Salter: Accept that the State is no longer ours and rebuild radically of our people
Text transcribed from Red Ice interview with Frank Salter, September 19, 2014
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Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:59 | # A few days ago I had a conversation with some nationalists at Western Spring, the site which acts as a focal point for a strategy of white community-building in England. I felt obligated to respond to a plea by a blogger named Shaun de Moray for activism and the rejection of “metaphysical bullshit” ... an attitude that said, “we don’t need to waste time with thinking, we just need to do stuff.” http://www.westernspring.co.uk/four-practical-stratergies-for-whites/ I tried repeatedly to explain the question at hand. Every time the reply came back: “If you’re so smart why won’t you give us some practical answers, then?” In other words, there is a fatal disconnection between an analytical and a physical approach, with advocates of the latter not only seeing no real purpose in the former but actually fingering it as a negative influence, perhaps even a betrayal. I am put in mind of a passage in (I think) one of Dostoevsky’s novels I read many years ago, in which a character observes of the Russian peasant that “he is not just without any knowledge himself, he doesn’t believe in the possibility of its existence.” I see it again in this passage from Salter’s interview. “We need to starve these governments of resources and building-up alternate national organizations that are well embedded in the people,” Salter observes. Hold on a minute. Today the people have other ideas. Waiting while they suffer enough to start thinking straight isn’t activism. It’s passivism. Real activism is something prior to this, and it involves a revolutionary war of ideas and of discourse. Only later does the focus shift to physical activism. Why is this self-evident fact so elusive for some people? Are we really a race of Dostoevsky’s peasants? 4
Posted by DanielS on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 23:56 | # Wow! My typo and what a difference it makes to understanding what Salter said. Bold is the typo: We need to starve these governments of resources and building-up alternate national organizations that are well embedded in the people.
“We need to starve these governments of resources.. and (instead we need to) build-up alternative national organizations that are well embedded in the people.” Sorry, GW. My mistake. 5
Posted by DanielS on Wed, 24 Sep 2014 01:21 | # Shaun, you’ve fleshed out an interesting bit here, that “multiculturalism” has been promoted as a new ethic to relate to a pluralistic state: “If I stood in-front of a group of people and started saying the ”post-modern conception of self has broke the individual from tradition and created a new form of ethics that relates to the pluralistic state, so we must create a language of eternal custom that offer the mass man a tradionalist, post-modern choice away from the decadence of today’s culture” people wouldn’t understand me.” And there is bit of intellectualism at work there to carry further: as creatures of the post modern predicament we need ways to negotiate our own cultures, traditions and advances (proper changes) in relation to non-natives of European nations, not so that we can accept them as a part of our own nation and state, but so that we can separate from them by not repeating the modernist mistake of treating them as if they are quite the same as us down underneath the burka, the yarmulke, the daishiki, the turban, the dot, the incessantly clicking camera..
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Posted by DanielS on Wed, 24 Sep 2014 02:34 | # Moreover, a post modern self (properly understood) would propose that one might well reconnect with tradition and time immemorial forms without the pangs of self loathing for the appearance of conformity; while having the capacity to treat outsiders as outsiders. That is unlike the detached, modernist self, which is compelled to assert its difference from tradition lest its “competence” be looked-upon as highly suspect and rather reflecting a reliance upon outmoded customs - incited rather as demonstrating incapacity for innovative adaptation, it must bravely, objectively risk even its most precious resources to other peoples as if they are quite the same in essence - for that is the price of foundational, objective truth that is still promised by the “intellectual” powers that be, who take advantage of this loophole - of modernity - in European thinking that existed prior to the post modern turn. That is not to say that there are not firm criteria of what is English and what is not, but the fact is that the YKW can take advantage of the fact that English people can deviate from that objective criteria unless called to account culturally, by people with established rules - the absence and the non-understanding of which will be taken advantage of by the YKW and others. Clarification thus renders a significant task for intellectualism. 7
Posted by XPWA on Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:02 | #
Perhaps state-of-the-art in 2014 for Salter and you. State of the ‘art’ circa 2007 and earlier for other people.
Different people face this harsh truth at different times. I faced it well over a decade ago. Quite a few years ago I and others spent a great deal time and effort articulating - here on MR - what is now presented as ‘state of the art’. The bold texted observation is precisely the reason we rejected all ideas and efforts aimed at galvanizing some mythical latent majority into doing something that is ultimately aimed at “Take Back” memes. For example, “take back” the House of Commons or the US Congress.
Sure. And back then we analyzed at great length the resource and cash flows that sustain “these governments”, a/k/a “ZOG”. However, “these governments” are socio-political-economic constructs that are more extensive than mere formal bureaucratic government structures. And indeed their main power centers lie completely outside formal governmental structures. This is the primary reason for their durable continuity despite periodic shifts in nominal political power. The entire proposition of the micro-community, “Pioneer Little Europe” or whatever one wishes to label it was derived from the dual proposition of simultaneously starving “ZOG” of its resource flows and feeding The People. These resource flows are almost entirely composed of financial extractions of all kinds from trade flows. The basic problem with the non-Movement in facing “ZOG” or “Liberalism” is its habitual and now instinctive surrender of Today in favor of Yesterday and Tomorrow.
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Posted by DanielS on Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:18 | # Ok, so “state of the art” may have been the wrong word, but the leading edge of what can float by means of an esteemed and mainstream academic ..it is pretty radical considering his position and profile. 9
Posted by XPWA on Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:39 | #
And? Mainstream Academia itself turned toxic during the 20th Century. It is now a primary vector of white racial-ethnic destruction. That two academics (Salter & MacDonald) out of 2,000 or 20,000 may plainly state this obvious fact will never be dangerous to the ruling regime. Fortunately Bricks N Mortar Academia itself is both obsolete and irrelevant to Salter’s call for a ” build-up (of) alternate national organizations that are well embedded in the people”. Developing ‘alternate’ modes of debt-free and preexisting institution free education is one practical example of the ‘national organization building’ activity Salter now calls for. Happily this has never been easier to do than it is today. 10
Posted by DanielS on Thu, 25 Sep 2014 03:27 | # 9 the leading edge of what can float by means of an esteemed and mainstream academic “And?” Discussion (not merely contentious, which has been the usual MR fare), description, analysis, critique, coordination… Euro-DNA Nation.. Sortocracy and other means of coordination and organization.
No need to be dismissive of Salter. He is very good. He is authoritative and speaks with strong warrant of those concerned for European E.G.I. And MacDonald is authoritative on the J.Q., acquits himself very well despite dealing with a socially stigmatic issue. “Fortunately Bricks N Mortar Academia itself is both obsolete and irrelevant to Salter’s call for a ” build-up (of) alternate national organizations that are well embedded in the people”. That is why we might pursue the Euro-DNA Nation (for example) among other means of organization. “Developing ‘alternate’ modes of debt-free and preexisting institution free education is one practical example of the ‘national organization building’ activity Salter now calls for.” Sure, and several forms are being considered here, will be pursued further. We’re doing our best, welcoming those who fit our parameters, not obstructing those who want to go to other forums to pursue different parameters. “Happily this has never been easier to do than it is today.” Indeed. 11
Posted by Leon Haller on Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:48 | # The only answers are education in racial realities, and then, first, self/familial/communal segregation, followed by eventual secession and sovereignty. There is no other possibility. I call this “White Zion” (WN ingathering with an ultimate goal of sovereign electoral conquest). 12
Posted by katana on Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:16 | # The Red Ice interview with Frank Salter is worth a listen to. I like the guy as he comes across as a very thoughtful, honest and sincere person. That said, he also comes across as someone who hasn’t quite figured it all out and is groping around in the dark. His halting manner of speaking on the topic reflects that. By that I mean his whole analysis lacks a cause or agency, it lacks a center, a core motive power pushing for what is going on in the mass import of the third world into our countries. Sure he mentions Boas, the takeover of our universities, our media and our government by brainwashed adherents of an ideology that is out to destroy us. He does all that yet fails to mention or hint at the elephant in the room, aka, the jews. Why doesn’t he? I suspect because he is genuinely in the thrall of the “Holocaust” story. He’s a believer in the jew yarns and therefore dare not take his analysis to its obvious direction and conclusion, aka, that jewish supremacists are behind the wholesale subversion and destruction of our societies. There’s also the practical consideration of a need to earn a living as a consultant. But I don’t think this is his primary motivation, as he sounds like a decent person interested in the truth. My latest blog post, The Case for Germany – Part 6, is here: KATANA [http://katana17.wordpress.com] 13
Posted by GenoType on Sat, 27 Sep 2014 02:20 | #
Funny, isn’t it? Every few months I make a grand tour of the “red-pilling Dissident Right/Alt-Right/Dark Enlightenment” and am amused by what I read: 1. Autonomous communities. Robotics. Water power. Suburban “farming.” Alt-currencies. From writers and commentators; there’s a handful over Taki’s, of all places! To give the Bowery Boy his due, I’ve seen his concept of “virulence” discussed. No attribution, of course, but a genuine white patriot does not give a damn about that kind of thing. I think it’s wonderful. Better late than never.
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Posted by DanielS on Mon, 29 Sep 2014 13:29 | # It’s time to get past this modernist pathology of something being considered unimportant or insignificant if it is not perfectly new. That is the strange loop of modernity: “This is not new - work to change - celebrate change - this no longer new - set about to change..”..on and on it goes. As far as I know, Salter clarified and extended notions of E.G.I. that E.O. Wilson had put forth. I remember Wilson talking about the introduction of one sub-Saharan African into European culture being equivalent to x amount (more than one) death of a European child. Salter calculated that it is actually much worse, in fact exponentially worse in terms of E.G.I. Particularly as it is operationally verifiable, this provides powerful warrant to defend prejudices and racial discrimination. It could correspond to a powerful warrant for White men to asset in their defense - that miscegenating White women can have equivalence to rapists and pedophiles in terms of destruction of E.G.I. and destruction of social capital. 15
Posted by Leon Haller on Wed, 01 Oct 2014 07:43 | # L.H. will be taking his views elsewhere. For those interested, he may be contacted at: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) 16
Posted by EthnocentricPathology on Wed, 08 Oct 2014 04:31 | # More reversal of terms by the YKW Psychopathology and Racial Self-Hate among Whites October 6, 2014 — Kevin MacDonald http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/10/psychopathology-and-racial-self-hate-among-whites/
....read full story at Occidental Observer http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/10/psychopathology-and-racial-self-hate-among-whites/
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Posted by FrankenFolk on Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:26 | # Frank Salter on Race and Nation in Australia
Read more at Occidental Observer: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/10/frank-salter-on-race-and-nation-in-australia/ 18
Posted by wobble on Thu, 30 Oct 2014 23:37 | # @XPWA I think there’s a difference - mainly of physical scale - between countries like the US, Canada and Australia on the one hand and Europe on the other which makes total media control more difficult and collective action easier so although I agree the PWE option may have always been the best option in some places - like the US - but I don’t think it’s necessarily true everywhere.
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Posted by DanielS on Mon, 22 Sep 2014 05:13 | #
It seems that I’m getting some negative feedback for not “naming the Jew” in this post, which strikes me as absurd. MR’s platform has built into it as a fundamental pillar that Jews are Other - they are not a part of our advocacy group.
All I was intending with this post was to present state-of-the-art concerns that Frank Salter had brought forth. It is verbatim and was not my intent to editorialize. Here is the comment section and I am not trying to stop anyone from talking about Jews.
In fact, not only is it a part of MR’s platform that Jews are other, the number 7 is kept ready-to-its-hand as representing the key choke-points of the most key antagonists to the interests of European peoples. Thus, who and where our hermenetuic survey and vigil must check and attend most often. That number representing key niches largely controlled by Jewish interests:
1. Academia/“intellectualism”/professional disciplines
2. Banking/finance
3. Law/courts
4. Politics/military industrial
5. Media/news and entertainment/cultural presentations
6. Religion
7. Business/corporations/military industrial
That someone like Blair has had his strings pulled is a given, taken for granted. Of course that doesn’t mean traitors should not be held accountable; and that that is not a valid concern. It is more than valid. We must attend to our own, not just Jews.
However, of our people, WWS recently drew an interesting distinction that I’d never considered.
That between the struggle and genetics.
Roughly, the White working-class are the ones who struggle most and as such, represent the greatest threat to the elite traitors and Jewish interests (thus, are a special target of Jewish antagonism), whereas those who rely on genetics alone are prone to become “effete snobs”, significant traitors thereby.