REVOLUTION AND RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY

REVOLUTION AND RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY
By
Robert E. Reis

“Detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an uplifted knife.”
- Justice Holmes

John Locke believed that obvious tyranny gave the people the right to rebel.
He defined tyranny as the exercise of power beyond right.
It follows that under some circumstances a credible threat of armed resistance to agents of a tyrannical government is legitimate. In extreme circumstances it must be morally permissible to kill government agents who are simply following orders.
If an existing lawful government falls into the hands of people who decide to act contrarily to the natural rights the Constitution has always been thought to secure, what should be done? 

Common law recognizes the right of an innocent to defend himself or others with force, lethal if necessary, even against officers of the state. The common law never considers an amount of force reasonable when a defender could reasonably use less. There is also no privilege to resist a lawful arrest by lethal force. Immediate, deadly solutions to problems are forbidden where eventual, verbal solutions might reasonably be substituted. The common law recognizes nevertheless that an innocent who does not return fire may be killed before the mistake (or the conspiracy) can be corrected.
If the Constitution of the United States is legal, there must be some right to set up a legal constitution by revolutionary means. Otherwise our queen would be a member of the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (Oops! I mean House of Windsor.).
The Declaration of Independence says that at a minimum legitimacy needs the “consent of the governed”. Other constitutional orders have different legitimating conventions.
The Declaration of Independence rests on several familiar axioms. All men are created equal; they are endowed with inalienable rights by a Creator; governments are instated to protect these rights; governments that become destructive of this end may rightly be supplanted.
Thomas Jefferson believed that a righteous revolution restored natural law principles as found in Locke.
Locke wrote that a lawful revolution can be distinguished from barbarism by five tests.
1.A lawful revolution involves decent respect for the opinions of mankind.
2.Revolution is the lawful right, not of “persons” but of “the people.” “That particular Men are allowed . . . to have no other Remedy but Patience; but the Body of the People may with Respect resist intolerable Tyranny.”
3. A revolution must be justified by reasoning. It is not enough simply to have good reasons; those reasons must be declared and defended.
4. A lawful revolution cannot be provoked by some transient cause. To oppress this person or that person might be mere bad government and not tyranny. Yet, “a long train of Abuses, Prevarications, and Artifices, all tending the same way” might make the government’s tyrannical design “visible to the People,” so that they “should then rouze themselves, and endeavor to put the rule into such hands, which may secure to them the ends for which Government was at first erected.”
5. Force is only justified in the last resort. “[W]here the injured Party may be relieved, and his damages repaired by Appeal to the Law, there can be no pretence for Force, which is only to be used, where a Man is intercepted from appealing to the Law. For nothing is to be accounted Hostile Force, but where it leaves not the remedy for such an Appeal. And `tis such Force alone, that puts him that uses it into a state of War, and makes it lawful to resist him.”
America has a tradition of armed self-defense.
Liberals celebrate the armed resistance of Negro citizens in the 1910s and 1920s to the Ku Klux Klan. Gun battles occurred that needed the intervention of the National Guard.
Thomas Paine wrote: “Arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world . . . . Horrid mischief would ensue were [victims] deprived of the use of them . . . the weak will become a prey to the strong.”
Thomas Hobbes argued, “A Covenant not to defend my self from force, by force, is always void….Nay, all Laws must fall, human societies that subsist by them be dissolved, and all innocent persons be exposed to the violence of the most wicked, if men might not justly defend themselves against injustice. . . . ”
Is it reasonable to conclude the United States is passing beyond the state of mere bad government into that of tyranny? Are we witnesses to a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all tending the same way? Have we reached the point where appealing to the law has become fruitless?
If the genocide of the white population of the United States is the logical outcome of the prevailing social and legal policies coordinated by members of a particular genetic clustering of the Middle Eastern genetic clustering of the non-European genetic clustering of the Caucasian genetic clustering as Mr. Faussette has argued, it is time to get serious.

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Hi all,

I am back. Very interesting this MR is.

Speaking of John Locke I have a thesis. Most White Nationalsits or White racialist fear the demise of Euro Man - and his unique recessive features - blond hair, long limbs, angular features and blue-eyes.

Now I speculate that blonds will not become extinct like Dodos but may be come as rare as Siberian Tigers or White Rhinos and possibly make a comeback with the current advances in genetic research. Rather the issue is the demise of Euro culture that has evolved over centurires from the Viking Althing to parliamentary democracy. I think this is where the issue is.

The designer-baby era is upon us. I read somewhere that Danish sperm donors are in very big demand across the globe and that as many as one million babies have been conceived in America that way. I also note that many such mothers are Jewish - technically the offspring are Jewish. No doubt the Hollywood trophy wives are making Jewish offspring blonder added to the many German and Swedish women the Tinsel Town elites are taking. One Israeli man just recently discovered that his trophy German wife is related to Heinrich Himmler. I wonder what WN and readers of MR think as American Jews become even blonder than Englishmen - a very likely prospect as England becomes more Mestizo - Kelly Holmes, Rio Ferdinand and Kieron Dyer - the new Saxons via Africa.

I once worked with a Syrian and he was much fairer than some Irish and Welsh people I know, as regard hair that is - a kind of Fairfax Abdul. No doubt the Arab man must have had white Euro genes possibly Armenian. I also note the current king of Saudi Arabia is half-English. Suzzanne Mubarack, the wife of the Egyptian president, is half-Welsh. The Arabs prefer their men mating with Euro women not the Danish sperm donors.

I also note that some of the so-called Indian actresses with fairly white skin maybe the products of the Englishmen who sort comfort women to keep company while on duty in the sub-continent. The English left a mixed-race fingerprint in their former colonies but not as big as the Spanish. In South Africa a fair number of Coloureds will tell you they have Scottish and English forebears and have the surnames to prove it.  Some Anglo-Indians like Cliff Richard (Mr Rahul Webb?) pass as white Euros though he has rather dark skin. Equally some half-Arabs like Julia Sawalha (main actress in the movie Chicken Run) pass themselves as English. I also thought so until I looked at her small stature, surname and her Roma-like appearance. I thought the same of Ben Kingsley, though he looked like a Roma. Then I read he is half-Indian, quarter-Jewish and quarter-English and was born Krishna Bhaji - is that a Saxon name?

I note this genetic upgrading in Africa as well. Most white men expatriates get local comfort women. I know a Danish man who came back from Africa with a black woman and a mulatto child after working on a road construction project.  These local African women I think are pursuing a strategy. They know their offspring are born a notch above the rest of the blacks and have a far better chance at success in life with lighter skin. Most mixed-race people across Africa like South Asian businessmen are the elite - economically that is even politically (the half-black and half-Scottish Jerry Rawlings of Ghana). I have heard stories of how local African women don’t even mind if the white man they marry is a drunkard and penniless as long as their children inherit the surname - Jones, Anderson, Petersen etc and lighter skin colour.

In view of the above I predict that blonds will survive into the future, the way Euros have survived in Latin America which resembles India as far as caste. I think the race-mixing will ebb after very few white Euro women remain in white countries. Suppose England were to fall to Islam, as it is already heading, I doubt the Arabs and Pakistanis will tolerate blacks marrying white women at will - even now these two have serious objections to black converts to the Muslim religion, no matter how devout, marrying off their daughters but for now they tolerate Germiane Lindsay (London Bomber) who married a white partner. But for how long? I think in the end the remaining white women will be paired off to high-caste Muslim men to produce offspring like Christine Armanpour - almost white perhaps that is what Robert Rubin thought - mind you he is even more swarthy.

I think it is white Euro culture - justice, fair play, rationalism and scientific enquiry that may not survive if blond hair becomes the preserve of Arab ruling families. I think this is the most serious issue. It is hard to see the Japanese (mutilation of American WWII prisoners and the Manga brutal comics) or the Chinese (Darfur and Tinanemen) or the Arabs (harems, Iraqi, Sharia, slavery) upholding the democratic advances of the Euro man in the last hundreds of years. Someone forgot to tell Bush that Arab countries can never be democratic as they are family enterprises all like the House of Saud and human life has almost zero value.

In fact Mr Adolf Hitler I think was nothing as far as atrocities (alleged) as compared to many people I know - Sierra Leone (amputations) and Japan (Nanking Massacre). The key difference I think is that the Germans were more efficient at doing just about everything - super tanks, guided missiles and detention camps. Can you imagine if Idi Amin of Africa had his hands on the launch sequence codes of a Trident “Boomer” submarine - that would be the end of life on earth?

Just some ideas.

X-Ray Vision

Posted by X-Ray Vision on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 at 12:40 PM | #


What X-Ray Vision is neglecting, and which is just as important as “the survival of Euro genes,” is the survival of top-to-bottom-Euro communities (and nations, just the union of all a group’s communities).  Primary among our demands is that those not disappear or change.  We demand that.  Those don’t exist in Latin America for example, and are what is being attacked first and foremost with this first stage of race-replacement we’re being subjected to.  There’s also the fact that, as JW Holliday showed in his log entries at this site, people who look Euro among the Latin-American élites are mixed for the most part.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 at 01:09 PM | #


Hey, here is a quick blog entry on the brussels Sept 11 protest including photos.

You can find it here.

It was very interesting, to say the least.

Posted by brian on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 at 03:15 PM | #


What X-Ray Vision is neglecting, and which is just as important as “the survival of Euro genes,” is the survival of top-to-bottom-Euro communities (and nations, just the union of all a group’s communities).  - F Scrooby.

I am merely an observer of events. This is how I see things panning out in the future. That is how the future looks unless revolution comes or someone picks up agains on Tom Metzger’s Leaderless Resistance and William Luther Pierce’ day of resistance. Unfortunately all prior efforts for revolution have been feeble compared to peers.

Pierce probably inspired Bob Matthews in the same way Combat-18 inspired David Copeland to set-off bombs in London targeted at Gays, South Asians and Blacks - nail bombs. I am told Copeland picked his designs from Goodies Here - no incitement intended - don’t open this link in a public library people!

Bob Matthews went nowhere with bank robberies and died in a shoot-out. Copeland is in a British prison. His attempts were shoddy and pale compared to the many Islamist groups that are plotting to blow up Londonistan.  Likewise the IRA was so successful at blowing up buildings that even the elite British forces like the SAS failed to curtail it. In a way you could say the IRA won the war since it forced the hand of Anthony Charles Lytton Blair to concede defeat and hand over Northern Ireland to to the Irish Republic - that is effectively what he did - Rev Ian Paisley will be dead soon and the Republicans will be a majority - Ireland Forever!!!!

On MR I see the same approach that Duke crafted which is approach is education and awareness with the hope to produce a political platform and finally social change. All this was conceived by David Duke after the first the charm offensive of People Friendly Klanmen failed. He dumped burning crosses for suits. He also came up with the protocol on WN non-violence - kind of like Martin Luther King - no insults and get smart.

At the risk of being seen to endorsing violence I think the IRA strategy was more effective. The WN community may have Internet but I think the foe is more cunning and honed in getting its message across. Add to this the slaughter of WWII that Liberals use to extract guilt. At Judicial Inc they say it is not really Liberals but The Hidden Generals Wearing Skullcaps. I have talked to many as why they never vote for far right parties - no one wants to be labelled a racist or bigot or be compared to Hitler. In other words your foe has done a thorough job of conditioning. Self-defence = racism. These are the same people who claim the hospital are congested and crime is too ethnic. I have looked at all European parties that align to WN and all seem to be mediocre except a few like the National Front in France, Konstantin’s NPD in Eastern Germany and Vlaams Belang in Belgium - mind you even Sien Fienn in NI was a small party even now. I doubt the BNP will ever come into power in Britain - rather it merely seems to force agendas like immigration on the mainstream then sink into oblivion.

In conclusion I think arms, sometimes do produce results. It is said that in Rhodesia Smith knew the jig was up when the black rebels downed two aircraft in less than one year with Strela-2 SAMs - they didn’t just threw rocks those blacks. They also attacked an oil depot right in the middle of Salisbury/Harare the capital. Even De Klerk gave up in South West Africa/Namibia rather than be bogged down in more bloodletting even though on average for each South African soldier dead there were 25 on the other side thanks to wonder weapons like the GV-5 Howtizers. Then again white are out numbered by a like margin in the sub-region.

White Nationalists like F. Scrooby have bills to pay, mortgages to services etc and don’t want the Bobby SandysHotel Hilton treatment Sandys - what a very unIrish sounding name.

My observation is the racialists and White Nationalists lack both the commitment, stomach and sacrifice for Robert Reis or Willaim Pierce’s revolution. In other words Bobby Sandys and Islamists of London are willing to give their all while people here wait for Critical Mass then Nick T. will get tosh napalm at the blacks like in Nam - by which time he might be too old and massively outnumbered.

X-Ray Vision.

Posted by X-Ray Vision on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 at 04:15 PM | #


The WN community may have Internet but I think the foe is more cunning and honed in getting its message across.

How then do you account for the foe being enormously successful through non-violent means?

http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/llt/47/03lamber.html

Posted by desmond jones on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 at 05:09 PM | #


X-Ray suffers from a variant of Lewontin’s Fallacy.  Just as Lewontin focused on single genes as determinative of race, so X-Ray focuses on single phenotypes as determinative of race.

The reality is that there is an entire human ecology at stake—the correlation structure of genes and phenotypes within a population and indeed within a territory comprising said human ecology.  If he wants us to “mix it up” for the sake of evolution or creativity or something, he can have it—all in good time—as allowed by the gene flow rates prudence dictates be limited in order to limit the risk that vital heritage is lost without compensating gain.  Investors call this “portfolio management”.

Secondly, the argument that there is “no stomach” for forceful resistance is more reminiscent of the rhetoric about “cowardly terrorists” than it is any supportive argument against armed resistance.  Individual men confronting a nuclear armed Big Brother state’s standing army is not heroism unless there is some higher purpose served by their resulting sexual torture at the hands of ethnic prison gangs—or his suicide attack against the representatives of that state sent to apprehend him.  There are techniques made viable by modern technology such as I have discussed in the past:  “Act at noon Central Time on April 15 and April 19.  If you spread this message, do not act.  If you act, bear in mind the goal:  Independence.” Essentially, the problem for Leviathan is the capital cost of its critical organs is driven by peak load limits.  Such techniques become more viable the more the People, mainly its young men, recognize the horror of what is being done to them.

Posted by James Bowery on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 at 05:22 PM | #


“Hi all,

I am back. Very interesting this MR is. “

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Should read:

Hi all.

I am [BLACK]. Very interesting this MR is.

Well, X-Ray Vision, if your so interested in MR, donations of $500 or $1,000 would be greatly appreciated.

Posted by Tommy G on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 at 06:31 PM | #


At the risk of being seen to endorsing violence I think the IRA strategy was more effective. The WN community may have Internet but I think the foe is more cunning and honed in getting its message across.

The IRA (and their Protestant adversaries) had communities in both rural and urban Northern Ireland that were willing to assist them and shield them from the authorities. Attempts to pursue IRA gunmen were blocked by rioting civilians allowing for escape.  Collaborators were ruthlessly dealt with and in time locals did not see it as their civil duty to co-operate with the state. Even when they didn’t have much support appeals to common history with ever present symbols of nationhood produced a visceral reaction from the local civilians. Also all the Ulster paramilitaries were involved in organised crime. Such activity provided them with money, property, as well as the support of apolitical criminals looking to make money or become big shots.  Can WNists claim to have any of this going for them?

Lastly, previous Republican rebellions were easily snuffed out by the Northern Ireland state authorities. These state authorities were made up of local Protestants who treated their conflict with Catholics as an existential one. The interfering British government did not see it that way. Appeasing Americans - both the Irish lobby and the Cold Warriors upset at the propaganda opportunity for the Soviet-bloc - was more important to them than crushing the Republicans.  In the US many police and other state employees may be whites who are not PC leftists but how much would they sympathise with WNists who got violent? At present they’d see it as their civil duty put down a WNist version of the IRA. (That’s not to say things can’t change). I would not expect the US authorities to be as weak dealing with WNist violence as the British were during the Troubles.

White Nationalists like F. Scrooby have bills to pay, mortgages to services etc and don’t want the Bobby SandysHotel Hilton treatment Sandys - what a very unIrish sounding name.

“We’ll never forget you, Billy Sands” as the graffiti once said. His name was Bobby Sands.

Posted by Matra on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 at 09:08 PM | #


One other point. The IRA could count on Amnesty International and other human rights groups along with the left wing press to stick up for them. Eventually the IRA got their lawyers into Amnesty International and judging by the press reports on NI they had some influence in media. WNists will never have Amnesty, Soros-funded NGOs, and Jewish media on their side.

Posted by Matra on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 at 09:18 PM | #


“The reality is that there is an entire human ecology at stake — the correlation structure of genes and phenotypes within a population and indeed within a territory comprising said human ecology.” (—James B.)

This of course is exactly what I meant in my comment, where I referred to “communities and nations that are top-to-bottom Euro.” We will never settle for anything less than a return to that, exactly what we had in Europe, certainly, before forced race-replacement, and for the most part in the U.S. as well.  The other side needs to understand the following:  1) we are perfectly aware of what they’re up to:  they’re fooling many but not all, and fewer and fewer with each passing year, month, week, day, and hour — our ranks are growing geometrically; 2) we will not compromise on this question or accept any “new racial status quo” for our communities and nations; 3) we are totally committed to a return to the racial/ethnocultural status quo ante; 4) we are extremely serious.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 at 09:28 PM | #


“White Nationalists like F. Scrooby” (—X-Ray)

I’m not a White Nationalist.  I’m an ordinary completely apolitical normal person concerned about what’s going on around me.  I know nothing about White Nationalism.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 at 09:33 PM | #


X-Ray Vision said:

My observation is the racialists and White Nationalists lack both the commitment, stomach and sacrifice for Robert Reis or Willaim Pierce’s revolution. In other words Bobby Sandys and Islamists of London are willing to give their all while people here wait for Critical Mass then Nick T. will get tosh napalm at the blacks like in Nam - by which time he might be too old and massively outnumbered.

I disagree. White sentiment will only turn anti-foreigner in sufficient mass when economic resources turn scarce, which means we have to wait until this economic set-up starts to sputter and fall apart, before our ideas can truly find circulation. All attempts to preempt change that are outside of the realm of peaceful organizing and discussion are going to initiate a backlash which will be scrupelless, opportunistic and more conspirative than anything WNs can conjure: naturally it will have the benefit of being organized from society’s highest tiers, whereas our situation could not be more bottom-up. Each of us could probably name 1 billionaire willing to contribute to their counterrevolution- now name 1 who would contribute to ours.

The Neocons only needed Russia and Islam to totally change many aspects of American politics, foreign policy especially. A WN-insurgency is precisely what this power structure needs to begin unfolding the same politics domestically. It will give its flailing gasping structure a boogey-man to oppose: in the declining years of these governments this could be precisely the prop they need: a secret WN conspiracy. A coalition of liberal kids and colored people would ascent to the use of totalitarian methods in the suppression of this ultimate evil. Don’t give it to them, I say.

Posted by PF on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 at 10:57 PM | #


By means of shocking police brutality, Freddy Thielemans successfully suppressed the Brussels demonstration originally planned for today, a demonstration against the E.U.’s policy of Islamizing of the European continent in the shortest time.  The mask slipped today and we briefly glimpsed the EU/multicult/’Kwa’s real face.  The multiculturalism/inclusiveness/anti-racist governmental program that has these imbecilic, wildly over-reacting Brussels officials brainwashed is Jewish and comes straight out of the United States; likewise the viewing of defenders of Euros as unmitigated purest evil enjoying no more rights than an insect, not even the right to life — that view is also Jewish and also comes straight out of the U.S.K. (the United States of Kwamerikwa).

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 at 03:59 AM | #


I am [BLACK]. Very interesting this MR is.

Well, X-Ray Vision, if your so interested in MR, donations of $500 or $1,000 would be greatly appreciated. - Tommy G

I think you give Blecks too much credit. I doubt that in between robbing liquor stores, gin and juice they would have time to sit down and analyse WN and the dynamics of race unfolding. Maybe you watch too much TV where Blecks are numbered among the scientists, hackers and financial wizards.

As far as I can see most of your gripes are caused by White Liberals or as Prof. MacDonald says the 1965 Holocaust engineered by the Kosher Semites posing as Euros. Perhaps Yanks understand why the world’s favourite Semites were quarantined in the Old World?

About the money I am trying to make some first so that request is on hold but again that would render me subjective and make my book hard to sell - the pitch is neutrality - maybe if I make a bundle I will go to the North Pole - Russia just made a claim.

I’m not a White Nationalist. I’m an ordinary completely apolitical normal person concerned about what’s going on around me.  I know nothing about White Nationalism.

F. Scrooby that is what I meant by saying no one wants to be identified as a WN = bigot = racist = Redneck = Hitler Nut - the other team has conditioned people to think like this. So in your mind White Nationalists are not normal? Actually WL Pierce and R. Oliver were very intelligent and rational if you ask me but were not so much for the love of the Blecks. I brought up the IRA/Islamist to provoke you guys to give me some answers.

By the way Fred I think you could be more comfortable at Amren - they also feign being seen as extremists. In fact the most hardcore at Amren are not the East European Jews who say they are White Christians but a couple of Southerners. Personally I think Amren is just another version of Daniel Pipes - they only difference is on Blecks/Los Amigos.

I think PF has been the most sensible of all the above output - not philosophical and not shallow either. He seems to agree with the anti-Zionists are Judicial Inc - no doubt the economic fundamentals will first give way before William Luther Pierce’s Day of Revolution can come about. Technically Pax Americana is broke and Iraqi and all those imperial adventures are being paid for by the Chinese. The sub-prime lending fiasco is but a symptom of worse to come.  The rot starts with the economic fundamentals.

The UK is even in worse shape. I think British readers know the Limey Bosses became broke in the 1970s and 1980s - the UK like Ireland is propped up by FDI flows mostly from the Chinese via the US. London is symptomatic - low taxes attract the super rich including some rich Swedes, Russians and Indians. These bring monopoly money that has propped up property prices - but for how long? Some of this cash is in the many London Hedge Funds - a thousand ways to make money. Meanwhile as the quality of life declines London might face some serious competition as a financial centre from Dublin, Edinburgh etc. It is a matter of time before the UK unravels economically beginning with Londonistan - then the cutbacks in social spending will be ignite revolution as the various groups compete. Gordon ‘Sweatie’ Brown and McBlair know this financial problem is looming and the UK has been running trade deficits second to Pax Americana. Hence they are courting Arab money like David Duke - London as an Islamic Financial Centre is the latest scheme.

Anyway I get most of my economic outlooks from Jim Puplvava at Financial Sense. Jim and his guests have been accurate. He does not do politics though but uses subtle language on the coming collapse and the Neocon follies. One guest was John Perkins - he was a bestseller in German for his book on the follies of Pax Americanana.

Thank you. I am done. Sorry for the syntax - I am not a native speaker.

X-Ray Vision

Posted by X-Ray Vision on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 at 05:50 PM | #


The mask slipped today and we briefly glimpsed the EU/multicult/’Kwa’s real face.  The multiculturalism/inclusiveness/anti-racist governmental program that has these imbecilic, wildly over-reacting Brussels officials brainwashed is Jewish and comes straight out of the United States

Europe has jews of its own. Most of America’s jews are no more than a few generations removed from Europe. Again, we see Scrooby blaming America for what Europe is doing to itself. We still enjoy free speech in the U.S., for the moment, even if Scrooby’s cousins are doing all they can to change that.

Posted by ff on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 at 06:12 PM | #


“F. Scrooby, that is what I meant by saying no one wants to be identified as a WN = bigot = racist = Redneck = Hitler Nut - the other team has conditioned people to think like this.” (—X-ray)

Yes the Jews have deliberately conditioned people to think that of WNs but it isn’t why I don’t call myself a WN.  I don’t call myself a WN because I don’t see what a WN does that’s different from what a normal person does, and normalness needs no special name.  If I don’t rob banks or beat my wife am I to go by a special name, or am I normal?  If someone assigned me a special name for not robbing banks or beating my wife I’d reject it because I wouldn’t see a difference between an ordinary normal guy on the one hand, and on the other, a guy who didn’t rob banks or beat his wife.  What’s the difference?  The two guys are the same; likewise, an ordinary normal guy and a guy who, when government race-replaces whites, asks what’s going on.  They’re the same.  Let’s say government tried to change every white person into a Negro, two guys noticed, one questioned it, the other didn’t.  Which one was acting normal?  The one who questioned it.  The other one was being weird or something.  So why the special name for the one acting normal?  Why not just for the one acting weird? 

I’ll welcome a special name for myself as soon as I need one.  I don’t need one. 

“So in your mind White Nationalists are not normal?”-

I don’t know what White Nationalists are supposed to be.  Someone who questions forced race-replacement is just an ordinary normal person, nothing special in any way.

“Fred I think you could be more comfortable at Amren - they also feign being seen as extremists.”

I don’t follow —you’re saying I “feign being seen as extremist”?  What’s that supposed to mean? 

I’ve always felt quite comfortable at MR.com, thank you.

“I am not a native [English-]speaker.”

What are your race, nationality, and native tongue?
______

“ff” suffers from a medical condition called Synapse-Dearth.  (So does Andy Wooster.)

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 at 11:52 PM | #


Geez, Fred. Now you’re attacking me on threads that I haven’t even participated in.  Obsessed much?

Posted by Andy on Thursday, September 13, 2007 at 02:01 AM | #


Those of you who still think that of Ron Paul as our savior should go read Brimelow’s interview with Ron Paul over at vdare.com Ron Paul stated that he is in favor of increasing legal immigration. You all understand what this means:more predatory asians in America. He is also infavor of increasing the H-1 visa program.

Please, no more of this Ron Paul cheerleading nonsense.

Posted by Frank McGuckin on Thursday, September 13, 2007 at 11:35 AM | #


It’s interesting that you brought up Ron Paul here first.

If you have a problem with “Ron Paul cheerleading nonsense” based on some “cheerleaders” thinking that he is “our savior” perhaps you should try responding to the articles, if not the precise comments, in which his name comes up.  As a further refinement, you might try responding to precisely those comments that mention Ron Paul as “our savior”.

I will be writing a review of the Brimelow interview but first I must prepare for a Ron Paul rally where I intend on making some useful contacts—boots on the ground and all that you know…

Posted by James Bowery on Thursday, September 13, 2007 at 12:47 PM | #


“I think you give Blecks too much credit. I doubt that in between robbing liquor stores, gin and juice they would have time to sit down and analyse WN and the dynamics of race unfolding. Maybe you watch too much TV where Blecks are numbered among the scientists, hackers and financial wizards.”

TG: Don’t kid yourself, X-Ray. There are plenty of Blacks that are quite capable of analyzing WN with the highest academic scrutiny. Didn’t you ever hear of the “talented tenth?” My life’s experience has taught me never judge a book by it’s cover. If you think ALL blacks are stupid or criminals, your perception is one of a fool… I, for one, never underestimate blacks.

“As far as I can see most of your gripes are caused by White Liberals or as Prof. MacDonald says the 1965 Holocaust engineered by the Kosher Semites posing as Euros. Perhaps Yanks understand why the world’s favourite Semites were quarantined in the Old World? “

TG: Yes. my gripes are with malevolent Jewish supremacists who are the main architects of the ethnic cleansing of White Gentiles...and the lunatic, ethno- masochistic, White-Gentile liberals that gleefully participate in advancing/promoting that agenda.

“About the money I am trying to make some first so that request is on hold but again that would render me subjective and make my book hard to sell - the pitch is neutrality - maybe if I make a bundle I will go to the North Pole - Russia just made a claim.”

TG: I was just joking about the money, but good luck with your book! I hope it becomes a bestseller. Please let us know when it’s published.

Posted by Tommy G on Thursday, September 13, 2007 at 01:05 PM | #


James,

Ron Paul’s stance on HB-1 visas notwithstanding. I think he is by far the best candidate to represent Whites in the USA. I say that because he is unequivocally against group rights and for pro individual rights based on merit. It is group rights that the Leftists use to wield all their power over the majority white population. If we can strip “group rights” from official government policy, that would serve the White majority well, for obvious reasons.

Ron Paul reminds me of Ayn Rand...I believe they share the same core philosophy.

“Ayn Rand believed that individuals must choose their values and actions solely by reason, and that “Man — every man — is an end in himself, not the means to the ends of others.” According to Rand, the individual “must exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself. The pursuit of his own rational self-interest and of his own happiness is the highest moral purpose of his life.”

Posted by Tommy G on Thursday, September 13, 2007 at 01:33 PM | #


Scrooby said:

If I don’t rob banks or beat my wife am I to go by a special name, or am I normal?  If someone assigned me a special name for not robbing banks or beating my wife I’d reject it because I wouldn’t see a difference between an ordinary normal guy on the one hand, and on the other, a guy who didn’t rob banks or beat his wife.  What’s the difference? 

The difference is you live in a society where bank robbing, or the political-philosophical equivalent thereof, has become status quo. Even though you view your position as that representing normalcy, (so do I!), you have to acknowledge the fact that in popular discourse and mainstream opinion it is regarded as abnormal. Thus the need for a qualifying term for what, in ‘sane’ epoches, would be and was considered normal.

I’m not a White Nationalist.  I’m an ordinary completely apolitical normal person concerned about what’s going on around me.  I know nothing about White Nationalism.

That’s somewhat ingenuine, seeing as you’ve been hobnobbing with people who could roughly be categorized as WNs online, apparently for years now. I think you could guess, without any foreknowledge, 85% of any White Nationalist political platform presented anywhere. You could delineate with a high degree of accuracy the ideological forebears of WN thinking- you could present a number of historical examples supporting its arguments and theories - you could describe in detailed terms the struggle that necessitates such an ideology. Although you may not choose for yourself the term ‘White Nationalist’, you know a hell of a lot about WN, Fred. If there was a WN Gameshow, and you were in it against two other people picked at random off the street, you would return home a very rich man.

Posted by PF on Thursday, September 13, 2007 at 01:47 PM | #


Ron Paul does not represent the interests of White Americans. He will attack White America through non-white legal immigration.

Go ahead James and indulge your libertarian fantasies at the Paul rally. Libertarians are the enemy of community. The extreme individualistic ethic of the Libertarians is a death sentence for White America.

Ron Paul is at the core a pro-corprate -America- is- an- idea nation guy.I will not vote for one issue politicians(opposition to illegal imigration). I don’t have to remind you that the racial composition of America is changing very rapidly. Silicon Valley has been colonized by China and India through legal immigration.

Posted by Frank McGuckin on Thursday, September 13, 2007 at 05:03 PM | #


I think it was Mcguire or maybe Mantra who pointed out that White Nationalist do not hve an economic agenda that would appeal to a majority of White Americans. It seems-though I could be wrong about this-that many of them are pushing a Libertarian framework where millions of Americans are atomized creatures who have no value outside of free market transactions.

Ann Ryand? Most White Americans would find Hell itself more enjoyable than the kind of society she was so enamoured of

And James, I most definitely support big Goverment suppor of science programs

Waiting for another one of your usual obscure responses.

Libertarians don’t know how to run a society. Their intent is to destroy society.( I am Libertaraian on certian issues. I’m making the case against across the board Libertarianism)

It is not suprising that Ron Paul represents Texas interests. Texas elites have been some of the worst abusers of American labor.

Posted by Frank McGuckin on Thursday, September 13, 2007 at 05:56 PM | #


As several of us have reiterated many times before, the primary value of Ron Paul is not the man nor his so-called “libertarian” message, but the unprecedented grassroots movement which he himself admits is not within the control of his organization.  I don’t know how many times the contributors to this forum must repeat this message before you take it to heart.  Perhaps I missed someone here who is actually believes Ron Paul is “our savior”, but if so, it is a minor omission.

Moreover, let’s talk about the unlikely eventuality that Ron Paul actually gets his so-called “libertarian” agenda fulfilled:

I’m a displaced software engineer who has witnessed the destruction not only of his profession, including his own 35 year career, but of the entire Fortune 1000’s information processing departments at the hands of Asian gangs.  “Libertarians”, in their naive view of immigrant groups and the ability of law enforcement to cope with those groups, are willing to let said gangs run the Fortune 1000 into the ground.  Ron Paul is guilty of that and it _is_ a big deal—not just for me personally and not just for a vital industry men like me built, but for the civilization being gutted of the primary business asset it had remaining after deindustrialization. 

I agree.

Where I suspect I really disagree with you is that you appear to believe our first priority must be on reduction of private rent seeking rather than reduction of public choice rent seeking.  Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and various Jewish-inspired managerial-state hoops through which we must jump to live our lives, are far worse problems for us than are the “libertarian” delusions about Asian IT workers and their delusions that law enforcement can cope with the criminal actions of those groups (in conjunction with our own criminal corporate elites).  Ron Paul’s pseudo-libertarian policies, that do in some respects made clear by Brimelow’s interview, fail to recognize national territory as a property right held in trust for the posterity of the Founders, nevertheless are likely to dramatically reduce the presence of Mexicans and other third worlders within the US’s borders.  Yes, he will increase the relatively-speaking small Asian middle class immigration problem and thereby make things far worse for middle class families, contrary to his own expectations, but that is precisely what we need to educate people about the problem of private economic rent seeking and motivate the means necessary to correct it—as well as public choice rent seeking Paul clearly is ridding us of.

Posted by James Bowery on Thursday, September 13, 2007 at 06:06 PM | #


That Ron Paul interview for VDare confirms my worst suspicions of RP. He’s clearly an anti-racist obsessed with economics. He probably thinks the only differences between Canada and Mexico are their respective economic systems. The only possible good his candidacy can do on the race replacement front is to moderate libertarian pro-immigrant sentiment. Oh well. At least he opposes global government and a Likudnik foreign policy.

Posted by Matra on Thursday, September 13, 2007 at 06:09 PM | #


Regarding Ron Paul, he is the only candidate who wants to end wars for jews, welfare for illegal aliens (and for all others, eventually) and social security and income tax slavery. If there’s another candidate that Ron Paul doesn’t stand head and shoulders above, let me know who that is.

Posted by John on Thursday, September 13, 2007 at 06:44 PM | #


Yes James, I think you might have zeroed in on our political differences.

Let me tell you something, I was disgusted by what Paul said at level ten on the emotional richter scale. When I explode, I tend to lash out at everyone.

How much longer will vdare.com play the silly citzenship game?

Why does vdare.com pretend to be above racial politics? It is really getting to be kind of silly Peter Brimelow. You won’t pursue a race based approach to immigration restriction because you are affraid of political liberals who will call you bad names. However these are the same politial Liberals who encourage the race based politics of hispanics and asians.

One last thing, does Peter Brimelow and Ron Paull seriously believe that it would be morally acceptable to coerce welfare recipients into agricultural slave labor? Look. I’m not oposed to serious discussions about welfare refrom. But giving poor people a slaves choice is really beyond the pale. If you want slaves for agriculture work use the robotics variety.

If yo are not wlling to vounteer to do work that you and everyone else knows is basically slaves work., don’t coerce other human beings into it.

Anyhow, I just thought I would register my disgust with legal immigrant Peter Brimelow and the great defender of the plantation slave owner class, the dishonorable Ron Paul.

Posted by Frank Mcguckin on Thursday, September 13, 2007 at 06:55 PM | #


John

You go ahead and vote for the colinization of Northern California and all of NJ by China and India. I don’t like single issue politics.

Posted by Frank Mcguckin on Thursday, September 13, 2007 at 06:59 PM | #


Another British/Russian/Jew outlines the implications of FDR’s lend-lease programme to the British and the sustainability of the Empire.

John Maynard Keynes: Fighting for Britain 1937-46
Robert Skidelsky
A review

Above all, Keynes was disabled by a rationalist innocence that ignored the depth of America’s suspicions about Britain. Skidelsky notes that America’s third war aim after the defeat of the German and Japanese empires was the dissolution of the British version. In 1939-40 it mistook Britain for an opulent empire - one that had, moreover, defaulted in 1933 on its first world war American debts. Internationalist in trade when it had suited, in leaner times Britain had contracted into protectionism. America had made the same journey, but in an opposite direction. Now it wanted the abolition of imperial protection - both economically and politically.

“Lend-lease” was the background to Keynes’s failure. Roosevelt’s shifty improvisation was a solution to both Britain’s penury and American isolationism. America’s loan of equipment would help Britain “put out the fire”; it would also edge America towards war since the transport across the Atlantic would be vulnerable to U-boat attack. But behind the offer was a Democratic Party dominated by immigrant communities who hated all empires - including Britain’s. In return Britain had to accept limitations of both its exports and its gold and dollar reserves, meaning that it started the peace with the largest external debt in its history.

Keynes was the negotiator of grudging loans to avert the financial Dunkirk that loomed in the war’s second half. Justice mattered to him. It was important that Britain had suffered disproportionately during the war - but waving medals was a failure of tone. He had to deal with an American treasury official, Harry Dexter White, who thought that the world should be conveniently parcelled between the Americans and the Soviets. It was White’s proposal that Germany be “pastoralised” after the war and its industrial capacity destroyed. The critic of the Versailles Treaty’s vengeance was again among the barbarians.

There is comedy in Skidelsky’s account of all those Keynesian quips falling dead from his lips as the illusionless bosses look down from the saddle. But the keynote is pathos - that of a high-minded liberal unable to understand the gut-instinct hostility of a strange new world. At its most cynical interpretation, lend-lease enabled Britain to protect its empire in the Middle and Far East - but at a cunning cost. The means of immediate preservation were also designed to be those of the eventual enslavement of Britain’s domestic economy to the new imperium.

“The negotiations did not go smoothly,” Eden recalled, “nor did I altogether approve of the details of the final settlement. At one time the suggestion was put forward in Washington that the entire British West Indies should be handed over for the cancellation of our war debts. I thought this less than friendly bargaining. At another, the destroyers were to be exchanged for a public assurance that the British fleet would sail to North American waters if H itler gained control of the United Kingdom. The Prime Minister rightly protested that such an announcement would have a ‘disastrous effect’ on British morale. The West Indian bases alone were certainly worth more than 50 or 60 old destroyers… Our desperate straits alone could justify its terms.”

Churchill at the time called it “the most un-sordid act in the history of any nation”, but Eden noted: “Later the same month documents handing over bases in Newfoundland, Bermuda and the West Indies were signed.”

Posted by desmond jones on Thursday, September 13, 2007 at 08:35 PM | #


“in popular discourse and mainstream opinion, [to question forced race-replacement] is regarded as abnormal.” (—PF, 1:47 PM)

In this matter we shouldn’t submit to mainstream opinion.  I do not.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thursday, September 13, 2007 at 09:06 PM | #

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