“...wherever there is a mixture of races the pecking order follows the average intelligence of each group: Ashkenazim Jews, East Asians, Whites, mestizos of different hybrids, Amerindians, and Blacks—to name just a few.”

The IQQ is of vast imiportant to many white liberationists, but the question is, Why?

If we believe that “Ashkenazim Jews” and “East Asians” are, on average, smarter than we are, what on earth are we doing even talking about it. We need to be innoculated from speculation that the IQQ is of such importance lest we end up agreeing to subordinate white interests to those of Jews and East Asians.

The devious and too-clever Professor Paul Gottlieb wrote on TakiMag not so long ago that possibly an understanding of our IQs could provide the basis for white pride. Right, he’d be on the top end of the curve. And we’d be proud to be in the middle.

If we believe that “Ashkenazim Jews” and “East Asians” are, on average, smarter than we are, what on earth are we doing even talking about it. We need to be innoculated from speculation that the IQQ is of such importance lest we end up agreeing to subordinate white interests to those of Jews and East Asians.
-Posted by Stanley on Tuesday, August 5, 2008

If it’s true, it’s true.
The jihad against the truth is what has pushed IQ (and other race related) studies into the shadows to begin with.
-And if I’m not mistaken, these same IQ studies have shown that Whites have a higher percentage of very high IQ individuals, which would account for the greater contributions in science, engineering, art etc.. coming from Europeans (historically) than from jews and Asians put together-.

The IQ’s of blacks and mestizos (about 84 and 87 respectively) resides in an area that, prior to the PC age, was deemed mildly retarded.......which, needless, to say, is the most likely cause for their social and economic stagnation.
And the fact that two non-White groups (Asians and jews) reside at the top of the socioeconomic ladder in America serves as a rather blunt backhand to the accusations that the White Devil is out to keep the “minorities” down.

The need and right of each group to be able to fight for it’s own existence in it’s own society has nothing to do with IQ points though.
The problem is, Whites, alone of all the races, have been taught that their desire to survive is a grotesque evil, the amends of which can only be, that they hoist themselves and their posterity aloft the multicult’s cross and nail themselves to it…

Stanley wrote:

‘If we believe that “Ashkenazim Jews” and “East Asians” are, on average, smarter than we are, what on earth are we doing even talking about it. We need to be innoculated from speculation that the IQQ is of such importance lest we end up agreeing to subordinate white interests to those of Jews and East Asians.’<

IQ tests are valid measures of a central and essential aspect of intelligence - cognitive ability - but they do not measure intelligence as a whole. There are certain features of intelligence which appear to be somewhat independent of psychometric g - executive function, certain aspects of personality, memory, mathematical ability, etc. Whether or not Asian Mongolids are more intelligent than European Caucasoids is still an open question; that they have a slightly higher cognitive ability is beyond dispute. But cognitive ability is not synonymous with intelligence.

The 106+ average IQ obtained by the Japanese and Hong Kong Chinese may simply be the result of selective migration. The average IQ of East Asians as a whole is only 103.

Dear Melba, seeing a pitfall in the selection of issues we focus on is not an attack on “this site and its ideas.” I do believe that the focus on IQ (the IQ Question or IQQ for short) is problematic. There are so many other concepts to work on that it is a mystery to me why IQ is so important.

For example, many web sites focus on IQ, but none focuses on leadership efforts, education, or training in the Euro-American community which has a terrible problem with self-governance of our groups and committees.

For example, learning to make definite claims for a return of our rights of assembly, contract, and speech...how, when and where.

For example, sorting out issues as to whether they will advance white interests or just deny black or Jewish issues.

We humans generally obsess over the issues about which we are most insecure. Why IQ?

I sometimes wonder what the average Euro IQ would have been had we avoided the last two suicidal European Civil Wars and if the horrors of Bolshevism (and later, cultural Marxism) hadn’t plagued the West.  My genetics professor once had a bumper sticker on his car that read “war destroys chromosomes”.  The implication is that war destroys the hereditary possibilities of what might be - it destroys the raw material on which evolution may act.  What the bumper sticker fails to imply, however, is that extinction is a part of evolution - some genes on some chromosomes must disappear so that the gene frequency in a population may shift.  I have few doubts that the chromosomal extinctions resulting from World Wars I and II were mostly of a deleterious nature in our populations - as those unfit to serve in the military likely stayed home and procreated during the wars. 

Anyway, the point is that it doesn’t matter what the average IQs of various European populations are (as compared to other populations) at any given moment in history - it is interesting, and it reveals much about why we behave the way we do and why we have accomplished the things we have, but ultimately it is of little consequence.  The West is in a demographic slide, and even if the average Euro IQ approaches 100 today, in the future it may be 85...or 65 (think about who is probably still breeding amongst our continental kin).  On the other hand, as I wrote above, extinction provides an opportunity for evolution.  If in the face of our demise, those of us who understand why IQ is important, who understand the basics of population genetics, and who understand that every Euro child born amongst our group provides another hope for the genesis of a truly superior race of men (in other words, those who are likely already on the upper end of the IQ distribution) defy the trend and procreate like mad, spectacular traits (including unparallelled high average IQ) may evolve amongst us yet. 

In addition to the above thoughts, I think the IQ bell curve should be intentionally severed near the mean (or at least the lower quartile) amongst our people every few generations, resulting in a right skewed distribution that will approach normality over time.  The solution is, of course, a bit more nuanced than that (b/c of the principle of allocation among other things), but it is perhaps something to strive for.  And what of the lower end of the IQ spectrum?  Well, three possibilities exist.  1) Those people should be permitted one child per couple to reduce the frequency of unintelligent people in the population without removing all their potentially useful genetic diveristy, 2) they should be sterilized by the state for the good of the state - and freed from childrearing to contribute to society in other useful ways (not unlike worker ants in an ant colony) or 3) they should be used as surrogates for the offspring of those at the top.  Of course, this would only work if everyone in the society were “on the same page” philosophically and equally committed to such a transcendental project. 

I could go on about this, but I will conclude by saying that John de Nugent and others who are working in the U.S. on a Solutrean Solution to our demographic and cultural dilemmas are on the right path.  It is possible, of course, that we will enter a bottleneck before all this can be organized, but barring that, it is now our turn to be a people who shall dwell alone, and it is our turn to choose what we will bring on our nuclear ark.

“John de Nugent and others who are working in the U.S. on a Solutrean Solution” (—Cladrastis)

Fogive me, what’s that?

“It is possible, of course, that we will enter a bottleneck before all this can be organized”

Already entered, thanks to those who forced government-backed race-replacement upon us (take your pick as to who you think that was; I know who I think).  The question is, Which of our genetic correlation structures and co-adapted gene complexes will emerge in one piece at the other end?  A “bottleneck” means, by definition, some won’t, so a loss of a certain magnitude can’t be avoided where there’s a bottleneck:  it’s thermodnamics; no force in the universe can prevent it; it’s a done deal; it’s already begun; we’re in it. 

But also by definition, the alleles, genetic correlation structures and co-adapted gene complexes that end up getting preserved will include the most valuable, since (by defintion) they’re what successfully resisted group extinction:  the less valuable in that sense got sloughted off. 

We can, by enough of us refusing ever to bend to the will of our genocidal overlords, make it that the genetic capital that emerges at the other end of the bottleneck be as complete a set of that which entered as possible:  the people doing this aren’t holding a gun to anyone’s head — no one held a gun to Heidi Klum’s head.  On the contrary, the other side are playing the thermodynamics game too:  they know that a certain number of Heidi Klums are a mathematical certainty in a given population on which certain pressures and re-education/brainwashing/psy-ops/amygdala re-programming methods are brought to bear. 

We can’t do anything about the mathematically-certain fraction of our population that inevitably gets turned into slough, meaninglessness, and non-existence; we can only make certain we as individuals possessed of God-given free-will will never under any circumstances whatsoever be among them.

Forgive me, what’s that?

The video here,

http://video.google.com/videosearch?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&q=john de nugent&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#

and the last third of John de Nugent’s interview with Stanley Hess here,

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/eNationalist/2008/05/21/John-de-Nugent-Live

are specifically what I was referencing.

The other youtube videos from the conference at which JDN was speaking are also applicable.  My comments above about eugenics take the Solutrean Solution one step further, because in the process of forming a Solutrean folk, we will be participating intentionally in the founder effect - in terms of both heredity and culture - which will finally permit the possibility of eugenic improvements in our people.  Establishing a Solutrean identity is extremely important because it neutralizes the ability of our enemies to subvert the dialogue about who is or is not white or European American currently or historically (as that is not what we are talking about), and it unifies the various potentially competing Euro-American ethnic interest groups under one banner.  Also, it will allow us to sweep aside certain taboos of American culture (specifically the practice of eugenics), just as Mormonism swept aside the taboo of monogamy.  Finally, it allows us to identify ourselves based of whatever criteria we choose (initially these will be important, but as time passes, you will simiply be born a Solutrean or not - much like one is born a Parsi, Jew, or Hindu, or not).  And ideally, we will have a reputation for our large families, as the Mormons do today. 

With a new Solutrean identity, we can develop a uniquely Solutrean culture (a blend of the best aspects of Eastern and Western European cultures), and prepare to unify with our Euro brethren in Imperium as ethnic Europid equals.  If ever there were a time for such a movement, it is now.  Modern “culture” has left an identity vacuum on European derived peoples in the Americas.  Our history and cultures have been robbed from those of us educated in the public schools (and more often than not, raised by middle class deracinated parents); young people are looking for something to fill the gap.  Why not give them something constructive?  Why not give people the identity they are searching for - one without the hoakiness of “white nationalism” - an identity that is tied specifically to this land.  People want to be told who they are (the left call this the narrative) - and as ridiculous as it sounds, it is much easier to convince a person of something if you inject him into a story.  The Solutrean story began 17,000 years ago, resumed when our ancestors came back and reclaimed this land, and will be fulfilled when we recognize our role in it and reclaim our lost identity.  That makes for an interesting beginning…

Of course other races are naturally well off than others, but by intelligence? We can’t say that. IQ tests cannot measure intellect, I heard Richard Lynn created an IQ test to measure monkeys and apes. What we NEED is a test that can first pinpoint what intellect is without any flaws and a test derived to measure intelligence across races, languages and species.
I think the only way we can do this is through DNA, once we find out how there will be no challenge to the IQ test administered in this manner.

As IQ tests stand now they are flawed in more than one way and all they do is allow certain people to cherry pick test subjects so they can sell books. Ask Richard how much money he has made selling his “contraversal” book, then ask him what he bought with it.
I’m surprised HE’S not a Jew his manipulative antics are just as many would have you think all Jews are, and you people are just yucking it up as his and many others’ lap dogs.

If you think brain washing does not occur in the far right sector you have another thing coming, you are just as brainwashed as the lefties watching MTV Cribs, but neither of you want to admit it. Keep feeding their pockets, go make more donations to Don Black and Jared Taylor. Then watch as they try to make it seem that because they are “leaders” what they’re doing benefits your race. Such as Jared Table and his Asian obsessiveness.

These “leaders” and “Mr.s” and “PHDs” appeal continuously to the selfish basic human desire of feeling superior and you are failing as they get richer miserably, we’ll see who really benefits in the end and just how much these types care about saving the rest of us.

For all that IQ matters in our individual lives, our collectives are better served by developing other traits. That’s the problem with nationalists focusing too much on eugenics when our basic survival is still in question, cart-before horse…

These nationalists have it right: “many sons and lots of guns!” and “long live Pakistan!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xf62PKC5M

They’re none too bright, but they’re all set to outlive the Russian, Americans and British who tried and failed to conquer them.

“The need and right of each group to be able to fight for it’s own existence in it’s own society has nothing to do with IQ points though.
The problem is, Whites, alone of all the races, have been taught that their desire to survive is a grotesque evil, the amends of which can only be, that they hoist themselves and their posterity aloft the multicult’s cross and nail themselves to it…”

Have you folks read Christopher Jon Bjerkes “Saint Einstein”?
A clue as to how to achieve racial/cultural hegemony, is to do what the Juden did, as exemplified in this book.

http://www.jewishracism.com/

whitey is not the author of nature and therefore bares no responsibility for non-White failure.

And this is why guys like Jupiter (who strikes me as sane at times and unhinged at others - meds maybe?) are wrong in their rejection of the IQQ altogether; I find addressing the IQQ to be a moral imperative.

“We humans generally obsess over the issues about which we are most insecure. Why IQ?” —Stanley

Why do we “obsess” over IQ? Because by exposing the differences in mean IQ between the races, we can explain why different ethnic groups, or races, produce different levels of civilizations.

Eg. - IQ provides the most important variable as to explain why Western Europe and the U.S. developed into modern technological societies, guided by the rule of law ... while Sub-Saharan Africa remained in the stone-age, ruled by the law of the jungle.

It also provides the best counter argument against the insulated-argument, that being, the nature vs nurture dichotomy which the Left constantly throws in our face. They assert:  Heritability has nothing to do with variations in mean IQ between races. They insist that everyone accept their specious notion that enviornment is the main factor that determines IQ level.

Pointing out scientific evidence that reveals the connection between heritability and IQ, destroys the credibility of the doctrine that those on the Left so depend on. That being: White racism is responsible for black failure.

We all know how the Left loathes the truth—hence the persecution of those whom dare reveal the inconvenient truth that IQ is heritable ... and how the IQ of an individual strongly correlates with how successful, or unsuccessful, s/he will be in life. Or how mean IQ of a nation affects their overall culture and economic standard of living.

The following link provides an interesting discussion. It illustrates how the racial egalitarians get hysterical when heritability of IQ and race are mentioned in the same sentence:

http://www.eugenics.net/papers/mssel.html

“Part of the other side’s motivation in pushing race-mixing is to eliminate the inconvenient fact of inborn race differences in IQ and other embarrassments.”—Fred Scrooby

Exactly!

Too, if the____, along with their liberal-Gentile-accomplices, can deceive enough people of European decent into believing “race is only a social construct” or that enviornment is the main factor in determining IQ, and indoctrination of the Lewontin fallacy, etc. ...  this serves as their strategy to break down the White-races’ natural defences and motivation which function as the bulwark to protect our own EGI.

But once the motivation for the struggle for the survival of our race is neutralized or sufficiently weakened (as it currently, in large part, seems to be), it makes it all the more easy for the race-replacement advocates to perpetrate their vile, cunning, genocidal agenda against us.

“These tests are almost never conducted, instead they’re wholly based on a constructed formula and estimates.”

Just like political polling. Which, by the way, are almost always accurate.

Also GW, the preponderance of IQ data is in accord with the observed abilities of peoples to create and develop advanced cultures and technologies.

IQ’s proponents do not need to justify their claims that IQ tracks something important, it’s for IQ’s detractors to explain how it so accurately reflects real-world effects or to dismiss the advantages of reasoning.

The onus is on race+IQ’s deniers to explain how blacks are so woefully incapable if they are so intelligent.

As a result, Europeans are probably less courageous today than in 1908.

Hmm...that explains a lot.

To play devil’s advocate for a moment, what precludes epigenetic effects from the IQ nature-nurture debate?  After all, DNA methylation up and down regulates the expression of genes and is passed from parent to offspring, just as is half the genome.  In addition, changes in parental nutrition and behavior can alter this methylation in gametic cells, potentially permitting the expression of a greater number of genes for high intelligence.  Any thoughts?

Any thoughts?

should have read:

Any pertinent, direct, and logical counterarguments to the aforementioned criticism of hereditary determinism?