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Supply and demand: The economics of mass immigrationIt was claimed that the devastation of the Third World by bankers creates plenty of would-be economic immigrants. The retort was that this is a Judeo-Marxist canard used to induce ‘white guilt’ and justify various ‘aid’ and ‘refugee’ programs. The retort added that parts of Africa in 1812 had yet to see the wheel, the implication being that Third world nations have been built or economically enhanced by the West. The retort also blames slaughters and devastation in the Third World on their natives alone. Let’s see. Civilization shouldn’t be confused with economic security. An isolated hunter-gatherer tribe living in a jungle typically has sufficient food to eat, clothing and living structures; they are willing and able to provide for themselves. Whereas in a modern civilization such as the U.S., tens of millions are unable to provide food for themselves, in spite of being willing and able to work, and must depend on government handouts such as food stamps, and there are millions of homeless people. The reason for the economic problems of Western nations is that malicious bankers issue and control money, which is also the case for nearly all Third World nations. So how does the Third world fare under banker control? For a while now, this is how the international bankers have dealt with the Third World [some things apply to some Western nations also]:
Naturally, Third World nations will experience significant emigration pressures. Residents of some European nations will better understand what the Third World experiences when austerirty measures in their nations become more severe to pay the interests on loans they need from banks. As of now, people are rioting over gas prices in Nigeria, but before one brings in the violence proneness of blacks, take a guess at what’s caused the rise and toward which purpose. One has to wonder how many other instances of rioting in Third World nations have their root cause in what the international bankers do, not in violence that would occur no matter what. These international bankers are behind numerous wars in the Western hemisphere, and they surely haven’t left the Third world in peace. Notice that some black African nations are resource-rich but the masses live in poverty. Is this due to the corruption of their elite? They have corrupt elite, but if this were the reason, there would be lots of black billionaires [U.S. dollars] in some African nations, whereas the natural resource-related wealth is siphoned out by the international bankers, in the manner detailed above, and scraps, in comparison, are given to the corrupt elite. People complain about me focusing on money and the community disproportionately controlling it when there are serious immigration issues to be discussed, but what’s causing the immigration issues? It takes more than merely opening Western borders to immigrants; Third Worlders need an incentive to emigrate en masse, too. Will the masses be willing to go to a land far, far away where people speak a different language and have a very different culture if the masses have a reasonable income/sustenance where they live, and live in a relatively peaceful society? Will the masses be willing to give up the security of their existence for discordance, learning and re-learning skills in a foreign nation and the uncertainty of having a similar level of economic security there? These are important questions to reflect on. A desire to emigrate will be true of some individuals, but not the masses if there’s basic economic security [food, shelter, clothing, base medical facilities] and no warfare or civil strife. But economic devastation provides a strong incentive for mass emigration pressure in the Third World. And thus we have the demand and supply of contemporary mass immigration into Western nations:
So is it wise to complain about immigration levels and focus on blacks, Hispanics, Muslims----like Amren, Vdare, the masses of the “alternative right” or “Third position” crowds----or is it wise to aim for the root cause, which lies in malicious bankers controlling the money supply? And is it wise to just focus on the money issue or also expose some of the other major crimes of these people, such as 9/11? They bring in all these immigrants to undermine ethnic cohesion in the West. Complaining about immigration doesn’t help and exacerbates division. But the money issue and 9/11 are of universal significance and unite the divided against the bankers. And some people complain of conspiracy and detraction from the important issues, such as immigration and multiculturalism, when 9/11 is brought up! Posted by J Richards on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 at 12:35 AM in Demographics, Economics & Finance, Globalisation, Immigration, That Question Again, White Nationalism Comments:2
Posted by Leon Haller on January 17, 2012, 03:37 AM | # The real problem with one-note Charlie articles like what Richards peddles is that it degrades the intellectual value of MR. I said something like the following to GW a long time ago. It is a fine line between censorship and maintaining intellectual ‘flow’, but that border must be guarded by someone responsible. Supposing I had admin privileges, and nearly every article I posted made the same basic and highly controversial argument re White Zion. Even if my argument were correct, instead of merely plausible from one vantage, people would get bored of the same stuff, and, worse, it would give potential newcomers the wrong idea about MR (namely, that it is a WZ site, as opposed to a broad based nationalism vehicle). Historical, social and political trajectories are all rarely monocausally determined. Trying to locate the origins of an array of differing threats and problems even in a single nation, let alone across the planet, in a single unvarying cause or scapegoat (the bankers did it! the Jews did it!) is ridiculous; indeed, the hallmark of an unbalanced mind, one which exhibits an unbelievably narcissistic confidence in its own outlook. After all, to maintain bankers as the cause of even our racial problems, let alone most of the political problems throughout the world, is to set oneself against most of the academic profession, as well as most ordinary people. It is, in this instance, to discount all the historical and sociological particulars which have led to the Third World immigration disaster. I have been involved with that issue for several decades, and I can assure you, why immigration is caused and why it continues are very complex matters (why it is harmful to white EGI and countries more generally is comparatively simple to understand). I think it no psychological accident that someone like Richards finds the Jews to be the major problem for whites; thinks bankers determine the whole contours of the economy; believes in 9-11 trutherism; and ascribes base motives (as opposed to genuine befuddlement, whether merited or not) to those who disagree with him. He is a paradigmatic representative of a certain type one finds on the ideological margins of things - a type that virtually defines the border between hard-hitting a nutty. A type that is very dangerous to have around organizations radically deviating from the hegemonic Zeitgeist - at least if they want to attain real influence. 3
Posted by Bill on January 17, 2012, 03:57 AM | # Before you scream O/T let me explain. About 5 years ago I submitted overtime, my concerns that next to nothing was being done by (successive governments) to increase the housing stock needed for continuous mass numbers of immigrants. I was on a steep learning curve at this time and had learned about Marxist ideology of no private property. I gradually distilled my thoughts and wondered why our governments were not showing any concern over the impending crisis down the line of homelessness. Was is it crass lack of foresight or was it something else. I opined that it was the latter and went on to explain that government was not overly concerned because they would simply take the homes of whites for themselves and install immigrants in there place. This would apply initially where property was under utilised, IOW’s one old lady (as I put it) living in a 3 bed roomed house alone, with husband long gone and the lady living out her days in the home she had been living in all of her married life. Time has moved on and as is inevitable the housing availability situation has become a major issue, so much so I note in this morning’s Telegraph the headlines…
Well waddya know? This is only the beginning, this is forced integration on the bottom rung of the ladder, it is the beginning of forced appropriation of private property. I’v'e always posted here on the basis that anyone peering in here looking to find out what’s going on is welcome to read my views. After all, that is how I got to know what I know. Trouble is, this being an English owned site there are precious few of us here. 4
Posted by Sumner on January 17, 2012, 04:12 AM | # This has also been happening to Latvia recently. And as a result many Latvians have been emigrating. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/20/latvia-debt-economy-europe-austerity
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Posted by Sumner on January 17, 2012, 04:38 AM | # This was basically what they tried to do to Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union, and they succeeded to a certain degree, though Putin did push back somewhat. The bankers, academics, and oligarchs who swarmed Russia wanted to grab Russia’s resources, extract and dismantle its industry, and have Russia’s technical and skilled labor emigrate to the West. http://michael-hudson.com/2011/09/russian-ripoff/
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Posted by Sumner on January 17, 2012, 05:08 AM | # It’s somewhat similar to the enclosure movement that happened in Britain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure_movement During the enclosure movement, the newly landless class migrated to become the working class in industry or migrated to the New World. 7
Posted by Bill on January 17, 2012, 06:44 AM | # Further to my 3 above. State to help elderly downsize as Government tackles housing crisis This is where it all leading (initially) what happens further down the line is simply somehere I don’t want to go. Cameron’s Big Society that nobody seems to understand is is pure Communitarianism. Alongside communitatrianism is something called Common Purpose, which is also something little understood and even less known about. Common Purpose is (from what I have gathered so far) is a government funded association of people who are specially chosen and trained in their areas of expertise such as civil administration, military, police etc. Its purpose (I glean) is to lie dormant until such time events require their expertise. IOW’s WTSHTF. Communitarianism. http://nikiraapana.blogspot.com/2011/11/on-furthering-capitalist-versus.html Common Purpose Explained http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjl2ej_brian-gerrish-common-purpose-exposed-full-interview_news 8
Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 17, 2012, 07:05 AM | #
Yes. Richards a single minded chap. I pray that his horizons will be broadened by the realization that Jews are the major problem for humans of all races. 9
Posted by santos on January 17, 2012, 11:42 AM | # The mass migration of the thirld world has got absolulety nothing to do with ” economics” in the pure sense. The mass migration is organized, funded and carried out by the leading or leadership class—- of which the ” Bankers class is of course an important element”. We can not credit any points to alogenous migration. All the masses that have moved into the European landscape swamping the original inhabitants have zero contribution to the ” economy”. Somebody does benefit, yes, but not the nation not the people. Migration of thirld world masses invariably brings in its wake crime, corruption, unemployment, social crisis, enhancement of the vicious habits—like drug culture—in society, prostitution ( there are are so many whores and whoring watering holes all in their majority thirld world run and managed) . Out of this social and national mayhem the nations self destruct, the nations allowing themselves to be swamped. Why it is being done ? The destruction of the white compact- white race is a desirable goal by all concerned—90% of the planet is non white. The plan is succeeding majestically thanks to the masochist deracinated white elites. The head of the white elites is corrupt and rotten, it must be decapitated. Find out the motor and engine of the mass migration invasion of white living space, disconnect and neutralize the engine and motor. We can obtain PHD’s and other high sounding academic titles writing tomes and tomes as to the ” cause” of mass invasion. While we ” study” these theses and argue about it as to its merit or demerit, the invasion keeps on rolling reaching intolerable levels. Like everything in life sooner or later it will peter out, but the damage would be done., nations that were W1 would sink to the level of W3 or below. The minority element in these to be destroyed nations would surely benefit. Economics, labor, and other jizz fizz concepts only serve to camouflage the driving goal. 10
Posted by Dan Dare on January 17, 2012, 11:57 AM | # In the meantime, here is an alternative thesis for your consideration. Part I - Hitler’s Revenge Part II - The Accidental Immigrants 11
Posted by Dirty Bull on January 17, 2012, 12:32 PM | # Sumner, 12
Posted by CS on January 17, 2012, 05:34 PM | # Richards may have a point here and he is right there is a possibility or certainty that any attempt to create a “White Zion” would be destroyed by these people even if they had to nuke one of their own cities and blame it on White Zion to get it done. I’m hoping this is an unjustified fear but I’m aware it is a possibility. 13
Posted by Ex-Pro White Activist on January 17, 2012, 10:06 PM | #
How about oil industry control? Or Rio Tinto control? Your thesis is that “bankers” are doing things (what?) in Africa, South Asia and South America that provokes a huge emigration of the non-white natives to Europe, Russia and the USA/Canada. And you further claim that if these ‘banker’ activities can be changed or stopped it will stem this flow at the source. Slight divergent. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Zimbabwe recently adopt your ideal currency regime? i.e. The Mugabe government began to print pure fiat money without regard to either commodity or debt backing. What were the results there? Did it even reduce the flow of would-be immigrants to South Africa, of all places? This claim simply doesn’t hold up. We would have to include under these activities improved sanitation, elimination of smallpox and other measures of epidemiological control of formerly lethal pestilence, childhood vaccination programs, improved farming techniques, transmission of technology… These are the causes of the vast population explosion. Nigeria now has an estimated 167 million negroids. This is a many fold increase in the last two centuries. What are you proposing? That the UN declare all of these places protected nature preserves to be reverted to their condition as of whatever was the last year before the Private Central Banker sailed/steamed/rode/flew in? Others have pointed out this huge flow of migrants is being organized and facilitated by agencies working inside the destination white countries. Mexicans have long had a propensity to migrate to the USA for economic reasons. What is different now is the government is tacitly encouraging this by refusing to seriously control the border or enforce the immigration laws. This is a sufficient explanation.
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Posted by J Richards on January 17, 2012, 11:52 PM | # Ex-Pro White Activist @13
Read this: http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.0878 Major non-financial corporations are controlled by financial corporations (banks, hedge funds, investment firms,...), and thus controlled by bankers.
The government had nothing to do with the hyperinflation as the central bank of Zimbabwe is an independent entity controlled by international bankers (as usual, masquerading as a government agency; the appointment of its Board by the President being just for show): http://www.majorityrights.com/uploads/RESERVE-BANK-OF-ZIMBABWE-ACT.pdf
Okay, Western meddling has allowed for population expansion, but this isn’t an economic benefit.
The solution is clear, bringing it about is a different matter. The solution is to prevent private bankers from creating money and controlling the supply of money. This will take care of the much of the problem. In the case of countries where people are hellbent on having lots of children (few nations), Western aid can be tied to vasectomies and tubal ligations for those with at least two biological children.
And who’s controlling these agencies?
The American government isn’t a sovereign government. It’s controlled by bankers [reality check: $15 trillion of national debt]. Illegal immigration from down south could be drastically diminished in a simple manner that doesn’t even require arresting and deporting illegals: hefty fines for citizens who hire illegals. There are numerous options to target the criminals and drug smugglers who won’t be dissuaded by a crackdown on citizens who hire illegals: placing the military on the border, a border wall, surveillance equipment, etc. And of course, if the bankers weren’t causing so much carnage then the economic incentive to migrate would sharply diminish. You need a sovereign government to implement the simple and obvious solutions to illegal immigration from Latin America. 15
Posted by J Richards on January 18, 2012, 12:06 AM | # Dirty Bull @11
It’s not like Gorbachev had much of a choice: a fat account in a Swiss bank vs. character assassination and other troubles galore that would go into the history books, not in a flattering manner. Instead of blaming the filthy bankers, you blame one of the people they bribed to clear the way for their dirty acts! 16
Posted by Moore on January 18, 2012, 01:33 AM | # NAFTA was heavily supported and promoted by large financial interests. Mexican immigration surged after NAFTA was signed, as anyone who has lived in the US for the past 20 years should now from personal experience. http://borderbattles.ssrc.org/Portes/
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Posted by Captainchaos on January 18, 2012, 01:35 AM | # JR, Your thesis can be succinctly refuted by stating the following: Third World peoples, due to their low average group IQs, are incapable of producing from the body of their own peoples enough high IQ individuals to create, much less sustain, First World societies. Self-evidently, if they could, then they would; they don’t, therefore they cannot. And it is not as if they are lacking the motivation to make the attempt to create First World societies under their own power. We know that they are motivated to enjoy the benefits of First World societies as they emmigrate to First World societies. As a Christian you should know full-well, that all too often in life, the mind is willing yet the flesh be weak. Jewish malice is not all powerful, though it is powerful indeed. And in observing it with regard to its actual dimensions we are reminded, if even Jews ceased to exist, this would relieve us none at all of the existential struggle to be the men we ought to be. 18
Posted by Moore on January 18, 2012, 01:42 AM | # http://www.cjd.org/paper/NAFTA.html
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Posted by Moore on January 18, 2012, 01:50 AM | # Third World peoples don’t need First World societies. Simple folk can lead simple lives eking out a living out of the land as peasants. 21
Posted by Moore on January 18, 2012, 02:18 AM | # http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1201/S00050/nz-asset-sales-policy-began-on-wall-street.htm
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Posted by Captainchaos on January 18, 2012, 02:45 AM | #
JR is a man who prides himself on having thought through all the angles before you (I mean the proverbial “you”) did. Because he’s smarter than you, you see. Or so he would have it. It is my belief that JR is struggling, at least unconsciously, to reconcile Christian charity with our racial interests. It is here that perhaps his self-conception must run for a-time against the shoals. The question cannot be avoided; I will not let it be avoided. If Third World peoples are constitutionally incapable of producing any reasonable facsimile of a First World society by themselves, to precisely what degree are we as moral men obliged to provide them with that if this comprises our racial interests? Until I am furnished with compelling evidence to the contrary, “Just get rid of Jewish bankers,” cannot be a convincing substitute for a serious answer. P.S. I’m a bit disappointed that Maguire seems to have taken a more circuitous route in lieu of striking directly at the jugular. Not very German of him. 23
Posted by Dan Dare on January 18, 2012, 02:51 AM | # J Richards’ line of argumentation, in this instance as in every other, is predicated upon an ability to distract his less attentive readers through sleight of hand, more often than not by reference to dubious, obscure or irrelevant sources or, if that falls flat, by pointing to the twitching curtain behind which mysterious figures are busily operating this lever or that. His performance here is typical of the genre. Anyone reading his screed who did not know any better might receive the impression that desperate supplicants fleeing war, starvation and other depredations resulting from the activities of venal western capitalists in the third world, and in sub-Saharan Africa particularly, represent the bulk of the migrant stream into the west (and I think that in this respect his horizons only stretch as far as the US), when in fact that is very far from being the case. In the specific case of the US - statistics can be presented for other destinations also - the most significant source countries over the period 2000 - 2010 were Mexico (1.84 million), India (670,000), China (649,000), the Philippines (602,000) and the Dominican Republic (345,000). I’d propose that in each of these countries, with the possible exception of Mexico (where Banamex is now in the clammy clutch of Citigroup), the footprint of the ‘international bankers who control the money supply’ has been slight at best. Certainly in India and China it has been totally absent, and in the Philippines as in the rest of South East Asia financial hegemony is exercised by the overseas Chinese diaspora. The Dominican Republic holds little interest for J Richards shadowy cabal as well - there being essentially no assets worth stripping - and the same applies to the next largest migrant source, Cuba. We could go on down the line, but I think there is little need to belabour the point. As for sub-Saharan Africa, it has provided a relatively insignificant proportion of new Americans over the period in question, less than 7% of the 11.3 million permanent legal migrants derived from there, even fewer than from Western Europe which contributed around 9% of the total. As they say in Alabammy, “this dog don’t hunt”. Third worlders come to America because they get their hands on more cargo than they can at home, not because of war, pestilence or starvation arising from the manipulations of ‘international bankers who control supply’. Oh fuck it, I’m tired of this double-talk. Let’s just say Jews and have done with it.
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Posted by Moore on January 18, 2012, 03:02 AM | #
Do the bankers have to personally pilot the 747s bringing them in to begin to bear any culpability?
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Posted by Dan Dare on January 18, 2012, 03:10 AM | # ‘Them’ being the migrants, presumably. No, they don’t. In fact what brings in most permanent migrants to the US (90% or more) are earlier migrants who are already there. The magic of chain migration into the US (and most other western countries) operates without the need for ‘international bankers who control the money supply’ to grease the wheels. Contrary to what J Richards might have us believe, even starting up the transports rolling again to the East will not staunch the flow. It has its own irresistible internal logic. 26
Posted by Moore on January 18, 2012, 03:14 AM | # And how many immigrants from North Korea? You can’t separate immigration from places like India and China from the economic ties spearheaded by financial interests, especially starting in the 90s with GATT, giving China MFN status, etc. 27
Posted by Captainchaos on January 18, 2012, 03:26 AM | #
LOL. First cast the mote from thine own eye, Dare.
And the clout of Jewish wealth had nothing to do with setting that train in motion and keeping it in motion? Again: LOL. I’m willing to both you and Richards share a certain admiration for this Bible passage:
Just what is it that serpents are wise to?
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Posted by Captainchaos on January 18, 2012, 03:29 AM | # That should read: “I’m willing to [bet] both you and Richards…” 29
Posted by Captainchaos on January 18, 2012, 03:42 AM | #
To ensure any sustainable improvement in the lives of those niggers an obscene proportion of their numbers would frankly need to be sterilized. 30
Posted by Captainchaos on January 18, 2012, 03:47 AM | #
The trick would be to put muds on the same train. A process that has a salutary internal logic all its own. 31
Posted by Leon Haller on January 18, 2012, 04:46 AM | #
Many of us struggle with that. BTW, Captain, what is your opinion re the Racial State, which I;m sure you agree is our final goal? Should we push for racial secession within and from the US (Northwest Front), or White Zion? 32
Posted by Dasein on January 18, 2012, 05:08 AM | # Another alternative for whites in the Anglo diaspora lands is to return to a European country where they have some roots. I think the odds of a European country moving quickly towards a nationalist solution are much higher than the same in any of the Anglo countries. Though America could always, as Wesley Clark threatened, try to stop it. Just sticking with the US, it’s not obvious that things will improve in the near future. The 2-party system and the primitive intellect of large swathes of the population that should be most open to a racial partitioning solution make it hard to believe things will get better anytime soon. 43% of American thought that God was intervening in the Broncos-Steelers game to help Tebow. What can you say to that? Until these people can be bombarded with nationalist propaganda like they are now with egalitarian propaganda, don’t expect them to think their way out of this. 33
Posted by Dasein on January 18, 2012, 05:48 AM | # Here‘s the Tebow poll. It’s ‘only’ 38% among whites. My guess, though, is that among that 38% will be a good portion of those whites who end up as miscegenators. Especially with the 81% of Hispanics who are sufficiently ‘religious’ for their tastes. I would like to see survey data, but my impression, based on people I know, is that a good portion of multiracial marriages (especially Hispanic-White) are between Evangelical Christians. Who knows, maybe some day we’ll have the nightmare scenario of the only whites not miscegenating in large numbers in the US being hypocritical liberals? That really would be the adoptation of the jewish strategy that some have suggested as a white survival mechanism.
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Posted by Leon Haller on January 18, 2012, 07:31 AM | #
Are you responding to my comment @31? The “we’ll all end up back in Europe” scenario is one I’ve been hearing from my parents since the 70s - which is utterly appalling and speaks volumes, if a clever chap like you thinks about it. When Reagan won in 1980 the country was nearly 84% white. Even throwing out Jews as well as a few mixed-race ‘passers’, it was at least 80% white. And yet I recall my dad and an uncle (WW2 and Vietnam vets, respectively) already talking about whites having to return to the Old Countries well before the Iranian hostage crisis (I think around ‘77 or ‘78). Why the defeatism? Why in an overwhelmingly white nation was America’s nonwhite-dominant future already perceived as inevitable? Of course, would a nationalist Euro govt necessarily agree to admit vast numbers (millions to tens of millions) of foreign whites - or would it still be too weak viz race, and just halt all immigration? I suspect the latter. I think most Euro govts would be ethno- not racial nationalist, and would find it easier to halt all immigration than to ‘discriminate’, esp on a racial basis. (Have any Euro nations flung open their borders for returning African whites?) I don’t think many WNs understand the depth of the ethical confusions re race among whites. Also, not sure very many whites in N America necessarily would want the immense hassle of moving to another continent where they don’t speak the language. As with WZ, there would have to be initial bilingual pioneer communities established before there would be substantial white emigration (of course we do have an advantage in the ubiquity of English-as-a-second-language).
And yet, there does remain an inchoate racialism among a large swathe of whites, as gleaned from polls on immigration. Despite all the ‘diversity is good’, ‘immigration is an economic blessing’, etc, nonsense, most white Americans still oppose immigration, and they become more entrenched in their opposition the more they learn the facts (I just read a reference to a poll on this phenomenon within the past month or so). Things will never get better in the US. Recall my “race against time” allusions. For every white ‘awakened’, two or three or ten immigrants pour in. We may yet end immigration for non-racial reasons - but the US will have been ‘diversified’ beyond redemption by that time. This is my whole point re WZ. I hope everyone finally realizes that the enemy is our own genetic constitution - our own innate individualism evolutionarily maladapted for a world of vast hordes of nonwhites with easy transportation and communications, at a time of the total breakdown of ancestral loyalty and piety throughout the West. I agree with those who say that the real battle for racial survival will be (and always was going to be) in Europe. Among soon to be ‘minoritized’ diasporic whites, the only hopes will either be return to Europe, WZ, or most likely, developing a hardened racial consciousness so as to be able to endure genetically pure through time, despite being powerless minorities. Until late 2011, I had never heard of Tim Tebow. But then my interests do not encompass ‘public sports’. 35
Posted by Graham_Lister on January 18, 2012, 07:33 AM | # @Dasein Those stats on belief in special divine intervention within a sporting contest are amazing are they not? Like God would really care what the outcome of such trivia is? Seriously the dumb religiosity of the average American Christian is mind-numbingly shocking in its banality and idiocy. It’s one of the reason I could not permanently live in the USA. Leon Haller would have us all genuflect before such stupidity? OK pragmatically I understand why in PR terms an American in public life has to pay lip service to such nonsense, but really can anyone assert that they do not find the idea of special divine action, in an American football game, to be intellectually moribund? I cannot say anything other than I find such ‘thoughts’ on God’s hypothetical role in a totally trivial game to be utterly offensive and quite repulsive, both intellectually and morally. Of course, one can be a thoughtful and philosophically sophisticated theist, but in America such creatures are like hen’s teeth. So like I’ve said before religion in America is of sociological importance but, in and of itself, is of no intellectual interest whatsoever. One might have an intellectual interest in why it is of sociological importance but that is a slightly different question to my mind. One might also ask if such lazy ‘magical thinking’ is so widespread is it any wonder that Americans seemingly are so hooked on numerous delusions? For example - the belief that ‘individual liberty’ is the foundational value of society and of cardinal importance under all possible circumstances? Or the myth of endless and unlimited human progress? 36
Posted by danielj on January 18, 2012, 08:39 AM | # Seriously the dumb religiosity of the average American Christian is mind-numbingly shocking in its banality and idiocy. It’s one of the reason I could not permanently live in the USA. There you go again… 37
Posted by Søren Renner on January 18, 2012, 09:34 AM | #
Troll much, Mr. Haller? Or is this the first time? 38
Posted by Dan Dare on January 18, 2012, 11:56 AM | # The Cap’n @ 27 and 30
With the singular exception of the United States, Jews had practically nothing to do with setting the process in motion, although it is true that, insofar as Jews manage the media and support the international human rights circus there and elsewhere, they are a necessary, if insufficient, part of the apparatus that keeps it in motion.
Brings to mind the classic “I Have a Dream…” cartoon from the early days of VNN - The niggers swimming back to Africa, each with a Jew under each arm… Not one of yours, was it?
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Posted by J Richards on January 18, 2012, 02:37 PM | # Captainchaos @17
This was addressed at the very beginning of the article. Don’t confuse civilizational or technological development with economic security. If the masses in the Third World have an adequate supply of food, water, clothes, shelter and basic medicine—which they’re capable of providing for themselves minus the influence of the international bankers, then it’s a gamble to leave this type of security for bling bling in the West (some of which is available in the Third World, too), a task that involves leaving many near and dear ones, too. How many would gamble in this manner? Few. So without banker-caused carnage and machinations, you don’t have mass emigration pressure in the developing world nor do you have open borders in the West.
We don’t have any such obligations. We may work together for mutual interests, not requiring mass immigration, and we may voluntarily provide humanitarian assistance. If the population size exceeds the availability of voluntary humanitarian assistance, then the assistance should be tied to vasectomies and tubal ligations for those with at least two biological children. 40
Posted by J Richards on January 18, 2012, 02:40 PM | # Dan Dare @1 You find my explanation superficially plausible in so far as emigration from the Third World goes, but ask why should the West let them in? You’ve answered the question for the U.S. by pointing to the community that constitutes the core of international bankers and its role in changing immigration laws, but ask what of Europe? The same international bankers also control European economies and have used their control of the European governments to allow the immigrants in. Dan Dare @10 Your alternative thesis, liberalism/liberal democracy, has already been addressed, not above but elsewhere. This alternative could account for why the immigrants are let in, but it doesn’t explain the emigration pressures. You have to come up with a separate explanation for the emigration pressures, such as the ones offered by Ex-Pro white activist and Captainchaos (e.g., lower IQs, intrinsic deficiencies of the Third World masses). Starting from here, I debated numerous individuals on liberal extremists having brought about the problems: http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/tony_lecomber_on_the_future_of_nationalism#c119979 (scroll down below and watch the “sincere” people start singing a different tune and even esteemed academics such as Dr. Graham Lister discombobulate). That takes care of your specific alternative hypothesis. Dan Dare @25
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Posted by J Richards on January 18, 2012, 02:47 PM | # Dan Dare @23
You’re the one interpreting it thus by focusing on acute factors behind emigration pressures, not the chronic ones. Even if there’s no war or large-scale starvation, large-scale chronic penury, barely being able to make ends meet combined with diminishing returns from labor, courtesy of international bankers, effect emigration.
Mexico is easy to explain as it borders the U.S. Illegal entry, occasional amnesties, chain migration following amnesty recipients, and driving forces such as NAFTA (see reader comment) go on to explain the figure. The Dominican Republic I’ll address shortly. India and China combined have had over 2 billion people over the period (2.5 billion at present) and by virtue of sheer numbers will comprise of a large proportion of the immigrants. As to the international bankers only having a slight footprint in India, China, etc., this has to be a joke. When the bankers started messing around too much in the Chinese economy, Chairman Mao expelled their agents who had come from the Soviet Union. The bankers got mad. Soviet troops amassed around the Chinese border, border provocations came from Manchuria, North Korea and Mongolia were allied with the Soviets, nuclear weapons were placed in Manchuria, Tibetan freedom fighters and Taiwanese troops were armed, U.S. naval and air bases were established in Vietnam, and U.S. forces were beefed up in Guam, Japan, Laos and Thailand, superficially for the Vietnam War. Chairman Mao responded via internal purges at first but eventually he had to give in. In exchange for opening China to the bankers, China was rewarded with removal of the troops buildup around it, Taiwan’s U.N. seat and a pledge to later get Taiwan, free reign in Tibet, Hong Kong, and investment from abroad. Like chairman Mao, bankers had had to deal with the problem of Josef Stalin. It’s one thing to get dupes to fight for you to take control of a nation, it’s another when the dupe turns on you. So Stalin ends up expelling the person they wanted to lead (Leon Trotsky (nee Brohnstein)), who’s eventually murdered, and the problem of a powerful nuclear-armed Soviet Union turning on the bankers in the future remained. So the bankers went on to break the Soviet Union (see a reader comment above). Now there was the problem of a possible revolt in the powerful U.S. that could purge the bankers. So they responded by increasingly sending American manufacturing to China. China was built up as a rival to America that the bankers would side with and turn against America should there be political revolt against them in America. The entire Chinese economy is in the hands of the international bankers and thus, also independently, of any nation in southeast Asia where the Chinese have any significant influence. India is hardly different. England ruled it until the mid-twentieth century, and England was controlled by the international bankers. When India became independent, it was left with a socialist democracy and the money was controlled by a central bank (Reserve Bank of India) that was controlled by the international bankers. You can extrapolate from there. As of present, I’ve heard of the bankers wanting to place a trojan horse in India. They’re offering India plenty of European Union visas for its professionals if India allows greater freedom to foreign products and investors. India would have to open up more of its sectors and markets as part of a FREE TRADE agreement, which allows foreign legal and accounting firms to operate more freely in India. Guess what? The Indian professionals will be displacing their European counterparts while the foreign accountants will be moving large chunks of Indian wealth abroad. The Indian government is expected to take the deal in 2012. So much for your lame claims!
The big picture isn’t undermined by a nation here and there, but we’re not even looking at an exception. It seems to have escaped your attention that the long-standing economic sanctions placed on Cuba by the bankers because Fidel Castro, like Mao initially, didn’t give carte blanche to the bankers, has created suffering and a refugee problem that has translated to many Cuban immigrants [geographic proximity is relevant]. As to the Dominican Republic, there’s again the geographic proximity factor, and the bankers have been at play there, too. First you have look at the peopling of it by black slaves who were uprooted and displaced by the money changers as part of their transatlantic slave trade. So you have a history of carnage, involving banker-controlled Spain and France, leading to the present. The bankers have been running the economy and the Central America-Dominican Republic FREE TRADE Agreement (CAFTA-DR) was made effective in March 2007… so what do you think is poised to happen in the future?
Black Africa is distant and all of it combined numbers much less than China-India. The emigration pressure in many parts there far exceeds the immigration allowance in the West, which is the part you need to focus on. The bankers also can’t be bringing in blacks by the shipload, as a rapid increase in the black population will risk a powerful uprising against immigration in the West——they have to do it more slowly.
Again, you focus on acute factors, not the chronic ones caused by the bankers. People may want more cargo, but if they have a secure existence where they live, they won’t gamble, en masse, on their chances in a foreign land [a few individuals are a different matter]. 42
Posted by J Richards on January 18, 2012, 03:45 PM | # DiscombobulationIt’s amusing to observe Haller above. This is one gentleman who’s been posting left and right on the grave necessity of a singular focus on the mass immigration problem of the West. And when the discussion turns to its root causes, he discombobulates [@2], going into the alleged complexity of causal factors, scapegoating, my mental imbalance, the degradation of the intellectual value of MR, the need for censorship of my “very dangerous” ideas… anything but an alternative thesis of the causal factors and solution that he posts for peer-review, notwithstanding his claim of involvement with immigration issues for decades! As a side note, the esteemed Dr. Graham_Lister, who has in the past chided me for detracting from a focus on the immigration problem, leaves a comment [@35], more than a day after the post was up, that interestingly has nothing to do with the post; it’s about religiosity instead! Haller comes back with the topic of secession or moving to a different nation or region to form a white homeland [@31], the trolling he’s also been engaging in left and right. Incidentally, I’ve responded to this trolling by mentioning some practical issues associated with the proposal on several occasions, the latest here, which Haller has undoubtedly read, but he doesn’t respond to the issues and trolls yet again. Haller pulls out other items from his bag of tricks [@34], the old lame attempt at demoralization, by claiming that the enemy of the white people is their own genetic constitution, on which count he’s been challenged, and then lamenting a total breakdown of ancestral loyalty, on which he has also been challenged, two challenges that the record, on the same page where these challenges appear, reveals Haller wasn’t able to muster evidence against. One wonders if Haller thinks we don’t notice or that he’s so desperate that he leaves such commentary in an ultimately doomed attempt to mislead naive individuals who may come across the “very dangerous” ideas by happenstance. 43
Posted by Ex-Pro White Activist on January 18, 2012, 06:15 PM | #
You need that same sovereign government (executive branch, 2/3s majorities in both houses of Congress) to implement your Rx for the Federal Reserve System, too. Possibly you could get by without the Supreme Court if you copy a page from the post-Civil War Reconstruction Congress. This is exercise Congress’ Constitutional power to limit the Court’s appellate jurisdiction. The last time this happened the Court of that era restrained itself from further challenges to that Congress. So I guess I have the same question for you as I had for Leon Haller. How many candidates committed to enacting your program do you have standing for office this cycle? And are they also committed to border & immigration control? I ask this because I don’t believe mere reforms in the Federal Reserve’s overseas operations will cause current immigrants to stay home. 44
Posted by Ivan on January 18, 2012, 06:19 PM | #
I pray that Jimmy will realize one day that the inescapable logical corollary to his brilliant line is: Humans of all races, without exception, must join forces to solve their major common problem. Were I an Arab, I would add: And they will, insha’Allah. 45
Posted by Ivan on January 18, 2012, 06:41 PM | #
I am not willing to give Gorbachev much of a choice either: he was and remains a dumb ass or a sell-out bustard. Until today, I am not clear who he was; 50/50 is probably a safe bet. 46
Posted by Dan Dare on January 18, 2012, 07:04 PM | # J Richards posts passim
No they didn’t. International bankers (even gentile ones) had nothing to do with the British Nationality 1948, the West German Grundgesetz, the bilateral agreements which brought in ‘guest workers’ from the southern Mediterranean littoral and the Near East into a number of western European countries (including even Judenrein Switzerland), or with the more recent decisions by the Nordic countries to open their gates to successive waves of so-called ‘asylum seekers. You are making the customary faux pas of extrapolating what is supposed to have happened in America to the rest of the west, and it is simply foolish to so without proper evidence to back up your suppositions.
The principal push factor is easily established. Technological developments have enabled the dissemination across the entire third world, initially via Hollywood movies, then via satellite TV and lately via the Internet, of images depicting the cornucopian lifestyle and peaceful stability that we enjoy in the west. This has created aspirations which can never be realised for a variety of reasons, and which compel migrants to seek a better life elsewhere. A corresponding technological advance in the form of cheap jet travel has facilitated the pursuit of their dreams. It really is that simple. There is no need to search for explanations which entail shadowy figures (aka jüdische Drahtzieher) skulking behind the curtain.
None of this even begins to address my thesis, which still remains unchallenged to this day. You certainly haven’t even attempted to rebut my specific arguments, airy persiflage and pointing to the incoherent ramblings of Lee John Barnes do not advance your effort in the slightest. But here’s a hint: it is in the post-war emergence of the universalist idiom and not in the much older and unfairly-maligned state of mind called ‘liberalism’ (an American bogey-man, second only to ‘socialism’ in its ability to frighten the horses) that we need search for the key to our present travails. Then onto a few points of detail:
Ted Kennedy was one of the principal sponsors of the legislation in the US Senate:
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Not ‘international bankers’ then?
On the contrary, it is your own laughable suggestion that the Reserve Bank of India and the Bank of China, as well the entire banking sector in those two countries (which in China’s case is entirely, and in India’s case is mostly, still nationalised), are under the sway of ‘international bankers’ that is risible .
Your case is not assisted by resort to hyperbole. Although FDI into China is the highest in the world, on a per capita basis it is far lower than the FDI flows into, and the accumulated FDI stock in the EU or the US. China’s external debt is also miniscule compared to the US, as is that of India, the latter being smaller than that of Greece. None of this is characteristic of economies which are in hock to ‘international bankers’. And if what you claim is true, then why would ‘international bankers’ conspire to undermine their own investment by causing the cream of Chinese talent to flee abroad? It simply isn’t rational, unless you are prepared to believe that the real goal of the ‘international bankers’ is to displace the population of the west and replace it with Indians, Chinese and other assorted third worlders. Is that what you believe it is all about? This caused an eyebrow to raise:
First point to note is that there is no such thing as an ‘EU visa’; immigration and citizenship remain the prerogative of individual member states, and that is unaffected by EU bilateral FTAs. A number of such agreements are already in effect, and they all include the so-called ‘Doha Mode 4’ concession which allow for foreign corporations to bring in highly skilled workers on a temporary basis as so-called intra-company transfers. ICTs are nothing especially new, the US already operates such a scheme with its LI visas - there were 700,000 such transferees into the US in 2010. Those EU countries that don’t already have such facilities in their immigration legislation, will be required to do so under any EU FTA, unless they decide to opt out. But since most do already, this FTA includes nothing really new from an immigration perspective. However since this one involves India, member states will probably need to be on their guard for possible abuses and will need to put appropriate safeguards in place, as Britain has already done in 2011. In India’s case a minimum salary cap will usually do the trick. Perhaps before proceeding further with this discussion it might be helpful if you were now to spell out exactly who and what it is you refer to when talking about ‘international bankers who control the money supply’. As it stands it’s all just a little too nebulous.
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Posted by Ivan on January 18, 2012, 07:37 PM | #
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Posted by Dan Dare on January 18, 2012, 07:43 PM | # I was addressing the organ-grinder not his pet monkey. 49
Posted by Ivan on January 18, 2012, 07:43 PM | # Ivan’s resolution of the three thousand years old conundrum: Heil Hitler + Long Live Stalin + Allahu Akhbar - Leon Haller = The Final Solution of the Foremost World Problem 50
Posted by Ivan on January 18, 2012, 07:51 PM | # You have to excuse me, gentlemen, there was a last minute correction to the formula: Heil Hitler + Long Live Stalin + Allahu Akhbar - Leon Haller - Dan Dare = The Final Solution of the Foremost World Problem 51
Posted by Ivan on January 18, 2012, 08:21 PM | #
That is very kind of you, Dan, but my master can sometimes be so patient and gentle with stupidity of the opponent that the opponent bounces right off of his painstakingly woven factual argumentation without a scratch… The only excuse I can hope for, both from you and from my boss, is that I’ve answered your original question to your satisfaction. 52
Posted by Ivan on January 18, 2012, 09:05 PM | # Heil Hitler + Long Live Stalin + Allahu Akhbar - Leon Haller - Dan Dare = The Final Solution of the Foremost World Problem As all can see by now with their own eyes, Leon Haller and Dan Dare are part and parcel of The Final Solution: the solution won’t work if we remove them from the formula. The formula for the Final Solution is complete and final now. It has no copyright restrictions and can be used freely anywhere, anytime, on any media, provided its author and source of origin are acknowledged as Ivan De Grozny of MR. 53
Posted by Dan Dare on January 18, 2012, 09:20 PM | # Ivan @24 Yes, you’re right, I’m regretting my hasty words already. It was churlish of me not to acknowledge the tremendous intellectual effort that you have been putting into your contributions here lately. #47 on its own is a masterclass in brevity and succinctness, not to mention deeply original in its Foucaultian incision. You are becoming a star in our firmament and a credit to J Richards, or whoever it was who enticed you here from wherever it was you were hiding your light under a bushel. 54
Posted by Ivan on January 18, 2012, 09:56 PM | # Yes, Dan, being hasty does no good. You have been so hasty as of late that you seem have forgotten to close the italics tag. Because of that this post will probably look like it came from George Costanza. Would you please correct that result of your hastiness before I post my next intellectual contribution b/c it is very important and I want it to look right and good in print. 55
Posted by Ivan on January 18, 2012, 10:08 PM | # Thank you, Dan, for hasty correction. Now, after the prompt resolution of the technical issue, Ivan De Grosny of RM may continue with his insights. Pardon my French, but arguing intellectually with the likes of Leon, Dan, Dr Graham and the rest of the Jew crew has the same fertility prospects as masturbating in front of their pictures. The only effective way to fight these bastards is to make fun of them in front of everyone - young and old, men and women, jew-wise and jew-blinded, and show unapologetically who they are. 56
Posted by Ivan on January 18, 2012, 10:38 PM | # Here is another insight from Ivan De Grozny of MR. I have lost a good chunk of money today in the stock market, and I’m mad like hell with money changers. The stupidity exhibited by the intellectual Dan was the last straw that broke the camel back. I can only hope more Americans will lose more money so they can wake up finally and catch up with my madness. Americans don’t like losing money and they literally hate to be taken for a ride b/c they think they are so smart that no one can take them for a ride. Well, they are taken for a ride; most of them just don’t realize it yet. Just look at Gerald Celente after he has been taking for a ride with 6-digit figure by money changers - he is mad and beautiful. I want more taken for a ride Geralds, Jerrys, and Johns. 57
Posted by Ron on January 19, 2012, 12:31 AM | # Is Dan Dare a Jew? I believe “Dan Dare” is a name from a comic book. Jews were and are heavily involved in comic books (e.g. Superman, Batman, Marvel, Stan Lee, Will Eisner etc.) and are big fans of them. 58
Posted by Dan Dare on January 19, 2012, 12:54 AM | # Dearest Ivan: It looks like J Richards or one of his boiler-room elves has fixed the formatting problem Ivan. Quelle service, what! Deeply sorry for the sloppiness, but I trust it didn’t detract from the expression of genuine astonishment at the sheer depth (and breadth) of your intellectual contribution here that I was trying to convey. Now, if only J Richards can arrange for the gremlin that prevents me from editing my own comments, a happy camper I would be! How are things these days in Grozny btw? I had thought that Jerry had ausgerotted your lot last time but he evidently missed a few. All I can say is that Wolfi’s loss is our gain! Your friend and admirer DD 59
Posted by Ivan on January 19, 2012, 01:35 AM | # Dearest friend DD: While communicating with a monkey thy shall not use words like ‘elves’, ‘gremlin’, ‘ausgerotted’, etc. It took me half an hour to digest what you are talking about. Please keep it simple, sweet, and focused. Attention span of monkeys is extremely short. And if we don’t understand what the communicator is trying to communicate, that alone, depending on circumstances, may make us very angry. Just pray for me, please, so I can win my money back tomorrow, will you. Thank you. Now I have to go to bed, if you excuse me. Good night, gentlemen. 60
Posted by Liberal Heresy on January 19, 2012, 06:20 AM | #
This topic has been kept in the press by a reader at the LSE (link below) who is on the far left and whose focus is on trade issues. I fail to see what the fact that it is ‘nothing new’ has to do with the price of fish. As can be seen from the following snippets taken from the linked article the EU is negotiating trade deals with a range of countries. These deals are being pushed internally within the EU by international financial organisations. The deals trade temporary immigrant access to EU nations (most are focused on UK - have they been watching Eastenders, is that the aspirational factor?) for the opening up of the target nations economy to international finance. This gives some support to the Stiglitz argument outlined above (also long ago described by Carroll Quigley.) According to this article, these agreements will be not inside but outside of immigration arrangements for members states and because they are part of trade law are effectively permanent. There is blanket media silence on the subject too which supports the fact that the issue is highly sensitive and desired by powerful interest groups.
What it admittedly does not show is the ethnic component at the apex of ‘international finance’ nor that the intent driving it being to break down the homogeneity of the domestic population. Which of course does not mean those elements are not there, just that this is insufficient to demonstrate that.
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Posted by Ivan on January 19, 2012, 09:43 AM | #
Ron has made an intelligent observation. DD, will you answer Ron’s enquiry, please. My dear friend wouldn’t lie to us, would he. I like MR: one can call anyone else a Jew without having a “proof”. I was kicked out from VNN by a Jew Alex Linder (again, no “proof”) for alleging that Paul Craig Roberts is a crypto-Jew (based on what John Kaminsky has told me).
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Posted by Feliu on January 19, 2012, 11:19 AM | # The fall of the USSR had more to do with the propaganda via Hollywood movies demoralising the soviet masses than with the economic problems themselves. Strange as it seems, Rock Hudson’s and the like comedies had a more profund impact on the minds and imagination of those peoples. I don’t claim is the only factor, but deep convictions are usualy not rationalised but irrational. 63
Posted by Dan Dare on January 19, 2012, 11:48 AM | #
This much is true, however, in the case of Britain the changes to Tier 2 from April 2011 do offer some important safequards, as I mentioned earlier. There is now a minumum salary requirement of £40,000 for ICTs for contracts longer than 12 months, the transferee has to been have employed by the corporation in their home country for a minimum period of 6 months and, most importantly, the ICT route can no longer lead to permanent settlement. Tier 5 temporary worker (international agreements subcategory) has never led to permanent settlement and has a maximum 24-month duration. This category is separate from Tier 2 ICT and is intended for use by international organisations (e.g. NGOs) not multinational corporations. As to ‘blanket media silence’ it’s unclear what this refers to since a quick Google turns up articles from all the national papers as well as the BBC. With respect to the ‘nothing new’ remark, both Tier 2 ICT and Tier 5 have been in place since the points-based system was introduced in 2008 so neither has especially created for the EU-India FTA. As is well known, Indian MNCs in the UK already make extensive use of the ICT route so in that respect, the presence or absence of an EU FTA is ‘nothing new’. What is new is the government’s decision not to place a cap on ICTs, which may have been made with one eye on the forthcoming India FTA. 64
Posted by J Richards on January 19, 2012, 03:55 PM | # Ex-Pro White Activist @43
Read the money FAQ. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and the National Banking Act of 1863/64 are unconstitutional. No constitutional amendment is required to repeal them.
If you read the solution I’ve discussed [ http://www.majorityrights.com/money#implementation ], you won’t find any mention of running for office. Running for elections is a waste of time. Just look at the outcomes when the real deal has run or attempted to run… James Hart, Lyndon LaRouche Jr., John Turmel, John de Nugent. The solutions I’ve discussed involve focused mass protest, deadly violence specifically targeted toward the bankers, etc.: http://www.majorityrights.com/money#implementation Elsewhere I’ve used the analogy of bringing down a building via controlled demolition: http://www.majorityrights.com/norwegian.massacre#intervention Nobody tries to bomb the hell out of the building; it’s simply a matter of identifying the support structures and strategic placement of explosives to bring the entire building down using a small amount of explosives. Much work could be done on these things, but you get the idea.
I’m not aiming for electoral success. At present I’m working toward education and other strategies. Take care of the money problem and further worsening of the immigration situation is effectively halted and a significant degree of reversal in one or the other form is easily effected. Some examples here [much more can be discussed, but this is for later]: http://majorityrights.com/norwegian.massacre#europe-and-muslims 65
Posted by J Richards on January 19, 2012, 04:08 PM | # Dan Dare @46
These bankers were responsible for WW2 in the first place! The immediate reason was to halt German independence from banker control (Germany quickly prospered when it took the money supply into its own hands, while other nations were suffering under a depression, and Germany was under international economic boycott!). A secondary reason was the establishment of Israel. The guest workers were brought in to reconstruct war-ravaged Europe, and there was no intention that they permanently stay there. As to the recent Nordic nations’ decisions, there’s a simple reality check. Look at whether the governments issue their own money or do they issue bonds to borrow money. This will tell you who controls the power and thus directs the government.
I’ve already responded to this. Bling bling may attract, but there’s the need to learn a foreign language or at least a foreign accent, learn and re-learn various things, adjust to an alien culture, leave friends and family behind, deal with uncertainty, etc. If people are economically secure in their homelands but relatively lacking in bling bling, at most a few individuals will take the gamble and travel abroad with the intention of long-term foreign residence; the masses won’t.
You’re being disingenuous. First, your thesis is a mere assertion. Second, I didn’t point you to the ramblings of Lee John Barnes, but to my comment in reply to Barnes, which cited well-documented data placing a very small minority at the liberal extreme (it doesn’t matter whether you chose to describe this end of the dimension as leftist or universalist). The key is to show how a process of democratic voting could result in the imposition of extreme policies favored by a very small minority on the entire population, which your thesis doesn’t show. We can see where the post-war “universalist” idiom comes from. The community underlying the core of the international bankers considers the Torah as part of its religious scriptures. This community is supposed to return to a mythical homeland following the elimination of a number related to 6. 6,000 would be too few, 6 billion too many. But the 600,000 letters of the Torah multiplied with 10, the number of divine projection, gives 6 million, a suitable number. More: http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2010/06/kabbalah-gematria-jewish-magic_228.html The figure didn’t stick around WWI. It stuck around WWII. So the community, after having crushed Germany and giving others a warning, initiated the process of reducing a future likelihood of political revolt against them by implementing various policies, including immigration, packaging it as an atonement or progressiveness or preventive or whatever, using the 6 million figure in particular to demonize and silence the opposition; this is the “universalism” you’re talking about, and it isn’t something intrinsic to the white people. The international bankers were able to get away with this because they owned the mainstream media and the important governments.
The architects were the community from which the core of the international bankers come from. They usually have a front man from outside their community. You need to look at the behind-the-scenes activity, and I’ve already cited extensive documentation in one of the links in the article.
I figured that the brief history of China would give you a clue. Apparently not. State ownership of a central bank means nothing when the government issues bonds to borrow money instead of issuing the money it and the nation needs. Chinese government bonds for you: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/china/government-bond-yield This tells you who controls the Chinese economy [hint: not the government]. The Reserve Bank of India was set up as a private bank by the British. Sure, it was nationalized when India became independent, but what does this mean? It’s a phony show of the government appointing the Board of directors. The shareholders are private: http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=22499164 ; the nation’s money is created by banks, as debt.
When the bankers build China as an insurance against the possibility of revolt in a lone superpower, the U.S., destroying their network, China will fare well for a while. Nothing about this argues against the Chinese economy being controlled by the international bankers.
There’s no such undermining. The bulk of the jobs sent to China don’t require high IQs. And if lots of high IQ Chinese leave it, should China revolt against the bankers, China will have to last under banker onslaught for many years before the newer generation grows up and acquires the skills necessary to work with the cutting edge in technology.
It isn’t complete displacement but to send diversity to those regions where a political revolt could have disastrous consequences for the international bankers’ network: USA in particular, and also the U.K., France and other important regions in the Western hemisphere, which is where they reside… you won’t see them try to send a lot of diversity to Latvia and Estonia.
Much ado about nothing. An EU visa is a succinct, non-standard reference to “an entry permit to one of the European Union member nations.” The point also isn’t about permanent immigration and citizenship.
Lots of irrelevant details that detract from the big picture, also @63. Liberal Heresy @60 includes details, too, but organized in a manner such that the big picture is clear and expands on my note.
I gave you the money masters script. It has plenty of names. You can also look up various venture capitalists, Hedge funds, investment firms, banks, etc. to find more names. 66
Posted by Liberal Heresy on January 19, 2012, 04:45 PM | # Dan, I was referring to the Tier 4 aspect - that outlined in the article I linked to and to which all the points in my post above seem to apply: Not restricted, not malleable as trade law etc being pushed through by powerful interests predominantly in international finance to open up the economies of foreign countries to globalist financial interests. I also understand that there are many other restrictions being discussed as part of the Indian part of the deal such as not being about to nationalise key parts of the economy and so on. So in common parlance bankers using government negotiation to open up foreign nations to investment and being a fresh investment opportunity will likely be a resource gold rush, depending on the terms of the deal finally agreed. Also as far as I can see, this (M4) has not been covered well by the press. I consulted Google News and a couple of major news sites. It will not surprise anyone if the coalition government has made amendments in some other temporary immigration areas that they would of course trumpet this loudly in the press. With some of Cameron’s cast iron guarantees having the strength of lead and a promise to reduce net migration to ‘tens of thousands’ then of course the ‘wins’ will be placed in full view and the deals kept in the back room. 67
Posted by Graham_Lister on January 19, 2012, 04:53 PM | # Well Mr. Richards has convinced me that we are all doomed… Just as a afterthought do you all think that liberal political theory did not have the kernel of universalism from the get-go? Looks like it did to me but being part of the ‘Jew Crew’ (thanks Ivan) I would say that wouldn’t I. This conspiracy is getting bigger… Anyways going off topic can I ask Leon H. something? Leon I take it you did see that polling evidence (cited by Dasein) on the apparently widespread American belief that God was directly intervening in the outcome of various events within American football games. Now I know the standard theological idea that everything which is not God only exists because it is his will, but as a serious chap are you not embarrassed by the idea expressed by many of your co-religionists that, in a strong sense of the term, God directly willed the outcome of NFL games? Isn’t that a totally cringeworthy idea and one quite unfit for mature people to hold? Can you understand why people might be hostile to such expressions of religiosity? 68
Posted by Dan Dare on January 19, 2012, 05:15 PM | # Liberal Heresy @66 Well, in terms of the Indian end of the deal, I for one wouldn’t shed any tears about investment opportunities opening up for western concerns in India, in terms of asymmetrical market access the Indians have had a free ride for long enough (as have the Chinese). Not to mention the enormous trade advantages that have accrued over the years from having a currency whose nominal exchange rate has been artificially pegged at a fraction of its PPP equivalent. As long as appropriate safeguards are in place to prevent further abuse of immigration regulations by Indian MNCs and enforcement mechanisms are properly applied (I concede that aspect has been problematic in the past) I don’t think there is any great cause for concern, at least on the EU end. 69
Posted by The man from SMUSH on January 19, 2012, 05:23 PM | # I am more afraid of the godless high-minded European who thinks he is “advanced” because he doesn’t believe in silly ideas like god, meanwhile his continent and traditions are getting overrun by a people who mutilate their own daughters and wipe themselves with their own hands. 70
Posted by Liberal Heresy on January 19, 2012, 05:50 PM | # Well that brings up a few thoughts Dan. Would those economic investment benefits accrue to the wider UK economy and population and not just to financial interests, i.e. would capital flow back or would the profits go to low tax havens to be recycled, would the ability to site developments closer to very poor population centres further impact on our productive economic sectors; if we reap the downside (more immigration) yet our European competitors can also reap the benefits for cheaper industrial production without the costs; should we champion a sort of predatory capitalism whose effects many of us deplore in the west when it happens to other nations, especially one as generally poor as much of India is e.g. agribusiness is already creating some significant disruption to traditional farming methods there already and throwing people off the land into massive slums around major cities; and of course the quid pro quo here is that these M4 immigrants are allowed in unlimited numbers, are paid under the UK average wage rates and the difference is made up through things such as not being taxed so there is potential for increased unemployment in those sectors and where this doesn’t happen British workers employed there have less job security and have downward pressures on wages. Plus London becomes home to more arrogant fricking subcons. Do we not need to claim the moral high ground for our cause - a goal beyond ourselves and not somehow just revert to a social Darwinist form of capitalism like the 1980s, but rather to offer a vision of a different philosophy that can appeal worldwide? Well, at least outwardly until we can put the hankie away after we wave the last non-European goodbye from our own nation and have encouraged similar developments across the European heartland and in the rebel colonies? 71
Posted by Graham_Lister on January 19, 2012, 06:09 PM | # SMUSH I take it that barb is aimed at me? Nothing against religion per se dear boy - so long as it is moderately intelligent in its orientation and expression. Care to discuss Aquinas, Barth, Rahner, or perhaps Tillich or even Kierkegaard? No let’s discuss the ‘Sermon on the NFL playoffs’. Seriously something is profoundly amiss in a society in which adults can happily admit that they think the NFL playoffs are amongst the concerns of God to such an extent he directly intervenes in them, performing in the jargon ‘special divine actions’. Talk about ‘magical thinking’ - it makes Voodoo look positively rigorous in its world-view. I might be a haughty European but do you not think I might be justified on this topic in being so? And given the new outlook at MR perhaps it needs a new theme song to encapsulate this shift? Could I suggest this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83Y2hv-3UCM
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Posted by Dan Dare on January 19, 2012, 06:36 PM | # L.H. I certainly hold no candle for rampant, robber-baron style ‘Anglo-Saxon’ capitalism, and especially its sub-variant as practised by the spivs and wide-boys who represent Thatcher’s legacy to Britain. My own view is that, when future historians come to consider our present age, they will settle on the social-market democracy that flourished in continental Western Europe from the end of WW II until the onset of ‘globalisation’ around twenty years ago or so as the Golden Age, the most optimal form of human society that mankind has yet developed. As a Festung Europa kind of bloke myself, I believe that our best chance in returning to something approaching a new Golden Age is for Greater Europe to draw much, much closer together and to gradually reduce and eliminate external economic ties, except where these are necessary to furnish us with materials that we cannot provide for ourselves - petroleum, say, and bananas. ‘Investments’ in places like China or India would play no part in our economic future, in fact they would be viewed as treasonous if only because they serve to encourage unrealistic aspirations and also to create potentially lethal competition for increasingly scarce resources (including real estate). It turns out that der Chef may have been on the right track all along in terms of his dreams of Autarky and Lebensraum in the East, he just wasn’t capable of seeing the Big(ger) Picture™. ™ Courtesy of J Richards. 73
Posted by Liberal Heresy on January 19, 2012, 07:30 PM | # Perhaps Dan. I find it hard to treat anything that Robert Edwards writes seriously but of course to paraphrase his hero (badly from memory) it’s like a dwarf wearing the uniform of great men of the past - he is just recycling the views of his first political crush. And old Oswald did have some heartfelt and reasonably considered suggestions. Not sure Europe a nation was one, but. As a Briton I would not want to completely throw ourselves into some Eurasian landmass and exclude those rebel colonies that I mentioned earlier and I also wonder as a currently vague yet hopefully one day practical measure whether some form of accommodation could be made with the wider non-European Commonwealth. We have a surplus population to consider and as Captain Chaos asked somewhere here recently, do we as moral people have some responsibility to help those nations who while they might be able to achieve basic nationhood, will probably not go much further? Our first moral duty is to ourself and so it might seem off the wall as an idea right now with our recent history but with the example of Somalia, Zimbabwe, Chad.. in front of us it may be that we can agree with a nation(s) a form of British partnership agreement whereby they take our surplus ethnic population either in a particular area or more generally into their society and we help develop and nurture their society. It could have a democratic basis (well, very loosely termed) in that a political party runs for office under the proposal. China is there already of course making other kinds of agreements. The ‘creation of money’ idea is so interesting in this context wedded to the old Social Credit ideas of a basic stipend and the lack of a drain on British reserves. Anyway.. 74
Posted by Dan Dare on January 20, 2012, 01:17 AM | #
If memory serves that was one of Mosley’s principal hobby horses, I can’t remember from which period though.
Whatever can you be referring to?
I shouldn’t have thought so.
Something along the lines of the Uganda Plan, perhaps? 75
Posted by Dan Dare on January 20, 2012, 01:26 AM | #
Oh Gawd, not that hoary old chestnut again! Haven’t we done the Origins of the Second World War to death already? As for the economic aspects of the Third Reich, search here on ‘Tooze’ and follow the links. Perhaps we need a separate thread to put that one to bed for once and for all. In the meantime. I’ll be off the Fatherland in the next few days to commune with some real Krauts, which will make a pleasant change from the faux variety which continue to haunt these parts. Auf Wiederhören! 76
Posted by Leon Haller on January 20, 2012, 07:46 AM | #
I was very excited to check out the hypertext link you provided. Unfortunately, having read all the little articles assembled therein, what you state in the quote above is misleading. Yes, the NYT did mention “holocaust” and the 6 million figure multiple times pre-WW2 (assuming those snippets weren’t false or doctored, which would be very easy to do). But the latter was in reference to the number of Jews in Central and Eastern Europe. Was that number false or exaggerated? I don’t know, though I do know that at one time there were millions of Jews in Europe, with the majority in the East. As to the former, I suspect the term was used in typically exaggerated Jewish manner to refer to real, historically recognized massacres and pogroms. Nowhere that I saw was it ever asserted pre-WW2 that a holocaust of six million Jews had recently taken place - only that 6mil (again, the total number of Jews asserted to be living in the East) were in danger of such “holocaust” as anti-Semitism increased. BTW, none of this is to deny that Jews as a community are more than willing to lie to advance their EGI, or that the actual numbers associated with the Nazi Holocaust are 6 million. 77
Posted by Leon Haller on January 20, 2012, 09:26 AM | #
There are short and long responses I could give. The problem re the latter is that I have offered my opinions on the general significance of these matters at some length in the past here at MR. Yes, I saw Dasein’s data. I will assume its accuracy. Not to be a complete, er, racist, but I’d love to see a racial breakdown of the credulous. An interesting aspect of blacks and hispanics is that they tend to be more theistic and far more superstitious than whites, though this doesn’t seem to affect their behavior. (I almost never watch tv at home, except for movie dvds, but when traveling last year I happened to catch some lengthy prison ‘reality’ show featuring many short interviews with convicts, incl many minorities; I was amazed at the ... is it “cognitive dissonance”? ... exhibited by many of them, who had committed heinous crimes, and yet spoke with seeming sincerity about God.) This racial discrepancy in superstitiousness is probably due to innate cognitive differences as much as religious and cultural background. Still, I don’t doubt that some of those inferring divine interference on behalf of Tim Tebow (someone I had never heard of until fairly recently; I don’t follow organized sports in the least) were white. I suspect most of those were evangelicals or worse, pentecostals (these are not my “co-religionists”, btw). Admittedly, I’m not very knowledgeable about newish Protestant sects. I did once dated a rather loose girl whose poor mother (I mean familially ‘much put upon’, not destitute) was a very serious evangelical. She made me accompany her and her daughter and younger son to services a few times. I think she saw me as ‘marriage material’, but didn’t like my ‘Roman’ fealty. Anyway, I was mostly appalled at the whole spectacle these people made of themselves (I think the “holy rollers” are much worse - and don’t get me started on the babblers and their ‘tongues’). Except for unfortunate ‘modish’ influences occasionally infecting certain parishes (guitar folk singing, neo-pagan anthropomorphizing of The Earth), a Roman mass is usually a thing of elegance (if still boring to me; on those rare occasions when I do attend mass, I often cheat the service by spending as much time as I can reading from my Bible, or at least the Gospel sections of the missal - not even an atheist can deny the beauty and intellectual rigor of the Pauline letters). I find it hard to accept that anyone other than a child or simpleton really does think that God cares about the outcome of a football game, or indeed, about anything beyond ultimate things pertaining to the soul. For the record, I find the whole idea of petitionary prayer problematic (except, perhaps, in a psychobiological sense analogous to the “placebo effect”). I assure you, however hard the Fighting Irish may plead before a game, no priest of any quality really thinks God intervenes in trivial matters. That’s the short answer. The long answer, for another time, would have to broach why I believe any religion might be ontologically true; why I think Christianity of some de-historicized or ‘purified’ sort is true; why I think European Man should return to a theologically cleansed version of his traditional faith if he wishes his civilization and even race to endure; why I think most of the tenets of WN are compatible with Christianity; and why I hold that any American WN that is hostile to Christianity will have precisely zero long term impact.
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Posted by J Richards on January 20, 2012, 01:34 PM | # Haller @76
I didn’t mislead. I said from 1900 to before WW2 was over, not pre-WW2. How did they know of 6 million Jews dead before WW2 was over? You can check the archives yourself to see whether any of the scans are doctored or fake. Even Dan Dare knows better than to bring this up as this is just the NY Times. The 6 million figure appeared in many other publications before WW2 was over. The Juden had been promoting the figure for a long time. You say the numbers were “in reference to the number of Jews in Central and Eastern Europe,” but didn’t notice the instances where this many Jews were said to be suffering or under threat of annihilation. WWII provided the excuse to definitely pin the number on a war. Following the war, the 6 million figure has shown itself to be very robust, even surviving official downgrades of the number of Jewish casualties at Auschwitz from 4.5 million to 1.5 million. Anyway, your digress again from the main point. My response to Dan Dare was in the context of the origin of what he describes as the post-war “universalist” idiom that he blames for the immigration problem, on which you have no comment. You should start exiting MR on your own so that it happens in a graceful manner. Above, you exposed yourself as a major phony creature, a troll and a demoralizing agent, all in one convenient place instead of the various instances of one or more of these all over MR [see #42]. You seem to think that by staying away for a while after exposing yourself and then resuming, you will somehow either redeem yourself, or others will forget, or perhaps it’s the old Jewish desperation that if nothing else it’ll mislead newcomers who stumble across. I’ve told you that I’ll be getting rid of you. It’s just a matter of putting together things about this book that I’ll force you to review, critique. 79
Posted by Leon Haller on January 23, 2012, 08:44 AM | # Something to educate JRichards on monetary matters: http://mises.org/daily/5878/Mises-on-Money-and-Banking Incidentally, WNs need something equivalent to the Mises Institute (obviously, being so poor, we’d have to start virtually, but the format could be similar: regular lectures and courses teaching the fundamentals of nationalism, while building up a white activist base). 80
Posted by Hymen on February 06, 2012, 11:02 AM | # - arguing about “who is a Jew? ** hey, we do that frequently here in Israel !! in our case, it’s an artefact of the rabbinate having been given control of “personal status” issues. Ie, if you want to marry, or divorce, you (if you claim yoursel f to be a Jew) need a certificate of approval from the rabbinical court. If you claim to be Muslim (tons of them here, of course) or Christian (there are today more mother-tongue-Hebrew, native-born-Israeli Catholic kids (typically Filipino-heritage, and I’m happy to have them here, they do a good job in the IDF) who faithfully attend Mass in Hebrew (check out http://www.catholic.co.il/index.php?lang=he), than there are who do so in Latin in the whole world!), then your religious bodies will handle you. There is no civil marriage in Israel. - returning to the “racial homeland” in another Continent ** hey, we know all about THAT! If you believe that history is the best guide to the future, then look at our experience with “Ingathering of the Exiles”. The native-borns will always give socially-acceptable answers about welcoming you when questioned in public. The jokes they make about you behind your back, are a different matter! Now let’s take some Aryan-dream example: Latvia. They already had it up to their eyebrows with Russian speakers. Exactly how thrilled do y’all think they’re gonna be to receive a flood of Americanish speakers, who statistically are EXTREMELLY bad at learning a new language, who typically are too old to produce new Latvian-speaking children, and are actually looking for a pension and medical benefits! 81
Posted by Pat on April 11, 2012, 09:27 AM | # If it’s being done with countries, no doubt it’s easier to accomplish with individuals and families. When it is the strategy for entrepreneurship, however, it’s little more than piracy, not business and trade. Adding the color of law can make a huge difference in the perception of what constitutes justice and what doesn’t. If American bailouts operated upon this pattern, they were little more than piracy with government assistance. Next entry: Soren Renner at VoR Previous entry: Die Juden sind unser Unglück |
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Posted by Dan Dare on January 17, 2012, 01:47 AM | #
You have offered a possible explanation for why mass emigration from the third world is taking place, which may or may not be rational (in my view it is not), but your model does not explain why western countries should then let them in.
I suppose that if ‘international bankers who control the money supply’ is a cipher for Jewish plutocratic interests that might possibly explain third world immigration into the US, since it is reasonably well attested that Jews were prime movers behind the 1965 Act, but it fails to explain why Europe, let alone the other white settler countries, should be suffering from the same affliction.
Again, this is, I fear, yet another instance of the myopic parochialism all too common on MR these days which insists that what might (possibly) apply in the US context (i.e. Jewish malfeasance) must also apply in Europe and elsewhere.
I wish you could be made to desist from peddling such obvious and counter-intuitive rubbish, or persuaded to do it elsewhere.