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On English individualismWe have had a fair bit of discussion in various threads on the topic, so I thought it might be interesting to consolidate current thinking here on the matter. There would seem to be several parallel strands to explore, including: 1. Does English individualism actually exist? 2. If yes, what is it, exactly? 3. How did it come about?
4. Is it a ‘good thing’?
With respect to the first three, I have found Roger Scruton’s exegesis quite persuasive. He maintains there is indeed such a thing and defines it thus: “…individualism is the disposition of the English to affirm the right and responsibility of individual action in all spheres of social life [emphasis added]. He argues that the principal driver of English individualism has been the common law, which has its own roots in the old Germanic (‘barbarian’) legal systems based on custom and precedent. Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danes and Norsemen (and the Waelsch) all came to live and co-exist as individuals under Anglo-Saxon common law (meaning a common law for all of them). The lands from which they originated gradually all came under the sway of ‘Roman’ codified legal systems; in general, the relationship there between rulers, lawmakers and everybody else assumed an entirely different character to that which developed in England. I’ll leave No. 4 open for discussion. It would also be interesting to hear views on the extent to which Anglo-Saxon-style individualism has taken hold in other countries where a common-law system prevails. I think a case could be made for the white settler countries, but what about, say, Singapore? It’s hard to imagine a less individualistic society than that. And, on the other hand, have individualistic societies sprung up anywhere that the Roman (i.e. Napoleonic) system has prevailed? Scruton writes:
Posted by Dan Dare on Tuesday, August 18, 2009 at 02:14 AM in Comments:Posted by ROBERT CROSS on August 18, 2009, 11:02 AM | # Why should we have to justify who we are,this perennial search for a definition of our nationality/culture,this Englishness,seems to be a qualification not shared or demanded of other racial groups,and demeans its basis.If it were asked of any other nationality ,they would be just as hard pressed to define thier “roots” as we are.Englishness is a state of being,of accrued history,of homogenous extended family.We know who we are,that others do not is a cause of celebration not angst. Posted by Bill on August 18, 2009, 11:38 AM | # I composed this post for GW below but somehow it morphed into a sort of crossbreed between both posts, (I decided to put it on one side) later I saw Robert’s comment so I retrieved it - here it is just as it was. Do we need any of this at all? - Why not just leave it to natural instinct? I suggest we ask those men and women who are daily risking a claw hammer in their face delivering leaflets in hostile territory, or attending BNP meetings, or erecting marquees at the RWB festival in the full knowledge that fifty coach loads of Brown’s Brown shirts are on their way Ask them! I think the answer lies in Dan’s post above. The average English (British) know who they are and what they’re all about but they are not philosophers or deep thinkers and cannot articulate these feelings. These feelings are instinctive (cultural DNA - call it what you will) and having been fashioned and honed over countless generations. It’s as Fred keep telling us, they’re normal people trying to negotiate their way through life the only way they know how - without let or hindrance within the tribal consensus. It’s worked very well up till now. That is until the emergence of a cancerous political class that is gnawing the very vitals of their tribal guts from within - how can you legislate against that? Philosophy? Cosmopolitan Brown and his ilk don’t get it, and subsequently has spent many many hours casting hopelessly around as to what it means to be British, (Is he searching for a philosophy?) one thing it isn’t is a number on a stamped approved document entitling the recipient to all the goodies of the host nation for free. But Brown keeps trying. Maybe survival is the only philosophy that works, and my guess is we’re not a million miles away from finding out which philosophy will prevail - it could be bloody. Posted by Guessedworker on August 18, 2009, 12:18 PM | # That is all true and well-said, Robert. But the question is about intra-European individualisms, and whether the English possess a marked variety and, if they do, for what reason or reasons. Scruton’s opinion is interesting, as always. But I am not sure about the creative primacy of Common Law. Is this English individualism a genetic or cultural manifestation? Scruton’s conception is suggestive of the all-too-familiar old-school academic addiction to culturalism. Push these guys a little and out pops the customary plaint against genetic determinism. So they effortlessly proceed to rule out any consideration whatsoever of genes. I ca’t help but wonder, though, to what extent the visible signs of English individualism - the drift of English intellectualism, the frequency of English eccentrism and the entire flight into novel personal experience - is, in fact, replicated throughout the supposedly less individualistic Germanic, Slavic and Latin Europe. I think the case for English individualism has yet to be made. Posted by Euro on August 18, 2009, 01:54 PM | # “English” individualism is a contradiction in terms.A highly revealing one. Posted by Guessedworker on August 18, 2009, 04:01 PM | # “English” individualism is a contradiction in terms. Yes, if it’s cultural, merely an English individualism to which all subscribe. Not if it is sociobiological, when it becomes the inherent tendency to individualism of the English. Posted by Reader_ on August 18, 2009, 05:16 PM | #
What’s this about? There seem to be lots of eccentric types in other Euro countries, and in America plenty of eccentric people not of English extraction. Posted by Desmond Jones on August 18, 2009, 05:52 PM | # Fraser’s hypothesis is based upon his study of law. A nation state, a “society of strangers” can only blossom when the default mechanism of protection through extended family, i.e mafia-like, is rendered subordinate to non-kinship based reciprocty. Therefore, it’s falsifiable. Find an historical example of a kinship based society that functions as a nation state pre-dating English nationalism, and Bob’s your uncle. The concept of individualism is not either or but runs on a continuum extending from war-lordism in Iraq to individual contract in pre-war England. Both are ethnically homogeneous societies but one has chosen to eschew dependence upon kinship based relationships and the other has not. Transplanting the Iraqis to England will not change their view thus the notion that evoluton plays some part. Mr. Dare is on the right track. A comparison of Europe’s codelied law, that found its origin in Rome and England’s common law which found its origins in the forests of Germany would be illuminating. Posted by James Bowery on August 18, 2009, 08:10 PM | # Individualism is the nature of sex. Social animals are distinct from eusocial animals (ants, bees and naked mole rats) in their mode of reproduction: The social relations of social animals has not distorted sex. Clearly, humans are on the road from being sexual social animals to distorted sexual eusocial animals. European individualism is among the highest expressions of human sexuality. To the extent that Rome’s perverse sexuality conquered England and not Germany, it is arguable that England is less individualist, more eusocial and less sexed than Germany. However, Rome’s influence was not universal in the Isles and Gothic colonization of the Roman empire brought its own problems to Germany. Posted by Frank on August 19, 2009, 04:09 PM | # From ”The Culture of the Teutons”:
I don’t think this is inherently Christian to oppose frith, but I wanted to post this as a clue as to how Germans of another era might have thought. Posted by Marwinsing on August 19, 2009, 09:39 PM | # Nick and the lads “high-risk living” dropping leaflets? LOL! Come to my home, South Africa, let Marwinsing show you a bit about “high-risk living”... Posted by Euro on August 20, 2009, 06:11 PM | # Bowery writes:
Rome’s perverse sexuality?You’re beginning to sound like one of those Christers.What perverse sexuality.(I hope you dont mind me picking you’re brain ol’ shoe;you’ve got an interesting brain). Posted by James Bowery on August 21, 2009, 02:43 AM | # I think the struggles with sexual decadence during the decline of the Roman Empire are well enough documented aren’t they? I’m not picking on Rome specifically here since such sexual perversion seems as inherent in civilization as are its eusocial tendencies. Take, for example, Tacitus’s futile attempt to preach Germanic sexual mores to decaying Rome as early as 100AD. Civilization is a technology that mankind is far from applying responsibly, due, in large part, to the failure to apply scientific principles and ethics via secession. We put civilizations in the hands of fools who recognize virtually nothing of the limits of their knowledge and wisdom. Next entry: Alex Linder: Attack the Conservatives Previous entry: Myths and great myth |
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