Are Jews White?

Are Jews White?

by

Robert E. Reis


The Southern Poverty Law Center has declared war on Professor Kevin MacDonald, but the SPLC has not declared war on Jared Taylor and American Renaissance.

The SPLC has good things to say about American Renaissance and about Jared Taylor.

The SPLC mentions that American Renaissance consistently deletes readers’ posts critical of the Jews. The SPLC describes American Renaissance as “100% clean” white nationalism.

Jared Taylor and American Renaissance cater to modern non-Orthodox Jews by claiming that Jews are white.

E. Michael Jones believes that the American Renaissance is “the white man’s version of the NAACP, which is to say, one more organization which manipulates the race issue in the interests of the revolutionary Jews. The main purpose of the American Renaissance is to convince deracinated Protestants that Jews are white, and, therefore, no threat to their interests.”

If non-Jewish white people see Jews as white people in the context of the relationship between whites and blacks in America or in the context of non-white immigration to white countries, then Jews disappear from the radar screens. Ordinary white people will not suspect Jews and Jewish groups of having hidden motives when they make policy recommendations.

Are Jews white? Or are they a genetic clustering that is “acting in a way that cannot please God and makes them the enemies of the whole human race” (I Thess 1:15).

Many years ago, Senator Joseph McCarthy was asked how he identified a communist. He responded that if something looked like a duck, waddled like a duck, quacked like a duck and hung around with a lot of other ducks, he had found a duck.

Science has advanced a lot since then.

It is a politically correct view to hold that races do not exist.  Even those scientists who promote this doctrine have to admit there are genetic clusterings; recognizable groups of people who look more like members of their group than they look like members of other groups. It would be an aberrant man of science who did not see a difference between native Swedes, Germans, and Poles and native Chinese, Koreans and Japanese.

Many scientific studies of the DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) of various groupings of human beings have been done.

One study allocates Iranians, English people, Danes and Greeks to a tight clustering, Japanese and Koreans to another cluster, Khmer, Micronesians, and Malays to another cluster, and Bantus, Nilo-Saharans, and West Africans to yet another cluster. Near Easterners are located about as far from Iranian, English, Danish, Greek cluster as the Chinese are located from the Micronesians.

Another study acknowledges seven genetic clusterings in the following order of genetic distance: African, Caucasoid, Northeast Asian, Arctic Asia, America, Southeast Asia, New Guinea and Australian.

This same study, bewilderingly enough, also recognizes nine genetic clusterings in the following order of genetic distance from Africans: Africans, Non-European Caucasoids, European Caucasoids, Northeast Asians, Arctic Northeast Asians, Southeast Asians, Amerindians, New Guineans and Australians, Pacific Islanders.

Another analysis identified five major human clades, [groups that include all descendants of one common ancestor]: sub-Saharan Africans, Caucasians, Greater Asians, Australopapuans and Amerindians. 

It is fair to say that a minimal definition of whiteness must be restricted to the European Caucasian genetic clustering. I have witnessed and also read the reports of ethnic rioting in Europe where groups of non-European Caucasians attacked European Caucasians and verbally abused them as “whites”. When members of the Near Eastern genetic clustering talk about “whites”, they are not talking about people from the Non-European Caucasian clustering from Iran or India.

Is there a identifiable Jewish genetic clustering? If the Jewish genetic clustering exists, is it part of the European Caucasian genetic clustering?

Both before and after the discovery and use of DNA evidence, scientific researchers examined the biological relationships among Jews and between Jews and the non-Jewish populations among whom they lived.

Mourant, Kopec, and Domaniewska-Sobczak reported that blood group data support the relative homogeneity of the main historic Jewish communities and that Jews are essentially a single people with a limited genetic resemblance to the populations among whom they dwelled.

Sachs and Bat Miriam reported impressive similarities among the Jewish populations in nine countries in North Africa, the Middle East and Central Europe while they found important genetic differences between the Jews and the non-Jews in the same countries. 


Studies of blood group data published in 1977 and 1979 found no significant difference in Jewish populations from Iraq, Libya, Germany, or Poland. They estimated that the genetic distance between Gentiles and Jews living in the same area is three to five times greater than for Jews living in the different nations studied. The earlier study concluded that not much admixture has taken place between Ashkenazi Jews and their Gentile neighbors during the last 700 years or so. 

Mille and Kobyliansky ascertained from studies of dermatologlyphics, the science of the study of skin patterns, data that Eastern European Jews are much more similar to Middle-Eastern Jews than they are to the non-Jewish Eastern Europeans. 

Kobyliansky and Livshits estimated that Jews in Russia were six times more distant from Russians than Russians were from Germans. They also reported the Jews to be completely separate from the twenty-four other ethnic groups studied in Russia, Germany, and Poland. 

Sofaer, Smith, and Kaye compared modern Jews and 3,000-year old Jewish skeletons discovered in the Middle East. The ancient Jewish skeletal group turned out to be far more similar to the modern Jewish populations than to every non-Jewish group studied except for one, an Arab Druse group from the 11th century. 

Livshits, Sokal and Kobylianskyt investigated the genetic affinities of Jewish populations. They concluded that Jewish populations are more like one another than they are to non-Jews and that pairs of Jewish populations from different locations are more alike than pairs of non-Jewish populations. They maintained that the most economical explanation of their findings is that the modern Jewish population throughout the world was derived from a common original gene pool which underwent few changes during the dispersion of the Jewish people. They also reported that it was highly likely that the common origin of the Jewish populations was more recent than that of the non-Jews.

In 2001, the scientific journal Human Immunology published a keynote research paper by the Spanish geneticist Professor Antonio Arnaiz-Villena and others, showing that Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians are genetically almost identical. The research team had found no data to support the idea that Jewish people were genetically different from other people in the region.  The Jewish reaction was intense, abusive, threatening and effective. Human Immunology’s editor was threatened by mass resignations from members if she did not retract the article. Human Immunology urged its members who had already received copies containing the article to rip out the offending pages and thrown them away.

The evidence is conclusive. Jews are part of an identifiable genetic clustering. This clustering is part of the Near Eastern genetic clustering. The Near Eastern genetic clustering is part of the Non-European Caucasians clustering. Jews are not white.

 

 

Posted by Robert Reis on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 06:44 AM in Genetics & Human Bio-Diversity
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Posted by 123 on March 23, 2008, 08:17 AM | #

Great article. It describes the scientific backing of what is deduced by the astute observer of jewish behaviour through the ages.

If the same traits and patterns of jewish behaviour is a virtual constant through thousands of years, as documented by varying peoples and writers, and furthermore is still the same nowadays, as we have the dubious privilege to witness in real time, plus on top is specific to a clearly defined group of people, then there remains only one reasonable conclusion: these behavioural traits are not transmitted culturally, but are hardwired into these very people. As we nowadays now better then ever, hardwiring is done by means of genes, so no real surprise here, but good to know and yet another confirmation.

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Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on March 23, 2008, 11:50 AM | #

Jews aren’t white politically, either.  None of the downsides of whiteness attach to Jews voluntarily.  Two salient examples spring to mind: while interviewing Morgan Freeman on 60 minutes Mike Wallace expressly evades “white guilt” by asserting his Jewishness; Joan Rivers blitzkrieged the hapless black activist Darcus Howe, who was too naive to know “white guilt” is a “goy” thing.  Then of course there’s the whole HOLOCAUST industry, which is the biggest “white guilt” trip in history; Jews use this paragon of “white guilt” to justify their aggression against the very people who pulled their asses out of the fire in WWII!

(Btw, CNN’s outright lie of a “transcript” is telling)

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on March 23, 2008, 12:17 PM | #

The Jews themselves are telling us they don’t consider themselves white, by their unending calls for the downfall, punishment, and race-replacement of whites, their doing all they can to bring these ends about, and their open, brazen, shocking rejoicing at every sign things are getting closer to those goals they champion so fervently:  one can be certain in all this that the Jews are NOT calling for the downfall, punishment, or race-replacement of JEWS — they’re NOT calling for the punishment, downfall, or race-replacement of THEMSELVES.  Duhhhhhh .......

If a highly intelligent, extremely self-centered, self-aware group tells you loud-and-clear by its words and deeds it’s not white, you’d perhaps be making a big mistake not to believe it:  look to the Jews themselves for the answer — they’re telling you they DO NOT consider themselves white.

Excellent log entry, by the way, and excellent comments by 123 and Svy.

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Posted by MB on March 23, 2008, 12:43 PM | #

I think that’s I Thess. 2:15.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on March 23, 2008, 12:59 PM | #

“I think that’s I Thess. 2:15.”  (—MB)

Right.

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Posted by MacGregor on March 23, 2008, 02:02 PM | #

Jews are ‘white’. But whiteness is not a proper foundation for group identity in the first place. If white European-Americans and white Jews find themselves on the same continuum of identity it is because the former have nothing special to distinguish themselves.

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Posted by garland on March 23, 2008, 02:21 PM | #

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/14/60minutes/main1127684.shtml

Svi—save it somehow if you can.

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Posted by garland on March 23, 2008, 02:26 PM | #

Svi, for the record, CNN put out a straight transcript here:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/19/sbt.01.html

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Posted by Robert Reis on March 23, 2008, 02:38 PM | #

Thanks for comments.

This is a revised article with many changes and that darn error in scriptural citation that I appreciate that so many of you spotted.

Cheers,

Robert

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Posted by Riley DeWiley on March 23, 2008, 06:07 PM | #

No.

They are a people apart, by their own choosing. By claiming to be white, they wish to claim all of the benefits of membership in another tribe, without conferring any of the benefits of membership in their own tribe to anyone else.

If all Jews are white, are all whites Jewish?

I think not.

Riley

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Posted by Darren on March 23, 2008, 11:41 PM | #

Jews are ‘white’. But whiteness is not a proper foundation for group identity in the first place. If white European-Americans and white Jews find themselves on the same continuum of identity it is because the former have nothing special to distinguish themselves.

Well, we are a victim of our imprecise terminology here. The context when a WN uses it is to mean someone who is of continental European ancestry.

Many North Africans and Arabs are technically Caucasian, by a greater genetic definition, but the connection to continental Europe and the indo european settlements is a bit more tenuous, especially when you factor in the historical racial admixture with other groups they encountered.

I am not an ‘anti-Semite’. I believe Jews have a place, but it is not among those of us in Europe or continental Europe. They have a cultural system that works for them but is incompatible with our own.

Perhaps Constantin will read this article and get some sense slapped into him.

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Posted by J Richards on March 24, 2008, 03:26 AM | #

The SPLC mentions that American Renaissance consistently deletes readers’ posts critical of the Jews.

Make that Amren doesn’t post comments critical of Jews.  Amren moderates comments.

If the Mossad front SPLC really labels Amren ‘“100% clean” white nationalism’ then Amren is certified as a largely useless publication for white America.  Any publication that refuses to identify and act against an alien group that is predominantly responsible for the problems it complains about ad infinitum is a useless one.

What I would like to draw attention to are the problems in Robert Reis’ essay.  To start with, such articles need to be accompanied by citations rather than leaving the reader to search for them.  Reis has also omitted many recent studies, but before I address them, the core logic is at fault.

The ability to largely genetically distinguish one population from another does not mean that these populations belong to separate races.  Please read about the phylogeographic criteria for race assignment.  With a large number of markers, closely related populations can be very well separated, as seen below.

PC analysis of European populations

This image was taken from recent research published in Science magazine, and they used 650,000 DNA markers.

Most Jews are Ashkenazi and these are not all Middle Eastern.  This is known from both history and genetic evidence.  The basic population structure among Europeans is a north-south distinction, followed by a distinction between the Ashkenazi and other southern Europeans.

Here are some newer studies:

Seldin MF, Shigeta R, Villoslada P, Selmi C, Tuomilehto J, et al. (2006) European population substructure: clustering of northern and southern populations. PLoS Genet 2: e142 doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.0020143

Price AL, Butler J, Patterson N, Capelli C, Pascali VL, et al. (2008) Discerning the Ancestry of European Americans in Genetic Association Studies. PLoS Genet 4(1): e236. doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.0030236

Tian C, Plenge RM, Ransom M, Lee A, Villoslada P, et al. (2008) Analysis and Application of European Genetic Substructure Using 300 K SNP Information. PLoS Genet 4(1): e4. doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.0040004

In the Seldin et al. study, the Ashkenazi couldn’t be separated from other southeastern Europeans, but with more markers they could be separated.

There is no easy way to use genetic justification to definitively exclude the Ashkenazi from European mankind while including other southern Europeans.  Of course, one could exclude southern Europeans to make the matter easy, and Nordicists certainly wouldn’t be complaining, but much of European history and achievement has occurred in southern Europe, and southern European goyim are not undermining the welfare of northern Europeans.  People should keep in mind that some “Nordicists” recommending the exclusion of southern Europeans are Jews trying to prevent whites from organizing against them.  So I recommend that genetic justification be largely ignored.  Just as a dangerous white criminal belongs in prison rather than in free white society notwithstanding his being white, given the extensive history of anti-goyim behavior by organized Jews and the havoc they have wreaked on Europeans, Jews should be considered highly unwelcome aliens that are clearly outside what European mankind should call their own kind.

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Posted by blog tragic on March 24, 2008, 04:51 AM | #

In the Seldin et al. study, the Ashkenazi couldn’t be separated from other southeastern Europeans, but with more markers they could be separated.

There is no easy way to use genetic justification to definitively exclude the Ashkenazi from European mankind while including other southern Europeans.

As usual, you don’t know what you are talking about.  You’ll note that in the earlier Seldin study, the Ashkenazim occupied one extreme within the “southern cluster;” in other words, looking at that set of markers, and comparing the Ashkenazim only to a European set of populations, they did fall in the southern cluster (which is no surprise).  The later Seldin work continued looking at only Europeans + Jews, but used sufficient markers to cluster Jews separately.  Interestingly, the Jews did not fall within the North/South continuum, but were “off” in their “won quadrant,” so to speak (crudely).

In a very rough analogy, there are some who misinterpreted the old Rosenberg studies into thinking that South Asians and Middle Easterns were simply Europeans with some East Asian or African “admixture,” respectively.  Remember Rosenberg’s “blue” category, and comments made about this?  Later studies, with more markers, very clearly demonstrated a South/Central Asian specific genetic component in South Asian populations.  Even more recently, that Science paper in which Cavalli-Sforza decided to update his outdated findings in, used sufficient markers to distinguish Middle Easterns/North Africans from Europeans.

These studies are a “work in progress,” as they increase marker sets and, in theory, (should) increase numbers of populations examined.

There’s nothing wrong with your political analysis per se, but I can’t understand why people, like “The Inverted World,” are so eager to jump on any evidence to “prove” that the Ashkenazim are “European.”  Let us at least see where they would fall within analysis similar to that of the recent Science paper.

The fact that the Ashkenazim “clustered” in the “southern” grouping in the original Seldin paper doesn’t mean that they are not at least partially Middle Eastern or that they are genetically equivalent to southern Europeans. 

What I would like to draw attention to are the problems in Robert Reis’ essay. 

There are such problems in all of this essays, which doesn’t prevent him from expressing his learned opinions from everything from population genetics to the (lack of) health problems from cigarette smoking.

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Posted by blog tragic on March 24, 2008, 04:55 AM | #

This image was taken from recent research published in Science magazine, and they used 650,000 DNA markers.

Yes, and did you see Figure 1 in that paper, and how it compares to Rosenberg’s previous studies, which seemed to indicate that Europeans, South Asians, and Middle Easterns all had the same underlying major genetic component, albeit with different levels of “admixture?”

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Posted by blog tragic on March 24, 2008, 04:59 AM | #

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Koestler13thTribe.htm

Is that “history?”  Where’s the genetic evidence for the “Khazar hypothesis?  Do you think that Koestler is an objective “historian” when it comes to the history of Jews?

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Posted by blog tragic on March 24, 2008, 05:19 AM | #

Looking at the Northern and Southern European clusters, you’ll find they lie along an upper left-lower right axis.  If you more closely at the designated ethnicities, you’ll also see that this “cluster axis” “just happens to” mirror a Northwest to Southeast geographic axis, with the Irish at one end and the Greeks at the other.

Ashkenazim, particularly those with 4 Ash. grandparents (hence, “unmixed”) do not lie along this axis.  Researchers may express the opinion that this may be due (at least in part) to effects of drift, but the NRY data as well as gene mutation studies (never mind actual history) suggest that these marked differences may in fact be due to the Ashkenazim’s predominant (recent) Middle Eastern ancestry.

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Posted by blog tragic on March 24, 2008, 06:26 AM | #

With respect to this issue, as well as the “chimps are similar to Europeans” comments on another thread, that’ll be addressed on my own blog.

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Posted by n/a on March 24, 2008, 07:05 AM | #

People should keep in mind that some “Nordicists” recommending the exclusion of southern Europeans are Jews trying to prevent whites from organizing against them.

Care to point out some examples of this phenomenon? I’ve yet to encounter it outside diabloblanco’s and apparently now your fevered imaginations.

The reality, of course, is that Jewish “anti-racism” began as anti-Nordicism, and boasianism’s first target was the idea that racial variation existed in Europe.

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Posted by 123 on March 24, 2008, 07:11 AM | #

I think, that the notion, that jews might be white, rests really on one fact only, namely that they at least superficially and look more or less white.

From the flora and fauna there are many examples of even different species looking similar or alike. It is called mimicry. The reason for one kind to evolve so as to resemble the other is, that it proved to be advantageous. For example, there are completely harmess flies who look very similar to wasps. The casual observer would conclude, that since these flies do look like wasps, they must be wasps, but of course they are not. In any case the flies would have a radically different behaviour to wasps and this would be one way of recognizing them for what they are.

Transferring this notion to the jews and their parasitic lifestyle for thousands of years and their most susceptible host being whites, it is not inconceivable, that they developed along such lines, so as to appear white (mimicried whites). It gives them an effective camouflage and prevents their victims from recognizing what is happening to them, thus making the parasiting easier and more efficient (as we can witness now better than ever) since the host cannot recognize its parasite. Thus the superficial resemblance of jews to whites would not mean at all, that they are white. Quite the opposite, it really means they are not and really an increasingly (as this development goes on) efficient parasite and thus enemy of whites. Taking the analogy to the above cited example, one method to distinguish them would be their behaviour, which indeed could not contrast stronger to that of whites.

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Posted by Guessedworker on March 24, 2008, 07:22 AM | #

123,

One does not need mimicry to explain Jewish “European-ness”.  The spasms of European revenge-taking would likely favour the survival of the more European-looking Jews.  And then there is a deal of inter-marriage.

Robert’s thesis perhaps requires an air-tight definition of “white”.

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Posted by 123 on March 24, 2008, 08:11 AM | #

@Guessedworker

Mimicry does not come about by itself, but by means of selective forces. What you describe are the selective forces to bring about mimicry of the jews.

The point I was trying to make is, that the outer appearance may be misleading, but it is probably the main reason for even raising the question of jews being white.

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Posted by Guessedworker on March 24, 2008, 08:21 AM | #

We are saying the same thing, I guess.  Basically, in the heat of the moment, when the torches are flaming and the cottage doors are thrown open, and the logs are being piled up in the town square, sympathy sometimes decides who is dragged to the stake and who is left seen but undisturbed beneath the bed.

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Posted by J Richards on March 24, 2008, 08:24 AM | #

Blog tragic,

Why don’t you stick to a single alias, not just per entry?

In a very rough analogy, there are some who misinterpreted the old Rosenberg studies into thimking that South Asians and Middle Easterns were simply Europeans with some East Asian or African “admixture,” respectively.  Remember Rosenberg’s “blue” category, and comments made about this?

Europeans with any significant East Asian or African admixture cease to be Europeans.  The recent Science paper by Jun Li et al. adds a nuance to the Rosenberg et al. study.  If 650,000 markers split people spread over a broad geographic region into three clusters whereas about 1,000 markers reveal a single cluster only (the blue cluster) such that the typical European has nearly 100% membership in this cluster but Middle Easterners and northwestern south Asians have substantial but much lesser membership in the blue cluster, then it doesn’t mean that part-European (as opposed to some obscure Caucasoid) ancestry is not supported in Middle Easterners and central/northwestern south Asians.  Look up information on lactase tolerance and SLC24A5 (skin color) genetics in Europeans and people as far as South Asia as well as some history such as Indo-European migrations outside of Europe.  Even with 650,000 markers, you can still see that the typical Palestinian has substantial minority membership in the European cluster and many south Asian individuals have small but significant membership in the European cluster.  With more markers, one is bound to better separate populations and increase the likelihood of coming up with additional clusters, but this would not undermine admixture scenarios in the past or definitely justify assignment to separate races.       

The fact that the Ashkenazim “clustered” in the “southern” grouping in the original Seldin paper doesn’t mean that they are not at least partially Middle Eastern or that they are genetically equivalent to southern Europeans.

No need to state this because I haven’t implied this.  I said that the Ashkenazim are not entirely Middle Eastern.  Of course they are partly Middle Eastern, but many southern European goyim are not free of a Middle Eastern element either.

Where’s the genetic evidence for the “Khazar hypothesis?

The state of current genetic knowledge and analysis does not allow it to be used as a yardstick for historical documentation.  People other than Koestler have documented the Khazar origin of the Ashkenazi.  Since you must justify the matter genetically, why don’t you write the definitive piece on how, genetically speaking, one can include southern Europeans as part of European mankind but exclude the Askkenazi?  If you can do this, this will help us.  I personally wouldn’t bother with genetics when it comes to regarding the Ashkenazi as outside European mankind because of their behavior, but if there is genetic evidence then it can only be better, and this evidence better have some academic rigor unlike Reis’ essay.  And don’t post it at your blog.  Mail it to Guessedworker or me.  Your blog does not allow comments.

Here is another matter.  Lynn reviewed many studies and reported that in Israel, the IQ of the Ashkenazi is 15 points (1 S.D.) higher than that of the Oriental Jews (proper Semites from Middle East, near East, north Africa).  Do you think that the Semites went to Europe and experienced a 15-point IQ increase during the Middle Ages?  A more likely scenario is that the Semites were able to convert the higher IQ Khazars to Judaism, and thanks to their obnoxious behaviors, the Khazars were largely confined to money lending/management, the cognitive demands of which selected for higher IQs, which eventually resulted in their IQ ending up 0.20–0.67 S.D. higher than that of European goyim.

You should also look up some of the useless research the Ashkenazi religious Jews have been coming up with on the “Cohen modal Y haplotype” and the “Levite modal Y haplotype” to trace the lineage of the Levites and Cohanim back two millennia to Levi and Aharon.       

I can’t understand why people, like “The Inverted World,” are so eager to jump on any evidence to “prove” that the Ashkenazim are “European.”

Simple reason.  Robert Reis said it in his essay, and he got it right.

Ashkenazim, particularly those with 4 Ash. grandparents (hence, “unmixed”) do not lie along this axis.

This is in reference to the 2A figure in the Tian et al. research.  Why just pick one PC axis?  Both PCs do a good job of distinguishing northern Europeans from the Ashkenazi, but only PC2 does a good job of distinguishing the Greeks and Italians from the Ashkenazi, and PC2 explains much less of the variance than PC1.  You can see this in the STRUCTURE (k=2) results (Figure 3 and S1).

Don’t bother citing evidence that distinguishes Ashkenazi from southern Europeans.  It is not being argued that this is not possible.  Just as in the figure I posted where it is easy to distinguish closely related European populations, yet one would not use this to justify classifying them into separate races, your task is to genetically justify why southern European goyim but not the Ashkenazi should be clustered with northern Europeans when it comes to classifying who is genetically European.  Do this and you do us all a favor.  Keep in mind that the Price et al. study reported Fst between northern and southern Europeans as 0.005 and Fst between southern European goyim and Ashkenazi as 0.004 for the entire dataset and for the ancestry informative markers, the upward biased Fst values were 0.07 and 0.04 respectively (I don’t have to tell you how big of a difference these numbers represent).

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Posted by J Richards on March 24, 2008, 08:46 AM | #

Care to point out some examples of this phenomenon? I’ve yet to encounter it outside diabloblanco’s and apparently now your fevered imaginations.

How am I supposed to cite examples?  A Moshe Rothberg will not claim to be a Nordicist and argue that southern Europeans are non-white.  Hiding behind the anonymity of the internet, Moshe will claim to be Joos van den Eshof, and then proceed.  If you regularly read majorityrights, you will eventually observe this for yourself, provided that you are familiar with the subversive and deceptive nature of many members of the tribe.

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Posted by Darren on March 24, 2008, 09:29 AM | #

There is no easy way to use genetic justification to definitively exclude the Ashkenazi from European mankind while including other southern Europeans.  Of course, one could exclude southern Europeans to make the matter easy, and Nordicists certainly wouldn’t be complaining, but much of European history and achievement has occurred in southern Europe, and southern European goyim are not undermining the welfare of northern Europeans

The answer to this is pretty easy: the native ethnic composition of Europe should be respected. No Slavs in Scandinavia. No English in Russia. Etc. Thus, by this definition, Jews do not have a clear genetic claim to Europe.

As for America, its a little more complicated, but the same logic could be used. The population groups that define White America are pretty easy to list and those should be the ones that define who is and isn’t White in American society. Jews have very little claim, in terms of genetic contribution, to White America.

That is the definition, I think, we should use.

People should keep in mind that some “Nordicists” recommending the exclusion of southern Europeans are Jews trying to prevent whites from organizing against them.  So I recommend that genetic justification be largely ignored.

Nordicists have every right to preserve their bloodlines, in my feeling, and every other population of Europeans have a right to preserve their own strains.

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Posted by James Bowery on March 24, 2008, 10:02 AM | #

Coincidentally, from the General Social Survey data The Inductivist recently finds:

‘Jews are interesting because one might predict that most of them would answer white since almost all of them self-identify as white, but more blacks and Mexicans than Jews think they have a lot in common with whites! A noticeable number of Jews feel they are very much like blacks: presumably, these folks are thinking of histories of abuse by white Christians.’

If there is a genetic explanation for this, which I believe there is, then it isn’t necessary to posit a distinction by what we think of as geographic race.  There are many genetic maladies that occur within a race.  Tay-Sachs is one such malady.  There may be others similarly clustered.  I’ve commented before that it would be a great boon to identify these genes and their corresponding group metabolic pathways that lead to human ecology horrors like the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.  It may be that there are very simple things that can be done to render these group metabolic pathways null and void if only we understood their real structure.

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Posted by captainchaos on March 24, 2008, 11:48 AM | #

James Bowery: “It may be there are very simple things that can be done to render these group metabolic pathways null and void if only we understood their real structure.”

What do you mean by “group metabolic pathways”?

Also, if you have any more or less well refined speculation concerning the “real structure” of the “group metabolic pathways” of Jewish virulence I’d be interested in hearing it.

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Posted by Friedrich Braun on March 24, 2008, 12:27 PM | #

Are Jews white?

This question of course depends on how one defines “white”. If one considers “white” synonymous with “Caucasoid”, then Jews are white. However, if one accepts the traditional definition of whites as people of European descent, Jews are clearly non-white.


Jews are genetically distinct from Europeans
Studies of the Y-chromosome, mtDNA, and autosomal markers have demonstrated that Ashkenazic Jews derive most of their ancestry from the Middle East and have little in common genetically with the Europeans among whom they live.

Y DNA
Hammer et al. (2000) estimated that Ashkenazi male lineages are about 77% Jewish / Middle Eastern. A 23% European male admixture amounts to an accretion of less than 0.5% per generation. A newer study estimates an even lower European male contribution:

admixture analysis . . . suggests that 5%–8% of the Ashkenazi gene pool is . . . comprised of Y chromosomes that may have introgressed from non-Jewish European populations (Behar et al. Contrasting patterns of Y chromosome variation in Ashkenazi Jewish and host non-Jewish European populations. Hum Genet. 2004 Mar;114(4):354-65. Epub 2004 Jan 22.)

mtDNA
Recent research shows that the Ashkenazic maternal gene pool is also predominantly Near Eastern in origin, with minor European admixture.

While several Ashkenazi Jewish mtDNA Hgs appear to derive from the Near East, there is also evidence for a low level of introgression from host European non-Jewish populations. . . . diversity patterns provide evidence for a prolonged period of low effective size in the history of the Ashkenazi population. The data best fit a model of an early bottleneck (~100 generations ago), perhaps corresponding to initial migrations of ancestral Ashkenazim in the Near East or to Europe. . . . The observed mutational frequency peak for the Ashkenazi and Near Eastern non-Jewish populations is similar and consistent with the age of the Pleistocene expansion, which is older than that inferred from the mutational frequency peak for European non- Jews. This is consistent with a Near East origin for a major portion of the Ashkenazi Jewish mtDNA pool. (Behar et al. MtDNA evidence for a genetic bottleneck in the early history of the Ashkenazi Jewish population. Eur J Hum Genet. 2004 Jan 14 [Epub ahead of print]. )

Autosomal markers
More than two decades ago, using a small number of ‘classical’ markers, Carmelli and Cavalli-Sforza (1979) found that Jews cluster genetically with Near Easterners.

A wide scatter of the Jews was observed among clusters of non-Jews, probably due to drift [Note: Ashkenazis fall squarely within the Near Eastern cluster, with various Jewish isolates being the outliers]. However, the centroid of the Jewish populations mapped in the Middle East cluster. . . . We can conclude by using Rh and Hp frequencies that the Jewish populations show a greater similarity to their ancestral origin. According to Mourant et al. (1976), “Jews from Europe, almost indistinguishable from their European non-Jewish neighbors by their ABO and MN groups, show by their Rh groups that physically they are more nearly related to their Mediterranean ancestors.”

Carmelli and Cavalli-Sforza did conclude that Ashkenazi have “significant” European admixture, but it should be understood that half the markers in this study involved the ABO and MN blood groups. The ABO system in particular is thought to respond selectively to epidemic disease. The authors even mention that “it should also be noted that if genetic similarity between a Jewish group and non-Jewish groups living in the same geographic area is restricted to one or a few loci, it is not observed at most other loci; the more likely interpretation calls for convergent selection at that locus rather than for admixture. Thus, single locus studes are potentially misleading. Unfortunately, the number of loci studied here is not large.”

Motulsky (1980), using a larger number of markers, estimated that Ashkenazi have only 12.5% European admixture; and, since it’s also likely that some of the loci used here were subject to selection, even this lower estimate may overstate the actual level of European admixture.

More here:

http://www.white-history.com/refuting_rm/2.html

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Posted by john on March 24, 2008, 05:26 PM | #

Jews are white when it’s tactically or strategically advantageous to be white. They’re non-white when that’s advantageous. It’s the same with regard to the question of race/ethnicity vs. religion.

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Posted by Robert Reis on March 24, 2008, 11:25 PM | #

Hard Right
Gay porn’s neocon kingpin.

James Kirchick,  The New Republic Published: Wednesday, March 26, 2008

Porn magnate Michael Lucas (second from right) in the Holy Land.This was not what Patrick Cordova had bargained for. The Stanford junior, a member of the school’s student government, had wanted to host a lecture on sexual health. And he figured that a provocative and fun way to tackle the issue would be to bring a prominent pornographer to speak on campus. So Cordova sent out some invitations. The first person he heard back from was Michael Lucas—longtime porn actor and director of such films as Hunt & Plunge, The Bigger The Better, and Fire Island Cruising (editions one through eight). A fixture in New York nightlife and head of his own production company, Lucas is one of the biggest names in gay porn. His 2006 epic La Dolce Vita had a $250, 000 budget, which Lucas says makes it the most expensive porn film in history. The movie garnered best-picture honors at the annual GAYVN Awards, the Oscars of gay porn. (It also garnered a lawsuit from the company that controls the rights to the original Fellini film.) New York magazine has dubbed him the “last of the New York porn moguls.”

Lucas—a staunch advocate of safe sex who, unlike some porn directors, uses condoms in his movies—sounded like exactly the kind of guest speaker Cordova had in mind. “We were hoping that people would embrace his ideas on sexual identity and sexual health,” Cordova told me. But, after Stanford had already booked him, controversy erupted. Some students felt that Lucas shouldn’t have been invited to lecture. By the day of his speech, the storm surrounding Lucas had made its way into the pages of The Stanford Daily, where organizers found themselves defending the invitation against the protests of their outraged peers.

What had provoked such heated debate? It wasn’t Lucas’s porn. It was his politics. Lucas, it turns out, is a fervent supporter of Israel and a harsh, often offensive, critic of the Muslim world. He has called the Koran “today’s Mein Kampf” and regularly inveighs against Muslim homophobia and anti-Semitism in less-than-charming terms. “It totally escapes me how gay people can side with burqa-wearing, jihad-screaming, Koran-crazed Muslims,” he opined last year. At the talk itself, which took place this past Valentine’s Day and drew an audience of about 50, Lucas stuck to his guns. “What’s the point to respect their culture, or supposed culture, when they have a strong contempt for mine?” Lucas asked. And he wasn’t content to leave it at that. The day after he spoke, he published an op-ed in The Stanford Daily responding to the charge that he is racist. “I never in my life said or wrote a bad word about Arabs—go read any of my articles,” he explained. “My criticism was always addressed towards the religion and ideology of Islam. So I would like to ask Stanford students not to exploit the word ‘racism’ at their own convenience.”

The Stanford controversy wasn’t an isolated incident. Over the past few years, Lucas has developed a side career in political commentary to go along with his more lucrative day job. He frequently updates his blog with thoughts on world affairs, writes a regular op-ed column for The New York Blade (a gay newspaper), and has feuded with the popular, liberal gay blog Queerty. “I would be better financially if I didn’t open my mouth,” he tells me. And, yet, Lucas can’t seem to help himself.



Born Andrei Bregman to a secular Jewish family in Russia, Lucas is a graduate of Moscow State Law Academy. But he always craved celebrity, and the allure of fame enticed him to Berlin in 1995 to work as a model and prostitute. He came to the United States in 1997 and founded Lucas Entertainment the following year, eventually earning enough to move his parents and grandparents from Russia—“the putrid country of my birth”—to New York. Ever the resourceful entrepreneur, he put his father to work as a set constructor on his films.

I had read about Lucas in gay magazines like The Advocate and Out, and had met him when he gave a talk about the porn industry at Yale, where I was a student at the time. But it wasn’t until last spring—when Lucas began writing his column for the Blade—that I realized how obsessed he was with international affairs. To be sure, Lucas writes about other topics as well. On his blog, interspersed between hard-core photos, he comments on everything from professional boxing (“I would not be surprised if the majority of boxers are repressed gay or bisexual men”) to the dumbing-down of society (“half the people you speak to think Pol Pot is something you buy at Home Depot”). But it is Middle Eastern politics that captivates him most.

When I called Lucas to arrange an interview, he said he was a longtime subscriber to The New Republic, and, arriving at his Manhattan office, I found The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and The Times of London spread out on his glass desk. (I couldn’t tell if the papers were there to impress, were film props, or were actual reading material.) When Lucas, who turns 36 this month, does wear clothes, he tends toward the form-fitting, and he sported a sharply tailored suit for our interview. He has a strong Russian accent, which is very much on display in his films. As we spoke, he occasionally paused to yell instructions at his publicist. Meanwhile, models entered and exited the room, slamming doors in search of sex toys.

You wouldn’t know it from watching his movies—which are apolitical—but Lucas has opinions on everything. He is a fan of David Brooks and the late Oriana Fallaci (though he acknowledges her homophobia), thought the Iraq war was a bad idea (“the wrong target”), considers the press soft in portraying Islamist terrorism (“it’s very upsetting that they don’t allow people to see the beheadings”), loves Nicolas Sarkozy (“I think Marc Jacobs told me that Sarkozy went to synagogue”), and hates Jimmy Carter (“this fucking peanut farmer”). While he originally disagreed with Russia’s brutal policies toward Chechnya, he now believes that America could learn something from Vladimir Putin. “The American Army can’t take Fallujah?” Lucas asks me, incredulous. “Level it!”

He criticizes Republicans, whom he calls “homophobic and anti-Semitic,” while labeling ultraOrthodox Israelis “anal warts on the body of Israeli society.” But the true objects of his ire are gay liberals whom he sees as overly sympathetic to the Arab side in the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Like many Russian Jews who were forced to repress their identity under Soviet rule, Lucas’s Jewish heritage is the anchor of his worldview. He visits Israel annually. Not long after touching down there last month, he penned a manifesto on his website titled, “I stand with Israel, I stand with Jews.” Shortly after the Lebanon war in 2006, he put on a live sex performance in a Tel Aviv nightclub where IDF members were given free admission (“in the tradition of American USO-style shows,” as a Lucas press release described it).

“He’s so deeply invested in, and in love with, his roots and his people,” says Heather Fink, a former publicist for Lucas who is writing a memoir about her experience working for him. But, she adds, “I think it’s very hard for him to empathize with Muslim people, and he does sometimes write them off.” That’s a gross understatement. Last year, in his Blade column, Lucas hailed gay artist Charles Merrill’s decision to burn a rare copy of the Koran, estimated to be worth $60,000, and, in a subsequent radio interview, called the Koran an “absolutely evil book.”

Sometime after visiting Lucas, I received a package from his company. Expecting it to be Lucas’s latest cinematic masterpiece, I instead found a copy of Lee Harris’s The Suicide of Reason: Radical Islam’s Threat to the West.



Like the Stanford students who thought they were putting together a lecture on safe sex only to find themselves embroiled in a controversy over Islam, members of the porn community have learned a lot recently about Lucas’s views on international affairs—probably more than most of them care to know. Unlike Stanford, however, the porn world is a place where people say and do outrageous things for a living. No wonder that, according to most of the porn community insiders I spoke with, the industry seems to be greeting Lucas’s emergence as a pundit with a collective shrug.

These insiders tend to view Lucas’s punditry as a mere extension of his brash personal style—a style that has led to frosty relations with other pornographers. Several years ago, Lucas told sex shop owners in New York that he would stop distributing his movies to them if they continued to stock those of a rival, a former Lucas actor with whom he had fallen out. “The entire industry is terrified of Michael Lucas,” an employee of a competing studio tells me, before politely explaining that’s all he can say. “He’s from the East Coast,” says Mark Kernes, a senior editor at Adult Video News. “Us people on the West Coast are more laid back.”

Lucas’s website describes him as “the epitome of the American Dream,” and, in some ways, that’s true. Americans, particularly immigrants, are experts at borrowing from different cultures in order to create something new. In the end, that capacity for borrowing may help explain Michael Lucas: He has married the pornographer’s taste for the outrageous to the brash self-assuredness of an immigrant entrepreneur to the ethnic nationalism of a Russian Jew to the subject matter of Bernard Lewis. And if the results are sometimes ridiculous or noxious—well, that’s the American way.

James Kirchick is an assistant editor at The New Republic.

 

 





Copyright © 2007 The New Republic. All rights reserved.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on March 25, 2008, 08:21 AM | #

Referring to Robert Reis’ comment above:

“eventually earning enough to move his parents and grandparents from Russia — ‘the putrid country of my birth’ — to New York,” the fairly decent city of my own birth which the Jews, Andrei Bregman’s co-tribalists, have succeeded in making into a putrid cesspool as they do every Euro city and every Euro country they gain influence over:  it’s called Weimarization.  Jews do not like health in a goy society because health in a goy society signifies anti-Semitism in their twisted way of viewing the world.  So in goy society they fight for everything decadent and sick to have ascendancy over everything normal, sane, and healthy.  Thus do we constantly hear nostalgic praise from Jewish writers and commentators for what they call the “decadent Berlin of the 1920s and early ‘30s” (“early ‘30s” meaning until 1933 when the National Socialists began cleaning up the decadence, degenerateness, and misery so beloved of the Jews of that era and the Jews of today):  they would have hated a healthy Berlin then, as they hate a healthy New York now.  They adore genuine decadence and degenerateness and they fear and loathe societal normalness and societal health.  If any Euro country wishes to remain healthy, normal, and sane, the worst mistake it can make is to let lots of Jews settle.  New York City, my home town, which had the potential to be one of the truly great cities in the world, today is a cesspool no sane white person wants to live in.  It is a cesspool largely because of the United States’s Jewish community fighting savagely every step of the way to bring degenerateness to the fore in American society.  Thanks, Jews!  Wow, what great American citizens you’ve turned out to be!  Those WASPs in the 1880s who said not to admit your tribe in any significant numbers turned out to be so wrong, while those who said you’d make great U.S. citizens turned out to be sooooooo right!!!  If only that were so.  The truth is you, the Jews, have given the lie to those Americans in the 1880s who defended you, saying you’d make great citizens.  You’ve given the lie to those of your Jewish ancestors in Europe in the early 1800s who in petitioning for equal rights as citizens for Jews, said Jews would make good citizens and countries granting them equal rights as citizens wouldn’t be disappointed.  You’ve proven them all wrong.  You should be ashamed of yourselves:  you’ve reneged on the promises of your own ancestors, you’ve made liars of those WASPs who defended you when you wanted to enter the U.S., and you’ve disgraced your tribe by your behavior. 

Hasidic Jews are excluded from this criticism, as are those Orthodox Jews and Conservative Jews who are actually Orthodox and Conservative instead of laughably fake-Orthodox like Senator Joe Lieberman and fake-Conservative like that “Conservative” congregation that organized social functions specifically aimed at helping homosexuals find homosexual “star-crossed love.”  Sane, moral Jews are of course excluded from the above criticism.  The problem is you can’t seem to get only that kind of Jew when you let them into your country.  You get way more of the other kind — to the point where you can kiss your country good-bye ... what’s left of it ...

Give U.S. Jews Florida and the southern half of California, far more than enough land to support their 5½ million in population.  Let them make those into New World Israels the way the U.S. and Canada were made into New World Europes.  Invite them all to move there and to keep strictly out of the rest of the United States.  Once they’re out of the rest of the U.S. it can be cleaned up and made normal and healthy once again, a place where Euros would actually wish to live.  The way it used to be, in other words, before the catastrophic, truly nightmarish 1960s advent of Jewish hegemony over this country.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on March 25, 2008, 08:32 AM | #

And if Jews don’t want the southern half of California on grounds it’s all Mexican, too bad:  they’re the ones who made it that way.  It used to be all white till they ruined it.  As the retail-store clerk’s saying goes, “You broke it, you’ve bought it!”

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Posted by dimwitted non-entity on March 25, 2008, 09:07 AM | #

“Give U.S. Jews Florida and the southern half of California, far more than enough land to support their 5½ million in population.”

We, non-Jews, are in no position to give the Jews anything. Why would the Jews agree to be relocated into Florida and the southern half of California when they already control the entire USA and Canada? I don’t mean to start an argument with you, Fred, but isn’t it evident the left (controlled mainly by Jews) has a visegrip on our culture? We now live in a culture dominated by protected groups. People in general are so afraid of offending anyone who is a “protected group” that they simply go along to get along—the thought police see to it. The landscape is littered with bodies that dare challenge the left ... we are all familiar with the victims’ names. We all know the only unprotected group are heterosexual white males—or anyone of any ethnic stripe who challenges PC orthodoxy, eg,. Clarence Thomas, Michael Savage, Laura Schlessinger, David Duke, Ward Connerly, Tammy Bruce, etc. etc. etc.

The left used incrementalism, ie quasi-Fabian-socialism, to get us to where we are today. It will require incrementalism to untangle the mess we’re in. The question remains as to how to go about throwing off the PC burden we are being persecuted under?

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on March 25, 2008, 11:21 AM | #

To “Dim-witted Non-entity”:  nothing in my comment is inconsistent with your comment’s last paragraph.  Ideas precede revolutions.  By all means, let’s go incrementally.  And when we arrive at the stage for making a final disposition of matters, let’s insist Jews and Euros live in separate countries, for the reason that Jews don’t know how to behave when living in Euro countries.  If your roommate constantly tries to assassinate you it’s time to change roommates and bar that particular one from ever being your roommate again.

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Posted by James Bowery on March 25, 2008, 01:03 PM | #

captainchaos asks: What do you mean by “group metabolic pathways”?

If you think of group evolution as a kind of primitive cellular evolution, then “metabolic pathway” has the same meaning it does within cells:  The totality of genetic interactions within a cell leading to expression of cellular phenotypes.  Of course, when we are talking about groups of humans forming “cells” these metabolic pathways may include what Dawkins called Extended Phenotypes—phenotypes that extend beyond the bodies of the humans to form phenomena in their environment, including shaping the characteristics of other humans in ways that are adaptive for the genes so expressing themselves.

There are many candidates for such “group metabolic pathways” from genes or genetic correlation structures to ultimate phenotypes in human ecologies—but I’ll give one possible example now:

As described by Kevin MacDonald in “Understanding Jewish Influence II: Zionism and the Internal Dynamics of Judaism” Occidental Quarterly, vol. 3 no. 3:

These groups were highly authoritarian—another fundamental feature of Jewish social organization.  * Rabbis and other elite members of the community had extraordinary power over other Jews in traditional societies—literally the power of life and death.

A possible group metabolic pathway for such “rabbinic messianism” to arise within a minority population is alteration of parental behaviors to include parental posturing toward the general population, constrained only by destruction of the general population or prohabitions against the subpopulation. Within the Jewish community, this would mean relatively coevolved alloparenting toward members of the Jewish in-group, and outside the Jewish community it would take the form of historic examples of alloparenting behavior toward populations that were unwilling to suffer such impositions.

If this were to be the case one should look for genes that mediate parenting behavior including gender specific influences, and find alleles that may produce strange forms of alloparenting.

An example of such a gene has been identified in the case of the mouse where both male and female parenting behavior is profoundly and specifically affected by “knocking out” the progesterone receptor gene.  In male mice inhibiting progesterone has an enormous effect on parenting behavior—eliciting infant-attraction.

In the example theory given above, tests of the theory would attempt to find a high incidence of unusual progesterone receptor genes, and/or epistatic influences on same, among Jewish subpopulations.
 
In the absence of systematic studies of Jewish population genetics, anecdotal reports inform us of promising avenues in which to invest. In the case of progesterone mediation and infant-attraction, there are anecdotal reports, usually labeled “anti-Semitic canards” of a high degree of pedophilia among Jewish males.  Although leadership in pedophilic circles is often focused on sensational events involving individuals such as the arrest of Issac Asimov’s son, there is quite a body of evidence building that this behavior is indemic among rabbis. While reports in the press, and portrayals in the motion picture industry, are predominantly of pedophilia by males seen as competing for resources with Jews, such as landed rural males (competing for women and political influence) and Catholic priests (competing for the moral high ground), one must remember that the media outlets are influenced far more by Jews than those with whom they compete for resources. Is this a case of what psychologists call “projection”?

More systematic study of the ancestral and religious background of child molesters is necessary, but it is clear that progesterone is a mediating factor in child molestation. As in male mice, the presence of progesterone inhibits infant-philic behavior human males so much that medroxyprogesterone acetate is even used to reduce child molester recidivism.

If a Jewish tendency toward child molestation is born out by statistical evidence and additional investigation of population genetics shows a substantial presence of progesterone antagonism alleles within Jewish males, those alleles are the basis for a hypothesis; testable against competing theories via what is often called the strong inference methodology.

Strong inference takes several competing theories, and tests them all in a standard—or statistically fair—way. The theory that still stands after this standard is applied to all theories is strongly inferred to be the winning theory—or best theory. It may yet be incorrect—as with any theory: merely awaiting the test that will possibly falsify it.  However, such a theory is the best for further investment.

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Posted by Robert Reis on March 25, 2008, 02:26 PM | #

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/966952.html
Last update - 12:06 21/03/2008  


Shattering a ‘national mythology’ 

By Ofri Ilani

Tags: Palestinians  

Of all the national heroes who have arisen from among the Jewish people over the generations, fate has not been kind to Dahia al-Kahina, a leader of the Berbers in the Aures Mountains. Although she was a proud Jewess, few Israelis have ever heard the name of this warrior-queen who, in the seventh century C.E., united a number of Berber tribes and pushed back the Muslim army that invaded North Africa. It is possible that the reason for this is that al-Kahina was the daughter of a Berber tribe that had converted to Judaism, apparently several generations before she was born, sometime around the 6th century C.E.

According to the Tel Aviv University historian, Prof. Shlomo Sand, author of “Matai ve’ech humtza ha’am hayehudi?” (“When and How the Jewish People Was Invented?”; Resling, in Hebrew), the queen’s tribe and other local tribes that converted to Judaism are the main sources from which Spanish Jewry sprang. This claim that the Jews of North Africa originated in indigenous tribes that became Jewish - and not in communities exiled from Jerusalem - is just one element of the far- reaching argument set forth in Sand’s new book.

In this work, the author attempts to prove that the Jews now living in Israel and other places in the world are not at all descendants of the ancient people who inhabited the Kingdom of Judea during the First and Second Temple period. Their origins, according to him, are in varied peoples that converted to Judaism during the course of history, in different corners of the Mediterranean Basin and the adjacent regions. Not only are the North African Jews for the most part descendants of pagans who converted to Judaism, but so are the Jews of Yemen (remnants of the Himyar Kingdom in the Arab Peninsula, who converted to Judaism in the fourth century) and the Ashkenazi Jews of Eastern Europe (refugees from the Kingdom of the Khazars, who converted in the eighth century).
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Unlike other “new historians” who have tried to undermine the assumptions of Zionist historiography, Sand does not content himself with going back to 1948 or to the beginnings of Zionism, but rather goes back thousands of years. He tries to prove that the Jewish people never existed as a “nation-race” with a common origin, but rather is a colorful mix of groups that at various stages in history adopted the Jewish religion. He argues that for a number of Zionist ideologues, the mythical perception of the Jews as an ancient people led to truly racist thinking: “There were times when if anyone argued that the Jews belong to a people that has gentile origins, he would be classified as an anti-Semite on the spot. Today, if anyone dares to suggest that those who are considered Jews in the world ... have never constituted and still do not constitute a people or a nation - he is immediately condemned as a hater of Israel.”

According to Sand, the description of the Jews as a wandering and self-isolating nation of exiles, “who wandered across seas and continents, reached the ends of the earth and finally, with the advent of Zionism, made a U-turn and returned en masse to their orphaned homeland,” is nothing but “national mythology.” Like other national movements in Europe, which sought out a splendid Golden Age, through which they invented a heroic past - for example, classical Greece or the Teutonic tribes - to prove they have existed since the beginnings of history, “so, too, the first buds of Jewish nationalism blossomed in the direction of the strong light that has its source in the mythical Kingdom of David.”

So when, in fact, was the Jewish people invented, in Sand’s view? At a certain stage in the 19th century, intellectuals of Jewish origin in Germany, influenced by the folk character of German nationalism, took upon themselves the task of inventing a people “retrospectively,” out of a thirst to create a modern Jewish people. From historian Heinrich Graetz on, Jewish historians began to draw the history of Judaism as the history of a nation that had been a kingdom, became a wandering people and ultimately turned around and went back to its birthplace.

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Sand: “My initial intention was to take certain kinds of modern historiographic materials and examine how they invented the ‘figment’ of the Jewish people. But when I began to confront the historiographic sources, I suddenly found contradictions. And then that urged me on: I started to work, without knowing where I would end up. I took primary sources and I tried to examine authors’ references in the ancient period - what they wrote about conversion.”

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Inventing the Diaspora

“After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people remained faithful to it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom” - thus states the preamble to the Israeli Declaration of Independence. This is also the quotation that opens the third chapter of Sand’s book, entitled “The Invention of the Diaspora.” Sand argues that the Jewish people’s exile from its land never happened.

“The supreme paradigm of exile was needed in order to construct a long-range memory in which an imagined and exiled nation-race was posited as the direct continuation of ‘the people of the Bible’ that preceded it,” Sand explains. Under the influence of other historians who have dealt with the same issue in recent years, he argues that the exile of the Jewish people is originally a Christian myth that depicted that event as divine punishment imposed on the Jews for having rejected the Christian gospel.

“I started looking in research studies about the exile from the land - a constitutive event in Jewish history, almost like the Holocaust. But to my astonishment I discovered that it has no literature. The reason is that no one exiled the people of the country. The Romans did not exile peoples and they could not have done so even if they had wanted to. They did not have trains and trucks to deport entire populations. That kind of logistics did not exist until the 20th century. From this, in effect, the whole book was born: in the realization that Judaic society was not dispersed and was not exiled.”

If the people was not exiled, are you saying that in fact the real descendants of the inhabitants of the Kingdom of Judah are the Palestinians?

“No population remains pure over a period of thousands of years. But the chances that the Palestinians are descendants of the ancient Judaic people are much greater than the chances that you or I are its descendents. The first Zionists, up until the Arab Revolt [1936-9], knew that there had been no exiling, and that the Palestinians were descended from the inhabitants of the land. They knew that farmers don’t leave until they are expelled. Even Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, the second president of the State of Israel, wrote in 1929 that, ‘the vast majority of the peasant farmers do not have their origins in the Arab conquerors, but rather, before then, in the Jewish farmers who were numerous and a majority in the building of the land.’”

And how did millions of Jews appear around the Mediterranean Sea?

“The people did not spread, but the Jewish religion spread. Judaism was a converting religion. Contrary to popular opinion, in early Judaism there was a great thirst to convert others. The Hasmoneans were the first to begin to produce large numbers of Jews through mass conversion, under the influence of Hellenism. The conversions between the Hasmonean Revolt and Bar Kochba’s rebellion are what prepared the ground for the subsequent, wide-spread dissemination of Christianity. After the victory of Christianity in the fourth century, the momentum of conversion was stopped in the Christian world, and there was a steep drop in the number of Jews. Presumably many of the Jews who appeared around the Mediterranean became Christians. But then Judaism started to permeate other regions - pagan regions, for example, such as Yemen and North Africa. Had Judaism not continued to advance at that stage and had it not continued to convert people in the pagan world, we would have remained a completely marginal religion, if we survived at all.”

How did you come to the conclusion that the Jews of North Africa were originally Berbers who converted?

“I asked myself how such large Jewish communities appeared in Spain. And then I saw that Tariq ibn Ziyad, the supreme commander of the Muslims who conquered Spain, was a Berber, and most of his soldiers were Berbers. Dahia al-Kahina’s Jewish Berber kingdom had been defeated only 15 years earlier. And the truth is there are a number of Christian sources that say many of the conquerors of Spain were Jewish converts. The deep-rooted source of the large Jewish community in Spain was those Berber soldiers who converted to Judaism.”

Sand argues that the most crucial demographic addition to the Jewish population of the world came in the wake of the conversion of the kingdom of Khazaria - a huge empire that arose in the Middle Ages on the steppes along the Volga River, which at its height ruled over an area that stretched from the Georgia of today to Kiev. In the eighth century, the kings of the Khazars adopted the Jewish religion and made Hebrew the written language of the kingdom. From the 10th century the kingdom weakened; in the 13th century is was utterly defeated by Mongol invaders, and the fate of its Jewish inhabitants remains unclear.

Sand revives the hypothesis, which was already suggested by historians in the 19th and 20th centuries, according to which the Judaized Khazars constituted the main origins of the Jewish communities in Eastern Europe.

“At the beginning of the 20th century there is a tremendous concentration of Jews in Eastern Europe - three million Jews in Poland alone,” he says. “The Zionist historiography claims that their origins are in the earlier Jewish community in Germany, but they do not succeed in explaining how a small number of Jews who came from Mainz and Worms could have founded the Yiddish people of Eastern Europe. The Jews of Eastern Europe are a mixture of Khazars and Slavs who were pushed eastward.”

‘Degree of perversion’

If the Jews of Eastern Europe did not come from Germany, why did they speak Yiddish, which is a Germanic language?

“The Jews were a class of people dependent on the German bourgeoisie in the East, and thus they adopted German words. Here I base myself on the research of linguist Paul Wechsler of Tel Aviv University, who has demonstrated that there is no etymological connection between the German Jewish language of the Middle Ages and Yiddish. As far back as 1828, the Ribal (Rabbi Isaac Ber Levinson) said that the ancient language of the Jews was not Yiddish. Even Ben Zion Dinur, the father of Israeli historiography, was not hesitant about describing the Khazars as the origin of the Jews in Eastern Europe, and describes Khazaria as ‘the mother of the diasporas’ in Eastern Europe. But more or less since 1967, anyone who talks about the Khazars as the ancestors of the Jews of Eastern Europe is considered naive and moonstruck.”

Why do you think the idea of the Khazar origins is so threatening?

“It is clear that the fear is of an undermining of the historic right to the land. The revelation that the Jews are not from Judea would ostensibly knock the legitimacy for our being here out from under us. Since the beginning of the period of decolonization, settlers have no longer been able to say simply: ‘We came, we won and now we are here’ the way the Americans, the whites in South Africa and the Australians said. There is a very deep fear that doubt will be cast on our right to exist.”

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Posted by Nux Gnomica on March 25, 2008, 03:37 PM | #

Interesting stuff, James. But I hope you realize you’re committing a crime by speculating along those lines.

Anti-Semitism, Sexual Abuse, and The Jewish Community

When it comes to child molestation, we need to say and believe in our hearts—“NEVER AGAIN!” We need to do this in a public venue. It’s the only way for things to change. Yes, anti-Semitic groups have, and will continue to use any information they can get their hands on to promote hate. Yes, they have used some of the information posted on The Awareness Center’s web page. When this occurs, The Awareness Center’s policy is to make reports to the FBI (http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp), and to encourage others to do the same. Don’t forget—hate is a crime in the United States, as in many other countries. Hate is a topic we need to speak out publicly about, just as we do about childhood sexual abuse. We need to do our part by reporting all forms of violent behavior, including hate crimes on the Internet.

http://theawarenesscenter.org/

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Posted by WLindsayWheeler on March 25, 2008, 05:24 PM | #

Is there such a thing as a “Brown” race?  Is there such a thing as a “Yellow” Race?

Is it not kind of moronic to name races by “color”? Is that not simpleton?

Doesn’t Race follow closely the taxonomy of Language?  Don’t we say “Frenchmen” because they speak “French”? and they reside in Europe?  Don’t we say “German” because they speak, German?  All these groups are called “Indo-Europeans”.  I will never use the “Color” to describe a race. For me there is NO such thing as a “White” race. I’m Indo-European.  NOT White!

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Posted by Guessedworker on March 25, 2008, 06:36 PM | #

Actually you are a European Caucasian.

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Posted by captainchaos on March 25, 2008, 06:47 PM | #

James Bowery: thanks for the info., most informative.

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Posted by Fr. John on March 26, 2008, 09:43 AM | #

The folks over at AMREN and Jared Taylor especially, are ‘traif.’

Unclean…. and liars, all.


John 8:44

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Posted by dimmest of majorityrights groupies on March 26, 2008, 10:12 AM | #

And if Jews don’t want the southern half of California on grounds it’s all Mexican, too bad:  they’re the ones who made it that way.  It used to be all white till they ruined it.  As the retail-store clerk’s saying goes, “You broke it, you’ve bought it!”

Bravo, Fred!

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Posted by Bo on March 26, 2008, 01:43 PM | #

Dimwitted Non-Entity said yesterday:  “...isn’t it evident the left (controlled mainly by Jews) has a visegrip on our culture? We now live in a culture dominated by protected groups. People in general are so afraid of offending anyone who is a “protected group” that they simply go along to get along—the thought police see to it. The landscape is littered with bodies that dare challenge the left ... we are all familiar with the victims’ names.”

At some point, white American, Canadian, Australian, and European peoples are going to have to sort out posters to discern their purposes. For example, one frequent line is “blame the whites” for their losses in prestige and self-confidence. This is a message of despair and it is demoralizing to boot. When spotted, the poster should be denounced for injuring our folk as we develop tactics in this conflict.

Another example is “it’s too late” to make changes. Mark Steyn embodies this propaganda line and, when noticed, the poster and his message should be denounced.

Another example is “we can’t challenge the left” which is totally inaccurate. People who spread this line should be denounced. Our group on the west coast has pioneered a way to challenge the left by a combination of “attacking from the left” and “criticizing the individual, not the group.” This is not a difficult skill set.

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Posted by dimwitted non-entity on March 26, 2008, 02:51 PM | #

“When spotted, the poster should be denounced for injuring our folk as we develop tactics in this conflict.”

First of all we, we have to identify the enimie and then fully understand the nature of enemy we are in conflict with. Who are are our enemies, and what are their strengths and weaknesses? HOW CAN WE FIGHT THE BEAST??? The smartest minds are still groping for answers.

Bo, who and or or what do you beleive we are fighting against?

What tactics, if any, have been developed so far to fight back with? The Internet?

I’m ready to fight!

One thing for sure, the enimie is drowning us in a sea of color and time is running out.

We can gage by demographic trends where we stand in this battle to survive.

Sorry, but can’t win this thing by hiding from the truth. Hiding from the truth is what the live-in-a-bubble-white-liberals do.

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Posted by dimmestofthedimmestdimwits on March 26, 2008, 04:41 PM | #

For example, one frequent line is “blame the whites” for their losses in prestige and self-confidence. This is a message of despair and it is demoralizing to boot. When spotted, the poster should be denounced for injuring our folk as we develop tactics in this conflict.

Ah yes, foundational conservatism – the default position for which is fear.  Always, fear.  People like that are thin-skinned, sensitive, adverse to physical work, and easily demoralized.  Let’s direct our appeal to those people – the fence sitters, the wait and see before crawling out of bed crowd, the pensioners, the little dividending upper middle class wannabes, and if we’re really slick about it, a few yuppies.  They are the important ones, the people who really matter, the elite.  How so?  Because they are going to vote us out this situation without us having to lift a finger.  They are going to Secretly Infiltrate The System and Takeover!  Plus, well, they say they have high IQs!  And we’re impressed by that!  And we can use IQ to justify not only our failure to provide leadership, but their failure as well!  We certainly don’t want to alienate those people by saying they are morally culpable for the present situation.  After all that could turn on us, resulting in an indictment of our easy online racialism.  That would be truly, truly demoralizing and just plain goes too far!  After all, book sales are up!  Donations to Linder and Bill White are increasing!  More people are needed to send donations and support us in our important work!  We must denounce all truth-tellers in the strongest terms possible! 

We must continue:

Playing (faux) classist games:

—Hit the ignore button.

Playing the cyber-geek in the basement game:

—“Nigger in the woodpile alert!”
—“Itz Coming!”

Enhancing personal credibility by allying with convicted felons who have:

—Picked Morris Dee’s brains.
—Demonstrated advanced bomb-making skills.
—Sprayed a synagogue or popped a Pilipino letter-carrier.

Yes, denounce!  Preserve the symbiotic nature of the easy online racialist status quo!  That’s the way to do it!  Donations for nothing and tatted chicks for free.

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Posted by inorganicallystupid on March 26, 2008, 06:48 PM | #

Gee, I hope nobody figures out my identity!  Ssshhhh….

Europids -> comprised of two subgroups:

1.  Whites.
2.  Incidental whites.

Whites say, “I’m White.”
Incidental whites say, “I happen to be white.”

Whites value and own wealth.
Incidental whites value and own inflatable money.

Whites value in-Europid collectivism.
Incidental whites value in-Europid individualism.

White altruism extended to Europids first, out-Europid groups last.
Incidental white altruism extended to Europid ingroups first, Europid outgroups last.

Incidental whites are not White until they undergo behavior changes.  Until then, Whites owe them nothing.  Let’s drop the pose of the online status quo, take the moral high ground in word and deed, and become true racial liberators.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on March 26, 2008, 06:52 PM | #

Nice little article on race over at Vdare.com.

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Posted by dimwitted non-entity on March 26, 2008, 07:30 PM | #

“Europids -> comprised of two subgroups:

1.  Whites.
2.  Incidental whites.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thanks for your brilliant insights.

“Whites value and own wealth.”

Do you even know what wealth is? If so, Give examples of what you mean by owning “wealth.”

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Posted by J Richards on March 26, 2008, 08:32 PM | #

My response to Blog Tragic/JWH

Blog tragic has posted a response at his blog where he goes by JWH.  JW’s response is piss-poor, full of strawmen, a rehash of what he posted here, and he doesn’t even link to the page he is critiquing.  His blog doesn’t allow comments.  He also posted his comment after my reply to him, and you can see all the issues that he has ignored.  Great job JW.

That is not surprising, coming from an individual who previously insisted, against all reason, that one of Noah Rosenberg’s earlier STRUCTURE findings showed that South Asians and Middle Easterners were, essentially, genetic Europeans with some East Asian or African “admixture.”

A pathetic strawman!  I argued for a European input into these populations, and didn’t solely rely on the Rosenberg study.  I mentioned that there was corroborating evidence from history and other genetic studies.  In my reply to him above, I mentioned lactase tolerance and SLC24A5 (skin color genetics) as two examples, but JW ignored it.  East Asians have achieved skin lightening via different genetics than Europeans, but why are the major skin lightening genetics in south Asians similar to those in Europeans even though one doesn’t expect natural selection to favor light skin in south Asia?  Why are the lactose tolerance genetics in South Asia similar to those in Europeans when African lactose tolerant populations have achieved the tolerance due to different genetics?  There is a lot more, but JW doesn’t bother. 

I predicted that with further analyses these populations would be distinguished by different predominant ancestries, even independent of “admixture” from East Asians or sub-Saharan Africans. This is clearly shown here.

     

JW mentions the recent Jun Li paper in Science, but he ignores the fact that even with 650,000 markers, the typical Palestinian has a substantial minority membership in the European cluster and many South Asians have a significant minority membership in the European cluster.

The same problem is evident in this latest issue, concerning the Ashkenazim. One study did not have the power to distinguish Ashkenazim from Europeans (particularly southern Europeans); later studies did have that power and thus demonstrated clear distinctions.

JW reiterates what I said and what was mentioned in the papers.  He is not adding any information or countering anything.

Just as the earlier Rosenberg study did not mean that South Asians and Middle Easterners are equivalent to Europeans (outside of “admixture”), so the earlier Seldin work did not mean that Ashkenazim are “southern Europeans.”

Same pathetic strawman as above.  JW doesn’t address the important issue in the Seldin paper, namely that the southern European goyim were closer to the Ashkenazi than to other Europeans (labeled northern), which has been upheld in the latest studies published in 2008.  So how does JW justify putting the southern European goyim with northern Europeans but exclude the Ashkenazi?  He doesn’t.

The later Seldin work continued looking at only Europeans and Jews, but used sufficient markers to cluster Jews separately. Interestingly, the Jews did not fall within the North/South continuum, but were “off” in their “own quadrant,” so to speak (crudely). The Price study also was able to separate Ashkenazi Jews from southern Europeans, never mind from northern Europeans as well.

I told JW to not bother with citing evidence that distinguishes the Ashkenazi from the southern European goyim.  I clearly stated that with sufficient markers closely related populations can be well separated, but this would not by itself justify placing these populations into separate races or justify excluding the Ashkenazi from the European grouping if JW insists on classifying the southern European goyim as European.

See here from Tian et al., Plos Genetics.

Looking at the Northern and Southern European clusters, you’ll find they lie along an upper left-lower right axis. If you look more closely at the designated ethnicities, you’ll also see that this “cluster axis” “just happens to” mirror a Northwest to Southeast geographic axis, with the Irish at one end and the Greeks at the other.

JW tries to convince the reader unfamiliar with principal components analysis. He doesn’t say that the principal component that separated the Ashkenazi from the southern European goyim explains a small fraction of the variance explained by the principal component that separates northern Europeans from the southern European goyim, and keep in mind that northern here includes all Europeans except those from the south.

JW knows very well that two populations within a race will be closer to each other than to a population in another race, and the clear find is that the southern European goyim are closer to the Ashkenazi than to other Europeans.  So how can JW genetically justify including the southern European goyim as part of European mankind but exclude the Ashkenazi?

But it is illogical to state that an interest in the Southern cluster impels one – from a genetic perspective – to also also have an interest in the Ashkenazi cluster.

JW critiques a non-sequitur, which I never implied.

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Posted by J Richards on March 26, 2008, 08:35 PM | #

Reply to JW Part 2 – Salter’s question revisited

This will be a response to JW critiquing a non-sequitur that I never implied.  What are the ethnic genetic interests (EGI) costs to the English when 10,000 Bantu move in vs. when 10,000 Ashkenazi move in?

Blacks first.

The assumption is no Jews in England.

Most English consider blacks to be mentally and morally inferior and don’t fraternize with them.

There is no miscegenation propaganda.  There in no affirmative action, no welfare payouts or other minority handouts.

Crime is strictly dealt with.

Blacks who steal, deal illegal drugs or commit mild assault do hard time and are deported the day their sentence is over.

Blacks who commit serious assault have a choice of life in prison without parole, 15 years in prison + deportation, or 10 years in prison + financial restitution to the victim + deportation.

Blacks who rape white women are hanged in public.  And so on.

What would the EGI loss to the English be?  Some for sure. 

Now the Ashkenazi.

The Ashkenazi quickly end up controlling the supply of illegal drugs and prostitutes, and take over gambling.  They will be looking for high ranking officials that they can ingratiate themselves with by supplying them with drugs, women, children or gambling money, as needed.  These high ranking officials will be “requested” return favors at a later date or blackmailed if they don’t cooperate.

Once the Ashkenazi have enough “friends” among high ranking governing officials, they will urge the establishment of a central bank that issues money.  This central bank will be controlled by the Ashkenazi, of course.  Many governing goyim will “readily back” this proposal.  There will be some opposition, but the opposing figures will meet untimely deaths in the form of “heart attacks,” “suicides” and “accidents.”

The Ashkenazi get their central bank.  Now the government borrows money from them, but the money the Ashkenazi lend it is generated out of nothing, and the government has to pay it all back in real assets plus interest.  The government has to tax the public.

The Ashkenazi set up banks to “help” needy people.  When people request a loan, only 10% of what they grant comprises of their assets; the rest in generated out of thin air, but those who have taken out loans need to pay the principal sum plus interest in real assets.

If there are not enough people lining up to request loans, then the Ashkenazi create “natural disasters” to make people beg them for loans.

The Ashkenazi get filthy rich and acquire more and more resources, especially the media. 

We have inflation, and the economy goes through boom-bust cycles.  Whenever there is a bust, the Ashkenazi buy more resources for dirt cheap.  The public gets more drowned in debt and is less able to afford to raise children.

The Ashkenazi work toward opening the floodgates of Third World immigration.  They especially concentrate on Third Worlders they despise.

The Ashkenazi promote miscegenation propaganda.  When there are enough despised Third Worlders in the West, the Ashkenazi will pit them against the English, creating tension between the groups.

One day the Ashkenazi decide to carry out a “security drill” that will simulate terrorist bombings of public transport facilities.  This is a smokescreen.  They have placed real bombs in strategic locations.  If caught, they will explain them in terms of the “security drill.”  But they are not caught.  The bombs go off and kill a lot of the despised Third Worlders and the English.  Even better, the despised Third Worlders are “found” responsible for the bombs.  Now the English unite and fight the Ashkenazi’s war against the despised Third Worlders, which “incidentally” has almost no Ashkenazi fighters.

And this is just the Ashkenazi warming up.  I could go on, but I think the point should be clear.

   

So what is the answer to Salter’s revisited question?  What is worse for English EGI, 10,000 Bantu moving in or 10,000 Ashkenazi moving in?

JW doesn’t seem to be interested in phenotype, and the phenotype discussed above is behavior.  We can see that in spite of being genetically closer to the English than the Bantu, the Ashkenazi will be much more disastrous to English EGI than the blacks could ever be, even if the blacks came in much greater numbers.  Organized Jewry is not voluntarily giving up its anti-goyim attitudes and diabolical behaviors.

Now let us assume that the Ashkenazi are southeastern European and hence a European people.  The question now is, in JW’s language, from the perspective of EGI, if the English have a genetic interest in all Europeans, do they also have a genetic interest in the Ashkenazi?  The answer is a clear no even though we are operating under the assumption that the Ashkenazi are European.  This is because the Ashkenazi are disastrous for English EGI.  The analogy here is with a dangerous white criminal.  Does this person have a claim to live in free white society while he continues to victimize whites?  Are whites obligated to give him a free reign to do as he pleases because he is white?

All JW needs to do is consider phenotype and he would have fewer reasons to go ballistic when history/research shows the southeastern European/Khazar origin of the Ashkenazi.

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Posted by J Richards on March 26, 2008, 08:38 PM | #

Reply to JW Part 3 - The Jewish dilemma and what best serves white goyim

The religious Ashkenazi want to trace their lineage back 2000 years all the way to the Middle East, but this would make them non-European.  The parasitic Ashkenazi, not necessarily different from the religious Ashkenazi, need hosts to leech from, and the choicest hosts are white goyim, and hence they want to be European so that they have justification to live among Europeans.  So what do the Ashkenazi do?  Whatever; let them deal with it.  We need to focus on what we should do.

Friedrich Braun posted excerpts from “refuting racial myths,” citing evidence that the Ashkenazi are mostly Middle Eastern.  But “refuting racial myths doesn’t know that a lot of this research (Hammer et al., Behar et al., etc.) is fraudulent and useless, and stems from the religious Ashkenazi wanting to trace their lineage to Levi and Aharon.  See the references below.

Zoossmann-Diskin A. Are today’s Jewish priests descended from the old ones? Homo. 2000;51:151-162.

The article on the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi Levites (Behar et al., 2003. Am. J. Hum. Genet. 73, 768-779) is the fourth in a series on the Y chromosomes of the three Jewish male castes: Cohanim (priests), Levites (priests’ helpers) and Israelites (lay people). It became apparent that there is a problem with omission of samples when the second article “Origins of Old Testament priests” (Thomas et al., 1998. Nature 394, 138-140) was published. In the fourth article a remarkable 55% of the Ashkenazi Levite samples from the earlier 1998 study are not included. This causes the “Levite modal haplotype” to double its frequency from 21% of the Ashkenazi Levite sample in 1998 to 42% of the Ashkenazi Levite sample in 2003. The authors offer three main explanations: The explanations offered to the problem of omitting samples from subsequent studies after their haplotypes or partial haplotypes are known, are not convincing. Consequently their sample sets cannot be considered random and non-biased. At the least, these laboratories have bad practices of sample handling and many typing errors, which are enough to invalidate their studies.

Zoossmann-Diskin A. Ashkenazi levites’ “Y modal haplotype” (LMH)—an artificially created phenomenon? Homo. 2006;57(1):87-100.

What serves the white goyim better?  Trying to prove that the Ashkenazi are predominantly Middle Eastern?  How will this help get rid of the Zionist crime network?  But if the dominant Khazar origin of the Ashkenazi is emphasized, then it is clear that most Jews, being Ashkenazi, have no claim to Palestine.  When the general public realizes that not only do most Jews have no claim to Palestine, they have committed numerous crimes against humanity to get Palestine (World War I, World War II and the Holocaust Hoax, Bombing the Kind David Hotel, etc.), and after the establishment of Israel used it as a base for their global crime network, will we have allies on our side?

JW picks the data he likes and ignores the rest.  JW links to a few images he extracted from a study without linking to the study even though it is open access, and he cites the study on another page such that the citation is at the bottom of a long argument and in a form that would make the reader spend some time in locating a copy of the article.  When he links to a study, the pdf is available to subscribers only, and although I uploaded the pdf to MR, he wouldn’t link to it so that his readers can see all that the study says.  He knows that most readers who go through his site have no understanding of Fst and principal components analysis and will hopefully never come across the “explosive” revelations.  And he posts at a blog where no comments are allowed. 

What is JW doing to combat the Zionist crime network?  Right after his criticism of majorityrights, he posted an article by Lawrence Auster and applauded him for opposing free speech restrictions in Canada.  What a hoot!!!  The free speech restrictions were put in place by organized Jewry, particularly the ADL, and Auster is not clamoring for free speech per se, but for a right to critique Muslims and Islam as well as blacks.  Jew Auster would do everything in his power to suppress criticism of Jewry and Judaism.  JW is such an “enlightened white nationalist,” isn’t he?

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on March 26, 2008, 09:50 PM | #

Here’s a nice letter I just saw over at Prozium’s, in which a couple of points of central importance are laid out with some clarity:

Monitor said:  “So I’m forced to choose between Oprah Winfrey and Lord Haw Haw?”

You are making light of the real choice that has to be made.

Think about it.  The leftist establishment can tolerate all sorts of political views, up to a point. If a guy is big on the second amendment, they will disagree with him. Perhaps they will disagree vehemently, but at the end of the day he won’t be smeared, he isn’t likely to lose his job or suffer any major persecution.  He can state his views openly without any real fear of personal consequences.  Same with the guy who is pro-life, or (insert your modern conservative political position here.)
The ONE thing that is truly beyond the pale is to suggest that whites have a right to exist as a people, that they have interests, and that they should be able to control their own institutions and destiny.  At that point, you are way off the reservation.

That should tell you something.  The leftist establishment is more than willing to let you quibble about all sorts of important, but ultimately non-essential matters.  But defending whites as a people is a strict no go.

Bottom line: they know where the critical point in the battle is.  They know where they CAN’T afford to lose.  That critical point is race.

They can allow modern conservates to operate precisely because such people are no real threat to them.

The left knows where the real threat is.  Do you?

They know that as long as they control the racial agenda, everthing else is pretty much small potatos.  But if they lose on the racial issue, their gig is largely up.  So, yeah, you pretty much do have to make a choice.  Anyone who chooses aracial conservatism is, in essence, carrying the left’s water.  Like or not, this is the critical choice of our time.

(Of course, Prozium’s stuff over there is generally good too, this for example.)

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on March 26, 2008, 09:53 PM | #

(Sorry those links didn’t embed.)

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Posted by Nux Gnomica on March 27, 2008, 05:44 AM | #

J Richards: One day the Ashkenazi decide to carry out a “security drill” that will simulate terrorist bombings of public transport facilities.  This is a smokescreen.  They have placed real bombs in strategic locations.  If caught, they will explain them in terms of the “security drill.” But they are not caught.  The bombs go off and kill a lot of the despised Third Worlders and the English.  Even better, the despised Third Worlders are “found” responsible for the bombs.  Now the English unite and fight the Ashkenazi’s war against the despised Third Worlders, which “incidentally” has almost no Ashkenazi fighters.

Your description of Ashkenazi behaviour was good up to that point. I haven’t seen any good evidence that 7/7 was a false flag and lots that it was genuine. The conspiracy theorists say and don’t show. A priori it was highly credible: there were thousands of “Third Worlders” in the UK who wanted to do things like and many more thousands who were going to cheer them on.

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Posted by irrefutablyinsightful on March 27, 2008, 06:35 AM | #

Thanks for your brilliant insights.

No problem.  Always glad to help.

Do you even know what wealth is?

Of course.  I’m surprised you asked.  Don’t you?

Research the Great Depression, in North America and in Europe.  And take a look at what the bad guys did to pull their countries out of it.

A bit of advice between friends:  Don’t waste time reciting reams of monetarist witch doctory from the likes of Alice Rosenbaum (Ayn Rand) or any of the others, for that matter.  I’m really not interested in arguing the subject, especially with Young Republicans and so-called Objectivist-types.  I outgrew the Rosenbaum thing at age 14 when epiphany struck and I realized that ¾ of Ms. Rosenbaum’s arguments in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal involved nothing more than a skillful manipulation of semantics. And yes, before anybody lifts their nose and accuse me of economic illiteracy, be advised that I have a slightly more than basic college-level acquaintance with the subject.  Neither pensioner, nor trust funder, nor employee am I.  Certainly not an expert, but not exactly illiterate.

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Posted by dimwitted non-entity on March 27, 2008, 09:36 AM | #

“Research the Great Depression, in North America and in Europe.  And take a look at what the bad guys did to pull their countries out of it.”

Dear irrefutablyinsightful,

I’ve already done that. History will not repeat itself. By it’s very nature it’s impossible for history to repeat itself. What lies in the future is anybody’s guess; however, we can deduce by observing the global events happening around us, Global socialism is the end game, ie., the New World Order. The problem for us is during the process, the fate of the White-race hangs in the balance.

BTW—Alice Rosenbaum, makes some pretty interesting reading—nothing more, nothing less.

Take care my friend(s).

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Posted by J Richards on March 27, 2008, 08:36 PM | #

Nux Gnomica,

The Ashkenazi false flag operation description was a little too close to the 7/7 bombings, but take it as representing their false flag ops in general (911, the Madrid train bombings, USS liberty, Lavon affair, and many others).

There are a lot of indications that the 7/7 London bombings were another false flag op by Zionists. 

First there is the “security drill.”  If you are going to use a communications/computer system to facilitate an attack such that most of the people with security access to this system are not in on the plot, then a “security drill” is the way to go, just as in the 911 attacks.  And a contractor for transportation security used by the London underground rail system happened to be connected to an Israeli company.

The police identified the “suicide bombers” quickly, even finding their credit cards/IDs at the scene of the crime.  The Zionist media blamed Al Qaeda.

The bombs were powerful, military grade explosives.

Eyewitness testimony reported a blast causing the floor of the carriage to be displaced up, a big hole in the floor, screaming passengers who had lost their legs, and a woman trapped in metal, which had twisted up through the middle of the carriage.  How are backpack bombs supposed to do this?

The attacks come three days after the British government announced a ‘significant’ withdrawal of UK troops from Iraq over the next 18 months.  Who wants British troops to stay in Iraq and preferably increase in number? 

The victims are goyim, many poor immigrants.  Why didn’t the Muslim suicide bombers attack Jewish strongholds?

One of the attacks is at Edgware Road station, which is a very heavily Arab-populated part of London.  Why would a Muslim suicide bomber target his own neighborhood?

A “suicide bomber” has a young child, another on the way and has no reason to kill himself, but he strangely decides to blow himself up and others.  The reports about the suicide bombers are very conflicting; some of them set out to portray them as Islamic radicals, but in others there is no such confirmation, especially by people who personally knew the alleged suicide bombers.  This is a Mossad job: flood news outlets with disinformation and a massive amount of useless leads.

Authorities refuse to release evidence to back up the official version of events, and reject calls for a public inquiry.  After 10 months of work, the Home Office releases an official report, published anonymously, that reports the “suicide bombers” catching a Thameslink train at 7:40am, but this train never ran.  They still refuse a public inquiry.

There is much more.  Look it up if you are interested.

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Posted by Englander on March 27, 2008, 09:27 PM | #

Personally, I’m happy believing (and for the public to believe) that members of our Muslim population were to blame for 7/7, Madrid, and any of the other bombings.

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Posted by Retew on March 28, 2008, 06:32 AM | #

J Richards; I thought as you did on this for a while but there is testimony the other way as well
by someone called Rachel North, viz. that the floor of the train bent downwards in one of the attacks.

The military explosives bit was very interesting though. They called in a French counter-terrorism expert who claimed quite definitely that it was C4, and over the next few days this got changed to “bathtub explosives” and all mention of C4 got airbrushed from the record.

David Shayler (ex-British Intelligence) is on record as saying that it was an inside job. So I try and keep an open mind on this.

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Posted by Peter on March 28, 2008, 02:51 PM | #

I like J Richards sometimes, he brings up good points. I learned a lot from him!
Fred Scrooby is cool too. Although i don’t understand why you “dislike” Jews so much?
I don’t understand why there is so much anti Jewish attitude here?

Just wondering…All the Jews i have seen/met looked Caucasian to me and J Richards mentioned they are genetically similar to South Europeans so why is their progress and accomplishments a problem? In other words they are Caucasian but obviously not European just like many Nordic looking Russians are not from mainland Europe.
Why must we “Caucasians” fight amongst ourselves?

BTW J Richards i am waiting for you to re open your hugely “popular” post again smile
You know which one i am talking about.

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Posted by Robert Reis on March 28, 2008, 03:40 PM | #

Jews around the world form a genetic clustering that is part of the Middle Eastern genetic clustering of the non-Europeam genetic clustering of the Caucasian genetic clustering. Any non-convert to Judaism is more closely related to Syrians than he or she is related to Dutchmen.

Looks can be deceiving, DNA is factual.

Unlike the other non-European Caucasians, the Jewish leadership and most ordinary Jewish people hate white Europeans, their religions and their cultures.

Your Jewish neighbors have advocated open borders for the Netherlands. Some of them have finally noticed that turning the Netherlands into an Islamic state might not be good for Jews.

Puppets lke Wilders now want the rest of the population to fight Islamic immigration,  but still want open borders for Orientals and non-Moslem Africans.

Unitl you realize that the real Dutch patriots jointed the Waffen-SS, you are condemned to watch your country vanish.

My enthusiasm for the survival of the Netherlands is limited. On my last visit to your country the homosexual security agents at the airport enjoyed themselves by pulling down my trousers so that they could fondle my testicles.

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Posted by Nux Gnomica on March 28, 2008, 07:18 PM | #

J. Richards: There are a lot of indications that the 7/7 London bombings were another false flag op by Zionists.

“Indications” aren’t proof. There’s proof that the USS liberty and Lavon affairs were conspiracies. There’s no proof in what you’ve said.

One of the attacks is at Edgware Road station, which is a very heavily Arab-populated part of London.  Why would a Muslim suicide bomber target his own neighborhood?

a) Muslim victims would have got what they deserved from Allah. b) The bombers were from Yorkshire. I doubt they were expert in the demographics of London or regarded Edgware as their neighbourhood.

A “suicide bomber” has a young child, another on the way and has no reason to kill himself, but he strangely decides to blow himself up and others.  The reports about the suicide bombers are very conflicting; some of them set out to portray them as Islamic radicals, but in others there is no such confirmation, especially by people who personally knew the alleged suicide bombers.  This is a Mossad job: flood news outlets with disinformation and a massive amount of useless leads.

Ridiculous. As though the media work perfectly except when Mossad get involved. Anyone who’s been involved in a news story will know that the media get things badly wrong. Anomalies in reporting are not proof of conspiracy in reality. It’s also ridiculous to say he had no reason to kill himself. By whose standards? If he was what he is said to have been, he’d have thought he was off to paradise.

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Posted by Guessedworker on March 29, 2008, 06:27 PM | #

And absolutely no conspiring of any sort going on here.

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Posted by J Richards on March 30, 2008, 03:48 AM | #

Peter,

As to why we dislike Jews, I will speak for myself.  I don’t dislike Jews as individuals.  I dislike organized Jewry, which accounts for the majority of Jews.  Organized Jewry has committed extensive and massive crimes against humanity, and is predominantly responsible for the reason why this website exists.  If I were to list the crimes of organized Jewry and you were to believe it, you will share my attitude.  But it would be my word against the massive Jewish propaganda that you have imbibed or else you wouldn’t be asking the question.  A couple of years ago if someone told me that organized Jewry were responsible for the crimes that I am now aware of, I would have concluded that this person was crazy.  Among people personally known to me, I have never succeeded in convincing anyone of organized Jewry’s crimes because they outright reject the possibility that any group could be so diabolically evil.  So I will pass.  I hope that you maintain an open mind and understand the issue eventually.

Why must we “Caucasians” fight amongst ourselves?

Why must we humans fight among ourselves?  Why must we primates fight among ourselves?  Why must we mammals fight among ourselves?  There is no conflict if there is a live and let live attitude.  If an insect species were not biting us, not spreading diseases to us, not harming our crops and livestock, what reason would we have to dislike it or act against it?  But if we are infested by tapeworms, then it is justified to fight these parasites because they at the very least make us miserable/ill and sometimes kill us.  Organized Jewry is a parasitic entity, and it is for this reason that much as the likes of JW waste their time on genetic classification and do nothing else, Jewish genetic classification is of no relevance to opposing and fighting organized Jewry.

Before I open my hugely popular post, I will need to find time to write down the replies to the unanswered comments on it as well as in other posts.  I can’t commit to a date.

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Nux Gnomica,

Whereas indications do not prove what I said, the proof you would accept (e.g., pictures of the wreckage of the trains) is not being released by the government.  So what reason do you have to believe the government version?  I have provided plenty of reasons why you should at least reject the official explanation and can cite a lot more.

Watch the 1-hour video (transcript below the video) here: http://jforjustice.co.uk/77/

You can read many details here, but watch the video first: http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/

You haven’t objected to most of my points, but I can easily address the ones you have raised objections to.

Muslim victims would have got what they deserved from Allah

This is a failure to understand what martyrdom is Islam is about.  It is about protecting Muslims and Islam from those who would harm them.  So why did these individuals not go after those primarily harming the Muslim community, i.e., Jews, but attack the poorer commoners and their own brethren?

The bombers were from Yorkshire. I doubt they were expert in the demographics of London or regarded Edgware as their neighbourhood.

Muslims consider as their turf all places where there are a large number of them.  It is highly unlikely that a handful of Muslims decided on the spur of the moment to blow up people in a suicide bombing, hastily assembled bombs and went to London to complete their mission.  They would have done some background research and would have surely avoided bombing the most heavily Arab-populated region in London.  Why do you think they chose London?  Why not some other city?  Was it a random decision?  London has a large non-white/Muslim population.  So if you blow up public transport facilities there, especially places like Edgware station, many of the victims will be Muslim.  Why can’t you smell the stench of the Mossad here?

Ridiculous. As though the media work perfectly except when Mossad get involved. Anyone who’s been involved in a news story will know that the media get things badly wrong. Anomalies in reporting are not proof of conspiracy in reality

“Anomalies in reporting”?  No, absurd fabrications and baldfaced lies.  Watch the video I have asked you to see.  The mainstream media are under the control of organized Jewry.

It’s also ridiculous to say he had no reason to kill himself. By whose standards? If he was what he is said to have been, he’d have thought he was off to paradise.

“If he was what he is said to have been”...you have people who knew them personally reject their being suicide bomber material, and you have Jewry claiming otherwise.  The “suicide bombers” would have thought they would go directly to paradise if they became martyrs, but how could they become martyrs by avoiding attacking the culprits and killing poor commoners and their own instead?  What kind of martyrs randomly kill their own to protect their own?

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Posted by Nux Gnomica on March 30, 2008, 01:17 PM | #

You haven’t objected to most of my points…

I couldn’t be bothered. They weren’t impressive. What people say about the USS Liberty is impressive, which is why I accept a conspiracy there.

It is highly unlikely that a handful of Muslims decided on the spur of the moment to blow up people in a suicide bombing, hastily assembled bombs and went to London to complete their mission.

How unlikely? Let’s have a figure: 1 in 20? 1 in 517? 1 in 7,873? You remind me of the idiots who “prove” things from the bible and are dogmatic about inherently uncertain things. But some things aren’t uncertain: I know from personal experience how much some Muslims hate this country and polls show how many of them are prepared to support terrorism here. If the bombings weren’t carried out by Muslims, it wasn’t for lack of motive.

They would have done some background research and would have surely avoided bombing the most heavily Arab-populated region in London.  Why do you think they chose London?

It’s the capital of the UK. You say “surely” but don’t prove it. If it’s so sure, why didn’t Mossad realize the same and avoid directing one of their zombies there?

Why not some other city?  Was it a random decision?

No, it’s the capital of the UK. If you hate the UK, as many Muslims here do, it’s the logical place to attack.

“If he was what he is said to have been”...you have people who knew them personally reject their being suicide bomber material, and you have Jewry claiming otherwise.

So they carried out a suicide bombing and the people who knew them aren’t eager to accept it. If you find that remarkable, you need to learn more about human psychology.

London has a large non-white/Muslim population.  So if you blow up public transport facilities there, especially places like Edgware station, many of the victims will be Muslim.  Why can’t you smell the stench of the Mossad here?

No, I can’t. Why did Mossad leave such a big clue to their involvement? Where are your stats for the number of Muslims killed? Where’s the condemnation of the bombers from al-Qaeda and other Muslim terrorist groups, if they did wrong by killing Muslims?

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Posted by Peter on March 31, 2008, 12:01 AM | #

OMG J Richards replied to me Eeeeee. I am so happy! If you don’t already know i am a little fan of yours. omg omg ok thats enough smile
I have learned a lot from you and i have a feeling i will learn more. You are right i am unaware of the “crimes” committed by Jews/Jewery. But then i have a totally different viewpoint of them due to where i was born and my upbringing. But i do have an open mind and if i were to comment on you right after reading your “popular” post it would be negative. However i did read your other posts and actually found them quite interesting and informative and i guess your not that bad? unless your homophobic then i hate you lol (I guess you can figure out i am gay).

About my Questions this is what i was referring to…This site is all about “white” rights…their preservation, continuity etc. You mentioned the “dire consequences” of race mixing leading to race replacement. Native Jews whether they are in Israel or Europe are Caucasian like their neighbors - Greeks, Lebanese, Syrians etc.
So when i was reading all these negative comments about Jews i was confused. I can understand why you guys were concerned about issues such as whites mixing with Black and Asian people, Blacks eventually taking over some places in the USA. But why dislike one of your own kind? Doesn’t that go against what this site is for? It felt like a supposed situation where the Muslim Caucasians from the Balkans become more advanced somehow and are hated because they are Muslim (and maybe because of their advancement?) but are still the same “race”. A case of Caucasian vs Caucasian progress and not Caucasian vs Black taking over the former’s territory. I hope you understood what i was trying to say. Maybe this site is only for Nordic interests? like some people suggested. In that case South Europeans and Middle Eastern Caucasians don’t matter? One should state whether “white” or Caucasian rights are being promoted/talked about here? I would like to add what you stated before Greeks are more closely related to Middle Easterns than North Europeans… so considering Israelis outside of “Caucasian” interests would mean that other closely related Europeans such as Albanians, Greeks, South Italians, Portuguese etc should be excluded too? Political correctness thats the term!

I have such a curious mind but now it needs rest so I will discuss/debate/learn from you later J Richards…oh and anybody else can throw in comments too smile

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Posted by Robert Reis on March 31, 2008, 01:01 AM | #

Dear Peter,

Jewish scientists stress that Jewish DNA is different from the DNA of their host populations.

Although they are Caucassian, they are not European Caucassians.

Living as I do in the Arab world, I have no animosity towards non-European Caucassians per se.

Jew generaly regard non-Jews as prey. This is the problem.

Cheers,

RER

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Posted by Zsidozas on April 01, 2008, 07:44 AM | #

“In conclusion, although Ashkenazi Jews may be regarded as a defined ethnic group, it is necessary to take population substructure into account when designing association studies, that is, patients and controls of Ashkenazi Jewish origin should be also matched for geographic origin.”

- from article entitled: “Ashkenazi Jewish mtDNA haplogroup distribution varies among distinct subpopulations: lessons of population substructure in a closed group.” [http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v15/n4/full/5201764a.html]

(also check out the good references at the bottom of the article)

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Posted by Theopsyche on April 01, 2008, 11:07 PM | #

Ashkenazi Jews consider themselves as white, they are recognised as white by society at large, and they are unambiguously white in their physical characters. They have called Europe their home for a longer period of time than the Slavs, and their contributions to white civilisation surpass those of any other European substock of comparable numerical size. Whether you define the white race as a biological taxon or a sociological construct and social identity, or some a combination of the two, Jews should be recognised as white.

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Posted by Robert Reis on April 02, 2008, 04:11 PM | #

http://sarahmaidofalbion.blogspot.com/

Tuesday, 1 April 2008
Ripped from the headlines and ethnically cleansed


As a “thirty-something” wife and mother, my Saturday nights out clubbing are now somewhat less frequent than they used to be. These days, on Saturday nights you are far more likely to find me, a glass of red wine and a slumbering Nave of Albion, in front of the TV watching “CSI New York” or “Law and Order” on Channel Five. So it was this last weekend that I came to watch an Episode of “Law and Order” from 2004 called “Darwinian” . For those of you who did not see it, the main storyline revolved homeless people killing each other, however, the first part featured a situation where a rich, white, female executive was involved in a hit and run and run collision with a vagrant, who was thrown across the hood of her car and became lodged in her windscreen (or “wind shield” as it was an American programme) as the rich white executive lady had been drinking, she panicked and, rather than seeking medical help for the poor sod impaled on her dashboard, she drove home, with the moaning and seriously injured man still wedged in the glass, locked the car in the garage and left her victim to die slowly, whilst she had another drink.

 

Oddly enough, this was not the first time that such a scene had featured in a US cop show, in a 2002 episode of the successful CBS series “CSI (Crime Scene Investigation)” entitled “Anatomy of a Lye” a rich white, male, lawyer also became involved in a collision with a homeless man who became stuck in his windscreen and was subsequently left to die a slow painful death in the wicked, white, lawyer’s garage.

 

 

Clearly the “dying vagrant stuck in a windscreen scenario” is a popular one amongst script writers, and anyone seeking to discover the inspiration for it need look no further than the 2001 case of Chante Jawan Mallard an African American woman who, in real life, was was involved in a hit and run and run collision with a a homeless man called Gregory Biggs, who became lodged in her windscreen, like the fictional, white’ lady executive, as the very real, black, Ms Mallard had been drinking she panicked and, rather than seeking medical help for her still live and semi-conscious victim, drove home, locked the car and the dying man in the garage (Sound familiar?). Ms Mallard then went inside, had sex with her boyfriend, and over the next few days occasionally checked on the hapless Biggs, still stuck in her wind shield, until she was sure he had stopped moaning.

 

 

Chante Mallard was clearly not a very nice person and, although some of us milksop liberals may have recoiled at the 50 year prison sentence she received when the case came to trial in 2003, she certainly deserved to be publicly reviled. It is however, interesting to note that whereas the two popular crime shows which were obviously inspired by her crime were so faithful to the details of the case, the only changes they made were in relation to her ethnicity, and, in the case of CSI, her gender.

 

 

There is nothing unusual about using real news stories as the inspiration for popular drama, indeed Dick Wolf, the producer and creator of Law and order, is quite open about the fact that many of the story lines are based on news items, and claims that many of the shows are, in his words, “ripped from the headlines” . However, it seems that, although many of the scripts may be based on real events, the resulting dramas do not accurately reflect real life.

 

 

What Wolf does not mention is that, after the plot lines are ripped from the headlines, they undergo a very thorough session of ethnic cleansing, so that the stories which the viewers eventually see comply with the requisite politically correct stereotyping. Given the level of crime in America (and increasingly in the UK) together with remarkable inventiveness of so many criminals , script writers are spoilt for choice and supplied with an endless source of inspiration. Unfortunately, however, in real life the majority of criminals do not fit the image which the TV producers want want to present. No problem there, the solution, of course, is easy, the writers just change the colour of those involved, and instantly PC programming is resumed. This is a technique which I referred to in an earlier article and it is one used regularly by the Community cohesion censors in their efforts to present a gullible audience with an ideologically enhanced version of reality with all the inconvenient facts airbrushed out.

 

 

(Can’t wait to see how PC censors adapt this one!!)

 

 

Given that most people in Britain, and indeed many average Americans do not follow the US news very closely, they probably do not realise how frequently this revisionist race reversal happens. However examples abound, a December 2007 episode of CSI (Vegas), which aired in Britain a few weeks ago, was called “Lying down with Dogs” and featured a rich and glamorous white woman, who, although publicly a humanitarian philanthropist, was secretly involved in the sadistic sport of Dog fighting. This evil white woman died a nasty death, when one of her very white (and rather cute’ as I recall) kennel boys set set some of her dogs on her.

 

 

Dog fighting seems a strange theme for a show like CSI, I wonder what inspired it?, could it have been the high profile case of (very) black, £130 million contract winning, American Football player Michael Vick

who, days before CSI aired the dog fighting episode, was sentenced to 23 months in prison following discovery, in April 2007, of extensive facilities used for illegal dog fighting at his 15 acre ranch in Virginia, and evidence of horrific acts of animal cruelty.


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Unlike “Law and Order” did with the Mallard case, CSI did not mirror the Vick situation quite so faithfully, for a start, Vick has, some might say regrettably, not yet been torn to shreds by hungry pit bulls (although his image, which was once worth millions in endorsements, does now feature as a popular dog chew toy) however, given that it was such a huge US news story in early 2007, it rather defies credibility to suggest that it and the late 2007 show are unconnected.

 

 

In which case, and in view of the fact that the prosecution of the Vick case caused considerable racial controversy not least because of the alleged popularity of illegal dog fighting in the US black community does it not seem odd that CSI chose to exaggerate the the involvement of white Americans in the “sport”?.

 

 

US cop shows have been doing this sort of thing for years now, a 2001 episode of Law and Order entitled “Myth and Fingerprints” involves the case of a, white, female forensics expert, who had been giving false trial testimony for years resulting many innocent men being convicted.

 

 

Of course, given that the character was white, surely there was no connection to the infamous case of, black Oklahoma forensics expert, Joyce Gilchrist for long known as “Black magic” on account of a) her colour and b) her ability to produce evidence leading to conviction. Joyce was quite a celebrity, until it came to light that most of her evidence was false, leading the FBI to launch an investigation into 1,400 of her cases. (If you believe the one was not inspired by the other , you might want to invest in small lead to gold conversion system I am working on)

 

 

Also in 2001, another episode of Law and Order called “Teenage Wasteland” featured a group of, white, middle class, teenagers who murder a Chinese food delivery man instead of paying for the food they ordered. Of course in real like, in the real life case which “Teenage Wasteland” was based on, although the kids were indeed middle class, they were not white.


A 2003 episode called “Sheltered” involving a teen aged sniper and his older patron, was clearly based on the Washington (or Beltway) Snipers John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo except that, in “Sheltered” all the characters were white
And I could go on
Of course TV shows like law & Order are merely following a tradition started by Hollywood, I am sure that most readers will have seen “The Accused” a grim crime drama in which Jodie Foster was raped across a pool table (or was it a pinball machine? I forget) by a number of white men, cheered on by a bar full of equally snowy white guys. Of course in the real life event on which the film was based, the alleged rapists were not quite so pale as the appeared in the movie . In fact Portuguese groups assailed the prosecution, saying the case would never have gone to trial if the defendants had not been Portuguese immigrants. One might, of course, conclude that it would never have been made into a movie had they had been portrayed as such.
I am sure that, in defence of these shows, some people will point to the disclaimer at the end of most episodes which state that the events depicted are fictional, and argue that would be less true if the characters were based on recognisable real life individuals, in which case that it is, therefore, legitimate to have the characters played by actors from different ethnic groups. My answer to that is, fine, but if so, how come it never works the other way round, why do we never see a real life white rapist or murderer played by a black actor? Could it be because if that ever happened, the howls of protest and accusations of racism would be heard from Tampa to Saskatchewan.
(Come to think of it, why do we rarely even see a fictional black rapist or murderer?)
Other apologists may say that these dramas are just stories and ask why does it matter? Why have I written two articles on this subject.
It matters because it is a lie, and it is a lie which is repeated day after day week after week, year after year, in show after show, reinforcing the false belief in the mind of the average viewer that rapists and murders are overwhelmingly white. They are not, and we are never going to solve the problems which beset out society while we refuse to acknowledge them, or worse, seek to falsify the record.

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Posted by J Richards on April 03, 2008, 02:33 AM | #

Nux Gnomica,

I couldn’t be bothered. They weren’t impressive. What people say about the USS Liberty is impressive, which is why I accept a conspiracy there.

So you couldn’t be bothered responding to most of my points because they weren’t impressive.  These unimpressive points include the “security drill” smokescreen, just as on 9/11, the government refusing to release evidence to back up what it says happened, roughly analogous to the U.S. government quickly destroying the WTC towers’ wreckage instead of preserving the remains for analysis as required by law, repeated refusal of a public enquiry, etc.  You might as well have dismissed everything I said as so poor that it wasn’t worth your time.

How unlikely? Let’s have a figure: 1 in 20? 1 in 517? 1 in 7,873? You remind me of the idiots who “prove” things from the bible and are dogmatic about inherently uncertain things.

Do I really need to calculate the probability of Muslims deciding on the spur of the moment to blow up people in a suicide bombing, hastily assembling bombs and going to London to complete their mission?  These Muslims could think about killing random English to reduce the oppression of their community but didn’t have the foresight to do some background research to maximize their impact and minimize the killings of their own kind and other Third Worlders who had nothing to do with why England had its army in the Middle East? 

But some things aren’t uncertain: I know from personal experience how much some Muslims hate this country and polls show how many of them are prepared to support terrorism here. If the bombings weren’t carried out by Muslims, it wasn’t for lack of motive.

There is a big gap between motive and action.  Take an anonymous poll of people and ask them if they wish to kill someone and would they go ahead and kill this person if they could get away with it.  Many people will answer in the affirmative to both questions, but most of them will never kill the despised person(s) because of fear of the consequences.  What could be the consequences of Muslims committing terrorist acts against the English?

1) The English pull their armed forces from the Middle East and stop meddling in their affairs.  This would be the logical purpose of the bombing from the Muslims’ perspective if they did it.
2) The English double their resolve to crush Muslim terrorists and launch more offensives against Muslim fundamentalists.   
3) Fed up, the English expel the Muslims from England and ban Muslim immigration.
4) There is a mass uprising against Muslims in England, costing many Muslim lives, and resulting in the rest fleeing, never to return.

The Muslims had more to lose than gain.  Why then did they go ahead and bomb public facilities?

They would have done some background research and would have surely avoided bombing the most heavily Arab-populated region in London.  Why do you think they chose London?

It’s the capital of the UK. You say “surely” but don’t prove it. If it’s so sure, why didn’t Mossad realize the same and avoid directing one of their zombies there?

I didn’t prove that they would surely have done enough research to figure out which regions are more likely to be populated by Muslims and avoid bombing these areas, but the alleged terrorists never did the bombings!  So how am I supposed to prove this?  What does one expect in the event that the alleged “suicide bombers” are guilty?  Could they really be completely ignorant of London’s demographics and stupid enough to attack facilities that may kill many of the wrong people?

Why not some other city?  Was it a random decision?

No, it’s the capital of the UK. If you hate the UK, as many Muslims here do, it’s the logical place to attack.

The capital is no big deal.  The reaction of the English wouldn’t be different if other cities were attacked and the carnage was equivalent.  If the bombers wanted to convey a message to the English that they had better pull out their armed forces from the Middle East, then the logical places to attack would have been areas where just about all victims would be white.  If the bombers had good knowledge about the people ultimately responsible for their community’s oppression, then the logical places to attack would have been Jewish strongholds.  How can public transport facilities in London, a city with a large non-white/Third World/Muslim population, be the logical place to attack for Muslims terrorists?  It is the logical place to attack for the Mossad as it would get a bunch of Muslims and also schwartzers as a bonus. 

So they carried out a suicide bombing and the people who knew them aren’t eager to accept it. If you find that remarkable, you need to learn more about human psychology.

What you said applies to loved ones, not acquaintances.

London has a large non-white/Muslim population.  So if you blow up public transport facilities there, especially places like Edgware station, many of the victims will be Muslim.  Why can’t you smell the stench of the Mossad here?

No, I can’t. Why did Mossad leave such a big clue to their involvement?

The Mossad is not a perfect entity.  It is bound to mess up, and it did not leave a big clue that it was involved in the July 7 London bombings as far as most people are concerned.  Most people are not aware of the Mossad’s involvement.  For people to even suspect the Mossad’s involvement, they will have to be familiar with the extensive history of Israel’s false flag operations and the general nature of organized Jewry, which requires some critical thinking to avoid mindlessly absorbing news from the mainstream media and some independent research.  Most people are not up to the task, but people are slowing waking up because of the internet.     

Where are your stats for the number of Muslims killed?

The stats are less important than the reasonable assumption that blowing up public transport facilities in London, especially in heavily Muslim-populated regions such as Edgware station, will get a bunch of Muslims, and quite a lot if the Zionists get lucky.  Based on the names, it appears that about 10% of the dead were Muslim, excluding the 4 Muslim ‘suicide bombers.’  There would be Muslims among the injured, too. 

Where’s the condemnation of the bombers from al-Qaeda and other Muslim terrorist groups, if they did wrong by killing Muslims?

You expect the Zionist-owned mainstream media to report Muslim groups condemning the bombings?  Soon after 9/11, the MSM in America showed a small number of Palestinians allegedly dancing in celebration of 9/11 but did not show candlelight vigils in memory of the killed in Iran.  Al-Qaeda is not a real Muslim terrorist group.  It is a fake ZOG (Zionist-occupied government) creation.

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Posted by Nux Gnomica on April 05, 2008, 09:33 AM | #

I can’t be bothered responding in detail or even reading what you say in detail. This will have to suffice:

I asked:

Where’s the condemnation of the bombers from al-Qaeda and other Muslim terrorist groups, if they did wrong by killing Muslims?

J. Richards replied:

You expect the Zionist-owned mainstream media to report Muslim groups condemning the bombings?

I’d call that half-witted, but I don’t think it rises to the level of halfwittedness. Look, thanks to this thing called the Internet, we can hear terrorism-supporting Muslims’ voices direct without ZOG getting in the way. All you need do is quote them in condemnation of 7/7 as un-Islamic. You obviously can’t do so.

Soon after 9/11, the MSM in America showed a small number of Palestinians allegedly dancing in celebration of 9/11 but did not show candlelight vigils in memory of the killed in Iran.

Do you accept that some Muslims were delighted by 9/11? Yes or no? If you do accept that, please explain how those Muslims could support 9/11 but not support 7/7.

Al-Qaeda is not a real Muslim terrorist group.  It is a fake ZOG (Zionist-occupied government) creation.

Even if al-Qaeda is a ZOG operation (which I don’t accept), not all of its supporters are controlled by ZOG. If they thought al-Qaeda’s ideology contradicted Islam, they would not support it, would they? No, they wouldn’t. Therefore, some Muslims will accept the deaths of other Muslims in terrorist attacks. Therefore, your a priori reasoning about what Muslims should and shouldn’t be “expected” to do is disproved.

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Posted by j on May 05, 2008, 12:34 PM | #

According the Bible, we Jews are descendants of Ham, who is considered to be the father of the African people.
Being a Hamite, I cannot be white, in spite of my Nordic look, with honey blond hair (when I had hair) and crystal blue eyes. Should I believe to my lying eyes or to your definition? If I were not so totally absorbed in making more money, I would start to be worried by your article.

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Posted by Robert Reis on May 22, 2008, 12:03 AM | #

cybrids (human-animal hybrids 0

http://mulier-fortis.blogspot.com/

Ashamed To Be British…

I, for one, would much rather that we weren’t responsible for such monstrous research. Being the only country in Europe to allow both cybrids (human-animal hybrids where animal eggs have had the nucleus removed and human DNA inserted) and true hybrids (where human eggs (or sperm) are fused with animal sperm (or eggs) and then allowed to develop) is nothing to be proud of.

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Posted by Robert Reis on May 27, 2008, 01:31 AM | #

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http://worldpeace-phaedrus.blogspot.com/
Friday, May 23, 2008
A Perception Test…
Folks, test your perceptiveness on the Jewish Issue by selecting the most likely scenario out of the two proposed below:

Scenario A:

“There has always been a world-wide conspiracy among people who simply HATE Jews for no good reason whatsoever. These ‘haters’ presumably have families, jobs and other commitments, but they’d somehow rather spend their time on the internet writing obsessively elaborate essays about how nasty the Jews are and forsaking everything they previously enjoyed just to endlessly spout hatred against an innocent race of oppressed people whose harmless customs and ways they simply don’t understand. Everything without exception that has ever been written about the Jews in an anti-Semitic context has either been a malicious forgery, a hoax, or else a mis-translation from Jewish holy works, or else an innocent (or malicious) misdirection. However, it’s usually something purposely contrived to falsely demonize an ancient, noble and religious people. Alternatively it may be a total fabrication designed to portray Jews in a bad light for no valid reason whatsoever - by a bunch of Nazis who hate outsiders for nothing more than simply being different to everyone else. The basis of all anti-Semitism is ignorance.”

Scenario B:

“The Jews are a tribe of terminally sick, amoral malingerers that have been repeatedly kicked out of just about every place in the known world at one time or another throughout all recorded history. This is due to the totally selfish, exploitative and manipulative way they use and abuse others to their own ends. This is wholly unacceptable to decent people of other cultures that have afforded the Jews sanctuary - and have been kicked in the teeth for their trouble. Apostate Jews have warned gentiles throughout the ages of the malign intent of their former brethren and exposed their wicked ways for all with the will to see. Jews are a race apart. They ARE different from all other peoples on earth and they revel in their cultural and religious immutability. When they dwell among others, as they must as all parasites have to, they NEVER assimilate or conform to the host society’s norms. Rather, they impose their own ‘morality’ upon the host. They are Jews first, foremost and ALWAYS. The peoples among whom they find safe haven and protection are nothing more than ‘heathen’ or ‘goyim’ - a peasant underclass of slaves who have no more rights in this world to own property, make laws, or marry than a goat, a sheep or a pig. The basis of anti-Semitism is an understandable, deep-seated resentment towards a group of people holding such abhorrent views.”

Somewhat of a no-brainer, wouldn’t you say?

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 24, 2008, 11:14 PM | #

Jewish populations are remarkable for maintaining continuous genetic, cultural, and religious traditions over 4000 years, despite residence all over the world ...”

... and for trying their utmost to prevent other populations from doing likewise, the Jews’ favored way of torpedoing genetic continuity of their rivals being by forcing the borders open then making sure they stay open long enough for the influx of the racially unlike to force the rival out of existence.

The development of Jewish HapMaps will substantially contribute to our understanding of the genetic histories of all three groups [of Jews:  Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Middle-Eastern] and could improve the efficiency of future genetic discoveries within these populations.”

“The genetic histories of all three groups”?  But ... aren’t the Jews constantly telling us there are no group genetic differences between human groups, but all are genetically the same group?  So, what’s up with dividing the world’s Jews into separate groups having “distinct genetic histories”?  Didn’t the Jewish college professors tell us there was more variation within groups than between groups?  Haven’t they all been insisting there are no genetically distinct racial groups of humans, let alone genetically-distinct ethnic ones?

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Posted by Gudmund on October 15, 2008, 09:09 AM | #

I grew up in an area with significant Jewish population, and especially in junior high and high school, we were inundated by Jews.  And in those days, I had an intuitive, deep-seated mistrust and suspicion of them because of their actions.  Even given the PC nonsense that was shoved down our throats, I knew that the Jews and their Shabbos Goy lackeys held nothing but ill will for anyone who wasn’t part of their club.  I remember a significant number of whites that weren’t Shabbos Goy developing a severe dislike of the young Jews for their arrogant, elitist, cowardly attitudes.  We knew from the beginning that Jews earn every negative “stereotype” assigned to them, and all it required was first-hand empirical evidence.

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Posted by astronyou on December 24, 2008, 04:10 PM | #

If this is true, how is it that there are blonde jews today, like ian ziering?

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Posted by Svigor on December 24, 2008, 04:58 PM | #

Insofar as Ziering is racially European, he’s not racially Jewish.

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Posted by Darren on December 24, 2008, 05:03 PM | #

If this is true, how is it that there are blonde jews today, like ian ziering?

Jews have varying amounts of European admixture. Many Jews are quite distinctly middle-eastern and Semitic in appearance, while some are very difficult to tell apart from regular Euros.

Jews, as a group, cluster separately from Europeans, so clearly they have a different racial composition and count as a distinct ethnic group.

Blondism doesn’t mean you’re a pure White, it only means you have some white in you. We’ve found red-haired Iraqis with the usual other racial traits of Iraqi people.

Socially, Jews are the ones who feel the need to remain distinct from European Whites. If Jews just wanted to be generic “whites” like the rest of America, they would have done so with little to no resistance from us.

Quite a large percentage of Whites today have two or more distinct European lineages. Most “Germans-Americans” don’t feel the need to preserve their Germaness - they’ll quite happily marry an Italian, or an English. Jews just can’t get over being Jewish, though, so they remain a distinct group!

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Posted by astronyou on December 24, 2008, 06:35 PM | #

IAn Ziering IS racially jewish. Look it up.

but if Jews have admixture, how is that possible if they rarely married with Europeans? They actually inbred with one another for so long, so how can they have developed blonde hair and blue eyes?

what about how they bitch about the intermarriage rate nowadays, and ‘losing numbers’ everyday? I think that’s a lie, since most Jews always seem to marry their own. How can they screw up the numbers to make it 50%?

Jews make up most actors in Hollywood, so how can they say only 2% of the US or even the world is Jewish?

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Posted by anti-shahada on December 24, 2008, 08:06 PM | #

We’ve found red-haired Iraqis with the usual other racial traits of Iraqi people

My Turkish in-laws (who hate Jews and support the NPD in Germany) have variously red hair, blonde hair, blue eyes, and green eyes.  Some of these can be attributed to distant German ancestry on the grandfather’s (father’s father) side.

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Posted by David on April 13, 2009, 07:38 AM | #

Israel has nothing to do with Europe, so why is Israel in the European Cup. I think Israel should be kicked out the European Cup before they think they white. They should play in with the other Middle-Eastern countries of there same race like Gaza, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq etc. Or they must play in Africa like there fellow country, Egypt.

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Posted by ATBOTL on April 24, 2009, 01:06 AM | #

The genes for blondism and light colored eyes probably originated in the Middle East but were selected for most highly in Northern Europe.  Even if Jews came to Europe from the ME and had NO mixture with indigenous Europeans, they would have already carried these genes and if they were subject to selection pressures, could have greatly increased the frequency of these genes in their population.


Israel play in the European Cup because of public opposition to Israel in Arab countries and fear of terrorism.

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Posted by Bro on April 24, 2009, 05:34 AM | #

Why would light coloured eyes evolve in the middle East? What porpose would it serve?

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Posted by Jojo on May 03, 2009, 06:42 AM | #

Are Jews White?

Are Jews Jews? http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/hittites.htm

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Posted by Jojo on May 03, 2009, 06:50 AM | #

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8c_pPIoyI0

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Posted by JoJo on September 20, 2009, 04:11 PM | #

Jews are confusing in this racial aspect. 
1. They definately don’t see themselves as “middle eastern” yet they hail from the “middle east” originally according to them.  They tend to make fun of us middle easterners in a similar way that whites antagonize blacks. 

2.  They try to link themselves culturally with Western Europe, but they were more deeply entrenched in Eastern Europe.  They also claim to need Israel to escape the “hate crimes of Western Europe”—are you sure that you can identify with Western Europe if you are a Jew?  Remember they killed your people “real good,” about oh say….........six billion you say?

3.  They treat darker Jews and especially Ethiopian Falasha Jews with skin based discrimination.

4.  They don’t really like being a part of the middle east and the only reason Israel was created seems to have been some wierd identity crisis.

5.  Jews have obviously mixed down with lighter blood if they originally hailed from Egypt and Palestine etc.

6.  Jews don’t know what they are really

7.  Jews are inbred to some extent, keeping themselves from becoming part of another geo-culture so they are truly not part of any other culture.

8. It seems Jews wanted to be accepted as elites in White society without giving up their identity, whatever that indentity really is in modern times…

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Posted by Ak on November 04, 2009, 08:26 AM | #

Most of this article and most of these comments are disgusting.

Most human beings share the same DNA in the same way that most tigers share the same DNA and most lions do.

Racial categories like “white people” “jews” “asians” and “black people” hold about as much scientific differentiation as the difference between a tall cocker spaniel and a shot one.

Almost all of us have so much mixed ancestry that it doesn’t make sense to classify people on SECONDARY outward signs like skin colour, thickness of lips, hair colour, and so on.

Especially as the variation of these, and of the underlying genetics, within each “race” is almost as large as the variation between the DIFFERENT “races”.

Foolish.

Ethnicity has been introduced as a term that embodies the concept of PEOPLE who THEMSELVES identify with other people they THINK are similar to them, whether they share the same genetics (or looks) or not. This has no scientific basis, but is a comforting concept for us as human beings.

Scientists have rejected “race” as a means of classifying people, based on EVIDENCE. It is more important to study someone’s immediate family history when it comes to determining reactions to treatment, likelihood of disorders, etc.

Isn’t it about time that YOU looked at the evidence, and too rejected outmoded ways of thinking?

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 04, 2009, 08:43 AM | #

A proposed replacement for the delete button:

What’s needed is, when you get a post like Ak’s above, a button you can push that sends a signal back to the computer of origin that literally melts it instantly into a mass of molten, smoking gunk right before your eyes and sends a very high-voltage electric arc, 30,000 volts let’s say, from that pile of molten gunk through the air into anyone sitting nearby.  Anyone have an idea how to get something like that up and running?

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Posted by Dasein on November 04, 2009, 09:24 AM | #

Fred, that is the funniest thing I’ve read in a while.  Thanks for a good chuckle.  And it’s really the only way to respond to morons like Ak.  He’s not interested in EVIDENCE.  He’s reflexively lashing out because his cherished beliefs are based on a steaming pile of shit.  If he is interested in EVIDENCE, though, he could start with the Race FAQ, which is linked top left on the page.

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Posted by Brian on November 05, 2009, 01:22 PM | #

My father is a German jew (as where his parents) and is blond. My mother is British and is DARKER than him.  I would consider myself completely white and caucasian.  Such an odd question.  Since the nazi’s killed most European jews (who were WHITE Europeans with a different religion)...most jews are NOW (90% are mediterranean..thus darker).
But it IS just a religion.  Jesus was jewish!

And I actually consider mediterranean people to be caucasian as well (darker yes..but still caucasian).

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Posted by Baldwin de Cormier on November 05, 2009, 02:06 PM | #

My father is a German jew (as where his parents) and is blond.

That is not surprising.  No one ever posited that Jews did not intermarry with the Goyim.  There are plenty of instances of Jews looking European.  Jabob Schiff looked 100% Goy, for example.

Since the nazi’s killed most European jews (who were WHITE Europeans with a different religion)...most jews are NOW (90% are mediterranean..thus darker).
But it IS just a religion.

Lies.  Jews are not European, their origin is in the Near East.  They possess their own racial characteristics apart from Europeans.  Furthermore, they always work as an ethnic block whether they are atheists or practicing Jews - tribe always comes first.

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Posted by Frank on November 05, 2009, 09:13 PM | #

Brian,

you should read some of the criticisms of the Holocaust too.

Interesting how previous Jewish Holocaust claims (e.g.) of 6 million killed exist well before WWII. Even if one believes counter evidence is all lies and propaganda, the preexistence of the 6 million number ought to raise a flag.

It’s probably good the Holocaust is blown out of proportion. Were it legitimate, Jews would probably never be able to forgive Europeans, and yet would remain dependent on them. If one thing is certain: Jews hold grudges, haha.

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Posted by Frank on November 05, 2009, 09:16 PM | #

I favour separation, but I suspect Jews would want to continue relying on Europeans somehow. It’s tough to trust a people who bitterly hate you and blame you for countless crimes of which their ancestors are purely innocent.

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Posted by Frank on November 05, 2009, 09:17 PM | #

I meant of which Jews see their ancestors as purely innocent. The tales always go like that, and I know a lot of Jews - nice people as individuals though the group beliefs are a serious problem and the cause of past Jewish anti-European activism.

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Posted by tallon on November 10, 2009, 09:44 AM | #

i think most ashkenazi jews are a middle eastern/euro mix,with a lot more european bloodlines than dna tests suggest.Who is doing the tests?and who are they testing? I bet they only test the “semitic"looking jews,and leave out the fair haired,and light skinned “nordic"looking ones.Certainly the ones here in australia look nothing like the arabs.We have a large arabic population,and a sizeable jewish one,and the jews look a good deal more european than the arabs,and middle eastern people do.Their skin,hair,facial features and eyes are completely different. To suggest there has been little inter mixing over the centuries is just crap! i have eyes! there probably hasnt been much intermarriage,but im sure there has been a lot of illigitemate babies born to jewish mothers,which would explain the fair skin,or blonde hair.Remember jewishness comes from the mother,and with good reason….....

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Posted by Tom on December 02, 2009, 04:23 PM | #

You people are freaking insane.  Do you have any clue how paranoid, absurd, racist, and ignorant you sound?  Must be nice to concoct a “bogeyman” to scapegoat every problem you have.  Do you actually think that Europe and its original tribes were some sort of Nirvana?!?  Dear Lord - learn some history, real history and not the absurd, self-reinforcing BS that you’re passing off as some sort of discovered “truth”. You should be embarrassed.

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Posted by Dasein on December 02, 2009, 04:46 PM | #

The latest from JWH on this topic:

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Sallis-Rational.html

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Posted by American on December 02, 2009, 06:17 PM | #

You people are freaking insane.

No.

Do you have any clue how paranoid, absurd, racist, and ignorant you sound?

No.  We aren’t Marxists who believe that race is not important or that whites bear some kind of mythical guilt for what our ancestors may or may not have done, I guess these days that means “paranoid, absurd, racist, and ignorant.”

How about targeting white people, and white people only, for extinction.  Isn’t that absurd?  Isn’t that racist?  What do you expect us to do but protest it?  You think we need to be nice to our enemies, well we aren’t going to play by your rules.

Must be nice to concoct a “bogeyman” to scapegoat every problem you have.

Typical communist claptrap.  I could swear that white people are your “bogeymen”, since you throw it out there, you hypocrite.  Here you are trying to guilt trip us, you numpty, exactly as anti-whites always do and the irony of it completely escapes you.  Also, pointing out the bad behavior of groups, be they Jews or blacks, is not scapegoating.  It is telling the hard truth about aggressors and enemies.

Do you actually think that Europe and its original tribes were some sort of Nirvana?!?

Straw man.  No one here has ever considered Europe to be perfect.  But it was a darn sight better, even at its worst, than sub-Saharan Africa, for instance.

Dear Lord - learn some history, real history and not the absurd, self-reinforcing BS that you’re passing off as some sort of discovered “truth”. You should be embarrassed.

I would be willing to bet a large sum of money that I’ve forgotten more about history than you will ever know.  What do you want to talk about, hot shot?  And since you’re denigrating our history I’d be glad to denigrate yours, whichever place you originate from.  I can guarantee you that whatever “ugly truth” you speak of in Europe that I can drudge up worse about your kind.

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Posted by Peter on December 02, 2009, 07:21 PM | #

Dasein,

Are you sure that Ted Sallis is JW Holliday?

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Posted by Metal Gear on December 27, 2009, 03:40 PM | #

Yes it’s the same person.  JWH = Ted Sallis.

As for the article, I disagree on two points.

1)t Jews don’cluster around Palestinians but around Armenians, Kurd and Turks.  In other words they are closer to Europeans then they are to Arabs.  They are distinguishable from all nationalities but closer to Euros than to Arabs.
2)Anthropologically, Caucasoids are a single race.  While I disapprove of Middle Eastern and North African immigration into Europe, these people are not Negroes, Mongols or Mexicans.  Anthropologically, they are third world whites of darker skin.  If they use the term white as a slur against Europeans, that doesn’t affect my position on what they are.

Another important point is that phenotype isn’t determined by autosomal DNA, but a small amount of genes.

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Posted by Dasein on December 27, 2009, 06:56 PM | #

No, Fred, I think he’s just saying that he only distinguishes between men and women smile

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Posted by Ron Jones on March 22, 2010, 06:46 AM | #

I am married to a Polynesian/Melanesian. my kids look half black, so don’t think that I am racist by my comments. I personally believe most differences between us are cultural, not racial- but I have witnessed first hand that some traits are definitely hard-wired into us genetically. I am an American living in Tonga and I have noticed that some people here have uncontrollable urge to lie. I know some individuals who find it nearly impossible to speak any truth whatsoever. One friend of mine suffers from this affliction and he was not raised anywhere near biological mother who has this same trait. He was raised actually by a very honest woman who never lies and his wife and the woman who raised him frequently comment on this tendency of theirs and wonder about why he and his mother both have this uncontrollable urge to lie and swindle people.

On another subject, could it be perhaps that Jewish people are actively seeking the extinction of the “white” race because that screws with their world view that they are God’s chosen race and superior to everyone else? I have been traveling the world for years now and I have yet to meet one native who isn’t totally enthralled with white women. It seems to be common consensus amongst all races and cultures that white woman’s fine features are somehow superior to the more aboriginal features and thus more desirable. This can be easily confirmed by the fact that in most Asian countries, blond prostitutes are the highest paid. Compare for yourself the looks of an average Jewish woman with those of an average Swedish woman (for example) and decide who you think is more refined and attractive. Also look at the issue of race and I.Q.- It was thought that Asians had the highest I.Q.s until recently and now it is common consensus in the scientific community that European score on average higher than all other races. Racism sucks, but doesn’t it appear that there is definitely an attack on the white race by the liberal media? Who is leading this attack? What race most conflicts with the Jewish concept that they are God’s chosen people and the most superior race? It looks to me that whites put Jews to shame and they cannot allow that. They can, in their eyes feel superior to everyone else but whites- so they must go.

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Posted by Tom on July 12, 2010, 10:05 PM | #

My grandfather who is an ashkenazi jew took a DNA test and got only things from South Eastern Europe no arabs or anything like that.

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Posted by Al Birah on September 02, 2010, 09:42 AM | #

The only race that spread around entire world. I never saw any white Jews.

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Posted by Gretchen on September 09, 2010, 08:05 PM | #

I am a “black” American woman.  This conversation is so amazing to me.  I suppose cultural or racial diversity could explain why I’m perplexed, but what about the human factor?

Do “white” people of ANY race care about HUMAN BEINGS apart from numbers and figures?  Is race and class so important that people get slaughtered over it?  Who cares what color your skin is?

I would rather be part of a group of LIKE MINDED people than LIKE COLORED people.  I want to live in peace and it is LAUGHABLE that someone referred to Jews as parasites.  Really?  They FORCED Wall Street and it’s greed and hedonism on you?  They forced you to join secret societies to prepare for the genocide of entire human races?

They forced you to sell your souls for fame and fortune no matter who you hurt?

You, “white man” take responsibility for yourselves as I tell my people to.  I don’t blame “white people” for anything.  I know Lucifer/Satan uses whoever is willing - Black, White, Red and Yellow.

Please repent from self centered, self serving, manipulative behavior.  Love your children and teach them to respect others.

You spend so much time and money on science and technology and seem to be missing what’s really important and that’s GOOD BEHAVIOR.

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Posted by Gretchen on September 09, 2010, 08:21 PM | #

Also, being a Black American, I took the TIME TO FIGURE OUT who is “white” and who is “Jewish”/“a Jew”.  I live in southern California where everyone in Hollywood looks “white”, but is more than likely Jewish.

I think science can be a crude instrument when in the wrong hands, just as religion/politics.  Power hungry people are always using science, religion, race, class, hair color to divide and conquer.  Once the power hungry gain power, they become arrogant.  Too arrogant to see what GOES UP, MUST COME DOWN.  And one doesn’t need to have attended Oxford nor Cambridge to figure THAT one out.

I wish “white” races would stop terrorizing and trying to manipulate the masses.  Does one wonder HOW the so called Jew was ABLE TO DESTROY the “white” race?  Did you make it easier for them?

Did we make it easier for you “white man”?  Did we anger our God and he delivered us to your hand?  Possibly.  So, to that possibility, I will CHECK MYSELF.  MY SOUL.  MY INTENTION.  MY INTEGRITY.  MY TRUTH.  I will turn to my God and ask for forgiveness and to be delivered.  But that’s just me.

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Posted by guidoslav on September 09, 2010, 08:57 PM | #

Gretchen,

As a white n*gger American, I alone am qualified to answer you.

Who cares what color your skin is?

You identify yourself as black twice, first tentatively as “black”, then proudly, I assume, as Black American. Evidently, then, you care, and evidently we care. So there you are.

I would rather be part of a group of LIKE MINDED people than LIKE COLORED people.

Perhaps you are an assimilated black and desire not to be around your baser brethren.

I know Lucifer/Satan uses whoever is willing - Black, White, Red and Yellow.

Let’s not forget the unfortunate Polka-Dotted.

Power hungry people are always using science, religion, race, class, hair color to divide and conquer. 

Power hungry people are always denying science, religion, race, class, hair color to quantify and conquer.

I wish “white” races would stop terrorizing and trying to manipulate the masses.

We are with you in this.

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Posted by Gretchen on September 09, 2010, 09:50 PM | #

@guidoslav

The reason I stated I was Black twice is because this is a VERY “white” blog.  I didn’t want my name to lead you to think I was German or anything.

I am not PROUD to be anything except for an upstanding human being who was born knowing the difference between right and wrong, so I hold myself responsible.  I also come from a society/culture that hates Blacks and anything dark for that matter.  I am not ashamed (though I do wonder what my mother and grandmother were thinking naming me Gretchen (after my aunt) of all names), but I am not proud either.

I am proud that I don’t lie, kill, steal, manipulate, cause strife, gossip, or cheat on my husband.  My Black husband.

If people stopped looking in the mirror and began looking within to find the void that consumes their mind and spirit, the world would be a better place.

As for my “baser brothers”, those are the lawless, the soul-less, COWARDICE (looking within to solve the world’s problems) and they come in EVERY color.  Including polka dots *wink*

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Posted by Gretchen on September 09, 2010, 09:56 PM | #

@guidoslav

“COWARDICE (looking within to solve the world’s problems)”

I meant to say NOT looking within to solve the world’s problems.

I am not racist.  I am tired.  I am tired of white people and black people.  White people run around like the dang sky is falling all the time and black people are either running behind you guys because we are just as lost or we don’t believe you guys are so afraid you are dissecting folks blood, counting atoms and chromosomes to make sense out of life and history.

The human condition is a HOT MESS.  All of us are just screwed.  I’m going to pray.  I suggest y’all do the same from Brittan to India to New Guinea.  Whoever your God/god is, I suggest you ask for help because it is the blind leading the blind in here and if us blacks are following you- God help us.

Much love people.  Peace.

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Posted by Thorn on September 09, 2010, 10:32 PM | #

“I am proud that I don’t lie, kill, steal, manipulate, cause strife, gossip, or cheat on my husband.”

Good grief! Those are things you’re supposed to do as a matter of course! Everyone is required to do those things in a civilized society. It’s called basic standards, not some sort of accomplishment to be proud of.

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Posted by guidoslav on September 10, 2010, 08:36 AM | #

White people run around like the dang sky is falling all the time and black people are either running behind you guys because we are just as lost

You’re far more lost than you know.

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Posted by gt1085 on December 11, 2010, 08:41 PM | #

Now to me,Yes they are whiteI believe but from a different house in the European decent,russia,and yes thier out of the west too,and the whites get blamed for these so called jews hiding amonst the caucasian race most know some are blindly led cause the european church cannot tell you the truth constantly lying to its people knowing i has to lying that is a spell put over its people that theyuse you for thier evils work,the priest know this,the church cannot give up Satan,,He leads your church,you are tho slowly waking up,but it will be to late for the House of the caucasians,your people have and are sell you out to your death,And saying you have nothing too do it you inherit it from your fathers as we have done the 100,200,000 have paid you think you are great or better?As it stand not 1 white will no make the Knew Jerusalem,but you have succeeded inridding the plant other than yourselves.

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Posted by gt1085 on December 11, 2010, 08:52 PM | #

You say you read the Bible,and donot understand it content,You live in denial to know yourself and who you are,What have we Done?Until you know yourselve this cannot be fixed,God said,I will remove Myself from you,that you cannot no Me,He`s done you cant others no-caucasians can

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Posted by Roger on March 24, 2011, 06:50 PM | #

intermarriages between racially Jews and Europeans is obvious..just look at African-Americans in the U.S..some are not that black (with no intent to offend) as their counterparts in Africa..some..even few have colored eyes and lighter skin..that will happen to the Latinos also,..which lots of them are already white because of the Europeans settling in Mexico etc…is called integrating…that is why some Jews look white and some Jews look middle eastern..and like they say being a Jew is not a race but a religion..!

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Posted by emily_nicole on July 06, 2011, 08:05 PM | #

I am an American Jewish girl who has always identified herself as white. Like on standardized tests, I would circle that I’m caucasian. I look white (straight light brown hair and blue eyes) and no one would know I was Jewish if I didn’t tell them. According to this article, being a “real” white person means that you must have DNA of the ancient European societies. I don’t understand why a white person would be racist against another white person based on DNA. If the physical traits are indistinguishable, then why do people care. If you get to know and like the person on a personal level, then why should a labeled race, even based on scientific or historical evidence, matter at all? Just say..

I learned in middle school that everyone came from Africa, and that features changed gradually based on environmental conditions.  We still all possess the same DNA structure.  Differences in race does not mean different species, right? People tend to focus on differences between societies MUCH more than similarities.

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Posted by CS on July 06, 2011, 08:31 PM | #

emily_nicole,

Read this.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/10/19/5378/

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Posted by anon on July 07, 2011, 06:25 AM | #

If the physical traits are indistinguishable, then why do people care.

They are not indistinguishable. We are not you. You are not us. You are closer to us than blacks. That is all.

If you get to know and like the person on a personal level,

We have gotten to know your people and we do not like you “on a personal level”, nor any.

We still all possess the same DNA structure.

I possess the same structure as every other normal male on the planet; does this mean we are exactly alike?

People tend to focus on differences between societies MUCH more than similarities.

Then obviously something is wrong with your universalist mythos that those similarities ought to be our focus rather than difference, which is a universal concern. If “people tend” to favor one mode of over, there is usually good reason for it. You cannot undo it with preachy, pleading tones.

Forget what you learned in middle school, kiddo. This is big people speak.

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Posted by Eurometal Sr. on September 24, 2011, 09:33 PM | #

WN’s are bunch of retards.
Poor white folks who blame outsiders for own IQ level degradation since Renaissance.
Once you start persecuting Jews, you dig own graves, folks.
WHY DON’T YOU GET CALIPERS & START MEASURING SKULLS AMONGST YOURSELVES, FIND DIFFERENCES & START SLAUGHTER.

Anyways,
I am Jewish.  And I am White.  Not even Caucasian smile
I mean, with UTTELY BLUE EYES, fair skin, 5’9 heightm addiction to Heavy music, fast cars & women,
I am whiter than WN retards.
I bet I am more useful to Whites , then some “proper” whites i.e. KKK & WN & Stormfornt - you name it, to themselves.

Point is, our common problem is low birthrate.
The danger to you is now not us, Jews.  It’s Subsaharan Africa & Muslims.  But if you wanna be bad, you deserve to be conquered by Muslims,.
Have a nice day.

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Posted by jewgoldberg on October 22, 2011, 12:15 PM | #

Eurometal Sr.
~“I am Jewish.  And I am White.”

Do jews share in the jewish proscribed white guilt?
The fact that you state you are jew first and white is your backup is no coincidence. You cant pick and choose whatever suits best at the time.


~“The danger to you is now not us, Jews.  It’s Subsaharan Africa & Muslims.  But if you wanna be bad, you deserve to be conquered by Muslims,.”

Jew are the number one danger. After all they are responsible for forming such policies that flood us with third wolrd undesirables.

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Posted by GoyMaster2.0 on February 06, 2012, 08:06 PM | #

The Age Old Question.

Who is a Jew?

A Race ? A Religion ?

The Question itself really spotlights the War that is being waged upon us. Ablity to exchange ideas and concepts is hindered when set definitions for words are “hateful”. It is a tactic that affects your enemies ability to unify and fight against you - or your interests. When definitions and classifications cannot be made , then ideas and concepts cannot flow from one to another without confusion. Words like Capitalist, Liberal, Conservative , Jew , Semite, Race, European, Religion become difficult to use in conversation with your average zio-goat shabbos goy self-hateing white..

Before the year 1775 the word Jew did not exist.

The word came from translations of the Bible.

In the bible it is used to refer those that live within an area of land - known as Judaea.

Co-incidentally around the exact time the word was translated from “Iews” to “Jews”  “a well-organized and well-financed international “pressure group” created a so-called “secondary meaning” for the word “Jew” among the English speaking peoples of the world. This so-called “secondary meaning” for the word “Jew” bears no relation whatsoever to the 18th century original connotation of the word “Jew.” It is a misrepresentation. ” This occured between the 18th and 20th century.

If religion is an indivudual beleif system, then anyone can be a jew, but if it depends on the acceptance into a group ?....not so much. I can say I am in the MAFIA and even ACT like im in the MAFIA that doesn’t neccesarily make me a member of the Itallian Mafia. which raises the question that if the members of said group are not like minded, or if the group only exists to profit - is it really a religion?
Religion is linked to behaviour , mannerisms ect which are clearly linked to dna/genetics , the same genetics which cause race/ appearance. Humans were linking together behaviour/mannerism’s with Race/appearance LONNNNGGG before anyone knew anything about DNA and longgg before the infantile idea that race is a social contruct and is dictated by environmental conditions.


The people in Jesus’s time read a religous book called the Torah.
But some of them taught the written law(the torah) by day , and taught the mishrah by night which cancelled out most of the written law, which Jesus apparently did not like, in the bible he calls these people Pharisies and Scribes (also refered to them in negative light as snakes and vipers).

They eventually turned this oral law (mishrah) into writing. Over time because of the nature of these people, this written law was perverted time and time again until it became what is now known today as the Talmud (aka modern day jewish religion)
Ashkenazi jews, which are the ones that look white are descended from the Khazarian Kingdom which converted to this Talmudic Religion around 1400 years ago - a religion which is against the laws of the Torah.

For example taxing water is expressly forbidden in the Torah - yet on every bottle of water you can get your hands on you will find the Kosher Tax symbol U/K/k/CoR which means a Talmudic rabbi has been payed to bless the food and/or ensured that it adheres to the food rules in the Torah. The rabbi sends his cut to the kosher organisation and most likely send a cut to the boss-Israel. If a company refuses to pay for the kosher tax , Jewish organisations will rally together and boycott the company for who-knows what at the behest of they’re priestly class handlers, with the help of the press they will make it financially more viable to just pay the gangster fee - just like the mafia.

They define the rules of the torah the same way they define everything else. If it is to their benefit, they accept it , if not, they don’t. If “being white” is profitable for them at the time, they will claim they are - and perhaps (in some cases) have jussssst enough aryan blood to justify it. But oversly, if it is not beneficial, for example when white liberals cry that all whites should bow-down to blacks and indians ect , then they are distict enough to be different and special(and will cry all day to you about how the evil aryans opressed their people too!). You cant have it both ways…..unless you control certain peices of societies infrastructure it seems (like Education/Money supply). As well as other methods of indoctrination and programming ( MEDIA ).

When the organization needs to be a Race to suit a function of purpose ....it’s a race….........when it needs to be a religion to suit a function or purpose…..then it is a Religion .............anything is possible when you’ve seized control of the mass majority of programming for the best method of brainwashing ever invented ( Television ). And have laws like here in Canada to imprison “hater crimes”(aka -thought crime). With the left side of their cheek they proudly boast how smart and gifted they are and how they control the news or the banks or the government…..whilst from the right side they defame any non-jew for repeating their own words as “anti-semetic” and “racist” (whilst maintaining that jews are a ethnoreligious(ethnic/religious) group, of course). Wouldn’t wanna lose that religous human-shield, +6 Strength +3 Armour.
Ethnicity became a word in the 1970’s i beleive, now it starts to make sense?
Accounting for only 1% of the population here in Canada , and only around 2% for the United States, yet controlling most levers of power, it doesn’t take very long to realise there is some conspiring going on.(and not the beneficial kind)

When Isra-hell digg’s up old jewish cemetaries so they can build roads, it’s the real jews in the area that get upset (which you will never see on television because they are anthropoligically the same as “Talmudic Jews” which would hella-confuse most average zio-commie-libs). The 20,000-40,000 jews in Iran are an example of real religious jews. Isra-Hell offered these real jews $10,000 a head to come live in Isra-hell, so they could play the “Iran persecutes jews” card. Fortunatly they respectfully declined the oh-so-generous offer. 

I guess you could call the new version of Judaism “Political Judaism” as opposed to “Religous Judaism” as the older version has some actual spiritual angle to it, for the most part the new created version does not.

The hard truth is that racially most people who call themselves jews or Modern Jews are Mongrels (a mix of racial groups) , it explains why they have larger numbers of members with certain specific unnatractive features (nose, posture, eyes, ect), and also explains their hate for every other racial group with any purity. 
Basically all the most intelligent mongrels have gotten together and created a Political Religion that they use against everyone else. 
They only pretend to be a race so they can call you racist and anti-semetic, to them race is only another tool to be used agaisnt their enemies(all who stand in their way), there is no genetic test that can distinguish jew from non-jew , or non-jew from jew. The genetic proof for the existance of Jews as a race is simply not there, but they certainly try their best to convince the gullible that DNA and genetics proove that to be true.
The current theory on the jews is that they are an amalgamation of the worst of all races, i.e. the worst of the White, Asian and Negro races mixed into one single bastard breed of degenerate evil scum.
You can say whatever you want about Europeans(Aryans) or Christians or Jesus or Muslims or Islam , but question Holocaustianity or Jews/Israel and you will go to jail, and they will tell you that is why your going to jail when they lock you up.

Why else would they hate Jesus Christ & Adolf Hitler so much other then the fact they hate justice and love injustice. Hate - thats a jew thing, it’s not permitted for US goy….

Thank You All

For a Good Laugh, Search - Evian Conference

Seig Heil !

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Posted by jennyo on June 23, 2012, 10:27 PM | #

I was born jewish but don’t practice any religion. I am so white, i wish i was tanned with olive skin. I guess i didn’t luck out this time. Oh well. Who cares about skin, race, religion, ethnicity, we are all equal, all need the same things in life, i think we should all just get along. hugs anyone?

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Posted by BSW on September 06, 2012, 03:30 AM | #

Whether jews are white or not,they are not like us.They have different values,different interests,different morality and a different view of themselves relative to other ethnic groups.Whether it comes from their genes or their religion,it is bad for our people.Their support for cultural pluralism,for example,may be great for them,but it will destroy us and the civilizations our people built.I would be happy to get along with jews,as many WNs would,if they were really like us,but they arent.Sure there are individual exceptions.There are jews who are not zionist,and there are jews who support sane immigration policy,and jews who dont hate jesus,the cross,or gentiles.But the jews as a whole are supporting policies which are leading our people to the precipice of extinction,and we have a right to preserve ourselves and not let the media jews persuade us to date blacks,or disconnect from our own culture or engage in degenerate behavior or welcome the non-white hordes who will make us strangers in our own countries.

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Posted by pussy arse "WHITE" nationalist on October 30, 2012, 09:58 AM | #

Sob, sob, sob.
Whine, whine, moan, moan.

I an angry, limped dicked, pussy begging, sex starved White nationalist loser. I hate those pesky jews. I hate those pesky niggers. I hate them muslims. I hate those slitty eyed yellow asians but I love fucking their small shapeless women because I’m a closet fag.
I just hate everything. I need to blame everything and everyone else for the fact that “white” european populations are stagnant but not man up and realise that they are stagnant because because us white europeans aren’t fucking each other….............. and have inferior genes and can’t fuck!

Time for me to whine and bitch about everything on Stormfront.
See ya

14 words, Sieg Heil, the destruction of the ZOG and White Power!

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Posted by D on December 23, 2012, 06:09 AM | #

no , jews are not white, they are a yellow white… jews are not blonde blue eyed, which hitler wanted for his people because jews cannot assimilate that race.. in america there are now black jews , chinese jews, mexican jew, and they all push the message its okay to be jew, lets look at history , hitler stopped the jews from taking over their country , jews cried to america help us overthrow hitler and the rest is history not quite, jews control the world now through media manipulation, jews dont want peace they want the planet and everyone that isnt a jew will be a slave…. funny thats what they said hitler was doing….jews lie thats why our politicians are jews not christians like before .  tv had holsom shows with values now all i see are cop and war show and show showing you its okay to kill radiated people asking for help( WALKING DEAD OR TOYS that promote death , christian tv shows morally right , jews tv shows cops and death, they spin tv or realty tv to show you how fun it is to work.. be a slave to someone, 
when you taik to hard- line jews because i am not a jew they wont taik to you because i am below therm., ive had rocks thrown at me because i questioned them..the jews seem to controll whos anti semetic and who isnt . if your in the media making money for jews but not jewish , your okay till you stop making them money… then your jewish controllers activate insurace plan B , this is where the jewish controllers have a life insurance policy on you and they activate it when you stop making money.. all the media do it called protecting intrests… peace keepers or peace activistes are killed by jews , lincoln , kennedy , j lennon, martin l king , tu poc shakur, janice joplin , elvis , m jackson , whitney houston , look a wiki peace activists and see that all the activists have what police call a common ..... theyre all dead like the jews are bragging…. look they set up A einstien as a hero a peace activists and yet the guy slaughtered nagisaki and hiroshima… creator of the bomb… how to take over the world 1) control media jews, 2 control banking jews, 3 military jews.. enslavement is coming ... christians support peace jews support war and dead..
BUT DO YOU KNOW WHO THE DUMBEST PEOPLE ON THE PLANET ARE????
YOU ARE….......... you worry about another plane of exsitence heaven and hell…. when you should realize earth is heavan and hell… it s what you make or allow to happen, jews conned you into thinking that there is better when there is none.
YOU COME FROM NOWHERE ,, for anaverage of 80 yrs you will be on this planet.. then go back to nowhere…  NO HEAVAN NO GOD NO HELL , NO DEVIL,  just people making your stay on earth well not free anyway…. IF THERE WAS A GOD, people who were good and prayed and lived by the bible would be saved when something evil happens to them but theyre not saved they die also…... man sends probes into space saying come to earth we are peacefull and yet earth is always at war….. no peace on earth for at least 3000 years , then when and if something shows up… we’ll destroy it and take what ever we want and justify it in the end… 80 YEARS ON THIS PLANET for as smart as you humans think you are ... you cant see the truth because you are not supposed to .... you are supposed to se the jewish truth ... you live wotk and die for them ....... thats why hitler wanted them out of his country and when the jews wouldn’t leave the jews elite and hitler went to war. IS HITLER EVIL BECAUSE HE WAS PROTECTING HIS PEOPLE from JEWISH METHODOLOGY… america got a onesided tainted view from the jews of course…..look at history lincoln freed the blacks from slavery a jew control and they shot lincoln for it , kennedy didnt do what he was elected for, did an about face for PEACE instead of war and was shot for it ...HERES WHAT I HAVE LEARNED ON THIS STAY ON EARTH…............... THEY TALK PEACE BUT ALWAY FIGHT speak of freedoms but take away you liberties… tell you everything is ok when its not…........everyone should get along but they create disadence…........ if everyone in the world realized they had only 80 years on this planet .. you would see people advance instead of being held back distractd by a cell phone… a pocket comunicator ooh look a new app   oh joy… i dont know wre id be with out my phone .... moron you give money to people who will soon enslave you then it will be manditory to have a cell phone so your master can call and keep track of you. humans dont answer to ahigher power they answer there phones…. morons… well ive got about 25 years left on the planet if no one tries to kill me . i wanted to be a peacekeeper or activst but when curt cobain died thats when i realized they are killing people that stand up for peace i first realized when it when john lennon died… he told media he would use all his time and money to fight against war and 7 months later lennon is dead in a unsolved case, no gun was ever found on the killer or in area , just a book…cover up….PEACE ON EARTH ha WHAT A JOKE JEWS EVEN HAVE YOU BELIEVING IN GHOSTS AND UFO , if a ufo is actully seen, trust me there is no alien life. its man made.IF YOU WANT PEACE…. GET RID OF RELIGION….its man made not god made…. religion is not good its a stepping stone to justify war instead of saying lining the pockets of rich… tvs are in your house becouse it is to confuse you lie to you and mainly to show you things so they can manipulate you….tryno tv for a week and see how stress free you are…. no fear mongering , no lies that their product is better, no terror threats , no stupid reality show that promise but dont deliver… no police show which have now flooded the airwaves , again inuendos of police state or slavery… they show images you you get used to it so it becomes the normal,, death and enslavement is not normal… well ive wasted an hour of my 80 yrs if you cant take a hint well then moron you deserve whats comeing nwo ................

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Posted by Thorn on December 23, 2012, 09:39 AM | #

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

Oh dear, did Daniels run out of his meds again?

or

As a take-off of Obama’s: “If had a son he’d look like Trayvon.”

If Daniels had a son, he’d think like D.

HEH!

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Posted by DanielS on December 23, 2012, 10:41 AM | #

Not quite, Thornblossom,

Though we do recognize your unwavering dedication to Jewish interests.

If not unrequited, it might land you a daughter or granddaughter like this:


http://www.celebritybabyscoop.com/2009/10/22/mayim-bialik-talks-holistic-parenting/gallery/1

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Posted by Thorn the mediocre on December 23, 2012, 11:13 AM | #

Unlike danny’s revengeful impulses (that, btw, border on mental illness), here’s a sensible man’s approach to dealing with Jews:

“The Anti-Defamation League writes that [Jared] Taylor eschews anti-Semitism. Seeing Jews as white, greatly influential and the “conscience of society,” Taylor rather seeks to partner with Jews who share his views on race and racial diversity” and “Jews have been speakers and/or participants at all eight American Renaissance conferences” although controversy followed accusations by David Duke, who was not a scheduled presenter, at the 2006 conference.[2] Taylor in response wrote that “There will be no more disgraceful behavior of this kind if people who attend AR conferences bear in mind that Jews have a valuable role in the work of American Renaissance, and are welcome participants and speakers. Anyone who thinks otherwise has the choice of staying home or keeping his views to himself.”[8]”

Is Jared Taylor being pragmatic or is he a sell out?

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Posted by DanielS. on December 23, 2012, 11:24 AM | #

Now now thorn the disingenuous, your unsolicited psychological evaluation would not be politically skewed by a desperation to affix the parasite to us, would it?

No, Thorn the disingenuous, I know why I do what I do.

And unlike you, I recognize the context and act in an appropriate manner accordingly.

Take a look at MR’s left hand column once again:


Controlled Opposition

  American Renaissance
  Gates of Vienna
  Stuff Black People Don’t Like


I am not going to American Renaissance and giving them or Jared Taylor a hard time. If you like their approach, then go there.

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Posted by Leon Haller on December 23, 2012, 08:23 PM | #

There is something you and so many other WNs can’t seem to grasp, Daniel; namely, that it might be useful to draw a distinction between Europe and the New World wrt the JQ. Although Jews have had an extensive history in Europe - and in any moral calculus that fact can’t simply be ignored - I think we can agree that, at some level (whether DNA or psyche/culture), they are different from us, and that there ought to be an Aryan-only zone somewhere for our people to develop in accordance with their own inner ‘genius’ or mental essence.

That zone is obviously Europe. Ethically, it is not unjust to demand the exclusion/removal of Jewry from Europe. First, Jews never really assimilated to European nations (even if they could, which is doubtful, at least as a community - there are doubtless white Europeans today who think of themselves simply as French or German, etc, but whom genetic analysis would reveal possess some Jewish heritage; should they be expelled? I think that would be too extreme ... recall my definition of “white”: if a man looks white, acts white, and fights white - he’s white ).

Second, as a function of Hitler and the Holocaust (or, if that term and the historical reality it denotes bothers you, say instead, the mass emigration of Jewry from Europe in the 30s and 40s), there just aren’t that many Jews left in Europe, so stripping this remainder of citizenship, and then dictating that they leave within a specified period, would be functionally easy, and not such a large-scale injustice (for injustice at one level - the individual - it would be, even if at the different collective level it would not be).

Third, the injustice-at-the-indivdual-level is heavily lessened or mitigated by the fact that today the expelled Jews have an ethnostate of their own, and thus somewhere to go to (not to mention North America), and, moreover, that they are prosperous and that travel and resettlement are comparatively simple. A Jew told to leave France in 2013 would not be in a remotely comparable position to our white brothers in contemporary Southern Africa, who are being viciously persecuted and economically dispossessed, and literally (disgracefully) have nowhere to go. A French Jew today can simply pack up and move to Israel or the US. A hassle in individual cases no doubt, but history is messy, and, from a Christian perspective (I don’t believe in atheist morality or “rights” outside of a theistic metaphysics; thus, if there is no God, then do what the hell you want in life, with Jews, etc; rights-talk for human animals is as meaningless as it would be for any other animals), the collective justice of maintaining white, Christian civilization supersedes the individual injustice done to any innocent Jew in expelling him merely for not being Aryan. 

Fourth, any residual injustice attaching to Jewish mass-expulsion from Europe is decidedly reduced if not eliminated by the historical reality of Jewish communal, political and ideological (and sometimes criminal) misbehavior and general ingratitude directed towards their Aryan territorial hosts. Jews have been the main instigators of anti-Christian, as well as both antiwhite and communist, movements and policies in the modern world. Even assuming the historical falsity of both Jewish ritual tortures and murders of Christian children, as well as various alleged subversive political conspiracies (eg, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion), Jewish leadership and disproportional presence in the greatest criminal conspiracy of all time - the God-killing, Church-destroying, Occident-destroying, nation-killing, race-destroying, and property-stealing Bolshevik movement - cannot be gainsaid, nor forgotten or really forgiven (not without extreme debasement, wailing, self-flagellation and pleas for forgiveness from the Jewish community as a whole, which most certainly have never been forthcoming in the slightest). Jewish communal involvement in movements of subversion against the Christian West over the past several centuries (continuing right up to the present day) have, from a Christian standpoint, de-moralized any Jewish claims for moral consideration beyond the most basic. Jewish communal misbehavior and racial/nation/religious undermining do not merit Hitlerian extermination, but they certainly merit territorial and civic expulsion (the same applies to the historic criminality, to which is added contemporary welfare-socialist parasitism, of the Gypsies, who likewise should be expelled - finally! - from Europe, and returned to their ancient ancestral lands of South Asia).

So, wrt Europe, I call for its being made judenrein. Justice for the indigenous demands nothing less.

But, wrt the New World, the situation is completely different. Yes, here, too, Jews push secularism, socialism, multiculturalism, immigrationism, feminism, etc. But though Aryans founded and settled and mostly built the US, Canada, Australia and NZ, these have not been our people’s lands from time immemorial. I believe any of these nations, once founded, had a moral right to restrict immigration however it so pleased, and that the more developed we became, the proportionally stronger and more rooted this “right of restriction” grew (this is a very important philosophical point, which I hope is recognized as such - I intend to develop it in future academic publications, after my current program is finished). But, alas, we did not keep out the Jews (or other non-Aryans). They came to our shores legally, and were legally made citizens. Absent some “deus ex machina” exterminatory civil war (or an incredibly unlikely religious awakening and voluntary mass-emigration to Israel), which would nullify all political predictions, the Jews are here to stay. So how should we deal with that reality?

Thorn’s point, and mine, is that, quite apart from the ethical nuances and complications of American anti-semitism, such a politics discredits and distracts from the larger and real issues of ending immigration as well as the increasing dispossession and declining citizenship status of whites (today we are second class - but tomorrow third? or fourth, if also male?). Discussing Jews is very tricky in the US, and not only because of their media, political, economic, professional, legal, and intellectual power and influence. It is so because of the large number of (theologically errant) evangelical Christian Zionists, for whom deep attachment to Israel and Jews is a religious obligation (don’t get me started on the assininity of these types; I’m an old-stock Catholic, please remember), not to mention the thorough integration of Jews into most sectors of American life, especially urban life, and the positive personal and professional relationships that many white Americans have formed with Jews as a result of it. You can’t just expect whites to ignore all this because of some statements by you or Alex Linder or even Kevin MacDonald.

The far more intelligent tack (even for a committed anti-semite, which I am not - though the Jews themselves, based on this comment, would so classify me) is precisely that taken by American Renaissance and vdare.com and similar others. Focus on the areas of racial outrage that are the most clearly visible and threatening, as well as visceral and easily understood - black crime and nonwhite immigration. Those also happen to constitute, for normal whites living their day-to-day lives, the most important racial issues (perhaps with affirmative action racism thrown in, esp for white men in schools or some corporations, and the military and law enforcement). Simultaneously, work on building up positive white awareness of our race’s achievements and heritage. Over time, as we build white pride and achieve some racial victories (say, reducing immigration, or narrowing if not eliminating affirmative action), we can always ‘up’ our demands. Even for the most committed Nazi, wisdom counsels patience. This is a long, regenerative struggle. We should not over-marginalize ourselves by being too extreme at the beginning (which is where we still are, and will remain, until we start developing some movement shrewdness).

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Posted by DanielS on December 24, 2012, 03:01 AM | #

Leon, you certainly have dumped a load here, but what else is new?

I will try to shovel through this one matter at at a time:


Posted by Leon Haller on December 23, 2012, 08:23 PM | #

There is something you and so many other WNs can’t seem to grasp, Daniel; namely, that it might be useful to draw a distinction between Europe and the New World wrt the JQ

No, Leon, it is not useful in terms of what is to be done. While the historical circumstances are somewhat different, their power and influence on persons of native European extraction, in either place, has been markedly pejorative. Let me repeat the seven choke points and add a new one: 1) international banking and finance; 2) politics; 3) media; 4) academia; 5) law/courts; 6) religion; 7) business/corporations; let me add 8) the bio-properties of their group evolutionary pattern - all having hegemonic effects in the US as they have in Europe - to the detriment of persons of European extraction. Hence, the proper course in either place, is separatism from Jews. This does not mean embarking upon a headlong program of deporting them; we are nowhere near being able to impose any sort of proactive agenda. We are rather at the stage of tactical separation. Once the alliance of our who question is solidified (native Europeans who respect our distinct European categories), we might consider if Jews (who are not native Europeans) are in a place they do not belong and what might be done about it.


Next, you say:


there are doubtless white Europeans today who think of themselves simply as French or German, etc, but whom genetic analysis would reveal possess some Jewish heritage; should they be expelled? I think that would be too extreme ... recall my definition of “white”: if a man looks white, acts white, and fights white - he’s white ).

The first I heard of that definition of White is from Bob Mathews; and it is largely fine - the thing about Jews is that they do not act white; that is very reliable - just look at who they vote for in the elections, for example. But there are a myriad of examples of how they do not act White.

For the next issue, if someone has traces of Jewish DNA:

First of all, it depends upon how much; we can start by persons who are predominantly Jewish and exclude them from our DNA Nation, yes: and that is where the nation is, at this point, theoretical, on paper/internet screen. As for the ones with one-quarter or less, fine-tuning is an issue that we’ve barely looked at. As I have said before, though I do strongly advocate maintaining some pure categories, I do not advocate that there should be only pure categories. However, I have noticed, and I believe that science would back it up, that persons who are as little as one quarter Jewish are overly sympathetic to Jewish interests; and by dint of that, antagonistic or uncaring toward European interests.

I would not be surprised if the amount of Jewish genetics necessary for an individual to be negatively disposed toward Europeans were even less: wasn’t Lenin 1/8 Jewish? Like Africans, they probably have something of a biological hegemony - and their mixture may be even more noxious to European interests, in that it is more insidious.  The bottom line is, more research has to be done as to what percentage is a safe amount. However, we may start by sorting out larger percentages. Note, we are talking about separatism, not death camps.

Which brings me to your next statement:

Second, as a function of Hitler and the Holocaust (or, if that term and the historical reality it denotes bothers you, say instead, the mass emigration of Jewry from Europe in the 30s and 40s), there just aren’t that many Jews left in Europe, so stripping this remainder of citizenship, and then dictating that they leave within a specified period, would be functionally easy, and not such a large-scale injustice

The term holocaust does not bother me. I am not particularly interested in the issue. Some contend that if you remove the gas chambers all that is left is reprisal against enemy guerrillas. The revisionist theory goes that if you take “the planned genocide away, you take away the holocaust” and with it, their chief warrant for their destruction and impunity to European interests. I believe this is very poor rhetoric - tactless; a lot of Jews died, there is documented evidence of large numbers and we have seen footage of piled bodies; if Jews want to call this a holocaust I don’t need to quarrel with a word; in fact, we don’t even need to quarrel with its occurrence - from an argumentative standpoint, it is almost provides better grounds if it did happen: such a glaring issue would naturally imply that a lot of people were angry, very angry, with Jews. The next question would naturally be, “why?”

Everybody knows what it is like to be driven beyond their tolerance; the next question to ask is why?

That is where European advocates ought to begin, not to begin by denying it - while some things may turn out to be false or distorted after all, if nothing like that happened, then maybe Jews were not so bad. Whereas if it did, the more gory the more it points toward an intolerable situation for its perpetrators. Then, as European advocates, we might begin to look at economic and political exploitation; the Holodomer, other Marxist atrocities and other contextualizing factors.


Most of the rest of what you have to say is a repetition that we cannot go about expelling Jews from America whereas we might from Europe. To repeat, we are not at the point of expelling people; we are at the point of separating ourselves from them, in theory.


Thorn’s point, and mine,

You guys always travel together; it is absurd.

Discussing Jews anywhere is tricky and risky but that does not mean we ought not to discuss them - for the reasons noted, advocating separatism as effectively as we can. I don’t ignore the complexity.


The far more intelligent tack (even for a committed anti-semite, which I am not - though the Jews themselves, based on this comment, would so classify me) is precisely that taken by American Renaissance and vdare.com and similar other


Absolutely not. There is no question that Jewish power and influence is pejorative to White interests and it cannot be ignored; there should be different approaches and it is fine if there are some sites, like AR and vdare, for people who want or need to focus on other matters; they might even serve as a bridge to deeper considerations of sources of power; however, Whites cannot responsibly discuss the imposition of liberalism without discussing Jewish power and influence.


This is a long, regenerative struggle. We should not over-marginalize ourselves by being too extreme at the beginning (which is where we still are, and will remain, until we start developing some movement shrewdness).

We do not marginalize ourselves by focusing on European interests and addressing problems with non-Europeans as the issues are relevant. There is a difference between tactless and tactful rhetoric, to be sure. However, tactful rhetoric does not include obfuscating the fact that Jews are not native Europeans; they do not deserve the benefit of the doubt to serve as allies within our camp - they are not serving our interests, they are largely indifferent, at best, and typically antagonistic.

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by DanielS on December 25, 2012, 03:52 PM | #

Another choke point where Jews have significant power and influence ought to be added: 9. Charity and non-profit (status) advocacy groups.

These groups can be political, religious, financial or other, but do not neatly fit under these, or other categories.


1) international banking and finance; 2) politics; 3) media; 4) academia; 5) law/courts; 6) religion;
7) business/corporations; 8) the bio-properties of their group evolutionary pattern 9) charity and non-profit advocacy groups.

 

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Posted by Fuzzbuster22 on August 13, 2013, 09:47 AM | #

White looking jews are white.  Then you have some mixed race jews - part white and part some other dark race.  If a jew’s ancestors (before getting to Europe) come from Syria, Turkey or Lebanon, or Northern Iraq, with no southern arabic mix, they are white.  Jews who have southern arabic (yemenite, sudanese, southern egyptian, Iranian, or Indian) ancestors are not “white”.  Jews who have Khazar lineage, or other Turic lineage, are of mixed asian stock.

Before Arabs invaded the northern Levant, the people who inhabited these areas were very closely related, genetically, to southern Europeans, i.e. Romans, Greeks, etc.  They are not genetically the same as Alpine Europeans, Nordics, or Britons.  But, the genetic differential between all of these groups, including those of the northern Levant, are all equally as close to each other.

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Posted by DanielS on August 13, 2013, 10:09 AM | #

Some Jews may have a significant, even majority percentage of White/European genetics, but if they contain a significant strain of Jewish genetics, or the configurational logic of that bacillus, then they are not White - not usefully called White, except perhaps to call attention to the fact that White is as White does; viz., those carrying that bacillus will not ultimately act in White interests.

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Posted by SAMPAN CHAKRABORTY on August 16, 2013, 12:44 PM | #

Can anybody give me the genetics of Ashkenazi Jews?

I’m asking this because recently we were discussing about Brahmins in another blog and according to a research Bengali Brahmins(living in West Bengal and few in Bangladesh) have shown their ancestry from Eastern Europe,west Asia(probably current day Israel and South Asia) and their genetic distribution is R1a1(72.22%),R2a(22.22%) H1(5.56%).

The average IQ of this particular group belong within a range 115-122 and pure Aryan Bengali Brahmin has small percentage of Caucasian blood.

I have no knowledge about it so if anyone(probably genetic researcher) knows about the exact genetic formation of Ashkenazi Jew then it will be a feasible analysis whether Bengali Brahmin has anything common with Ashkenazi Jew.

                                                        Regards.

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Posted by ZIGGY ROSENBERG on December 29, 2013, 01:21 PM | #

Robert E. Reis has a screw loose when he attributes Caucasian racial identity to Iranians and Indians or better put, Hindus et al. That claim is strictly a social construction perpetrated by the British Imperialist PIGs as part of their propaganda policy of inclusion so as to justify India not revolting and thereafter being part of the Commonwealth.  The Brits, more specifically the English, also fabricated science of being tied to the Germanic peoples, where there is actually a nano element of any connection.

Therefore, Reis claim that there is such a scientific classification as “Non-European Caucasian” is a disturbing claim coming from a Caucasian.  I cannot fathom the reason why a “White” person would fabricate such a connection with racial groups that are entirely and obviously so foreign to his own person et al.  Perhaps, the answer is that he is a product of his own Brit culture and he cannot get past the cultural cultural propaganda of England’s ruling elite.  Perhaps, he should live in modern UK and more specifically live in the Pakistani and Hindu neighborhoods before he tries to link Caucasians to such racial shit.

The remainder of his analysis I would agree with as I have more specific but reinforcing scientific information.  In fact, Barbara Walters, who parades around as a “White” woman, had her DNA assessed on a PBS show which revealed that she was 97% Semite by race and only 2% White and the other 1% Asian or similar facsimile.

Follow me ON TWITTER at @MARS_ROSENBERG

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Posted by ZIGGY ROSENBERG on December 29, 2013, 01:32 PM | #

There appears to be a most illogical urban myth, held by really “no-bodies” of UK decent and Hindus et al that “Aryan Bengali Brahmin has small percentage of Caucasian blood”.  SAMPAN CHAKRABORTY may be getting high off of his curry, but at least his claim of having Caucasian DNA is “pure Aryan Bengali Brahmin has small percentage of Caucasian blood.”

In reality, the only connection to Caucasians is from the Brits raping some of their women but beyond that fact, there is absolutely no genetic connection to Caucasians.  Also, the use of the word “Aryan” by this Hindu should not imply the same use that was employed by the Germans.  The next time a Hindu tries to shake your hand, just remember to ask him what hand is used to wipe his ass, but the other is then used to pick the buggers from his nose…

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