Young Australians finally fed up with Muslim arrogance and aggression

Posted by Melba Peachtoast on December 12, 2005, 04:28 AM | #

GOODNESS GRACIOUS! One’s internet connection is down for only ONE DAY and the most amazing things happen! Like this thread! I’m a bit late to the party I see, but those who know me will know which side I would have been on, had I been around for the excitement. Tie me kangaroo down!

Posted by JB on December 12, 2005, 04:33 AM | #

Simon:
We live in a secular society...not a christian one… freedom of and freedom from ALL forms of religion should be at the forefront of our concerns.

Nobody is asking for an Atheistic society, just a secular one. BTW Christian Germany under Christian Hitler still hold the record for slaughering people.

you mean The Six Million record ? I though the atheist soviet regime killed something like 20 millions. But 1 jew counts as 4 gentiles I guess

Why are antis obsessed with christianity ? I’m a racist white nationalist and I’m not at all a christian.

Simon:
[14 characteristics of fascism]+Does any of this sound familiar?

a fascist Australia would have at least pro-white racist immigration and citizenship policies

speaking of 14, here are David Lane’s 14 words:

We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.

is the australian government pursuing this goal ? No. It’s time to pull your head out of your soft and tolerant liberal @ss Simon

Posted by JB on December 12, 2005, 04:49 AM | #

Cassie:
“The caucasian population in Montreal embraces Middle Eastern immigrants, and while it is not perfect, it can serve as an example for many other cities around the world.”

but they have no choice but to “embrace them” because, duh, it’s illegal to discriminate against non-whites. Think about that for a minute. Would the situation be the same if it weren’t for the government’s policy of tolerance at gunpoint and the anti-white propaganda in public schools ?

by the way the caucasian population of Montreal is the worst indolent bunch of effeminate wiggers I’ve ever seen. It’s bad everywhere around MTL but it’s worst on the island

Cassie:
Immigration is important to Canada and Australia to expand our cultural diversity and to enrich our society.

this planet is diverse enough there’s no need to diversify nations - unless of course we’re talking about white nations who are in a dire need of such cultural enrichment :

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/06/child_sacrifice.php

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/printer.php?id=7138

Posted by JB on December 12, 2005, 04:51 AM | #

saw that one on StormFront:

(it seems like arab rapists are always gang-rapists)

Gang rapist blames culture

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17513853-29277,00.html

A CONVICTED gang rapist has told a Sydney court he sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl because he thought she was promiscuous and “had no right to say no”.
The 27-year-old, identified only as MSK, said voices had commanded him to rape the girl, but also blamed cultural differences for the attack.

MSK, convicted of raping two girls aged 13 and 14, faced sentencing submissions today before NSW Supreme Court Justice Peter Hidden.

He is already serving a 22-year jail term for leading his three younger brothers in the gang rape of two more girls, aged 16 and 17.

All four attacks took place at the brothers’ Ashfield home, in Sydney’s inner-west, in June and July 2002.

The court was told the first rape, that of a 14-year-old girl known as T, took place four days after MSK arrived from Pakistan.

Posted by Lurker on December 12, 2005, 04:52 AM | #

Heres a snippet from ABC:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200512/s1529041.htm

This Iemma guy really is a disgrace, were one of an uncharitable disposition one might be tempted to wonder who exactly he thinks he represents.

Cassie are you out there btw?

Posted by Andrew Pallis on December 12, 2005, 05:33 AM | #

Astonishing that you focus on and utterly condemn the violence by australians of lebanese descent but say nothing and indeed justify the violence and attacks by australian white youths

Posted by ben tillman on December 12, 2005, 05:50 AM | #

Cassie:

The caucasian population in Montreal embraces Middle Eastern immigrants, and while it is not perfect, it can serve as an example for many other cities around the world.

JB:

...but they have no choice but to “embrace them” because, duh, it’s illegal to discriminate against non-whites.

Of course, it is as if rape were legalized.  Cassie embraces her rapist, one imagines, and can serve as an example for many other women around the world.  Indeed, the essence of Cassie’s screed is, if rape is inevitable, lie back and enjoy it.  But Cassie pathologizes the victim’s resistance and defends the aggressor.

Posted by ben tillman on December 12, 2005, 05:52 AM | #

Astonishing that you focus on and utterly condemn the violence by australians of lebanese descent but say nothing and indeed justify the violence and attacks by australian white youths

It’s elementary that violence offered in self-defense is legitimate.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 12, 2005, 06:56 AM | #

“It’s elementary that violence offered in self-defense is legitimate.” (—Ben Tillman, replying to Andrew Pallis)

You can’t see that, Andrew Pallis?  These people were attacked repeatedly.  A pregnant woman on a stairway was harrassed for “taking up too much room.” Little girls at the beach getting swimming lessons had to be warned to keep their tops on over their swimsuit tops, otherwise the Arabs would harrass them for being “tarts.” LITTLE GIRLS! White Aussies had had enough and were defending themselves.  It was not they who started it.  The others started it.  You disregard that?  What in hell’s wrong with you?  You call yourself a man?  You call yourself normal?  I call you a piece of nothingness.  I call you a walking piece of nihilism.
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-- “All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.”—Enoch Powell
-- Moratorium-plus-Repatriation!
-- Balkanization is better than Brazilianization!
-- The 1965 Immigration-Holocaust Act:  the gift that keeps on giving!
-- What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the usual suspects!

Posted by Desmond Jones on December 12, 2005, 06:57 AM | #

Simon,

What if moving the goal posts meant it was alright to have sex with your mother, or your sister, father or little brother? Is that still a good thing? NAMBLA, as a group, justify moving the goal posts. Is man/boy love acceptable simply because it feel’s good; “I love him and he loves me; or It shouldn’t be a crime to make love”, says eleven year-old Bryan. Moving the goal posts to accommodate human rights will ultimately lead to societal collapse because there is no objective morality.

Hitler a Christian, that’s tough to document. However, even if we accept that notion Stalin and Mao were by far the greater purveyors of death. Again, the danger of atheistic moral relativism allows monsters to commit genocide in order to allegedly save society by wealth re-distribution. Killing a few is justified by the greater good.

Equality=tyranny. What if you were compelled to have sex with these gay men who fancied you? What if refusing them sex was deemed discriminatory? After all you obliged women with sex. If you refuse gays sex, you must be homophobic. You must hate gays. Or do you want the freedom to associate with who you wish for any reason at all?

Heterogeneity- Your response is unclear. The point is that the desire for a homogeneous society is morally valid. If you want to be multicultural then why can’t we be uni-cultural?

If Islam grew to the point of dominance thru massive immigration there would not be the secular society you desire.

Man/women marriage existed long before state based entitlements. Absolutely, remove them. However, what if people started marrying Volkswagens or dogs or trees? Do you think marrying trees, (after all I should be free and equal to decide) would further enhance the reputation of marriage as the foundation of the family and thus society? Where is the line drawn?

Stat after stat after stat shows the impact upon society of broken marriages and /or illegitimacy.

Posted by Cassie on December 12, 2005, 07:03 AM | #

I do apologize for being so liberal on this site. It is quite obvious that most here subscribe to a very narrow political spectrum. It is certainly leaning towards neo-nazism and social Darwinism. And for those of you who have stooped so low as to name-call, do me a favour and call me a lesbian just to get it out of the way. Try to learn how to participate in an academic discussion without calling people gay. That’s an entirely different issue that I would love to bring up some other time but it is quite irrelevant to the events in Australia.

I am fortunate enough to live in a country where people who frequent this site are in the minority. The extreme minority. It is curious that in a country that has one of the most highly educated populations on the planet, there would be so many liberals? Why are Canadians so left-wing? Why do we invite people from other cultures to come, take jobs that would otherwise go to caucasians, access our social safety net and free healthcare and become citizens? Because we all are immigrants ourselves. We all share a common story of adaptation to new cultures. When my grandfather arrived here dirt poor from the Ukraine he was discriminated against for being Slavic. Ukrainians were put in internment camps during the First World War and were barred from certain jobs. Where does one draw the line at racism? When will people wake up and realize that cultural barriers are simply fabrications of the human mind? I go to a university that is over 80% non-white. I am the minority in a sea of buddhist, muslim, hindu and chinese-christian students. There are over 60 countries represented in my biology class alone.

So no I am not alone. I have an entire generation of centre and left-minded people surrounding me. We are all in agreement: multi-culturalism is necessary and important for the creation of our nation. It is not only economically profitable but socially viable, and it will continue to be so for years to come. The people who dispute this are at the centre of racial tension and are therefore causing the problems they so eagerly condemn. Take a step back and re-evaluate your position. Attempt to see two sides of the issue.

So I say to all of you, who are afraid of the unknown, go make some new friends. Try to understand a culture that is different from yours. In my opinion many of you are terrified of change. The riots in Sydney were the largest race riots since two Chinese workers were killed in 1860 during the height of the Aussie goldrush. Are we going backwards?

And no Lurker, I don’t feel superior to you. I respect the fact that you have an opinion, and I won’t stoop to labelling you. However I have deep sympathy for people who fail to find hapiness in life. It is clear to me that you most likely have seen little of the world. I suggest a trip to the region you are would be least likely to set foot in. Try something safe but educational like Jordan or Turkey. You may find yourself realising that we are all the same, whether you like or not. Carbon-based biological beings that are recycled infinitely. It is ultimately up to you whether you intend to live your life with a positive outlook. Personally I like smiling at people of any background when I walk down the street.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 12, 2005, 07:37 AM | #

“And for those of you who have stooped so low as to name-call, do me a favour and call me a lesbian just to get it out of the way. Try to learn how to participate in an academic discussion without calling people gay.” (—Cassie)

That’s addressed to me, so I’ll answer:  I didn’t call anyone homosexual.  I asked Simon if he was a homosexual.  And now I’ll ask you, Cassie, since you hint you might be one:  are you?  Notice I’m not calling you one.

“Ukrainians were put in internment camps during the First World War and were barred from certain jobs.” (—Cassie)

That sounds like one hundred percent bullshit.  You’ll have to back that up, Cassie.

As for the rest of Cassie’s ass-wipe, reading it one realises the best thing Canada could do would be to send her and her defective genes packing back to where her grandfather came from and do it quick before they read this swill she just posted over in the Ukraine and refuse to let her in.
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Moratorium-plus-Repatriation, especially for gravely-defective, completely unsalvagable Ukrainians!

Posted by seelow heights on December 12, 2005, 08:00 AM | #

As a US expat living in Costa Rica ,and married to a mestiza, I applaud the resistance of the Australian youth to their dispossession.
The logic of the multicult regime that reigns throughout the West deems everything Euro as inferior and everything alien as privileged.It takes something beyond the capacity of the typical “intellectual” or middle-class drone to reject the incessant anti-white brainwashing and act in defense of your people. In this context I’m willing to overlook cases of drunken loutishness.

Posted by scopatevi on December 12, 2005, 03:11 PM | #

ma andate AFFANCULO
teste di cazzo razzisti autraliani di merda che scopate con i canguri, minchioni

io vi piscio in culo rotti in culo bastardi teste di cazzo, figli di froci irlandesi e culattoni inglesi fate schifo al cazzo

l’ islam vi sotterrera’ coglioni ubriachi da mattina a sera puzzate di birra
ma sapete quanti australiani ho preso a calci in culo coglioni mi scopo le vostre donne che sboccano di sborra mentre lo prendono in culo dai vostri padri

neanche i canguri vi s’inculano sfigati che vivete nel culo del mondo

Posted by Umberto on December 12, 2005, 07:19 PM | #

Nazism is dead. Poor idiots. Go out, fuck a little bit more...the world is better with diversity rather than omogeneity. I cannot believe that in Australia such those people could exist.

Posted by Paul Connor on December 12, 2005, 07:25 PM | #

All australians are bastards. Does it exist an australian race?

Posted by Marc on December 12, 2005, 07:51 PM | #

So I say to all of you, who are afraid of the unknown, go make some new friends. Try to understand a culture that is different from yours. In my opinion many of you are terrified of change. The riots in Sydney were the largest race riots since two Chinese workers were killed in 1860 during the height of the Aussie goldrush. Are we going backwards?

And no Lurker, I don’t feel superior to you. I respect the fact that you have an opinion, and I won’t stoop to labelling you.

Cassie, you really need to take a deep breath and a long, hard look at yourself.  Within the space of one and a half paragraphs you go from basically calling the people on this site mindless xenophobes to proudly asserting that you won’t stoop to labelling us. 

Now, if you truly don’t feel that you are better than us, and respect our opinions, you should make an effort to debate us in good faith which means answering our questions directly.  If not, then perhaps you should leave because you are not really contributing anything.  Anyway, here are some questions to which I eagerly await your reply: 

Do these cultures that you want us to embrace, accept, and try to understand include cultures that genitally mutilate women and stone homosexuals and adulterers?  If so, then isn’t that “moving backwards”?  If not, then why is it ok for you to draw the line and say “No, we will not have these people in my country...” but anyone else who does the same exact thing for any reason “tends towards neo-nazism”. 

I can point to many, many instances of ethnostates standing the test of time, persisting despite wars, economic depressions, natural disasters, tyranny, etc… Can you point to one example of a multicultural, multiracial nation surviving for, say, eight hundred years?  I am not speaking here about countries with, say, one minority group making up around ten percent of the population.  I am talking about countries where there is no real majority.  I ask this because I can’t think of any, and I find your assertion that multiculturalism is necessary to build your nation just historically naive.  Look at the Balkans and other fringe areas of the former Soviet Union.  Look at Rwanda.  Look at Lebanon and Cyprus.  Multiculturalism is a luxury permitted by prosperous times or else imposed by an authoritarian regime, but once the circumstances that permit it end (which they inevitably do) we are left with human nature, instilled in us through billions of years of evolution, which will always demand a certain tribal allegiance.  At least, that’s how I see it. 

Do racial and ethnic groups have an inherent right to self-preservation?  If not, then why do we venerate the victims of the Holocaust more so than any other civilian victims of World War II?  If so, then why would you deny white people this right through government-enforced diversity which, in the long run, would lead to the disappearance of white Europeans as a specific racial/ethnic group? 

Again, I look forward to your reply.

Posted by elia on December 12, 2005, 07:57 PM | #

Fottuti idioti del cazzo, vergognatevi.

Posted by Mark Richardson on December 12, 2005, 08:28 PM | #

Cassie is offering us that strange left-wing undergrad mentality which strips categories of their real content. I heard someone justify drug traffickers the other day because all they were doing was “transporting white powder from country to country”. For Cassie, there are no useful distinctions between humans to be preserved because it is adequate to describe humans as “Carbon-based biological beings that are recycled infinitely.”

I don’t see how Cassie can develop a useful politics while she still thinks about things in this way.

Posted by Nico on December 12, 2005, 08:29 PM | #

Hey mates i cannot really understand whats happened there form so far away, but i know aussie ppl, they seem to have exagerated a bit, but i believe they had their rigjht reasons to do that.
I just hope sydney is not gonna be an unsafety place, but im sure it won’t.
Let me answer to some italian faggots who posted here.
Non so da quale buco di culo veniate, certo é ke non avete capito un cazzo e ke dimostrate la vostra ignoranza e il fatto di essere delle scorie umane.
Per fortuna(vostra) gli amici australiani non vi capiscono!!
certo, voi non sapete manco scrivere in italiano, parlate come animali, figuriamoci in un’altra lingua!!
Be, io ho vissuto in australia e sono orgoglioso di essere stato in un paese che é il piú bello del mondo senza nessun dubbio, nella cittá piú incredibile che esista, sydney, e reputo gli australiani la miglior gente possibile.
L’italia le bacia il culo all’australia, in tutto....no way man, non c’é paragone, tu povero sottosviluppato verrai da qualch paesino arretrato del sud, o anche nord italia, pieno di merda, spazzature per strada, gent ignorante, sei frustrato e caliente perché non ti senti realizzato o magari non te la da manco un cane, e scrivi puttanate qua.
ma va¡ a scoparti il tuo gatto!!
dunque, bambocci, io ho vissuto in australia e italia, e posso dirvio che l’italia é terzo mondo rispetto alla terra down under.
in tutto, nei servizi, nelle cittá, nell’ambiente, nella gente, nel clima....in tutto é meglio l’australia.
e gli australiani hanno molti piú soldi,,,,quindi anche se son piú lontani da certi posti, possono andarci!!
ma poi, piú lontani da dove???
dalll’italia??? ma ti ricordo handiccapato mentale che son gli italiani a essere andati in australia con valigie di cartone, mica il contrario!!! gli australiani manco lo penserebbero di venire in un paese di merda come é l’italia, chi glielo farebbe fare??? non cé lavoro, non si sta bene, la gente é arretrata é stupida, perché cazzo dovrebbero andare in italia?????
riguardati la storia, bamboccio, e vedrai che sono gli altri che vanno in australia, non il contrario.
e glia italiani son sempre stati la miseria umana per eccellenza, andati a fare fame dappertutto,,,,e ora rompono i coglioni!!!ma va al diavolo, scemo.
gli italiani erano merda negli usa, ghettizzati, delinquenti e maltrattati.
lo stesso in argentina e brasile, sempre disprezzati…
peggio che mai in australia, a sydney cé un quartiere con immigrati italiani, brook vale, kiamato sydney’s mafia.
ora gli aussies non se l’hanno presa con gli italiani solo perché sono nascosti, non sono piú un gruppo in australia, hanno capito che dovevano adattarsi, non parlare italiano, non rompere i coglioni e starsene buoni, come gli australiani.
altrimenti al posto dei lebs ci sarebbero i pizzas.....o i cocoliche, tanos de mierda, come li kiamano in argentina.
in tutta europa, é una vergogna dire di essere italiano, ti ridono in faccia ovunque.
i piu disprezzati, miserabili e leccaculo d’europa!!!
quelli da evitare come la peste!!!
questo grazie a stupidi come voi, che dicono cazzate, che non sanno pensare, che non ragionano come la maggior parte degli italiani.
che corrono dietro al primo asino che passa.
ma tu l’hai vista roma?? e hai visto sydney???
non ce paragone, scarafaggio,sydney é in un altro mondo rispetto a roma.....come dire new york e il tuo paese!!!
a sydney ci sono mille spiagge bellissime, grattacieli fenomenali, parchi moderni, progresso dappertutto, treni che ti sfrecciano in testa come ufo!!! mai visti in altre parti.
a roma??? merda di cavallo vicino al colosseo (un veccho rudere), rovine cadenti, due sole linee di metró, disorganizzazione totale, clima che sará bello rispetto a milano-merda, ma che rispetto a sydney é una caca, e poi i romani, gente arettrata, sottosviluppata. rimasta all’epoca di giulio cesare e mafiosa, e che manco sa parlare, poveri mongoloidi (senza offesa per i mongoloidi che sono molto meglio di loro).
e poi l’ambiente che cé attorno all’australia é il migliore del pianeta!! perché un australiano dovrebbe andare in europa, continente antiquato e arretrato, piano di guerre e lotte (gli islamici lo stanno facendo a pezzi...) pikkoli stati insignificanti....per un aussie, é l’europa il culo del mondo, e l’italia manco esiste!!!
pensa che l’italia é grande l metá del new south wales!!!
l’america é alla stessa distanza piú o meno da europa e australia, anzi quella del sud é molto piú vicina ll’australia.
e poi ci sono gli stati piú belli dell’asia a un passo, le spiagge della thailandia (dove i porci italiani vanno a fare i pedofili) o il giappone a sole otto ore.
il culo del mondo é l’europa!!!
e per le tue teorie assurde, be, quando gli islamici ti avranno messo una bella bomba in casa, canterai meno.....
per roma, é questione di tempo, fra poco quello di madrid e londra tokkerá a lei, se stai a roma preparati a scappare.
e fra una cinquantina d’anni non so che resterá dell’europa...e questo anke per colpa dei minorati come voi.
non so cosa ha portato i sydneysiders a reagire cosí, ma io prima di tutto non giudico senza sapere, ricordati che si fa cosí.
poi, conosco bne i sydneysiders e so ke ci deve essere una causa se la gente piú tranquilla del mondo ha fatto cosí...mika sono milanesi qualsiasi, che agiscono senza usare il cervello.
discriminare va male, me non sappiamo cosa c’é stato alla base.
in ogni caso, quando una bomba devastará l’italia, vedremo se sarai tanto sicuro di te.
per ora, qualsiasi cosa possa dire, non hai ragione, sei un idiota, bo.
e tieni fede al tuo nome, scemo, fatti scopare.
da un asino.
ciao bambino

Posted by Desmond Jones on December 12, 2005, 08:56 PM | #

In 1914, 80,000 Ukrainians registered as “enemy aliens” and 8,579 “enemy aliens” confined in internment camps in Canada. Prior to WWI over 170,000 Ukrainians had settled in Canada. That left a population of over 90,000 available to fight for their adopted country. Approximately, 2,000 Ukrainians served in Europe. Philip Konoval was awarded the Victoria Cross.

How do Ukrainians measure up when it came to “equality of sacrifice”. Not very well. The CEF, altold, totalled 650,000. 50,000 were French Quebecers. Not quite 600,000 were Anglos. The Anglo population of Canada in 1914, was ~6 million. The Anglo enlistment percentage was over 10%. The Ukrainian enlistment as a percentage of the population available to serve was just over 2%.

Cassie, and those like her, as usual, only tell one part of the story. War eforts in Canada, whether you believe those wars justified or not, were overwhelmingly Anglo-Celtic efforts. WWII was no better.

Cdn historian Jack Granatstein:

“The Second World War representation of other ethnicities in the CF was better than in the Great War, but still below standard. Every ethnic group has carefully massaged data to show that it sent the highest percentage etc, etc; this is all nonsense, in my view, because it includes conscripts and fails to differentiate between combat arms and services...”

Ukrainain descended Paul Yuzyk, a professional ethnic, was name the father of multiculturalism. He too, sat out WWII as a conscript; a Zombie. He complained of ill treatment during the thirties; discriminated against by Anglos in his search for work. No one mentions that most people in western Canada couldn’t find work during the Great Depression. It also is never mentioned by the Cassie’s of this world, that being in Canada, during the purges of the Holodomor, saved the ass of many more Ukies than were ever interned.

Ukrainians have done well in Canada; Sawchuk, Bower, and Gretzky, and instead of complaining about internment should be asking why their record of service for their adopted country is so shameful.

Posted by jak on December 12, 2005, 09:05 PM | #

Do YOU think you have problems?
We DO have… believe me

Posted by jak on December 12, 2005, 09:11 PM | #

(Nico… you mean...)

Posted by Phil on December 12, 2005, 09:14 PM | #

“Carbon-based biological beings that are recycled infinitely.”

Well so are Rats, Chimpanzees, Gorillas, Orangutans, Leopards, Dogs, Wolves.............almost all mammals on the face of the Earth.

What does that prove?

Anyway, trying to argue with such buffoonery is a waste of time and energy.

Posted by Phil on December 12, 2005, 09:18 PM | #

Cassie,

I have heard better arguments about Politics from 12 year olds.

How old are you? 11??

Posted by Claire on December 13, 2005, 12:05 AM | #

Hey Lurker. Sorry I haven’t been replying. I have exams this week and typically don’t sit in front of my computer longer than an hour at a time. So here are some answers:
First of all linking you to a website to “prove” a point is a bit ridiculous because websites are rarely void of bias and opinion. However, as you wish:
http://www.infoukes.com/history/internment/

I have done some research on this topic and Ukrainians were interned for years. Some remained interned after the war was over in order to provide a free labour source for building early infrastructure in Canada. I’m proud to be Ukrainian, as I am to be Irish. What is your background?
and for that matter where do you live?

***Do these cultures that you want us to embrace, accept, and try to understand include cultures that genitally mutilate women and stone homosexuals and adulterers?  If so, then isn’t that “moving backwards”?  If not, then why is it ok for you to draw the line and say “No, we will not have these people in my country...” but anyone else who does the same exact thing for any reason “tends towards neo-nazism”.  ***

You seem to have missed a fundamental part of my argument. Yes I concur that there are cultures with brutal customs for which I have no respect. You fail to recognize, however, that an often comes to a country to ESCAPE these cultural evils. I am talking about integrated and fully immersed immigrants which adopt the values of the country they have chosen. I am merely pointing out that the policy of certain governments has not been helpful in allowing immigrant cultures to assimilate. Others are doing a better job. In many countries it is working. Multi-culturalism is working. I exalt in that, as I sit here in my university library with two Taiwanese students on my left and a Nepalese masters student to my right. We are living proof.

In the city I live in multiculturalism is vital politically, socially and economically. I have a few examples below that you will just have to take my word on. Nevertheless I hope you will understand from reading them that mixed societies are constructive and flourishing. To deny that they are working in many corners of the world is ludicrous.

Exhibit A: I take my laundry to a drycleaners a few blocks from my house. It is run by an elderly couple from India. They are muslim and deeply religious. Besides their laundromat they have little impact on the neighbourhood. So what, you may ask, is their contribution to society?
They have one daughter and one son. Scrimping and saving for years they managed to send both their children to medical school. One has graduated and is a GP, the other is finishing their degree. They will be instrumental in improving our health care system which is in dire need of new, young doctors.

Exhibit B: The bakery where I fetch bread for the restaurant I work at is run by an Iranian couple (Muslim of course). They moved here a few years ago and set up shop. Their bakery is called “Mom and Pops”, and it is the glue that holds the village together. They sponsor local soccer teams and are part of the merchants society which supports small businesses.

Exhibit C: My mother’s doctor is an Ismaili Muslim woman from Kenya. You may not be familiar with the Ismaili religion. It has many followers in Canada and its pillars are equality of the sexes, higher education and spiritual stability. Many Ismailis are professionals: doctors, lawyers, professors. Look it up.

Exhibit D: My grandmother lives in an old age home. Many of the nurses that work there are Phillipino. One particular nurse named Joey has 7 brothers that all became nurses and work in geriatric care or emergency rooms. Each brother would pass on his nursing texts to the next brother in line! This is a prime example of how one Phillipino family has made an enormous contribution. Joey is my grandma’s favourite nurse and provides priceless care. He is entirely more vital to our society than many others, white or not.

****I can point to many, many instances of ethnostates standing the test of time, persisting despite wars, economic depressions, natural disasters, tyranny, etc… Can you point to one example of a multicultural, multiracial nation surviving for, say, eight hundred years? ***

An excellent exampe would be Turkey (or the Ottoman region). Until the First World War and the policies of Enver Pasha there remained a large and thriving Greek Christian population in Turkey. There have been fluctuating Roman populations, Armenian, Jewish and Muslim populations. In fact, despite the unrest in the last century, Turkey serves to show that populations have been mixing for millennia.

And as for your opinion that evolution has instilled in us a function that causes unrest among multicultural states.... Do you have any background in genetic studies? Are you certain you understand the principles of evolution? Evolution does not turn human against human. I am doing a degree in genetics and I assure you there is no racist gene. If anything, studies have shown that opposites really do attract. This is an adaptation of humans to PROMOTE MIXING withing populations to enhance variation. If you were familiar with genetics then you would know that the most fundamental truth in evolutionary ecology is variation promotes survival. Offspring of mixed ethnicity are healthier and more resistant to genetic disorders and disease. So do NOT bring genetics into this because social darwinism is not only the strictest form of racism but also a theory which has been disproved by geneticists in recent history. Our genes want us to live mulitculturally. Deal with it.

Cheers.
Oh and no. I’m not gay, but thanks for asking.

Posted by Cassie on December 13, 2005, 12:12 AM | #

Oh and Desmond, thanks for the enlightenment on the Ukrainian fighting force for WWI. What you entirely left out is that because they were technically citizens of the Austro-Hungarian empire (against their will), the Canadian government wouldn’t let them fight fearing they would pass on crucial information to the Germans. The numbers will obviously not show this, and statistical information is often useless in light of cultural and political norms. You are victime to the enormous condescension of posterity. Get your history straight.

And for the record my grandfather served in the RAF for the entirety of World War 2.

Posted by Kubilai on December 13, 2005, 12:13 AM | #

It is clear that Cassie is from Canada and goes to the University of Toronto.  It is also clear that she has swallowed the egalitarian bilge that is fed her.  While her majority non-white classmates say “good girl Cassie, keep drinking for it is pure nectar” as she guzzles it down.  She does not notice they throw theirs into the sewer system where it belongs.  She is naive and as much as I would love to slap her into reality, only time will do that.  The unfortunate aspect is that one sees a significant (or maybe it just seems that way since I notice it too clearly now) the degree of inter-racial relationships in Toronto, the god forsaken city. 

Hopefully one day Cassie, you’ll sober up from your egalitarian inebriation and realize that most whites in the city are living amongst themselves and in places away from the wonders of diversity.  Get out of downtown and see the truth.

Oh and Cassie, you may want to look at the stats of just who is Liberal in Canada and where they live.  Maybe that will help you somewhat in your road to recovery.

Posted by Guessedworker on December 13, 2005, 12:21 AM | #

Claire,

You are not living proof of anything.  You are a victim of globalisation and of advanced liberalism.  In no small measure this site exists to free you from these tyrannies so that you can live according to your nature.  Please give yourself some time to find out what this means, for you surely do not know now.

Posted by Kubilai on December 13, 2005, 12:21 AM | #

An excellent exampe would be Turkey (or the Ottoman region). Until the First World War and the policies of Enver Pasha there remained a large and thriving Greek Christian population in Turkey.

Oh good God, you brainwashed idiot.  Stick to what you are good at Cassie/Claire and that is singing the egalitarian party line.  Leave history alone for you have no damn clue what you speak of.

Posted by Marc on December 13, 2005, 01:46 AM | #

Cassie,

Thank you for answering my questions.  I am going to leave your anecdotal experiences alone because in the grand scheme of things they don’t matter.  For every multicultural success story you trot out, I could trot out one showing it to be a disaster and neither of us would necessarily be liars.

What puzzles me is that you say that you find some cultures repugnant but would accept people fleeing from those cultures into your own country.  How do you propose that we make certain of their motivations?  How do you propose that we weed out those who would foster those cultural attitudes in our countries? 

In regards to the Ottoman Empire… what happened to those Greek Christians, eh?  For that matter, what happened to the Ottoman Empire itself, or the Armenians much later?  What is happening now in Iraq?  I won’t deny that multiethnic, multicultural societies can thrive when there is prosperity, but the pattern really does seem to be that they thrive ONLY when there is prosperity. 

I hope to God you are not really pursuing a career in the biological sciences, because your statement that genes do NOT turn human against human is ludicrous.  Every effort we make to compete for mates against other humans is driven by an urge to spread our genes.  Every bar fight and act of simple jealousy is a result of our genes.  Every tribe ever formed at the expense of another tribe did so because of their genes.  Hell, even chimpanzees wage war on each other, rape the females in other tribes and kill the men and babies so the women will bear THEIR young (i.e. spread their own genes) sooner.

And if we are going to discuss race mixing, yes, there is something called “hybrid vigor” which may improve the health of offspring for one generation.  However, there is a much, much better documented result of mixed-race couplings, at least in regards to blacks and whites or blacks and Asians, and that is depressed IQs among the children relative to the non-black parent.  It is a simple fact that the average IQ of blacks is 85, whereas whites have an average IQ of 100 and Asians are at around 105.  (If you find yourself dismissing that fact out of hand because it is “racist” or “not nice” I would suggest you abandon your dreams of becoming a scientist).  It is also a simple fact that black-white biracial children have average IQs between the white and black means.  These IQ gaps show up across all socioeconomic levels and even in cases of transracial adoption, meaning, I’m sorry, but it ain’t nurture or environment. 

Now, I ask you, do you really think that a society full of people with an IQ of around 92 would produce the same culture and art as a society full of people with an IQ of 100 or 105?  Of course not.  Such a seemingly small shift would have drastic effects on the tail ends of the bell curve.  Now why should we, as white people, welcome the importation of millions of low IQ minorities into our country when they are only going to serve to drive down the aggregate IQ and will impede further cultural and scientific achievements?  Hmmm...?

Posted by Desmond jones on December 13, 2005, 02:14 AM | #

Of the 170,000 plus Ukrainians in Canada pre-WWI, 80,000 were designated enemy aliens. 90,000 plus were not so designated however, and were free to serve. Only 2% of that number chose to serve. It’s shameful considering the death of 60,000 overwhelming Anglo Canucks who served, for what they believed, rightly or wrongly, was to secure their nations traditions. Anglos were rightfully resentful of ethnics upon there return. There was no equivalence of sacrifice, it was only ‘we bleed while they breed’.

As Granatstein suggests, all the ethnics pumped up their numbers. So the question is, where did your Grandfather serve, in Canada? Yuzyk also served in the RAF but did not go overseas. He was conscripted, and with the exception of 2500 Zombies, who served in NW Europe with the First Cdn Army, late in the war (most of whom were Anglos) conscripts did not see action in Europe.

Ukrainians in Canada, in the thirties, escaped the horrors of the Holodomor, because of Canadian benevolence, yet you continue to spue vile unmitigated hatred toward the founding Anglo-Celtic people. It’s shameful.

Posted by Lurker on December 13, 2005, 02:50 AM | #

Cassie/Claire

You celebrate diversity in Canada. You support immigration.

You have stated these positions.

Lets say Canada was 10% black, 10% chinese, 10% arab and 70% white. Im just making those figures up as an example. That would be a form of diversity.

If, through immigration, those figures changed to 20, 20, 20 & 40 would that represent more or less diversity?

What would happen if more chinese than anyone else arrived and we end up 5, 80, 5 & 10. Would that represent more or less diversity?

If we reach 5, 80, 5 & 10 and that is the optimal level of diversity, how do you propse to maintain that?

Ive simplified of course, does diversity in fact mean scouring the globe to find small groups to come in, rather than augmenting a few large ones?

Are you beginning to see the problem here?

Do you propose a diversity authority to distribute immigrants around?

“Hello Manitoba here, we need a dozen Indians, an Irish guy and three Greeks otherwise our DQ (Diversity Quotient) will drop into the red zone!”

“Hello Alberta here, its an emergency! A chinese woman has just had triplets, if you cant get us a Hmong and a Basque by tonight we are in big trouble!”

Obviously thats silly but as you seem to think the main benefit to us (the host population) is the diversity we enjoy as a result it would worth nailing down the details.

How will you maintain diversity without immigration control? The ethnic mix will keep changing or one group could get bigger than all the others - without control.

What that leads to is what you really mean by diversity? I suspect you unconsciously take it to mean fewer white people. Or maybe you dont, I would love to know.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 13, 2005, 03:18 AM | #

That was a first-rate post, Lurker!  Very well-done!  Excellent points!  (And hilarious, too!) Thank you for that! 

(Lurker’s shaping up to be one of the most skillful and entertaining commenters here—which is saying a lot, given the quality one encounters among this site’s commentariat!)

Good job!
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Posted by Lurker on December 13, 2005, 03:34 AM | #

Thanks Fred!

Posted by ben tillman on December 13, 2005, 04:13 AM | #

Let’s look at what Cassie Claire has to say:

Do you have any background in genetic studies?

No, but the relevant principles are general principles of evolutionary biology.

Are you certain you understand the principles of evolution?

Absolutely.

Evolution does not turn human against human.

Are you proposing that humans exist in universal harmony with one another?  Or are you suggesting that human conflict is the result of supernatural intervention?  Those are the only alternatives to the proposition you reject.

I am doing a degree in genetics and I assure you there is no racist gene.

Good for you; you have stated a fact.  But you have tackled a straw man.  It is genetic difference that creates an evolutionary conflict of interest.

If anything, studies have shown that opposites really do attract. This is an adaptation of humans to PROMOTE MIXING withing populations to enhance variation. If you were familiar with genetics then you would know that the most fundamental truth in evolutionary ecology is variation promotes survival.

As an aspiring geneticist, have you studied any biology? 

Do you know what an organism is? 

How do the cells in your body manage to cooperate so well in keeping Cassie Claire alive? 

Does it have anything to do with the fact that each somatic cell shares its genes with all other somatic cells? 

Why are the germ cells segregated so early in the body’s development? 

Do you understand the purpose of meiosis, and do you realize that genes sometimes subvert that purpose through meiotic drive? 

Why does a human body often reject a transplanted organ? 

Do you understand that the function of the immune system is to distinguish self from non-self? 

Are AIDS patients healthier than humans with robust immune systems?

Is it good for your body to allow the indiscriminate immigration of bacteria, viruses, protozoa, worms, etc.?

Again, do you know what an organism is?

Do you understand the advantages that an organism of lower-level units has over disorganized lower-level units? 

Do you understand the difficulties in integrating lower-level units to constitute an organism?

Do you understand that human communities can in fact constitute organisms, and that, ceteris paribus, human communities will outcompete human individuals?

And that human communities, to survive, require a functioning immune system just as a human body does?

Offspring of mixed ethnicity are healthier and more resistant to genetic disorders and disease.

No one is “resistant” to genetic disease.  What you mean is that they are less likely to be homozygous with a recessive allele that is not present in equal proportions in all populations.  That can indeed produce vigor in this sense in comparison with other individual humans.  But we are at a disadvantage if we are mere individuals in competition with organized communities.

So do NOT bring genetics into this because social darwinism is not only the strictest form of racism but also a theory which has been disproved by geneticists in recent history.

Social Darwinism is not really the term you are looking for.

Posted by ben tillman on December 13, 2005, 04:26 AM | #

Yes, Lurker, that was well done.  As you can see, I also believe it profitable to encourage our interlocutor to think for herself.  She will not accept us as authorities, so why tell her what to think?

Posted by Lurker on December 13, 2005, 04:32 AM | #

Thanks Ben. Im sure Cassie is a good person and really means well, wants the best for everyone, but Im sure she hasnt thought much about any of this stuff before.

Posted by JB on December 13, 2005, 06:33 AM | #

thanks Lurker. I’d put the above comment in the Comments Hall of Fame if there was one

“Hello this is Yukon. We need lots of non-whites, millions of them. We’re dying of homogeneositosis. ”

Posted by JB on December 13, 2005, 06:48 AM | #

Kubilai:

It is clear that Cassie is from Canada and goes to the University of Toronto.

all universities are probably the same. Not only in Canada but in the US as well

Posted by JB on December 13, 2005, 07:08 AM | #

Cassie:

It is curious that in a country that has one of the most highly educated populations on the planet, there would be so many liberals?

that’s funny because I often read or hear that nazism rose in one of the most educated and cultured nation in Europe. This is the example often used to show that bad ideas can settle in the intelligent and educated minds

Cassie:

Why are Canadians so left-wing? Why do we invite people from other cultures to come, take jobs that would otherwise go to caucasians, access our social safety net and free healthcare and become citizens? Because we all are immigrants ourselves.

Canadians don’t invite other immigrants because they don’t decide anything when it comes to immigration (and pretty much everything else too for that matter). I don’t recall voting to allow BC to become a chinese colony and Toronto to be turned into a dangerous multiracial mess.

Did you vote for that ?

Ottawa Putting [920] Millions Into Ontario Immigration

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/11/ottawa_putting_millions_into_o.php

or this ?

Ottawa has a $2 billion plan “to cut waiting lists and dramatically boost immigration”

http://hogtownfront.blogspot.com/2005/11/ottawa-has-2-billion-plan-to-cut.html

Cassie:

I have an entire generation of centre and left-minded people surrounding me. We are all in agreement: multi-culturalism is necessary and important for the creation of our nation.

And you all came to that conclusion by examining the big picture and making rational inferences ?

Cassie:

It is not only economically profitable but socially viable, and it will continue to be so for years to come.

how do you know that ? what are your predictions based on ?

Cassie:

The people who dispute this are at the centre of racial tension and are therefore causing the problems they so eagerly condemn.

name me one, or even 1/2 of one, politician or well-known public figure in Canada that is

A)disputing that multiculturalism is a good thing

and

B)causing racial tension because of it

even Stephen Harper courts sikhs and non-white groups

http://www.vdare.com/misc/grace_canada.htm

Cassie:

In my opinion many of you are terrified of change.

afraid of change that is bad for us. who wouldn’t ?

Cassie:

However I have deep sympathy for people who fail to find hapiness in life.

do you have sympathy for this girl ? can you guess why she didn’t find happiness much less elementary safety in that school ?

http://hogtownfront.blogspot.com/2005/11/16-black-students-charged-after-white.html

Cassie:

Evolution does not turn human against human. I am doing a degree in genetics and I assure you there is no racist gene.

you mean a gene for racism. Genes don’t have opinions so they can’t be racists. Since we don’t know yet exactly what all our genes do it’s rather presomptious of you to declare that there is no genetic basis for say ethnocentrism :

(MacDonald)In this regard, it is interesting that developmental psychologists have found unusually intense fear reactions among Israeli infants in response to strangers, while the opposite pattern is found for infants from North Germany.

There’s no Universal Individual VS Universal Individual, there are groups who compete against other groups. That’s what evolution and history has been to date so everyone should prefer caution and reality to your Can’t-we-just-get-along-I-mean-we’re-all-the-same-under-the-skin brand of sentimental naiveté

Cassie:

If anything, studies have shown that opposites really do attract. This is an adaptation of humans to PROMOTE MIXING withing populations to enhance variation. If you were familiar with genetics then you would know that the most fundamental truth in evolutionary ecology is variation promotes survival.

this real or fictional attraction for those who have a different immune system is or would be a good thing within the same ethnic/racial group but if you have say africans and whites in the same place and that after decades of anti-white propaganda white people started breeding with africans there would be a degradation in the quality of humans in at least the intelligence department. Lowering the children’s intelligence towards the african mean would harm them more than any possible immunity to some diseases. (and are we talking about diseases that wouldn’t exist in Canada if it weren’t for the presence of immigrants from Africa and Asia ?)

and what about multiculturalism/multiracialism/multisomethingism in the animal world ? Surely it must exist in nature if it’s as positively adaptative as you claim.

Cassie:

Offspring of mixed ethnicity are healthier and more resistant to genetic disorders and disease.

you better come up with some references for that assertion.

Eugenics within the same racial group would lead to healthier and more resistant to disorders and diseases if the selections and actions are done correctly. The ashkenazi jews have almost eradicated one of their traditional genetic diseases by genetic tests and abortions :

Tay-Sachs Said To Be Nearly Eradicated Among Ashkenazim

http://jewishweek.org/news/newscontent.php3?artid=10405&print=yes

Cassie:

So do NOT bring genetics into this because[non sequitur] social darwinism is not only the strictest form of racism but also a theory which has been disproved by geneticists in recent history. Our genes want us to live mulitculturally. Deal with it.

race-mixing isn’t multiculturalism it’s miscegenation. If we all mix together and all behave in the same manner it will result in uniculturalism not multiculturalism. Cassie do you realize that you don’t know the meaning of the words that you use ? Something is wrong here

Posted by Simon on December 13, 2005, 07:37 AM | #

If Islam takes over the west, it will by through the choice of the people...nothing else.... If Islam folds in the middle east and asia it will again be through the choice of the people.
Religion is a choice.... you can change your religion every few minutes if you want to… many do.
Lets get back to Cronulla.... this is a youth based issue, not a religious or racial one.... nothing else.

Posted by aussie scum on December 13, 2005, 09:11 AM | #

fuck your kangooros you drunken gang of pricks, you are living at the very end of the world, I spit on your nation fuck you motherfuckers, sons of irish scum

Posted by stocazzo di nico!!! on December 13, 2005, 09:24 AM | #

senti coglione di nico,

allora vattene affanculo a sidney e non cagarmi il cazzo

io sto a roma, se vuoi ci incontriamo che te lo spacco bene bene il tuo culo, coglione che non sei altro. e sapessi quanto ho girato, per dirti che gli anglosassoni sono una massa di teste di cazzo , e tu sei il primo coglione frustrato a cui l’italia non ha dato un cazzo, ma vattene a fare in culo in australia che di gente inutile come te non ne abbiamo bisgono. sicuramente sarai un terrone del cazzo, siciliano o peggio ancora calabrese, che avrai fatto le tue valigie di cartone piene di soppressata e che non scopa da quando aveva i brufoli in faccia. ma vaffanculo terrone sugaminchia pugliese del cazzo

Posted by Mark Richardson on December 13, 2005, 09:28 AM | #

Lurker, great post, but not too far from reality. At one school I worked at the principal decided that the children were deprived because there were too few Chinese at the school. So he sent the assistant principal to China to get some. True story.

Posted by corrado on December 13, 2005, 10:48 AM | #

we are going to see more of this in the future

there is an obvious stumbling block to theintegration of a community that does not want to integrate.

let us not confuse the liberal society with a society that excuse any sort of behaviour.

who does not accept the principle of freedom should be banned whether it is a person or A WHOLE COMMUNITY

Posted by Svigor on December 13, 2005, 07:27 PM | #

I find myself wondering why this issue has generated more posts, and more liberal interest, than anything ever posted at MR to date.

I see two possible contributing factors, aside from random chance, and both boil down to the same thing: lots of liberal bloggers linked to the story, and/or the political violence is coming from white people.

The riots in France, despite their much greater scale, didn’t generate this kind of interest.

The riots in New Orleans, despite their much greater publicity, didn’t generate this kind of interest.

The riots in Cronulla, despite their much smaller scale and publicity, have liberals all tied up in knots.

It seems to me that what really has all these leftists in a tizzy is that the political violence is coming from white people for a change.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 13, 2005, 10:30 PM | #

“It seems to me that what really has all these leftists in a tizzy is that the political violence is coming from white people for a change.” (—Svigor)

Excellent point.  If white people ever start to wake up you’re going to see a lot of people on the left crapping in their pants from sheer fright.

Posted by Guessedworker on December 13, 2005, 11:13 PM | #

Svi,

Liberals have always assumed the elasticity of white tolerance to be limitless.  The appearance of a limit shakes their faith to its roots.  What is advanced liberalism worth, then, if there are limits which they did not foresee and cannot control and, what’s more, are imposed upon it from the one quarter they always discounted?

This is not the worst time to be alive.

Posted by Kieran on December 13, 2005, 11:35 PM | #

Do you know what makes me upset about the Cronulla riots? An drunken, angry mob attacked police, paramedics (I think that is just as bad as beating up lifesavers) and ordinary people of Middle Eastern appearance who came to enjoy the beach.

Now, I am pissed off at what the Lebanese gangs are doing in Sydney as ‘payback’.

Why can’t both sides grow some balls and have a ‘Gangs of New York’ style fight instead of targeting innocent bystanders.

Posted by Svigor on December 13, 2005, 11:55 PM | #

This is not the worst time to be alive.

No it’s not, is it?

It’s been a particularly engaging six months or so.

:D

Posted by Svigor on December 14, 2005, 12:02 AM | #

Do you know what makes me upset about the Cronulla riots? An drunken, angry mob attacked police, paramedics (I think that is just as bad as beating up lifesavers) and ordinary people of Middle Eastern appearance who came to enjoy the beach.

Now, I am pissed off at what the Lebanese gangs are doing in Sydney as ‘payback’.

Why can’t both sides grow some balls and have a ‘Gangs of New York’ style fight instead of targeting innocent bystanders.

What you’re pissed about is multiculturalism.  The reality of human interaction is group conflict.  Reduce the group cleavages in a country, reduce the conflict; increase the group cleavages in a country, increase the conflict.

Multiculturalism and multiracialism are recipes for conflict.

You’re pissed at what you claim to admire.

Posted by Kieran on December 14, 2005, 12:26 AM | #

I’m not pissed off at multiculturalism. I see the Lebanese gangs as a bunch of youths (15-25) who happen to be Lebanese. I know that these individuals do not represent the Lebanese community.

Just like I believe the ‘Cronulla Cowards’ (as the Bra Boys have labelled them), do not represent the white Australian community.

I see both sides as a bunch of criminals.

Apparently, thi is not the first time there have been violence regarding the beach. In the 60s, there used to by conflicts between surfies and rockers. This was before multiculturalism.

Posted by Svigor on December 14, 2005, 02:00 AM | #

I’m not pissed off at multiculturalism.

Yes, you are, you’re just not recognizing that what you’re pissed at is part and parcel of, inseparable from, and an inevitable consequence of MCism.

I should take a step back and acknowledge that MCism is a fuzzy word and means different things to different people in different contexts.  I’m using it as a metaphor for multiracialism anti-majoritarian warfare, but strictly speaking that’s not what MCism is.  MCism is ostensibly just a way of dealing with multiracialism and “diversity,” and is actually better than assimilationist panmixia IMO.  Then again it carries the seeds of its own destruction as it tacitly invites whites to behave just as other more collectivist groups do, which spells KABOOM.

I see the Lebanese gangs as a bunch of youths (15-25) who happen to be Lebanese. I know that these individuals do not represent the Lebanese community.

That’s just absurd.  First of all, if the Lebanese don’t represent the Lebanese, then who the !$#% does?  Second, as I’ve stated before, you’re practically never going to see grandmas or soccer moms or joe six packs rioting, because that’s just not who riots.  Young males are the violent arm of every ethny.

Just like I believe the ‘Cronulla Cowards’ (as the Bra Boys have labelled them), do not represent the white Australian community.

Who does then?

I see both sides as a bunch of criminals.

I’m sure someone better-educated than me can dredge up a great quote about how war makes criminals of us all.  Oh well.

Apparently, thi is not the first time there have been violence regarding the beach. In the 60s, there used to by conflicts between surfies and rockers. This was before multiculturalism.

There’s logic for you.  So, since every neighborhood has lawbreakers, we should all make an effort to import as many lawbreakers as possible?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 14, 2005, 02:22 AM | #

“you’re practically never going to see grandmas or soccer moms or joe six packs rioting, because that’s just not who riots.  Young males are the violent arm of every ethny.” (—Svigor, just above)

That’s another excellent point.
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Posted by Lurker on December 14, 2005, 03:07 AM | #

Simon - I presume you regard it as a coincidence that the battle lines in Sydney have been drawn along ethnic lines. It just happened that this week the white blokes decided to be on one side and the lebanese on another. Next week they might mix it up and have blokes with even numbered car number plates vs odd numbers. Why not?

Posted by Kieran on December 14, 2005, 04:32 AM | #

First of all, if the Lebanese don’t represent the Lebanese, then who the !$#% does?

They represent themselves. Did you think they organise themselves with the community leaders and the general Lebanese community to discuss ‘who shall we beat up”?

They are just a bunch of selfish hooligans with no respect for no one (including their own community).

Did the Aboriginal youth rioting in Redfern represent us? No.
Did the Anglo youth rioting in Macquarie Fields represent us? No.
Did David Hicks fighting in Afghanistan represent us? No.

You cannot sample a minority to generalise the majority.

There’s logic for you.  So, since every neighborhood has lawbreakers, we should all make an effort to import as many lawbreakers as possible?

Last time I checked, the Immigration Department were pretty strict with importing lawbreakers. They have pretty tough procedures hence the boat people. Of course you are too smart to stereotype all immigrants as lawbreakers.

Posted by Sam on December 14, 2005, 06:38 AM | #

Ok Svigor your going to have to help me with this one....

What war exactly is it that we are fighting???

Are you saying that these Lebanese represent the entirity of the Lebanese population in Australia???
Isn’t that like saying that Mason family represents the entirity of the American population???

This kind of logic strikes me as exceptionally flawed… As with all races and cultures the people within them are not one big homogeneous group… People are just people… with all their flaws and virtues....
To try and draw such tenuous distinctions is hardly helpful…

Yes some of these people rioting are muslim.... but their number is miniscule in comparison to the number of muslims in the immediate area (there for wouldnt the majority of lebanes/muslim peoples actions in response to this rioting be peaceful??? if this is true then how can this tiny minority of lebanese rioters be representative of the whole???)… there are plenty of great muslims/lebanes people in this country, just like there are plenty of fantastic Anglo/christian australians here…

You are deluding yourself if you think that this is the start of a major ethnic/race conflict in Australia… the majority want a peaceful co-existance… and we are not going to let a minority of cowardly morons (be they white/christians or lebanese/muslims) stuff it up for the rest of us…

Sam

Posted by Guessedworker on December 14, 2005, 08:50 AM | #

Sam,

This question of what the majority wants goes to the heart of the issue doesn’t it?  No liberal can speak of majority wishes, for advanced liberalism spits on the will of the majority.  Typical of liberals, you claim that because most people want a quiet life they are content with the elite’s racial politics.  I’ve heard the same thing from Ken Livingstone speaking of the London Multicult after 7/7 ("The city will survive.  It is the future of our world").  But the common desire for a quiet life is a thing apart.  The majority has never been permitted to express its will on racial politics.

Indeed, in most of the white world there are more and more laws hedging in white people on what they may think and say, and more and more efforts to condition them to the presence of unwanted aliens, to promote pan-mixia, to indoctrinate children educationally.  If people were content and naturally welcomed “diversity” none of this would have been done.

For the white majority to express itself freely now would, in my view, require a certain moratorium - at least a couple of years of neutral politics, media expression and educational input.  But, of course, liberalism won’t back off because:-

i. It is not a political conspiracy but, in the broadest sense, a blind dynamic in which people such as yourself are unthinkingly swept up.

ii. Its elite is driven by a deep disdain for the European peoples they govern.

On the question of representation ...

Of course, the Bra Boys and the young Lebs not representatives per se of their own racio-cultural groups.  They are what they are: expressions of racial conflict.  Their importance, and the reason we are debating them, is that they prick the bubble of liberal complacency.  The Bra Boys’ stand proves that there is life in the old European dog and liberals cannot defeat Nature, as much as they deny it every day that passes.

Your race-war thing, btw, was a strawman - not worthy of you.

Posted by Sam on December 14, 2005, 09:34 AM | #

Ok where to start…

1) i never claimed everyone wants a ‘quiet life’, i said “peaceful co-existance”...... please do not re-write my words in future to suit your argument…

2) who is the eliete and what are their racial politics??? from where i sit, ideology is dead my friend, governments dont give a toss what coulour you are or what language you speak, they care about how expensive you are to employ every hour and how productive you are… from what i see of the world, asians and south americans are winning in this race.. they work for next to nothing and make lots of stuff… must be some pretty good genetic stock round those parts hey???

3) these laws “hedging in white people on what they may think and say” what exactly would these laws be???  who passed them ? where were they passed?? in what country??? i mean i could very well say the sky is made of fairy floss, but i would need to support such an assertion… so untill you can back this up i would say your point is baseless..

4) this ‘blind dynamic’ you speak of is merely an assumption on your behalf, you have no evidence to back it up, merely conjecture.. what is it they say about assumptions? - that they are the mother of all f#@k ups…

5) on the point of representation..... the bra boys had nothing to do with the race riots… the Abberton brothers have been all over the press saying that it was a discraceful act and that the bra boys were not involved and would never become involved (check ninemsn news headlines), they held a news conference with the Comancheros bikie gang (whos membership is largly lebanese) calling for calm.. the bra boys are a localised group.. they have no political ideoligy or agenda.. they are just intrested in keeping tourists off their waves… i dont know where u get your facts but they apear mostly incorrect…

6) my question on race-war was in response to a comment by Svigor on multiculturisim = majority war fare… which he has still not answered........

Sam

Posted by Dan on December 14, 2005, 11:38 AM | #

FANCULO A TUTTI GLI AUTRALIANI RAZZISTI!!!
CHE SIA PROPRIO UNO DI QUELLI CHE AVETE BASTONATO A ROVINARVI LA VITA

Traducete questo

Posted by Din Don on December 14, 2005, 01:00 PM | #

Partecipa alla discussione Dan, se ci riesci, commentando i fatti e proponendo soluzioni.
E possibilmente in inglese, se sei capace.
Altrimenti vai a farti fottere da uno dei tuoi amici e non rompere i coglioni.

Posted by Guessedworker on December 14, 2005, 03:28 PM | #

Yep, a little English please ... I mean, we appreciated the joke first time around.  But this is getting too much.  At least take pity on our curiosity and introduce us to the high poetry of Italian political debate.  “Australian racists”, was that I read?

Posted by GreetingsFromItaly on December 14, 2005, 03:44 PM | #

What war exactly is it that we are fighting???

This is the 3rd World War, Sam.

In 1974, former Algerian President Houari Boumedienne said in a speech at the U.N.: “One day millions of men will leave the southern hemisphere to go to the northern hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”

That’s just what’s happening, *now*, all over the world.

And that’s why all over the world there are so many “incidents” caused by muslims presence.
As soon as they are “enough” to do so, they start to create disorders and small fights.

In Nigeria fights between muslims and animists, in Sudan fights between muslims and catholics, in middle east fights between muslims and hebrew, in ex-URSS, in China, in France… in Australia… always fights with muslims and locals.

Did you ever asked yourself *why* this doesn’t happen with any other religion or ethnic group?

Are you sure that is the whole world that is going in the wrong direction?

I think that are just the muslims that aren’t compatible with the rest of the world.

Posted by Lisistrata on December 14, 2005, 04:14 PM | #

Ragazzi avete tutto il mio sostegno e quello dei miei amici, anche in Italia non ne possiamo più.
Io non sono giovanissima, ma ho lottato per la libertà e questi fanatici islamici ce la stanno togliendo ogni giorno un pezzo.

Avete fatto bene, ma non dovete farvi giustizia da soli, è pericoloso, unitevi e marciate, pretendete dalle autorità che facciano loro giustizia, voi correte troppi rischi.

Gli islamici non vengono condannati i nativi sì, questo accade anche in Italia.

Traslation:
Traduzione:
Boys you have all the my support and that one of my friends, also in Italy not of we can more. I am not young, but I have fought for the freedom and these fanatics us Muslims ce are removing it every day a piece. You have done good, but you do not have it makes justice alone you, it is dangerous, joined to you and marched, you expect from the authorities that they make justice, you you run too many risks. The Muslims do not come condemned the NATO yes, this happen to you also in Italy.

Posted by Guessedworker on December 14, 2005, 05:05 PM | #

Sam,

Thanks for your detailed reply.  I answer as follows, with apologies for the length.

1. What evidence do you have that a majority of people of European heritage want - WANT, Sam, as in “desire as a personal goal” - to peacefully co-exist with aliens.  Would that not militate against white flight from minority districts, which is clearly a physical fact?

It comes down to this: Liberals, in an act of shameful and criminal selfishness, have foisted racial equality on their own people.  The fact that ordinary white people have withstood the onslaught and for the most part suffered in silence DOES NOT IMPLY APPROVAL.  Indeed, they have very clearly never been asked for their approval precisely because the governing class know it would get a bloody nose.

2. “Ideology is dead” you say.  So the findings of psychology and genetics and the will of the people can guide government at last?  But wait, ideology is NOT dead.  On the contrary, it wafts such trifles as science and democracy away in the name of racial egalitarianism and low labour costs (political and economic ideology).  So, is that it for you?  The purpose of life?  Dispossession and deracination for Western Man on the one hand, and on the other economism as the only measure of Everyman’s worth?  Is that what liberalism comes down to in its old age?

3. I am going to ask you to book a public hall and advertise a forthcoming series of speeches you intend to give.  Hand tickets out in the local shopping centre, write to the media.  Then, on the chosen day, stand up before your audience and the press and explain the unity of the human race, the causes of minority disadvantage, the obligation on the rich to care for the poor etc.

The next day do the same explaining the nature of Islam, the mean IQ of Africans, the Jewish Question and the exaggerations of Holocaustism, and the case for a referendum on the repossession of our homelands.

Try this exercise in Canada, and when you get out of prison try Germany, Austria, Sweden, Britain ...

4. Of course, I understand that you have not come across the idea of “liberalism as a blind dynamic” before.  It happens to be my own miniscule contribution to political theory and most MR regulars are pretty familiar with it by now.

The really great philosophical ideologies, Sam, do not battle with each other in a Manichean sense throughout eternity.  Actually, they battle for only a limited period.  Then one emerges triumphant and society is increasingly ordered according to its dictat.  Over time, feeble-minded Man pursues the over-arching ideas of the ruling philosophy so unevenly that an imbalance enters into things and ugliness begins to erupt.

Now, in my England the ancient polity of tribal kingships of the post-Roman period gave way, post-Norman Conquest, to feudalism which in turn gave way, post-1485, to an emerging Conservatism which, post-1832, was itself overtaken by liberalism.  No practical trace of the forerunners survived the change.

This idea of philosophical conquest posits that in the West today, just as there is no feudalism, so there is no genuine Conservatism nor any practical possiility of it (you have to know what that is, of course, before you can appreciate what this statement means - and an excellent helpmeet is Martin Hutchinson’s book, Great Conservatives - click on his name in the sidebar for details).

So in our polity there are only the ideas of liberalism and, spectrum-wise, only right and left liberalism.  But liberalism is highly distinctive and unusual in that, unlike tribalism and feudalism and, also, Conservatism - which founds individual freedom on the engendering of stability - liberalism discards stability to pursue ever more and newer freedoms from ever more and newer repressions.  It is itself inherently unstable and factually IN MOTION.  That is the sense in which I call it a dynamic.  The reason that dynamic is blind is because the freedoms and repressions one must, must, must aspire to/escape from next are never known by ordinary people beforehand.  We Westerners, for example, never knew we were racist from birth until refugees from Germany told us so in the 1940’s!

Advanced liberalism - the present and, I believe, final incarnation of the beast - has been Cultural Marxist since the early 1980’s, a fact never imagined during the classical Marxist period of the 1950’s and 60’s.  Consider, for example, the two main books of John Rawls, where the Great Society influence in the earlier morphs into a cultural model in the later.  You see the line of liberal development?

I am sorry to be so sketchy on this but I hope it helps to explain something of my view of liberalism and advanced liberalism.

5.  I am not an Australian, Sam.  I go on what the press reports say.  However, representation-wise I think that the appearance of these white lads in North Cronulla was an expression of simple racial conflict.  I think it is a mistake to try to extrapolate more than that from them.  They weren’t mandated by anyone.  They don’t claim to speak for anybody but themselves.  Their action was spontaneous, ie it had its cause in racial conflict.

At the very least, they are a sharp reminder to liberals who think ordinary people can turn their back on race and opt into some civic or constitutional identity that that idea is flat wrong.  Nature, which liberals have denied for a century, will always out in the end.  You may disagree fundamentally with the direction of, for example, my race-realist Conservative politics but you cannot win the argument.  You cannot relegate Nature in Man’s soul.

Posted by nico on December 14, 2005, 06:05 PM | #

minkia, ma siete coglioni é proprio vero che gli italiani sono la cacca del mondo, fate skifo a cani, non sapete ne scrivere ne parlare, per fortuna che, ripeto, gli australiani non vi capiscono!!!!!questa é l’unica cosa buona, minkioni tezte di cazzo!!!
scrivete in inglese non c’é bisogno di tradurre, perché tanto non ci sono altri italiani che partecipano in questo forum.
per quanto riguarda il piu coglione di tutti, uno di cui manko ricordo il nome, troppo ignorante, ti ripeto amico:
si vede che sei proprio frustrato, io non ho manko letto il tuo post, manko ti considero, sei un mongoloide, un rotto in culo, watch out mate im fukin ur mother right now sonofascru, stupido imbecille, sei un povero italiano di merda, ignorante, vivi con le pecore come tutti gli italiani, ripeto che l’italia e il paese piu arretrato del mondo insieme al sudan, con la gente piu stupida e ignorante, e fate proprio skifo, non capite ció ke si dice né sapete esprimervi.
a te ti compatisco perké sei un povero bambino minorato, ti spakkerei la faccia ma non andro a roma per questo né per scoparmi a tua madre, che sicuro mela scoperei,perché roma mi fa cagare, é una cittá di merda, con la gente piu ignorante del mondo, un buco di culo e i romani fanno veramente pena, ho avuto la sfortuna di passarci ma grazie a Dio non c ho mai vissuto.
non sapete parlare nessuna lingua al mondo, manko italiano, asini.
io non sono italiano, balordo, ma come vedi aprlo molto meglio di te.
ti posso parlare in dieci lingue, anlfabeta, ho girato tutto il mondo e tui solo la pancia di tua madre, entendés boludazo sos una nadería que camina, una rechazo asqueroso de algún albañal podrido, ni merecés que se te escupa en tu raca de mierda, hijo de turra, la atorranta que te parió, guacho puto, andate al agujero de donde saliste puto, fuck off and dont piss around again
quando gli islamici ti faranno saltare saro a ridere, ora ti lascio, divertiti.
gli australiani hanno le palle ke tu non hai, bacia il culo a tutti,bambino.
questo post e stato interessante, ma mi pare non ha piu nulla da dire.
c ya mates

Posted by nico_again on December 14, 2005, 07:07 PM | #

again a little post for italian mind-troubled ppl......
mi dimenticavo di dirti, bambino scemo, che oltre a non andare in una cittá di merda come roma nemmno per romperti le ossa (cosa ke mi piacerebbe), visto ke la cittá mi fa skifo, non ci andrei neppure perché l’italia é uno dei posti piú sudici e pericolosi della terra.....e se continuate cosí, fra poko lo sará ancora di piú....
tu non devi aver capito nulla di quello che é successo a sydney perché manko saprai leggere italiano, figurati inglese, ma ti spiego che semplicemente gli australiani sono scesi in piazza a cercare battaglia con chiunque avesse un aspetto “sospetto”, perché semplicemente super stufi di continue provocazioni da parte di gruppi di islamici soprattutto....
insomma, gli australiani generalmente sono le persone piu tranquille del mondo (mai avuto il minimo problema quando ho vissuto lí) ma se provocati....reagiscono, dimostrano ke hanno le palle.....
vai un po’a dire coglionate in australia, bambino, e vedi k fine farai....vai, se hai le palle.
invece, questo é quello ke non sanno fare gli italianetti...popolo inutile,anzi,nemmeno un popolo.....esiste forse un popolo italiano??? si odiano gli uni gli altri, fra nord e sud, est e ovest.....succede solo in italia....quelli del nord dicono ke il sud é una merda, ma il nord é peggio pure, jajaja..neppure si capiscono parlando tra loro....solo in italia.....si lamentano sempre,sanno solo andare in piazza con candele accese, piangono piangono e piangono, vengono nei siti australiani a dire porkerie in italiano ke gli australiani non capiranno mai.....jajajajajajajajjaja
l’emblema dell’inutilitá.
perché nessuno al mondo fa le figure di merda ke fanno gli italiani??? qualcuno se lo dovrebbe kiedere.
io vi rispondo in italiano (ke é la lingua piu inutile del mondo, manko in italia mi é servita), perche l’ho imparato visto ke ho vissuto seppur per poco grazie a Dio in italia, ma non aspettatevi ke altri vi capiscano e/o rispondano.
il mondo comunica in altre lingue, non in italiano.
comunque, se qualche mente kiusa non l’avesse capito, vi informo che é per pikkole provocazioni che gli aussies hanno reagito.,,,pikkole per modo di dire, ma non gravissime: aggressione a lifesavers sulla spiaggia, provocazioni da parte di islamici a ragazze aussies......hanno ritenuto opportuno far sentire la loro voce, e hanno fatto bene, sep`pure hanno esagerato un po’-
ma questo succede quando qualcuno non ne puó piú.
io non vivo in italia, ma leggo online i giornali, e so ke in italia succedono cose ben piu gravi: un mese fa piu o meno, quattro violenze carnali in 4 giorni,,,tutte da immigrati, agggressioni e violenze costanti, so da persone ke ci vivono ke in certi quartieri di milano (dove cé la moschea) si ha paura a passarci, furti nelle case con pestaggi e violenze, soprattutto nel nord est ma da poco anke a taormina, insomma........incredibile no???
io leggo, per questo so, pur senza esserci.
Queste cose non son successe in nessun paese europeo cosi tante, figuriamoci in australia....se fossero successe in australia, ci sarebbe stata la guerra ora!!!!!!!!!!!
RAGIONATE AMICI ITALIANI, GLI AUSSIES SCENDONO IN PIAZZA A FARSI SENTIRE PER UN AGGRESSIONE A DUE LIFESAVERS!!!! COSA SAREBBE UN AGGRESSIONE A DUE A DUE LIFESAVERS IN ITALIA????MANCO NEI GIORNALI FINIREBBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IN ITALIA VIOLENTANO LE RAGAZZE, QUELLE KE TROVANO, DAPPETUTTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LO DICONO I GORNALI, NON IO....
SE SUCCEDESSE IN AUSTRALIA O IN UN ALTRO PAESE, SAREBBE IL FINIMONDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
capite o non capite ora???????????????
aprite gli okki prima ke sia troppo tardi.
so ke i giudici italiani liberano i potenziali terroristi.....
purtroppo solo una bomba ( ormai probabilissima) scuoterá a qualcuno.
detto questo, ringraziando Dio ke non tutti i popoli sono come gli italia-inetti, vedi aussies, e ke i lebs non fanno festa dapperutto come in italia ( ho letto un’articolo di un giornale della siria dove ridevano del fatto ke i potenziali terroristi fossero liberati in italia), infatti a sydney non hanno festeggiato tanto, saluto il forum perché ho visto l’orientamento, quacuno intelligent almeno cé,e non scriveró piu posts qui, meno ke mai in italiano.
a mai piu risentirci, take care of yorselves.
lets hope aussie ppl get their mind clear and achieve a bt of rest after these trobled days.
in quanto a te italianetto non sapro mai piu nulla di te e son contento. curati la testa, cresci, purtroppo non posso aprirti il cervello a calci e cambiartelo, se ti avessi davanti lo farei, ma sicuro laggiu nel tuo piccolo paese del cazzo qualcuno lo fara per me.
sei davvero un bambino deficiente, per quanto mi riguarda puoi andare al diavolo, imbecille.non meritavi nemmeno risposta, ma é giusto ke tu sappia ke hai vinto il premio di piú mongoloide del pianeta.
curati e a mai piu risentirci.
chau

Posted by Svigor on December 14, 2005, 08:51 PM | #

Ok Svigor your going to have to help me with this one....

What war exactly is it that we are fighting???

Far be it from me to tell you exactly which wars we’re fighting, but I can outline one of them for you: it’s a war being waged on the various peoples of the west by their own elites.  The elite class wants to dissolve anything that stands in the way of a single consumer mass, a single market, a single audience.  That’s why national borders, markets, languages, peoples, etc., must be eroded as far as possible.

Obviously anyone who would preserve his nation, people, culture, language, etc., stands athwart the road between these elites and their goals.

Note that I’m not anti-capitalist, but rather I believe capitalism should be harnessed for man’s benefit, not the other way around.

Are you saying that these Lebanese represent the entirity of the Lebanese population in Australia???

To an extent, yes I am.  Every ethny is responsible for its bad elements.  I like to quote John Hartung in these situations:

http://members.aol.com/toexist/Shiksa11.html

In-groups sandwich an outline for animosity, an organizing principle for prejudice, between layers of social support. Whether Christian or Muslim or Jewish, every extremist is supported by a small number of less extreme admirers and each of those supporters is buoyed, in turn, by a larger group of sympathizers. These connections are continuous right down to the bottom of the pyramid, where vaguely symapthetic in-group members are offended by the very extremists who would have no base, and no basis, without them.

It is that vague sympathy which needs to be examined.

Isn’t that like saying that Mason family represents the entirity of the American population???

Sure, but since we’re dealing with a sliding scale here, and the Manson family is an absurdly small sample size and America is a polyglot nation, I don’t see your point.  In other words, the Manson family says far less about the American population than these youths say about the “Australian” Lebanese population.

This kind of logic strikes me as exceptionally flawed… As with all races and cultures the people within them are not one big homogeneous group

This truth does not logically lead to this lie:

… People are just people…

Groups differ significantly in their mean (average) behavior.  They differ in mean ranges of behavior, the tail ends of their bell curves differ, etc.

Yes some of these people rioting are muslim.... but their number is miniscule in comparison to the number of muslims in the immediate area

The number of violent criminals in any population is usually (in the west at least) miniscule in comparison with the overall numbers.  That doesn’t mean that the differences between populations are insignificant.  Who here claims to know the tipping point, where a population goes from capable of maintaining a western-style civilization to incapable?  I suggest that tipping point will usually rest well inside your “miniscule” characterization in numerical terms, but I reject that characterization when it comes to social impact.

I guess La Griffe du Lion has come closest to answering that question, as far as I know, with his “smart fraction” theory.

(there for wouldnt the majority of lebanes/muslim peoples actions in response to this rioting be peaceful???

I don’t see sitting around and letting the violent arm of one’s ethny (young males) carry out violence against the majority group as “peaceful.” Using the Hartung quote above, I’d call that aggression instead.

In fact, I regard the simple presence of immigrant alien groups as an act of aggression.  Consider, is alien immigration, especially at anything more than an insignificant level, into a population with ambivalent feelings about alien immigration not an act of aggression?  Given the nature of man tending towards group identification and hostility to aliens, wouldn’t an immigrant who wished to avoid aggression go to great lengths to ensure that the host population had positive feelings toward alien immigration?  Granted, the western establishment present a false picture for would-be immigrant aliens, but at least in America and Europe the poll data is available and clear: there is significant native public animus against alien immigration.

if this is true then how can this tiny minority of lebanese rioters be representative of the whole???)… there are plenty of great muslims/lebanes people in this country, just like there are plenty of fantastic Anglo/christian australians here…

In what proportions do the great ones and the bad ones exist in each?  You seem to be tacitly asserting that they exist in identical proportions, but I don’t think you can support that assertion.  In the absence of evidence I say it’s safe (and wise) to assume they exist in different proportions as (gasp!) they are after all different groups.

Difference is the opposite of equality.

Posted by Svigor on December 14, 2005, 08:55 PM | #

Also, one can extrapolate (however crudely) the norms of the whole group from the behavior of the “bad ones.”

Does calling little girls in swim suits “tarts,” does gang rape against outgroups, characterize Australian youths the way it does Lebanese youths?  I think it’s safe to suggest that the relatively greater misogynistic tendencies (for example) among the Lebanese youth indicates a relatively greater tendency towards misogyny among “Australian” Lebanese in general.

Sure, this is falsifiable - let’s set about falsifying it, shall we?

Posted by Svigor on December 14, 2005, 08:59 PM | #

Me:

First of all, if the Lebanese don’t represent the Lebanese, then who the !$#% does?

Kieran:

They represent themselves.

You didn’t answer my question, you dodged it by answering a question no one asked.

You cannot sample a minority to generalise the majority.

You can most certainly sample a group and generalize its overall character.  Sure, there are caveats, but people do it all the time, and it has tremendous predictive power if done right (see political polls for details).

Posted by Svigor on December 14, 2005, 09:07 PM | #

1) i never claimed everyone wants a ‘quiet life’, i said “peaceful co-existance”...... please do not re-write my words in future to suit your argument…

Way to dodge GW’s devastating point.

2) who is the eliete and what are their racial politics??? from where i sit, ideology is dead my friend, governments dont give a toss what coulour you are or what language you speak, they care about how expensive you are to employ every hour and how productive you are… from what i see of the world, asians and south americans are winning in this race.. they work for next to nothing and make lots of stuff… must be some pretty good genetic stock round those parts hey???

Like most liberals, you’re starting to sound like what I call a “liberal white supremacist.” You seem to think that the groups behavior won’t change as their numbers increase.  It will.  Look at Arabs in Europe.  The first generation was humble and pliant; it knew its place.  The subsequent generations are emboldened by their numbers and native “tolerance,” increasingly aggressive and group-aware, and not interested in serving massa.

Posted by Sam on December 14, 2005, 11:55 PM | #

ok Guessedworker and Svigor, sorry for late reply, sleep and surfing was necessary....

what evidence do i have that people of european heritage desire to live peacefully with aliens....

umm well how about 300 years of colonial expansion.... european people have been exploring and setteling amongst aliens for centuries… if these aliens were so detestible why didnt they just exterminate them when they settled in these new colonial out posts???… if they are stil so undesirabel why dont the majority just exterminate them now??? i mean they are the majority right??? so why dont they just get rid of them???… because they dont want to.. the majority of european people welcome diversity within their culture.... u can claim all you want that people are blind/stupid/held down by the eliete rarara… but at the end of the day most people of european ancestry in the west live in democracies… if we WANTED that badly not to live with so called “aliens” then we wouldnt…

i should point out here that ‘if’ and its a big ‘IF’, european people do not want to live with so called aliens and this desire comes from some inbuilt genetic disposition then why did they go out and conqure most of the known world? have children with these host populations? and begin new lives in these countries turning their backs on europe??? hardly strikes me as the thing to do if you want to preserve your culture and way of life… hmmm???

Guessedworker… im stil waiting for the name of that legislation hemming in white people… the senario you describe applies equally to all people in the countries you mention… white/brown/yellow/purple polka dot.... where is the specific legislation you claimed existed hemming white people in...??? does it exist or are you just making stuff up to suit your political biases???

Svigor… you are saying that the lebanese youth rioting are indeed representative of their communities.... ok interesting point.... and that people of all cultures are responsibe for their bad elements??? ok then why are australian prisons occupied by 40% of inmates who claim to be cathlioc? 13% who claim to be protestant? and a masive number in at around 3.5% who claim to be muslim....???? (stats from the sydney morning herald)… where are the anglo/christian leaders taking responsibility for the MAJORITY of incarcerated prisoners who are of anglo/christian decent???
they are no where… so why should the greater lebanese community be held responsible for a minorities actions when the anglo/christian communities are not???

Guessedworker… my point about ideology being dead was in reference to the voting public… sure economic ideology exists within governments… but how many people out in the street could answer what kind of ideology they believed in?? i would say not many.... your right, people are consumed by capitalisim and material possession… its perhaps the new ideology.. infact i would go so far as to describe the sole remaining ideology amongst western voters as being ‘selfishness’… people dont want an ideal to believe in any more… they want shiny stuff, plasma screen TVs, new couches… rarara… personely like you, i think this is a cop out on humanity… but it seems to be what people desire

oh and Svigor i would point out that putting raw data onto a bell curve and drawing conclusions as to race related behaviour is a inherriantly flawed process… sure looked at in purely numerical values stats will pretty much tell you what ever you want them to… but looked at in context of cultural advantage/ disadvantage, socioeconomic dislocation, access to education/ health care its the surrounding context that gives those stats you speak of any kind of real vale.. unless you are somehow claiming that there are over riding universal truths when it comes to race related statics??? of which i would be very intrested to hear about…

im going to be so bold as to suggest that this conflict that you have tied up with race and religion has more to do with economic status than anything… maybe there is a race related element to it, and yes plenty of young muslim males seem to have chips on there shoulders.. however plenty of young males all over the world have chipps on their shoulders… especially those from poor-impoverised backgroungds....

Posted by Guessedworker on December 15, 2005, 12:40 AM | #

Sorry, Sam, I didn’t realise you needed the formal titles of the hate speech laws in place around the globe.  I am happy to throw a few at you if you doubt their existence.  But I know you don’t.  You are instead trying to disqualify them on the basis that they don’t say “Hate Speech Law for White People”.  That is such a disingenuous posture that I missed it first time round - guess it never occured to me that you would try such a sleight of hand.

Well, there is only one law that meets your specification, and that is the hate law in Sweden.  The legalistic view there is that non-whites are formally incapable of racism, since they are the disadvantaged group.  The law is legislated specifically, therefore, upon the Swedish population.

Elsewhere this assumption of brown-skinned moral perfection is not made in law.  But you already know, of course, that hate speech is not enacted so that aliens can be forced to speak kindly of their hosts.  It is part of the Cultural Marxist pathologisation of the normal defensive instincts of native European ethnies.

In the UK, for example, there has been one prosecution of a Muslim extremist cleric who repeatedly called for violent jihad in the most public and wreckless way.  After 9/11 he gave the Home Office no choice.  On the other hand, the Home Office is chancing its arm hugely to try to imprison Nick Griffin and another officer of the BNP on the weakest imaginable grounds: he warned his own membership in a private meeting of the violent potential of Islam a few months before 7/7.

Liberalism has become corrupted in its present phase.  It isn’t worthy of your loyalty, which should by rights go to your people (are you of European lineage?).

On the subject of corruption, I wholly agree with your assessment of consumerist, gew-gaw modernity.  But again, this is the consequence of a polity centred on the self.  I am not suggesting that some kind of grand Nietzschian glory is necessary in life.  But, clearly, there are other more important things than self.  They are just not attended to within a liberal polity - indeed man, woman and marriage, childhood innocence, loyalty to kin and country are actively trashed by marxian culture war.

Posted by sam on December 15, 2005, 07:00 AM | #

woah.. hang on a sec…
one moment you say that legeslation exists “hemmimg in white people on what they may think and say”.. i ask a perfectly reasonable question.. “whats the name of the legislation?” and suddenly this is sleight of hand???

No way champ.. its a reasonable question within the context of the discussion.. your political BIASES might make it seem like they are in fact directed at white people… but this does not make it so… you cannot claim one thing then cry foul when you dont back your unfounded statements up.
Btw do you know what year the sweedish legislation was passed? was it a federal law? i would like to read the legislation before commenting on it…

i would still like to know your thoughts on my first two paragraphs in my last post… i would be interested to see how you can rebutt the colonial expansion dynamic in relation to keeping cultures and gene pools isolated…

yes i am of european decent… however my people are Australians, they come from all over the world, you cannot pigeon hole them.. Australia is home to over 200 languages.... i have grown up in poor inner city areas and upper class affluent areas...with a mulitude of different religions and languages being present… some of my best friends are chinese, italian… lebanese.. kiwis.. russians.. poles… british… sri lanken.. you get the point

Did you grow up in such an enviroment GW?

i have also travelled and lived extensivly throughout SE Asia and found nothing but warmth and friendship from everyone i was lucky enough to meet… the world is what you make it GW, you probably dont believe me but there are some amazing people and places out there…

and if i could have your thoughts on those two previous paragraphs that would be great…

Sam

Posted by Kubilai on December 15, 2005, 07:29 AM | #

Sam, you’re being quite obtuse or disingenuous.  Go to http://www.amren.com and you will see on a daily basis inequality directed at whites.  That is IF you are so eager to understand and I do question that.

You state:

i have grown up in poor inner city areas and upper class affluent areas...with a mulitude of different religions and languages being present… some of my best friends are chinese, italian… lebanese.. kiwis.. russians.. poles… british… sri lanken.. you get the point

No I do not get the point.  What exactly is your point?  I am very similar to you and either know or directly interact with many people of different backgrounds.  Your point is irrelevent because I still do not want my country or any other western nation to become overrun with genetically and culturally distant peoples.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 15, 2005, 07:47 AM | #

yes i am of european decent… however my people are Australians, they come from all over the world, you cannot pigeon hole them.. Australia is home to over 200 languages.... i have grown up in poor inner city areas and upper class affluent areas...with a mulitude of different religions and languages being present… some of my best friends are chinese, italian… lebanese.. kiwis.. russians.. poles… british… sri lanken.. you get the point (—Sam)

I don’t know about GW but I certainly get the point, Sam—you’re an ever-more-and-more-boring pro-multi-culti fanatic who’s been so brainwashed you’re beyond help at this stage.  I get the point perfectly, as a matter of fact—it’s plain as day from the totality of your comments and becoming clearer with each new one you post.  It’s now become crystal-clear.  You make a pretense of being neutral when in fact you’re as left-wing as Simon and as committed to the multiculti radical left-wing wacko religion.  What are you doing here?  You should check out Catallaxy, Jason Soon’s pro-race-replacement site—you’d feel a lot more at home there, with all the other eunuchoid know-nothings.  MR.com’s not for white male castrati or the cognitively destitute, sorry—men and women here actually have synapses, functioning gonads, normal circulating hormone levels, and a thing called red blood ... ever hear of it?  ( ... yeah, didn’t think so ... ).  When the world just the other week saw your side, the wacko radical left, open new legal proceedings against the Vlaams Belang because Filip Dewinter mentioned the word Islamophobia; when, as GW just reminded you, Nick Griffin goes on trial next month for the “crime” of failing to adquately genuflect when the word “Islam” left his lips last spring at a meeting; when David Blunkett threatened to arrest Jean-Marie Le Pen during his visit to England, for previous “hate-speech”—when this and a thousandfold more is part of a campaign to silence speaking out on excessive incompatible immigration and race-replacement, you’re going to have the nerve to ask for citations of the names of specific laws?  You are a radical left-winger who tries to hide the fact under a guise of open-mindedness and neutrality.  You’re extremely boring.

Posted by Sam on December 15, 2005, 08:08 AM | #

Hi Kabilai, im Sam .. Nice to meet you to…

The point was directed at GW, not at you, so of course you dont get it…

Yes of course white people get racialy abused… people from all walks of life get racially abused… so? racisim is found in most countries around the world… it is generally related to a FEAR of others.... this “othering” is a defence mechanism, people defend them selves when they feel threatened or endangered… again so? racisim is not exclusive to any one culture or group… what is your point? are you saying you are scared or affraid of others who you do not understand? or are you saying that whites are MORE racially villified than other races???.. if so please show me the evidence for your assertion

Perhaps we are diametricly opposed to what we see as a healthy society… personally i have no problem with other races and cultures mixing with whatever race or culture is about at the time… its been happening since man took his first step.. you know nomads, land bridges, migration due to famin, climate change… i hate to break it to you but we are all culturally and racial mixed to some degree SHOCK HORROR!!!! i know...(check out Geffory Blainys “A brief History of the world” hes a right wing historian as far as those things go and makes some excellent points with fantastic research backing it up).. you are a product of evolution and there is no way in hell that you can claim to be geneticly pure or culturally isolated… are all your clothes made in the country you live in? Have you ever eaten pepper? do you like stir fry? have you ever eaten a Kebab with extra hommus? (a personel favourite), can you trace your family tree back to Adam and Eve??? Culture is like smoke.. you cant help but breeth it in… so unless u live in a bubble.. which is unlikely tho not entirely implausable, then you are affected by different cultures every moment of your life…

So unless you can somehow demonstraight that you (yes you yourself) have some kind of unique human genome that is exclusive to you and your people then i am somewhat hesatant to believe that anything about you or your way of life is infact genetically or culturally different from anyone elses.... so unless you can provide some kind of evidence to this effect then it would seem that your cause is already lost…

If you have some thing to say on the first 2 paragraphs of my second last post i would be extremly interested to hear it.. the silence is somewhat deafening in response to the questions i posed…

Have a good day....

Sam

Posted by Sam on December 15, 2005, 08:19 AM | #

hahaha hey fred… man you sound cool....
where do you live?? do you live in Australia?? i would seriously like to meet you.... we can have a BBQ, drink beer, lie in the sun, check out girls in bikinis, watch world wrestling federatin and talk about building monster trucks.... sounds awesome..

Umm as far as i know yes everything functions.. i was asked to do some porn a while ago… but didnt want to embarrass the other guys…

No im not neutral.. never claimed to be.. yes i would lean left in my political persuasions.. but i am seriously interested in how and why you think the way you do.. i have an open mind on whatever anyone has to say… im not here trying to cause trouble.. just having a conversation or two.. but if im boring, why read my posts??? im not holding a gun to your head… Or do you somehow think you can have a real discussion when EVERYONE thinks the way you do??? sounds like excitement plus…

Have a good day fred.. email me if your ever in Oz and i’ll sort that BBQ out....

Sam

Posted by Guessedworker on December 15, 2005, 11:04 AM | #

Sam,

“i am seriously interested in how and why you think the way you do”

We do not belong to the sleeping hordes swept up by a liberalism that has been corrupted by German-Jewish philosophy.  Liberalism has become tyranny and we seek to be free of tyranny.

Posted by Sam on December 15, 2005, 11:17 AM | #

stil havent answered my questions GW..

do you make it a habbit to dodge questions when you cant come up with an answer, because the answer migh scare you???

how can you accuse simon of dodging questions then do it yourself..? your just another hypocrite obviously…

Colonial expansion… ???? im going to sleep now.. gives you 8 hours to come up with something profound… if your capable that is… you to fred… feel free to have a crack....

Posted by Guessedworker on December 15, 2005, 11:20 AM | #

Sam,

Elsewhere on the blog today Al Ross links to this article by Prof Frank Ellis of Leed University.  It begins:-

No successful society shows a spontaneous tendency towards multiculturalism or multiracialism. Successful and enduring societies show a high degree of homogeneity. Those who support multiculturalism either do not know this, or, what is more likely, realize that if they are to transform Western society into strictly regulated, racial-feminist bureaucracies they must first undermine these societies.

This transformation is as radical and revolutionary as the project to establish Communism in the Soviet Union was. Just as every aspect of life had to be brought under political control in order for the commissars to impose their vision of society, the multiculturalists hope to control and dominate every aspect of our lives.  Unlike the hard tyranny of the Soviets, theirs is a softer, gentler tyranny but one with which they hope to bind us as tightly as a prisoner in the gulag. Today’s “political correctness” is the direct descendant of Communist terror and brainwashing.

This is what your Left has become.  Why we “think the way we do” should be obvious enough.  The question is: why do you, as a person of European lineage, think as you do and thereby support this evil?

Posted by Sam on December 15, 2005, 11:45 AM | #

i guess im just a mean horrible person with no common decency… wow and i thought i was kinda ok…

i’d rather hear what you had to say on the questions i posed but regurgetated ramblings obviously are the order of the day....
its a shame you couldnt come up with at least some kind of creative propoganda.. but hey no ones perfect ... right??

Posted by Guessedworker on December 15, 2005, 11:49 AM | #

Sam,

Are you denying that Hate Speech law is part of the cultural offensive against our people?  Do you not know its provenance?  Apparently not.

On the issue of racial mixing, I am sad to see that you have no knowledge of genetic human bio-diversity and sociobiology.  Are you not following the progress of genetic science (there are many articles by JW Holliday in our archive)?  Do you not even know that African brains are, on average, small and light and productive of a low mean IQ ... that the skeletal structure of African women permits of narrow hips because those women are going to give birth to babies with small heads containing small brains ... that African production of testosterone among men and women is substantially higher than, respectively, among European men and women and higher still than among Mongoloids.

Judging the safety of abolishing the European homelands on the basis that genetically distant peoples are “nice” and “warm” in their own (homogenous) countries is simply childish and irresponsible.

Sam, the great difficulty we have debating people of your persuasion is in tying you down to adult thinking on the critical issues.  You all have a fatal capacity to float off on a scented highway of bien pensants.  You skip genetics and science.  You skip the profound finality of abolishing your own people.  What seems to matter to you is exercising your own personal sense of morality, as though universal truth lay there.

We have a word - “awakening” - and a phrase - “recovering liberal” - which at some time have applied to all of us on the race realist right.  At some point we have all woken up to the liberal suppositions and half-truths that we had previously, unthinkingly imbibed.  It can take as long as five years to wake up, once the process begins.  But nobody travels back into the vanity and ignorance of old.

I hope you have the potential for your own awakening.  It does not mean you have to hate anybody - that’s a crock employed by leftists to silence dissent.  It means you put away illusion and begin to acknowledge Great Nature in your heart and in your mind, that is all.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 15, 2005, 02:23 PM | #

I just logged on (a little later than I usually do in the AM) and am hurrying to get out the door to the office—haven’t time to post anything longer, but just want to note I’ve just had time to glance through Sam’s post of 8:08 and 8:19 and it couldn’t be more clear that the guy’s an exact Simon-Cassie-June Gordon-Robert Lindsay clone, an exact duplicate.  He says he’s open-minded but everyone can be sure he’s rigidly committed to race-replacement, as rigidly as Simon on his best day.  There is absolutely no point arguing with a brainwashed or hate-filled robot like this—you’ll only be taken round and round in the circles over and over again till you finally figure out the guy’s brain is completely closed off.  I wasted enough time with Simon the past couple or three days, I’m not about to start doing the same with this guy.  Bye, Sam—and, uh ... I think I’ll pass on that barbie invitation, but thanks very much—hey why don’t you round up Simon, Cassie/Claire, June Gordon, Robert Lindsay, Jason Soon, and some of the Catallaxy eunuchoid regulars?  I’m sure they’d love to come!  See ya!
______
Moratorium-plus-Repatriation!

Posted by Kubilai on December 15, 2005, 02:39 PM | #

oh and Svigor i would point out that putting raw data onto a bell curve and drawing conclusions as to race related behaviour is a inherriantly flawed process… sure looked at in purely numerical values stats will pretty much tell you what ever you want them to… but looked at in context of cultural advantage/ disadvantage, socioeconomic dislocation, access to education/ health care its the surrounding context that gives those stats you speak of any kind of real vale.. unless you are somehow claiming that there are over riding universal truths when it comes to race related statics??? of which i would be very intrested to hear about…

im going to be so bold as to suggest that this conflict that you have tied up with race and religion has more to do with economic status than anything… maybe there is a race related element to it, and yes plenty of young muslim males seem to have chips on there shoulders.. however plenty of young males all over the world have chipps on their shoulders… especially those from poor-impoverised backgroungds....

Sam,

You are partially correct about the “fear” aspect to different races and people.  Yet it is more a self-preservatory, ingrained aspect in our genes from time immemorial.  Marxist drivel and liberal feelgoodisms aside, you cannot change that.  However, even that is not the point, because WE and I would suspect nearly all, would be against having their countries and continents overrun with genetically distant peoples and to have their race replaced (if put in those terms and not the lies of the left).  Despite your arguments of gustatory delights, which has been debunked, there is no need to fill place with others who ARE different.

As to your quote above, which I presume you want answered, I fail to understand what exactly you are trying to achieve with it.  Stats show group averages and in that context, they are quite powerful and reproducible.  We cannot ignore that despite them shedding light on many unpleasant aspects of “others”.  You are simply TRYING to soften the cold, hard reality of what the stats show with this… in context of cultural advantage/ disadvantage, socioeconomic dislocation, access to education/ health care its the surrounding context that gives those stats you speak of any kind of real vale, which may or may not be true.  Who cares?  We do not want race replacement, get it?

All young men have chips on their shoulders to a degree, so what?  All men are not created equal (actually no one is equal) and neither are their reactions and behaviour.  It has NOTHING to do with economics, absolutely nothing.  It has to do with genes and culture.

Posted by Guessedworker on December 15, 2005, 02:55 PM | #

Fred,

Sadly, I agree that these are creatures lost in the maze of liberalism.  Should we debate with them?  The point of no return for me is the appearance of self-hatred.  When I sense that my interlocutor feels negatively towards his own people because he or she can thereby refer the pain of his or her own self-hatred, that’s psychological morbidity.  The individual concerned simply has no prospect of behaving differently.  I give up the effort to persuade as a lost cause.

There is, however, non-morbid liberal persuasion, and even if we cannot persuade our immediate interlocutor to question his or her assumptions, nonetheless there are thousands of others who read our words.  Some of those words might go some small way to helping somebody piece things together and start the search after truth.

Otherwise why would we blog?

Posted by ben tillman on December 15, 2005, 08:21 PM | #

but at the end of the day most people of european ancestry in the west live in democracies…

No, Sam, we don’t.  Switzerland comes closest, and even it falls short.  I must ask, do you have any idea what a democracy is?  Hint:  It has NOTHING to do with voting.  And, by definition, it cannot exist other than in a mono-ethnic population.

Posted by ben tillman on December 15, 2005, 08:34 PM | #

Elsewhere this assumption of brown-skinned moral perfection is not made in law.

Well, I would argue that it exists in Canada as well.  Sections 318-320 of the criminal code deal with prohibitions of “hate speech” and genocide.  But the government of Canada itself pursues a policy of genocide of the white majority, which precludes any application of the anti-genocide law in defense of whites.

Posted by ben tillman on December 15, 2005, 08:48 PM | #

i would still like to know your thoughts on my first two paragraphs in my last post… i would be interested to see how you can rebutt the colonial expansion dynamic in relation to keeping cultures and gene pools isolated…

It’s hard to take such a question seriously. 

The desire to live apart from those different from oneself IS NOT THE ONLY DESIRE PEOPLE HAVE!  People have other desiderata, including a desire to acquire resources.  That is a desire that, for some, may appear to be better served by moving to foreign lands where such resources may be found.

As for gene pools, the desire isn’t keep “gene pools” isolated; it’s to keep ONE’S OWN gene pool isolated.

By the way, the extent to which the “colonial expansion dynamic” is due to Europeans (as opposed to the Jews living among them) is debatable.

Posted by ben tillman on December 15, 2005, 09:08 PM | #

As for gene pools, the desire isn’t keep “gene pools” isolated; it’s to keep ONE’S OWN gene pool isolated.

Actually, it’s not a matter of keeping one’s own gene pool isolated; it’s a matter of maintaining ownership of one’s own gene pool, so that one may change it if one wants, as one wants.

Posted by ben tillman on December 15, 2005, 09:24 PM | #

Perhaps we are diametricly opposed to what we see as a healthy society… personally i have no problem with other races and cultures mixing with whatever race or culture is about at the time…

Sam, I asked Cassie/Claire something along these lines. 

Do you apply the same principle to your body?  Do you support the free and indiscriminate mixture of genetically various bacteria, viruses, protozoa, worms, etc. with your genetically identical human cells?  If not, why not? 

The bacteria and other immigrants may well flourish in such a scenario, but the community—i.e., Sam—will perish.  It is precisely the same with a community of humans as it with a community of human cells.

Posted by Svigor on December 15, 2005, 09:28 PM | #

There is, however, non-morbid liberal persuasion, and even if we cannot persuade our immediate interlocutor to question his or her assumptions, nonetheless there are thousands of others who read our words.  Some of those words might go some small way to helping somebody piece things together and start the search after truth.

This is a critically important point.  For every poster, a blog or board has a great many lurkers.  Remember that these readers, and not your opponent, are who you’re persuading and you’ll be on a more even keel responding and you’ll have your rational motivation for doing so.

There’s roughly zero chance of persuading the Simons of the world, but many can be persuaded by seeing him take a thorough beating (rhetorically speaking of course).

Also keep in mind that ideas can be like mental time-bombs; they may take years to go off but when they do, they can quickly enact cognitive dissonance and ideological change.

Posted by ben tillman on December 15, 2005, 09:44 PM | #

Sam, what does an immune system do? 

It discriminates.

It discriminates between “self” and “non-self”. 

The government, through anti-discrimination regulations and enforcement, prohibits the community’s use of its immune system.  At the same time, the government continually injects “non-self” into the community.  The certain consequence of this program is the death of the community.

Genocide.

Posted by Sam on December 16, 2005, 05:57 AM | #

Afternoon all....

in reply, in no particular order..... if i miss any questions please point them out… i have no problem attempting to answer questions.. unlike like some....

Ben… bacteria… viruses are a fact of life.. infact without them you and everyone would be dead.... your immune system wouldnt cope if random bacteria did not enter it on a daily basis.. its that bacteria that helps you produce antibiodies that stop you dying..... bacteria makes you stronger not weaker..... yes i let random bacteria enter my body… buggers are so small i cant see them when they creep up on me… Can u see them.. is your eye sight that good??? Not to mention that you are ASSUMING that different people within societies somehow equal bacteria/ viruses...... such an assumpion is unfounded to say the least…

Yes i have problems with many aspects of modern day democracy… however democracies are not lame duck institutions… politicains will kiss there own arses if they think it will get them re-elected… if your viewpoint was the majority view point do you doubt for one moment that politicians would not bend over backward to accomodate your beliefs???? they would, in a heart beat.. i think your problem here is that your view point is not in the majority and that somehow everyone else is stupid…

oh and ben last time i read some history it was the rulling (white) classes of europe who pushed for colonial expansion.... your point about jewish involvement in this process is a red herring… so the question remains.. if the preservation of gene pools and the desire to “control” ones gene code is so important to white europeans.. why have millions upon millions of “white” people fled and inter related with races from all over the world....?

ben your point about communities immune system is poorly made… do you claim to speak for every man woman and child in your community??? YOUR immune system may well be self regulating however the thousand/s of people in your community do not belong to one organic organism.... there for no such community immune system can possibly exist.. no matter how much you may want it to…

GW.... yes i deny that hate laws are targeted at whites… where i come from the law applies to everyone… (yes yes we could debate endlessly the criminal justice system here.. yes i acknowledge that some out comes in law differ dramatically.. that does not mean that the intention or application of these hate speach laws are directed at whites.. it simply means that no system is perfect or even near perfect).... nothing you have provided as evidece supports your assertion…

On biology.... your claim that african brains are smaller and lighter on average than europeans may well be true… this is not only genetically related… in could be equally true that their diets and climate contribute to this senario… as for Mean IQ’s of afriacns being lower this is hardly suprising… in areas of war, lack of education, poor health care, poor diets it is hardly suprising to find such a result.. i would argue that you would find lower IQ’s in any area with these endemic problems.. be they white/ european.. asian… of african ... i would be interested to see how people of african decent in europe and america score on these tests.. do you know of any studies to this effect???

ps i would argue that Darwin in no way ment his theory of evolution to support “survival of the fittest”....
take this example.......
there is a sudden drop in mean temperatures across the globe.... a sudden ice age ensue..... who survives?????
FAT people thats who..  their fat cells protect them from this sudden climate shift.. now i would not describe these people as ‘fit’… they merely had a trait that protected them from this change....
would you claim that all these fat people are the prime example of the human race and therefor the an example of the fittest surviving???

Kubilai.... no you are wrong… context is everything when examing stastics… raw data is usless unless interpereted and analised…

Fred… i do not hate anyone.... believe what you think best…

Posted by Andrew on December 16, 2005, 06:30 AM | #

Simon, I do not know what barrow you are pushing, but Immigration previous to the last 30 odd years was based on European assimilation, yes name calling was on the front, but in Australia in general it is a term of endearment. We are now faced with the Criminal element of Existentialism and its worshipers, The Wet Left: and Cultural Marxism, PC-Or put in language, Antithesis psychopathic looters and Moochers. Socialism is a term to convey some psychotic amnesia of what it is to live and survive, this term is in fact a sophisticated attempt to rearrange the Human Psyche. BRAIN WASH. To Prepare you to loose everything you have is the way of the newly psyched armed Looters, just a newer way- instead of Armed Invasion and looting, Same thing just you let it happen and do not fight back. White fellow’s Fight back and we fight back hard; it is in our genes being Anglo’s. So if you think you are taking what is mine and what our ancestors left us, you best jump on a plain and move somewhere more fitting for your attitude.

Posted by ben tillman on December 16, 2005, 12:08 PM | #

ben your point about communities immune system is poorly made…

No, it is not.  You simply lack the capacity to follow arguments.

Posted by Sam on December 16, 2005, 12:19 PM | #

ben,
if that is true then tell me where i have gone wrong in my analysis… or can you only write one line objections when you can’t mount an effective argument?

Posted by GreetingsFromItaly on December 16, 2005, 12:28 PM | #

Sam,

i have no problem attempting to answer questions..

Well, you missed to answer my very simple questions a couple of days ago.

Do you think you could find the time for answer them now?
Thanx

Posted by Guessedworker on December 16, 2005, 12:35 PM | #

Sam.

You have a lot of work to do to catch up on the IQ debate.  Environmentalism - the Blank Slate - is dead in the water among cognitive psychologists.  Only the most politically-aware keep the faith.  The position among the fair-minded is neither that IQ is 100% inherited nor 100% environmental.  The difference between mean racial IQ’s is maybe 80% inherited.

On cranial capacity size the left’s Blank Slate view, which is central to the equality agenda, was posited on Franz Boas’ 1910 study of 17,000 negro skulls in America.  He claimed 100% environmentalism on the basis that African populations acquired bigger skulls by moving to America!  Notwithstanding some doubts about the fact that measurements for only 13000 skulls were found in Boas’ evidence, his study remained pretty much holy writ until 2002. But then it was revisited by two American academics who found in it zero evidence for skull growth.  Boas made it all up to suit his anti-gentile agenda.

Generally, you seem to have much to learn.  Try to maintain an open mind and resist Pee-Cee.