Fiji would be interesting as they are quite prosperous there

Razib
I have been into several Fijian Indian homes in my travels and, as you rightly say, their prosperity is relative.  The homes concerned were overcrowded shacks by western standards.  And outside Suva, the cities are very much like Indian ones.  It does seem that expatriate Indians are decidedly limited by the population they live among—which is not surprising.  But just about 100% of Fiji’s businessmen and professionals are Indians.

Richard Lynn two books:

1.  “IQ and Wealth of Nations:

2 “IQ and Global Inequality”

These two books have good discussions of issue.

With whites centered at 100 (one hundred).

Most of the world can be divided in five group.s

Jews @ 113 IQ.  Al Einstein and others.

East Asians @ 105 IQ

Euro-Whites @ 100 IQ

US blacks, Hispaics, Filipinos, Mexicans @ 85 IQ

Indians in India @ 80-83 IQ

Black Africans in Africa @ 70 IQ

Australian Aborinines @ 60 IQ

It’s the Truth. from over a 100 years of testing and data gathering.

Thank you, Professor Irwin Corey.  Superior wisdom, from a superior mind.

“Often I have seen the IQ tests and results are racially biased!”

This is a put-on, right?

<<<Indians in India @ 80-83 IQ

Black Africans in Africa @ 70 IQ

Australian Aborinines @ 60 IQ

It’s the Truth. from over a 100 years of testing and data gathering.

These numbers are absoulutely True and correct.

Ask yourself a simple question.  How did present day India, Pakistan, Bangledash and Burma be part of the British Empire until 1947? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sigh! Stats make the truth for this individual, when we all know how limited these studies are.  It is EASY to prove you wrong, Josh:

Fact #1: The Chinese empire was also brought down by the numerically smaller British, yet the IQ for Chinese is 100 (mean IQ), the same as whites. And some suggest their brains are larger (1400+ CC). 

The Japanese also badly lost to the Americans in WW2 despite surprise attacks and a militaristic culture (& govt.)....yet the Japanese have a HIGHER mean IQ than whites. (And no, it was not the nuclear bomb made by brilliant Jews that did the trick, it only hastened the surrender...)

Fact #2: In India, Indians were largely a divided people. It is not one nation, but several joined by political will. The British used a divide/conquer tactic UNTIL the Indians unified under the INC ( a political aegis) and the Muslim League to win political concessions leading to freeness.

Fact #3: There are over 40,000 castes and thousands of genetic pools due to castism, where people married within their own race and types for centuries. So there is NO one genetic racial pool.

Fact #4: In the UK, a researcher by the name of Lin found the mean IO of Indians to be around 97, which is a stone’s throw away from whites (IQ 100). SEE Fact #3 for the reason why, plus add environmental factors—also available in sophisticated urban regions in India like Bombay, Delhi, Calcutta, Bangalore, Madras, etc.

Fact #5: Bangalore is the hub of research investment in India, along with Hyderabad and other places. Several Western companies invest in R&D;in India for engineering, software production, and bio-technlogy. This implies that the thousands of engineers, etc, represent an IQ of 115 or greater in urban regions, SEE Fact #4 to indicate the reason why Indians can compete with whites in IQ.

Given the Bell Curve deviation, that means that an IQ of ~110 can be achieved by 10% or more the group.  More than 50 MILLION Indians live in Urban India, which makes a large number of them (several millions) probably quite competitive with whites, within 3 IQ points.

And this curve is actually erroneous, particularly amongst Indians due to the thousands of genetic pools caused by race intermixing and castes. So the intelligence levels can vary wildly.

As a FYI, to validate my points with hard stats:

FYI#1:
I am an Indian, my tested IQ is 130. I have two university degrees from the United States. So much for “mean IQ” - it is NOT applicable for complex racial mixes like Indians. I gave the reason in Fact #3.

FYI#2:
My friends (Indians of brown as well as wheat complexion) tested in the range of 120-136. One of them is a highly successful engineer (just think of the math used in that subject) with a Masters degree from the US - something impossible at at 80-90 IQ level.

FYI#3:
Amongst Africans (Negro race), Caribbean blacks have studied at higher levels of education than whites in percentage (%) terms by a HUGE margin. So....there are thousands of gene pools in Africa and elsewhere as well, which is why some blacks graduate from college - not possible with a 70-80 IQ range. The IQ level would have to boost to closer to 100-110 for the feat.

Your truth needs a lot of correcting, Josh. Almost all my classmates at school got a Master’s degree from the USA, indicating an IQ capacity of 110-120. Almost all my roomates in Dekalb, Illinois, were Indians in engineering programs at the grad level (so IQ ought to be 110+), which is highly math oriented.

Presently there are over 70,000 Indians who came from India to the US for studies, most at the graduate level - and largely in technology coursework involving math and hard science. They need to pass tough exams like GRE (a full math & logic exam lasting several hours), GMAT for business students (which I did myself, and it is long work), and English tests (TOEFL etc).

All this is NOT possible with an 80-90 IQ. Kapish?

1.  What is the Truth?

2.  What we wish the Truth to be?

James D. Watson tells the Truth.
Just because we wished does not make Trut.
All we have to do is look at the Native poplulation of the world.

Google the Native populatio the world.

Jews @ 113 IQ

East Asians in china, korea, japan @ 105 + IQ

Euro -Whites in Europe, North America, australia @ 100 IQ

u.s. blacks, mexicans, philipinos @ 85 IQ

India @ 82 IQ

Africa @ 70.

Australian Aborigines @ 60 IQ

China @ 105, Europe @ 100 IQ India @ 82.

Just because we want people to be smart does Not make them smart.
Just becasue I want to win the lottery does Not make me win the lottery next wee.
An individual IQ is meaningless.  You got to test 500, 5000 or 10000 to get a True IQ number for the population

Read
1.  IQ and Wealth of Nations
2.  IQ and Global Inequality

Tatu Vanhanen is the father of the Prime Minister of Finland.  Not a comic book, fantay book.  The books is about the search for Truth.

There is a big difference between

1.  What we wish the world to be.
2.  What is the Real truth about the real-world

If I were betting on it I would say , if they were raised in stimulating environment, that there IQ is close to white mean of 100.

I would also bet that they have behavioural differences that make them lazier(work ethic) and are less altruistic that Europeans causing them to have an underdeveloped third world infrastructure.

I have difficulty believing Gordon’s letter, which reveals an ignorance of the most basic statistical notions assumed in discussions such as these, was written by a university-level math teacher.  It would be astounding if it were, and this teacher must in such a case be incompetent.  Therefore I doubt the writer is being truthful.  Now, there’s also something unsatisfactory about the prose style of this letter, an awkwardness of a certain sort — not to mention this glaring gaffe, “score fulls of Caucasians” where of course a native English-speaker would’ve said “scores of Caucasians” — that makes me suspect Gordon is foreign, not a native speaker.  I’d guess he’s a Subcon, perhaps attending college in the States although his lack of the most elementary notions of statistical reasoning would be surprising in a college student.  He’s certainly no math major, a flat-out impossibility for that reason.

Gordon is an Indian name. Like a typical Indian, Gordon lies and twists to brag how bright Indians are. I have been working in India for past 15 years and witness myself how primitive, filthy and low IQ an average India is. For one thing, Indian normally use bare hands for food without washing. I am not talking about bread. They rake for food in soup with their bare hands. They also do not use toilet paper! They use their bare hands too for wiping their a$$! If you see a basin of water in front of an India toilet, stay away!

1.  Nobel prizes.  All east asians of chinese descent have won their Nobel Prizes while working in USA-based universities.

True.  they did win their Nobel prize, but not working in china.

2. The barbaric Imperial exams stunted science for hundreds. Rote-memorization of confucius stunted all creativity. 

Confucius made china-chinese into mindless-zombie idiots. goole confucius, imperial exams. 

Imperial government was abolished in 1911.

1911-2011, 100 years without a backward, primative government.

3.  china has Hanzi- primative, barbarcic writing system invented by the devil himself.  3000-4000 characters just to read the newsapapers.  what about an alphabet. 

abcdefghijklmnipqrstuvwxyz.  goole alphabet

The whole earth is now using a alphabet-based system.

or numbers 0123456789

4.  Now in the age of science-tech, google, yahoo, 21st. century flat-world, digital-world. we all know the truth.

5.  Before 1945, world war II, japanese and germans can send army to invade another. Nations. Japan bombed pearl harbor.  usa dropped two atomic bombs on japan. 

Hiroshima obsoleted invasion by large armies.  There will be economic competition, tech, cultural competition among nations, among companies, among individuals, but there will be invasions by the japanese or germans.

6. Once china terminates, kills confucius, Hanzi, crap-zi, boy-emperor, foot-binding, religion, all of the ugly, primative, feudal past.  and ccp (kommunist party), china will be a great nation again.

Nguyen is a vietnamese name, they are the dirtiest shithole on earth, they smell of shit and seafood, they represents the poorest people in the western world. I have not seen them using any toilet paper either, becuse they eat shit. They eat raw seafood and crawling reptiles still very primitive. Chinese, vietnamese, malaysians, koreans, all come from third world countries, their claim to higher intelligence is hallucinatory and come out of inferiority complex, they are more closely related to Orungutans a primate just like Africans are closely related to chimpanzees and gorillas.
Nguyen should have to see and Orangutan to see the reflection of his face, he would never resent looking to the mirror instead. Also these east Asians are characterised by smallest of penis on the planet, all Chinese girls run towards westerners, Middle eastern and Indians to get sexual satisfaction, leaving there male Orangutans.

By the way there are Four Billionare Indians in the top 10 Billionaires in the world and not a single orangutan (east Asian) so you can see yourself who has the higher IQ!!

India is the world’s largest, oldest, continuous civilization.
India never invaded any country in her last 10000 years of history.
India is the world’s largest democracy.
Varanasi, also known as Benares, was called “the ancient city” when Lord Buddha visited it in 500 B.C.E, and is the oldest, continuously inhabited city in the world today.
India invented the Number System. Zero was invented by Aryabhatta.
The World’s first university was established in Takshashila in 700BC. More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4th century BC was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in the field of education.
Sanskrit is the mother of all the European languages. Sanskrit is the most suitable language for computer software - a report in Forbes magazine, July 1987.
Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans. Charaka, the father of medicine consolidated Ayurveda 2500 years ago. Today Ayurveda is fast regaining its rightful place in our civilization.
Although modern images of India often show poverty and lack of development, India was the richest country on earth until the time of British invasion in the early 17th Century. Christopher Columbus was attracted by India’s wealth.
The art of Navigation was bornin the river Sindhu 6000 years ago. The very word Navigation is derived from the Sanskrit word NAVGATIH. The word navy is also derived from Sanskrit ‘Nou’.
Bhaskaracharya calculated the time taken by the earth to orbit the sun hundreds of years before the astronomer Smart. Time taken by earth to orbit the sun: (5th century) 365.258756484 days.
The value of pi was first calculated by Budhayana, and he explained the concept of what is known as the Pythagorean Theorem. He discovered this in the 6th century long before the European mathematicians.
Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from India. Quadratic equations were by Sridharacharya in the 11th century. The largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Hindus used numbers as big as 10**53(10 to the power of 53) with specific names as early as 5000 BCE during the Vedic period. Even today, the largest used number is Tera 10**12(10 to the power of 12).
IEEE has proved what has been a century old suspicion in the world scientific community that the pioneer of wireless communication was Prof. Jagdish Bose and not Marconi.
The earliest reservoir and dam for irrigation was built in Saurashtra.
According to Saka King Rudradaman I of 150 CE a beautiful lake called Sudarshana was constructed on the hills of Raivataka during Chandragupta Maurya’s time.
Chess (Shataranja or AshtaPada) was invented in India.
Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he and health scientists of his time conducted complicated surgeries like cesareans, cataract, artificial limbs, fractures, urinary stones and even plastic surgery and brain surgery. Usage of anesthesia was well known in ancient India. Over 125 surgical equipment were used. Deep knowledge of anatomy, physiology, etiology, embryology, digestion, metabolism, genetics and immunity is also found in many texts.
When many cultures (Anglo Saxons, Germans, French) were only nomadic forest dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan culture in Sindhu Valley (Indus Valley Civilization).
The four religions born in India, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism, are followed by 25% of the world’s population.
The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100 BC.
India is one of the few countries in the World, which gained independence without violence.
India has the second largest pool of Scientists and Engineers in the World.
India is the largest English speaking nation in the world.
India is the only country other than US and Japan, to have built a super computer indigenously.
In 2008 India currently has 4 dollar Billionaires in the top ten super rich Forbes billionaire list more than United States or any other country in the world.

The IQ scores are not the benchmark in the determining the national IQ, the result can be manipulated and altered to give certain countries a significant advantage over others, especially in the western world which suffers from skin colour bias. These IQ scores can be used to reject people with dark skin in preference to light skin by assuming that they are of lower IQ. Chinese are light skin and are more acceptable to white men especially the chinese girls which are softer target for western males because of their stronger tilt towards multiple sexual partners. These IQ scores are nothing but a form of scientific racism, a old wine in a new bottle, to practice racism with a reason and even get a legal recognition for their evil deeds. You go and check the IQ score of a rural poor who are illiterate and malnourished and brand whole country as of lower IQ is nothing but a consiparacy by the racist west. The literacy rates in rural India are much lower than literacy rates in rural China, that can possibly explain the low IQ scores. The IQ scores are more relevant in the countries where there is less social divide between the socio-economic condition of the urban middle class and rural populace.

Him,

East Asians never said they were the most intelligent race and the most highly evolved race in the world.It was Western European Anthropologists and Scientists who said that,so please complain to these western european scientists instead of yelling insults atEast Asians for something they never wrote.

Books that claim east asian intelligence and evolutionary superiority were all written by Europeans:

“IQ and the Wealth of Nations 2002” is written Dr. Richard Lynn, Professor Emeritus of Psychology at the University of Ulster, Northern Ireland, and Dr. Tatu Vanhanen, Professor Emeritus of Political Science at the University of Tampere, Tampere, Finland.

“IQ and Global Inequality” 2006 was written by Dr. Richard Lynn, Professor Emeritus of Psychology at the University of Ulster, Northern Ireland, and Dr. Tatu Vanhanen, Professor Emeritus of Political Science at the University of Tampere, Tampere, Finland.

“Race, Evolution, and Behavior: A Life History Perspective (3rd Edition)”
by J. Philippe Rushton.

You are extremely ignorant to state that ‘Chinese and Koreans’ live in ‘Third World’ Countries.It only shows your lack of intelligence.Perhaps you should read a book or even wikipedia,before making such outrageous claims.

‘Chinese’ countries like Taiwan(Republic of China),Singapore and Hong Kong are ‘First World Nations’ ‘Industrialised Developed Country’.
South Korea is also a first-world Nation, ‘Industrialised Advanced Economy’.

The ‘Four Asian Tigers’ (the only developed countries in Asian Continent outside Japan) are all East Asian countries- South Korea,Singapore,Taiwan and Hong Kong.Perhaps you should read up on the ‘Four Asian Tigers’.

Vietnamese are not East Asians,they are South East Asians.Do you even know the difference? East Asians are Han Chinese,Japanese and Korean only.

And no,East Asians do not run to White,Middle Eastern or Indian men for ‘so-called’ satisfaction.As an East Woman myself,I can honestly say 95% of East Asian woman strictly go for East Asian Men.The East Asian woman who date non-East Asian men are either (1)Not desirable among East Asian men hence are forced to look elsewhere for a partner, or (2)Grew up in a Western country and a have a Western mindset (3) Hookers

IQ test (like any other test) results have a lot to do with how the tested subject is programmed academically and culturally. A more educated person should have a better result.

They should do some research on separated twins at very young ages.

For curiosity, I had rushed through an IQ test before. I got 135. On a different day and a different test, I could get a much better or worse score. Intelligence is very hard to measure. Any measurement has limitations.

For curiosity, I had rushed through an IQ test before. I got 135.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QoA44c23A

If you had been to India, had lived among Indians, and witnessed masses of the physically weak, mentally slow and disease ridden Indians in Slumbai, Bangalore, Madras, and Calcutta, you would have known that India will be the biggest liability of the earth. India has largest number of Aids infected, an ever increasing population, badly polluted environment, and depleted resources. With her government too incompetent to reverse these adversaries, India is a disaster in the making. It is NOT the low IQ that will doom India stupid! It is the Indian explosive breed like rabbit. If you were an Indian patriot, you should stop all these delusional ego-kissing hype and go back to the basics of growth control of India population!

Although some of the data is a little old, this link shows rankings in several categories by ethnicity (complied by Arthur Hu).

http://www.arthurhu.com/INDEX/overrep.htm

When u discuss India, it is unfair to lump extremely diversified Indians as a single race especially when u cover the topic of average IQ. In addition, India is governed by hundreds of thousands of castes and sub-cultures. We have some very intelligent castes in the North and also have some low IQ castes in the South. Indians comprise of many different racial and genetic traits because of her histories. India was once conquered by Arabian. The Arabians mixed with local women and left behind the religion and genie pool. Turkey also conquered India and forced with locals and again left its genetic trails. Persians also invaded India and mixed with local women and had their decedents in India. So did Afghanistan. Even Mongols conquered India and mixed with local women. Now, India has oriental looking Indians. Only Aryans invading did not force issues with local women and maintained the different genetic traits.

In short, u have to differentiate highly intelligent high caste Northern like Northern Brahmins from low IQ southern low caste Dravidians. However, I do worry that lowly southern Dravidians outbreed Northern high castes and will further bring down India average IQ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_mathematics

Fields of Indian mathematics
Some of the areas of mathematics studied in ancient and medieval India include the following:

Arithmetic: Decimal system, Negative numbers (see Brahmagupta), Zero (see Hindu-Arabic numeral system), the modern positional notation numeral system, Floating point numbers (see Kerala School), Number theory, Infinity (see Yajur Veda), Transfinite numbers, Irrational numbers (see Sulba Sutras)
Geometry: Square roots (see Bakhshali approximation), Cube roots (see Mahavira), Pythagorean triples (see Sulba Sutras; Baudhayana and Apastamba state the Pythagorean theorem without proof), Transformation (see Panini), Pascal’s triangle (see Pingala)
Algebra: Quadratic equations (see Sulba Sutras, Aryabhata, and Brahmagupta), Cubic equations (see Mahavira and Bhaskara), Quartic equations (biquadratic equations; see Mahavira and Bhaskara)
Mathematical logic: Formal grammars, formal language theory, the Panini-Backus form (see Panini), Recursion (see Panini)
General mathematics: Fibonacci numbers (see Pingala), Earliest forms of Morse code (see Pingala), Logarithms, indices (see Jaina mathematics), Algorithms, Algorism (see Aryabhata and Brahmagupta)
Trigonometry: Trigonometric functions (see Surya Siddhanta and Aryabhata), Trigonometric series (see Madhava and Kerala School)

Interesting articles on how China is outperforming India on almost every meaningful measure of social and economic progress:

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Life_expectancy
http://www.rediff.com/money/2005/sep/27china.htm

I want both India and China to do well. I have never heard a Chinese disparage India’s efforts to improve themselves. But plenty of Indians seem to dislike the Chinese resurgence. I do not want to put India down, but if attacked - hence the articles at the links above. Indians get real. You are going nowhere with that backward, immoral Hindu religion. The Chinese at least had the gumption to get rid of foot-binding, landlordism, and feudal superstitions. This could only have happened under a communist government.

“The world moves forward towards globalization and you sit behind the cloak of anonymity that the internet offers you , taking snide shots at each others ‘genetic pools’ and ‘races’. Do you guys realize how stupid you sound?”

Anonymity - the good old double standard rears its head. If I as a white person in a white country, the US, Europe etc say I want white people to remain a majority I run the risk of prosecution, accusations of racism, facism, nazism, loss of employment. You as a non-white can pop up in our territory and happily cheer on the day that we will be a minority or even cease to exist, even organize political groups to that end (eg La Raza in the US) and suffer what penalty? Nothing as far as I can see. So you can take your anonymity and shove it.

Internet - the one that our people conceived, designed, built and implemented and now see used by the likes of you.  We’ll do what we like with our internet thanks, you go and start your own from scratch.

“The world moves forward towards globalization”

So, remind me, how is that African immigration into India coming along? After all African labour is even cheaper than Indian, I really cant see what the hold up is. The Indian government wouldnt be so stupid and racist as not allow anyone to settle based on trivialities like race, IQ, culture etc.

“what is the big deal about IQ anyways? The test is heavily biased and proves nothing in real life”

Im glad you mentioned that Mr 143 IQ, it certainly removes the single flimsy justification for us importing you into our territory.

Lurker, I did not understand your comments!

First, how does anonymity and the issue of white majority relate? The political organisation is real. They are not anonymous.

Second, Internet. If you so much wish to use only your internet, please do so. Stop using products of Google, Sun, Microsoft, Amazon, Target, Alcatel-Lucent, Motorola, Bell, Texas Instruments etc. ;all those companies whose research and development is done in India. Go back to your internet of 1995. By the way, where do you think the internet was developed? US? Check out what CERN is all about. Thanks to those guys for the internet. We are grateful and we will happily use it, irrespective of some lurkers objections.

Third, Globalisation. We have enough number of people in our own country and the competition is too huge for the africans to survive.

Finally, there are enough Indians who DONOT wish to migrate, and so the companies themselves migrate to India. Globalisation is here and it is here to stay!

I am an Indian, work in UK.

Indeed Whites or may be Brits have the highest IQ, since they ruled almost every part of the world except Japan.

1. Why did 2 out of 2 world wars fought in Europe?
2. UK is now full of immigrants from 3rd world?
3. I cant find a white doctor in NHS.
4. Why do they need low IQ people like me to work fro them?
5. What is UK’s source of income other than VAT and TAX (I wonder how long the loot will last which they stole from every country they ruled)
6. why is every electrical/electronic product has made in china label and ever garment has been either imported from India / Pak or other Asian (3rd world) countries.
7. why is UK and US Citizens are so scared of immigrants and they worry about their very existence?

Who are Americans? Native Red Indians no longer exist in huge numbers.

Rest were English criminals who were sent to American Land. Australians are they any different from them ?

Indeed Brits have a highest IQ because they know how to divide and rule, and professors of corruption which they have taught to 3rd world. No wonder Indians were their best students.

What does India/ china export products, garments, software and TALK of-course (call centers)?
And what does US Exports Military Hardware ? Thanks to them for introducing a newer form on 21st century imperialism over Fuel.
Do we know any single war in the last 110 years where US was not involved?

Indeed UK and US Nationals have greater IQ than the rest of the world.

Once India was Gold (not golden) sparrow and now what it has become .. thanks to high (very) IQ of Brits

Anyone who has paranoia should seek a help of a psychiatrist (Please see a US or UK Born doctor next time), careful of Low IQ-ed Indian Docs.

hi all,, this is an interesting topic........

i am a chinese kid around 18 years old, and my college here got around 50 other overseas chinese kid and about 30-40 indian who are studying A-level currently, the total number of pupil of the whole college is around 300
...
there is a math competition held through the whole nation called “The UK senior math challenge” actually it is kinda iq test

i have been here for 3 years, and every year i looked the top 100 pupils, and i was amazed by the names on the list… around 20-30 pupil are chinese, how come there are so many chinese while the chinese pupil papulation in uk school is about 0.0001%?

by the way, i dont really rely on NHS, simply because there are so many Indian doctors, i am afraid their mis-diagnose..  white doctors are good though, but too few of them

i can see lots of stuffs are made in china here, partly it is due to cheap labor ,secondly it is chinese are more skillful and fast learning.... but where is the inidan thing?

the truth is china is now fully technologically restricted, everything have to do by themselves ...otherwise many europeans will lose their job now....
in contrast, india is fully technologically unrestricted, but why didnt they can make a fully functioned tank?

the only thing that chinese failed is the english language, chinese english is not as good as the indian in our college, partly bacause chinese kids have been learning it for 2 or 3 years, while the indian are born here

India is no match of China, whether you like it or not ,it is the truth,,, please you ppl dont put them together comparing each other.....

china has dominated fields of techology and art before 1600 AD, but surpassed by the british impire about 1800 AD ... THIS IS because the british went industrialisation, while the chinese went central planning and stronger bureaucratism which didnt encourage techology inventions and science developments

anyway, let’s see what china will become in 20-30 years , and india.......
which will prove the IQ theory is true…

my only hopes are there are no wars and earthquakes..................

peace

Dear author of blog post,

You are indeed correct with your assumption that the IQ score for India is probably incorrect and likely due to external factors.  In fact, Lynn himself did a recent study of South Asians in the United Kingdom and found an average of 95, higher for Indians but lower for Pakistanis.  So Indians were around 100, Pakistanis around 90.  My own studies of Indians in the United States show an IQ that’s even higher - however these are not your average Indians.  The immigration policy of United States brings more bright and talented Indians so they have become the State’s most talented minority, but do not represent the average Indian.  The United Kingdom estimate seems more realistic because the U.K. immigration brings more average Indians into the country.  That’s why normal Pakistanis in the U.K. do poorly, but the Indians still do very well.  For example, they score second highest on GSCE exams (after the Chinese).  This supports the estimate mentioned above.

We can also use Singapore to estimate Indians average IQ.  Indians in Singapore are mostly those who came as laborers, brought in by the British, just like the Chinese.  The measured IQ of Chinese in Singapore is 108, and Malays have a score of 92.  Indians, in all socioeconomic factors, are between the Chinese and Malays, usually inching towards the Chinese.  While they have very high incomes and education rates, their actual examination (test) scores are in the middle between the Chinese and Malays.  So that would enable us to estimate an IQ of around 100 or so.  This matches the earlier estimate.  Of course, India has many ethnic groups.  In my view, Muslim Indians tend to do the worst while Parsees do the best.  Overall, South Indians (darker) do better than North Indians (lighter) but not by much.

The country itself will lag behind China in potential because China is a very uniform country while India is a patched up place of hundreds of different interest groups to fulfill.

-Takahata Joe

The blatant racism on this page is ridiculous! Is it really possible for Africans to have an IQ of 60, when considering that an IQ of 78 is classified as mentally retarded?

That should be, “There’s no contradiction ...”

Dear “dumbindian”

If you have an opinion, why hide behind a false identity to say it?

In my opinion, I agree with the original poster of this article that I see no lack of IQ potential from Indians, unlike, say, Africans.  I don’t believe they have the same overall average as East Asians (around 106), but their more pronounced variance can be an advantage.

Wow! I just stumbled upon this blog. What is it? Is the new Chinese government propaganda website? Why do the Chinese fear the Indians so much? There seems to be a tremendous inferiority complex going on here. You don’t have to worry my Chinese friends, we Americans will import enough Chinese toys and furnitures to keep you fed. Just don’t go on a brag-trip and tell everyone how smart you are because this website is a testimony to the contrary.Also, for the Indian bloggers on this website, restrict yourselves to solving mathematical problems, designing computer softwares and on answering phone calls. That is your specialization at this point, any argument you guys try to make on this blog does not sound as eloquent or compulsive.

kid-1 wrote
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the only thing that chinese failed is the english language, chinese english is not as good as the indian in our college, partly bacause chinese kids have been learning it for 2 or 3 years, while the indian are born here
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In Singapore, where the Chinese have 108IQ ( highest among chinese ) and the chinese have been in singapore for 100 years just like the low caste Indian diaspora in Singapore
The low caste singapore Indian diaspora beats the chinese in English

La Griffe Du Lion has an article where he shows that verbal IQ of east asians is 4 less than whites,
whereas upper caste Indians are trilingual and most of the wall street Analyst jobs have gone to India
Most white collar jobs from call centers to software to general purpose white collar has started to migrate to India

Google up Offshoring and India

Costas “Is the new Chinese government propaganda website?”

Indians all over the world are lack of confidence…

This IQ stuff is written by the white. Are you telling us the Chinese has commanded European Counries? LOL!

him bhai .. are you indian or aryan??  dont bring up aryan theory for real desis .. we should avoid the white supremacy aryan theory. they are the ones who destroyed our ancient civilization..(harappan /indus) aryans were nomadic worriers .. they were like the mongols of the medieval era… u know the mongols re-painted even the ancient iranian chronicle with east asian faces(they are lucky because it happned in the recent years..and could correct well in time).. the same happned to india long long time ago and we never know what was the reality ... the aryans worshped natural forces..and brought in some mythology but there is no proof that hindu culture was something invented by them.  besides no one will accept you as aryan(except for few afghan looking minority) .. why to be a follower .. we are indians ..  today indians are catching up ... and we dont trust the white IQ theories ..these are all memdia stunts !!

“We [Subcontinental] brown people are the most peaceful race on this earth!! everyone talk shit about darker people .. just because brown people never committed any attrocities to the humanity in the entire history of human civilization. [...] Northern india Hindu Barbarians [...] improved after interaction with the peaceful brown people” (—Mammu)

Mammu, what color are the Tamil Tigers?

[Oh ... those links just above?  Just ignore them, they weren’t supposed to be in there.  How’d they get in there??  Don’t click on those, ignore them, OK, they’re not important, don’t read them.]

Right, now ... where were we? ...

... Oh yes, now I remember, I was asking what color, or what shade, dark or light, the Tamil Tigers were ... Any idea? .... If you need to look it up it’s OK, I’ll wait .....was just curious, go ahead .....

Fred you must be a disguise of a north barbarian or a white supremacist who tried to prove all the cool things that happned on te earth were initiated by whites!! hitler formed a team of scholars to research in greece to cliam they were actully from german… the fact is original elite smart greeks had already become turks!! .. so you tell me what is the need for you to prove the barbarians to be smart people.. in that case you should also prove the turks are the smartest people..  i feel pity to see the double standard of the white scholars… i tell you majority of the turks are greek population ... u better accept them as whites.  now regarding color ... u must have the sense of average .. i dont project tamil but average indian ....  observe bengal/maharstra/MP/...... majority are brown .  99% of the talented indians are dark.. 99% parasitic indians are fair skinned. facts can not be changed!!

Mammu, we know that brown people can be smart and pale people can be barbarians.  We just don’t want to get changed into brown people by the present unregulated immigration policies and the array of laws that go with them, laws whose effect is government-enforced artificial elevation of browns over whites in whites’ own countries.  We don’t like that.  We’re not trying to put browns down but if we get angry enough we won’t care what we say and it’ll seem as if we are.

Now, that seems simple enough to understand but right at about this stage in the conversation, the stage where someone on our side says what I just did, namely we don’t have anything against other races, we just don’t want to get changed into them, the member of the other race we’re talking to begins questioning the legitimacy of that next, namely our preferring to remain our own race, unmixed.  If you’re now going to start doing that, Mammu, you’ll persuade no one here, so save your breath.

“You are spending plenty of time trying to convince us that we’re all part of a barbaric race, so that would seem to imply that you support racial separatism.” (—Darren)

Darren makes a good point, which often gets made, in one form or another, by people on our side — if we’re barbaric, Mammu, you should agree with our keeping apart:  a person doesn’t normally wish to mix with barbarians.

Fred , Darren ..i didnt mean to target white ... i never talked about the real whites ... i have been been talking about these bogus whites .. who are irresponsible to the extend that they hate to accept what they actually are. i’m brown ..u can say light in the indian perspective… i know u people like purity .. what about we people who are already mixed .. i’m trying tomake a point that both blaclk and white component in me deserves equal reward without any of which my type never would have existed..  but majority of my type prefer to affilate themselves to white and it’s an obstacle in uniting our society.  partially this is due to publicized aryan thmeory ..which originated during the british colonial time… those days were the days of white supremacist .. these days whites are the most rational people… atleast in those days the indus civilization was forcefully attributed to the aryan theory… our society fell apart competing to be the coolest race .. but now we know that indus civilization didnt belong to aryans ... but by now the aryan theory has become so popular that even 5 year old kid knows about it. 

the problem is incomplete knowledge !! anyone who has partial knowledge of history will be biased .. but once we dig deeper ..we realize that every race has something to be proud about at some point of time in the history.  the mayans , egyptian , mesopotamia , indus , chinese ,greek , roman , british empire , the current civilization dominated by northern european origin… none of them are supreme beings ... it’s matter of time window ... today white people are the focus point ... it could be the black people after 1000 years!

btw beauty is matter of soft power .. it primarily comes from prosperity and well being.. i’m sure if blacks would have been very prosperous , well groomed and whites would have been poor, rugged like the afghan people beuty would have been defined by the standard of black people.  of course we must accept the current reality the....whites are the most civilized race as of today! but i’m not someone who would affilate myself to white.. because i believe in inherent objective property of human… surely i would have been a pro-white if i would have lived in an era when blacks would have been practicing supremacy over whites.

It’s an interesting topic!

I’ve never taken the whole IQ thing too seriously, but I do think that it raises some interesting points. Taken together with other test results such as science and math Olympiad can give us an interesting look into ‘IQ’ as a whole thing.

The East Asians indeed did very well in math and science competitions. Indians perform far less than expected, frequently fall behind Iran, and even Vietnam. Many Indians tend to find excuses for this shortcoming by pointing to poverty and cultural differences. But we’re all know that Vietnam is a poor country, ravaged by wars, manage to outscore India in almost every Olympiad while Vietnam population is only 1/13 of India!. So what’s the culprit? It’s IQ indeed!

By the way, if you don’t like Lynn’s study, there are many opposing and independent researchers on races and IQ.. one come to mind is Robert Lindsay, he pointed out many holes in Lynn’s theory, and also confirm many of Lynn’s findings.  Google “robert Lindsay IQ”