Muslim rape wave in Sweden

Posted by Guessedworker on December 16, 2005, 06:06 PM | #

Sadly, Fjordman will give up blogging in a few days time.  Its’s understandable because the self-imposed pressure on a single blogger to keep producing good material can get to be a burden.  Still, there aren’t nearly enough voices out there arguing for the survival of the West, and we can’t afford to lose good ones like this guy.

Posted by John S Bolton on December 16, 2005, 07:13 PM | #

Offcials rejoice in freedom for aggression, and will increase it every bit as much as can be gotten away with. Moslems do not have to be treated as individuals in the current state of war which they have declared against the ‘infidel’; it is actually traitorous to treat them as equals and individuals in these circumstances.

Posted by Martin Hutchinson on December 16, 2005, 08:01 PM | #

We’ve already posted this unpleasant picture once; did we really need to do so again?  Alienating moderates and narrowing MR’s focus seem to me counterproductive.

Posted by J Richards on December 16, 2005, 08:10 PM | #

Phil,

I added the picture to your post.  You shouldn’t be hotlinking to images in your posts because the source may have hotlinking protection enabled to prevent others from stealing its bandwith, as happens to be the case for the source that you have attempted to take the picture from; besides, stealing others’ bandwith should preferably be avoided.  Download the image that you wish to display to a folder and then upload it to MR.  Even if you are commenting, you can log in to the control panel, upload the image (do nothing else) and then link to it in the comment.  For instance, the url to the image above is:

majorityrights.com/images/uploads/gang_raped_linda.jpg

For any image you upload using the control panel, the url will be the same except for the name of the image.

Posted by Phil on December 16, 2005, 08:12 PM | #

Thanks. We could reduce the image though. Its too big.

Posted by J Richards on December 16, 2005, 08:18 PM | #

Martin,

The previous picture was much smaller.  Anyway, putting a face on the epidemic is likely necessary to jolt Swedish authorities into action.

Fjordman also provided the following contact information:

Some suggested email addresses:

Swedish Prime Minister Göran Persson:

Swedish Minister of Justice Thomas Bodström:

Swedish Member of Cabinet Mona Sahlin:

Swedish Members of Parliament:

Socialdemokraterna:

Jan Björkman:
Tomas Eneroth:

Moderaterna:

Fredrik Reinfeldt:
Gunilla Carlsson:

Centerpartiet:

Maud Olofsson:
Marianne Magnusson:

Folkpartiet liberalerna:

Lars Leijonborg:
Mauricio Rojas:

Vänsterpartiet:

Lars Ohly:
Titti Berg:

Kristdemokraterna:

Göran Hägglund:
Maria Larsson:

Swedish media:

Aftonbladet:

Jens Kärrman:
Karin Johansson:
Mia Carron:
Helle Klein:

Expressen:

Terese Cristiansson:
Anders Fallenius:
Mats Lilja:

Svenska Dagbladet:

,

Annsofie Näslund:

Sveriges Radio:

,

Maria Ekelund:
Kajsa Hallhagen:
Helena Iles:
Monica Orlando Dahlin:

Sveriges Television:

Johan Lindén:
Jan Axelsson,:
Carina Brorman:
Gunwi Silander:

Dagens Nyheter:
Jan Wifstrand:
Pia Skagermark:
Niklas Ekdal:
Henrik Brors:

Posted by Andrew on December 16, 2005, 08:28 PM | #

It seems the Brainwashing has been that severe; when Truths and fact are raise in the most rarest of Media and political occasions, it still has no impact, unless you or someone close has become a victim; there can not be many left who have not been touched by the poisonous Fete Comply, and may well but for a few, consigned their own fete because of the ignorance and the miss begotten trust by those only worthy of complete utter contempt. Sounds like psychological tactics to me, and to a greater extent subliminal messaging and conditioning in language and Reasoning. “Born Free” the movie is a prime example of what happens when basic instinctive skills are removed, When the Survival skills are depleted and people (Animals) made dependent on others, your reason - your thoughts- your skills are removed- you die-and we are being conditioned for that very fete by Pathological Looter Engineers.
Same Question again and Again, Where are our “Intelligent” to warn you of the Scourge? Where are the Competent ?, and most important Where are are the defenders to counter and protect you of such a horrific circumstance: complete silence and abandonment.

Posted by Phil on December 16, 2005, 08:40 PM | #

J Richards,

You must be credited with more optimism than I have ever possessed.

Expecting the spineless Social Democrat cowardly politicians that currently run Sweden would be a little too much to expect. It would take a massive political swing and the coming of strong nationalistic parties to do the job (and there aren’t any serious contenders on the horizon just yet although I would defer to people better informed on Sweden than I am).

Cowards like Göran Persson are not going to do the job. Affirmative action quotas is probably what they will come up with next.

Posted by Phil on December 16, 2005, 08:50 PM | #

Actually even if some political party tried to talk about it, it would get nowhere because of Sweden’s “Hate Speech” laws. One far-right leader was recently arrested for saying:

“I don’t think I am alone in feeling sick when reading about how Swedish girls are raped by immigrant hordes.”

So even if lots of people wanted to solve the problem, talking about it would be impossible because it would lead to immediate arrest.

Nice isn’t it? The Muslims rape and kill and do as they please and the native Europeans get arrested for noticing it!

Posted by ben tillman on December 16, 2005, 09:03 PM | #

Translation of the caption under the photo:

Linda, 18, wants the pictures taken of her after the assault to be publicized in The Express, to show how brutal the violence against women can be.

Posted by J Richards on December 16, 2005, 09:17 PM | #

Phil,

One needs to use tact if one has to deal with Swedish “anti-hate” laws.  For instance, one could make a din about Scandinavian women having the highest status among women throughout the world, yet there being an increasing incidence of rape of women in Sweden.  One could say in public, “This is a crisis and we need to sit down and think about why this is happening; why is heteropatriarchal oppression getting worse?” As long as immigrants are not mentioned, one would not fall foul of “anti-hate” laws.

Posted by john rackell on December 16, 2005, 09:21 PM | #

So even if lots of people wanted to solve the problem, talking about it would be impossible because it would lead to immediate arrest.

They cannot arrest everyone. At some point we have to call the authorities’ bluff. The Australian police can arrest one man for carrying a branch, can they arrest 1,000 or 10,000, or 100,000? The justice system would grind to a halt. Can the Swedish police arrest everyone who dares to speak up? It is foolhardy for a single person to do it but not for thousands. Such organization is non-violent and legal and legitimate for us and for us to promote.

Posted by Phil on December 16, 2005, 09:23 PM | #

But if you don’t discuss the actual cause, real reform will never come because there will be plenty of deluded idiots who will continue to believe in the “Social Democrat” fantasy.

The only way the situation is going to change is if the anti-hate laws are repealed first.

Anyway, I think the situation will probably get a lot lot worse in Sweden before they have any prospect of getting better.

Posted by Phil on December 16, 2005, 09:26 PM | #

John,

That would be a very interesting event. I keep thinking back to the Berlin Wall. The bluff was called and the whole thing collapsed in a heap in no time.

Posted by john rackell on December 16, 2005, 09:55 PM | #

Phil, the Berlin wall and the toppling of the Ceausescu regime spring to mind. The rebellion against Ceaucescu happened literally under his nose when the crowd he was giving his speech to began murmuring its discontent. It was up to the Romanian authorities to open fire on the crowd, or depose Ceausescu. It was courageous of them.

At least we in the West have the right to organize in open. I don’t think the police and army are prepared to open fire on us. I think the real fear for many in the West is not physical fear but economic fear of losing one’s job.

But I think those of us who write here should look at this as a war (non-violent in the civil disobedience), with all that entails. Collective action to organize massive ‘force’ at specific weak points in the multicultural opposition. And the ability to go to prison in mass numbers means the state won’t use gang rape against white prisoners as a means of reprisal. If large numbers of whites were going to prison it would dramatically increase the dialogue in the respective countries because it makes the government look oppressive and this is a hearts and minds campaign within the white volk.

The temperature has got to be raised because it gets people on the sidelines engaged in the debate and we could see if they are on our side or not.

Posted by Andrew on December 16, 2005, 10:43 PM | #

Here is an interesting link: Just edit in what Nation you live- and Political party in power there and send it in. Not much but at least it’s a start. Shake that tree a little harder.
http://cracker.com.au/viewthread.aspx?categoryid=11121&threadid=94369

This is not just an isolated problem, it is of an International design.

Posted by Geoff Beck on December 16, 2005, 11:56 PM | #

Ben,

> Translation of the caption under the photo:
> Linda, 18, wants the pictures taken of her after the assault to be publicized in >The Express, to show how brutal the violence against women can be.

Respectability, Ben. We need to remember that. Respectability.  It’s all about respectability.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 17, 2005, 01:20 AM | #

“Respectability, Ben. We need to remember that. Respectability.  It’s all about respectability.” (—Geoff)

Geoff’s sarcastic here but as Timothy McVeigh, David Koresh, Lázaro González (Elian’s Miami uncle), the Tian An Men pro-democracy demonstrators, and lots of others learned the hard way:  you can’t call the shots when you’re not the one in power.

Our turn will come.  When power starts to shift it’ll be obvious, as it was suddenly in Hungary, then East Berlin, then the other places one-by-one in rapid succession, in 1989.  The other side won’t be able to stop it.  We’ll be ecstatic with joy.  They’ll be trembling from fright and vomiting from fear. 

Right now I can’t do anything. 

But I can remember.

The motto you see on license plates of the Quebeckers driving around here in Vermont is Je me souviens. I remember. 

The other side forbid a lot but this they can’t forbid.  They can’t unburn what their outrages have seared in like a scar.  They can’t get inside my brain.  They can’t get at my memory.  It’s not going anywhere.  It’ll be there when our turn comes, still fresh as when all their heartbreaking tyranny, their crude unprovoked crimes, their aggressive injustice, their attempted forced genocide were five minutes old.  Those memories will be there, perfectly fresh, when our turn comes. 
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-- “All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.”—Enoch Powell
-- Moratorium-plus-Repatriation!
-- Balkanization is better than Brazilianization!
-- The 1965 Immigration-Holocaust Act:  the gift that keeps on giving!
-- What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the usual suspects!
-- “White fellows fight back and we fight back hard; it is in our genes, being Anglos.”—Andrew

Posted by Svigor on December 17, 2005, 03:57 AM | #

My position is that once speech is suppressed by the government, the gloves come off.  I’ll leave it to the Swedes and the rest to decide their own fate, but if speech ever becomes criminalized here, I say all bets are off.

A government that criminalizes speech is illegitimate, tyrannical.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 17, 2005, 05:27 AM | #

“My position is that once speech is suppressed by the government, the gloves come off.” (—Svigor)

I would say that sounds right.  If they flat-out suppress our discussion of these topics with one another—if they make it so we can’t communicate with each other on these questions—then, you’re right, the gloves come off.  It’s of course in preparation for doing exactly that—for suppressing our ability to communicate with one another on these topics—that the other side wants so hysterically to get our guns away from us.  Any group that lets itself be disarmed signs its own death warrant: that group will be genocided out of existence as surely as the sun will rise tomorrow.  The only question is, How soon?  How much time does that group have left to survive?
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-- “All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.”—Enoch Powell
-- Moratorium-plus-Repatriation!
-- Balkanization is better than Brazilianization!
-- The 1965 Immigration-Holocaust Act:  the gift that keeps on giving!
-- What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the usual suspects!
-- “White fellows fight back and we fight back hard; it is in our genes, being Anglos.”—Andrew

Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 17, 2005, 06:36 AM | #

Incidentally, if you look closely at “Linda’s” nose in that picture it looks (unless this is some sort of illusion due to the particular shadowing and all the dried streaks of blood) as if her nose is pretty badly broken—smashed—in several places.  If that’s right I’d say the Moslem or Somali thug or whatever he was had her down and was literally stomping on her face with his shoe—either that or he must have punched her quite hard a number of times in the face with his fist to smash up her nose like that.  How a man could do that to anyone let alone a woman just boggles the mind.  The explanation of course is this person was not a man, but an animal.

“Alienating moderates and narrowing MR’s focus” (—Martin)

Martin, while I agree that over-emphasis on the topic of Jews can be a turn-off for moderates (an observation made in the other thread, on Ireland) I don’t see why going over this particular news item a second time, or posting this photo a second time, ought to alienate moderates.—or if it does, maybe the kind of moderates it alienates are the kind who’d never be happy with MR.com anyway.  With all respect, I think doing that article and photo a second time are perfectly OK.

Posted by Freddy on December 17, 2005, 06:41 AM | #

Incidentally, if you look closely at “Linda’s” nose in that picture it looks (unless this is some sort of illusion due to the particular shadowing and all the dried streaks of blood) as if her nose is pretty badly broken—smashed—in several places.

I believe she had to have reconstructive facial surgery.

Posted by Søren Renner on December 17, 2005, 03:41 PM | #

Hey, Svi, Fred, et al! Happy Saturday. I just had a notion—I thought I’d run it up the flagpole. What say we join Geoff Beck and fight as brothers? Just a thought.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 17, 2005, 04:37 PM | #

“What say we join Geoff Beck and fight as brothers? Just a thought.” (—Soren)

Hi, Soren.  I think I get your point—the story of what happened to this Swedish girl and seeing this photo of her battered face and head makes people madder than hell.  I’m with you completely, I hope it’s not necessary to point out:  I for one am mad as could be.  I’m quietly furious at the situation and at the behind-the-scenes individuals and groups who are doing this.  I would say you, Svigor, Geoff and I are already fighting as brothers, each in the way most suited to his personality, his strengths and his weaknesses.  I don’t know if my own set of strengths and weaknesses would suit me to become a regular poster at the site Geoff’s at now.  On the other hand, MajorityRights.com feels perfect for me, perfectly suited to my personality and the sort of place and ambience where I can be most effective.  Thanks for your comment which I take as a welcome expression of outrage and of solidarity in this struggle.  I view you as a fellow soldier and I hope you view me as one.  I’ll call you a word not used in the English-speaking world among fellow soldiers but more in Central and Eastern Europe, a word a Flemish nationalist at another site recently called me after I’d commented on a post of his:  comrade.  It gave me a good feeling when that Fleming called me that, and I’ll call you that:  thank you for your comment, comrade!

Posted by Phil on December 17, 2005, 05:17 PM | #

I’m quietly furious at the situation and at the behind-the-scenes individuals and groups who are doing this.

Yes this is the one area where I think I disagree with almost everyone at this site.

I don’t think one can make the “machinating individuals” argument in respect of small Scandinavian nations. Also, unlike the United States, Sweden and Norway (to take two examples) have a remarkable degree economic equality and are less susceptible to political manipulation by big business (which gains little from Muslim rabble anyway because it is unemployable).

Sorry chaps. But its the Scandinvians (by which I mean the average Scandinavian voter) who have dug the grave for themselves and it is for them to dig themselves out of it. If you read Fjordman’s blog, you will get a flavour of kind of loonie, love the world, socialist humanitarian politics that has long been such a defining characteristic of Scandinavia*. And you can go all the way back to the odious Gunnar Myrdal for confirmation (Myrdal’s American Dilemma was written 61 years go, no less).

No. There are no machinating elites here. The average Swede or Norwegian has opted for this type of politics for years now. And they are paying the price for it. Denmark (which is right next door) shows that if the public gets fed up with it, the politics changes very rapidly indeed. That hasn’t happened in Sweden or Norway just yet.

*Norway has just passed a law which says that where a non-white resident of Norway accuses a native Norwegian of “discrimination”, the native Norwegian is guilty unless he can prove his innocence. And this law was apparently passed with an 85 percent majority in the Norwegian parliament.

So if the majority of Norwegians and Swedes love masochism, then......

Posted by Søren Renner on December 17, 2005, 05:55 PM | #

Fred, I did not say “let us join Geoff at his other site.” I was happy to see him back here, and took the liberty of (para)quoting the title of an essay he posted some while back. Your anger is justified but not mandatory; some dishes are just as well served cold, and prepared rationally. I feel the pressure not of rage but of time. Perhaps Eliot’s barman said it best: Hurry up its time. Eliding the “‘“ introduces a lovely ambiguity, don’t you think so?

Posted by Svigor on December 17, 2005, 06:25 PM | #

I have to take a tangential point from Phil’s post and apply it to answering Soren’s question.

My job is to get my race to want to save itself.  If that job is accomplished, I’ll serve in any capacity necessary.  If it fails, I’ll not do my race’s job for it, but rather pursue my own best interests.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 17, 2005, 06:56 PM | #

The link in Andrew’s comment of Dec. 16, 10:43 PM has a letter composed by a chap at that site meant to be taken and sent amended or as is to the New South Wales parliament members.  I amended it and sent it yesterday, carelessly addressing it to the national parliament in Canberra by mistake.  One legislator, Peter Primrose, has replied.  Here’s his e-mail, and underneath it the amended form-letter gotten from Andrew’s site, which I e-mailed yesterday:
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[Mr. Primrose’s reply to me:]

My friend, not only have you addressed your email to the wrong parliament, but your logic is as muddled as your understanding of our local situation.

Just go and find another small Middle Eastern country to invade for their oil, and leave the rest of us alone.
______

[Here’s the e-mail I’d sent, not written by me, being a slightly amended version of the one composed at that other site, which I basically agreed with and used at the writer’s invitation:]

Vermont
December 16, 2005

Fred Scrooby

Posted by Phil on December 17, 2005, 07:03 PM | #

That Primrose looks like another fruitcake of the flower generation. (chuckle)

I suppose he’s not going to “get it” until he himself gets physically beaten up by Lebanese thugs. Morality is wonderful when others get stabbed, knifed or gang-raped. Once the treatement gets spread more evenly, that morality begins to totter rather rapidly.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 17, 2005, 07:11 PM | #

My experience with Mr. Primrose illustrates the following:

”Speak thou not in the ears of unwise men; for they shall despise the teaching of thy speech.” Proverbs 23, 9 (Wycliffe)

Posted by Phil on December 17, 2005, 07:24 PM | #

http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/members.nsf/0/36A72E1C810FC5124A25672E0002E1DA/$file/print.jpg

Primrose............

Posted by Phil on December 17, 2005, 07:25 PM | #

Not a pretty sight!

Posted by Andrew on December 17, 2005, 07:25 PM | #

Well Fred, You found out how brain-dead and stupid our Government is – Beaurocrats etc, Thanks for publishing the reply Fred, we all can garnish now why our countries are stuffed. All this started in the Universities, and we are reaping the hellish consequences of the Idiot’s. Fruit cake is a bit light Phil, I could name a few other names, and this parasite is on about 375,000.00 dollars a year, certainly not value for my money, and with my money I demand value, but we get Dopes. Sadly there are a great many of them: This can not last for much longer, we do all realize that?

Posted by Phil on December 17, 2005, 07:42 PM | #

and this parasite is on about 375,000.00 dollars a year

I bet he doesn’t donate most of that to charity, given that his income is several times the income of the average Australian?

Keeps the money for himself while sucking the private sector for more “charity”. That’s a good Leftist for you. The morality fits the personal interests perfectly.

Fred,

I’d be tempted to reply to him saying that given how rich he is, he may wish to alleviate some of the poverty in the third world by donating most of the 375,000 that he makes. Surely his opinions would require that of him no?

As with that troll Simon, the moment you pin a Leftist down to parting with his interests to match his words with deeds, gibberish usually follows and then they scoot. I’d be very temped to send a reply. (chuckle)

Posted by Andrew on December 17, 2005, 07:53 PM | #

The picture Phil tells the whole story: He obviously is a Union Thug, and with in the ranks of the Labor party here at least is not so dissimilar than the Mafia organization, Reality dopes become QC and attorneys-Advisors-Consultants- Trained and programmed in Linguistics- but not by intelligent design, e.g. Taxi Driver , (Labor party Member) realized he is not smart enough to become a QC, but a fellow labor part fraudster, claimed you do not have to be, so Intellectual degrees are now Fraud and are criminal based, not the Intelligent Design- but by-“ my mate is more important than the public good”, when you have 1 million or so of these individual Omiba’s (Single Cell organisms) pretending- and robbing you blind by legalized corruption, that alone is a large contributing reason why we are falling apart and quite rapidly. Correlate that to the need to Import more Dopes from third world Nations helps compliment their lack of intelligence, for others around are so stupid they will never realize they are not that smart after all.

Posted by Martin Hutchinson on December 17, 2005, 10:26 PM | #

Phil, your assumption that democratic politics controls Scandinavia is wrong; they are among the less deomocratic countries in the world, in the sense of being subject to the force of mass popular opinion.  Norway’s an oil state, and controlled by the poeple who run its oil company.  Sweden is economically controlled by the Wallenberg family, and has been since 1936 when Marcus Wallenberg did a deal with incomeing Socialist Premier Tage Erlander that he could levy whetever cuckoo taxes and political correctness he wanted on everyone elsem, provided that the Wallenbergs could keep their control of the majority of major Swedish companies in tax free foundations, the use of proceeds from which would not be enquired into too closely though the family would not make a vulgar exhibition of itself.  That’s why Sweden was so successful; it wasn’t a Socialist country after 1945, it was a corporate state under the control of one man, like a rather larger Ford Motor Corporation under the first Henry Ford (Sweden has a working population of only about 3 million, after all.) This didn’t stop working in the early 80s because the socilist model broke down, it stopped working because Marcus Wallenberg died, and his heir Peter was useless.  However since about 1998 it has been run by a grandson, Jacob, who’s a nasty piece of work but capable, and economic growth has resumed. The Wallenbergs are a socially liberal lot (and in any case live much of the time in Britain) so social liberalism is the way it is.  It’s as if the Chamber of Commerce, with its crazed hunger for cheap immigrant labor, was ACTUALLY running the United States instead of merley thinking it did.

Incidentally, the Sensenbrenner immigration leguislation passed the House last night—wall with Mexico, eelectronic checking of illegal immigrants, abolition of the visa lottery—a LOT of moves in the right direction.  IT may not survive the Senate, and it may well get vetoed by the odious W, but it shows the tectonic plates are shifting, and it may also do some good.

Posted by Phil on December 17, 2005, 11:32 PM | #

Martin,

A liberal democracy isn’t a corporation. Politics is more complex than that. Which is why your political analysis lacks penitration, in my humble opinion. The thing is, economic causes and theories do not explain political motives particularly well and in some cases not at all.

And we are talking of countries which are liberal democracies, i.e. “one man/woman, one vote”. If the policies we are talking about were so repulsive to the Swedish/Norwegian electorate, they would have voiced their dissent at the ballot box and done so vehemently (and before all this dumb hate speech legislation was passed).

Please read Gunnar Myrdal’s work and the works of the Swedish academics who followed in his footsteps and shaped the politics of Scandinavia and indeed the Western world. Scandinavians have a “thing” for “love the world” politics. That is just a fact.

All the Scandinavians I have known from my University days have been like that and they probably represent the current godawful situation better than those of earlier generations. And none of them ever showed an inclination for a more sensible common sense conservative course of action although nothing ever stopped them from doing so.

More specifically,

Norway’s an oil state, and controlled by the poeple who run its oil company.

The oil company is state owned I believe and the state is answerable to the people at the ballot box.

Sweden is economically controlled by the Wallenberg family, and has been since 1936 when Marcus Wallenberg did a deal with incomeing Socialist Premier Tage Erlander that he could levy whetever cuckoo taxes and political correctness he wanted on everyone elsem, provided that the Wallenbergs could keep their control of the majority of major Swedish companies in tax free foundations, the use of proceeds from which would not be enquired into too closely though the family would not make a vulgar exhibition of itself. 

So the impetus for cuckoo taxes and political correctness came from the politicians and not the Wallenbergs? That has been my whole point which is that the level of masochistic moral vanity the Scandinavians show is a reflection of their public opinion. It has not been introduced by a machinating cabal in the background. That is what the public wants. Now that it is starting to hurt them physically, I am sure many are having second thoughts about it. But they voted for this stuff in the first place!

Posted by Melba Peachtoast on December 18, 2005, 12:14 AM | #

Let us not allow ourselves to be lead down the Primrose path like sheeple to the shambles. “Si Quaeres Amoenam Marsupialium, Circumcise”. Well, darlings, the wallabies have knowcked down their quadrangle again so your Melba must—

Posted by Martin Hutchinson on December 18, 2005, 01:24 AM | #

A democratic electorate will always vote to pillage the rich if it thinks it can get away with it; this was first noticed by Lord Salisbury in 1862. In Sweden, because its idiocy had no adverse economic consequences, it was able to get away with it.  In Britain, 1945-79 proved that it couldn’t.

Posted by Phil on December 18, 2005, 01:49 AM | #

Martin,

Sorry but you have a tendency to disappear on an “economic” tangent. My point was not about taxes but Scandinavian moral vanity as great humanitarians, tolerant people and about laws that are now so absurd as to fall foul of the most basic principles of civilized jurisprudence. These rapes and all the other attendant problems of mass Muslim immigration are a result of that.

And what you have just said about the majority plundering the rich in democracy flatly contradicts what you said earlier about Sweden being less of a democracy. So is Sweden a democracy or not? Your suggesting that it was inevitable that the rich would get plundered in a democracy suggests that you think it is. But before that you wrote:

Phil, your assumption that democratic politics controls Scandinavia is wrong; they are among the less deomocratic countries in the world, in the sense of being subject to the force of mass popular opinion.

Posted by Martin Hutchinson on December 18, 2005, 01:59 AM | #

The Swedish electorate is allow to vote high taxes and a huge welfare state, but not to control the “commanding heights of the economy.” You can by all means argue which is more important, but the normal constraints on economic leftism don’t apply because of the Wallenberg/Erlander deal (Erlander, incidentally lasted until 1962, so the system got well entrenched.)

I suspect not seeing the economic maunderings of leftist academics disproved by economic collapse, as they were in Britain, gives more credibility to their maunderings on other subjects as well, but that I agree is only a theory.

I don’t claim to understand Swedish society particularly, but I do understand their economy, since for several years in the ‘80s I was a Director at Enskilda Securities, sat on the same Board as Peter W (with whom I ventured to disagree about Spain, a country I was rightly (as of ‘86) bullish on and he completeley failed to understand). My career in Swedish banking came to an unexpected close when I told then-trainee Jacob Wallenberg, with complete justification “Jacob, I can see that for you, being a Wallenberg means never having to say you’re sorry.” (you guys did catch “Love Story” on the late night re-runs, didn’t you.)

Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 20, 2005, 02:51 AM | #

There are New South Wales MPs who have outlooks different from the Peter Primroses of this world (see my comment above, of Dec. 17, 6:56 PM):  Mr. David Oldfield has e-mailed the following reply to the letter I sent:

“Your observations are indeed correct - I have, for many ears, attempted to get people to see what was just around the corner - it is an uphill battle at the best of times.  Regards, David Oldfield.”

Thank goodness there are such clear-sighted men in public service in Australia!

(I hasten to add that, as regards Peter Primrose, there certainly were several truths among the criticisms leveled by him against the United States and American society.  What I for one hold against the likes of Primrose aren’t those particular sorts of criticisms, a number of which I agree with, but the refusal or inability to see reality where excessive incompatible immigration is concerned.  That’s what I hold against such people, who are doing incalculable harm and not only doing it but are arrogant while they’re about it.  This is a very unpleasant lot.)

Posted by Calvin on December 22, 2005, 08:48 PM | #

“The average Swede or Norwegian has opted for this type of politics for years now. And they are paying the price for it”

We are not Norwegians, Australians, Frenchmen, Italians or Flemmings. We are one people. A family. The Norwegians are NOT the authors of their own destruction. They have fallen under the influence of a drug, a poisonous ideology. If a member of your family falls under the influence of a drug it is your duty to restore them to health. We cannot and will not, ever lose faith in the ability of our brothers and sisters to come to an understanding of their unique legacy and role in the world.

Posted by Ben on April 16, 2006, 01:05 AM | #

Who isn’t infuriated by this? Tighten down immigration, deal frankly with the hordes of rapist Muslim bastards.

Posted by Ahmad Yassin on April 17, 2006, 01:47 AM | #

In islam,rape is criminal and will be punish under the shariah law.Those who say Nabi Muhammad SAW permit rapes at slaves or concubines must had a really fantasy idea.You people always claim to be expert on Islam but in reality you know nothing about Islam.Even you made the research from Al Quran,Hadith,muslim intellectual,all you idiots people intention is to attack everything Islamic.You people attack on Islam is nothing new.To those muslims whatever their origin in Europe,beware,anything you do even the smallest crimes will be headlines in their media.So let the scandinavians rotten as fast as they could,as they are nordic people are are educated and successful but as far as i am concern but they are just another type of slaveryto the zionist and remain forever.May u scandinavian burn in peace.To all muslims in Scandinavia,i suggest when the time is up with all the islamphobia invented by the zionist control media,you should keep a low profile.To all westerners,never complain about anything when a christian is sentence to death in Muslim Country for apostate cause in reality you did not really care and mind your own bussiness.If you claims to be one whites nations in Europe whatever you ethnic origin is,no wonder Adolf Hitler vision of Aryan nations fail completely in WW2,and hahahahahah,let lead by example your scandinavian nations merge in one country,language & government.What nordic?Sweden,Finland,Norway & Denmark?I hope it become reality in 2010.If not,then i suggest you should separates forever.Hahahahah,lets see if i"m correct,you educated but monkey iq scandinavians.

Posted by Al Ross on April 17, 2006, 02:56 AM | #

Islam’s overwhelmingly Third World adherents are mostly illiterate and, in Malaysia, where the majority of them are able to read and write, there is an ineradicable belief in pre-Islamic animism among the majority Muslim Malays. Also the rape and incest rates in Malaysia are indicative of much Muslim over-representation, whilst the higher IQ Overseas Chinese Malaysians are considerably under-represented in the commission of both types of crime.

The Muslim attitude to women is proprietorial and,of course, this backward state if affairs is at the root of the rape problem, a situation which wouldnt matter to Whites if the primitives limited their disgusting activities to their own ugly womenfolk.

Posted by Ahmad Yassin on April 17, 2006, 04:32 AM | #

To Al Ross,muslims in Malaysia had the highest standard of living and better educated.Unfortunately,although Malaysia is muslims majority,Islam is the official religion,Msia govt is secular at the official level.Yes,i’m not ashamed to admit they are malay muslims in my country who is alcoholic,drug addicts,drug trafficker and all sort of crimes.But do not forget,our government law is very strict whether it is Islamic sharia law or otherwise.Here a convicted drugs trafficker will be sentence to death.Rapists whether muslims or not,depend on the case,liable for wiping & 20 years life imprisons.I myself hates muslim who commit crimes to other people whether the victim muslim or otherwise.I had no sympathy for them.Yes,it is true my government did implement institution racism towards the non muslim community especially chinese.But it does not means we oppress them.Why?Because Malaysia belong to Malay muslims supremacy historically just like if i were to becomes Swedish citizen,i had no right to say Sweden belong to immigrants.And as i had say,you westerners are very ignorant about Islam.Your negative remarks does not suprise me at all.Chinese in Msia had many rights that they did not had in Indonesia.They can celebrate new year,chinese schools,open liquor store that to most muslims are forbidden in Islam.To Fred Scooby,why the immigrants muslims commit rapes in Europe acccording to statistics.I think their view is Europe women are wild,immoral and very seductive to men whether muslims or otherwise.And since Europe law are so tolerant about sex,so why not,they coommit it?Who is going to punish them in Europe under Islamic sharia laws?That does not means that muslims men in Europe had any rights to rape white women whether they are in bikini or sexy outfit nor did i ever agree if what mufti of denmark said that sexy women invite muslims man to rape.Thats the most nonsense idea i ever heard if he did really say that.I just wonder why non muslim country are quiet about porno,gays,alcohol or is it part of the new world order?Just look at the surplus of women in Europe?And then you people attack Islam permits polygamy?No wonder when a porno company in Europe & Americas want to start a new films,Europeans and white women are always available.Of course this women are train in their youth by their culture as long you are above 18,is is your freedom to had sex whether it heterosexual or homos.So i had to agree with mufti of Denmark,whites woman had nothing to be respect whether by muslims or otherwise.Unfortunately,most of the whores & porno industry are done by non muslims whites,blacks and asians.No wonder your women are look down by muslims.And yes,don’t think immigrants cause sosial problem in Europe only.A few years ago,Msia government send all illegal immigrants whether their skin is black,brown,muslims or otherwise.Even Indonesians although historically muslims and speak same malay language,if they are illegal,they will be deported without any delay.This is no joke.

Posted by Al Ross on April 17, 2006, 04:46 AM | #

Malaysia belongs to the Orang Asli, historically. They were race-replaced by interloper Malays.

The rest of your garbled illiteracy is hardly worth the effort of perusal.

I hope your Bahasa is better than your English, but as the Chinese tend to obtain higher marks in the school subject, this may not necessarily be the case.

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 06:47 AM | #

To Fred Scooby,why the immigrants muslims commit rapes in Europe acccording to statistics.I think their view is Europe women are wild,immoral and very seductive to men whether muslims or otherwise

Then why aren’t white men going around raping women the same way? They don’t because they are civilized. The Muslims are barbarians who don’t belong in a civilized society. Simple as that really.

Posted by Ahmad Yassin on April 17, 2006, 07:00 AM | #

What Malaysia belong to orang asli?Orang asli is a malay word if you know bahasa i guess.I think you are either ignorant or will remain ignorant Australian.I did not have to apologize for my English cause if you are Australian,you always remain phobia about asians invasion of Australia.Australia is actually Asian continent historically only because of accident of history,it is occupied by whites.Whites are the ruling government since colonial time,so they are always correct.To all muslims in Australia,i think you should be on full alert,cause the native son of whites Australia are waging a fantasy racial & religious war on you with any oppurtunity they had.

Posted by Zam Zam on April 17, 2006, 07:05 AM | #

Just admit you whites man,you people are sexual pervert.Simple as that,white man & women the same.No if,but,this or that.

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 07:11 AM | #

Just admit you whites man,you people are sexual pervert.Simple as that,white man & women the same.No if,but,this or that.

LOL!!

We are sexual perverts? At least we don’t bugger boys like your co-religionists do.

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 07:16 AM | #

Excerpts:

A Moslem who is the active partner in sexual relations with other men is not considered a “homosexual” (the word has no pre-modern Arabic equivalent); quite the contrary, his sexual domination of another man may even confer a status of hyper-masculinity. He may use other men as substitutes for women, and at the same time have great contempt for them.  This depraved view of sex, common in mainstream Moslem societies, is commonly found in the West only in prisons. In all cases it is the presence of love, affection, or equality among sexual partners that is intolerable. Equality in sexual relations is unimaginable in Islam, whether heterosexual or homosexual. Sex in Islamic societies has never been about mutuality between partners, but about the adult male’s achievement of pleasure through domination.

A 17th century French visitor to the Middle East went so far as to claim that Moslems were bisexual by nature, and many male authors gave descriptions of “licentiousness” (lesbianism) among women in harems and bath houses. Homosexuality became known to the English as the “Persian” or “Turkish” vice.

This peculiar aspect of the Middle East has never entirely disappeared. The sight of men, even soldiers in uniform, strolling along a street hand in hand, strikes first-time visitors as extraordinary even today. The Moslem world enjoyed a reputation as a haven for sex with boys and men well into the twentieth century. The proclivities of many Western authors like Gustave Flaubert, Oscar Wilde, or Andre Gide, reflected the pederast and homosexual attractions of the Islamic world; the fascination continues in the “gay culture” of our own time:

The author of this passage, a self-confessed promiscuous homosexual, has intuited something important, and dangerous. Excessively doting, downtrodden mothers fixated on their offspring, and aloof, mostly distant and domineering fathers, create preconditions for what is known in clinical psychology as the “lost object homosexuality,” as opposed to the pre-Oedipal polyformous homosexuality, which is “love for men.” The cry for the missing father, that emanates across the Moslem world into the endless void from a hundred thousand minarets five times each day, can never be answered. The hatred that motivates Bin Laden and his “feminine yet virile” followers is not the normal aggressiveness of the child for the father at the Oedipal stage, which can be mediated and managed, but hard-core psychotic homosexuality of the son abandoned by his father, a near-incurable condition that can lead to homicidal, delusional paranoia.

Posted by Zam Zam on April 17, 2006, 07:35 AM | #

What a distorted orientalist writtings you refer to?I just wonder how many foreign words in English dictionary?But in reality sexual pervert are legal in all western nations.So i wonder,what will you do to keep the virginity of the white female before she reach 18?Just admit it whites men.You can do nothing.Not even scientific research can prevent your race from extinct.Islam & muslims are not your real enemy.I know they are many whites who accept Islam who is profesional by the way.Your still not realise,you had no chance to at the moment to defeat zionist media,economy,etc strangehold.The whites are not devil really,but if they want to keep their extinct culture & heritage,its cool.Whites had their time during colonial period only they did not realise they are just a zionist slavery.Admit it your so call civillised whites.

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 07:38 AM | #

Men having consensual sex with women is normal, not perverted.

Men having sex with underage boys is perversion - and that is what your Islamic culture has practiced for hundreds of years.

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 07:42 AM | #

Not even scientific research can prevent your race from extinct

What may or may not happen in a hundred years’ time (or even longer) cannot be predicted by anyone based on current trends. You cannot even predict the future five years from now. So to pretend that you have the future all worked out a hundred years ahead is foolhardy at best.

But we shouldn’t be surprised. After all these predictions are coming from People who believe they will get 72 virgins in heaven after blowing up an underground train full of innocent people.

Posted by Al Ross on April 17, 2006, 07:52 AM | #

There really isnt much to say to this type of hideous Moon-God worshipper, except - have a Third World day - because wherever these pernicious pests exist, Thirdworldisation is as certain as Mohammed’s falsity.

Posted by Zam Zam on April 17, 2006, 07:58 AM | #

As i said you are ignorant educated whites about Islam.All you know is 9/11/01 tragedy,arab-israeli conflict.Iraq,Taliban and so on.The only whites christian i really respect his point of view is Mr David Duke the ex KKK leader.He visits Syria last year & you should hear his interview with muslim arab journalist.I hope Mr David Duke convert to Islam one day so that he can educate all you ignorant fools and yet claim to be educated so call whites.

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 08:02 AM | #

You had better pay a little more attention to what Duke thinks of Arabs as a race and how they sit in a position of inferiority to whites. If you did pay the extra attention, you wouldn’t be tooting his name with so much enthusiasm.

I hope Mr David Duke convert to Islam one day so that he can educate all you ignorant fools and yet claim to be educated so call whites.

David Duke is a racialist. Islam is not a racialist religion. Your “hope” that he will convert to Islam is as wishful as the hope for those virgins waiting in heaven for the true believer.

Posted by Al Ross on April 17, 2006, 08:12 AM | #

David Duke convert to Islam?

Yeah, and Ahmadinejad is going to convert to Judaism.

Well, it cant hurt to hope.

Posted by Zam Zam on April 17, 2006, 08:30 AM | #

I did not really believe David Duke is racist.If yes,why he comes to Syria?I know what you are.Correct me if i’m wrong,but your view is just like the neo nazis & the KKK.You people expert interpret bibles,claims to invent the world technology and so on but i know other non whites had contribute as well only they did not boast just like you ignorant white racist.Nowadays whether tech invent by muslims or not,it will not be monopolize by whites race anymore.I am glad you people invent modern tech and keep on invent,so that you can start WW3 just like WW2 where so many of your race killing each other.You whites supremacist is actually a pyshopath suffer from mental disorder.I am glad the SPLC, the zionist NACCP,CIA,FBI monitor your movement and multi million lawsuit to bankrupt your organisation.Mr David Duke is a friendly to muslims,whether what you say he is racialist,his personal feelings towards Arabs,cause you are the one who said it not David Duke.

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 08:39 AM | #

Correct me if i’m wrong,but your view is just like the neo nazis & the KKK.

LMAO!!

Mate, your brain appears to have become disorinetated. You were cooing about how Duke (a former KKK member) is such a swell guy and then turn around to say that the NeoNazis and KKK are evil.

As for David Duke, you can read his books and his writings. Most of that is available online. Run a search and judge for yourself. If David Duke isn’t a racialist (which is not a derogatory term here by the way), then Im Henry the VIII.

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 08:40 AM | #

Lastly, learn to write better English before spouting off here. It will make comprehension easier for all of us.

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 08:46 AM | #

I did not really believe David Duke is racist.If yes,why he comes to Syria?

Because he hates Israel.

Posted by Zam Zam on April 17, 2006, 09:03 AM | #

My english is not very good but as long you understand it is enough.Like yourself,other than english,can you speak and write other lang for example arabic,hebrew,etc.Of course you could not understand a word.Yes,David Duke know what Israeli threat to USA whites culture.Like muslims worldwide,we had legal claims of Palestine that belong to nobody except to Muslims only.Jewish/Zionist are the real threat to us not you so call white christian supremacist.But let me share with you.Your scriptures are english translated.Ours are original source arabic and so on.How many of you christian USA know hebrew/greek language?That is why we can understand your ideology easyly as tip of the iceberg while you had no chance to understand ours.

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 09:24 AM | #

Like yourself,other than english,can you speak and write other lang for example arabic,hebrew,etc.

I can speak (broken) German and some French. A bit of Spanish too. That’s good enough for me.

That is why we can understand your ideology easyly as tip of the iceberg while you had no chance to understand ours.

You understand nothing. Your comments in this thread are a confused gibberish. To understand anything about us you will need to read about us. You ain’t getting that from the Hadith.

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 09:27 AM | #

Like muslims worldwide,we had legal claims of Palestine that belong to nobody except to Muslims only.

Why do 1.2 Billion Muslims occupying 10-15 percent of the Earth’s landmass care about a tiny slither of land that is probably smaller than the county I live in? The entire size of Israel (even including the occupied territories) is like a spit in the river.

Posted by Al Ross on April 17, 2006, 09:52 AM | #

“Ours are original source Arabic “

Arrant nonsense is still arrant nonsense(especially in Arabic )and.as the majority of Muslims are illiterate and many of the ones who arent can speak and read only Urdu, Parsi, Turkish or Indonesian, your risible claim is fraudulent.

Then again being illiterate is simply emulating the prophet,Mohamhead.

Posted by Zam Zam on April 17, 2006, 09:57 AM | #

To answer your question,why do whites occupied 2/3 of the earth landmass worried about non whites migrate in large numbers since 100 years ago?European language contain many muslim arabic origin if you care to make a research, few arabic muslims word are sugar,almanac,coffee,assasin,chemical,algebra and so on.European language whether german,greek,italian,french,english of spanish is a copycat of each other.No wonder all this language when spoken sounds almost the same.One wonder who is speaking gibberish?

Posted by Al Ross on April 17, 2006, 10:14 AM | #

The Muslim Arabs owe a debt of gratitude to Nestorian Christians who were the vital translators of Hellenic thought into Arabic.
Left to themselves the Muslims would have got nowhere because of lack of knowledge - much like today.

Posted by Zam Zam on April 17, 2006, 10:27 AM | #

Oh really?That part i agree.But your stupid research about science and discovery is a modern white christian mentality that you had suffer for decades.Just stop your worthless research about anglo saxon cause it will cause your downfall.You are going to fail in your research cause you white christian are a curse religion as you are today.You had no chance in this world and hereafter.Wait when you died,see how you are going to suffer forever in hell.I gurantee.Cause satan is your guide yesterday,today & tommorow.

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 10:28 AM | #

To answer your question,why do whites occupied 2/3 of the earth landmass worried about non whites migrate in large numbers since 100 years ago?

Whites occupy 2/3rds of the World’s landmass? Where did you read your geography? In a Pakistani Madrassa?

European language whether german,greek,italian,french,english of spanish is a copycat of each other.No wonder all this language when spoken sounds almost the same.

That is the most moronic comment I ever heard. That would be like saying Japanese, Korean and Chinese all look the same, sound the same, its all gibberish.

Go back your ghetto now. We have been sufficiently enlightened as to Arab intelligence. More is not now necessary.

Posted by AD on April 17, 2006, 10:31 AM | #

To answer your question,why do whites occupied 2/3 of the earth landmass worried about non whites migrate in large numbers since 100 years ago?

No idea.

European language contain many muslim arabic origin if you care to make a research, few arabic muslims word are sugar,almanac,coffee,assasin,chemical,algebra and so on.

Good point.

European language whether german,greek,italian,french,english of spanish is a copycat of each other.No wonder all this language when spoken sounds almost the same.

Thought provoking.

One wonder who is speaking gibberish?

Well said and relevant to the issues at hand.

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 10:32 AM | #

Wait when you died,see how you are going to suffer forever in hell.I gurantee.Cause satan is your guide yesterday,today & tommorow.

LMAO!!

This proves the point that every Muslim is a closeted psycho with visions of virgins in paradise and torture for the unbeliever.

Here read the Koran comic. We enjoyed this thoroughly.

Posted by Zam Zam on April 17, 2006, 10:47 AM | #

Ok.That pictures proof nothing.I had been to USA before but i will never encourage muslims to be USA citizens.If they want it,enter at their own risks,so hows that?Do we had a deal?

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 10:57 AM | #

The pictures are from France not the USA.

Posted by Zam Zam on April 17, 2006, 11:20 AM | #

Maybe your judgement about immigrants is correct.Ok,i agree with you to avoid confrontation.But i still had to admit that you know nothing about Islam.I just pretend to be a naive muslims arab just to see how do you react?Lets skip religion cause neither you or me will win in this battle.And you & i know,all this immigrants and muslims problem in the western world had nothing to do with me.I live in my own country & so do you.I think you are right the only solutions to immigrant is for them to be deported as long they illegal,criminal & harmful to the so call white christian civilization.I think this is the kind of solutions you want.But wait a minute,who is going to do it?Govt dept?How many people you can deport each year?I am sure the western govt can afford the costs 100%.I myself did not want to see USA or Europe to turn into bloody wars because of Islam.This immigrant should never in the first place creates trouble in the foreign soil & they should know they are foreigners.If they come to study or as a tourist,i don’t think it cause any harm to anybody.So how that?Do we had a deal?

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 11:45 AM | #

Humane repatriation is possible if the political will is there. We are here to build the political will.

The movement to save Europe from extinction is a growing movement. Over time, I think, it will achieve critical mass in politics. At that point a lot will change.

In addition, the future is uncertain. There is the small matter of future energy supplies which no one would be willing to hedge their bets on (I know I wouldn’t) - with Peak Oil in the next decade (to take a very optimistic estimate) a very distinct possibility.

Much of Western indulgence towards immigrants and foreginers is a product of comforts and prosperity. As those things are threatened people’s view of things will change very rapidly.

The one thing that has always amazed me is how quickly American voters, for example, react if the Economy looks even slightly dodgy. To them it matters more than anything else which is perhaps also the reason why they don’t bother about other things. Once we can link the loss of economic prosperity with mass immigration, public opinion will change.

As for religion, I want you to know that I am not a belieiving Christian but an agnostic. I don’t go to church, I don’t pray. And I am left with little choice given what the Church of England has become.

I do not loathe Muslims as people. I know some very fine people who are Muslims. But what I am completely opposed to is religious extremism which seems very common to the Islamic world.

But anyway, if we can agree that the West ought to remain white, then we have agreement and no quarrels. Your religious beliefs are of no concern to me so long as they aren’t trasplated into Europe and our way of life is not sought to be changed to Islamic ways (a process that has picked up pace in the last decade or so).

Posted by AD on April 17, 2006, 11:48 AM | #

I’m not anti-islam. I have no problem with it until its adherents effect my people in my society. That’s what this thread is about.....the bad effects of multiculturalism: we can’t live together in the same society in peace. Beyond that, i have no interest in getting involved in the affairs of other nations or peoples.

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 12:07 PM | #

I’m not anti-islam. I have no problem with it until its adherents effect my people in my society. That’s what this thread is about.....the bad effects of multiculturalism: we can’t live together in the same society in peace. Beyond that, i have no interest in getting involved in the affairs of other nations or peoples.

Agree 100%

Posted by Zam Zam on April 17, 2006, 12:56 PM | #

Yes,you are correct.Why the whites society in the west should bother about Muslims country running their own affairs.You may criticize as long you westerners believe in freedom of speech.But criticize in positive way and not in attacking Islam as you like cause it cause no sense to argue what we did not know really about.I do agree European & Americas culture and way of life if it is suitable for them for many generations,let them be as they are.Yes,multiculturalism seems to be bad to certain people.To the muslims in Australia,i think just admit you did cause the riots in dec,2005 and nobody even the neo nazis want to confront any bloodshed with you.I think muslims in Australia those who proven criminals,it is right of the whites lead government to deport you or had you been shot.And also if any whites come to muslim country if they violate any law,then similar actions will be taken.Lets see Iraq as example.No whites American really want this war with Iraqi if not by the instigated of the ZOG in Washington DC.And what happen after 3 years,muslims kill,USA soldiers kill,and then what?It is the ZIONIST who laugh at the expense of muslims & whites blood.Am i correct?

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 01:46 PM | #

It is the ZIONIST who laugh at the expense of muslims & whites blood.Am i correct?

I won’t start bashing Zionists and Jews but I will say this: if it were up to the people who run this blog, we wouldn’t have any involvement in the Middle East, period.

I do not see why British and American governments have to get themselves entanged in the internal affairs of Muslim states. If the Iranians have a nutty President, that’s their problem - so long as Iran does not threaten our national security.

I am completely opposed to starting wars for spreading so-called “democracy”. If you go through the archives under the title “War on Terror”, there are numerous entries criticising the war in Iraq. We shouldn’t be there. Period. 

I hope you weren’t mistaken into thinking this is a mainstream conservative blog full of Bush supporters. Almost everyone here hates Bush and Blair (for varied reasons).

Posted by Zam Zam on April 17, 2006, 02:28 PM | #

I told you,look for David Duke website and listen to audio interview with arab journalist.Forget Islam for a moment.Forget white supremacists for a moment.Just listen to David Duke for 1 hours and you can judge yourself.Maybe many Americans claim Duke is ex-kkk and so on.But his view about the ZIONIST cannot be denied.George Bush & Blair is just a pawn of the ZIONIST.Why you keep defending the ZIONIST cause i think you know yourself their historical background & who always claim to be master race of the universe.USA are threaten political,economic,media & so on by the criminal zionists.Look at entertainment industry that is owed by the USA zionist.Blacks are always the victims of white racism,arabs are always the terrorist,indians are the victims of white USA expansion,removal and so on.And who is the master propoganda if not ZIONIST control hollywood.

Posted by EV, EF, ER on April 17, 2006, 02:45 PM | #

We’ve got no fight with Arabs and Muslims, other than that we don’t want them in our society. And that’s a matter to be settled with the gate-openers.

Posted by J Richards on April 17, 2006, 07:10 PM | #

To the Muslims who have posted here,

Islam allows Muslims men to rape women that their right hand possesses (slaves) and thereby justifies the rape of non-Muslim women in many scenarios.  Prophet Mohammed had a huge number of wives and concubines, and the holy Prophet Mohammed had sex with a pre-pubescent girl.  Does this not meet the definition of a sexual pervert? 

You are deluded about the sexuality of whites.  Most whites are sexually moral people, but there is greater tolerance in Western societies, which allows greater freedom to the sexually immoral to indulge their passions.  On the other hand, your low intelligence and ignorance make you extrapolate the behavior of prostitutes in pornographic movies to white women in general!  The status of women in Islam is abysmal, and Islam is a disgrace to civilization by virtue of its intolerance and violence, among other things.

Posted by Steve Edwards on April 17, 2006, 08:47 PM | #

I am having trouble comprehending Zam Zam’s comments, but he seems to be more or less on the right track.
Zam Zam - which country are you from?

Posted by JB on April 17, 2006, 09:26 PM | #

“In islam, rape is criminal .... (blablabla)”

We don’t have a religion problem we have a race problem. The author, Fjordman, is somewhat of a pro-war pro-Bush naive swede. He always blames muslims and islam but surely he knows that religion doesn’t explain everything as showed by those pictures from France.

Posted by Guessedworker on April 17, 2006, 10:00 PM | #

I am indebted to Michael R for sending me Fjordman’s article in

When enough people feel that the system is no longer working and that the social contract has been breached, the entire fabric of democratic society could unravel. What happens when the welfare state system breaks down, and there is no longer enough money to “grease” the increasing tensions between immigrants and native Europeans? And what happens when people discover that their own leaders, through the EU networks and the Euro-Arab Dialogue described by Bat Ye’or in her book “Eurabia,” have been encouraging all these Muslims to settle here in the first place? There will be massive unemployment, and tens of millions of people will feel angry, scared and humiliated, betrayed by the system, by society and by their own democratic leaders. This is a situation in some ways similar to the Great Depression that led to the rise of the Nazis in the 1930s. Is this where we are heading once again, with fear, rising Fascism and political assassinations? The difference is that the “Jewish threat” in the 1930s was entirely fictional, whereas the “Islamic threat” now is very real. However, it is precisely the trauma caused by the events of 70 years ago that is clouding our judgement this time, since any talk at all about the threat posed by Muslim immigration or about preserving our own culture is being dismissed as “the same rhetoric as the Nazis used against the Jews.” Europeans have been taught to be so scared of our own shadows that we are incapable of seeing that darkness can come from the outside, too. Maybe Europe will burn again, in part as a belated reaction to the horrors of Auschwitz.

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 10:49 PM | #

Well Fjordman is probably a liberal who has begun his journey rightwards. He needs to keep questioning his beliefs and he will eventually (like the rest of us) find himself where we are now.

But it won’t happen quickly even though he is an obviously intelligent man. De-toxifying the liberal mind is a very difficult business and it is time consuming. His mind still needs a great deal of de-toxification. He is still a liberal at heart, albeit a disillusioned one.

But as he has begun his journey, he must now complete it.

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 10:52 PM | #

The difference is that the “Jewish threat” in the 1930s was entirely fictional, whereas the “Islamic threat” now is very real.

Whether there was a “Jewish threat” or not, there was certainly a Bolshevik threat hovering all over Europe which even had Winston Churchill singing praises for Mussolini.

The 1930s movements were not creations of a hallucinating people. There was a very real threat (which right or wongly was linked to the Jews as a people) to which people responded.

Posted by Andrew on April 18, 2006, 03:32 AM | #

Zam Zam , said he is Malayan, which is an exellent point in fact, perhaps Zam can explain to us what national socialism is?
Considering that in the last twelve months, the Malayan Government has instituted full on National socialist laws, perhaps Zam can explain what racism is? And what happens if people, although Asian, but not Malayan Nationals, what happens to them now, and then consider that Malayan Government has also introduced strict religious definitions, that on par to the Wahabbi sect; Saudi Arabia. Banning publications of the Bible know doubt.
Best read Frederic’s post further on up the commentary, and that is the commonality with Islamic philosophical approach. Pantheistic Leftism. See Spinoza.
Sounds like full on National Socialism to me, with a Muhammadian twist: and then consider by Zams definition of Zionist, Well there are about 1 and a Half Billion running around in China-Tibet, and maybe Taiwan. National socialists and Communist do not really see eye to eye and Zam Zam is a lot closer to the action than we will ever be.
When he explains what the Government has instituted in Malaya, who knows, he might even gain a fan club.

Posted by Al Ross on April 18, 2006, 05:17 AM | #

Malaysia’s uniquely race-based politics are ‘sui generis’.

In view of the large number of Chinese in the country, perhaps that should be’ chop sui generis’.

Posted by Guessedworker on April 18, 2006, 07:28 AM | #

Too good, Al.  Can’t top that one.

Well, if Fjordman is “somewhat pro-war pro-Bush” and can’t see race, perhaps we should ask if his ethnicity is indeed wholly Swedish.

There seems to be a category of writer, often but not always with access to the mainstream, who is able to write part of the story - even sometimes most of it - but never quite the logical whole.  The missing element, usually, is the perfect right of European people to restore their homelands to themselves, and to live thereafter in peace as they please.

The easiest way for a writer to evade this logical end-product of all the rest of it, is to fail to see race.  They substitute words like “immigration” (especially if it is “illegal") and “Islam” instead.  These are still important words, but they are not the same.

In some instances, as with Rob Liddell and Anthony Browne, it might simply be that these writers are liberals, recovering or otherwise.  In others, like Larry Auster, Dr Anthony Daniels and Mark Steyn, it might be that a competing ethnic loyalty effects a kind of mentis interruptus.

The acid test as to which category a given writer belongs to is his attitude to the WoT and brave lil Israel, if no other obvious marker is available.

Posted by Daud Kadir on April 18, 2006, 01:39 PM | #

Women in the west is pervert mentality society.When they are born normal,most of them lost their virginity or commit incest within their family structure.Whether they are christian or atheist,they are train to be wild by their fantasy culture before they reach adulthood.Hardly any of them know how to manage home,children or to cook before the get married.Then they want to do all the male sports.Then with all the porno industry keep looking for new faces,they are the majority to offer themselves without any hesitation cause the good money been offer.Unlike muslim women,even they are involve in bizarre sex,they knew their limitation.Women in the west always demand so many rights like lesbo,feminism and so on.I think women in the west should not hold many profesional field cause their womanhood is now almost to the destructions.Leave the profesional field entirely at men hand.And there is no such things as rape permitted in Islam.Women in the west no need to look for muslims men as perpetrator.Most western women unfortunately white skin whether married or divorce will look for a black male to satisfy their sexual need.Why?I leave that to you.And that is the philosophy they are going to pass to their daughter.They are many whites muslim in Turkey or Arab country but we never call them whites.Not many of them are rape by muslims male annually.

Posted by Al Ross on April 18, 2006, 01:49 PM | #

Any Far East expat who has visited the flesh pots of Jakarta’s Block M, can expatiate for hours on the merits of Muslim whores.

Many Muslim women enter the oldest profession because their low-IQ ‘mamma’s-boy’ husbands divorce them for the most trivial and spurious pretexts.

Posted by Abdul Mustafe on April 18, 2006, 02:29 PM | #

I agree with Daud Kadir completely.For those atheists fool who say Islam permits rape,well i think look at your own society.You say most whites are sexually moral but allow sexual immoral to indulge their passions.That is the proof that sexual pervert are encourage in the western world.Then those no hoppers whites are concern about race mixing,low child birth among whites,heritage and so on.Your govt agency in USA can’t even stop millions of Mexican crossing illegally in your border,not to say since the civil rights act in 1965,whites power had reduced,now you are looking for muslims to be spacegoat at your social problem.Whites are only roughly 8% of world pop.No muslims really want to occupied Europe or America actually.Of course the crusaders war still haunted the modern whites mind nowadays.The only land muslims want is the asian zone of Russia.To occupied Europe or USA is worthless effort.Russia is a large continent with only 160m people.And even Russian millitary might cannot defeat muslim of turks of caucasius region permanently.Cause all Russian European had no historical rights to that territory.Just like the afrikaner in SA,i think they should be expel completely cause they had enough wealth since the last 4 century.Now it is the time for blacks & asians to take control every single inch of land for themselves.Not prejudice.But fair and square since the whites of Europe & USA are preaching day and night to expel non whites,blacks,muslim and asian from their ancestors soil.

Posted by Al Ross on April 18, 2006, 02:57 PM | #

“I agree with Daud Kadir completely” is proof of the Latin tag, ‘Asinus Asinum Fricat’.

Muslims are flatulently inflated with their false religiosity which serves as a substitute for intelligence and provides them with the fantasy of imagined moral superiority.

Posted by Phil Peterson on April 18, 2006, 08:11 PM | #

I am delighted that we have had so many Muslims and Arab Muslims at that who have commented here. The allegation that white women are “whores” chimes in with what we have said all along: these barbarians don’t belong in OUR civilized society.

So all you enlightened devotees of Allah, go back to buggering little boys and blowing up buses and traisn with suicide bombs. With every such incident you are winning more support for us in the West. Good on you, I say.

Posted by Guessedworker on April 18, 2006, 08:50 PM | #

If morality is such a big deal in Islamoland what do these guys want with 72 virgins in paradise?

Posted by Al Ross on April 19, 2006, 01:50 AM | #

Phil.

I think that pitching Allah-jabber to the low-average IQ Third World Muslim dolts is made much easier if the dupes believe that they are going to experience the lubricious adolescent fantasy of 72 virgins in ‘paradise’. Also because the pedophile propagator of Islam understood his fellow Arabs well, boys are also available in ‘heaven’, as is wine. Bottoms up!