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An Open Letter to “guywhite”An Open Letter to “guywhite” Dear Guywhite, Your explanation of the relationship between the Community Reinvestment Act and the financial catastrophe is masterful and I will forward it to my list.[The Great Diversity Depression] I am less enthusiastic about “Our Problems and Solutions”. You identify yourself as a White Nationalist. I hope that you will agree that whiteness has a genetic component and a cultural component. To qualify genetically I suggest that a person ought to be a member of the European genetic clustering of the Caucasian genetic clustering. To qualify culturally I suggest that a person ought to be committed to European traditions and values and not hostile to these values nor to those people who are genetically members of the European genetic clustering of the Caucasian genetic clustering. We all know people who are genetically white but who are striving to weaken or abolish the white race. I am also acquainted with people who are genetically white but indifferent to the fate of the white race. My circle also includes many people who are neither white nor hostile to the white race nor seeking the abolition of the white race. Many of these people are members of the middle eastern genetic clustering of the Caucasian genetic clustering, a few of these people are members of the black African genetic clustering. I know too few people who are members of the other genetic clusterings to comment on their attitudes. One of the areas where you and I differ is that you include Jews as suitable genetic and cultural members of a hypothetical White Nationalist movement. Evidence I have presented on these pages shows that Jews are members of the middle eastern genetic clustering of the Caucasian genetic clustering. Evidence presented by myself and others on these pages strongly suggests that most Jews have been and are hostile to European traditions and to those people who are genetically members of the European genetic clustering of the Caucasian genetic clustering. There are people who are members of the Jewish genetic clustering of the middle eastern genetic clustering of the Caucasian genetic clustering who are neither actively nor consciously hostile to white people or to European traditions. Jews like Israel Shahak, Israel Shamir and Norman Finkelstein spring to mind. All of them believe the racist persecution of the Palestinians is wrong. None of them (to my knowledge) ever mentions Nazi gas chambers in the context of anti-Jewish measure taken by the Hitler government. Other Righteous Jews must exist, but their numbers cannot be large. I believe that my late friend Ronald Allen Liebman, B.A., M.P.A., M. Litt., D.P.A might have qualified. He was punished by the Jewish community and by his family for opposing the oppression of the Palestinians. Unfortunately, he died before the Internet made it possible for objective research on the Nazi anti-Jewish measures to be widely distributed. He was a man who adamantly preferred logic and truth to popularity. He would never have put his name on the abusive and scurrilous attack you posted on David Duke [to be honest, neither did you, since you publish anonymously.] Ron would have read Dr. Duke’s books and interviews and articles before putting pen to paper. It is obvious that you have not done this. As far as I know, Dr. Duke is no longer seeking public office. He seems to view his role as political commentator and activist. As such he ought to be judged on the quality of the books and articles he writes. His books are written by an articulate and thoughtful man. He is careful about his citations. He does not make unsubstantiated charges. He does not stoop to insult. Many writers have written works using a nom de plume that they would not want considered to be part of their serious corpus. Thirty three year ago David Duke wrote a sex manual for ladies. So what? Have you read it? Was it any good? David Duke, like many of us, has had unfortunate relations with the I.R.S. With his public persona it is probable that he was targeted with excessive zeal. What has this to do with his books, articles and interviews? Back when Dr. Duke and I were in college many students were wearing Vietcong uniforms or openly supporting murderous black terrorists like our new Secretary of State, why David Duke chose to wear a Nazi uniform is a question you might ask him. (But then you would have to reveal your name.) You have a problem, guywhite. I call it the Ian-Jobling – Larry-Auster Syndrome. None of you can believe that rational people can come up with different conclusions about Jews, Nazis, and the Nazi persecution of Jews than your own. You censor responses on your own websites and are offended at websites that accept responses that offend your ideological preconceptions. “He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave.” Posted by Robert Reis on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 at 12:15 AM in White Nationalism Comments:2
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 10:21 AM | #
I’m not familiar with the views of those three beyond brief passages of theirs posted here and there at blogs and several YouTube videos showing debates or interviews featuring Prof. Finkelstein which I’ve watched. But I’ll say what I hope is obvious: Jews who are scathingly critical of Israel such as the above three or this blogger Karin Friedemann cited by Prof. MacDonald in his new log entry, http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-talk.html , and Jews who are even scathingly critical of Jews themselves and of Judaïsm itself, such as one of the above (Israel Shamir; and even, to an extent, this Karin Friedemann, I would say, having browsed her blog), aren’t — that’s ARE NOT — opponents of Euro race-replacement or of what are commonly thought of as the extreme radical “leftist”( * ) social policies Jews support in general. Prof. Chomsky is another one: he supports everything that tends to destroy Eurodom and the Euro race at the same time that he scathingly criticises Israel. I dare say Prof. Finkelstein is the same though I’ve never heard his views on subjects other than Israel’s treatement of the Palestinians (I have no doubt his other views are all radical “leftist”). Certainly blogger Karin Friedemann is the same: supports the annihilation of all things Euro and of the Euro race itself as vehemently as she opposes “Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians” (one can be certain she opposes what she views as “Euros’ treatment of people of color” just as vehemently if not more so). It’s a mistake to think such “renegade” Jews support anything whatsoever to do with our side in the current Jewish War for Euro Extinction. They don’t. They’re on the other side in that war, the Jewish side. ( * I put quote marks around “leftist” there because I no longer view the “left-right” thing as valid or even as having any decipherable meaning, though I continue to use those standard terms in order to be understood in simple communication) 3
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 11:12 AM | # There’s a good “left” and a bad “left.” The good “left” is simply part of normalness, such as it’s wrong to be mean or unjust to someone on account of his race, it’s wrong for a filthy greedy crony-capitalist CEO to take sixteen trillion gazillion dollars a year in salary, bonuses, and stock options when his company is laying off workers (he should instead take a more modest income for himself and use the sixteen trillion in phony and completely unmerited “CEO bonuses” to keep all workers on the payroll until times are better — as is standard practice in Japan), it’s wrong to despoil the environment and pave over the entire country into one giant asphalt parking lot just to put a few more gold coins into your own filthy greedy crony-capitalist pocket, and so on. The good “left” is stuff like that. In fact, to see what’s the good “left” just ask a class of white third-graders whether something is right or wrong. What they will say is right is the good “left.” Don’t ask university professors — they’re way too messed up in the brain to know. There’s also a bad “left.” This is stuff like teaching Negro children it’s “racist” to insist there are right and wrong answers in arithmetic; teaching girls they can be good firemen, infantry soldiers, and high-performance jet fighter pilots when they can’t; telling girls they don’t need husbands to have and raise kids because white men are bad, there are plenty of 1) white butch-lesbians and 2) degenerate, drug-addicted, and crime-prone Negro men on welfare abundantly available to satisfy any “physical” needs of white single mothers, and the government will see to the financial support needed for child-raising; teaching girls it’s ideal to become unwed mothers or divorce their husbands as soon as they can, place their newborns in daycare while they go out to work, and after they have several kids by different “fathers” to shack up with a drug-addicted crime-prone Negro or Mexican boyfriend; taking away income from white couples so they lose the option of having babies, and showering all that confiscated income instead on tens of millions of non-white women brought in for race-replacemenet purposes so they can have all the non-white babies they want, then turning around and telling the white couples that white birth rates are too low so tens of millions of non-whites have to be brought in; saying stuff like “the labor movement in this country is too stale, male, and pale, and that has to change”; stuff like that. That’s the bad “left.” Who always chooses the good “left”? Normal people. Who always chooses the bad “left”? The Jews. So, in a sense, we can look at the bad “left” simply as Jewishness and the good “left” simply as normalness. 4
Posted by apollonian2nd on February 11, 2009, 01:18 PM | # Jews: Simply Psychopaths, Styled By Talmud, Cyclic Bane Of Over-Populated, Hubristic Gentiles Captivated By Mammon, Pelagianism, Hereticalism A “Jew,” by definition, is Talmudist (see RevisionistHistory.org, TruthTellers.org, and Come-and-hear.com for best Talmudic expo)—or related racially. Talmud is ritual murder (also enslavement) of gentiles—humanity. Hence a Talmudist is psychopath by definition, and there is no “good” psychopath, or Talmudist, or Jew, Q.E.D. Norman Finkelstein is famous for his ignorant raving against Nazis, holohoax (see Codoh.com, Ihr.org, and Zundelsite.org for expo/ref.) and Dave Duke (DavidDuke.com), this at same time pretending he’s educated and deserving academic “tenure,” etc.—typical Jew, ignorant and presumptuous. And the only “good” possible type of racially-derived Jew is one who forthrightly denounces and repudiates such Talmudic psychopathology, hence Jews. And why would any human being want to be known as related to such Talmudic psychopaths?—anymore than related to cannibals or child-molesters? For to identify as Jew is to justify Jew, hence Talmudism, hence psychopathology—UNLESS only, such Jew is horribly, tragically ignorant, which works against survivability. Hence again, one sees there is no good Jew, and any “good” person (defined as useful to humanity) would never want to be known as Jew. And such rational prejudice against Jew (anti-semitism) is why Jews have always been so cordially hated by gentiles—ever since the dawn of civilization—it’s why Jews are and were portrayed in Frankfurt German Ghetto sign (long ago), placed by the German burgomeisters, as eating the excrement of a pig, for example. Thus such anti-semitism is demonstrated for its eminent reason and virtue, a reminder for us to this day. But through the long CYCLE of history (see Spengler’s “Decline of the West”), the anti-semitic lessons of yore, so horrifically learned with such pain and tragedy, were lost, the Christian Church subverted by Jew COUNTERFEIT conspiracy (see RealityZone.com for expo/ref. on fractional-reserve money and banking and US Federal Reserve Bank [Fed] fraud) and the gradual accruing of Western HUBRIS, guided so carefully by Judaic monsters in most sublime psychopathology. Now the poor, over-populated, and hubristic people must learn all over again for yet another cyclic round of gross human tragedy, reduction of excess over-population by means of Jew parasite disease-of-opportunity. CONCLUSION: Note anti-semitic tide can yet be turned by means of pointed invoking of Western culture, objectivity, and proper appreciation of Christian New Testament (NT) literature, esp. Gosp. JOHN, which exposes Jew subjectivity, basis of their typical psychopathic lying, and Pharisaism-moralism, the vehicle of such subjectivism and hubris, obtained then in practice by means of Pelagian heresy (“good-evil” fallacy/delusion), CYCLIC bane of West, civilization in general, and “prosperity.” Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian 5
Posted by Guessedworker on February 11, 2009, 01:59 PM | # apollonian, please post elsewhere. You are increasing the understanding of nobody. You are a burden on us. You do not respect private property, which this is. You are not welcome. Go, please. 6
Posted by Guessedworker on February 11, 2009, 02:58 PM | # Robert, This l’il guy guy does apear to be a censorious fellow. I visited his site quite early this morning to post a link to your challenge on his Problems and Solutions thread. It has not appeared. If you are going to be the big guy passing off guy-opinions to the little guys, you really have to be prepared for much bigger guys to come along and swat you from time to time. It’s about constitution. Guy doesn’t appear to have the constitution. 7
Posted by Guy White on February 11, 2009, 03:43 PM | # I will be glad to debate you. We have some areas of agreement here, but we can debate our disagreements. I would like to set 2 rules first: 1) There will be no personal attacks. 2) If one of us makes a good point, the other one will acknowledge it and will remain open to changing his mind. People misuse the word “debate” and confuse it with a “pissing match”, for lack of a better term. If we will just yell at each other by repeating our own conclusions 50 times over and over again (until we hate each other and leave in disgust), while refusing to listen to the other, then I have no interest in such a “debate”. But if you want to have an honest debate, where we will agree to keep our minds open to possibly changing our minds, then I will publish a carefully thought-out, researched answer to your post. 8
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 03:48 PM | # Ian Jobling, who “Guywhite” in that log entry says would be the best individual to lead opposition to race-replacement, has a new piece up in which he explores the best strategy for doing exactly that (opposing race-replacement): http://whiteamerica.us/index.php/articles/articles/building_our_movement_theory/ 9
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 03:52 PM | # (Incidentally, I never think of myself as, or call myself, a “white nationalist.” I oppose looking at ourselves as that. I see us as normal apolitical folk who need no special name any more than someone who opposes, say, murder needs a special name. It’s not normal not to oppose murder. It’s not normal not to oppose forced race-replacement.) 10
Posted by Guy White on February 11, 2009, 04:55 PM | # “Ian Jobling, who “Guywhite” in that log entry says would be the best individual to lead opposition to race-replacement” Actually, I said it would be Joel Lefebvre who would probably be my choice, and Jobling would be my choice as the movement’s intellectual who’d run a conservative magazine similar to what the National Review used to be. 11
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 05:01 PM | # By the way, if anyone replies over at Ian’s to Ian’s piece on “the theory of building a movement” which I linked above, don’t put anything unflattering to Jews in it, or he’ll refuse to post it (comments over there have to pass the anti-anti-Semitic filter). Either that, or post it over here: it does happen to be an extremely important topic obviously, and any discussion of it is bound to be interesting. Discussion over here would be freer and therefore better than over there where, because of the strict anti-anti-Semitic filter, discussions come across as stilted and sort of unnatural — “staged” almost, “scripted,” like something that’s under government control in one of these European countries that are under “anti-hate-speech” lockdown. 12
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 05:10 PM | # Sorry, Guy — you’re right; I should have checked to get the exact wording right. You did enthusiastically endorse both individuals as leaders though. I remember Joel Lefebvre from when he used to comment quite a bit at Lawrence Auster’s View From the Right ( www.amnation.com/vfr ), around five years ago. He was always outstanding as a thread commenter. As for Ian Jobling, he comes in for a fair amount of criticism over here in regard to his strict exclusion of all commentary implicating Jews as a group as major culprits in the worst of what’s going on, BUT everyone here certainly recognizes him as a comrade in arms and a very valuable and strong ally. No one here forgets for one second that he and we are fighting for the same thing. 13
Posted by Armor on February 11, 2009, 05:16 PM | #
What do you think of: anti-judeocritical filter. Does it feel more stilted or less stilted? 14
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 05:31 PM | # I think Armor is saying it’s wrong to use the term “anti-anti-Semitic filter” because that gives the impression the user accepts that the commentary that gets filtered out was necessarily “anti-Semitic” (whatever that means — no one knows, because the Jews use it completely arbitrarily). Armor is right. “Anti-judeocritical” is better. Jobing has a very strict anti-Judeocritical filter in place. 15
Posted by Armor on February 11, 2009, 05:31 PM | #
In a country like France, where the debate is under “anti-hate-speech” lockdown, what would you say to a judge who asks why you had to publish a commentary implicating Jews as a group as major culprits in the worst of what’s going on? 16
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 11, 2009, 05:31 PM | #
It appears lying is also a prerequisite for advancing a pro-white movement. Sam Francis wrote of the origin of racism, placing it at the feet of Magnus Hirschfeld (1868-1935) a German-Jewish medical scientist.
In other words racism was intended to assist the artificial construct of “whiteness”. Hirschfeld, like Jobling was pro-white. So the “liberal” values like “tolerance, egalitarianism, and individualism” got there start in a pro-white movement. 17
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 05:48 PM | #
Normally I would say it’s true, and rely on truth being an absolute defense, but these days our overlords are saying “truth is no defense,” as has been said to defendants by judges at the Jewish-created-and-supported Canadian Human Rights Commission. So, I imagine the only recourse would be to plead that it’s not “hate.” Pleading “freedom of speech” of course went out the window as a possibility with the advent of Jewish hegemony itself, since Jews don’t believe in freedom of speech, only Euros of all the races in the entire world believe in that. (Which is one of the reasons it was far better living under the old WASP hegemony than under the post-‘60s Jewish hegemony in this country: freedom of speech was done away with by the new Jewish overlords.) 18
Posted by WNs MUST Seize This Moment in History on February 11, 2009, 06:34 PM | # The failure of the White nationalist movement to act now in terms of recruitment and spreading the message more widely will likely forever doom the White race to a terrible future. With the massive rise of economic anxiety and the accompanying socio-political instability (not to mention the flooding of White-majority countries with non-Whites) the time to act is NOW. White men in America and elsewhere are majorly demoralized and looking for a new movement to step up to the plate and help them with their collective interests…will you do so? There are a growing number of White men (and likely White women, too) who would be supportive of a more moderate White nationalist movement if a bit of the extremism was toned down. Yes the Jewish Question is obviously critical but leave that issue and other extremely ‘controversial’ issues behind closed doors for a little while until you can build a viable movement. - “The]http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli23.html]“The Growing Army of Angry Men Whose Lives Have Been Destroyed by the Federal Government”[/url] - you will notice this group of White men rising MASSIVELY in the coming months and years…unemployed or underemployed, angry at the economic and political situation and the cultural decay they notice going on all around them, sick and tired of being replaced by non-Whites in their once White country. The Republicans have failed these people, and it’s time for a White nationalist BNP-like political party to step up and fill the void because, as I wrote before, this group of people is already swelling massively and will continue to grow for at least the next few years. Seize this moment White nationalists - if you do not your cause and the White race may be lost forever. 19
Posted by WNs MUST Seize This Moment in History on February 11, 2009, 06:36 PM | # Reinserting badly inserted link - http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli23.html 20
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 11, 2009, 06:36 PM | # It’s astounding really.
Almost word for word. How do you combat the entrenched notion, obviously widely held by the Canadian public, that these are vulnerable minorities that need protecting? 21
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 06:53 PM | # It doesn’t look as if that’s an “entrenched notion,” Desmond; rather, it appears to be a notion mindlessly recited by political hacks of Harper’s stripe for the simple reason the Jews have them on a financial leash around their necks via their wallets. This stuff is not welling up from below as a public demand that “vulnerable minorities be given more protection,” but gets forever imposed from the top down in total disregard for what the broad public wants or is even interested in. 22
Posted by Guessedworker on February 11, 2009, 07:22 PM | # Let’s cut to the chase with guy. Take your pick:- Option 1: Hart, Auster, Jobling and assorted Jews and Jewish extended phenotypes will mysteriously acquire funding and hence momentum, and do to WN what the neocons did to the GOP. Why? Because Jews just have to channel the goyim’s every little twitch towards a Chosen end. Option 2: WN will continue on its mission to fail by trying to build solely on Leroy’s prison record and small brain casing, and naming the Jew, in the fond but mistaken expectation that:- (a) White America will look up from its Play Station and listen, Option 3: Someone will finally look at Europe and suss out that nationalist politics require nationalist ideas. Not saying it will work in America, which isn’t a nation in the same sense of the countries of the old continent. But it won’t work any other way either. So ... which is the live one? 23
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 07:34 PM | # Incidentally, regarding Desmond’s last post: for any who don’t know, Bernie Farber of the CJC (the Canadian Jewish Congress) is Canada’s version of Abe Foxman, playing essentially the same role up there as Foxman plays down here. 24
Posted by Armor on February 11, 2009, 07:39 PM | # “Normally I would say it’s true, and rely on truth being an absolute defense” The problem is that Jews like to play hide and seek, like “Guywhite”. For example, the New York Times avoids presenting their pro-immigration point of view as a Jewish point of view. But we know it is a mostly Jewish newspaper, and that’s probably the main reason why it supports white-race-replacement, although maybe not all its readers realize that. The truth is that Jews and non-Jews are two different groups. Likewise, it makes no sense to report racial riots occurring in France as if they were “youth riots”, as if it didn’t matter that the rioters are immigrants. 25
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 07:46 PM | # Among GW’s choices I choose option 3 for Europe. For America, dunno what will work in the end — it’s unpredictable, but the only thing that will prevent something from working, whatever that something turns out to be, is whites losing heart and throwing in the towel. There’s no reason EVER to lose heart, throw in the towel, or compromise. If we’re in this for the long haul, so be it. But we’re in it to the end and we will never compromise or accept what the other side hopes will amount to an irreversible fait accompli laid before us. We see no fait accompli; rather, our view is anything that can be done can be undone. And we intend to undo it. Not undo it 90%, not undo it 99%, undo it in its entirety: completely. We will never compromise one iota on this. We’re on the road to getting back what the other side has stolen from us, and no matter how long it takes, we shall prevail. 26
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 07:57 PM | #
May I ask where you post from, comrade? France or the States? (If you’d rather not say, that’s perfectly fine — I don’t want you to in any way jeopardize yourself! We know France is in total lockdown.) 27
Posted by Armor on February 11, 2009, 08:25 PM | # I’m posting from French-controlled territory. In France, it will become more and more difficult to criticize anyone in the future, as the authorities would like to avoid the appearance of double standards. It will remain all right to criticize the West collectively (it amounts to criticism of the Whites without saying so). 28
Posted by Colin Laney on February 11, 2009, 08:49 PM | # Option 1: Hart, Auster, Jobling and assorted Jews and Jewish extended phenotypes will mysteriously acquire funding and hence momentum, and do to WN what the neocons did to the GOP. Why? Because Jews just have to channel the goyim’s every little twitch towards a Chosen end. Option 2: WN will continue on its mission to fail by trying to build solely on Leroy’s prison record and small brain casing, and naming the Jew, in the fond but mistaken expectation that: There’s a contradiction here, GW. How can Jews (Hart and Auster) and their extended phenotype (Jobling et. al.) be prevented from taking the reigns of the WN movement, here or abroad, if the full extent of Jewish untrustworthiness is not widely disseminated, understood, and internalized? And how will dissemination, understanding, and internalization be accomplished without research, repetition, and emotionalization? Nationalist political theorizing without removing the profound and nearly omnipresent surveillance and derailment efforts of Jews, is a vision from cloud-cuckoo-land. Their ongoing and very effective attempts to destroy the basis for national existence or even sentiment make your preferred option seem like you’re saying to hurry up and treat the seizures and to shut the fuck up already about that brain tumor causing them. It’s just not going to fly. Any action -any action at all - in the direction of the restoration of European Man and his Homeland goes through the Jewish Problem. If you don’t get a sufficient number of persons on your side of the line regarding this, then Jewish depredations - economic and cultural - will continue, and no mechanism for resisting or even identifying them will arise among the people. Which, in essence, is saying that you would be better off going out to fly a kite than to start your program of nationalist poliitical theory without first tackling the Jewish Problem. You may prefer a higher tone than Alex Linder - and I applaud you for that - but ultimately, we’re all in the same boat: “No way out but through the Jews.” When your ‘nationalist’ group comes to meet, and three Jews arrive at the meeting place, saying that they too are English and must be admitted to your organization, what will you do? On what legal or philosophical basis can you refuse them? They’ve lived there for four hundred years, their fathers are all Lord So-and-so’s, their ancestors fought in this war or that war, how are they not English? If you refuse them, they have recourse to a nation-wide, and in some cases international, system of co-ordinated media alarm. For example, just yesterday, here in far-away Texas, I was made aware that one of your Foreign Office persons had muttered some unkind words towards the People of the Lie in a excercise facility, and that he would now be facing seven years in prison. I see you as a Mosley character. He was an English (and European) nationalist who studiously avoided the Jewish Question and was destroyed for his efforts. He never understood, until it was too late, how infested the whole national power structure was, and how his message of national economics and a sane foreign policy that served British and not Jewish interests simply could recieve no hearing at all without addressing ‘that question again’ head on. His attempts were too little, too late. I understand there are still plaques in England to mark where rioting Jews turned back the BUF in their street marches. Given the historical record of your co-nationalists v. the international race, I would strongly advise that you begin where they are weakest: on the subject of their existence, their essential malevolence, their extraordinary cohesion, and their international reach and control of media and capital. Unless you do that, no ‘nationalist’ movement is going anywhere. The Chosen will decide, as they have for the past century, your nation’s economic, educational, cultural and foreign policies, none of which will be in the interest of your people. Auster-ites will direct resistance efforts to these policies, guaranteeing maximum impotence of such efforts. Now might be a good time to review Belloc and Ludovici - not to mention the wartime broadcasts by Pound - regarding the thoroughgoing Jewish penetration and control of almost all the major levers of power in what was once your country. What did not already obtain at the time those authors analyzed British politics was accomplished during Thatcher’s reign and the rise of the ‘New Class’. The game is, for almost all practical purposes, over. Refusing to see that further dims any chance of restoration. You’ll notice that it’s becoming harder and harder to speak in your native land, and Griffin, ‘the heretical two’, and this poor bastard from the Foreign Office have been made the exemplary recipients of what is an attempt to strangle the Resistance you’d like to see spring up in its cradle. Who set up the Group Libel laws, GW? And will you be rid of those architects of your decline more quickly if you Salterize the population, or if you make them aware of who has stripped them of their freedoms and why? The same group handled the destruction of free speech in Canada and is working overtime in the United States to make ‘hate speech’ a legal reality. Of your three (somewhat loaded) options, I say that you cannot dismantle the Jobling-Auster contingent without recourse to the unpleasant strategy of “naming the Jew” and that likewise, without at least some recognition of the incredible international power Jews now have over media and finance - and thus our ability to affect discourse, or event to avoid jail - your fond plans of producing the ‘Das Kapital’ of ethnonationalism would be about as effective in our common cause as stamp collecting. Possibly less so, since philately might conceivably bring in some small amount of cash someday, whereas the Unified Field Theory of European Preservation - if it ever comes - will be distributed for free on the internet, assuming of course that there is an uncensored net by the time your project reaches completion, which there probably won’t be. 29
Posted by Guy White on February 11, 2009, 09:09 PM | # “There’s a contradiction here, GW.” Why are you pretending that I wrote that? 30
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 09:26 PM | # @ Guy: “GW” in Colin Laney’s post referred not to you but to GuessedWorker. 31
Posted by Rollory on February 11, 2009, 09:45 PM | # “On what legal or philosophical basis can you refuse them? “ I was thinking about this a month or two back in an entirely different context. The principle to defend here is that any group must inherently have the right to define itself as excluding anybody it chooses. Period. (Really, this is just freedom of association - a right no longer operative in the USA, or anywhere in the West actually) If there are English who wish to define themselves as English-without-Jews, they may, and they may form their society. If there are other English who wish to define themselves as English-and-Jews-who’ve-lived-here-a-while, they may, and they may form their society. If there are Americans who wish to define themselves as Christian-Americans-with-no-atheists, they may. Etc. But nobody has the moral right to go to a group that has excluded them and attempt to force acceptance. Of course you probably end up with too many groups and too little territory. So you have yourself a few wars. But the principle is defensible. 32
Posted by Armor on February 11, 2009, 10:02 PM | #
I like to try to define the political difference between the right and the left. It used to define the disposition of the political groups on the seats of the French parliament. As a symbol of their dictatorship, the french revolutionaries came up with the motto: “liberty, equality, fraternity, or death”. Liberty and equality are opposing principles. We could define liberty as right-wing and equality as left-wing. Very often, the poor will support egalitarianism, not because they are generous, but because redistribution favors them. So, we can say that the left champions the poor, while the right champions the wealthy. The right is conservative, and would like to keep its fortune. The left likes change and would like to redistribute everything. It’s a matter of self-interest, although self-interest is not our only concern when we cast a vote. Some of us also care about the common good, justice, protecting nature, and so on. If a preference for liberty or for equality can distinguish the right from the left, then I think we can say that the right is more masculine, and the left is more feminine, and we can try to classify people as being more or less right-wing or left-wing, according to their mindset. But that kind of analysis makes little sense with respect to today’s main political parties. Today’s “left-wing” political parties do not protect the poor. Instead, they replace them with third-world immigrants, and they try to destroy the economy to boot. —
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 10:56 PM | #
Haven’t I read where Nesta Webster said they were involved? That they were heavily involved in the “Revolution of 1848” we know from Benjamin Disraeli himself; there are voices from the Revolution of 1830 who say they were significantly involved there as well. 34
Posted by Svigor on February 12, 2009, 12:04 AM | #
Excellent criteria. I’ve been thinking about 2 a lot lately. I think this is a GREAT opener in any debate, with anyone. In fact, I think it’s a great thing to “hang a hat on” as it were. Make a big deal out of it before you start. Write a paragraph, and really drive home that YOU are open to persuasion, and want to discuss only with people who make a point of making the same commitment. Sure, people can gloss over it, and act the deafmute, but at least you have it out there. It’s one thing to go tearing into the subject, but it’s another to throw the glove down like this and basically accuse people of narrowmindedness if they don’t at least discuss things civilly and logically. It’s one thing to believe in leftist nonsense, but defending it is another thing altogether. Make them do more than believe. Make them defend themselves. 35
Posted by Svigor on February 12, 2009, 12:13 AM | #
So Jewish (white according to Jobling) ethnocentrism is countered by anti-racism? Jewish ethnocentrism is demonized alongside “other” “white” ethnocentrisms? NO, Ian. Jewish ethnocentrism is quite immune to all of these things. This is not just a de facto double-standard, it’s a real double-standard. Jewish ethnocentrism gets a pass from academia, politicians, and press. A full, gold pass. So Jews get to have their cake and eat it too. Brilliant, they sound very motivated to help us out. We should hold our breath and wait. 36
Posted by Opposing Jewry is Idealistic on February 12, 2009, 03:28 AM | #
Because the internet is largely out the realm of the Jew-controlled mass-media it is helping to expose the full extent of Jewish hegemony, control, and criminality like nothing ever before it has. As the internet continues to expand more and more people around the world will use this excellent tool of free speech and free research to learn about the negative effects which Jewish power and control has upon their society or the world as a whole. There are strong worries and concerns which currently pervade the Jewish community about the internet being used to expose their negative activities in the USA and other countries, and thus Jewry is at the forefront of trying to ‘manage’ (i.e., censor) the internet in order to remove what they perceive as ‘objectionable content’ - it just so happens that the vast majority of the ‘objectionable content’ they want to completely censor from the internet involves discussions and information about Jewish influence and the largely negative effect it is having. Nearly 100% of Jews HATE that the internet is being used to discuss them and their largely negative influence, and they seek to stamp out any and all unfavorable discussions regarding their influence in America and elsewhere precisely because they are not able to control/censor such discussions. Thus JEWS STAND AT THE FOREFRONT OF THE MOVEMENT TO CENSOR OR OTHERWISE ‘MANAGE’ THE INTERNET - Jews already control Google (and thus YouTube, Google Video, BlogSpot, etc) and as a result are able to block or disable websites or information which they deem to be objectionable…Jew-controlled Google continues to daily block, bury, or delete website search results, videos, and blogs which expose or discuss Jewish influence, power, and control. The pathetic reality is that Jews, being largely left-wingish, generally support all kinds of free speech unless it involves non-Jews speaking freely about Jews and their largely negative influence. This shows them to be hideous hypocrites because Jews are one of the groups most in need of public discussion and public scrutiny due to their disproportionate control of key American sectors such as the media, finance, academia, law, and so on. The next anti-Jewish ‘revolution’ will indeed come just as it always has so many times in the past in so many different countries and regions; various movements and ‘revolutions’ have organically arisen time after time in country after country throughout history as a natural and very healthy ‘immune system’ reaction to overwhelming Jewish control and power, and such a movement will be coming to America soon considering Jews have very negatively affected so many aspects of America in the past 50+ years (and many other countries for considerably longer than that). I predict that within the next 10-20 years or so (or perhaps even sooner) a definite movement which is aware of and publically critiques Jewish control and hegemony will be in the works in the USA. It will be spread using the internet due to the fact that Jews control America’s mass-media and thus will not allow free discussion of Jewish issues within their owned media. This is why people will continue to turn to the internet for a non-biased source of news and information regarding the Jewish Question. 37
Posted by Example of Jewish Hypocrisy on February 12, 2009, 04:08 AM | # Gosh, the Jew over at the Latte Island blog is such a nice person who respects human rights:
Methinks that there will be similar murderous calls from Jews when they start to see White ‘gangs’ eventually forming to protect their ethnic-genetic interests - just like the White ‘gangs’ in Ukraine who were wiped out by the USSR during the early 30s for opposing Stalin’s Jewish ‘gang.’ 38
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 12, 2009, 08:55 AM | # Excellent comment by Svigor at 4:13 AM. Israel, a Jewish National Socialist Apartheid state, gets a pass from most who hysterically reject any possibility of any Euro National Socialist Apartheid state. What’s happening of course is a chasm has opened up between those on the “left” (including not a few Jewish homozygotes — Jews homozygous for the Jewish nation-destroying gene [closely related to the house-destroying gene in termites] who therefore devote their lives to destroying all nations including Israel, and not limiting themselves to destroying just goy nations as the Jewish heterozygotes devote their entire lives to destroying, sparing Israel) — a chasm has opened up between those on the “left” who reject Jewish Nazism, refusing to accept the double standard (namely, “Jewish Nazis fine; German Nazis not allowed”) and those on the “left” like Bull Foxman, Bernie Farber, all Jewish neocons, and tons of others of course — just about all Jews — who warmly embrace the double standard. I’ve always supported Israel — have always been a Zionist, in other words, a Likud supporter. I still am, BUT — a couple of years ago Al Ross said something about me that I’ve been thinking over ever since: he said I didn’t see the essential fundamental connection between the Zionist project and the whole Israel undertaking on the one hand, and on the other the entire diaspora-Jewish project of wiping every single Euro-race nation off the face of the Earth permanently by destroying its society from within and genociding its population through turning it racially from white into mystery meat. He said I didn’t see that on the most basic level they were one and the same. It’s true I’ve always separated them in my mind, so have felt nothing but warm support for Israel and Zionism and, for the past few years since I realized the role it’s played, bitter resentment toward diaspora Jewry. As a result of mulling it over ever since Al said that, I think I’m starting to see a way in which lumping them together may be valid, and therefore a possibility that counterattacking our diaspora-Jewish tormentors through their devotion to Israel and Zionism (they’re almost all Zionists, though this wouldn’t work in the case of a Jewish homozygote like Norman Finkelstein of Karin Friedemann) may be legitimate. I’m not there yet though: it’s been very hard for me to disentangle these threads and still is. 39
Posted by Armor on February 12, 2009, 10:42 AM | # It is never a problem to collectively blame the West (that is to say the Whites (that is to say non-Jews)). It is never a problem to blame collectively the Irish, the Russians, or any other European people. But we are not supposed to blame “the Jews” collectively, because we are told that not all Jews are like that, as if all the Irish were “like that” when we blame them. A solution is to blame Jewish supremacists and double-standardists. But in France, I think accusing Jews of supremacism may land you in jail too. On the other hand, zionism is supposed to be a political opinion, so it is more open to criticism. That is why some people will complain about zionism, even though there are very much in favor of Jews leaving for Palestine. Another reason why we could blame the zionists is that they are probably more aggressive and more aware of their Jewishness than other Jews. They will talk a lot about Palestine, but they won’t move there themselves, and in the end they won’t send a single Jew permanently to Palestine. In the past, some of them have moved to Palestine, but not any more. They are more comfortable in the West. In fact, I suspect some Israelis are moving to Europe and the USA. Still, some Jews will momentarily leave the West for Israel, where they can work as a border guard in the Israeli army for example. Then, they will move back to the West and work in some organization that helps illegals settle in. A number of them have double citizenship. In France, Arno Klarsfeld is the most famous example of that. According to wikipedia: He has French and Israeli citizenship, but also worked in the USA as a lawyer. He asked to be a border-guard in Israel in 2002. Since then, Sarkozy has asked him to help the government with the naturalization process of illegal immigrants. 40
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 12, 2009, 11:38 AM | # Israel was supposed to solve the Jewish Problem (the Jewish Problem is the neverending efforts by diaspora Jewry to destroy their Euro host nations and races). It hasn’t remotely made so much as a dent in it: the Jewish Problem is with us as bad as ever. It’s like tax reform: advocates of a national sales tax to replace the income tax were careful to point out that repeal of the income tax amendment to the Constitution had to precede or be simultaneous with any switch to a national sales tax, otherwise — politics being what it is — we’d end up saddled with both together, the worst possible outcome, far worse than if we’d just left the income tax in place. Israel is analagous to that in obvious ways: the flat tax and Israel were proposed, each in order to solve a particular problem, the IRS in one case and the Jewish Problem in the other. What we were warned would happen in the tax example if we weren’t careful has happened in the Israel example: we now have no problem solved, only twice as many problems as we had before: the worst possible outcome. If that had happened in the tax case — we were left saddled with both a national sales tax and the IRS-income tax — it wouldn’t be too late to rectify: the IRS would have to be eliminated afterward, that’s all. Well, we’ve been saddled with the exact analogue of that in the Israel case: we have both now, but it’s not too late to rectify the situation, and here’s what would be a legitimate approach: no one should support Israel until we receive cooperation from diaspora Jewry in halting AND REVERSING race-replacement. I wouldn’t have proposed that a year ago, viewing, as I did, Israel and the diaspora Jewry as fundamentally separate. But they’re not fundamentally separate, so it’s legitimate to use the one to extract concessions from the other. 41
Posted by Sacharite on February 12, 2009, 01:12 PM | # As Jews saw it, Israel was never intended to solve the Jewish Problem (see the writings of Moses Hess, the ideological father of Zionism.) Zionist Jews in diaspora, such as the Rothschilds understood this all along. They never meant to clear out of European countries. 42
Posted by cold equation on February 12, 2009, 04:13 PM | #
The last paragraph is supposed to be evidence for the first? What does a soft attitude towards a bunch of towelheads have to do with attitudes towards whites? If you truly believed in ethnic genetic interests, you’d side with the Jews over the Palestinians because they’re slightly less distantly related. In my experience, the Jews who oppose the persecution of Palestinians are the ultra-liberal ones who are also the biggest anti-racists here in the US. Think Noel Ignatiev. And is it necessary to be a holocaust denier to not be anti-white? Most whites, even most race realists, would fail that test. 43
Posted by Svigor on February 12, 2009, 06:38 PM | # The last paragraph is supposed to be evidence for the first? What does a soft attitude towards a bunch of towelheads have to do with attitudes towards whites? If you truly believed in ethnic genetic interests, you’d side with the Jews over the Palestinians because they’re slightly less distantly related. In my experience, the Jews who oppose the persecution of Palestinians are the ultra-liberal ones who are also the biggest anti-racists here in the US. Think Noel Ignatiev. And is it necessary to be a holocaust denier to not be anti-white? Most whites, even most race realists, would fail that test. The test for “truly” believing in EGI doesn’t simply line up with whatever you think is the best way to pursue EGI. Humans are flexible strategizers and EGI is more like a destination on a map than a single route to the same destination. It isn’t a simple hierarchy of relatedness, where we can pull out a slide rule to calculate who to support. My cousin is going to go the way of the dodo if he’s trying to kill me, even if that means siding with a black. 44
Posted by Svigor on February 12, 2009, 06:42 PM | # What moves people to make such facile arguments? Passionate attachment? I’m passionately attached to my cause, and I like to think I don’t make these absurd kinds of arguments, where it’s obvious I haven’t given a moment to thinking it through. 45
Posted by WNs MUST Seize This Moment in History on February 12, 2009, 06:55 PM | # In case you haven’t noticed, the times are becoming more ripe by the hour for a broader dissemination of pro-White ideas in America, the UK, and elsewhere. Economic and socio-political unrest/dissatisfaction is increasing by the day in America and in other White/Western nations, and it will only get worse over the next few years until it reaches a fever pitch. White people everywhere are looking for change and a new sense of direction, and you must not keep allowing the White-hating Jew-led globalist Neo-Communists to continue seizing this moment in America by gaining support and doing all they can to stamp out White resistance to their plans of absolute control and centralization. Thus, pro-White patriots from all countries must step up to fill this vacuum or the Jew-led globalist, White-hating Neo-Communists in America and elsewhere will continue to do so. Seize this moment in history White nationalists or else be prepared to witness the continued decline of Whites worldwide - this is perhaps your last, best chance to save Whites. Start acting NOW to grow the movement - however, I recommend that you shove much of the fanaticism to the side for as long as is deemed necessary. Given the PCness and general political squeamishness which is evident in so many modern Whites because of Jewish control and indoctrination since WWII, a more moderate tone is needed to initially grow the movement. Only after pro-White ideas gain larger support and/or the situation deteriorates even further can a sense of fanatical urgency emerge. Act now or the pro-White cause will likely be lost forever as the White Western world is further strangled under the iron heel of the Jew-led White-haters and globalist Neo-Communists. 46
Posted by pryderi on February 12, 2009, 08:30 PM | # Sorry to digress, but does anyone know what’s happened to the Civic Platform? 47
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 12, 2009, 08:45 PM | # Some of us are wondering the same thing, pryderi. 48
Posted by cold equation on February 12, 2009, 09:06 PM | # Svigor, I guess you’re saying that Jews are our ethnic cousins who are trying to kill us? And, if I may infer a motivation about the uncharacteristic sympathy for brown people shown by the white nationalists at this website, the enemy of my enemy is my friend? At least that has some sort of internal consistency. And, given a choice of outcomes, you can pull out a slide rule and calculate which one best serves your egi. Just count gene frequencies. Yes, you have to look at the big picture, the whole outcome - obviously, if you think Israel’s trying to kill you, you would side with the Pals. On the other hand, where are the Israelis going to go if the Pals win? Where will they be in a better position to harm your people: New York or Tel Aviv? 49
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 12, 2009, 09:13 PM | # Guy White never responded to GW’s opening gambit. 50
Posted by Guy White on February 13, 2009, 12:50 AM | # I am not sure what his opener even was. It was too much rambling. I don’t think we should start with 3 limited options. I may have different ideas. Additionally, I don’t think we should get smack into the middle of the debate before we’ve established certain things, such as cause and effect (e.g., is one group more successful than another because of a higher IQ or a higher desire for racist domination or both?). In any event, I don’t think he ever agreed to my 2 conditions. Instead, I saw a personal attack against me (“This l’il guy guy”) by GuessedWorker as well as Armor before I had a chance to open my mouth. So I think I’ll pass on a chance to “debate” here. I officially concede that you all are obviously more intelligent than I am, that I am a little guy and a traitor and a provocateur and a Jew and a liar and a moron and whatever else you would like to call me. I shall leave with my head held low in the knowledge that I could not “debate” you. Good luck! 51
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 13, 2009, 01:28 AM | # You’re imagining things, Guy. Armor never said a word about you. He was talking about Ian Jobling’s blog. As for Guessedworker, he teased you harmlessly before you showed up here (after surmising you weren’t going to post his comment at your blog). 52
Posted by Captainchaos on February 13, 2009, 01:37 AM | # Guy White: “I am not sure what his opener even was. It was too much rambling.” Then read it again…carefully. Diligence is often rewarded. “I don’t think we should start with 3 limited options.” Then consider it a spectrum of possibilities, if that helps. Some, in Guessedworker’s opinion, being more likely to bring about our desired ends than not. Or, offer less “limited options”, please. “I may have different ideas.” Good, perhaps you can enlighten us. “Additionally, I don’t think we should get smack into the middle of the debate before we’ve established certain things, such as cause and effect (e.g., is one group more successful than another because of a higher IQ or a higher desire for racist domination or both?).” What do you posit as a first cause? “In any event, I don’t think he ever agreed to my 2 conditions. Instead, I saw a personal attack against me (“This l’il guy guy”) by GuessedWorker as well as Armor before I had a chance to open my mouth.” Guessedworker made his very harmless little jab before, as you concede yourself, you had set the conditions under which you would debate. I.e., He was not aware of your conditions at that time. “So I think I’ll pass on a chance to “debate” here.” See above. Also, there is more than one interlocutor here, one of whom is the author of the main post (i.e., not Guessedworker or Armor); I’m sure he would like the opportunity to debate. “I officially concede that you all are obviously more intelligent than I am, that I am a little guy and a traitor and a provocateur and a Jew and a liar and a moron and whatever else you would like to call me.” That is a bit melodramatic. Why do you think a meaningful percentage of the readers and commenters at this site think that about you? I doubt that self-description to be accurate. “I shall leave with my head held low in the knowledge that I could not “debate” you.” You still can debate. Take a chance. 53
Posted by Armor on February 13, 2009, 01:59 AM | # @ Guy White 54
Posted by Guy White on February 13, 2009, 02:02 AM | # Fred: You’re imagining things, Guy. Armor never said a word about you. Armor: The problem is that Jews like to play hide and seek, like “Guywhite”. Guy White: Not that there’s anything wrong with being a Jew, but I doubt it’s used as a compliment here. Again, I think it’s important for both parties to confirm and actually state things affirmatively that we will neither attack each other nor keep a closed mind (e.g., repeating the same conclusion a few times, then leaving in disgust). The place to start would be: 1. Is it in our interest to not just criticize the Jewish Left, but Jews as a whole, and to take it to the point of Holocaust denial/revisionism and justification for any future genocide (I read in ANOTHER place: “if there was a solution to the Jewish problem, then there must’ve been a problem”, followed by a list of Jewish wrongs and a conclusion that sounded an awful lot like justification for a future genocide.) 2. Is IQ or ethnocentricism responsible for Jewish success and domination of many intellectual fields? How is it different from White-Black gaps in education, finance, etc.? What happens to other groups that outscore the majority by a similar margin on IQ tests? (Amren had an article on that last year.) 3. Are Jews white? Brown? Mixed? 4. Is it in our interest to support Israel? If yes, why? Because it fights Moslems? Or because we don’t want Jews coming here? Or because supporting the morally superior Israel the morally right thing to do? If no, is it because we need Moslem oil? Because we don’t want to send aid to Israel? Because it is immoral to help the immoral Israel? Another question I would like to discuss has nothing (or very little) to do with the Jews: Is the goal of White Nationalism purely to promote whites with complete disregard for meritocracy? Should we argue for a white-dominated NBA? Should we get rid of East Asians in Stanford, as well as Hindu and Moslem small business owners? I mean, how far do we want to take this? 55
Posted by ATBOTL on February 13, 2009, 02:39 AM | # 1)Jews as a whole are attacking us. We should question everything they believe just like they question everything we believe. 2)Both. It doesn’t really matter. There shouldn’t any other groups than the majority in white societies. 3)Jews are non-European Caucasians, like Arabs, Persians, Berbers etc. If “white” people are people of European ancestry, then no, Jews are not white. 4)The only reason to support Israel would be the second reason. 5)Yes. We want all or almost all non-whites out of our societies. It hurts white people for blacks to dominate professional sports, Asians to dominate elite universities, Hindus to control sectors of the economy etc. We want our society for ourselves alone, just like every other racial/ethnic group does in their home land. Everything in our societies belongs to us and no one else. No Asians or blacks in their own countries would ever think any different. Only white people think it’s okay for outsiders to take over their societies. The most important thing for you to understand is that we need to advocate for our interests. We need to do this in every case, and not worry so much about absolute truths and universal principals. The Jews have an expression: “Is it good for the Jews?” They ask this first, then they craft justifications for what is good for the Jews in whatever social/political/ideological/religious/economic framework they are operating in. For every group other than white people, self interest trumps everything else. The reason we are in the bad situation that we are in now is because we have strayed from this way of thinking about things. If white societies are going to survive this century, we must adopt the Jewish way of thinking about what is good and bad. 56
Posted by the Narrator... on February 13, 2009, 02:50 AM | #
Jews are not White. Be they leftist or right-of-center is of no consequence.
IQ is important for illustrating the inherent difference of the races. Beyond that, our ideal (and goal) is of a White homeland. A nation that is 100% White. The particular strengths and weakness of the other races is unimportant outside of our accomplished goal.
No, it is not in our interest to “support” Israel. And Israel is not fighting Muslims. Jews and Muslims have stood together throughout history to attack The West. Morality is irrelevant to the discussion as morals vary from race to race. What is moral for us is not necessarily so for them.
For a White Nationalist fighting for The West there are two types of people within the general context of the discussion of our survival; White and non-White. What they are specifically composed of is irrelevant.
The goal of White Nationalism is the survival of the White Race. To best achieve that requires the complete and total segregation of ourselves from the non-Whites. To the point that our civilization, The West, is 100% White. Non-Whites make up close to 90% of the worlds population and possess probably around 85% of the earths surface upon which to occupy and do as they please. And since in this ideal there would be absolutely no non-Whites, your NBA- meritocracy type questions are needless. ... 57
Posted by Captainchaos on February 13, 2009, 03:52 AM | # Guy White: “...and to take it to the point of Holocaust denial/revisionism…” It is ultimately in the interest of, Germans specifically, but Whites more broadly, to be cleared of the filthy blood libel that is “the Holocaust”. Because, Jews use “the Holocaust” not just as a justification to continue their international “Holocaust” reparations swindel, not merely to rationalize their brutalization of the Palestinians (“Never again!”), but of most significance to us, to shame and brow beat our people into submission. “...and justification for any future genocide…” If we think “the Holocaust” a filthy blood libel against our people (i.e., that it is a foul slander accusing our people of a monstrous crime) why would we then foul our then cleared good names by doing the deed for real? Or is that just the kind of sneaky “Nazis” we are in your mind? “Is it in our interest to not just criticize the Jewish Left, but Jews as a whole,” They must be criticized as a group. It is their collective impact upon our people that is the bug of this bear. Their compulsion to subversion and domination of our people is genetic; it is racial. “(I read in ANOTHER place: “if there was a solution to the Jewish problem, then there must’ve been a problem”, followed by a list of Jewish wrongs and a conclusion that sounded an awful lot like justification for a future genocide.)” Do you honestly doubt that the intentions of the like of Earl Raab or Lazar Kaganovitch were not genocidal? Why are our supposedly genocidal impulses the first to merit critique and not theirs? Why do you assume that we, the good people of MR, and not some back-alley collection of scum, harbor such impulses? “Is IQ or ethnocentricism responsible for Jewish success and domination of many intellectual fields?” Both. But here is the catch: based upon census data of the number of Jews, calculations based upon a normal distribution of IQ, figures of Jewish representation in prestigious fields; we must conclude that Jews are MASSIVELY over-represented in said fields above which the actual number of Jews with sufficiently high IQs to succeed in those fields would be expected when competing against more numerous Whites with similar or identical IQs. In short: there are many more Whites with IQs north of 130 than Jews, yet Jews are vastly disproportionately represented in prestigious fields; ethnic nepotism is indicated. So…if Jews can engage in ethnic networking, to the exclusion of Whites, why is it not legitimate for Whites to engage in ethnic networking, to the exclusion of Jews? “How is it different from White-Black gaps in education, finance, etc.?” See above. “What happens to other groups that outscore the majority by a similar margin on IQ tests?” That is irrelevant. Asians do not engage in the kind of maniacal subversion and domination of our societies that Jews do. We are not “cognitive elitists” here, we put our co-ethnics first. We are White Nationalists. “Are Jews white? Brown? Mixed?” The core of Jewry is Semitic with slight European admixture; that is what the genetic evidence says. “Is it in our interest to support Israel?” It is not in our interest to support Israel. It is not in your interest to “support” the hornet’s nest festering in your backyard. “Is the goal of White Nationalism purely to promote whites with complete disregard for meritocracy?” To a point. Meritocracy, for the most part, within the confines of the White race. Period. Whites come first. “Should we argue for a white-dominated NBA? Should we get rid of East Asians in Stanford, as well as Hindu and Moslem small business owners?” All post-1965 immigrants must be repatriated. We must reclaim the North American continent for the White race. Blacks could still play in the NBA. “I mean, how far do we want to take this?” America should be once again 90% White; massive repatriation. 58
Posted by Homelander on February 13, 2009, 06:36 AM | # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany The formula for West German reparations were based on back-of-the-envelope calculations of how many SURVIVING Displaced Persons were absorbed by the State of Israel post-WWII. It is simply silly to contend that the Holocaust history was concocted to “beef up” the numbers. The existence of roughly x-number of DP’s isn’t disputable. 59
Posted by Dasein on February 13, 2009, 08:21 AM | # From Guy White’s blog:
And this cleansing is what got the US into the mess it’s in now. So Jews become neo-Whites and anyone who doesn’t accept them as the highest form of Whiteness gets shut out.
Guy White, what do you like about Buckley?
Jobling has problems, but being too intellectual is not one of them. Maybe what you mean is that he looks too nerdy to pull it off. As for his intellect, I think Duke would wipe the floor with him in a debate. I agree with most of what CC and The Narrator wrote in reply to your questions. Israel itself deserves no support from Europeans. What should be supported is Jews moving there (and staying there). 60
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 13, 2009, 09:07 AM | # Is Guy White Jewish? (Forgive me, I didn’t get that part.) 61
Posted by Dasein on February 13, 2009, 10:00 AM | # CC, I am a fan of your ‘taking it all back’ strategy. But for North America I would recommend repatriation, followed by racial partitioning based on the 1965 ethnic makeup. And maybe Jews get their own territory in this split. Without this splitting there will be the constant tension of differential birth rates. 62
Posted by Jews Incapable of Leading Non-Jews on February 13, 2009, 12:35 PM | # CC: “It is not in our interest to support Israel. It is not in your interest to “support” the hornet’s nest festering in your backyard.” Would you rather the hornet’s nest fester inside your home then? No, absolutely not. Israel must be supported to a certain extent (though that support should not include funneling them enough weapons to obliterate virtually the entire world), and Jews should be encouraged to live there as much as possible so that they don’t have to live in Western lands. However, Jews will likely need another colony somewhere else in the world so that they can become self-sufficient in terms of agriculture and other sectors. And just to say - most people wouldn’t have a problem with Jewish power if they were better, more just leaders; but as it stands now Jews set themselves up as a leadership class, an economic/intellectual/political elite, but they do a pathetically horrible job at leading people because of their general hostility, their incessant hoarding of influence/money/power, and their deep distrust of and disdain for all non-Jews. They claim they want to be benevolent leaders of humankind but end up becoming dictatorial and misanthropic tyrants who end up hoarding power and brutally attacking all possible competition for leadership because first and foremost in their minds, as others have mentioned here, is the phrase: “Is it good for Jews?” 63
Posted by Svigor on February 13, 2009, 01:01 PM | #
You’re making a bit more out of my analogy than is appropriate. My point was just that relatedness is inferior to survival. If Jews are screwing us over, why should we encourage them by reflexively supporting them (slightly more related) over the Palestinians (slightly less related)? That strategy has fail written all over it. This is what our brains are for.
What are the Jews going to do if they all move to NYC, that they haven’t done already? Attack us with extreme extreme prejudice? Yes, obviously Jewry moving en masse to America would suck, more than what we have now. Which is why I’m not actually on the Palestinian’s side. But I still get to hold their feet to the fire, because I don’t believe doing so will result in the destruction of Israel. But yes, bottom line, I don’t give a shit what happens to Jews if they succeed in their war against my people. Yes, if my people go down the shitter, I want Jews to go down the shitter too. 64
Posted by Svigor on February 13, 2009, 01:23 PM | # P.S., what happens to the Palestinians if the Jews win? Are they going to be flooding America? 65
Posted by Svigor on February 13, 2009, 01:28 PM | #
You’ve bundled criticism of Jews qua Jews with holocaust revisionism (why not refer to these folks the way they refer to themselves, rather than the way Jews refer to them?). Do you think that fair? No one here cares what some unnamed person said about Jews on some unnamed site. I can think of worse things than white men making hints about genocide vs. Jews on the Internet. Like, say, the real and ongoing genocide being perpetrated against Europeans by Jews. As for revisionism, you can take it or leave it. I have a passing interest in it when the subject comes up, because I believe there is no physical evidence whatsoever to support the claim that the Nazis systematically murdered 11 million people in death camps, and I know that such a crime would leave substantial evidence. Further, I find telling the utter lack of interest in such evidence on the part of the parties TOTALLY OBSESSED with the holocaust in all other respects.
Why must it be an either-or choice? Why not a combination of the two?
Lol, the most salient difference is that whites aren’t Jews, and vice-versa, not by a long shot. Jews get a pass on their ethnocentrism, while whites get the opposite.
No, sometimes, sometimes, respectively.
Maybe (because it offers a lever toward reciprocity), no, yes, no (no), no, no, respectively.
Yes. Meritocracy is a question quite separate and independent from ethno-nationalism.
Take what? Survival? I take survival as far as necessary to ensure survival. Seems kind of obvious, so maybe I’m not understanding your question properly. 66
Posted by Svigor on February 13, 2009, 01:39 PM | # I have an idea that might reconcile all the honest “philo-Semitic” European ethno-nationalists with the “anti-Semitic” European ethno-nationalists. It’s nothing new, but last night I was thinking that this idea could do with further development, and I spent a few hours since doing some research. How about we pursue the political equivalent of a fixed exchange rate vis-a-vis European ethno-nationalism, and Jewry? That is, we use Jewish and Israeli behavior, wholesale, as our apologetics? Justify everything, top to bottom, with its Jewish/Israeli equivalent. That way, every time someone criticizes our behavior, they’re forced to criticize Jewish/Israeli behavior. That way, opposition to us is anti-Semitism. We get to call our accusers “anti-Semites.” 67
Posted by Svigor on February 13, 2009, 01:47 PM | # With just a bit of reading, under this strategy, I’ve found a few things: 1) We get to have a religion based on ethnicity, which carries no real behavioral restraints (“secular Jews,” “atheist Jews,” etc.), but still allows us to self-restrict our membership. 2) We get to have an ethno-state just for ourselves. Or rather, there’s no good reason for anyone in the “mainstream” to deny us such a state in principle. 3) We get to set up a fund dedicated to buying land we’ve targeted for our ethno-state, and it isn’t racism! And it will be explicitly run by and for us, and no one else. 4) We get to set up immigration so that it keeps us in charge, and others out. 5) We get to put our religionists in charge of crucial state functions, like marriage law. 6) Our state will be, in principle, eligible for billions of dollars in American aid! Basically I’m talking about scrubbing the serial numbers off of Zionism and using it for our own purposes. 68
Posted by Svigor on February 13, 2009, 01:48 PM | # This would smoke out dishonest “philo-Semites,” btw. How could any “philo-Semite” object to this, unless they’re more concerned with Jewish well-being than Euro well-being? 69
Posted by Svigor on February 13, 2009, 01:53 PM | # And I’m not just talking about the same old ideology, but backed up with the aforementioned apologetics. I’m talking about hanging a lamp on this - explicitly starting with the idea that we’re pegging our ideology to Jewry’s, the way banana republics peg their currency to the dollar (though with more flexibility since this is nowhere near as simple as just pegging one’s currency to the dollar). 70
Posted by Svigor on February 13, 2009, 01:58 PM | # “We want for ourselves what Jews have for themselves” would be the refrain. The best thing about this refrain would be the added twist that whilst our hypocritical opponents scream at us for thinking and planning such things, they do nothing about Jewry doing such things. Common sense dictates one stops a real criminal before worrying about the theoretical one, ceteris paribus. 71
Posted by Captainchaos on February 13, 2009, 02:15 PM | # Jews Incapable of Leading Non-Jews: “Would you rather the hornet’s nest fester inside your home then?” Support for Israel can be given and withheld as is strategically beneficial for the White race at a given time. Now, we want as much pressure on Jews, globally, as can be mustered. We want them to lash out in ever more extreme ways so as to discredit them, and box them in. Dasein: “And maybe Jews get their own territory in this split.” I want don’t want the Jews on the same continent as me. Jews Incapable of Leading Non-Jews: “However, Jews will likely need another colony somewhere else in the world so that they can become self-sufficient in terms of agriculture and other sectors.” Agreed. How about somewhere in Africa or South America? 72
Posted by Valerian on February 13, 2009, 02:52 PM | # In the end, different solutions are going to work in different places for the white race. I was reading the Russia Today interview that was linked by “WNs MUST Seize This Moment in History” and I can tell you, as an American, that those scenerios can happen. I live in Southern California, which is the crown of the “modern disease” and this place can very well be a bloodbath in the next 10-15 years. There is not a sense of unity in this part of California and a lot of Whites have succumbed to a materialist mindset that will be hard to change. Even the Whites that explicate certain racialist views don’t have the Nationalist/Cultural mindset that can still be found amongst a lot of Europeans. So for the European peoples to survive in America, in my theoretical abstraction, we have to fracturalize into many different countries or nations out of the existing country. People in different parts of the countries have different world-views on how they see the world and even White Nationalists from coast-to-coast cannot agree wholeheartedly with one another. The country was founded from the beginning on Classical Liberal thinking and there is a direct causation on how people think in America that can be linked back to the founding of the nation. To put it in a more broad perspective, any solution or philosophical project of any kind can only work in so far as it matches the historical memories, historical customs, historical conventions, and historical climate of a certain people. The WN solution that works in Deutschland is not necessarily going to work in America. 73
Posted by Armor on February 13, 2009, 05:42 PM | #
I think Southern California is already a violent place, but the white residents will just move somewhere else if it becomes more violent. There won’t be a bloodbath. What would be interesting is if the Hispanics try to get Southern California out of the USA !
The real founders of America are European immigrants, not the authors of the Bill or Rights or of the Declaration of Independence. If Jefferson had never been born, the USA would probably not be very different. The reason why Americans do not think like the Chinese is that Americans have European ancestry. It is in their genes. And the reason why political attitudes differ in Britain and the USA is that the circumstances are different. But honestly, I think the political tradition has been broken in the USA. Britain and the USA are no longer democracies. It seems that the main reason is Jewish influence over the institutions. 74
Posted by Captainchaos on February 13, 2009, 07:21 PM | # Diamed post the following comment at VNN to which I replied as follows: http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?p=3569#comment-105244 “Jews fall halfway between European and Palestinian genes. They’re not European, or arabs, but they could easily become one or the other with a generation or two of interbreeding. Given their intelligence it’s obvious we want jews on our side, not against us, interbreed and they’ll be white soon enough, and the whole issue will become moot. Jews are not as genetically distant from Europeans as chinese or blacks, or even Arabs, so it’s stupid to call it them a race the ’same as chinese or blacks.’” - Diamed, 12 February, 2009 at 11:51 pm “Diamed: “Jews fall halfway between European and Palestinian genes. They’re not European, or arabs, but they could easily become one or the other with a generation or two of interbreeding.” No. What once was would have been destroyed. The Jewish genotype would be no more, and the larger genotype that assimilated the Jewish genotype would have been altered in the process of assimilation. “Given their intelligence it’s obvious we want jews on our side, not against us, interbreed and they’ll be white soon enough, and the whole issue will become moot.” Given Asian intelligence it is obvious we want them on our side, let the interbreeding begin. LOL! Where do you get this shit, Diamud? Get this, twit: The entire history of Jews is one of a heroic resistance to genetic assimilation. It is also a saga of a relentless will to subvert and dominate its host society. We are not discussing Chinese in diaspora here. Your prescription is tantamount to the suggestion that we lay down our arms before a charging enemy and hope he will be merciful. “Jews are not as genetically distant from Europeans as chinese or blacks, or even Arabs, so it’s stupid to call it them a race the ’same as chinese or blacks.’” Really just a bit of semantic slight of hand to soften us up to cooperation with Jews laboring under the false impression that their genetic absorption into our racial body is well nigh. But what the fuck, I’ll play along: In times not so long past the English or Germans were referred to as “the English race” or “the German race,” used today, describing said as a “race” would be archaic. Capische? That is obviously the sense in which a thinking person would use the descriptor “race” in reference to Jews. Frank Salter would call them an ethny - how is that? P.S. It was not long ago that on another site you were vehemently exhorting the extermination of ALL non-Whites GLOBALLY! But, now, you recommend psychological disarmament to the threat of Jews to the point that we inter-marry and cooperate with them. Just what is your game? I smell a rat, big time!” - Captainchaos, 13 February, 2009 at 6:11 pm 75
Posted by q on February 13, 2009, 07:35 PM | # Jews, in Israel, ALREADY have enough nukes to destroy the world. Think seriously about that! Have you guys ever heard about the Sampson Option? 76
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 13, 2009, 08:21 PM | # Re: Diamed Evolutionary aspects of the Tanakh Better than inter-marrying with Jews use Svigor’s suggestion and become a people of the Old Book emphasizing endogamy with extreme prejudice. 77
Posted by Valerian on February 13, 2009, 10:54 PM | #
Southern California is indeed riddled with violence of every form; it’s not going to get any better and with with Whites moving out in big numbers the Asians are going to be fighting a multi front war with the lesser races. Hell, I’m saving up so I can move out to Oregon or Washington. A lot of California exiles have moved up there and I am sure as shit that they themselves told Oregonians about what it’s really like down here. For anyone to think that Southern California is a “cool” place is either neurotic, stupid, ignorant, or brainwashed; I’m going to say it’s the latter because the Americans living here have succumbed to the modern American outlook, which will be their suicide.
I’m sorry, I should have been more clear on that sentence. In a more clearcut fashion, America, itself, has had certain, particular political traditions and ways of thinking that go back to even Jamestown. It really depends to what part of the USA you go to because the local history of each region differs and so people are born out of their environment and inherit a lot of their predecessors ways of thinking. A perfect example is us speaking the English language and why Americans always talk about “Liberty”. Of course, Armor, you’re absolutely right that American institutions have been hijacked by the “losers of the Semitic race”. Education here is an absolute abomination, the television directs the thoughts of a lot of people, a lot of people, even a lot Whites, in Southern California have been brainwashed through direct or subliminal means. Seriously, it feels like I’m living in bizarro world. Even people like Revilo Oliver has pointed out how the Americans since World War 2 have been mislead. Thankfully I’v released myself from from that mindset. 78
Posted by Diamed on February 14, 2009, 04:29 AM | # Quote to me exactly where I was ‘vehemently exhorting the extermination of ALL non-Whites GLOBALLY!’ I never said that. If you can’t find the quote, and you never will, you should apologize. As for jews interbreeding with whites, it really doesn’t matter what you think, it’s happening whether you like it or not, thank God. In the next fifty years the jews of America will be entirely assimilated and all of this jewish hate on whites, and white hate on jews, will be in the past. At that point all intelligent, civilized people of the world can concentrate on the true threat of dysgenics the rising tide of color poses. I’ve already given up on this blog but I suppose I’ll use this unjustified attack on me to make some larger points— This blog allows freedom of speech in the sense that people can finally unbosom their hatred of jews, their love of nazis, and other such traits. But it does not allow freedom of speech in the sense that people can have honest, fair, and wide-ranging debate about any topic. People are required to think of everything in one way, and anyone who goes against the group-think is attacked by a pack of mad hyenas. This is simply bizarro free speech world, you can say anything that’s taboo, but nothing that’s normal. The result is just as distorted as the PC world. There are three ways people can get along. They can share beliefs, they can share ideals, or they can share character. Out of all of these, character is the highest and foremost bond of friendship and unity. Beliefs are the shallowest and weakest. This blog has brought together many people of similar beliefs and ideals, and so you would think the people here would treat each other with friendship and courtesy. Instead it’s a den of vipers full of curse words, slander, accusations, misrepresentations, etc. This is because people here have no shared sense of character. This makes MR a less congenial place than a hotbed of marxist liberalism, because though they might disagree with my beliefs, at least they still have the concepts of honesty, fairness, keeping an open mind, the willingness to change, courtesy, respect, and decorum. The low character of this blog shows the low character of WN, it reflects poorly on the whole movement. Beliefs are cheap, they’re a dime a dozen, but how you present yourself, how you treat others, how fairly or courteously you argue, cannot be manufactured and displays your true worth. You will never earn people’s trust or loyalty so long as your low character shows how vile the underpinnings of your beliefs and ideals are. Politics is about finding out what people want, then giving it to them. It is not about convincing the masses to be something they’re not, or want something they don’t want. So long as you keep offering them stuff they don’t want while neglecting the stuff they do want, you will never be appealing. People largely don’t want a homogeneous nation, they don’t want to hurt or disrupt the lives of others, they just want a good life for themselves and their kids. You are like a failed business plan, spending billions to make and market a product that no one wants, that simply sits collecting dust in warehouses all around the country, but every year makes a million more of the worthless things in the deluded hope they’ll sell ‘this time’. If anyone here did like my posts (clearly none of the commenters, but maybe some lurkers somewhere) I’m going to continue writing for South Africa Sucks. Hopefully in a more friendly, and more free, atmosphere. I’ve already penned a lot of fine articles, so come and see. 79
Posted by Guessedworker on February 14, 2009, 05:10 AM | # Diamed, You do not understand the Jewish mission, especially as it pertains to exile. In religious terms, which offers the starkest explanation, it is to make all the world fit for G-d to inhabit. Wherever he finds himself, a Jew can do something to shape the world to that end. The Jewish exile is, therefore, an essential, empowering vehicle. It is not some worldly historical process greatly endangering to Jews. It is G-d’s chosen way to prepare Jews for a much higher and greater ascent than would have been possible before the destruction of the second temple and the scattering of the tribes, because at that time Jews were not sufficiently loving and united to move forward. Exile, therefore, is a cleansing process by which the weak and divisive strain in Jewry is winnowed away amongst the other nations, leaving a pure core to serve G-d’s plan for his chosen people. They are not going to go away. They are going to become tougher, more religious, more Jewish and more dedicated to the path chosen for them by their deity ... or by their genetic predisposition, as we would have it. 80
Posted by Dasein on February 14, 2009, 05:26 AM | # Diamed, this about where I stopped paying attention to your posts and comments:
You then you went on with some mumbo jumbo about a eugenics scheme, saying that if it were implemented you would be happy to see the White race abolished. I would recommend people read JRichard’s dissection of your post. It was a shame really, because up to about this post I thought that you, by and large, made sense. I wish you luck at SAS; hopefully you start making sense again. 81
Posted by Captainchaos on February 14, 2009, 05:57 AM | # Diamed: “I never said that. If you can’t find the quote, and you never will, you should apologize.” Not a chance in hell, fuckwad. I’m not going to waste my time fishing through old threads to find the umpteenth time you waxed unpoetical about the need to implement the Turner Diaries and for an “all-White world.” “This blog allows freedom of speech in the sense that people can finally unbosom their hatred of jews, their love of nazis, and other such traits.” You, yourself, said, how you would dearly love to have a small ethno-state in which you could implement National Socialism. You are a near psychotic, dissembling little punk. An emotionally distant or absent father? Did mommy smother you? Eat too many paint chips? LOL! “But it does not allow freedom of speech in the sense that people can have honest, fair, and wide-ranging debate about any topic.” You got to go on your Turner Diaries rants, you got to post - IN MAIN POSTS - your hallucinatory ramblings; what_more_do_you_want? “The low character of this blog shows the low character of WN, it reflects poorly on the whole movement. Beliefs are cheap, they’re a dime a dozen, but how you present yourself, how you treat others, how fairly or courteously you argue, cannot be manufactured and displays your true worth. You will never earn people’s trust or loyalty so long as your low character shows how vile the underpinnings of your beliefs and ideals are.” Blah, blah, blah, BLAH! Ever heard of projection, you little punk? “You are like a failed business plan, spending billions to make and market a product that no one wants, that simply sits collecting dust in warehouses all around the country, but every year makes a million more of the worthless things in the deluded hope they’ll sell ‘this time’.” What will sell for the lemmings is survival. They will come together for the sake of it. Your fifth rate “science” fiction fantasies may stave of boredom (for you - LOL!), but will amount to precisely jack shit in advancing the struggle for survival of the White race. “Hopefully in a more friendly, and more free, atmosphere.” In which to pursue your escapism. Have fun, tons-o-fun! P.S. Sometimes proper nouns are capitalized. P.P.S. So yer from SA, eh? No wonder Apartheid fell, with pussies like you guarding the gates. 82
Posted by alex zeka on February 14, 2009, 03:35 PM | # Svigor, The main problem with that is that a significant proportion of the left are anti-Israel, and do object it doing things to remain jewish and secure. They’re the ones running the media in the UK, or at least running the BBC and the more leftish papers. If were going down, I don’t think the fact that so is Israel will provide much comfort. 83
Posted by Brazilification of America on February 14, 2009, 05:31 PM | # A Black American conservative speaks out against the Brazilification of America - http://issuesviews.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-york-times-watchdogs-and-crusade-to.html 84
Posted by Svigor on February 14, 2009, 09:07 PM | #
They’re more anti-Israel than they are anti-white? Or as anti-Israel as anti-white. No. They’re far less anti-Israel than they are anti-white, and I think we can all come up with one word to sum up why. 85
Posted by n/a on February 15, 2009, 12:44 PM | # Is IQ or ethnocentricism responsible for Jewish success and domination of many intellectual fields? How is it different from White-Black gaps in education, finance, etc.? What happens to other groups that outscore the majority by a similar margin on IQ tests? (Amren had an article on that last year.) IQ can’t explain Jewish success.
I posted a comment to this effect weeks ago on your blog, which you failed to release from moderation. (The comment also pointed out that contra your other favorite hobbyhorse, circulating testosterone levels can’t explain black crime rates, however “obvious” the reverse might to seem to you.) 86
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 15, 2009, 04:18 PM | # Replying to a few of Guy White’s questions of Feb. 13, 6:02 AM:
The Jewish tribe is what’s attacking us, not individual “liberal” free-lancers who happen to be Jewish and are unrelated to the tribe. It’s a tribal attack. If we don’t see that whole picture we can’t comprehend the attack and we can’t counterattack coherently or even just defend ourselves. That doesn’t mean every Jew is participating in, or agrees with, the attack any more than it means every Jap and German in WW-II Japan and Germany did. You can’t fight what you can’t see clearly. Not grasping the whole amounts to granting sanctuary, in effect, to a part of that which is attacking you. You can’t defeat the whole attacker when you are in effect granting a portion of him permanent sanctuary, permanent shelter from counteratttack. If you’re being attacked by a snake and don’t know how dangerous its coils are, it’ll have you wrapped and suffocating while you’re concentrating on its fangs.
It’s in our interest to know the truth about the ©Ho£ocau$t®™. Why in the world wouldn’t it be? It’s in the Jews’ interest too.
We, the victims of ongoing genocide at the hands of the Jews, oppose genocide.
In various ways Jews are both gifted and lacking.
Eurosphere Jews are a hetergeneous mix of Semite and Euro.
It’s in our interest to look after our own affairs and avoid entanglement in the affairs of others. It’s not in our interest to be led around by the nose by the Israel/Jewish-Disapora Complex. Israel is not an appendage of the United States. It is legitimate for Euros to withhold support for Israel pending Diaspora-Jewish cooperation in halting and reversing excessive incompatible immigration into Euro lands.
I don’t traffic in the concept of “white nationalism,” as I see no need, where the matters under discussion above are concerned, to invoke any concept beyond ordinary normalness. When you’re normal — nothing else, just normal: you espouse no philosophy, are a partisan of no politics, are just a normal, ordinary, decent, “everyday,” simple guy (and of course you are white) — when you’re that, you have no need of anything called “white nationalism” in order to question, vote against, demonstrate against, oppose, get angry as hell about, forced race-replacement. Why saddle yourself with some superfluous name and politico-philosophical baggage you don’t need or even understand and may not agree with portions of, probably don’t agree in part? That said, the goal of what you refer to as “White Nationalism” is, as I see it, the overthrow of the current forced-race-replacment régime together with the complete restoration of the racial/ethnocultural status quo ante (”status quo ante” referring to the time before the Jews planted their hooks into our immigration policy in 1965). All the specific questions you ask above are properly answered as a simple function of that. Generally what that means in regard to racially/ethnoculturally-incompatible individuals is zero of them is the ideal, but tiny numbers of them, so tiny they cannot have a significant effect on race or lead to a situation that does, are OK, but cautiously OK, lest things get out of hand, which things will quickly do if there are Jews around. 87
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 15, 2009, 07:02 PM | #
In a different thread, Armor in effect replies at least obliquely to the above question of Guy White’s:
( http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/heroism_with_and_without_high_principle/#c69651 ) I agree with Armor that Jewish media ownership seems to be a huge part of how they’ve pulled off forced race-replacement of white people. For instance, all of us have asked ourselves this: “If we see what’s going on, how come white élites who are way smarter than we are haven’t seen what we see and come forward in open opposition?” But maybe they have come forward, or started to, and been tarred and feathered so soundly by the Jewish media that the nascent opposition they represented got each time strangled in the cradle, so never “materialized” for the tarred-and-feathered or at least intimidated white élites to be the leaders of. Strangling stuff in the cradle, where the power exists for doing it, is a very effective method of forestalling opposition: the opposition sort of never comes into existence. Israeli Prime Ministers Begin and Shamir, both notorious terrorists with blood-drenched hands in their younger days, could easily have been painted as being just as disgusting and el-sicko as, for example, Dr. David Duke has been, but of course they weren’t. No media kept them from their roles as pillars of the Jews, while it’s certainly possible that Jewish media kept Dr. David Duke from ever developing into a pillar of Euros in this country. Duke has questionable details in his past but no more than Bill Clinton, the darling of the Jews. But Clinton wasn’t destroyed by the media, while Duke has been absolutely crushed, utterly flattened. Had it not been for the Jewish media, who knows but that Duke might have become a revered leader of his people as Shamir, Begin, and Clinton did. The Jewish media monopoly has the power to take several individuals, several “aspirants,” of equal worth, and “make” some while “breaking” others and absolutely, utterly demolishing yet others, so that they can never again even rise off the ground. So maybe, had it not been for Jewish monopoly media control, we wouldn’t be asking ourselves today, “Where are our white élite leaders?” Maybe they’d have emerged long ago as such, because not strangled in the cradle. In fact I think they definitely would, and we definitely wouldn’t be in this mess. Jewish media control: I agree with Armor, that has to be targeted. 88
Posted by Armor on February 15, 2009, 07:40 PM | #
That question comes to my mind with regard to economists. How come they are so afraid to mention the impact of immigration? 89
Posted by Armor on February 15, 2009, 08:47 PM | # We could try to challenge the Jewish over-representation in every media, but what we really need is to break the monopoly. We need at least one mainstream TV station that is consciously pro-white and not Jewish. And if we can not have that, we need at least one mainstream TV station that is less anti-White than standard TV. 90
Posted by Jupiter on February 17, 2009, 04:44 PM | # I just thought i would interupt the flow of discussion here a bit. As you all know White Nationalists have been banned from posting on Taki magazine. This was the whole point of of banning comments. White Nationalist comments have been replaced with…....with asian supremacist and blogger RHAZIB KHAN!!!! Taki you are a dirty fucking Greek. Go straight to hell!!! Sorry for the interuption. Next entry: Heroism with and without high principle Previous entry: “A Conspiracy of Silence” |
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Posted by weston on February 11, 2009, 02:27 AM | #
By the way, here is the post by Guy White that this log entry is in response to: http://guywhite.wordpress.com/2009/02/05/our-problems-and-solutions/
I’ve read through a bit of Guy’s blog and occasionally comment there. It’s generally a good read, though he is quite lost when it comes to the Jewish Question. That said, everything I’ve read over there leads me to believe he’s a confused white, and not an NEC. So the possibility exists that we could change his mind, or at least plant a seed of doubt. Hopefully he’ll come over here and engage in a dialogue.