More praise for Razib Khan of Gene Expression blog (GNXP)

Posted by Mythbuster on July 03, 2008, 03:06 AM | #

Oh and since we r talking about renaming things based on who first came up with what.

If true u can rename theory or relativity but then u might want to do a little more searching to find out how many of ur so called “white” discoveries were discovered centuries before either in India or China independently and should also be renamed.

For a start u can begin by renaming the Fibonacci sequence as “Gopala-Hemachandra sequence”, follow that up with “Aryabhatas law of gravity” instead of Newtons law of gravity and “Pingala’s triangle” instead of Pascals triangle, when u achieve these 3 then we can think about renaming the theory of relativity.

Posted by Lurker on July 03, 2008, 03:11 AM | #

Doesnt matter whether whites came up with the theory of relativity or not. The vast body of physics is work conducted by whites, a framework put in place that has allowed others to take part.

Isaac Newton - not Jewish, not Indian - did his work absent of almost any wider concept of science at all. When Einstein came along there was at least an existing body of theory he could work from.

The claims made for many non-white scientists remind me of Dr Evil talking about his father - “He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark.”

Comedy aside, taking this at face value, so what if he did invent the question mark? What about every other punctuation mark in the language, the rest of the language itself. As if somehow this one thing outranked and invalidated all the others.

Posted by Mythbuster on July 03, 2008, 03:12 AM | #

Fred I will provide evidence as soon as ur retarded self can provide evidence for the claim that Southindian overrepresentation in IT is due to affirmative action as u claimed?

It shouldn’t be hard for ur high iq self to do so now would it unless u were lying.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 03, 2008, 03:27 AM | #

“u can rename theory of relativity but then u might want to do a little more searching to find out how many of ur so called ‘white’ discoveries were discovered centuries before either in India or China independently and should also be renamed.  For a start u can begin by renaming the Fibonacci sequence as ‘Gopala-Hemachandra sequence,’ follow that up with ‘Aryabhatas law of gravity’ instead of Newtons law of gravity and ‘Pingala’s triangle’ instead of Pascals triangle”

The Eurosphere’s Jews will see to all that re-naming if their hegemony continues, making sure to stress plenty of “discoveries” made by “long-ignored-due-to-racism” Sub-Saharan “geniuses” along with the yellow and brown.

“when u achieve these 3 then we can think about renaming the theory of relativity.”

Only the Special Theory, not the General. 

“as soon as ur retarded self can provide evidence for the claim that South indian overrepresentation in IT is due to affirmative action as u claimed?”

I don’t have evidence.

Posted by Vyaghrapada on July 03, 2008, 03:40 AM | #

“That was a threat? “

Appeared to be one to me, but it’s alright. I fully entrust my confidence in Time and its debilitating effects which will prove to be far more satisfactory to me than any post I make here. I should, however, point out that you don’t even seem to understand the basics of reservation which is entirely caste oriented and doesn’t have anything to do with states or regions. So why indulge yourself in matters you can’t even seem to understand? You should learn to exercise more caution, you will need it for the coming Islamic take-over.

Posted by Mythbuster on July 03, 2008, 03:46 AM | #

Good so u don’t have any evidence, so better shut up on things u know nothing about.

Now here is something for u.

As u can see the study conducted in 1968 in AP gave an IQ of 82 and AP is a Southern state.

In the study on Delhi in 1992 the avg was 82, this was about 34 years after the AP IQ test.

So what Delhi a northern city had in 1992 AP already did in 1968, in this time Southern India was ahead of the North and if u know anything at all about IQ u would know about the Flynn effect and that in 1992 AP would have easily surpassed Delhi.

If you want further evidence get the book “Race Differences in Intelligence” by Richard Lynn who lists in detail the stats of the various IQ tests done in India and in which regions they were done.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 03, 2008, 04:04 AM | #

Next time I have Lynn’s book in hand I’ll look for that info.

On Special Relativity, discussion of the claim of Poincaré’s priority, both supporting and debunking it, is all over the internet, tons of it.  Just google Henri Poincaré, you’ll get right into it.  Browse articles here for example.  Here‘s a comment of mine from an older thread.  My view (which has nothing to do with race or ethnicity, but solely with priority) is it’s clear Poincaré had worked out the entire theory and published the whole thing piecemeal before Einstein’s paper and should get recognition ahead of Einstein.  (Einstein of course gets recognition for the General Theory.)

Incidentally, the anti-Euro attitudes expressed here by the browns Mythbuster and Vyag are what used to be the norm at GnXp.com when I got banned some years ago for replying in kind to a yellow who’d spouted some of it.  The unwritten but crystal-clear rule back then, set by Godless Capitalist, was vicious attacks on Euros by browns and yellows are fine, self-defense by Euros is forbidden.  I haven’t set foot in that sewer since.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 03, 2008, 04:46 AM | #

The Russian paper (by physicist A.A. Logunov) which I linked in my comment in that older thread is no longer at that link.  It’s now here and here (PDF).  It’s a good paper but with lots of math in it.  On page 112 it shows Poincaré deriving E=m(c squared) (this was before Einstein’s paper).

Posted by Lurker on July 03, 2008, 09:01 AM | #

Mythbuster - it appears we are supposed to laud the achievements of Indians, fine, but why does that invalidate WN? I dont see the connection. So I guess its a free for all, we can denigrate you as much as we like then.

Posted by Captainchaos on July 03, 2008, 04:14 PM | #

Vyaghrapada: “You should learn to exercise more caution, you will need it for the coming Islamic take-over.”

No, YOU should learn to exercise more caution.  Any self-respecting White man would not allow a non-White to speak with such impertinence to his face.  As for “the coming Islamic take-over”, I say if you’ve got the stones for it go full steam ahead.  You’ll run up against a buzz saw.

Posted by Englander on July 03, 2008, 06:32 PM | #

Mythbuster, you’d do well to drop the ‘ur’ and other abbreviations, they don’t help you any and are quite tiresome to read.

Posted by Al Ross on July 03, 2008, 07:41 PM | #

Mythbuster should consider changing his name to myrhbeliever if he thinks South Indians are, on average an intelligent group. Unsurprisingly given their low average IQ,, Tamils are genetically related to Africans and Australoids, two of the lowest IQ groups extant, see http://www.unarvukal.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t3531.html.

The genius-level ‘Tamils’ cited by Mythbuster a few posts back were not, in fact, Dravidian Aborigines at all but Tamil-speaking Brahmins who fetched up in South India.

Professor Rushton explains Indian IQ here;
http://www.vdare.com/rushton/070926_indians.htm

Posted by bbrrraap on July 03, 2008, 08:37 PM | #

Mythbuster is your stereotypical ignorant, pompous brown.  I’m sure people know of what I speak as there are about 1 billion of them around with this exact character flaw.

The problem with Mythbuster’s “logic” is that despite the accomplishments of a relative few browns over the years, their numbers pale in comparison to the contributions of whites proportionally speaking.  Many either already had a platform to work with or their discovery didn’t make it out of the dirty shit hole known as India.  Many also contributed after they came to the west and not from India.

Another problem with this logic is no one is denying any of these, albeit paltry, contributions.  Another problem is no one cares what they contribute.  No one wants them and their dirty, backward selves in the west.  Simple as that, really.

As to these grandiose ideations of world conquest, may I suggest to these supreme intellects of future world domination that they should learn to avoid shitting and bathing from the the same water source.  That would be a good start.  LOL

Posted by silver on July 04, 2008, 08:09 AM | #

It’s always a bit of a shock to find out what people really think, isn’t it Mythbuster?  But think about it, man, you probably think the same thing about negroes, don’t you?  Why would you think whites wouldn’t think it about you?  Some folks in these circles, most notably the estimable Mr. Rienzi, have given me a hard time for my realistic appraisal of my own people and their general incompatibility with the ends of most who call themselves WNs, but one thing I can unreservedly praise them on is their eminently reasonable stance on the Indids who reside in their land:  Hardly a soul in Serbia would dream of considering an Indid his equal, and wisely tend to confine you to what amount to squalid ghettoes whose residents look like they just emerged from the Ganges (the squalidity being largely your own fault).  Come on man, when people look as different as you guys do, what the hell do you expect?  The fact that you tend to be quite dumb and superstitious simply adds injury to insult.  And in the case that you are as great and intelligent as you claim, why not simply stay in your own country, then, and make that place great?

As for Vyagraprada, lol, dream on dude (or get a life), you guys can’t even erect an Islamist order in your own countries and you’re going to do it in Europe?  Not even in the case that Europeans don’t wake up and take their countries back will that occur.  Love or hate the Turks, for instance, their army will send the towelies packing if they try that stunt. (As for me, I burn Korans for fun; in a fight for survival, I’ll carve up muslims real nice. )

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 04, 2008, 07:59 PM | #

There is a huge amount of discussion on the internet in regard to whether priority in discovering and publishing the Special Theory of Relativity properly goes to Einstein or Poincaré.  For me it’s clear it goes to the latter. 

Here are a few chosen almost at random (there must be many tens, maybe a hundred good ones out there): 

http://www-cosmosaf.iap.fr/Poincare.htm

http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/Poincare.pdf

http://www.americanscientist.org/libraries/documents/200622102452_866.pdf

Look, the thing is this:  when people think “Einstein’s Theory of Special Relativity” they think “Einstein’s discovery that length decreases in the direction of motion, mass increases with speed, time slows with speed, the speed of light is a fundamental constant independent of the speed of the emitting body, energy and mass are related by the famous formula E = m(c squared), and you can’t absolutely distinguish between standing still and moving straight with steady speed (there aren’t absolute spatial frames of reference).” That’s the list of discoveries everybody thinks of when they hear “Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity,” but Einstein didn’t discover all the items on that list.  Today’s quiz:  which one didn’t he discover?

Answer:  all of them.

Einstein didn’t discover a single one of the things on that list.  Not one.  Every one of those was discovered and published before Einstein’s 1905 paper, most of them years before, a few of them a decade and more before.  All of them were well-known by the time Einstein came along.  They’d been worked out mainly by Lorentz and Poincaré.

OK, so, what exactly did Einstein contribute to what was already known thanks to the giants Lorentz and Poincaré?  (these two together with some relatively minor players such as Larmor; Fitzgerald; Voigt I think his name was, a German; an Italian whose name I can’t recall off-hand, and a few others; all important contributors but compared to Lorentz and Poincaré relatively “minor")

Answer:  nothing that merits taking credit away from Poincaré.  Nothing. You’ll be reduced to grasping at abstruse philosophical minutiae from supporters of Einstein’s priority, such as that he assumed the invariance of the speed of light as a postulate instead of deducing it from Maxwell’s equations and the Lorentz Transformations, or that he went further than Poincaré did in disregarding/denying the existence of the ether (which he didn’t really do, by the way), and other insignificance or just plain error.  Google it yourself; take the time to read the literature, and you’ll be hard-pressed to come up with anything Einstein did in his 1905 paper that justifies crediting him rather than Poincaré for Special Relativity.

Who first worked out and published the full details of the Special Theory of Relativity?  Lorentz and Poincaré, mainly Poincaré.  Why has only Einstein gotten credit?  No one knows but presently there are a lot of people including a lot of physicists looking into the matter.  I predict Poincaré’s name will start to be attached more and more to that theory — which is only right after all, he being the one who first came up with it in all its details.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 04, 2008, 08:07 PM | #

(Again, I’m talking there about Special Relativity from 1905, not General Relativity from 1915.  No one disputes Einstein’s priority in the latter though the impressive mathematical non-Euclidean groundwork for General Relativity was carried out prior to 1915 by Minkowski, David Hilbert, and others, and Einstein got it from them and incorporated it into his theory.)

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 05, 2008, 01:36 PM | #

How come Einstein never got the Nobel Prize for the discovery of the Special Theory of Relativity?  (He got the Nobel Prize, but for another paper he wrote on a different topic.  No Prize was ever awarded for Special Relativity.)

Answer:  because the Nobel Committee knew Poincaré had priority (but by the time they were ready to award the Prize for Relativity, Poincaré had already died [in 1912 at age 58, of cancer] so they couldn’t award it to him, and therefore they left that particular Nobel Prize, the one for Special Relativity, never awarded).

So if the Nobel Committee knew it how come everyone else in the world didn’t?  We aren’t sure but, as already pointed out, there’s lots of discussion of this on the internet and a series of explanations for the lapse has been proposed. 

To rectify matters I for one intend to start calling the Special Theory of Relativity “the Lorentz-Poincaré Special Theory of Relativity.” ("The Lorentz-Poincaré-Einstein Special Theory of Relativity” is also acceptable, provided Einstein’s name is put last, after the two discoverers.)

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 05, 2008, 02:02 PM | #

As for ethnicity in this matter of priority:  it’s not an issue.  Einstein and the Prussian H. Minkowski were Jewish; the Frenchman Poincaré wasn’t; the others I don’t know and never looked up (I would have said Lorentz, considered the greatest physicist in the world during the last two decades of the 1800s, was not Jewish but I just saw a photo of him as a young man, in which he definitely looked what could be considered Jewish; in that photo he certainly didn’t look Dutch, which was his nationality) and the great Prussian mathematician David Hilbert I’m pretty sure wasn’t Jewish but I’ve never looked it up.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 05, 2008, 03:30 PM | #

More discussion.  (This business about Einstein in 1905 “banishing the ether” more explicitly than Poincaré did is trivial in the context of the fundamental equations of Relativity as of 1905 and not even true.  In any case by the 1920s Einstein was bringing the ether back.  Physics still can’t get rid of it after a hundred and fifty years of trying — now they call it the Higgs Field instead of the ether.  They built the whole new accelerator in CERN to prove it exists.  The ether.  Prove it exists.  In 2008.  No, they’ve certainly not “banished the ether.” Likely never will.  Don’t tell me it’s because Einstein was more explicit about “banishing the ether” in 1905 that he got priority for a complete set of equations Poincaré had worked out and published (published piecemeal, granted, but published) before him?  That’s crap.)

Yes there are almost always simultaneity and claims of priority.  Newton’s law that bodies in motion continue moving unless friction or something stops or deflects them he got from Galileo if memory serves, and of course Kepler’s laws of planetary motion were crucial to Newton’s elaboration of his laws of motion.  But in the Einstein-Poincaré case it really is too blatant:  Poincaré had fully elaborated Relativity before Einstein’s paper and Einstein’s 1905 paper added nothing that was significant in comparison with what had already been laid down by that point. 

None of this question of priority has aught whatsoever to do with Einstein’s being Jewish.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 05, 2008, 08:58 PM | #

This will be my last comment on this, but I just want to cite the papers.

For those who read French:  Poincaré’s 1905 papers:

http://www.soso.ch/wissen/hist/SRT/P-1905-1.pdf

http://www.soso.ch/wissen/hist/SRT/P-1905.pdf

The first was submitted in June and the second in July, the second being a more elaborate expostion of the ideas in the first.  The second, submitted for publication in July 1905, was accepted for publication in December of that year and published in January 1906.

Here’s Einstein’s 1905 paper (in English translation) submitted June 30 for publication:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/specrel.pdf

The point is, completely apart from the respective dates of submission for publication, Einstein’s work in his paper is simply, in its entirety, a recapitulation (with slight re-working in spots) of a series of revolutionary concepts, formulations, and equations Poincaré had already fully worked out over several years (basing his work heavily on almost two decades of pioneering discoveries by Lorentz and a few others) and published, as well as discussed about at length by him in formal scientific meetings and conferences, not to mention letters to others.  Einstein’s paper added nothing of significance to relativity as it stood, already invented and established by Poincaré, at the moment his paper was published. Prior to that paper of his Einstein had published nothing on relativity whereas Poincaré had, with Lorentz’s help, created the whole field of relativity with publications extending back several years giving the theory in all its details to which Einstein added nothing of significance. So why did only Einstein get the credit?  Whatever the reason, it needs to be rectified at long last.

Posted by Celtic Queen Looking For Her Maharaja on October 16, 2008, 08:27 AM | #

As a white American I am completely embarrassed by the immature, unintelligent responses of Scooby Doo Freddy Whatever his name is to our obviously better born and bred Japanese commenter, Takahata Joe, or whatever.  Through the entire discussion Joe has provided not only anecdotal evidence but links as well and the only thing Scooby Fred can come up with is something along these line;

Scooby Doo:  there are purple one eyed monsters on Mars
Gladys Night: do you have any evidence for that?
Scooby Doo:  do you have any evidence against it?

Freddy Doo, do you have any statistical evidence whatsoever to support your original claim that lighter skinned Indian fare better on IQ tests in India than dark skinned ones? 

I have been to India several times, as well as to several countries around the world and it’s people like you that get me stereotyped as the “stupid American”.  Please, if not for yourself then at least for the honor of your womenfolk like me - SHUT UP ALREADY!!!

Joe, you’ve conducted yourself with the calm dignity that is typical of people from the East, due to your ancient culture, heritage and strong family values.  Please forgive my uncultured brothers here who more than likely come from broken homes and are themselves divorced and depressed.  As you know, more than 50% of us white Americans are on drugs like Prozac or Xanax to help us deal with all our “issues”.  The world knows we got alot of them and that’s why smart Asians like you and Mythbuster have to come here and work and buy homes (as opposed to renting in trailer parks) to keep our economy from totally collapsing. 

Question; I know some old white dudes travel to places like the Phillipines to find family oriented “submissive wives” because they feel white American women are drama queen feminists with too much baggage.  Do you guys know any professional Asian men who would be willing to marry a white American woman?  Middle aged, bitter, white American men with kids from previous wives who themselves come from “issue oriented” rather than “family oriented” intact families are the only options I see here and it’s about driving me to the point of a Zoloft prescription!

Please tell me that there’s a Vikas or Vikram out there for me!  Unlike most American women in their thirties, I am not divorced and don’t have kids or other baggage.  Family values are more important to me than mental masterbation on internet websites.

OK I’m going to check out http://www.shaadi.com right now.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 16, 2008, 11:59 AM | #

You’re at the wrong site for finding a Desi husband, Celtic — try posting the thing you wrote above at GnXp.com or that Sepia Mutiny site.  Good luck, hun!  (With your personality, you’ll need it!)

Posted by Celtic Queen H1B Visas Zindabad! on October 17, 2008, 06:51 PM | #

Thanks for the tip Scoobs.  I’ll check it out.  Obama, please keep those H1B visas pouring in!  Our country depends on a smarter gene pool!

Posted by James Bowery on October 17, 2008, 11:34 PM | #

Rumor has it—not that I give it any credence at all—that Celtic Queen H1B Visas Zindabad! is actually John Miano in drag.  Miano isn’t that subversive or devious—but the “queen’s” propensity to bug-seek bare-back mounting by a lower caste Desi poser here, rather than over at gnxp, is a mystery.  Maybe it knows something about the reading habits of those guys that we don’t.

Posted by Smelly Pumaraju on October 18, 2008, 12:48 AM | #

“...[Celtic Queen’s] propensity to bug-seek bare-back mounting by a lower caste Desi poser...”

Effortless P’OWNAGE.

How will you respond to the beatings administered above, and throughout this thread, O Ye Brown Turds of the Ganges?

LOL!

Posted by Lurker on October 18, 2008, 01:37 AM | #

Our country depends on a smarter gene pool! - Celtic Queen H1B Visas Zindabad!

Then remove yourself from said gene pool, thats the quickest improvement I can think of.

Posted by Celtic Chai on October 18, 2008, 05:12 AM | #

No idea what “bug seek bare back mounting” means.  Something to do with that movie?

Don’t get thee chaddis in a twist me brethen.  I’m open to me own kind as well.  As long as thee look like Jude Law and can compute like Visvanathan Subramaniyan, this lass will serve thee up some find tea now.

Posted by James Bowery on October 18, 2008, 03:17 PM | #

No idea what “bug seek bare back mounting” means.

Oh, but it knows you… it knows you…

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 18, 2008, 05:02 PM | #

“Don’t get thee chaddis in a twist me brethen.”

The gals we get our nix in a twist over are the feminine kind, sugar, not the women’s libbers.  (I dare say Desi guys feel the same, so posting your little “SWF seeks Desi man for friendship, eventual matrimony” personal ad over at Sepia Mutiny may not exactly get you many replies without a major re-write, but listen, here’s a possible solution:  we’ve got an Asian-wannabe here named Birch Barlow who’s ... well, white, BUT ... wait a minute, BUT (before you storm off) he’s part-Asian ... Yes you heard that right, part Asian ... he never said whether the yellow or the desi kind, but you like both, right?  Well, he’s something like 20% Asian I think he said, so ... if your personal ad gets no takers over at Sepia you might consider giving Birch a tumble — he’s definitely looking, but if ...  if your bra cup-size is anything over A-minus I wouldn’t exactly advertize that fact in front of him ... at least not until you two get to know each other and he can appreciate you for your ... inner qualities, sweetheart (you do have some, right?) ...... GOOD LUCK!

Posted by Celtic Cultural Genuis (Celt Gene) on October 18, 2008, 05:09 PM | #

Still waiting for Scoobs to give us the stats taken on the IQs of dark skinned desis versus light skinned desis.
Also, the stats on how many dark skinned desis benefit from what he calls “affirmative action” in India, which I assume means reservations for scheduled tribes and castes.  Any stats on how many of those are dark skinned?

The problem with assuming that India’s politics follow the same racial patterns as the USA’S is the fact that India is not comprised of white (euro descent) and black (afro descent) peoples.  This is the same mistake that african-centrist psuedo scientists make when trying to engage Indian people in the pro-dalit movement.  India’s politics are not about race or color but about caste.

Anyway, as he is not Indian and has never been to India then it’s OK that he wouldn’t know any of this, it’s not expected that he would.  But then he needs to be quiet on matters of which he knows nothing and not put forth an uninformed opinion that makes him look mentally challanged and chalks up another example of the “stupid American” to foreigners.  He probably doesn’t, but I travel alot, all around the world, and I don’t need that stereotype following me wherever I go.  Remember Scooby, the www is not called the WORLD wide web for nothin’.  We got smart people from all over the globe surfing it so rep your country well please!

Posted by Celtic Gene on October 18, 2008, 05:16 PM | #

“when trying to engage Indian people in the pro-dalit movement” should read, “when trying to engage people (especially African descent) in the pro-dalit movement”.

Birch Barlow?  I’m picky.  Does he have a pic posted anywhere?  And I don’t have an Asian fetish (like many middle aged to old American white guys), I will take culture over ethnic background anyday, but my observation is that Asians of any type tend to be much more cultured and mannered than white and black and latino Americans.  Though I’m open to meeting those also, provided they have culture and manners.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 18, 2008, 05:59 PM | #

“but my observation is that Asians of any type tend to be much more cultured and mannered than white and black and latino Americans.  Though I’m open to meeting those also, provided they have culture and manners.”

Look, what about Mike Tyson, hun?  I know, I know, I know, a high-pitched voice is a turn-off in a guy, I realize that ..... but he’s available and I heard he’s recently taken some charm-school classes.  Yeah, Miss Hotchkiss’s — word is he no longer date rapes the girl within the first five minutes of her entering the room, he gives her about fifteen minutes to “get ready” now.  Then there’s 50 Cent, André 3000, Sleepy Brown ... HEY what about Xzibit!!  He’s got a two-thousand-five-hundred-word vocabulary, sweetie!!  (Well, that’s “reading” vocabulary ... it’s only two-thousand “spoken” but this is no time to be difficult, Celtic ....)

Posted by Celt Cult Gene Express on October 18, 2008, 06:56 PM | #

I’ve heard of Mike Tyson but have no idea who the other folks you mentioned are.  And I guess you just proved my point with what you wrote........

How many times have you been divorced Scoobs?  How many “relationships” have you run through?  I highly doubt you are a once married honest family man with good job.  If you were, you’d have no time to spend on this blog.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 18, 2008, 07:10 PM | #

It’s Melba who keeps me coming back.

Posted by Paleo Mike on March 21, 2009, 12:44 AM | #

This is priceless.  Razib Khan is a driveling fool.

http://www.vdare.com/rushton/070926_indians.htm

Posted by whistleblower on March 28, 2009, 03:05 PM | #

Posted by friedrich braun on January 12, 2006, 05:49 AM | #

(btw, I don’t have any qualms in plainly stating that I view East Indians and other sub-continentals as clearly inferior to White Europeans and their descendants)

btw I dont have any qualms in plainly stating that I view you as a JOKER either!