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A Nation Rejoices: Justice at Last!Unless you live in an ice cave in ultima Thule the chances are very high that you will not have escaped the joyous post-Holiday tidings that (two of) the alleged perpetrators of the evil, racist 1993 murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence have finally been brought to book. Today at the Old Bailey Mr. Justice Treacy sentenced Gary Dobson (36) and David Norris (35) to detention ‘at Her Majesty’s pleasure’, stipulating that they should serve minimum sentences of at least 15 years and 14 years, respectively, before becoming eligible for consideration for parole.
Evil racists: Gary Dobson (l), David Norris
It certainly eclipses by far any efforts made by the police to pursue and prosecute the members of the Asian gang who murdered Gavin Hopley in 2002. But then of course Gavin was white, as was Christopher Yates so, strictly speaking, they don’t really count.
Not Evil Racists
The general response of the Great and Good to the outcome of the trial has been to pat themselves on the back in reflecting on what Jack Straw called today “a sea change” in British society brought about, per Straw, by the ‘terrible’ murder of Stephen as well as the (Macpherson) Inquiry, which he himself initiated. But, as other commentators have noted, there is still much more to do if racism is to be totally eradicated from British society and future ‘Stephens’ will be able to realise their legitimate aspirations, free from racial harassment and persecution. As a former head of the Commission for Racial Equality, Herman Ouseley, notes in today’s Guardian, the Lawrence verdict “... creates a new baseline in establishing standards of investigation and prosecution for all hate crimes.” A casual observer might infer from all this that much of Britain still consists of ‘no-go zones’ into which members of ethnic minorities venture at their peril, areas still infested as Ouseley has it by “... Racist and fascist groups”, practising racial terrorism in the form of “abuse, threats, and petrol bombs and excrement through letterboxes or windows.” It was so bad, apparently, that “Many families – harassed on the streets, and their children abused at school – were afraid to go out alone.” Such commentary might lead the aforementioned observer to deduce that Britain seems like a very dangerous place to be if you are non-white, and if in search of a factual underpinning for this viewpoint, the observer will surely want to consult the official statistics on such matters. They will surely demonstrate, beyond any possible doubt, that non-whites are still disproportionately victimised by serious racial violence even now, almost twenty years after Stephen’s Lawrence’s death. Won’t they?
Well, let’s see. The relevant data, such as it is, is collated annually in accordance with Section 95 of the Criminal Justice Act, 1991 and published by the Justice Department as Statistics on Race and the Criminal Justice System, referred to hereafter as the S95 Report. The most recent edition (2010) can be found here. Each annual edition includes statistics for the preceding three years, the 2010 edition therefore covers 2007 to 2009, inclusive. S95 reports first appeared around 1993, following racial ‘disturbances’ in several English cities in the 80s, and their intention was (and still remains) to facilitate ... the performance of those engaged in the administration of justice to avoid discriminating against any persons on the ground of race or sex or any other improper ground. In other words, the authorities took it upon themselves to gather and distribute statistics with the express purpose of showing the extent to which, if any, various oppressed groups, but particularly ethnic majorities, were being disadvantaged by the criminal justice system. However, as with many well-meaning bureaucratic initiatives, the Law of Unintended Consequences can upset even the best-laid plans and, with a little persistence, it is possible to unearth nuggets of interesting information that the drafters of the legislation most certainly never intended should see the light of day. Chief amongst is perhaps the data that is provided on the ethnicity of homicide victims and those suspected by the police of being the perpetrators of such acts. This is all set out in Table 2.05, included in the Statistical Tables which form part of the S95 Report, but which are separately downloadable at the same link above. Here is the table in question itself:
As it happens, the ethnic categories follow the so-called “4 + 1” scheme that is itself derived from the “16 +1” scheme as used in the 2001 Census. The proportion of each group in the general population is derived from the Population Estimates for Ethnic Groups (PEEG) which is published annually by the Office for National Statistics; the 2010 S95 Report utilises the 2007 PEEG figures. Combining the data from these sources gives us the information we need to proceed:
So given the above, which ethnic group would our casual observer now point to as being the most at risk from being murdered by a member from another group in contemporary Britain? Posted by Dan Dare on Wednesday, January 4, 2012 at 09:25 PM in Comments:2
Posted by Griffo of Griffin Hall on January 05, 2012, 04:35 AM | # Never mind the revocation of the ancient right of ‘double jeopardy’ the whole media bandwagon lkept alive by lefties etc and the tremendous ‘moral pressure’ on the jury to deliver the ‘right’ verdict. Remember the media circus over the much to be suspected Sion Jenkins and Billy-Jo’s dying ‘blood spray’? The Lawrence Two simply must appeal.I cannot see how the verdict can be upheld when placed before cold, rational judges. 3
Posted by A on January 05, 2012, 04:57 AM | # Great article, and great work digging up those statistics!! 4
Posted by Bill on January 05, 2012, 05:16 AM | # It is far too early to second guess the long term outcome of what has transpired in the aftermath of the Lawrence guilty trial, the jubilation in the liberal camp knows no bounds, the pieces are still in flux. There are so many tangled ends that one can approach the ramifications of what we have witnessed in the last few weeks - culminating in the guilty verdict. Suffice to say that war has been officially declared on the English white underclass, with attendant glances at the wider society that they should watch their P’s and Q’s if they know what is good for them. Buried in the statistics is Stephen Lawrence, the irony here is that it is the hand wringing liberal elites who imported this statistic (among 1100 others) knowing full well the statistics were inevitable, indeed, that is what was expected in their calculations in order to achieve their ends, namely the destruction of England and its peoples. As can be seen it doesn’t stop there. The demonisation and dehumanisation of English whites has gone into overdrive, the usual suspects fingerprint are all over the case, and we all know where this is leading. No, sorry, that is not quite correct, not all people do know where this is leading, in fact their are millions who haven’t a clue where this can lead. What I should have said is, that those who have taken more than a casual interest in what’s been happening in our country of late will have noticed something very menacing is afoot. The similarities of what we are (and have been) experiencing for decades in this country are uncannily similar to what has happened in other totalitarian societies, there is no mistaking the well tried and trusted methods being employed are working just as well here as as anywhere in the world both past and present The term hate crime should strike a clarion warning note to us all, but it won’t. This Lawrence case is a Rubicon crossing, the anti has been raised, it’s official, war has been declared against the English people. How do I know this, because they’ve just shouted it from the rooftop, in fact the elites have been waging war against their own kind for decades, now they just don’t care who knows it, wotcha gonna do about it? There’s no magnanimity in victory with this crowd, they’re in your face, - here, swivel on this. 5
Posted by daniel on January 05, 2012, 09:16 AM | # Man, I feel bad for Dobson and Norris, Men, keep control of yourselves. Some stealthy infiltration but mostly negotiating tactical retreat for now - establish our coordinated “nation”, then we’ll work on making them go. 6
Posted by Lee John Barnes on January 05, 2012, 11:31 AM | # You are looking at the wrong target - its not what the media say that matters, its the comments in the articles that tell you what the masses think. The Nationalists online over the last few days have been undertaking constant DISCOURSE DOMINANCE via Twitter, Blogs, newspaper comments, Facebook etc - and whilst the media have been pumping out their shit, the Nationalists have been jamming the signal and subverting it. Instead of posting comments on articles like this that are preaching to the converted, Nationalists need to get on Twitter etc and dominate and impose our discourse on the social media. This is SOCIAL ACTIVISM via DISCOURSE DOMINANCE which acts as a way to undermine, subvert and usurp the liberal power structure via LIBERAL DECONSTRUCTIONISM. Nationalists need to get off nationalist websites and start getting involved in spreading nationalist memes to the masses via the social media - that way we jam the media conditning mechanism and spread our memes to the masses. If you had been on Twitter over the last three days you would have seen the nationalists dominate the social discourse on the issues of the Lawrence Trian and Diane Abbot. Dont waste your time preaching to the converted - get on the social media and start dominating the discourse via social activism and assisting in liberal deconstucutionism. Get a twitter account. Start posting youtube videos. Start posting comments on newspaper articles. Start using facebook. DOMINATE THE DISCOURSE ! 7
Posted by Bill on January 05, 2012, 12:18 PM | # I agree with that, it’s long overdue. I myself must confess I know next to nothing of these mass outlets of inter-idea banter among (I assume) to be the younger elements of our society. I have been thinking along these lines myself, the potential for these mass outlets to swamp the MSM is a thousand times greater than anything we can do here. The nationalist websites have taken the message as far as they can, it needs translating into the soundbite age, it’s long overdue for another medium to disseminate the memes and carry the torch onwards. It is said you cannot teach an old dog new tricks, I’m an old dog so I doubt such me will be of much use. Hey Lee, that’s a good post, and not one blaspheme or crudity in sight. Is that a first here? 8
Posted by daniel on January 05, 2012, 12:35 PM | #
Maybe that is a good thing to do
Am I the only one who does not find videos more informative than audio and written? I am Start using facebook. I have heard that is dubious DOMINATE THE DISCOURSE ! 9
Posted by Dan Dare on January 05, 2012, 12:46 PM | # Lee, Bill: I don’t see it as an ‘either - or’ proposition. It is perfectly possible to both ‘preach to the converted’ and to reach out to the Great Unwashed, as our esteemed host regularly demonstrates. Some others here do the same as well, if with more modest results.
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Posted by Lee John Barnes on January 05, 2012, 01:34 PM | # DD - there is as you say time for social media activism and posting on sites like these to work on new tactics, stategies etc Re Daniel j - Facebook - dont set up an account in your own name - set up one for a nationalist campaign eg Stop Muslim Rape Grooming etc or Stop Immigration Bill - its real easy to use twitter, just set up an account and start posting - type in the names of nationalist organisations and start following them = voila ! You can post on here so Twitter is a doddle. 11
Posted by Bill on January 05, 2012, 01:51 PM | # Dan. I don’t see the Telegraph commenter as the great unwashed, I see the genuine Telegraph commenter as someone who is is either eager to pass on what he has gleaned so far, or is thirsting to enlarge his own vision of what he suspects and is mightily concerned about. The route of enlightenment is the same for us all, trouble is the MSM blogosphere is no different to such as here at MR, sooner or later you hit the 2% glass ceiling. I suspect this will not be the case with mass outlets. The reason nationalism is always in retreat from the MSM is because the MSM has the unrestricted use of the bull-horn of monopoly, it simply drowns out all opposition and until such times this monopoly can be challenged we shall remain stuck, stuck where we have been for the last 5 years at least. So what role remains for the nationalist website? As I see it, if what Lee suggests comes to fruition then we will see a huge thirst for knowledge coming from the great unwashed, in fact they will be like the rookie blogger poking around the Telegraph threads at entry level eager for more. Mass communication is all about the numbers game, nationalist websites simply don’t cut the mustard in this regard. This will leave the nationalist website much as it is now, to act as sort of fountain of advanced knowledge. What’s going on here in this land of ours is a vastly complex agenda being carried out (at the sharp end) by the very people who the great unwashed entrust with their vote. Some people will never understand what it’s all about, but the sooner the unenlightened get to understand they are in deep doo-doo then the sooner we can make progress. 12
Posted by Dan Dare on January 05, 2012, 02:43 PM | # Bill: Great Unwashed was perhaps a unfortunate turn of phrase, but I think you knew what I was getting at. In the past when trawling pastures new I have always made a habit of plugging MR, although given the current state of anarchy here I’m temporarily suspending that practice. Hopefully thing will get back on an even keel quite soon. 13
Posted by daniel on January 05, 2012, 03:04 PM | # I’ve heard Face Book is a security risk for White Nationalists. Apparently Twitter would be too. Any thoughts on that, particularly regarding Twitter? I just heard a news segment saying the CIA monitors that stuff. Not that one should necessarily care, but.. 14
Posted by Graham_Lister on January 05, 2012, 03:13 PM | # Hmm well I don’t know about anyone else but when walking around Florence I feel totally ‘in Europe’ but perhaps that’s just my idiosyncratic stance. The notion that Italians are not Europeans is simply too bizarre to be taken seriously. As for the internet and political debate; it strikes me it is largely a series of echo-chambers in which self-selecting groups simply reinforce their particular world-view. Alternatively there are general forums in which people of different viewpoints typically argue past each other. Intellectually honest, rigorous and open-minded discussion is hardly the norm online now is it? Out of interest just how does someone that really does think the awful punk/skinhead group “Screwdriver” are ‘mainstream’ actually communicate effectively with, let’s be frank, normal human beings? 15
Posted by Dan Dare on January 05, 2012, 03:23 PM | # Graham - your remark about echo chambers is quite apposite, but I don’t believe that that is an appellation that fits in the case of this particular vehicle. I and others (including GW) have frequently invited ‘antis’ to visit here and challenge our views, but almost none have taken up the invitation. There was a chap who is still a frequent commenter at CiF who made a cameo appearance last year but he was very much the exception.
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Posted by Graham_Lister on January 05, 2012, 03:51 PM | # @Dan Dare Fair enough but that response (or rather lack of) could be evidence for the echo-chamber; people simply don’t want to be challenged on their most cherished views – politics is as much about the emotions as it is ‘the facts’ - after all our ‘brute’ assumptions/values/emotional commitments shape how we view ‘the facts’ and what counts as a fact in such discourse. Personally I have found very few people that are genuinely open to new evidence or a new interpretation of the evidence with regard to their political views, that are typically a mix of the woefully ignorant and very confused. 17
Posted by Dan Dare on January 05, 2012, 04:18 PM | # I think the fact there as many of us renegades as there are is evidence in and of itself that more people than we might imagine are open to new evidence or new interpretations of existing evidence, provided it is presented in a plausible, persuasive and non-threatening manner. After all, it’s probably true to say that practically everyone posting here and on similar venues, including many of the ‘greybeards’ like me, will have passed through the post-war social-conditioning system that is laughably termed the ‘educational system’, with all that implies in terms of the imprinting of the approved received wisdom and permitted modes of expression. And yet, many of us have managed to transcend that conditioning, due in no small part to operations like this one. There are many more of the ‘Unawakened’ who are quietly horrified by events such as the political show-trial which is the subject of the current thread, and who might be amenable to presuasion. For that reason I respectfully demur from your over-pessimistic assessment of the utility of what we do here. 18
Posted by Graham_Lister on January 05, 2012, 04:32 PM | # Ah the modern show trial - well this seems to sum up some of the key issues… Theodore Dalrymple on “A Modern Witch Trial” or alternatively “Racism: The Charge Against Which There Is No Defense” “Men may be created equal, but not all murders are equal. Some are quickly forgotten, except by those immediately affected by them, while others—by no means always political assassinations—have a lasting political impact. Among the politically significant kind was the murder of Stephen Lawrence, a young black man, in a London suburb on the evening of April 22, 1993…” http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_otbie-racism.html Something about this sorry case reminded me of this: “The Shankill butchers ride tonight, They used to be just like me and you, The Shankill butchers on the rise, Everybody moan, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLY0HNds_tE And yes I’m in a pessimistic mood tonight Dan. 19
Posted by anon on January 05, 2012, 06:24 PM | #
Ditto. This kind of statistical digging is great ammo. The Lawrence case is an example of the cultural power manipulating empathy. By focusing solely on black victims and ignoring white victims they distort the decision-making process of all those r + e white people. It wouldn’t work on either black people or a highly inbred group. Using the killing of a white kid by a black gang as empathy manipulation might work on a third but they’d be shouted down by the other two thirds. White people the proportions are more or less the opposite. 20
Posted by Robert Reis on January 06, 2012, 03:00 AM | # 21
Posted by Don Herron on January 06, 2012, 01:15 PM | # Yet at the trial we were told the jacket was wetted in forensic tests and the heavily bloodstained clothes of Lawrence were kept more or less in the same room and atmosphere as the jacket, in unsealed bags, and handled in ways that cross-contamination could not be ruled out. Whispers OJ Simpson 22
Posted by Dan Dare on January 06, 2012, 02:41 PM | # According to media reports (see here and here) of the proceedings, the decisive evidence which ruled out the possibility of cross-contamination was provided by a Dr. Ros Hammond, an employee of LGC Forensics, the commercial enterprise commissioned by the Met to conduct the forensic investigation. All’s well that ends well, for LGC Forensics at least, who were very fast out of the gate in adding the Lawrence case to their online marketing blurb the day the verdict was announced. 23
Posted by Dasein on January 06, 2012, 03:36 PM | # Good find with the data, Dan, and good analysis. The anti-English system propagandists will of course try to spin this another way, for example by emphasising that blacks are disproportionately victims of murder (10.5% of victims vs. 3.5% of the pop). Or that most blacks (79%) are murdered by other blacks. I believe this was used in the recent London campaigns against gun crime. 24
Posted by Dasein on January 06, 2012, 03:48 PM | #
Interesting that you linked to an essay by Dalrymple, as one of the first steps in my journey towards ethnonationalism resulted from stumbling across a link to an article of his in City Journal. Someone had posted it in the CiF section for an article about the 7/7 bombings. Of course, it led me for a while through the neocon world, but eventually I found my way to MR. Another key part of my awakening was reading The Bell Curve. I think people with a scientific bent who read it will be convinced that there is a hereditary basis to the IQ gap. I have had success with other scientists in getting them to acknowledge the overwhelming likelihood of this. Some of them might become ethnonationalists based on neo-Darwinian theory (e.g. Salter’s work), but it’s difficult to convince them. 25
Posted by Dan Dare on January 06, 2012, 06:02 PM | # Thank you for the kind remarks, Dasein. The whole point of the exercise as far as I were concerned was, of course, to counter the system propagandists’ efforts to propagate the meme that ethnic minorities are disproportionately impacted by inter-racial violence (and homicide, particularly) when, as the data shows, the opposite is true. That this is borne out by the government’s own statistics is especially piquant, since that must have been the furtherst thing from the minds of the framers of the original legislation. That such valuable information has been hidden in plain view for many years now speaks volumes about the sloth and mendacity of the MSM. The same S95 publication contains data which can be used to demonstrate that white people are greatly under-represented as perpetrators of all forms of serious crime (offences which are tried in Crown as opposed to magistrates’ court) but this too is concealed from the public gaze under a cone of silence. To even whisper it in public is to commit the worst crime of all - that of uttering racist thought. 26
Posted by JM on January 06, 2012, 06:58 PM | # No attempt should ever be made to understand or accommodate these people. They brook no competition in their ancestral homelands, so neither will we. We need to drive them out. Those that do not take the hint can climb aboard the cattle trucks. It is them or us. This is a conclusion I have reached after much soul-searching, but I fear this is now an either/or situation and we may as well get it over with quickly. Nothing subtle or generational, just a short, sharp corrective race war. The economy will take a nosedive soon. This recession is not yet in first gear. Things will disintegrate suddenly without warning like they did last August, but this time it will be worse. After initial setbacks we will gradually wrest control of our country back from the filth column before turning our gaze towards the browner variant of pest. 27
Posted by anon on January 07, 2012, 05:05 PM | #
Information and trust. The person you’re talking to will have information from a source they trust. If you simply contest information they will disregard it. Undermine their trust in their source first until you have a level playing field and only then contest the information. Approaching it this way is ten times more effective. 28
Posted by Griffo of Griffin Hall on January 08, 2012, 03:44 AM | # What we saw the other day, in the jailing of the Lawrence Two was the darkest day in the history of British criminal justice. There simply MUST be an appeal.I cannot see how Dobson and Norris can lose in the cold, hard rationalising of jurisprudence. 29
Posted by AnalogMan on January 08, 2012, 12:04 PM | # Good article, but please check that ratio of 20:1. I make it 13:1. Also, you have included murders by black and Asian suspects where the victims’ races are unknown in interracial numbers. 30
Posted by local on January 08, 2012, 01:03 PM | # First off, excellent Dan. I had no ideas these kind of stats were available, this is exactly what we need. This needs to be shared. I did my own analysis of the figures the other day though and as far as I could find, the official percentage of population of blacks in the UK is lower than 3.5% (3.5% I found was their growth percentage). 31
Posted by Dan Dare on January 08, 2012, 01:56 PM | # AnalogMan wrote:
Correct on both counts, I have modified the figures accordingly - thanks for pointing this out. local wrote:
As noted the population figures used in the S95 Report are derived from the ONS 2007 Population Estimate which gives the population of England and Wales* as 54.08 million and the number of black and black mixed as 1.88 million, including 410,000 mixed. The ‘4 + 1’ classification does not separate out black, Asian and Other mixed, but places them into their respective ethnic ‘buckets’. *I omitted to mention in the article that all the stats relate to E & W only. 32
Posted by MOB on January 09, 2012, 06:07 PM | # Who’s Britain First? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tIkjyo6CXP8#! Next entry: Public Schools, Cash is Trash, and the New World Order Previous entry: Government Cheese |
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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 10:02 PM | #
Dan,
I didn’t know ya’ll had this data available. Is it the French then that don’t keep statistics based on race?