What be da brothas and sistas up to?
Question: What do you think the African-American ladies and African-American gentlemen are doing in the picture shown below?
Answer: Taking advantage of the devastation wrought by hurricane Katrina...by looting a grocery store!
The story:
Reports of looting in New Orleans
Mon Aug 29 2005 22:37:31 ET
Police with automatic weapons were called to patrol a grocery store after looters went on a rampage, WWL-TV reports.
Police with automatic weapons were called to patrol a grocery store after looters went on a rampage there, grabbing groceries and ripping apart ATMs. The pharmacy was ransacked and merchandise was thrown all around the store.
Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour said looting will not be tolerated in his state.
“I have instructed the highway patrol and the National Guard to treat looters ruthlessly,” Barbour said. “Looting will not be not be tolerated and rules of engagement will be as aggressive as the law allows.”
Check out the following screen captures of a video shot by a TV cameraman, which show the looting to be a family affair; the black children learning how to be a model citizen from their elders:
See the video by clicking here; the video clearly shows what the report above omits, namely that the looters are black.
Pathetic Negroes! They can’t even restrain themselves when tragedy strikes. It is not that American Negroes are starving; visit any Winn-Dixie store in the Southern U.S. and you will see a huge number of grotesquely obese Negroes such as the examples below, and these Negroes pay for their shopping cart—overflowing with bacon, fried chicken, etc.—with food stamps to boot!
Now, how does one explain widespread looting of a grocery store by [American] blacks who typically have plenty to eat and are often overfed, especially how they can do something like this without any concern that they will be adding to the devastating damage/losses caused by hurricane Katrina?
Updates (Aug 31):
Negroes taking as much loot as they can:
Negroes, disproportionately afraid of water and unable to swim, take to water like a duck to loot as much as possible:
Of course, a Negro couldn’t give up an opportunity to stack up with malt liquor for free:
Negroes driving away with a precious loot of cases of beer in what appears to be a stolen car:
Excerpts from AP writer Allen G. Breed:
In some cases, looting on Tuesday took place in full view of police and National Guard troops.
One man with an armload of clothes even asked a policeman, “can I borrow your car?”
What is a stronger word than chutzpah?
Around the corner on Canal Street, the main thoroughfare in the central business district, people sloshed headlong through hip-deep water as looters ripped open the steel gates on the front of several clothing and jewelry stores.
Looters filled industrial-sized garbage cans with clothing and jewelry and floated them down the street on bits of plywood and insulation as National Guard lumbered by.
At a Walgreen’s drug store in the French Quarter, people were running out with grocery baskets and coolers full of soft drinks, chips and diapers.
When police finally showed up, a young boy stood in the door screaming, “86! 86!” - the radio code for police - and the crowd scattered.
Denise Bollinger, a tourist from Philadelphia, stood outside and snapped pictures in amazement. “It’s downtown Baghdad,” the housewife said. “It’s insane. I’ve wanted to come here for 10 years. I thought this was a sophisticated city. I guess not.”
New Orleans a sophisticated city? Denise, are you insane? New Orleans is at least two-thirds black!
Some in the crowd splashed into the waist-deep water like giddy children at the beach.
No doubt jubilant, thanks to all the looting opportunities.
And, what are whites doing?
More disturbing news:
Children’s Hospital under siege
Tuesday, 11:45 p.m.
Late Tuesday, Gov. Blanco spokeswoman Denise Bottcher described a disturbing scene unfolding in uptown New Orleans, where looters were trying to break into Children’s Hospital.
Bottcher said the director of the hospital fears for the safety of the staff and the 100 kids inside the hospital. The director said the hospital is locked, but that the looters were trying to break in and had gathered outside the facility.
The director has sought help from the police, but, due to rising flood waters, police have not been able to respond.
Bottcher said Blanco has been told of the situation and has informed the National Guard. However, Bottcher said, the National Guard has also been unable to respond.
Sick!
Further updates (Sep 1):
When I first posted this news item, it was premature for Negroes to be looting food, although given the eventual flooding of most of the city, it would make sense for people to resort to stealing food and water for survival, as some apologists for black behavior in New Orleans have started to point out, but it would be interesting to have these apologists try to explain looted items such as alcoholic beverages, clothing, jewelry, shoes, sporting goods, guns, electronic equipment, DVDs and anything else the Negroes could get their hands on, in addition to wanton destruction of property while looting, looting of nursing homes and hospitals, and all this to such a large extent that it prompted city officials to make quelling the anarchy the top priority instead of rescuing people. The apologists also need to explain the following.
Excerpts from an MSNBC report:
Storm victims were raped and beaten, fights and fires broke out, corpses lay out in the open, and rescue helicopters and law enforcement officers were shot at as parts of hurricane-flooded New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday.
National Guardsmen poured in to help restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire that have gripped New Orleans in the days since Hurricane Katrina plunged much of the city underwater.
“We are out here like pure animals. We don’t have help,” the Rev. Issac Clark, 68, said outside the New Orleans Convention Center, where corpses lay in the open and evacuees complained that they were dropped off and given nothing — no food, no water, no medicine.
Well, Rev. Clark, the Negroes are behaving like wild animals, and their wild behavior is hampering rescue efforts, as is additionally evident from the following statements from the same MSNBC report above.
A military helicopter tried to land at the convention center several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away.
Across New Orleans, rescuers themselves came under attack from storm victims. “Hospitals are trying to evacuate,” said Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan, spokesman at the city emergency operations center. “At every one of them, there are reports that as the helicopters come in people are shooting at them. There are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, ‘You better come get my family,”’ Ben-Iesan said. Some Federal Emergency Management rescue operations were suspended in areas where gunfire has broken out, Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said in Washington. “In areas where our employees have been determined to potentially be in danger, we have pulled back,” he said.
There is also this interesting statement from a Seattle Times report concerning the wild behavior of New Orleans’ Negroes:
But disaster-response researchers are intrigued, especially because this behavior has been far from the norm. Sociologists cite more than 50 years of research showing that widespread looting after a natural disaster is rare.
Indeed, hurricane Katrina has also wreaked havoc in Mandeville, Louisiana, knocking out electricity and phone service, but there is hardly any looting or crime there…Mandeville is 96% white. Civilized people will steal food and water for survival if there is no other option, but Negroes are a different matter.
Miscellaneous updates:
Negro cops looting:
One of several examples of Negro incompetence is shown below. New Orleans’ Negro Mayor Nagin not only issued an evacuation order—before the hurricane struck—after pressure from the federal government, but for all of Nagin’s complaining about the alleged delayed federal response, it did not occur to Nagin to use city buses to evacuate New Orleans’ residents lacking transport; the buses subsequently were partly submerged in the flooding:
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A normal society in this situation places the disaster-stricken area under martial law and gives the National Guard troops the option of shooting looters on sight or not shooting them, at their discretion depending on the individual circumstances of the moment. Needless to say, the U.S. is not a normal society: women have gotten the vote and the left now enjoys hegemony (which are closely-related developments by the way).
Wanna blow the “economic” explanations of black crime out of the water? Just cite the rape statistics.
Of course, it doesn’t take a genius to correct the black crime stats for SES, it took me a few hours:
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=138888
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=117248
There’s also a debunking of my favorite racial crime myth (whites as serial killers) stuck in there somewhere.
All the footage of Katrina I have seen suggests that blacks were the worst affected. Perhaps in their desire to grab some loot, they forgot about the hurricane....... 
Posted by Phil on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 07:18 PM | #
“Wanna blow the ‘economic’ explanations of black crime out of the water? Just cite the rape statistics.” (—Svigor)
That’s a excellent point I’d never thought of before. Svigor is right: rape statistics all by themselves blow the “economic” explanation of black crime completely out of the water.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 07:39 PM | #
I live in an area that was hit by Katrina, and during the calm of the storm, Negroes came around my neighborhood knocking on peoples’ doors, claiming to be the electric company. When people opened the door, the Negroes came in, told the house owners to stand still, stole stuff from the house, and ran out. My local newspaper didn’t even report this--partly because robberies happen so often, and partly because what they stole wasn’t very valuable, but also because the culprits were Negroes.
Posted by Amon on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 07:50 PM | #
This situation candidly demonstrates the dangers of the Negroes (and other tribes) in our midst.
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To the respectable conservatives I privately speak with I pose this question:
Imagine what will happen when the blacks and hispanics gain ascendency via the Democratic franchise. Look what they’ve done to their niegborhoods, look what they have done to their homelands.
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To those awakened: please arm yourselves and prepare - and help save other Euro-Americans.
Posted by Geoff Beck on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 08:47 PM | #
Scroob, don’t worry, Leftists have an answer (do they ever lack for one?). They just fall back on the mentally destabilizing effects of massive poverty and urban blight. In other words, being poor and black in a white-majority society drives ‘em nuts.
They also like to fall back on psychobabble to explain why poverty drives blacks to crime in far greater numbers than whites; they say that the white poor are largely rural and so don’t have to deal with urban density. That is, blacks are all crammed together into cities and poor and so go crazy. (I guess they forget their Deliverance-style slurs at this point)
They have an answer for everything I tell ya.
Look what they’ve done to their niegborhoods, look what they have done to their homelands.
Are you some type of racist? How dare you blame people for their own problems!
Posted by Professor Polinsky on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 09:41 PM | #
> How dare you blame people for their own problems!
A truly radical idea!
Posted by Geoff Beck on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 09:44 PM | #
Read this quote by Margaret Mitchell, referencing the collapse of order after the ‘War of Northern Aggression’ (1860-65):
“But these ignominies and dangers were as nothing compared with the peril of white women, many bereft by the war of male protection, who lived alone in the outlying districts and on lonely roads. It was the large number of outrages on women and the ever-present fear for the safety of their wives and daughters that drove Southern men to cold and trembling fury and caused the Ku Klux Klan to spring up overnight. And it was against this nocturnal organization that the newspapers of the North cried out most loudly, never realizing the tragic necessity that brought it into being. The North wanted every member of the Ku Klux hunted down and hanged, because they had dared take the punishment of crime into their own hands at a time when the ordinary processes of law and order had been overthrown by the invaders.” ~ Margaret Mitchell, Gone With the Wind
Posted by Geoff Beck on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 09:47 PM | #
I was just explaining that to a friend the other night Geoff. It wasn’t like dressing in masks and riding at night for vigilantism was anybody’s druthers after all.
There will I think be another lesson to draw from this, when the final picture becomes clear. Louisiana’s governor is a dopey female Democrat, who’s doing very little about looting, whereas Mississippi’s Gov. Haley Barbour, a proper (non-Bushie) Republican is taking it seriously. Stats on the relative amount of looting in the two equally affected states will be VERY interesting.
So it may end up being a useful wake-up call against political correctness and the left.
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 10:07 PM | #
Martin,
What mitigates against your observation, Martin, is the location of the looting, New Orleans - which is 60% black.
Biloxi is 50 or so miles east of New Orleans, and is mostly white. In fact, many Whites from New Orleans left for Biloxi long ago. I doubt pervasive looting would occur in Biloxi, regardless of who is governor.
In fact Metaire, Louisiana, which is a white suburban county, directly connected to New Orleans, has no looting - but has the same governor as New Orleans. The difference is race.
No, there is a more primitive explanation than who is the governor.
Posted by Geoff Beck on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 10:15 PM | #
Yes, Geoff, but the state of Mississippi is about 40% black. Plenty of potential looters there if they had a wimpy governor.
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 10:25 PM | #
Martin, have you spent much time in that area? I have. I spent 4 years attending school in Louisiana.
New Orleans is a savage and dangerous place. The density of Blacks in New Orleans is overwhelming. The gulf shore of Mississippi is very White. No looting there.
And again…
In fact Metaire, Louisiana, which is a white suburban county, directly connected to New Orleans, has no looting - but has the same governor as New Orleans. The difference is race.
Posted by Geoff Beck on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 10:28 PM | #
Looked to me like it was a meeting of GNXPers to discuss Salter’s latest work.
Posted by James Bowery on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 11:44 PM | #
Geoff, I defer to your local knowledge. One October vacation 25 years ago, with a very engrossing girlfriend, with 3 hours in Biloxi and 48 in New Orleans probably doesn’t make me an expert 
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 12:10 AM | #
“Leftists [...] say that the white poor are largely rural and so don’t have to deal with urban density. That is, blacks are all crammed together into cities and poor and so go crazy [and that’s why they commit so much crime]” (—Svigor, 9:30 PM)
But first of all, why do able-bodied young Negro men all stay poor and “crammed together” in urban areas that are so blighted they surpass belief? Why do they remain to collect welfare in areas that make 1945 Dresden and Hiroshima look inviting by comparison, instead of traveling to where the work is, out of state if necessary, as whites do? Here in Vermont there’s always at least some movement of a fraction of the young men back and forth between here and North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, California, sometimes Florida, sometimes Connecticut, Rhode Island, and so on, following the availability of work. How come Negroes don’t do that—follow the work—instead remaining planted in one hell-hole forever drawing welfare in neverending hopelessness, crime, violence, and degenerateness? Why? Why don’t they get off their butt? If there’s no work for them in Harlem, go find it elsewhere! There are illiterate Mexican peasants, ten, twenty, forty million of them, literally risking death traveling two thousand miles and more, much of it on foot, to come to the U.S. and find menial jobs because there’s no work in the home village! U.S. Negroes can’t take a bus to the next state to get work for themselves??? The person who first showed me this way of looking at the concentrations of able-bodied Negro men all on welfare just hanging around day after day, year after year, without doing anything, in Harlem and Bedford-Stuyvesant, NYC, instead of leaving those hell holes and going where the work was—“Why are they there? What are they doing there when there’s nothing for them to do?,” was a female Negro student at the New England Ivy League college where I was doing graduate work in the early ‘80s. She was from Jacksonville, Florida, and had visited New York City for the first time in her life when she’d come up north to attend university, and while in NY she wanted to see Harlem. She told me the biggest impression she came away with was, “Why are they all there [all the jobless young men]? If they’re on welfare why do they stay, instead of leaving and going where there’s work? What’s wrong with them?” She was baffled by it.
That was point number one. Point number two: the white immigrants arriving in U.S. northeastern seaports from the 1880s to the early 1920s were poor and were crammed into cities and didn’t go crazy. Ninety percent of the well-to-do Jews in the U.S. today, for example, are the offspring or descendants of dirt-poor immigrant forebears who arrived in places like NYC without a cent to their names—not a cent. They looked for work the instant they stepped off the boat from Lithuania, Ruthenia, Galicia, Silesia, Russia, or wherever it was, to buy a crust or an apple for their next day’s meal and that was how they started in the New World. They found work and worked hard, never stopping. They worked like dogs their whole lives in sweatshops to raise their children and pay for their kids’ educations, and so on. Were they or their dirt-poor kids out in the streets “going crazy, robbing, raping, and killing”? No answer is needed to that, I trust. Neither were the other white immigrant groups that were penniless and literally wretched, wearing rags, when they first arrived, and who lived as the Jews did, in crowded tenements. You didn’t see the thousandth—not the millionth—not the billionth—of the crime you see with Negroes in U.S. cities. You didn’t see crime. period! It was non-existent among the poor, crowded-together whites of those days. Do you think anyone was afraid to walk down the street at night in a Jewish, German, Italian, or Chinese neighborhood in New York City in those days where the poverty was grinding and people worked sixteen-hour days in sweatshops just to put their family’s next day’s meal on the table? Try walking down the street at night in a Negro neighborhood in New York City today, where the inhabitants have a level of financial security and material benefits those poor white immigrants of 80 and 100 years ago couldn’t even dream of. Try it. You’ll be lucky if you walk out alive.
“Imagine what will happen when the blacks and hispanics gain ascendency via the Democratic franchise.”
That’s easy. What will happen is whites will be treated exactly as they’re being treated right now in Rhodesia and South Africa. That’s the ones who stay. All the leftists who are now pushing race-replacement on us will have long since fled the country by that time.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 01:14 AM | #
“You seem quite a lady’s man.”
I got right in in the nick of time with my long comment, otherwise Martin might have had to reply to that.
You owe me one, Martin.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 01:37 AM | #
This looter looks like a Mexican?
Posted by Geoff Beck on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 02:45 AM | #
Obviously the cameramen are racists to be taking all these pictures of non-whites.
Posted by James Bowery on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 02:57 AM | #
Only “doing jobs Americans won’t do,” as President Bush says.
Posted by Geoff Beck on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 03:04 AM | #
Have you noticed the colour of those doing all the rescuing?
Posted by Matra on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 03:07 AM | #
That’s a lot of flooding for a hurricane. That much flooding must be from broken levees, no? I heard the New Orleans levees broke in a couple of places. Also, completely apart from this hurricane, isn’t New Orleans sinking the way Venice is? At least a few times a year the St. Mark’s Square in Venice floods unreasonably from heavy rain. Somehow that looks like a lot of water just from a hurricane—one would think something else is going on.
The other thing is, in every single photo I’ve seen, the hurricane victims stranded, rescued, or wading through water have been non-white. In this photo above, yes, that’s certainly a Mexican. All the others photos I’ve seen have been of Negroes. What’s up with that?
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 03:18 AM | #
Fred,
New Orleans is ground zero for blacks. Earlier I quoted the population of N.O. as 60% black, I read in another news report it was 67%.
I lived in Louisiana for four years. Scenes above are very very typical.
Posted by Geoff Beck on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 03:25 AM | #
You would have thought the National Guard would be called in and commissioned with state police to protect Individual and property rights.
Brisbane 1974 floods, Take no prisoners, any cought looting, ended with busted limbs,But that was before wet liberals and the PC battalions were in Fashion, Touch them up to.
Does anyone here know if the damage has hit near Mr Duke’s headquarters?
Posted by AD on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 07:45 AM | #
What is going on here? Surely the blacks couldn’t have been so prone to commit crime 50 years ago, right? What has changed?
Posted by Steve Edwards on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 10:06 AM | #
What is going on here? Surely the blacks couldn’t have been so prone to commit crime 50 years ago, right? What has changed?
The same thing that has changed in the ‘new’ South Africa.
Posted by AD on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 10:46 AM | #
What else can we say? These people, these beings, these animals, these things, are utter savages. It’s multiculturalism in action.
Let’s go out & broadcast these images; let’s put the complete savagery of the Negro on display for the world.
More, please. 
Posted by Stuka on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 12:50 PM | #
The flooding’s not because of the hurricane. When Katrina was approaching, they were worried that it would produce 20 foot surges, overwhelming the 17 foot levies. That didn’t happen; the surges topped at 15 feet because the hurricane changed course.
Instead, unexpectedly, the levies broke. That’s a result (Geoff, who’s lived there, won’t be surprised by this) of graft in the Louisiana public sector tender process. It is a classic example of the public sector doing things to the most appalling quality standards and, in this case, wrecking a city and most likely killing thousands of people by this.
No doubt the responsible officials are all retired or dead, but sequestering their families’ inheritances and bankrupting the construction companies involved would still seem appropriate. Won’t happen.
The solution is smaller government. Not something we’re likely to get from the Bush adnministration.
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 01:14 PM | #
Martin,
I agree. If the Washington tyranny allowed states the liberty, which the constitution specifies, a natural order would evolve among people and classes; a natural order conducive to good business, strong culture, and civility.
But I have no hope of a restoration of the constitution.
Posted by Geoff Beck on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 01:18 PM | #
All the blacks in the pictures look to be of unmixed negroid ancestry-no Hale Berrys!
Posted by seelow heights on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 01:21 PM | #
Thousands of bodies have been discovered throughout Mississippi in Gulf Port, Waveland,Hancock County,Bay of St.Louis.
says one eye witness report
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1473894/posts
Posted by Geoff Beck on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 01:33 PM | #
Don’t you white irrationalists watch the news? Footage of whites looting, on FOX. Happy now?
BTW, crime rates in Irish Catholic neighborhoods in the 1800s were astronomical. Police trucks were called Paddy wagons because they were full of Paddies.
Posted by leo felton on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 01:37 PM | #
Don’t you white irrationalists watch the news? Footage of whites looting, on FOX. Happy now?
Ah, good, so you can go back to ignoring stuff like:
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=138888
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=117248
FOX to the rescue of your world-view!
Posted by James Bowery on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 01:57 PM | #
Felton:
Are you familiar with the ‘official’ gov’t crime incidence reports? Reports that show crime is overwhelmingly part of the Black community. ( As well as AIDS).
Here is the data: http://www.amren.com/color.pdf
Sure I know Whites that are low-life scum. For sure.
But compare the pandemic anarchy in Africa to that of white areas of North America and Europe. Well, if you are honest, and trust your eyes and not the propaganda…
Thanks for stopping by.
Posted by Geoff Beck on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 02:03 PM | #
Is the white looting in Louisiana or Mississippi? Any substantial difference between the two makes a different point, the need for strong, non-PC government and public discipline.
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 02:05 PM | #
Martin,
I certainly agree with you about having “strong, non-PC government and public discipline”.
But why not concede - given the reality of power today - that we “can’t get there from here”?
I instead advocate secession. I really think secession is far more feasible and doable than a restoration of good government, public order, and etc… within the rotten existing system.
Neither path is easy, though.
Posted by Geoff Beck on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 02:16 PM | #
BTW, crime rates in Irish Catholic neighborhoods in the 1800s were astronomical.
So because there is a theory that the Irish were overrepresented in crime stats two centuries ago.....we must forever close our eyes to the realities of contemporary racial relations/crime stats etc.
One day,the non-whites will join the ‘mainstream’ en masse like the Irish did right?Until then,we’ll just shut up,ignore the violence/degeneration and think of ‘paddy wagons’.
You’ve won me over.I was indeed a white ‘irrationalist’ before,but now i’m a realist like you.
Posted by AD on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 02:20 PM | #
Geoff, it’s only 20 years since both Britain and the US had decent governments at the national level. I agree the Bush administration—and the fact he was eleceted as a Republican—tends to lead one towards secession or armed uprising, but he won’t last forever.
Meanwhile, at a state level the contrast between Barbour and Blanco is HUGE, and needs to be pointed out to all and sundry. If GWB was Governor of Louisiana, the levies would have broken and looting would have happened, just as it is doing. If Reagan or (I think, though am not entirely sure*) Barbour were Gov. of Louisiana, the levies would have been done right and looters would be rounded up into chain gangs.
*Strong evidence that Barbour is really a Bushie sleazeball would cause me to retract, but he doesn’t appear to be.
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 02:23 PM | #
You guys will like this from Yahoo news.
A police officer said there were dozens of carjackings overnight, carried out by desperate survivors seeking to get out of town or obtain supplies [emph. added]
We’ve seen how those supplies are obtained.
Posted by stari_momak on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 02:39 PM | #
The analogy with the Irish is flawed at many levels.
Some of the reasons:
Negroes have higher testosterone levels, smaller and less dense brains, and require constant and instant gratification, i.e. the difference is racial and genetic and no amount of socialization can turn a basically violent man-ape hybrid into an Irishman.
Posted by friedrich braun on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 03:06 PM | #
Looting a hospital. Should be shot on sight for that.
Posted by Lurker on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 03:07 PM | #
Negroes have higher testosterone levels, smaller and less dense brains, and require constant and instant gratification, i.e. the difference is racial and genetic and no amount of socialization can turn a basically violent man-ape hybrid into an Irishman.
Don’t you need to provide the link to the genetic evidence for this? Do negroes have more alleles in common with other great apes than do Irishmen?
Just trying to be fair here.
Posted by James Bowery on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 03:34 PM | #
The 19th Centruy British view was that both Irishmen and Negroes were sub-human. I think we need to give adverse cultural factors (persistent Fenian and Black Marxist agitation against the existing order of society) much more blame here than any real or imagined genetic factors.
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 03:44 PM | #
“Studies show that black college students and military veterans have 3% to 19% more testosterone than their white counterparts”
Found in 9th paragraph at this link (Rushton article
Posted by h-man on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 04:08 PM | #
Someone let me know when the follow data is posted on GNXP by their baboons there.
From a private mailing list:
This is a bit technical, but I take it to mean that both blacks and chimpanzees have the APOH*4 allele while whites have the APOH*1 allele, thereby demonstrating that blacks are more closely related to chimpanzees than are whites. This is from (Google cache entry).
“Nakaya et al. (1980) demonstrated beta-2-glycoprotein I activation of lipoprotein lipase and designated this glycoprotein as apolipoprotein H. Hoeg et al. (1985) identified 5 persons with no detectable circulating apoH. The authors were impressed by the lack of consistent effects on plasma lipoproteins and concluded that the lack of apolipoprotein H does not result in a significant perturbation of normal lipoprotein metabolism. It may be that this should be considered a ‘nondisease.’
Using thin-layer polyacrylamide isoelectric focusing gels and immunologic identification, Kamboh et al. (1988) demonstrated genetically determined polymorphism of apolipoprotein H. Three common alleles were identified in U.S. whites and blacks. A fourth allele was observed in black individuals. Family data confirmed autosomal codominant inheritance of 4 alleles at a single APOH locus. Richter and Cleve (1988) demonstrated genetic variations by means of isoelectric focusing. Sepehrnia et al. (1988) provided data on the distribution of apolipoprotein polymorphisms in Nigeria, including polymorphism of APOH.
The observations supported the conclusion that the APOH*4 is a marker allele unique to blacks and one that may be widely distributed among African populations, whereas the APOH*1 allele may be a unique Caucasian allele that was introduced into the black population of the U.S. by admixture.”
“Sanghera et al. (2001) found that the chimpanzee APOH gene, like the human gene, consists of 8 exons and encodes a deduced 326-amino acid protein, as in humans. The human and chimpanzee APOH proteins share 99.4% sequence similarity. Using isoelectric focusing (IEF) and immunoblotting, Sanghera et al. (2001) screened 155 chimpanzees (128) unrelated captured parents and 27 captive-born offspring) for the apoH protein polymorphism. The most common IEF pattern in chimpanzees was identical to a previously described APOH*3 allele in humans. In addition, they identified in chimpanzees an allele designated APOH*4, resulting from a lys210-to-glu missense change in exon 6.”
Posted by James Bowery on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 04:28 PM | #
“If the Washington tyranny allowed states the liberty, which the constitution specifies, a natural order would evolve among people and classes; a natural order conducive to good business, strong culture, and civility.” (—Geoff, 1:18 pm)
“I [...] advocate secession.” (2:16 pm)
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The federal government does not like whites. The federal government wants to kill whites, or at any rate does not give one single solitary god-damn if whites are killed by high-violent-crime groups it fully intends to keep forcing into white communities. The federal government wants to commit genocide against whites.
Whites have to get away from the federal government.
There are some things whites have to start talking seriously about in terms of their own self-defense. One of them is secession or a greater degree of local autonomy for white regions, such as has been granted to Catalonia in Spain I think it was and to certain regions in other countries. If the federal government insists on filling the country with non-white groups it will have to deal with organized whites who do not want to be submerged in a sea of non-whites with all that goes along with that. If whites can’t obtain sufficient autonomy within the framework of the United States they have to start planning on secession. D.C. is going to have to come second, behind whites’ racial/national self-preservation. D.C. may have to be jettisoned altogether, exactly as the Old Soviet Union was in 1991. If and when the day comes when that happens, D.C. will have brought it entirely on itself and will have only itself to blame: reasonable people have been begging it for years, decades, to change course, and have been greeted with a deaf ear along with the most outrageous slanders.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 05:24 PM | #
“Looting a hospital. Should be shot on sight for that.” (—Lurker)
Exactly right. The order to the National Guard should be all adult looters shot on sight, which won’t happen of course, but if outlaw gangs of drug-addicted, AIDs-infected criminals trying to break down the locked doors of a children’s hospital in which a hundred children are being treated, in order to pillage the place, can’t be immediately shot on sight without any questions asked, there’s absolutely an extremely grave problem of deep societal breakdown, closely comparable to what’s going on in places like South Africa and Rhodesia, and the fundamental problem is a racial one which D.C. sees, and more or less is determined to try to solve by getting rid of white people—or at least by changing them from a majority to a minority population in this country. That’s D.C.’s planned “solution.”
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 05:40 PM | #
the fundamental problem is a racial one which D.C. sees, and more or less is determined to try to solve by getting rid of white people—or at least by changing them from a majority to a minority population in this country. That’s D.C.’s planned “solution.”
I disagree with this wording. Their solution is to enslave white people. This is true even if the whites in question are descended from Quakers who fought slavery or Yeoman farmers whose sons worked their land rather than slaves—and were pushed out west by the slave-using plantation owners. They don’t care about “justisssssssssss” no matter how much they blither about it—if they did they’d be paying reparations to white heterosexual taxpayers who have been threatened by black and hispanic prison gang rape for the decades during which “civil rights” have been pushed to become a sexually sadistic reality.
Posted by James Bowery on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 06:10 PM | #
Since James Bowery has attempted to address the issue of whether blacks or whites are closer to apes, it must be emphasized that the differences between blacks and whites are much smaller than the differences between either of these groups and apes. However, on several counts, either blacks or whites can be closer to apes. For instance, the greater body hairiness of whites is a more ape-like trait than the less hairiness of blacks. Similarly, the flatter backsides of whites are more ape-like than the more prominent backsides of blacks. On the other hand, take a good look at the facial features of the black teen shown in the picture above with the word “TEEN” on it and see if you can answer the question as to whether more pure-blooded Negroes or whites are closer to apes in regard to looks.
However, what is relevant to this discussion is civil behavior, and in regard to behaving in a civilized manner in human society, let alone producing a civilization in the first place, blacks are unambiguously more closer to apes than whites are. For instance, before testosterone can affect gene expression, it needs to bind to the androgen receptor (AR). The fewer the number of CAG repeats in the AR gene, the more sensitive to testosterone one is. The number of CAG repeats is lower in apes than humans (Djian et al., 1996) and lower in blacks than whites (Bennett et al., 2002; O’Brien et al., 2004; Panz et al., 2001; Pettaway, 1999; Platz et al., 2000; Sartor et al., 1999). Therefore, even if blacks and whites have the same level of testosterone, the bodies of blacks, on average, will behave as if they have higher testosterone levels. On the other hand, by now the average find summed over a number of studies is that black males up to the age of 35 have higher testosterone levels than white males in the same age range, with the difference tending to disappear or possibly reverse somewhat later on (see reviews in: Gapstur et al., 2002; Pettaway, 1999; Winters et al., 2001). Additionally, studies have consistently shown that blacks have more sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) than whites (see reviews in: Abdelrahaman et al., 2005; Sutton-Tyrrell et al., 2005); SHBG activates the androgen receptor. Therefore, even if one finds white and black males with the same levels of androgens such as testosterone and dihydrotestosterone, higher SHBG levels in blacks implies that their bodies, on average, function as if they have higher testosterone levels (Mohler et al., 2004). Also, many studies have shown elevated androgens in black women compared to white women, i.e., blacks are exposed to higher testosterone levels than most white populations in the womb (Driscoll, 2003; Huppert et al., 2004; Kumar et al., 2005; Potischman et al., 2005; Zhang et al., 2005).
See this report for a massive literature review that blacks have an innately lower IQ and smaller brains than whites, including the frontal lobe, which is significantly involved in inhibition and restraint.
A population with absolutely/effectively elevated androgen levels and lower IQ is also bound to behave in a less civil manner.
On a more global basis, it has been shown that the diversity of neutral sites in nuclear DNA (where almost all of our genes reside) is about 50% greater in chimpanzees (the ape closest to humans) than humans overall but only 13% greater in chimpanzees compared to blacks (Yu et al., 2003), i.e., blacks are unambiguously the most primitive people around and closer to apes than other human populations are on this count. This is the tip of the iceberg; there is a lot more to this stuff, and someday I am going to post it.
See the next comment for the citations.
Posted by J Richards on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 06:46 PM | #
Citations for the previous comment:
Abdelrahaman, E., Raghavan, S., Baker, L., Weinrich, M., & Winters, S. J. (2005). Racial difference in circulating sex hormone-binding globulin levels in prepubertal boys. Metabolism, 54(1), 91-96.
Bennett, C. L., Price, D. K., Kim, S., Liu, D., Jovanovic, B. D., Nathan, D., et al. (2002). Racial variation in cag repeat lengths within the androgen receptor gene among prostate cancer patients of lower socioeconomic status. J Clin Oncol, 20(17), 3599-3604.
Djian, P., Hancock, J. M., & Chana, H. S. (1996). Codon repeats in genes associated with human diseases: Fewer repeats in the genes of nonhuman primates and nucleotide substitutions concentrated at the sites of reiteration. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A, 93(1), 417-421.
Driscoll, D. A. (2003). Polycystic ovary syndrome in adolescence. Semin Reprod Med, 21(3), 301-307.
Gapstur, S. M., Gann, P. H., Kopp, P., Colangelo, L., Longcope, C., & Liu, K. (2002). Serum androgen concentrations in young men: A longitudinal analysis of associations with age, obesity, and race. The cardia male hormone study. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev, 11(10 Pt 1), 1041-1047.
Huppert, J., Chiodi, M., & Hillard, P. J. (2004). Clinical and metabolic findings in adolescent females with hyperandrogenism. J Pediatr Adolesc Gynecol, 17(2), 103-108.
Kumar, A., Woods, K. S., Bartolucci, A. A., & Azziz, R. (2005). Prevalence of adrenal androgen excess in patients with the polycystic ovary syndrome (pcos). Clin Endocrinol (Oxf), 62(6), 644-649.
Mohler, J. L., Gaston, K. E., Moore, D. T., Schell, M. J., Cohen, B. L., Weaver, C., et al. (2004). Racial differences in prostate androgen levels in men with clinically localized prostate cancer. J Urol, 171(6 Pt 1), 2277-2280.
O’Brien, T. G., Guo, Y., Visvanathan, K., Sciulli, J., McLaine, M., Helzlsouer, K. J., et al. (2004). Differences in ornithine decarboxylase and androgen receptor allele frequencies among ethnic groups. Mol Carcinog, 41(2), 120-123.
Panz, V. R., Joffe, B. I., Spitz, I., Lindenberg, T., Farkas, A., & Haffejee, M. (2001). Tandem cag repeats of the androgen receptor gene and prostate cancer risk in black and white men. Endocrine, 15(2), 213-216.
Pettaway, C. A. (1999). Racial differences in the androgen/androgen receptor pathway in prostate cancer. J Natl Med Assoc, 91(12), 653-660.
Platz, E. A., Rimm, E. B., Willett, W. C., Kantoff, P. W., & Giovannucci, E. (2000). Racial variation in prostate cancer incidence and in hormonal system markers among male health professionals. J Natl Cancer Inst, 92(24), 2009-2017.
Potischman, N., Troisi, R., Thadhani, R., Hoover, R. N., Dodd, K., Davis, W. W., et al. (2005). Pregnancy hormone concentrations across ethnic groups: Implications for later cancer risk. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev, 14(6), 1514-1520.
Sartor, O., Zheng, Q., & Eastham, J. A. (1999). Androgen receptor gene cag repeat length varies in a race-specific fashion in men without prostate cancer. Urology, 53(2), 378-380.
Sutton-Tyrrell, K., Wildman, R. P., Matthews, K. A., Chae, C., Lasley, B. L., Brockwell, S., et al. (2005). Sex hormone-binding globulin and the free androgen index are related to cardiovascular risk factors in multiethnic premenopausal and perimenopausal women enrolled in the study of women across the nation (swan). Circulation, 111(10), 1242-1249.
Winters, S. J., Brufsky, A., Weissfeld, J., Trump, D. L., Dyky, M. A., & Hadeed, V. (2001). Testosterone, sex hormone-binding globulin, and body composition in young adult african american and caucasian men. Metabolism, 50(10), 1242-1247.
Yu, N., Jensen-Seaman, M. I., Chemnick, L., Kidd, J. R., Deinard, A. S., Ryder, O., et al. (2003). Low nucleotide diversity in chimpanzees and bonobos. Genetics, 164(4), 1511-1518.
Zhang, Y., Graubard, B. I., Klebanoff, M. A., Ronckers, C., Stanczyk, F. Z., Longnecker, M. P., et al. (2005). Maternal hormone levels among populations at high and low risk of testicular germ cell cancer. Br J Cancer, 92(9), 1787-1793.
Posted by J Richards on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 06:47 PM | #
Regarding the comment by Leo Felton above, I usually don’t bother getting my news from TV because of the mainstream media bias. Even a right-leaning network like FOX news wouldn’t dare portray blacks as they truly are. The only picture of looters that I could find at the FOX news website showed them all to be black. This is not to say that none of the looters are white. However, whites wouldn’t come anywhere close to blacks with respect to the proportion per capita involved in looting, and are almost certainly absent among those participating in the sicker forms of looting such as attempting to loot a children’s hospital or going beyond simple looting by trashing/damaging property with abandon.
Posted by J Richards on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 07:11 PM | #
J Richards,
One can ignore characters like Felton for the purposes of rational discourse.
The Irish analogy is nonsense for the following reason - even at their worst, the Irish never approached the crime levels of blacks we witness in South Africa, the US and Brazil (to take some examples). The Irish thing is rubbish as an analogy to blacks.
Posted by Phil on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 07:49 PM | #
“This would be a grand land if only every Irishman would kill a Negro, and be hanged for it. I find this sentiment generally approved - sometimes with the qualification that they want Irish and Negroes for servants, not being able to get any other.”
Posted by leo felton on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 08:11 PM | #
Geoff, I think the Constitution and the Framers get too much credit. They knew damned well what they were doing, and I think they chose not to explicitly enshrine decentralization because they didn’t want decentralization.
Posted by Svigor on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 08:25 PM | #
Leo, I know this will come as a shock to you, but 21st century race-realism is in no way coterminous with 19th century race-sentiment.
Welcome to the year 2005. I know you’ll be sad to leave your 19th century strawmen behind, but you have to grow up sometime; try using the big-boy voice when addressing adults.
Posted by Svigor on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 08:35 PM | #
> Constitution & Centralization
I disagree. It must be remembered many states at the consitutional convention (1787) explicitly noted their right to seceede from the pact.
Futhermore, one cannot read the 10th Amendment, and then note the very few consitutionally defined powers of the federal gov’t and understand the very limited nature of the pact ( not as limited as the original “Articles of Confederation” though).
Futhermore vestiges of the limited powers of the union lasted well into the 20th century, for example plessy vs. furgeson. Do you remember that case?
Yes, it is a flawed document, and those flaws surfaced over the decades. Yes, there were always power mad centralizers like A. Hamilton, but there was opposite forces like A. Jackson and Jefferson Davis.
Posted by Geoff Beck on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 08:58 PM | #
Holy Mother of God! We have found the missing link!
Africans being Africans even when disaster strikes. I fail to see the news in this story.
There are more photos and news article in this thread:
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=262974&page=1&pp=20
Posted by friedrich braun on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 09:14 PM | #
Mr. Hutchinson,
It may be that the vector for increasing (exploding) black crime is liberal government, but that isn’t the cause (at least not most of it).
The fact is that races have substantially different behavioral means which contribute to racial tension in myriad ways. The implications of this have been gone over time and again here.
For example, northeast Asians are less prone to a variety of social pathologies (violent crime, divorce, STDs like AIDS, etc.,) than Europeans. Once yellows constitute a large portion of the American population, who’s to say they won’t start feeling about whites (to say nothing of blacks, who they generally regard as little more than talking apes) the way many whites feel about blacks? Who’s to say that a yellow guilt (equivalent to the false white guilt crippling Europeans today) will miraculously emerge to prevent yellows from doing precisely the sorts of things to non-yellows that everyone accuses WNs of wanting to do to non-whites?
Multiracial societies are just asking for trouble. Yeah, sure, blacks can be oppressed into being more civilized than they would be if left to their own devices. Sure, whites might become more likeable to yellows in a yellow-dominated society where yellows oppressed whites.
Why court all this trouble? Why not recognize that blacks have a right to live according to their own natures, to be free of the white or yellow man’s definition of civilization? After all, black failure is only black failure viewed through a non-black lens. Why not recognize the same right for all groups?
If your point is just that environmental and cultural factors are important too then I agree, and if you pay attention you’ll notice that WNs in general agree.
That said, nature and nuture are not equal. One cannot nurture a nature that is not there to begin with.
All of this of course ignores the inherent goodness and rightness of a people preserving itself, securing a future for itself. All this also ignores the realities of Social Identity, which predicts racial strife even in the absence of differences in group behavioral means.
Posted by Svigor on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 09:22 PM | #
many states at the consitutional convention (1787) explicitly noted their right to seceede from the pact.
The fact that they had to note this shows that the Constitution did not.
Futhermore, one cannot read the 10th Amendment, and then note the very few consitutionally defined powers of the federal gov’t and understand the very limited nature of the pact ( not as limited as the original “Articles of Confederation” though).
I understand that, but the failure to include specific mechanisms for secession leads me down certain paths Constitutionalists don’t like to tread. These men were smart enough to know that centralization is the goal of all government with the power to pursue it, and they did little to guard against it. Their supposed intentions don’t show up well in the Constitution.
Futhermore vestiges of the limited powers of the union lasted well into the 20th century, for example plessy vs. furgeson. Do you remember that case?
You’re only making my case. The “law” involved died with the sentiment supporting it.
Yes, there were always power mad centralizers like A. Hamilton, but there was opposite forces like A. Jackson and Jefferson Davis.
The fact that tension between the two sides is possible speaks volumes about how effective the Constitution is at warding off centralization. How hard would it have been to put in a few parachutes?
Posted by Svigor on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 09:36 PM | #
BLACK TESTOSTERONE MADNESS
(very violent attack)
http://media4.big-boys.com/content/ghettofight.wmv
We must unite and protect ourselves. New Orleans has shown the cops won’t.
Posted by Geoff Beck on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 09:40 PM | #
Svi,
I read a lot of History, and have a BA in History, I stand by my interpretation.
Posted by Geoff Beck on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 09:42 PM | #
I don’t read a lot of history, and I don’t have a degree in history. I can only point out that the word “interpretation” is a sign of the Constitution’s weakness.
Posted by Svigor on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 09:48 PM | #
What I find especially disturbing in that video is the beating and kicking of someone who was already down.
Posted by friedrich braun on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 09:55 PM | #
Why not recognise that blacks have a right to live according to their natures, to be free of the white or yellow man’s definition of civilization?
Svigor, I was reading D.H. Lawrence’s review of Fenimore Cooper’s literature last night. Lawrence writes,
“In the actual flesh, it seems to me the white man and the red man cause a feeling of oppression, the one to the other, no matter what the good will. The red life flows in a different direction from the white life.”
BTW, I think that the discussion some have conducted in this thread about blacks being “animals” or “apes”, no matter how scientifically discussed, are a massive overkill in terms of the arguments we need to make.
We don’t need to prove any such thing, and an attempt to do so is likely to be counterproductive in terms of attracting a mainstream readership or advancing a nationalist politics.
Posted by Mark Richardson on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 10:01 PM | #
J.Richards,
Are not Australoids the most primitive extant race or were you excluding them because of their small numbers and lack of global presence? They seem less agressive than the Negro but significantly dumber. I think I remember a diagram in the book “Race” by John Baker showing the astonishing similarity of the Australoid’s brain to that of an orang-utan.
Posted by dave on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 10:09 PM | #
What should be done about looters in hurricane zones?
-- They should be shot on sight by authorities. 61.68% (2,562)
-- Arrest them for breaking the law. 15.41% (640)
-- It’s bad, but scarce police resources should be used for rescue efforts. 8.06% (335)
-- Warning shots should be fired to scare them away. 4.21% (175)
-- I don’t know why they’re taking electronics, there’s no power. 3.32% (138)
-- Nothing, many looters are hurricane victims who need items to survive. 2.94% (122)
-- Leave them alone, God will judge them. 1.88% (78)
-- Other. 1.81% (75)
-- Issue a stern warning from the government. 0.51% (21)
-- They’re victims suffering storm shock, and should be left alone. 0.19% (8)
TOTAL VOTES: 4,154
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 10:14 PM | #
A factoid:
Richard Lynn’s most recent research, published 2002 in the journal Population and Environment, is titled Skin color and intelligence in African Americans. Lynn purports to prove that African-Americans with lighter-colored skin have higher intelligence than those with darker skin. [1] (http://www.rlynn.co.uk/pages/publications.htm)
Posted by friedrich braun on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 10:15 PM | #
BTW, I think that the discussion some have conducted in this thread about blacks being “animals” or “apes”, no matter how scientifically discussed, are a massive overkill in terms of the arguments we need to make.
We don’t need to prove any such thing, and an attempt to do so is likely to be counterproductive in terms of attracting a mainstream readership or advancing a nationalist politics.
That was the point I was going to make, the point that led me to the post you quoted. Somewhere in there I forgot to make it. 
Posted by Svigor on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 10:17 PM | #
Mark,
> BTW, I think that the discussion some have conducted in this thread about blacks being “animals” or “apes”, no matter how scientifically discussed, are a massive overkill in terms of the arguments we need to make.
The comment I read by Bowery made the point that all human phenotypes (if that is the correct word) share many features with apes. That is a fact. Yes?
Posted by Geoff Beck on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 10:23 PM | #
Martin is quite right. I dont like that sort of talk and it wont change opinion from anyone else for the better.
Getting back to N.O. LA, a British (Welsh they said) tourist stuck there was interviewed just now on TV. She has been sleeping on the street with about 20 other people (tourists also I presume)- what people? Australians, other Brits, Kiwis, Canadians. Does anybody see a pattern there? A lesson perhaps? When your back is to the wall…
Posted by Lurker on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 10:27 PM | #
Photo: A Negro New Orleans police officer walking away from looted store with a stack of DVD’s nessesary - ahem -for his survival.
Negro cops join in the looting
Mike Perlstein and Brian Thevenot
Staff writers
Law enforcement efforts to contain the emergency left by Katrina slipped into chaos in parts of New Orleans Tuesday with some police officers and firefighters joining looters in picking stores clean.
At the Wal-Mart on Tchoupitoulas Street, an initial effort to hand out provisions to stranded citizens quickly disintegrated into mass looting. Authorities at the scene said bedlam erupted after the giveaway was announced over the radio.
While many people carried out food and essential supplies, others cleared out jewelry racks and carted out computers, TVs and appliances on handtrucks.
Some officers joined in taking whatever they could, including one New Orleans cop who loaded a shopping cart with a compact computer and a 27-inch flat screen television.
Officers claimed there was nothing they could do to contain the anarchy, saying their radio communications have broken down and they had no direction from commanders.
“We don’t have enough cops to stop it,” an officer said. “A mass riot would break out if you tried.”
Inside the store, the scene alternated between celebration and frightening bedlam. A shirtless man straddled a broken jewelry case, yelling, “Free samples, free samples over here.”
Another man rolled a mechanized pallet, stacked six feet high with cases of vodka and whiskey. Perched atop the stack was a bewildered toddler.
Throughout the store and parking lot, looters pushed carts and loaded trucks and vans alongside officers. One man said police directed him to Wal-Mart from Robert’s Grocery, where a similar scene was taking place. A crowd in the electronics section said one officer broke the glass DVD case so people wouldn’t cut themselves.
“The police got all the best stuff. They’re crookeder than us,” one man said.
Most officers, though, simply stood by powerless against the tide of law breakers.
One veteran officer said, “It’s like this everywhere in the city. This tiny number of cops can’t do anything about this. It’s wide open.”
At least one officer tried futilely to control a looter through shame.
“When they say take what you need, that doesn’t mean an f-ing TV,” the officer shouted to a looter. “This is a hurricane, not a free-for-all.”
Sandra Smith of Baton Rouge walked through the parking lot with a 12-pack of Bud Light under each arm. “I came down here to get my daughters,” she said, “but I can’t find them.”
The scene turned so chaotic at times that entrances were blocked by the press of people and shopping carts and traffic jams sprouted on surrounding streets.
Some groups organized themselves into assembly lines to more efficiently cart off goods.
Toni Williams, 25, packed her trunk with essential supplies, such as food and water, but said mass looting disgusted and frightened her.
“I didn’t feel safe. Some people are going overboard,” she said.
Inside the store, one woman was stocking up on make-up. She said she took comfort in watching police load up their own carts.
“It must be legal,” she said. “The police are here taking stuff, too.”
(Staff writers Doug MacCash and Keith Spera assisted in this story.)
http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breaki..._08.html#075195
Posted by friedrich braun on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 10:37 PM | #
Protect and Serve eh officers, well you are caught on camera now!
Posted by Lurker on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 10:47 PM | #
Lol Fried, that’s already memory-holed. If you saved the story I wouldn’t object if you emailed it to me.
Posted by Svigor on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 10:48 PM | #
I can’t wait until all the home videos and amateur photography starts filtering out of N.O. and onto the ‘Net.
Posted by Svigor on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 10:50 PM | #
Btw Fried, what was the original headline? I’m trying to find a Google cache of the article with no luck.
Posted by Svigor on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 10:54 PM | #
Svi,
You may wish to listen to these lectures by the Southerner Donald Livingston,
http://www.mises.org/media.aspx?action=showname&ID=9
The Thomas Wood’s lectures are very good,
http://www.mises.org/media.aspx?action=showname&ID=62
Posted by Geoff Beck on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 11:00 PM | #
J Richards wrote: Since James Bowery has attempted to address the issue of whether blacks or whites are closer to apes, it must be emphasized that the differences between blacks and whites are much smaller than the differences between either of these groups and apes. However, on several counts, either blacks or whites can be closer to apes.
Well to be more accurate I was addressing the issue of genetic via DNA similarity raised by an earlier poster who proclaimed that blacks were “basically violent man-ape hybrid”.
That being said, the data is coming in and the political animals are gong to get squirrelier and squirrelier.
Posted by James Bowery on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 11:19 PM | #
I did manage to find this:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051261
which highlights well the main difference between a blog and a newspaper: newspapers have editors (who all protect blacks in order to protect their own careers).
Posted by Svigor on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 11:33 PM | #
Don’t miss this looting video:
http://www.wdsu.com/video/4918639/detail.html
(The cart is so stuffed they can hardly push it!)
Posted by Geoff Beck on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 11:51 PM | #
The rocket scientist’s article is in formatted form below, with a nice photo . No additional text though
http://blighty.multiply.com/journal/item/537
Posted by stari_momak on Thursday, September 1, 2005 at 12:07 AM | #
Check this out:
http://www.nola.com/weblogs/nola/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_nolaview/archives/2005_08.html#075489
Loretta bleating about people of color and the very next entry find out what the peole of color are up to.
Get real Loretta.
Posted by Lurker on Thursday, September 1, 2005 at 12:19 AM | #
Sorry, should point out that Loretta’s (Hopkins) post is no longer at the top and will be shunted lower over time, catch it while its fresh.
Posted by Lurker on Thursday, September 1, 2005 at 12:39 AM | #
Name: Gregory Burris
Home: 817-274-8151
Email:
Subject: My Hurricane Story—Medical Staff in Downtown
Story: My name is Greg Burris and I am a resident of Metairie, LA. My Fiance, Dr. Jenny Lingamfelter and I own a house in Metairie. There is a major problem downtown and it is disorganization. I dropped Jenny off at University Hospital on Sunday morning at 5:00 a.m. and I evacuated with the shortly after. I am currently in Dallas and have had limited communication with Jenny. Currently she is still in University Hospital, but they are out of water and low on food. There is no power. Looters are in the hospital and it is an extremely dangerous situation. Where are the police? Well, if you watch the news you know that the State Police and New Orleans PD are in extreme disarray and they have little ability to handle this crisis. At any rate, it is extremely important to get these Doctors who stayed behind to help out of unusable hospitals and get them some to protection and facilities they can use. Despite the reports on the major networks, Charity, Tulane and University Hospitals have not been evacuated. When I last spoke to Jenny she thought it would be 4 to 5 days before they evacuated. They need water and supplies. Let’s band together as a community and get this done. If anyone needs our support, its the Doctors and Nurses risking there lives to help save the people that make up New Orleans.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thursday, September 1, 2005 at 01:13 AM | #
Aw Fred, you missed Loretta’s, its grade A! Here it is:
5:45 p.m.
Name: loretta hopkins
Home: 209-610-6341
Email:
Subject: My Hurricane Story—looting
Story: I cannot believe the air time that is being placed on looting. It is obvious that these people are desperate. Who really cares if they take a pair of teenis shoes. It must be absolutely terrifying to be in New orleans or any of the other areas. It is just a shame that the govt. is not doing more to help the poor people. It is quite obvious that the people that are wondering around New Orleans are the less fortunate. It is mind boggling to me how all the news ever shows is people of color looting. Then again its not. I just like to fantasize that racism and economic inequalities do not exsist. I am calling out to all African Americans of color to step up to the plate. If you don’t who else will. Orah,diddy,Shaq lets help out the African Americans so next time cnn choses to cover them in there headline news they will only have a positive coverage
It was posted immediately after the “HELPPP” post
Posted by Lurker on Thursday, September 1, 2005 at 01:22 AM | #
Over at Daily Kos they are saying that the hospital looting is just a rumour. I dont know what think, hope they are right.
Posted by Lurker on Thursday, September 1, 2005 at 01:25 AM | #
I did see Loretta’s, Lurker, thanks to your post. But I wanted also to draw attention to the alarming reports of hospital looting. I knew anyone following the link I posted would also see Loretta’s, as it was right in among the ones I pasted here. No white American needs to ask, incidentally, what the race of the hospital looters is.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thursday, September 1, 2005 at 01:32 AM | #
Ah Fred I didnt trust the public enough!
Ive just been trying to look up “Baptist hospital” in NOLA, I assume someone there calling for help (in a hurry) would use the commonest local name, that would be understood by local police, medical staff etc. Even if it were not the official title. Not much info out there. Does it exist?
Posted by Lurker on Thursday, September 1, 2005 at 01:42 AM | #
Having lived in Louisiana, and being quite familiar with New Orleans, I find this quote from an AP report laughable:
At one store, hordes of people from all ages, races and walks of life grabbed food and water. Some drove away with trunkloads of beer.
Well, Whites in New Orleans belong to a very small enclave, they live in “Uptown” section near Tulane and Loyola universities - all have money.
Furthermore, New Orleans is 67% black. So, these claims of a multicultural looting festival are rather hollow.
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thursday, September 1, 2005 at 01:51 AM | #
Speaking as a wimpy civilian here.
That shot of the police squad ambling down the street. What image do they think that sends out? If they really are in a danger zone they look too bunched up and not covering all quarters (correct term?). If they are just there to fly the flag they should be marching properly, show they mean business, not just strutting around like gangstas. (All should be wearing the same headgear or none at all!)
Rant over!
Posted by Lurker on Thursday, September 1, 2005 at 01:55 AM | #
Mark Richardson:
BTW, I think that the discussion some have conducted in this thread about blacks being “animals” or “apes”, no matter how scientifically discussed, are a massive overkill in terms of the arguments we need to make.
Well, Mark, who has written about ‘blacks being “animals” or “apes”’? No one! At most, Friedrich Braun has called them “basically violent man-ape hybrids,” and it should be obvious that his statement is not to be taken literally but simply reflects his anger over the behavior of blacks in New Orleans. From a biological standpoint, both blacks and whites are animals. What James Bowery and I have briefly addressed are some traits where one group is closer to apes than the other group is, although I have emphasized that the differences between blacks and whites are much lower than that between either of these groups and apes. Note that I have identified at least two instances where whites are closer to apes than blacks are, namely with respect to body hairiness and prominence of buttocks. Please read more carefully.
Dave,
Some Australian aboriginal populations identified in recent history have had very low IQs, just as some black African populations have been recorded to have an average IQ somewhat less than 60; some Central African populations were specified as having an average IQ of 59 by Lynn and Vanhanen. On the other hand, when I called blacks the most primitive of all people, I specified that this was with respect to the diversity of neutral sites in nuclear DNA, which addresses the issue in a global manner rather than focusing on the genes associated with IQ, which appears to be your focus since you only mention the IQ issue. Once again, note that I have called whites more ape-like than blacks on two counts.
Posted by J Richards on Thursday, September 1, 2005 at 02:01 AM | #
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