Let’s not make Hitler’s Mistake

Posted by ES on September 29, 2007, 12:19 PM | #

Speaking of Stalingrad, this book claims a Europe-wide Jewish spy network disinformed Hitler into the Stalingrad trap: 

http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/vegyes_/secretwar_06.rtf

Posted by Fr. John on September 29, 2007, 01:11 PM | #

Very good piece, to keep all things in perspective. I used to love Canada, when she was British, related, and had a mind of her own. Say, oh, about 1965. May she return to those days.
And may we, as well....

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 29, 2007, 01:50 PM | #

“Celine told us that Europe died at Stalingrad.” (—from the log entry)

Europe didn’t die.  She’s still alive but the XXth Century made her mortally ill, an illness starting not with Stalingrad but the day in 1917 when Woodrow Wilson took the United States into what should’ve been merely the Second Franco-Prussian War but thanks to U.S. meddling became the civilizational debacle of the millennium whose effects both direct and indirect we as a civilization are still suffering.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 29, 2007, 03:28 PM | #

This log entry, so clearly aimed at Desmond, has something very important to say.  But so does Desmond.  (And I am aware of course that with my own ethnic mixture I’m on Desmond’s “unpreferred” list.) Furthermore, what Zusammen said holds:  it’s not a great leap from denying the significance of intra-Euro racial differences to denying the significance of intercontinental racial differences. 

A middle ground has to be reached.  That’s all.  I tilt a little more toward Desmond’s position while recognizing the merits of both.

About the log entry’s main discussion:  Hitler did make a mistake in the way cited.  If Scimitar is right, it was because he saw Slavic lands as Lebensraum and wanted not simply to liberate them then leave them alone, but Germanize them by gradually phasing Slavs out and German colonists in.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 29, 2007, 04:16 PM | #

But I’m not claiming to know that — I said, “if Scimitar is right.” That’s what he claims, and I think it sounds right, but I know little about the subject.

Posted by Matra on September 29, 2007, 04:26 PM | #

If Canada resembles the United States, there is a substantial community of former Christians that has formed an alliance with the genetic clustering whose cousins administered the exterminations of the Russian and Ukrainian peasants.

The former Christians who’ve formed an alliance with Jews to force multiculturalism down our throats include Ukrainians themselves!

These former Christians have retained their ancestral hatred for Catholics and have acquired a disdain for Slavs from their ally.

Tripe.

Robert Reis could have participated in the thread he started - ‘Last of the Norwegian patriots’. He could have countered the examples Desmond Jones and I gave of Slavs and others siding with the race replacers but chose not to. Now he’s back with more generalities and no facts...again.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 29, 2007, 04:54 PM | #

So many lies have been written and spread about Hitler that one is no longer willing to believe anything not verified in triplicate.  Over the past couple of years, thanks to new learning that had been kept from me and from all who don’t actively seek it out, I’ve jettisoned every single one of my life-long standard beliefs about the Third Reich, the ©Holocau$t™®, and the Nuremberg Trials and come to new understandings of all of them, ones this time that seem true or at least plausible, instead of baffling and incomprehensible as the previous ones had.  I’d never known, to take just one example, that a long-planned genocide of the German people, civilians, soldiers, and POWs, was partly carried out by the Americans and Russians after the Germans had surrendered and laid down their arms.  This genocide was Jewish revenge for the German Nuremberg Laws of the 1930s.  How do we know it wasn’t Jewish revenge for the ©Holocau$t™®, not the Nuremberg Laws?  Because 1) one of the Jews planning this Jewish revenge with Henry Morgenthau in D.C., namely, Ilya Ehrenberg in Moscow, was involved in making the ©Holocau$t™® up in order to distract attention from the Red Army atrocities in East Prussia and from the larger-scale genocide to be carried out against Germany after the unconditional surrender, so these men knew the ©Holocau$t™® propaganda was a fabrication, and 2) because the vengeance plan was taken from Theodore Kaufman’s book, “Germany Must Perish,” written at least a year before the U.S. entered the war and self-published and disseminated by Kaufman starting in late 1940, which was before there were concentration camps.  What had gotten the Jews mad enough to fantasize exterminating all Germans and wiping Germany off the map was, apparently, the Nuremberg Laws, the exact same laws Israel has today in a special Jewish National Socialist version.

So Germany was subjected to a Jewish vengeance-genocide after the war was over in which millions were killed (about three to four million) as pay-back for the Nuremberg Laws.  How many knew this?  Why did I have to wait decades before learning of it?  Three guesses ...

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 29, 2007, 05:11 PM | #

General Patton’s enemies in D.C. had him assassinated months after V-E Day because he was complaining more and more bitterly about the implementation of Kaufman’s genocide plan, and it was feared he might do something to thwart it.  He was killed in a motor vehicle accident in his staff car while being driven to a morning of pheasant hunting, but common soldiers said they saw a fighter plane suddenly appear, strafe his staff car, and disappear just as suddenly.  (This of course was not in the official report.) As a boy, I myself heard a man who’d been a soldier in the Third Army say his staff car was strafed because D.C. wanted him eliminated, and again when I was around twenty I heard another former Third Army soldier say it.

Posted by Matra on September 29, 2007, 05:24 PM | #

Fred, here’s an article from today’s edition of the Guardian on David Irving.

Posted by desmond jones on September 29, 2007, 05:36 PM | #

This position is weak because the assumption is that Canada saw it self as European and it never did. It was British and even as far back as 1928 saw the looming dark clouds of a failed American experiment.

By R.B. Bennett
Leader of the Conservative Party 1927-38, Prime Minister of Canada 1930-1935
House of Commons Debates, June 7, 1928, pp. 3925-7.

. . . Read the history of the United States, read what is written in every magazine in that country by thoughtful men, and you will find that the principle of the melting pot has failed; and they are quite apprehensive. Every thoughtful man in the United States, every keen observer, every man who travels, every author, everyone who shapes and moulds public opinion in the universities and in the great foundations-all these are bewailing the fact that uncontrolled immigration has been permitted into that country, to such an extent that there is now in the United States a polyglot population, without any distinctive civilization, and one about which many of them are in great despair . . . it is because we desire to profit by the very lessons we learned there that we are endeavouring to maintain our civilization at that high standard which has made the British civilization the test by which all other civilized nations in modern times are measured . . .

From an EGI perspective, the mass immigration of Slavs into the US, after the Civil War and up to 1924 had an enormous genetic impact upon what Madison Grant described as an unalloyed native American.

The result is showing plainly in the rapid decline in the birth rate of native Americans because the poorer classes of Colonial stock, where they still exist, will not bring children into the world to compete in the labor market with the Slovak, the Italian, the Syrian, and the Jew. The native American is too proud to mix socially with them, and is gradually withdrawing from the scene, abandoning to these aliens the land which he conquered and developed. The man of the old stock is being crowded out of many country districts by these foreigners, just as he is to-day being literally driven off the streets of New York City by the swarms of Polish Jews. These immigrants adopt the language of the native American; they wear his clothes; they steal his name; and they are beginning to take his women, but they seldom adopt his religion or understand his ideals, and while he is being elbowed out of his own home the American looks calmly abroad and urges on others the suicidal ethics which are exterminating his own race.

Thirty seven million eastern Europeans emigrating to the US between 1850-1920 meant a ethnic genetic loss of ~two million child equivalents. If 37 million Dutch emigrated the child equivalent loss amounts to ~500,000. And the 1924 restrictionists most assuredly knew it, even w/o out the benefit of the math.

“What we do claim is that the northern European and particularly Anglo-Saxons made this country. Oh, yes; the others helped. But… [t]hey came to this country because it was already made as an Anglo-Saxon commonwealth. They added to it, they often enriched it, but they did not make it, and they have not yet greatly changed it.

Truth was of course, it had already been greatly changed.

The other issue JW Holliday raised in his treatise is free-riding. In a multi-cultural society, like Canada at its inception (British, French and aboriginal), the majority is at its most exposed when ethnic minorities are given a free ride.

Minority free-riding occurs in a number of ways. When there is ethnic stratification, a characteristic of all multicultural societies, minority freeriding can occur at the bottom of the class structure in the form of socialwelfare and other benefits conferred by public goods. A redistributive system thus entails majority-ethnic taxpayers paying for their own loss of relative fitness by financing reproduction by families belonging to other ethnies. Ethnic majorities can also find themselves economically or culturally dominated by a highly competitive minority, when minority free-riding is liable to take top-down forms such as steering cultural, immigration, and foreign policies towards minority goals with collateral harm to majority interests.

To ensure Canadian unity French-Canada was given a free ride. It is still, like the Negro footballers in the South, free riding with federal transfer payments being massively disproportionate in one direction. This game was picked up by other minority ethnies, because it enhanced their interests. Ethnic newspapers, TV, cultural events, education in their own language were/are subsidised by the majority ethny. It benefits minority white ethnies to ally with vismin ethnies to keep the gravy train rolling at the expense of the majority ethny. It worked enormously well for French Canada, a nation much more homogeneous than English Canada and likely, based on recent reports, to remain so. They care not about accomodating the English, to ensure a collective white survival.

The same will happen in the UK if the English succumb to this white multi-culti propaganda. The refrain should be “let’s hope the English do not make the Canadian mistake”. It was the refrain of the American restrictionists in 1924.

England has “not yet been greatly changed”.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 29, 2007, 05:47 PM | #

Here‘s what was done to just the Yugoslav Germans after the German surrender, ethnic Germans living in that country since the 1600s and 1700s (living there, in other words, for the same duration as Euros have been living in the U.S. and Canada).  (Germans in adjacent Romania and Hungary have lived in those countries since the 1100s and 1200s, and received the same treatment after the war as those in Yugoslavia.)

How come we never hear about these post-war atrocities and genocides against Germans?  We hear of them, both real and imaginary, in regard to every other group under the sun. 

Every group but one.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 29, 2007, 06:03 PM | #

Matra, thanks for that David Irving link.  In it he says he has a document, which he is 80% certain is genuine, proving some two-and-a-half million Jews were murdered at three relatively unknown camps in Poland alone, in a clandestine extermination program under Heinrich Himmler, manned by Ukrainians.  (Is it possible Ukes hated Jews for the Holodomor ten years earlier?  If they did, it wouldn’t be hard to fathom.) What needs now to happen is all restrictions on scholarly inquiry into and totally open discussion of all atrocities of WW II committed by the Germans and all other parties be lifted, all hate-speech statutes relating to such discussion repealed, and let the scholars come to a consensus, exactly as is done with everything else.  It’s impossible to know anything when free discussion is stifled, impossible to know what’s true and what’s false.  Maybe Irving is onto something, maybe not.  Let free unfettered discussion proceed.  (That’s something the Jews will never permit, of course.  I’m under no illusions.  But I call for it for rhetorical effect.)

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 29, 2007, 10:33 PM | #

Let’s try that last sentence of mine again, with a link inserted:

(That’s something the Jews will never permit, of course.  I’m under no illusions.  But I call for it for rhetorical effect.)

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 30, 2007, 03:24 AM | #

“What had gotten the Jews mad enough to fantasize exterminating all Germans and wiping Germany off the map was, apparently, the Nuremberg Laws, the exact same laws Israel has today in a special Jewish National Socialist version.  So, Germany was subjected to a Jewish vengeance-genocide after the war was over in which millions of Germans were killed (about three to four million) as pay-back for the Nuremberg Laws.” (—my comment, above)

It just now occurs to me that this is the reason the Jews selected Nuremberg as the venue for the war crimes kangaroo trials:  the same reason Hitler forced the French to sign the surrender in the exact railroad car the Germans had been forced to sign in, two decades before:  symbolic revenge.  The Jews were getting revenge for the Nuremberg Laws by holding the kangaroo war crimes trials in the same city those laws were first promulgated in.  For the Jews the whole thing — fabricating the Holocau$t™, convening the kangaroo war-crimes trials in the city of Nuremberg, having Gen. Patton assassinated, the whole nine yards — was all about getting Germany back for promulgating the 1930s Nuremberg Laws:  the whole ball of wax, the whole goddamn thing.

Posted by A Casual Observer on September 30, 2007, 08:17 AM | #

She’s still alive but the XXth Century made her mortally ill, an illness starting not with Stalingrad but the day in 1917 when Woodrow Wilson took the United States into what should’ve been merely the Second Franco-Prussian War but thanks to U.S. meddling became the civilizational debacle of the millennium whose effects both direct and indirect we as a civilization are still suffering.

Now come on, Fred. Woodrow Wilson was extremely pro-German prior to WWI and was completely uninterested in American intervention until pressure from the British and lobbies in America became so great that he finally decided to in 1917. Wilson, as a professor, was a huge admirer of the German political model. Ido Oren, in his paper critiquing democratic peace theory, he states that “To Wilson circa 1890, for example, the Prussian administrative model was superior to the French one (not to mention Anglo-American administrative impotency); the Prussian constitutional state was preferable to the immature democracy of France; and Prussian local government was the shining model of “self-government” not despite but partly because of its three-class voting system.” He “was an admirer of German statism, and in regard to the functions of the state he unambiguously wished that the United States would become more like Germany than England.” He found that “Berlin, in sum, embodied the highest form of “self-government”: a most successful blend of popular participation with great administrative efficiency, a shining model to be emulated by American reformers.”

And as Niall Ferguson demonstrated most recently in his book The Pity of War, where he expressed his displeasure with the fact that Britain and, after much lobbying on the part of the British and the French, the United States became involved in the war. Ferguson believes that a German win in WWI would have led to a federal, social democratic (since the German Social Democrats held power in Germany throughout most of WWI), and highly integrated Europe long before the European Union, while simultaneously being able to prevent the rise of Bolshevism in Russia and later the rise of Nazism in defeated Germany.

If anything, it’s not the United States who was meddling in WWI. It was British meddling that brought the United States in and they became involved long before the United States did. Blame them, because without them, it is questionable as to whether the United States would ever have become involved.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 30, 2007, 11:39 AM | #

In the Matthew Taylor Guardian article Mr. Irving’s opinions on the killing of Jews by the Germans are given as follows:

[1] He says that a document, which he is 80% sure is genuine, suggests that 2.4 million Jews were killed in Poland, but goes on to claim that the gas chamber at Auschwitz was fake.  “It was not the centre of the killing operations — it has only become a focus because it is the site that is best preserved.  Much of what is shown the tourists there is faked post-war — watchtowers, even the famous gas chamber.  In my opinion now, the real killing operations took place at the Reinhardt camps west of the Bug river.  In the three camps here [Sobibor, Belzec, and Treblinka] Heinrich Himmler’s men (mostly Ukrainian mercenaries) killed possibly as many as 2.4 million in the two years up to October 1943.  There is now nothing to be seen of the Reinhardt camps, neither stick nor stone, so few tourists go there. I have visited all four sites earlier this year.  [...T]he Nazis [...] organised and directed a programme, a clandestine programme, for the liquidation of European Jews [...I]n 1942-43 alone over 2.5 million Jews were killed in those three camps.”

[2] Hitler was “completely in the dark” about the programme.

[3] “The Jews are the architects of their own misfortune, but that is the short version A-Z. Between A-Z there are then 24 other characters in intervening steps.”

It seems as if he’s leaving open the possibility that more than these 2½ million were murdered — the article isn’t completely clear.  But what he’s saying deviates from the standard “six million gassed in Auschwitz gas chambers,” so he has to be shut up by that ethnicity that pretends to believe in freedom of speech and free scholarly inquiry but doesn’t, and will quash both of those — freedom of speech and free scholarly inquiry — the minute they gain the power to do so.  From the same article: 

This week David Irving, the discredited British historian who was described by a high court judge as a Holocaust denier and a racist [...].  Mr Irving was due to address a meeting in Coventry last Friday — although that event was disrupted by protesters [...].  Last night, news of his attempts to kickstart his career were met with disbelief and anger from Jewish groups and political opponents. Lord Foulkes, of the Labour Friends of Israel, said: “It is a frightening thought that he is still pursuing his agenda.” Jon Benjamin, chief executive of the Board of Deputies, said Mr Irving no longer had any legitimate claim to be a serious historian.  Gerry Gable, of the anti-fascist organisation Searchlight, said: “This man is a hardened rightwing extremist and this latest development proves he is determined to pursue his agenda.”

I said above that the Matthew Taylor article wasn’t completely clear regarding Irving’s opinions on how many Jews, total, were murdered or likely to have been murdered by the Germans.  In fact, the article was appallingly bad as a piece of journalism:  totally inadequate.  But it was fine in the eyes of the author and the editor who were responsible for it, since clearly its purpose wasn’t to inform but to do a hatchet job on Irving, officially designated by the Jews as a walking-talking example of evil incarnate.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 30, 2007, 12:29 PM | #

The following, from the same article, is the Jews’ idea of allowing freedom of speech and free, open scholarly debate on questions of history, on questions of what exactly are the historical facts of a given issue.  The following is what scholars can expect to go through at the hands of the Jews if they try to take advantage of today’s version of “freedom of speech” and “free scholarly inquiry”:

Ten months ago [David Irving] was languishing in an Austrian jail, less than halfway through a three-year sentence with his career — and professional reputation — in tatters. [...] “I have kept a low profile for several months because I have had to sort out where to live and to address my financial situation,” said Mr Irving, who was declared bankrupt in 2002 after an unsuccessful libel action over claims he was a Holocaust denier. [...] Mr Irving’s career has been littered with controversy, culminating in his arrest in Austria in 2005.  He was sentenced to three years in jail after a judge ruled that two speeches he made in 1989, dismissing the Auschwitz gas chambers as a “fairy tale” and questioning the existence of extermination camps, breached Austrian law.

The whole article, of course, is about Irving’s hopes to “re-start” his career (at something like age 70) now that he’s been released from prison. 

Released from prison! For voicing an opinion, an opinion about what happened in World War II! No, you’re not allowed to voice certain opinions about that!

Meanwhile, the Jews have got several others languishing in prison right now, for giving their views of what’s likely to have happened in regard to the claimed extermination of the Jews by Germany. 

No, one is not allowed to discuss that today.  One is only allowed to parrot the official line.

Germar Rudolph and Ernst Zündel and others are of course in jail.  Horst Mahler just got out of jail last month, and now they want to put his lawyer in jail for saying things in the process of defending him that are illegal to say — the Jews have seen to those things’ being illegal to say. 

As a result of all this ruination being visited upon scholars who express opinions, untold numbers of scholars won’t touch this issue of the claimed extermination of the Jews with a ten-foot pole, seeing, as they do, what happens to those who question the official party line on the matter, the party line as laid down by Joseph Stalin and Ilya Ehrenberg and enforced by the Jews ever since.

Imagine if free scholarly debate on any other issue were outlawed.  There’d be no way to know the truth in regard to that issue.  But it’s exactly the same with this one. 

So, the Jews have made it impossible to know the truth of this issue, and therefore all thinking people have to be Holocaust agnostics.  That’s the only alternative open to thinking people. 

Holocaust agnosticism amounts to Holocaust denial, because it says, “I’ll believe it when I see evidence.  As of now, I haven’t seen evidence.”

So, the Jews are making everyone into a Holocaust denier.  By their actions they are forcing every thinking person to deny the Holocaust. 

The Jews are therefore criminally liable under their own laws against promoting Holocaust denial.

The Jews are the world’s biggest Holocaust deniers.

If someone asks a thinking person today why he doesn’t believe the standard version of the Holocaust, he must truthfully reply, “The Jews forced me not to believe it.”

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 30, 2007, 01:08 PM | #

In the margin of the Guardian web-page next to the Matthew Taylor article I saw this one:  Greeks are suing for war reparations from Germany.  What’s wrong with cases like this is war reparations have already long-since been extracted from Germany in the form of decades of direct cash payments which are still ongoing, forced labor by multitudes of innocent German civilians, soldiers in the armies that had surrendered in 1945, and POWs captured during combat prior to the surrender, all taken and imprisoned in labor camps to do hard labor until they dropped dead (this was all after the war and went on for years, in some cases decades), confiscation of one-third of the physical country of Germany (by itself incalculable as to monetary value, that value would be so astronomical), dismantlement of all German factories, which were transported to Russia, confiscation of all German patents — by itself worth an astronomical amount, and in other ways.  See my comment on this here. 

Whatever is owed to these Greek plaintiffs in theory should come out of a fund set up by Moscow, D.C., Paris, or London consisting of war reparations funds already extracted from the prostrate Germany in the form of direct cash payments, forced labor, and the other ways in which reparations were taken out of Germany’s hide (what was the value of the one-third of Germany taken away and given to Poland, Russia, and Lithuania?  That alone should pay thousands of claims like this Greek one — nay, millions of such claims.  What happened to that value in dollar-equivalents?  Was it stolen by Stalin’s men at the time?  If so, Germany’s no longer liable for that particular amount, but Russia is.  What was the value of the German patents taken, the factories dismantled and confiscated, the forced labor extracted for years after the war ended from entirely innocent Germans, and so on?  Didn’t dollar-equivalent credits for that go into a fund to serve to settle claims such as this Greek one?  It didn’t?  Well, that’s not Germany’s fault but someone else’s.  And is there a statute of limitations or is liability infinite?  If someone comes up with a claim in the year 2568 will Germany still be liable?  Now you’ve got grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren of Holocaust survivors or something suing Germany from Israel for reparations, because they’re depressed and can’t hold a job or whatever it is.

This stuff is all becoming a cartload of pure endless crap with the Jews as ringleaders in pushing the pure endless crap.

Posted by Robert Reis on September 30, 2007, 02:40 PM | #

This position is weak because the assumption is that Canada saw it self as European and it never did. It was British and even as far back as 1928 saw the looming dark clouds of a failed American experiment.

Interesting info about free riding,too.

Cheers,

RER

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 06, 2007, 05:24 PM | #

“Horst Mahler just got out of jail last month” (—my comment a few above)

Horst Mahler, great mind, great man.

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Posted by Slavyanski on October 06, 2007, 08:15 PM | #

It may surprise you Fred, that nobody, NOBODY, has ever claimed 6 million Jews died in gas chambers.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 06, 2007, 08:35 PM | #

Horst Mahler’s site.

Posted by Tim Mc Hugh on October 08, 2007, 08:57 PM | #

They must not take Toronto from me!

Posted by Al Ross on October 09, 2007, 07:19 AM | #

NOBODY at http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.com/jsource/Holocaust/killedtable.html has claimed 6 million Kikes died. Their figure, as bogus as a Jew accountant’s tax return, is 5,933,900 of Yahweh’s Special Needs Group.

Posted by Matra on October 12, 2007, 06:17 PM | #

Slandering Italians is acceptable here GW?

Where are Italians being slandered?  Was a post removed?