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A pro-Gypsy elite versus Middle EnglandExcerpt from an article by Rod Liddle Illegal asylum-seekers can rest a little easier in their beds for the moment because right now the Fleet Street redtops have got it in for the gypsies instead. We haven’t quite got to the stage of Kill a Pikey and Win a Metro, but one assumes it is just around the corner. For the Daily Mail, in particular, the whole issue of gypsies — or Roma, or travellers, whatever you want to call them — unites a number of key themes: gyppoes are renowned criminals and probably never pay taxes or the council charge; they depress house prices when they move in next door; they’re dirty and they make a mess; they are the beneficiaries of fatuous legislation which favours them over ‘ordinary’ people; they are a bit thick and prone to violence; they get free legal advice, paid for by you and me, on how to move their teeming, thieving families into that nice fallow field down the road; John Prescott seems to like them; we’re not allowed to set them on fire in their caravans because that would be politically incorrect; they cock a snook at authority, ill-treat animals and give you cancer. Well, OK, I made the last one up. But the Daily Mail’s twin obsessions of falling house prices and the ever present threat of cancer fizzing away on a fuse in the middle distance means that the connection will surely be made sooner or later. Of course, there is some truth in most of the prejudices I’ve detailed above. As we have recently discovered, gypsies do indeed get free advice from the Legal Services Commission about how to circumvent planning restrictions and avoid eviction from unauthorised sites. Gypsy children perform very, very badly at school in general and literacy rates among the multifarious travelling communities are, you have to say, on the lowish side, compared with that which pertains in, say, Paul Dacre’s family. It is John Prescott’s department that has custody of gypsies and it is upon his front door that the outraged folk of Middle England make their protests, usually in vain. Voice any criticism of the gypsies and you tend to get called a ‘racist’, despite the fact that, so far as I understand it, 90 per cent of those called gypsies do not constitute a separate race at all: being a gypsy is, in most cases (except for the Roma) not acquired through the genes… Gypsies are yet another issue in which the entire establishment — the law courts, the councils, the government and our major political parties, a whole bunch of quangos and pressure groups, the BBC, most broadsheet newspapers, international law — is seemingly of one mind and the mass of the public quite clearly of another. The same might be said of immigration and particularly bogus asylum-seekers. It is precisely this dichotomy which makes the tabloid newspapers salivate: here is an issue where debate is stifled or dismissed but which thoroughly annoys Middle England. And so gleefully they go to town. And the level of vilification — hatred would not be too strong a term for some of the coverage — is itself all the more potent and unanswerable because the newspapers perceive a conspiracy in which the establishment is squarely on the side of the gypsies and therefore will not listen to the public. And on the other side rational debate is forgotten, because as far as the establishment is concerned the ordinary Brit possesses views of the travelling community — and illegal asylum-seekers — which are simply not publishable and should not be heard. Whenever legitimate arguments are so dismissed by our politicians, there is the potential for trouble. Posted by jonjayray on Thursday, March 17, 2005 at 11:32 PM in Oh Tempora, Oh Mores Comments:2
Posted by Guessedworker on March 18, 2005, 03:19 AM | # In his journey - actually a steady climb - from left to right Rod Liddell appears to be arriving at that MR moment. In formulating the argument that the will of the majority is ignored by the political elite he shows he is half-way there. He has yet to show that he can continue the climb by extending his argument beyond a traitorous elite to liberalism, democracy, equality and modernity itself. For these are the authors of elite treachery (and many other pathologies which are not the subject of this discussion). The summit of the climb is the discovery of the means of change. How interesting it would be for Liddell to discover that. 3
Posted by Effra on March 18, 2005, 06:15 AM | # A debate on immigration took place on prime time TV last Saturday night. Only Channel 4, only one hour, but a few windows were thrown open. The first anti-immigration witness, Sir Andrew Green of MigrationWatch UK, was accused of objecting only because some immigrants are non-white. The accuser was David Aaronovitch, a non-white appointed to defend the government’s policy. Rod Liddle offered elaborate anti-racist apologias, but they weren’t good enough for Aaronovitch, who managed to slip in an insinuation of ‘anti-semitism’ to complete his win double. One of the two anti-immigration prosecutors was an Indian entrepreneuse (I think) who also trotted out the ‘Britain is a nation of immigrants, we’ve benefited so tremendously from the likes of me, but we can’t find enough room for more like me’ line. Yasmin Brown Alibi would have found little to disagree with there. Nick Griffin of the BNP featured for about ten seconds, long enough to claim that the mainstream had been forced to shift towards his lot’s ground. No anti-Muslim stuff from him, though Liddle put in a bit. It was a tepid and timid hour, at the end of which the pro-immigration side won a comfortable victory from a studio audience which had a bien pensant, ‘Question Time’ air. 4
Posted by Guessedworker on March 18, 2005, 06:33 AM | # A meaningless exercise, Effra. To conduct a proper debate on the issue one must first free opinion among the four native peoples of Britain. And one must provide accurate information - no more disinformation about a “nation of immigrants” or a “mongrel people” or how much fabulous economic and cultural wealth we gain from diversity. If this was undertaken for a suitable period - a minimum of 6 months of universal truth-speaking from the liberal establishment and the media, then the temperature of true opinion could be taken. Failing that one is merely testing how effective the campaign against natives has been. 5
Posted by seelow heights on March 18, 2005, 03:07 PM | # Rod Liddle offered elaborate anti-racist apologias, but they weren’t good enough for Aaronovitch, who managed to slip in an insinuation of ‘anti-semitism’ to complete his win double. 6
Posted by ben tillman on March 18, 2005, 06:32 PM | # EFFRA: The first anti-immigration witness, Sir Andrew Green of MigrationWatch UK, was accused of objecting only because some immigrants are non-white. SEELOW HEIGHTS: Going on the defensive is a mistake. Exactly. Sir Andrew Green should have said, “Indeed—and what of it?” And there are many ways to follow up on that, for example: “You objected to the presence of Englishmen in Rhodesia because they weren’t black. You can’t have it both ways, Mr. Aaronovitch.” Or, “The English [or the British, or Whites] have a right to exist. Like other peoples, we can’t exist without our own home. Do you deny that we have a right to exist?” Though these examples may be inartful, a little forethought should produce a number of ready ploys to turn the tables. 7
Posted by Geoff Beck on March 18, 2005, 06:45 PM | # Ben: Agreed. And if given the right setting - not the workplace, obviously - I’m not shy about saying: America is a country founded by whites, and for the benefit of whites. My God, how can a people like the English, be fooled into thinking otherwise, land that is organically their land? Truly Truly Orwellian. 8
Posted by Guessedworker on March 18, 2005, 06:54 PM | # We are not fooled. The land is ours. We know that. If a tenth of the energy that goes into extracting our acquiescence went instead into thinking up ways out of this mess there would be no question but that we would repatriate our guests and reclaim our land. All we need to do is speak of its possibility to make it seem inevitable. 9
Posted by Geoff Beck on March 18, 2005, 07:31 PM | # Guessedworker: It’s so easy for me to offer advice for others, (what a hypocrite look at the conditions in the USA ). But the English need to get mean, assertive, and direct. Yes, I do follow my advice, I drive to work each day with a big sign on my car “Deport Illegals”, pic hereAdditionally I’m rude to foriegners, won’t speak to them if spoken to, or I address them as “foriegner”. Some might think this is petty, so be it. But these are powerful signals and the invaders will know there is at least ONE white man that won’t bend his knee! Its also very hard for the race police to arrest persons for bad manners. 10
Posted by Steve Edwards on March 19, 2005, 06:00 AM | # I’ve always found Americans to be some of the best mannered and most generous people on Earth. Geoff, being rude to people is not something to wear as a badge of honour, nor will it bring anybody to your cause. People are more likely to be convinced by arguments that are couched in reasonable terms (that is, by somebody who appears perfectly calm) and from people who are well presented. The various academic minority race warriors are distinguishable by their impolite hectoring of anyone who disagrees with them, which is partly why many people decline to endorse their policies. 11
Posted by Geoff Beck on March 19, 2005, 10:18 AM | # Nobody argues in this nation, debate does not exist, reason is not operative. You’re still holding on to a past that has long died: People are more likely to be convinced by arguments that are couched in reasonable terms (that is, by somebody who appears perfectly calm) and from people who are well presented. Only a confident and powerful people can allow themselves such a luxury. We no longer have that luxury. I think you fail utterly to understand the nature of the threat, it is our very existence. This isn’t 1901 and their are no more Cecil Rhodes or Queen Victorias to rely on. Stop living off of past glory. 12
Posted by Geoff Beck on March 19, 2005, 10:42 AM | # Steve: Let me rephrase what I wrote above. There is a time for manners and deference - and a time for bluntness. Being mannerly and deferential to a class of people - whether it is corporate class or the slave class - that is battering the customs and traditions of my heritage into pieces is suicidal. In many respect my manners are quite antique. I tend to use Mr., Mrs., Miss and open doors for women, and the like. I was raised that way. I like wearing hemmed wool pants, leather shoes and white dress shirts. The invader class and its overlords shall not benefit from my politeness, manners, and deference. They don’t deserve it and they see it as a weakness. To be deferential and mannerly to those that wish my destruction is simply a death wish. 13
Posted by Guessedworker on March 20, 2005, 01:39 PM | # To return to Rod Liddell’s point, the only thing that can make a disassociated elite return cap in hand to the people is the approach of an election. 14
Posted by Steve Edwards on March 20, 2005, 02:28 PM | # Presumably you want to convince approximately 200 million of your fellow Americans around to your worldview. How is that going to happen if all they can hear are expletives? 15
Posted by Geoff Beck on March 20, 2005, 06:19 PM | # Steve: I’ve given up on convincing 200 million of my fellow Americans They’re more interested in Michael Jackson. BTW, I rarely curse, vocally. Though I often pepper my prose with it. Meet you for tea & crumpets with the queen. Ta da… 16
Posted by Andrew L on March 22, 2005, 12:50 AM | # I do give the Poms one thing , When I was a Greewich in London, Walking accross the road, there was a Rols Royse Cabrila, With a Very darked skined Lady sitting nursing a baby, (Probably Magarba’s), If here in Australia we may think it, But Up there, thay dam well say it, ha Supprised me , I need not go into details, you may well guess the curse, while other brothers in Africa are dieing of starvation , poverty, Aids, Governments,Nice to see some have the good life in good old white Anglo world, and it is all our falt.We should have paid for every African to have a roles Royce. Next entry: Inflation Disinformation Previous entry: Robert Lindsay of California |
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on March 18, 2005, 12:22 AM | #
“Whenever legitimate arguments are so dismissed by our politicians, there is the potential for trouble.” (—from the log entry)
You can force the lid down on the pressure-cooker just so long before it’ll blow sky-high. The class of people doing this stuff to us—the “élite” class—seem to just go blithely about their arrogance as though they haven’t a clue we’re looking at them, watching them with our mouths agape in astonishment and bewilderment at how they could to that, resenting them bitterly for the knife they’re plunging into our back; haven’t a clue as to what’s going throught the brains of whites whom they refuse to stop oppressing.