Never a truer word

Posted by John Ray on May 02, 2006, 12:17 PM | #

Who would have thought that David would one day be quoting Pravda?

Posted by Geoff Beck on May 02, 2006, 01:59 PM | #

The author is describing the reality in America. It didn’t have to happen. It was not inevitable. But here we are.

Now, what do we do?

I say,

1) abandon universalitic Rights dogma

2) establish a nation whose identity is based upon race

3) a nation with a strong understanding of in-group/out-group distinction.

Internally, we can debate economics, religion, and trade. But these two principles must be held firm.

Now, lest Russians and Europeans become too smug,

Posted by Geoff Beck on May 02, 2006, 02:00 PM | #

Now, lest Russians and Europeans become too smug, ... we are all in the same boat.

Posted by Guessedworker on May 02, 2006, 02:47 PM | #

John: Who would have thought that David would one day be quoting Pravda?

Indeed.  The changes we have seen in our lifetimes are quite staggering.  But as Stojgniev O’Donnell observes, there are powerful similarities between the political systems of the Soviet Union and America.  They are/were both expressions of liberalism, and both endeavouring to free Man from Nature and tradition and into his own hands.

Furthermore, as O’Donnell asserts, Marxism-Leninism was a Jewish-influenced system.  But advanced liberalism, being culturally Marxist, is also Jewish-influenced.  That which belongs to Western Man - that sacred totality which is comprised of his nature, his faith, his culture, his heritage and his birthright to his own homelands - is disregarded as absolutely by advanced liberalism as ever it was by Marxism-Leninism.

The totalitarianism is soft today, but it is no less real.  The fact that we will be allowed to die in our beds rather than in a salt mine does not change that very much.  We will go not just, to quote Shakespeare, “Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything” but sans culture, sans identity, sans home, which really is everything.

Unless, of course, we can get rid of liberalism first.

Posted by Desmond jones on May 02, 2006, 06:02 PM | #

This would also be true if Slavs attempted to adopt the framework of limited government of American Anglo/Celts prior to 1861 and even without decades of Marxist bureaucratic rule. Russians evolved a culture with tendencies toward government centralization if only to survive invading Mongol hordes.

America may decline, however, to project that decline based on a Slavic cultural/genetic rejection of transplanted western values is weak at best. Russian per capita murder rates are higher than black Americans. Chinese immigration is a greater threat to Russia’s eastern territories than Hispanic immigration to the US based on IQ alone. Russian abortion rates rival black American rates.

Even if liberalism were to disappear tomorrow, the fact still remains that Slavs have not evolved a culture that is compatible with limited government.

Posted by Geoff Beck on May 02, 2006, 08:16 PM | #

> the fact still remains that Slavs have not evolved a culture that is compatible with limited government.

That’s interesting, seems true for Russia, to some degree under the Tsars before 1917 and certainly after 1917.

Of course life under the Tsars was more fuedal in orientation, so it doesn’t quite match up with with modern Europe.

Also, most Slavic peoples were under Ottoman rule for centuries, so considering those facts can we speculate that much about the Slavs?

It seems short sided to cast them off like that.

Posted by karlmagnus on May 02, 2006, 09:01 PM | #

As my dear Bulgarian wife (ZERO percent Jewish, the Jewish one is an ex-) is fond of saying, the Russians are genetically attuned to oppression and cruelty.  Geoff, if you can make these generalisations about the Jews, you can make them about Slavs, too.  While I certainly accept that Western culture is decadent, it would behoove any Russian to try to explain what Russian civilisation has produced beyond more refined forms of gulag before slagging it off.  Western European Enlightenment culture is the answer, my friend, not Russian, latin American, Jewish and certainly not modern US/British pop culture.

Posted by Phil Peterson on May 02, 2006, 09:25 PM | #

While I certainly accept that Western culture is decadent, it would behoove any Russian to try to explain what Russian civilisation has produced beyond more refined forms of gulag before slagging it off.

Tolstoy, Tchaikovsky (to name two off the top of my head) - the list is long.

Despotism does not automatically equal cultural oblivion. Despotic regimes in Europe in the Middle Ages produced better works of Art than anything our vaunted “Free Society” has managed. 

In Munich, when I was at the Music school to listen to the students play Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert, the largest contingent of students (apart from the Germans) was of Russians. 

Geoff, if you can make these generalisations about the Jews, you can make them about Slavs, too.

One can generalise about every people to some extent (and with reasonable accuracy). For example, all the Germans I know are cleanliness fanatics.

While I certainly accept that Western culture is decadent

Our entertainments have sunk so low that even Alexis de Tocqueville would be astonished.

Posted by Phil Peterson on May 02, 2006, 09:31 PM | #

Western European Enlightenment culture is the answer, my friend, not Russian, latin American, Jewish and certainly not modern US/British pop culture.

Our decadent culture is a product of the enlightenment.

Posted by Geoff Beck on May 02, 2006, 10:42 PM | #

> Geoff, if you can make these generalisations about the Jews, you can make them about Slavs, too. 

I didn’t argue with Desmond’s position, he’s right. The Slavs haven’t developed a limited gov’t society. But I think there are are good reasons - besides parasitism - to explain it.

Posted by Matra on May 03, 2006, 12:01 AM | #

the fact still remains that Slavs have not evolved a culture that is compatible with limited government.

The Czechs? Liberalism seems more present in their history than any other Slav nation. They’ve been under non-Slavic foreign rule for much of their history and unlike any other Slavic group I’m aware of have had a significant Protestant community. Today they and the Slovaks have more laissez faire policies than most other European countries. There are only 10 million Czechs so they are a very small minority within the Slavic world.

Posted by karlmagnus on May 03, 2006, 12:42 AM | #

No our culture isn’t a product of the Enlightenment, it’s a product of the French and American Revolutions, the appalling Whigs, the Romantic era and the socialism that followed.  The Enlightenment produced Mozart and Dr. Johnson.

Posted by Phil Peterson on May 03, 2006, 07:09 PM | #

No our culture isn’t a product of the Enlightenment, it’s a product of the French and American Revolutions

Those revolutions were themselves a product of the enlightenment.

Posted by Top on May 05, 2006, 04:35 AM | #

Let’s keep in mind that it is Western Europeans who are leading the way towards race replacement of themselves in the world.  Whatever faults the Slavs may have - and just like everyone else they have many - they are not the leading players in the race raplacement evil game.  I can only see this variable right now and no other.  Forgive me for being blind, but if my house is on fire then I want to put the fire out before worrying about the foundations or how leak-proof the roof is.  It is West europeans who are setting the house on fire.  This truth needs to be acknowledged before any progress can be made.  Heck, in genetic terms Africa is doing WAY better than the western Europeans - let’s forget the slvas.  Would anyone like to dispute that?  Is this not the one forum where this truth can be acknowledged?

Posted by Desmond Jones on May 05, 2006, 06:28 AM | #

Let’s also keep in mind that Eastern Europeans are one of the many benefactors of this Western European race replacement bonanza (Adam, Hoss & Little Joe ). It is also worth considering that high levels of Eastern European immigration is not all that beneficial. In fact some of it can be downright nasty.

It’s just a bit rich to see the author blame all of Russia’s woes on the evil Anglo-Americans. They must also be at fault for the ethnic Russian’s loss of faith, drunkeness, ill-habits, violence, suicide, traffic accidents, and short life span. Thankfully there are still some real Russians about who know what the problems are and are turning to traditional Russian solutions it would appear.

Russia for Russians, Germany for the Germans, France for the French, England for the English...etc...etc...etc.

Posted by Top on May 06, 2006, 09:41 PM | #

Desmond, I disagree with both your points.  While some East Europeans may benefit by Western European race replacement by having more options to live, the cons far outwrigh the pros in this case.  Eastern Europe has a shrinking population with muslim and far east population masses just waiting take over through accelarated population transfers.  The only defence against this onslaught is a healthy dose of racial prejudice.  And who will pose the greatest danger to East Europenas when they adopt this stance?  Who will be there to intervene and restore ‘human rights’?  Who will be there impose sanctions, inject anti-slavic organizations, finance their enemies, and nuclearly blackmail them?  Whose foreign minister said there is no place for ethnically pure states??  Whose organizations right now - ex. Soros - is spreading some of the biggest filth on earth in Eastern Europe?  Think about it.  The heavily-influenced-by-jews US is the greatest present danger to East Europeans because it will not allow them to adopt any healthy defences to their problems - which they have many, no one is disputing that. 

As for the article - from reading the whole thing I cannot see how or where the author is blaming the West for Russia’s problems.  All he is saying is that the cultural and political positions the West has adopted are not right for Russia - and by extension for anyone else.  The author is critizing western politics and culture, he is not ‘blaming’ anyone.  The article is probably written by a west european who like many others is so disgusted by the current state of affairs that he is venting from a land far away. I think what he saying in the article is pretty much the same thing that any sane patriot would say.  But alas these are not sane times in the West....