_speech.html

Thus, to Hawks, the relative genetic similarities or differences between people should not influence how they behave to each other.

Very good, Hawksie.  Since your own children have no more claim on your morality than a person genetically more distant, say, me, then the money that you have earmarked for their education, you should give to me.

Why not?

Hawks’ argument is no different from Landsburg’s: we shouldn’t make any distinctions between people with respect to moral judgements based on nationality, citizenship, or genetic relatedness.

If Hawks wants to argue against the “naturalistic fallacy” (which I think is getting a bit over-stressed), fine.  But he should acknowledge that it is NOT adaptive to completely ignore genetic relatedness when making decisions in how to treat people.

And, if someone wishes to behave in an adaptive manner, then they have that right, without creatures like Hawks, Landsburg, or Clinton telling them, or implying, that they are morally bankrupt haters for doing so.

Moral Retard Hawks

Yes, he is a moral retard.  As you point out, any principle that would proscribe the pursuit of racial self-interest would equally proscribe the pursuit of personal self-interest.  No one behaves in accordance with such a principle, and it follows that the abandonment of human group interests is a matter not of principle but of particularism.

Moreover, the whole point of morality is group interest.  David Sloan Wilson published his first book 13 years ago.  Where has this clown been hiding?