BNP banned again

Posted by anonymous on October 23, 2005, 09:01 AM | #

As an outsider, it would seem that the BNP must pose a serious threat to the British political Establishment. And the Establishment in turn is going all out to kill the BNP. Is this a fair interpretation? Perhaps someone from the UK could comment.

Posted by john fitzgerald on October 23, 2005, 09:11 AM | #

This article gives a balanced view of the situation.
http://www.americandaily.com/article/9797

The intimidaton has been going on for years. A jew politician called carlyle was the first to put Griffin through the grinder.
It all comes from the thugs at the top, blunket, straw, dobson, blair etc.

Posted by john fitzgerald on October 23, 2005, 09:25 AM | #

Talking of thugs rove might possibly get hi comeuppence:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10709.htm

Posted by Alan on October 23, 2005, 09:32 AM | #

You are correct ‘anonymous’. The established politicos in the UK will do all that is necessary to ban the BNP. Unfortunately they are storing up trouble for the future as last nights riots in Birmingham show. The real English/British people are getting mighty sick of enforced multi/racial/culture. These islands are so different now from thirty years ago and not for the better.

Posted by June Gordon on October 23, 2005, 11:23 AM | #

“A BNP spokesman said the statement was “based on fantasy” and added: “How do political beliefs come in to fire fighting. Why should the man’s political beliefs disqualify him from that role?”

I’ll answer that question.  A person who believes that other people are not really people, i.e., a racist and/or anti-Semite, is a danger in professions in which he must be relied on to help the public.  He might refuse medical, fire fighting or police assistance to anyone who is not a white Christian.  Or, he might perform negligently on purpose, causing injury or death.  So, the plan to restrict avoved racists and anti-Semites’ involvement in some fields is not unreasonable. 

You people earn the distrust of others.  I think you should accept the consequences of doing so.

Posted by Amon on October 23, 2005, 12:13 PM | #

I’ll answer that question.  A person who believes that other people are not really people, i.e., a racist and/or anti-Semite, is a danger in professions in which he must be relied on to help the public.  He might refuse medical, fire fighting or police assistance to anyone who is not a white Christian.  Or, he might perform negligently on purpose, causing injury or death.  So, the plan to restrict avoved racists and anti-Semites’ involvement in some fields is not unreasonable.

Thanks—I was just about to say that. Banning BNP members from the fire dept. is completely reasonable (and this is coming from someone who mostly agrees with the BNP).

Posted by Guessedworker on October 23, 2005, 12:18 PM | #

June,

Do you think hyper-ethnic Jews, Sub-Cons and negroes pass the test of liberal universalism?

Wake up, if you are of European stock, the world is not and cannot be universalist.  But ... all human beings are capable of compassion to varying degrees and all human beings are capable of acting right in extremis.

If you think believing in one’s rights to one’s own homeland alters this the burden of proof rests with you.

I hope you are never caught in a fire in the Holy Land, or you will have to ask for a non-Zionist fireman to save you.

Wake up, darling.  You are WRONG again.

I should add that your belief that BNP members don’t think other people are really people just about sums up your intellectual incompetence.

Posted by Svigor on October 23, 2005, 12:46 PM | #

Yep.  Muslims won’t help the infidel and so should be prohibited from jobs helping people.  Christians won’t help the pagan and so should be prohibited from jobs helping people.  Jews won’t help the goyim and so should be prohibited from jobs helping people.  Hindus won’t help the unbeliever and so should be prohibited from jobs helping people.  Atheists won’t help theists and so should be prohibited from jobs helping people.  Liberals won’t help rich white males and so should be prohibited from jobs helping people (their banning of BNP types from such jobs displays their animus perfectly).  Anti-racists won’t help racists and so should be prohibited from jobs helping people.  Socialists won’t help capitalists and so should be prohibited from jobs helping people.  Soccer fans won’t help the fans of opposing teams and so should be prohibited from jobs helping people.  Humans always have one group or another they don’t like and so should be prohibited from jobs helping people.

Ever tried critical thinking June, you raving psycho?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 23, 2005, 01:37 PM | #

Svigor, you forgot one:  women’s libbers like June are prejudiced against men, boys, male toddlers, male infants, and male newborns, and against females who are pregnant, women who marry, women who stay home to be at-home mothers and housewives during their children’s early childhoods, women who reject man-hating and lesbianism, Republicans, conservatives, anti-socialists, those who accept the validity of science, and so on, and therefore should be banned from holding any job that might conceivably be influenced by these prejudices.

This man Chapman should be ousted by the good people of Dorset and a non-Marxist put in in his place.

Posted by stari_momak on October 23, 2005, 01:50 PM | #

Yes, please find the quote from an official BNP spokesman saying ‘members of group X’ are not people. Doesn’t exist. Certainly not within the last decade or so, i.e. since the advent of what is now a true political party.

But what struck me as curious was that this was coming from Dorset. The beautiful South West. Not a lot of diversity there, I thought to myself. So I looked it up in my trusty Almanac of British Politics (highly recommended)

Dorset Mid/Northpoole   .8 percent non-white

Dorset North         .5 percent

Dorset South         .8 percent

Dorset West           .5 percent

Obviously fire brigadier Chapman is a racist, serving in such a lilly white area. Why didn’t he pursue a career in Oldham, Central London, or won of the other vibrantly diverse areas of Britain?

Posted by stari_momak on October 23, 2005, 02:12 PM | #

read one, for won

Posted by Guessedworker on October 23, 2005, 02:55 PM | #

stari,

Those percentages are shockingly high, incidentally.  In a healthy England a maximum concentration of non-English (Scots, Welsh and Irish excepted) in any one area of 0.3% would be acceptable, providing such areas were well spaced and even rare.

This 0.3% aliens formula is not mine.  It was the formula for the proposed Moldovan costitution, which is still available on the web (uni website, I recall) - but the racial composition sub-para has been removed since I first saw it.

Posted by Phil on October 23, 2005, 03:43 PM | #

I’ll answer that question.  A person who believes that other people are not really people, i.e., a racist and/or anti-Semite, is a danger in professions in which he must be relied on to help the public.  He might refuse medical, fire fighting or police assistance to anyone who is not a white Christian.  Or, he might perform negligently on purpose, causing injury or death.  So, the plan to restrict avoved racists and anti-Semites’ involvement in some fields is not unreasonable.

Every few days a cartoon wanders into our midst.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 23, 2005, 04:09 PM | #

June Gordon, are you a professor in the University of California system?

Posted by Guessedworker on October 23, 2005, 04:18 PM | #

In furtherance of stari’s statistics and for the benefit of MR readers who have not yet come to know Dorset here are a few pictures.

I was, in fact, born in Poole though we moved to the smoke in 1952, when I was but a year old, and I consider myself a Londoner.  I think Dorset might be the only county in England unscarred by a motorway.  They filmed Hardy’s Far From A Madding Crowd there, and the landscape is indeed as beautiful in its own English way as Julie Christie’s face.

http://www.virtualtravel.freeuk.com/images/lulworth_coast.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dorset/content/images/2005/05/18/weatherpictures_may_blackmore_470x352.jpg

http://tommythomas.org.uk/images/2001/01-06-22-02.jpg

http://www.bugbog.com/images/galleries/england_pictures/dorchester_travel_1.jpg

There are, as stari points out, precious few black and brown faces in the county - more, naturally, than ever before.  But the number is statistically trivial.

However the behaviour of the cultural Marxist-infected public services is such that one would quite expect to see evil white men riding out to Judge Jeffries’ hanging tree every night, another hapless black dragged behind the leader’s wild-eyed mount.

In Dorset’s schools children of my daughter’s age are taught black victimology.  Dorset police, meanwhile, with this heavy multicultural burden, fastidiously parade their up-to-the-minute, race-cred awareness.

The world is mad.

Posted by Phil on October 23, 2005, 04:27 PM | #

Guessedworker,

We live in a sick society.

Posted by AD on October 23, 2005, 04:37 PM | #

You people earn the distrust of others.  I think you should accept the consequences of doing so. -June Gordon

As should you, June, once the pendulum swings back to normality. The blood of alot of white people is on your, and alot of other enablers hands. The fog of war might embolden you, as it has for genocidalists throughout history, but we will have our own Wiesenthals.

Posted by AD on October 23, 2005, 04:44 PM | #

Wake up, if you are of European stock-GW

She isn’t.

Posted by Svigor on October 23, 2005, 05:02 PM | #

June Gordon, are you a professor in the University of California system?

Scroob, I keep telling you, this whatsitsname is a professional troll; it has no career, much less a degree.

Posted by anonymous on October 23, 2005, 05:17 PM | #

Are BNP members allowed to join the armed forces? Should they fight Blair’s wars anyway?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 23, 2005, 06:05 PM | #

“Scroob, I keep telling you, this whatsitsname is a professional troll”  (—Svigor)

All right, thanks—I’ll stop wondering if she’s that professor of Education or Psychology or whatever it was, whom I found by googling the name.  You’ve got to admit, though, she’d be a perfect fit for one, considering the calibre and outlook of today’s university professoriate, especially out in California.  Remember what President Harry Truman said:  “When you tilt America, all the nuts roll to California.”

In the meantime, here’s another very well-crafted comment by AD (above, 8:37 PM).  This chap is shaping up to be a top-notch forum commenter.  A few more the way he’s been going and he’ll be ready to open his own blog.  You always do good work, AD!  You have a mind and a heart.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 23, 2005, 06:17 PM | #

GW those are truly beautiful pictures of Dorset.  Just outstanding:  the place looks like a dream come true.  Wanting to bring Marxist PC and race-replacement to a place like that which has so far been spared those afflictions is like seeing others around you with leprosy, feeling deeply disappointed you haven’t got it, and doing everything humanly possible to catch it in turn.  It can only signify, as Phil says, a world gone mad.

Posted by AD on October 23, 2005, 06:52 PM | #

Thanks Fred. I tried a blog once, but after a month i realised that i really didn’t have the temperament for it. Angry young men sometimes do more harm than good when it comes to the written word. I have to remind myself of this everytime i post on high quality sites like MR. (if it weren’t for the June’s and JJR’s of the world i’d be happy to sit back and just read/absorb/act-on the brilliance that is MR.com).

Posted by Phil on October 23, 2005, 06:54 PM | #

President Harry Truman said:  “When you tilt America, all the nuts roll to California.”

ROTFL

Posted by Martin Hutchinson on October 23, 2005, 10:11 PM | #

If Cameron gets the Tory leadership, and leads in the direction he appears likely to, that fire service bozo may find himself serving a BNP county council after 2009. Once the economy cracks, the British public are going to react against soggy leftism, and if the Tory party is soggy leftist the BNP is where they’ll go. Dorset is the sort of basically Tory place that won’t go for Cameron if he’s the pinko troll he appears to be.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 23, 2005, 10:58 PM | #

“that fire service bozo may find himself serving a BNP county council after 2009.”  (—Martin)

I just hope someone, at some future date, gives that man his richly-deserved comeuppance.  What an arrogant, totalitarian little Marxist bastard!  If there is justice in this life, the day will come when he’ll rue the words he’s been spouting.  Damned son of a bitch!

Posted by john fitzgerald on October 24, 2005, 12:18 AM | #

Agreed, but doesn’t this kind of thing refute sailors opinion. Under a Thatcher government the same guy would have been saying something very different, and under a nationalist government something different again. The guy is saying what he thinks those in power want him to say. If he was smarter he’d keep his mouth shut.

Posted by June Gordon on October 24, 2005, 05:17 AM | #

The proposal to ban racists from serving as fire fighters is not based on the nebulous grounds of what people might think and how they might behave.  It is directed toward people who have avowed being racists as their core identity and most cherished value, such as the participants in this site.  The correlation between expressing racist beliefs and engaging in racist behavior is not a difficult one to make.  Researchers who study hate groups find a steady supply of members involved in the criminal justice system, often for violent crimes.  ‘Leaders’ such as David Duke, Matt Hale, Chester Doles, etc., set the very low standard.  The danger of harm from racists is real.

The rule for whether someone can be excluded from a type of work in American law is that the reason for exclusion must be reasonably related to the work involved.  So, for example, women of childbearing age or circumstance can be legally excluded from working in an environment in which chemicals known to cause birth defects are used or manufactured.  Though we are discussing Britain, similar reasoning would apply.  White supremacists and/or anti-Semites in helping professions present a danger to others because their beliefs make them hostile to the well-being of non-whites and non-Christians.  Therefore, it is not unreasonable to exclude them.

One does not have to look far to see dehumanization of other people from bigots.  From time to time, participants on sites like this one slip and openly say they intend genocide for their perceived enemies.  Recently, there was an entry in which grown men at this site took turns trying to dehumanize small school children in Canada because of their color.  On this thread, a participant calling himself Svigor has referred to me as ‘It.’  (And, that is merely for disagreeing with him.  No telling what he would do if left alone with one of the colored school children in that photo.)  Should Svigors be allowed to be in positions in which they can injure or kill vulnerable persons they doesn’t consider human?  No.  That is why it is rational to exclude members of the BNP or similar racist organizations from the helping professions.

Posted by jonjayray on October 24, 2005, 07:22 AM | #

AD says:  “(if it weren’t for the June’s and JJR’s of the world i’d be happy to sit back and just read/absorb/act-on the brilliance that is MR.com)”

Has AD ever donated to the BNP?  I have.  And I explained why at the time.

Posted by jonjayray on October 24, 2005, 07:26 AM | #

June Gordon writes like a professor and knows as little as one.  Take this statement:

“The correlation between expressing racist beliefs and engaging in racist behavior is not a difficult one to make”

It may not be a difficult correlation to make but it is a false one—and we have known that since La Piere’s experiment in the 1930s.

If moony Juny needs the journal references I will give them to her.

Posted by Mark Richardson on October 24, 2005, 07:55 AM | #

June Gordon wants us to believe that the BNP is some kind of violent hate organisation.

I suggest she read the BNP website, or that she consider the following declaration by Nick Griffin of the BNP in a recent interview:

“At the end of the day, it’s always the positive agendas that win in politics. Anger about what is being done to this country is legitimate, but mere anger just leads to hooliganism and political impotence. It attracts angry activists who can’t behave themselves or articulate an agenda, and once you’ve milked the public’s resentments, you’ve got nothing more to offer them and you stall politically. It’s the positive vision of a restored and redeemed Britain that’s the key for us now.”

Posted by Martin Hutchinson on October 24, 2005, 08:12 AM | #

I see no reason whatever why holding traditional social views and objecting to high immigration, or even being in moderate degree a genuine racist, should stop one being a good fireman.  In 1935 approximately 90% of the British population was what Ms. Gordon would term racist, yet the fire services worked fine.

With Cameron running the Tories, one can support the BNP without being a racist at all. If I have the choice, I’d rather associate with solid blue collar moderate racists (and plenty of non racists) than with drug crazed Old Etonian punk-rock-loving leftists. One has standards!

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 24, 2005, 09:28 AM | #

June, the people here who reacted to that photo were, as you know perfectly, reacting to the demographic revolution it portended unless reasonable limits on immigration are implemented—so stop your false dramatizing.  If every schoolroom in Canada looked like that in fifty years, with most children being non-white, would there be legitimate cause for concern among the white population?

Svigor referred to you as “Whatsitsname” because he didn’t know if you were male or female—apparently he’s seen your posts elsewhere (or ones he’s taken to be yours) signed with other than female pen names.  He was not trying to insult you.  (I take you to be a woman, incidentally, judging from the style and content of your posts.) 

Since, as a women’s libber (no, you haven’t said you are one, but that you are one couldn’t be more blindingly obvious), you are prejudiced against men, should employers ban you from all jobs dealing with men?

Finally, if ordinary, decent folk concerned about the immigration crisis and the forced race-replacement which it promises, mustn’t adhere to the BNP as this fire chief and you are saying, where should they go?  To what party?  Neither the Blairites nor the Tories have shown any signs of responding to their concerns.  Must that portion of the U.K.‘s population remain unrepresented, without a political voice? 

“Should Svigors be allowed to be in positions in which they can injure or kill vulnerable persons they don’t consider human?”

Your side, ma’am, the side of the side of the 20th-century Procrustean social utopianists, have done far more killing, torturing, forcible re-educating/brainwashing, and outright destruction of entire societies than anyone in world history, so I wouldn’t talk if I were you.

Posted by stari_momak on October 24, 2005, 10:41 AM | #

Well, June has been set a challenge; find one statement from an official BNP spokesman (or woman) of the form “members of group X are not people” . She obviously cannot do it. As that is the basic assumption of her argument, that BNP affiliated people will not rescue Pakistani’s, Jews, whatever, if they are on a fire brigade, it seems her argument fails.

Really, she is slandering BNP members. I don’t suppose you can liable a group, but

Again, I don’t recall anyone her saying the children of in the Canadian classroom were not human. Just that they were not the same biological type of human that built the country that built the school system that built the school in which they were photographed. Nor were they the same type of human child that, say , 20 years ago, would have been at that school. Perhaps June likes to see a people erased from lands and institutions they once inhabited.

Posted by WJG on October 24, 2005, 11:18 AM | #

AD says:

“As should you, June, once the pendulum swings back to normality. The blood of alot of white people is on your, and alot of other enablers hands. The fog of war might embolden you, as it has for genocidalists throughout history, but we will have our own Wiesenthals.”

Bravo AD.  If we survive to a degree that we can again defend ourselves I pray your comment comes to pass.  There will be a reckoning of these self-righteous, poorly labeled, “anti-racists” who have been and are anti-White racists, advocating and implementing, for several generations now, a genocide of our people.  How many millions of our people have been destroyed because of these real hate mongers?

Even now they only attack we Whites who want to defend ourselves; not all the other groups who exceed our self-interest by large degrees.  Are they Quislings (our own people betraying us from within) or Rosenbergs (outsiders betraying us from within)?  It doesn’t matter since the results are the same as should be their fate.

One day there will be a reckoning for their treachery.

Posted by Phil on October 24, 2005, 02:10 PM | #

Jokes aside, June Gordon demonstrates the barely masked totalitarianism of the Left. Given half a chance (and if Constitutional or other legal protections could be suspended temporarily), the Left would define its enemies in a hurry and ship ‘em off to the Gulag.

I would like June Gordon to tell everyone at this site how much time she has spent worrying about the slaughter of the 100 million souls under Communism in the 20th century.  She wouldn’t have spent much time on it because in the time honoured tradition of the Left, the Left remains beyond reproach because mass murder in the name of its “great ideals” makes it innocent in the eyes of history.

June Gordon may not be a racist* but the likes of her constitute the greatest threat to human freedoms than all the racists put together. Ideology trumps everything. Freedom of Association goes to the cleaners. Freedom of Speech follows. Stalin and his comrades couldn’t be very far away.

The soft headed fools who fall for this “inclusive”, “anti-racist” rubbish cannot see the real agenda behind it. The real agenda is the utter enslavement of society to opinions defined as acceptable by the LEFT - i.e. anything to the right of Left-wing fruitcakes becomes “racist” and “anti-semitic” and then all freedoms of the guilty party disappear.

Humanity has suffered once under the tyranny of the Left. It should never be allowed to occur again. The evil represented by totalitarians like June Gordon and her vile ideological fellow travellers must be fought tooth and nail at every opportunity.

The obvious double standard of the vile Left shows when the same left must deal with radical Islamic organizations, for example. Suddenly, every conceivable argument in favour of freedom of association makes an appearance. And often prevails.

The Left’s agenda is total destruction of the West. June Gordon is living proof of it.

*In the normally understood sense (i.e. by ignoring her obvious anti-White bigotry).

Posted by ben tillman on October 24, 2005, 02:17 PM | #

June Gordon -

One can discriminate in favor of whites or against whites.  There is no middle ground, and your standard would thus disqualify ALL potential firemen. 

Of course, the premise that attitudes toward a race—pro or con—affect job performance by police officers has been refuted by a number of studies, some of which are cited in James Q. Wislon’s Bureaucracy.

Posted by Phil on October 24, 2005, 02:18 PM | #

Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.

Theodore Dalrymple

Posted by Phil on October 24, 2005, 02:33 PM | #

UPDATE: BNP prevails.

Posted by ben tillman on October 24, 2005, 04:46 PM | #

Yes, that Dalrymple quote is insightful.

Posted by Svigor on October 24, 2005, 07:55 PM | #

Should Svigors be allowed to be in positions in which they can injure or kill vulnerable persons they doesn’t consider human?

I’ll tell you what, June: you tell me how much you enjoyed beating and molesting those children today and I’ll answer your question.

Posted by Svigor on October 24, 2005, 08:01 PM | #

Oh, I wouldn’t go holding ole June up as an icon of anything but pathology: it’s a nut.  I didn’t think I’d ever say this, but judging the left by that is doing them a disservice.

I’ve got quite a bit of experience with this wacko, and trust me it isn’t worth the effort.

Posted by June Gordon on October 24, 2005, 11:33 PM | #

Not Ready Freddie really doesn’t get it.  There’s only one race.  So, the color of the children in the photograph doesn’t matter.  A human is a human.  Not a hard thing for most people to grasp, but inpenetrable to some minds it seems.

Nor is the reality that racists discriminate, causing suffering, and sometimes even death, all that challenging to understand.  Right here in the U.S., people of color died during segregation de jure because they were not given medical care.  Currently, there are still deficits between medical treatment of whites and non-whites, with the latter being treated later in illness, not included in drug trials and given insufficient pain medication.  Since fire fighters make even more direct determinations of who to help, it is important that they not be able to make decisions about who lives and who dies based on racial prejudice.

Posted by AD on October 25, 2005, 12:06 AM | #

I totally agree with June, the only way to end racism is repatriate non-white/non-Christians/pagans or at the very least cordon ourselves off from them completely. That some ‘people of colour’ received medical attention during segregation is nothing but cultural imperialism. Although there will inevitably be downsides for us, like less rape,violence and incessant bellyaching, we really need to make the sacrifice of letting them go. Look how oppressed they(eg June) feel when given access to technologies they’re not ready for, like germanic languages and computers.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 25, 2005, 12:17 AM | #

“There’s only one race.”  (—June Gordon)

Then how can the government administer its racial quota systems, how can it apportion affirmative-action spoils, and so on?  Given that there’s only one race in existence, the government shows the most astonishing consistency in its decisions as to who’s white, who’s Negro, who’s Mexican, who’s Puerto Rican, who’s Oriental, who’s a Red Indian, and so forth.

“the reality that racists discriminate, causing suffering, and sometimes even death” 

Discriminate against whom?  “There’s only one race.”

“Right here in the U.S., people of color died during segregation de jure because they were not given medical care.”

What are “people of color”?  I thought there was only one race.

“there are still deficits between medical treatment of whites and non-whites, with the latter being treated later in illness, not included in drug trials and given insufficient pain medication.”

What are “non-whites”?  Isn’t there only one race?  You talk as if more exist.  Which ones?  What are they called?

Posted by Andrew on October 25, 2005, 12:32 AM | #

Fred, June has a point, there is only one race: and that is to the finish line, with more and more of the witch doctors and less and less Intellectuals it is a race to the Stone Age. Reports suggest that is sooner than later.
June would be a well funded Tax payer recipient, so ideological positioning is essential to maintain a living, not much thought has gone into the Future Generations. Actually no thought at all, As Civilization declines and enters into anarchy (Well on the way) Maybe The economic money tree in the Theoretical land of Milk and Honey will fund the building of new Caves.  Hmmmm.
You pay for this Garbage as an American Tax payer, but for how long you can hold on is the fatal Question.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 25, 2005, 09:10 AM | #

“there is only one race: and that is to the finish line,”

Well said, Andrew!  That quip’s bound to come in handy in debates with these race-deniers. 

Posted by Phil Peterson on October 25, 2005, 05:42 PM | #

Andrew,

That’s an absolute classic. ROTFL