This is bothering me: I used the phrase “practice what he preaches” in consectutive sentences, making me sound like an idiot. I vow to proofread my posts from now on before submitting them.

The name Susan Silverman rings a bell for those who have read the formulaic and ultra-PC detective novels of Robert B Parker. Needless to say, the hero, Spenser, has a Black ‘best-buddy’ (Hawk), and the above named Jewess for a girlfriend, thus making the Parker novels amusing for their irony value and little else.

"American Jewish leaders complain that the outmarriage rate is close to 50%.”

They’re lying, Alexei.

Do people here need more evidence that Sailer is a turd?  Steve, if you are reading: you’re a turd. 

Three brief comments on this book (which Sailer, who, by the way, previously cited miscegenation as the solution for racial problems):

1. One can quote J Richards’ dissection of the Gillian Rhodes study, as well as the subjectiveness of “attractiveness.” This latter point is underscored by the cover picture of this book - is that supposed to be an example of an “attractive” mongrel?” The woman is, by my standards, incredibly grotesque - I can see black women who are better looking, and that’s not saying much.  Please.  Then there is that other example of “inter-racial beauty” - Devon Aoki - who to my eyes looks like a distorted space alien. 

2. Richard Udry’s article (discussed by J Richards on MR) plainly shows that mixed race children and adolescents have more, not less, physical and mental problems.  Are Hispanics or African-Americans healthier than white Americans, even when controlling for income, etc?  No, they are not.  There is in fact NO hard evidence that broad race-mixing enhances health.

3. I seem to doubt that any of these analyses actually try to “balance the books” and look at the potential negatives of race mixing: the immense damage to parental kinship and EGI, the disruption of (in some cases practically useful and/or aesthetic) combinations of gene frequencies, the fact of having children phenotypically distinct from parents/grandparents, dilution of culture, and the demographic effects on a race (whites) who are suffering from displacement migration and low birthrates.

Do the illusory benefits compensate for these negatives?  The effects on genetic relatedness have to come first and foremost.  In the case of European-African mating, the offspring would be relatively less related to each parent than to a random co-ethnic!  In the case of a mating between Europeans and East Asians (or Amerindians, as the case is with the origin of many Hispanic groups), the grandparents would be less related to the grandchildren than to a random co-ethnic (as per the genetic data and Harpendings’ formulae).

And that doesn’t even consider the further question - not covered by Salter - about genetic structure, which may well amplify these negative effects to a large degree.  Why is this ignored?

By the way, the lead story in this month’s AR (which is only Part I of two) is a searing indictiment of the stupidity of citizenism, given its implications.  But, then, we always *knew* citizenism was stupid, after all, look its originator.

Alexei - the issue of Jewish intermarriage is one that I commented on *twice* on this blog, giving links, statistics, and a formula for calculating relative assimilation.  Even IF the Jewish intermarriage rate is ~50%, that is still indicative of a resistance to intermarriage, given the relative proportions of Jews/Gentiles in the population, and, adjusted for population, is much less than white gentile ethnic groups in America.

Another point: most Jewish intermarriage is with (higher-class) white gentiles, not with non-Caucasian peoples.  Thus, Jews encourage, for example, white-black mating, while resisting intermarriage themselves, and, when they do intermarry, it is with the more intelligent and attractive representatives of the same broad race to which they belong.

That’s the point.

And a point made here before: if Sailer’s ‘anti-racist’ buddies believe that ‘most genetic variation is within, not between, groups’, then it would seem that ‘hybrid vigor’ would be best achieved by intra-racial rather than inter-racial mating.

After all, gee, isn’t that 85% of the variation more than the 15%?

However, if, in order to promote miscegenation, they admit that - random gene sharing aside - the major genetic variation is between racial groups, then the concepts of ethnic genetic interests and parental kinship come to the fore.

They cannot have it both ways: stressing intra-group variation when they want to delegitimize race, and then stressing inter-group variation when they want to invoke some mythical ‘hybrid vigor’ for the admixed.

From Ziv’s website:

“ * After 18 holes, Tiger Woods probably smells better than his competitors.”

JW: “Probably.” Very scientific.  Even if true (is Ziv planning to sniff Tiger?), the importance of this is...?

“* Julia Roberts was more likely to have an orgasm with Benjamin Bratt than with Lyle Lovett.”

JW: “More likely.” Very scientific.  How about this - it is “more likely” for a Jewish ‘scientist’ to twist scientific data, and ignore genetic kinship, to promote miscgenation, than it a gentile scientist.

“* Odds are, Lenny Kravitz lost his virginity earlier than most rock stars.”

JW: “Odds are.” Very scientific.  “Odds are” that Ziv approves of inter-racial marriage (for *us*, not *them*), and wrote his “book” with that a priori agenda.

“These bizarre, sensational statements sound like they were ripped from the headlines of The National Enquirer, but they are grounded in solid scientific research.”

Really?  Tell that to Udry.

“What do Tiger Woods, Benjamin Bratt, and Lenny Kravitz have in common? Their interracial heritage. This mixed ancestry gives them better genes and stronger, healthier, better-looking bodies.”

Evidence?  What is the evidence that those individuals actually have “better genes?” That they are “stronger” than the average person in their own field?  Healthier?  That they are considered “better-looking?” Propaganda aside, would women consider Woods “better-looking” than white golfers of similar age?  Is Bratt considered better-looking than Pitt?  How many women would swoon over Lenny Kravitz, compared to white musicians of the same age and status?

Liar.

However, given Ziv’s ancestry, “liar” may be redundant.

"Sailer is a clown for promoting this.”

Unfortunately, he is not a clown, but a more dangerously anti-white specimen.

Some here think that Sailer’s anti-whitism is just “squik-ink” to cover his race-realism; I think the opposite, like his buddies at GNXP, Sailer’s race-realism is the “squid-ink” to cover his multiracialist agenda.

The Ethiopian ‘Jews’ in Israel present an excellent opportunity to improve the Jewish stock there, as do the Arabs living in Israel, as well as the Asian guest workers (conversion can take care of any religious difficulties and, anyway, many Israelis are secular, so, I’m so sure they won’t mind) there.  What is needed is to have every Ethiopian paired off with an Ashkenazi, and to have the Jewish population physically assimilate through intermarriage (which would need to be legalized because, for some reason, it is currently not legal) the Arab and guest worker population.  Hybrid vigor would boost the quality of the Jewish Israeli population.  In order to improve numbers, Israel could give tax breaks – using American taxpayers’ money of course – to inter-racial couples to have more children.

In America, miscegenation holds the key to a) improve the genetic quality of the Jewish population, b) reverse Jewish demographic decline, c) fix the broken Jewish-black consensus, while reaching out to other people of color, and d) stopping the black drift toward Islam.  Thus, what America’s Jews should do is:
1) mass conversion of large numbers of black, Hispanic, and Asian Americans, and
2) thorough intermarriage to these new converts, until the typical Jewish man in America resembles Tiger Woods wearing a yarmulke

Only a vicious and hateful anti-Semite would wish to deprive the Jewish people of the same genetic improvement that Mr. Ziv encourages for us.  Indeed, since John Ray and Lawrence Auster both tell us that anti-Semitism is an unalloyed evil, we here at Majority Rights need to help the Jewish people and do everything we can do promote racial admixture – and the resulting hybrid vigor – between Jews and people of color.

It is the right thing to do.

The brow ridges can be seen in the full picture from the book’s cover.

And I can note she is prognathous as well, with a forward-thrusting jaw, to go with the thick lips and shapeless, grotesque nose.

Gee, now, isn’t that every normal white person’s dream of an “attractive” and “healthy” daughter or granddaughter?

can we have a phenotypic analysis please?

she looks like a female Vin Diesel

Alon Ziv will give a speech at Dutton’s Beverly Hills this coming Saturday Aug 26 at 7:00 pm

“The author signs, presents and reads from his new book, Breeding Between the Lines: Why Interracial People are Healthier and More Attractive, at a champagne reception and discussion.”

447 N. Canon Dr., Beverly Hills, (310) 281-0997

http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=447+N+Canon+Dr,+Beverly+Hills,+CA+90210

It is pretty amazing that someone would choose that cover girl to advertise the book.  It calls to mind Yggdrasil’s review of the movie A Clockwork Orange:

http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12032&goto=nextoldest

How about you go preach your anti-White propaganda to the Jews first and when we see them fall for it (yeah right), then we’ll consider looking at it.

“I’m the author of Breeding Between the Lines Given the multiple anti-semetic (sic) comments I’m probably wasting my time posting here”

First set the stage by dismissing us as “anti-Semites”, so as to avoid dealing with the fact that you are promoting genocide and that your “facts” are ass-backwards.  By the way, I hope your book was spell-checked by a competent editor, since you obviously are incapable of spelling at a high-school level.

“ but a received an email tipping me off to this thread so I thought I’d chime in.”

Gee, I wonder who it was who tipped you off?  Citizen Lerch or Brown Sahib?

“You’ll be happy to hear that I address many of your concerns in the book.”

I doubt that.  I doubt you actually understand, or care, what the concerns are.

“I encourage you to read it before you bash it.”

Sure, the next time I’m in a bookstore, and am in the mood to read trash, I’ll look through a copy.  Don’t think I’m going to spend money and actually buy your promotion of genocide.  I look forward to seeing “Salter, Frank” listed in your index.

“Specifically:

1.I do discuss IQ and take a look at why it is consistently rising (the Flynn effect).”

First, unlike most here, I am relatively unconcerned about IQ.  A people’s worth to itself is not measured by someone’s ranking of their phenotype on a hierarchical scale.  However, since IQ is of some importance I may note that: a) The Flynn effect, whatever its cause, is leveling off, and b) the Flynn effect is observed in the absence of inter-continental miscegenation.  Further, as has been discussed on this site before, I fail to see how mixing is going to raise the IQ of the white population, since the only groups with higher average IQ are Jews and Asians – Jews being too few in number to appreciably alter white IQ, and the difference between white and Asian IQ is so small one would need complete panmixia to raise the IQ of the resulting Eurasian mongrel population to a degree that is a fraction of one SD.  Not quite worth genocide, I think, particularly since Asians have proved, despite their high average IQ, incapable of the same creativity as Europeans.  With respect to the idea that outbreeding per se, in general, can raise intelligence, inter-continental mating is not necessary.

“2.  I do discuss Jews and the the (sic) fact that historically their intermarriage numbers are very low.  Many here have been quick to call me a hypocrite, but I encourage intermarriage among all groups.”

Let us know when you lecture Jews in America and Israel to intermarry with colored peoples.  I await their response.  Elliot Abrams in particular should appreciate that.  You may “encourage intermarriage among all groups”, but the practical point is, only some groups are vulnerable to the effects of miscegenation.  Since it is only western societies that have become multiracial, the encouragement of intermarriage is genocidal to those peoples.  China, Japan, Africa, etc. will remain the same as always.  The more ethnocentric of Jews will remain as always.  The promotion of intermarriage will be destructive only to those peoples who no longer live in homogenous homelands and who are exposed to alien peoples with whom admixture is possible.  And we know who those are.  But, hey, if you are sincere, get Israel to change their “law of return”, get them to legalize Jewish-gentile marriages, and get them to stop making guest workers sign pledges not to have sex with Israelis.  Get to work, Ziv.  Why proselytize to the already-converted?

Further, I find it interesting that a person who writes a book about the alleged advantages of intermarriage, states that he encourages such intermarriage.  Scientifically disinterested?  Of course, Ziv the liar will tell us that first he discovered the great advantages of intermarriage, and then, and only then, did he become an advocate for such admixture.  Forgive me for suspecting that first came the commitment to promote admixture and then came the distorting and obfuscating attempts to justify it.

“3. Increasing parental-kinship is only one goal of evolution.”

Evolution has a goal?  What kind of “scientist” are you?  Evolution has no “goals”, moron, it is a non-anthropomorphic process. However, people may have goals, and the pursuit of adaptive behavior, in promoting genetic interests and racial preservation, are worthy goals.  Promoting genocide, as is *your* agenda, is an unworthy goal, and has already been designated as a “crime against humanity” by international tribunals.

“There are others that are equally important.”

Sure.  If you are a hate-filled Middle Easterner, burning with the urge to mongrelize the European peoples out of existence, certainly other goals are important, as you so demonstrate.

“Cloning would allow for 100% transfer of your genes to the next generation, but sexual reproduction evolved because the genetic variation it provides is incredibly powerful.”

In case you haven’t noticed, intra-ethnic, intra-racial endogamous matings are also performed by sexual reproduction, and hence derive the same benefits from recombination as do exogamous mating.  The people of Korea do not reproduce by asexual fission.  The fact that sexual reproduction and a certain amount of genetic variation are adaptive does not logically imply that ever greater amounts of genetic variation, and ever greater disruption of co-evolved gene complexes are adaptive as well.  That is an argument that only the mendacious, or stupid, would make.  Which one is it, Ziv?  And, by the way, have you noticed that speciation, including behavioral barriers to mating between related, and cross-fertile, subspecies (and, in some cases, species) is also part of “evolution’s goals”, and this “goal” of evolution (as you so crudely put it) is ill-served by mixing between the subspecies.

In other words, the existence of sexual reproduction does not in any way, shape, or form implies that crossings between subspecies are always adaptive. 

“If parental-kinship were our only concern than your ideal mate would be your sibling or your parent.”

Strawman alert!  Who is advocating incest, idiot?  Obviously, many animals (including humans) have evolved restraints against incest because of the maladaptive consequences. 

However, there is – and I assume even you have the cognitive ability to recognize this – a big difference between incest and someone marrying an unrelated co-ethnic, or, as happens in America, cross-ethnic breeding within the same continental race.  It is not an “either/or” thing – it is not “maximize parental kinship at all costs, even incest and recessive genetic disorders.” It is to maximize parental kinship to the degree practically possible and desirable, and to avoid unnecessary damage to parental kinship and genetic interests, damage most often observed with mating across continental races.  There is sufficient genetic variation within (the larger) European ethnic groups, and, for sure, among the multi-ethnic European-American population, to safely avoid problems with inbreeding.  The choice is not “marry my sister or marry the African swinging from the nearest tree”, but a choice between marrying unrelated co-ethnics or co-racials of a different, but relatively closely related ethnicity, and marrying someone of different race – the latter choice having devastating effects on kinship and genetic interests, and disruptive of the gene complexes and resultant phenotypes that characterize parents, their families, and their ethnies.  And, for what?  To smell as good as Tiger Woods on the golf course?  Want to help people with inbreeding problems?  Encourage Ashkenazi Jews to marry Africans and African-Americans, that’ll decrease the genetic load in no time. Persons of European descent do not require such “assistance.”

Just because *your* Ashkenazi ancestors inbred at the most intimate levels (including uncle-niece marriages) does not imply that other groups manifest the same array of disturbing recessive genetic disorders. 

“Which I don’t think you’re advocating.”

Strawman alert!  On the other hand, I do know what you are advocating.

“Read the book; make up your own mind.”

My mind is made up that you are guilty of promoting genocide, and, by any objective standard, the crime committed by this book is worse than what Julius Streicher was hanged for at Nuremburg.  I hope that at some point in the future, legally convened tribunals – acting on the premise of “universal nationalism”- will hold trials of those who have attempted the destruction of mankind’s genetic diversity.

By the way, who made the choice of the incredibly grotesque, shockingly unattractive, Vin Diesel-in-drag cover model for the book, and what unholy mixture of ethnicities created such a dismal specimen?

Btw, Mr. Ziv, I commend you on actually showing up here and replying, rather than pretending you’re “above it all” as seems to be the usual behavior (not that everyone’s heard of MR, mind you :) ).

On Holliday...I do believe you just kicked ass.

Read the book; make up your own mind.

Alon Ziv

Mr. Ziv-- this is your publisher’s teaser for your book:

* After 18 holes, Tiger Woods probably smells better than his competitors.

* Julia Roberts was more likely to have an orgasm with Benjamin Bratt than with Lyle Lovett.

* Odds are, Lenny Kravitz lost his virginity earlier than most rock stars.

These bizarre, sensational statements sound like they were ripped from the headlines of The National Enquirer, but they are grounded in solid scientific research. What do Tiger Woods, Benjamin Bratt, and Lenny Kravitz have in common? Their interracial heritage. This mixed ancestry gives them better genes and stronger, healthier, better-looking bodies.

Serious, scholarly works are not promoted in this manner.  This sounds like an advertisement designed to appeal to the people who buy celebrity-obsessed tabloids like Us Weekly or People.  Your novel sounds like sensationalistic, tabloid-esque trash.

And what do you say to Sailer:

On the other hand, I’m not fully convinced by the evidence for much additional hybrid vigor from marrying intercontinentally. Clearly, if all your ancestors came from one little valley up in the mountains, you’d be well advised to marry somebody from outside the valley. Still, it’s not clear that marrying somebody from the other side of the ocean adds much hybrid vigor over marrying somebody from a couple of valleys away. Interracial marriage is a sure way to eliminate inbreeding in your offspring, but I’m not sure that significant inbred depression is much of a problem in American life these days.

You seem to confuse intraracial breeding with inbreeding, a devastating error that would greatly undermine your entire thesis.  So, in conclusion: I have determined that your book is a sensationalistic, tabloid-esque work that makes a massive fundamental error in logic.  I won’t be purchasing a copy.

In other threads regarding the evolution of beauty I’ve asked if there is an objective measure of beauty upon which to ground arguments.

I’ve received no adequate answer so let me propose one:

The price commanded by hookers and/or the wealth of husbands of “trophy wives”.  Find what correlates with those monetary metrics and you might have some start.

As things stand, arguments are primarily posturing.

James, the trouble with hybrid vigor in the context of Ziv’s audience is that it means “hybrids have vigor,” when, as I understand it, the term means ”when hybrids have vigor.”

Not long ago I read of a study (perhaps here at MR, perhaps at gnxp) that demonstrated an effective population size of only ~1,200 individuals is necessary to avoid inbreeding depression. Since modern nationalities and ethnicities number far greater, that by itself should kill the miscegenation-is-necessary-to-avoid-recessive-disorders lie.

Holiday wrote: Further, James Bowery is correct, in that it are unmixed white women, particularly those of Northwest European ancestry, who are considered the ideals of feminine beauty.  Billy Joel did not marry Ms. Diesel, nor did Aaron Spelling or Steven Spielberg, or any other members of Mr. Ziv’s tribe looking for trophy wives.

If only Ziv’s fellow tribesmen would read his book and be conned by it to the same extent that others will be.

One thing I failed to mention about the rotational cross breeding programs, which also applies to the terminal cross breeding programs, is that you don’t use your best female purebreds for them.  You keep them in reserve to maintain your purebreeds.  You can afford to stud out your best purebreed males—though that is within the context of a high r strategy—not K strategy.

Ziv’s philsophy is bad even from the standpoint of a proponent of heterosis since he doesn’t care to preserve the purebreeds by reserving the best of their females to the best of their males for perpetuation of those purebreeds and indeed would not bother protecting the parental investment potential of the best of the purebreed males.

In short, Ziv and his ilk are lousy at human husbandry for all their pretentions.

And yes, anyone honestly promoting human husbandry via miscegenation would propose ethnostates to preserve the pure stock, particularly EuroChristian ethnostates since they’re so much more needed.  This is just common sense - it is obvious that a race can mix at will, and that once mixed it cannot go back to its previous state.  Common sense demands caution given the speculative nature of Ziv’s assertions.

Chance of Ziv doing so in his book: zero.

So what should we be aiming for? The white-black-indian hybrid society a’la Brazil or more like the white-asian hybrids of turkmen/kazak/etc/istan central Asia or perhaps the black-arab Janjaweedville of north Africa? Which is our civilizational goal? Either way it’s guaranteed to be a high IQ utopia of supermen/women! What i don’t understand is why they currently immigrate to where we are rather than the other way around. And what’s with “white flight” once they get here? Doesn’t whitey know what’s best for him/herself? Anyway, whatever. If whitey won’t voluntarily sign up for project-miscegenation, i’m sure this book, coupled with unprecedented(and currently unwanted,tsk) inward flow of brown ubermensch, will eventually leave him/her no options. Here’s to a world of brown everymen!

Does he have a Black wife himself?

Alexei,

By my interpretations of genocide - which are based upon an objective “one definition for all people, rather than special treatment for some” reading of established international conventions - Ziv is promoting genocide.

Further, as I have explained *in detail* it is simply *not possible* for inter-continental admixture to be genetically adaptive.  As James Bowery says, it is a principal of accounting that one looks at debits and not only credits.  Balancing the two makes it impossible - and I stress *impossible* for any illusory “hybrid vigor” to compensate for loss of genetic kinship. Let me know when Tiger Woods has his 40th child.

Even further, the arguments Ziv has made here, conflating ethnic endogamy with incest are the height of mendacity.  I have no reason to reconsider my characterization of his character.

Even further, for a “scientist” to say that evolution has “goals” means he is either an idiot, or contemptuously believes that *we* are idiots.

All reason enough for “animus.”

“The publisher’s teaser is in very bad taste, but that may be due to the stigma attached to the subject.”

Wrong.  The establishment approves of, and promotes, miscegenation.  There is no “stigma” in promoting the same thing overtly promoted by the news and entertainment media.  The teaser is in “bad taste” because the only arguments that can be made in support of intermarriage is that Julia Roberts is “more likely” to have an orgasm with an admixed man, or that Tiger Woods stinks less on the golf course.

The reason that is so, I have already explained.  It simply is not possible that inter-racial mixing is adaptive.  One could as well write a book saying one could drive a car to Jupiter.

“will soon be taken for granted that race actually matters on the genetic level..”

Guys like Risch and Wade are more useful, and honest, in this regard.

Of course, there is a point - either “there is no such thing as race and we are all genetically equivalent”, or “there are races that genetically differ, hence, illusory hybrid vigor.”

If the latter, then..EGI.

Julius Streicher:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Streicher

The point - Streicher was not a member of the military or SS, he was never accused of actually killing any person, or planning/organizing such killing.  He was in no way involved in the planning and/or execution of German war aims, or any “duplicity” in foreign policy.

No, Streicher was indicted, convicted, and executed solely on the basis of his writing and speeches, which were viewed as creating a climate in which genocide became possible; “incitement” to genocide.

Genocide is defined by international convention in a particular way, which includes, as stated above, full *or partial* destruction of a group, as well as creating conditions that *prevent births of that group.*

Ziv’s writings can be reassonably construed in resulting in prevention of births of persons of European descent (or actually, of other descent as well, but other peoples are not demographically threatened), which would result, at least, in the partial destruction of the group.

Therefore, there is a solid legal precedent for Ziv’s book to form the basis of an indictment by a putative future, legally convened international tribunal dedicated to pursuing justice with respect to globalist tyranny, promotion of replacement migration, miscegenation, and other demographically destructive trends.

Of course, like the Nuremburg defendants, individuals like Ziv would be allowed defense counsel, etc. and the process would follow the rules and precedents set down by both Nuremburg and the Hague.  Israel’s trial of Adolf Eichmann can also be considered as precedent as well.  Many individuals who are today leading figures in business, politics, media, etc. may find themselves indicted.

This is of course merely theoretical and most likely and unfortunately, will never come to pass.  But it is important to understand, at least in theory, that there is no reason for Streicher to have been indicted, while not considering the modern purveyors of genocide.

http://breedingbetweenthelines.com/book.htm

So, in essence, if a little bit of intra-continental heterozygousity is good (not proven, by the way), then a huge bit of inter-continental admixture is better, and will “unleash the potential of the genes.”

Sure.  Unfortunately, this has already been tried in many areas of the world, and has been an abject failure. 

The Hawaii data does not prove that inter-racial admixture is necessary for higher IQ (and is just one study that may be tainted by assortative mating, or by the non-representative nature of the white and yellow population of that island).  It *may* suggest that a degree of outbreeding may boost IQ - and such outbreeding could be obtained by looking farther afield for mates within the race of even within the same ethnicity (different geographic regions of the same nation).

Whatever Ziv claims, his mixing agenda will take place only in those nations that have racial diversity, and those nations are those which were, previously, white, western nations.  It are the peoples of European descent who have to be sacrificed for Ziv’s schemes, his speculative “unleash the potential” nonsense - creating more Brazilian slums in America and Europe, while the racially homogenous Chinese rise to world-wide superpower prominence.

Really, now.  There are two possibilities.  One, Ziv is sincere in his beliefs, which means that this is another example of destructive Jewish messianism, trying to build the world “into a better place”, and doing so in a manner which “just happens to” fit in with Jewish interests.  For example, Trotsky and the other Jewish Bolsheviks.

On the other, he is insincere, and is trying to trick whites into admixture by false promises of a superman brown race to be produced by endless admixture.

Either way, the man and his idea should be eschewed, ridiculed, and refuted.

So no to genocide and say no to Ziv - another semitic lunatic or fraud attempting to sell a false bag of goods.  Remember communism?  Do we need more “gifts” from these people?  let them keep their “world-improving” messianistic complexes to themselves.

"Sailer is a clown ... “ Enough said.  This multiculti, jew-day-o-phile, wolf-in-sheep’s clothing has tested my patience long enough.

Ben, thus I assume that Ziv’s work would be indictable under:

“(b) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction.”

Let’s look at this.  Persons of European descent - whites - are characterized by a set of genotypes and phenotypes that are *lost* with inter-racial mixture.  That’s physical destruction.

“Conditions of life” would include propaganda designed to promote said physical destruction; for example, promotion of miscegenation.

“Deliberately inflicting”, Ziv admits he is encouraging intermarriage.

Therefore, the only reason why Ziv is not being indicted is that the current interpretation of genocide law is prejudiced against whites, in that harm to whites will not be considered genocide, regardless of intent or outcome.

*Objectively*, however, putting aside the establishment’s biases, Ziv would seem, at least to my understanding and Ben’s, to be, at least indictable, if not convictable, under extant law.

"Hybrid Vigor” in mixed race Hispanics:

http://news.galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=5d3fde1ef9036805

Very vigorous, very vigorous.

"Ziv was of course correct in assuming he assuming (sic) he was wasting his time addressing the commentariat of this site.”

The only reason Ziv wasted his time is because he is unable to defend his thesis against the refutations of both J Richards and myself.

“Yet he tried anyway, demonstrating his typically Jewish naivete and good will (not that I necessarily agree with his thesis, btw).”

I do not consider the promotion of white genocide to be “goodwill”, but I do agree that it is “typically Jewish.”

“I find it sad that this site has devolved from being a conservative, race-realist site into being primarily a home for Jew-bashers.”

This is incorrect.  In fact, I try to avoid the JQ, but here we see a textbook case - is anyone surprised that a book promoting the “benefits” of miscegenation was written by someone named “Alon Ziv?” That was just as surprising as Noel Ignatiev being Jewish.  Whew! - never saw that one coming.  The point being that these attacks on white racial interests need to be analyzed, and if there is an ethnic component to them, we are not going to censor ourselves to please you.

“Oh well, there´s still Steve Sailer.”

Who promotes miscegenation as well.  BTW, Sailer has claimed to be part-Jewish.  Another surprise?

“There’s definitely a lot of room in the market of ideas, however, for race realists who are not hateful bigots.”

Like Sailer, bigoted against white preservation?

Now to the “meat” of your comment.

Twice on this blog I have provided a) links from Jewish sources, and b) quantitative analysis of ethnic intermarriage patterns to conclude that:

1) The 50% rate is likely an over-estimate
2) even if it is true, it is indicative of a resistance to assimilation, not eagerness to assimilate.  If Jews outmarried to the same extent as white gentiles, their outmarriage rate should be over 80%, which it is not.
3) when Jews outmarry, it is usually to white gentiles, not across broad racial lines, which Ziv encourages for us.

Now, if you wish to consider your personal, anecdotal evidence to be more convincing, so be it, but I doubt others here will be impressed.  Quantitative analysis coupled with surveys from Jewish sources say that you are wrong.

Then we have:
“something that whites, a much larger group with a much smaller outmarriage rate, need not fear, by the way.”

Are you a member of the tribe, because this, along with your other comments, is wonderfully mendacious.  Note how you conflate ethnic outmarriage within a broad race to racial ourmarriage across continental racial divides.  This seems a bit, shall we say, unfair - unless of course you believe that the racial gulf between Jews and white gentiles is similar to that between whites, blacks, Asians, etc. (if you wish to make that argument, be my guest).

However, if we consider Jews to be a Caucasian “white” (if not European) ethnicity, then your statement is, of course, false and misleading.

ALL white gentile ethnic groups in America have higher ethnic outmarriage rates than Jews, and I doubt you have any evidence whatsoever that Jews marry non-Caucasians to a greater extent than do white gentiles.

Therefore, the point remains: whites gentiles outmarry to a greater extent than Jews, both quantitatively (percentage that outmarry) as well as qualitiatively (genetic distance of spouse when outmarriage occurs).

More on “hybrid vigor”:

http://nitro.biosci.arizona.edu/courses/EEB320-2005/news/DG301.html

Note the link to the original paper, and note the bit on “epistasis.”

The introduction of European genetic material into a predominantly African genome is *harmful* to the African-American populations, unless of course Ziv wishes to convince us that heart attacks are an example of vigorous good health.

I did a rather crude, yet informative bit of data crunching.  I took from the ABD site ABD 2.5 data for percent non-Caucasian ancestry (non-"Indo European") for several areas of Europe, as well as North Africa, Turkey, Puerto Rico, Mexico,and India, and then did a scatter plot of that against national IQ, using available data (using, for, example, Sweden for Northern Europe, Egypt for North Africa, an IQ of 110 for Ashkenazi, merging Portugal and Spain for Iberia, etc.).

The trendline formula: y = -0.3595x + 101.26

In other words, the greater the admixture, the lower the IQ.

The same would hold true for Asia, as the higher-IQ regions (e.g., China and Japan) have significantly higher percentages of East Asian genetic background than to the lower-IQ regions of Southeast Asia.

The verdict of history marches onward.

BTW, Ziv, thanks for reminding us why people hate Jews so much.  It’s been an entire 8 hours since I was guilted by the holyhoax on the radio this morning.