Bradley Manning, Julian Assange and Wikileaks

Posted by J Richards on December 21, 2011, 07:22 PM | #

I forgot to add that if the American government can treat a U.K. citizen in the manner of Bradley Manning, surely they would’ve had no problems arresting or having arrested Julian Assange and imprisoning him in solitary confinement, but Assange’s been living the high life with a phony show about the Americans and Swedes that are after him.

Posted by jamesUK on December 21, 2011, 09:15 PM | #

I don’t believe Wikileaks is genuine at least not 100% but not for the reasons you cite.

“Many should know that wikileaks is a 100% kosher undertaking.,”

Proof?

“The leaks comprise of data that are easily falsified in part.

Because it is electronic cables not physical paper documents it is impossible to verify if they are credible or not.

“The leaks embarrass America or Arabs, not Israel.”

Wikileaks: Israel the promised land for organised crime

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/12/02/wikileaks-exposes-israeli-mafias-growing-influence/

“The leaks are about relatively trivial matters but never serious issues such as central banks being private banks, not government banks.”

Wikileaks cables are not top secret cables but low level security which around 250,000 people have access to the server so they would not cover or have access to such information.

“The “whistleblowers” don’t just maintain official versions of major events such as 9/11 but ridicule dissent as nonsense that detracts from the “serious work” they’re doing with their exposes!”

Or create fake theories for people to follow like if a missile hit the Pentagon.

“The U.S. ICE (Israeli Content Enforcement) agency of the Department of Homeland Security, which seizes domains willy nilly for copyright infringement, hasn’t bothered with wikileaks.  And so on…”

Wikileaks is not hosted on US servers and has been shutdown numerous times.

“Some crucial leaks were said to have been provided by Private Bradley Manning to Julian Assange.  Both men look effeminate, and one would think they’re homos, which makes for bad PR.  So they put on a show where Assange was accused of raping two Swedish women, making him appear a macho man, and used the ruckus to attract attention to wiki leaks.”

I don’t think the two men have actually meet and Assange has a son.

“All this would be amusing if it weren’t for the plight of Bradley Manning, who’s been imprisoned in solitary confinement, cut off from friends and family.  Long-term incarceration in such circumstances is designed to break people down and make them confess to anything you want them to.

Manning’s trial is currently under way by Americans even though he is British, and there isn’t much that can be done to prevent him from being convicted of bogus charges, but you can help expose the sham to others and make it embarrassing for those working for the Israelis behind the wikileaks scam to be who they are”

I thought you said the whole thing was kosher?

Posted by J Richards on December 21, 2011, 10:26 PM | #

@JamesUK

If wikileaks weren’t kosher, would the mainstream media so extensively promote it?  Anyway, based on your behavior elsewhere I can’t prove to you that Wikileaks is a purely kosher undertaking, but I can address the other issues.

Your example to counter my argument that wikileaks doesn’t embarrass Israel fails to counter it.  The Israeli example is about some private individuals associated with organized crime and an associate that has worked in the government.  Everyone knows that all nations have individuals involved in organized crime and that sometimes there are corrupt government officials, and these aren’t embarrassing for a nation unless it’s documented that the problem’s particularly egregious compared to most nations, a documentation that’s lacking in this case.  Second, the leaks primarily embarrassing America and the Arab world are about government activities, not like the Israeli example.

Whether Manning and Assange have met isn’t relevant to speculation that the two were homo lovers given their appearance and the kind of exchange that is alleged to have taken place between them.  So there’s a PR problem, which was solved by turning Assange into a macho rapist of women. 

Whether Assange has a son isn’t relevant to the fact that he looks effeminate and may be a homo.  It isn’t that no homos have biological children, and there are people in between homo and hetero.

You’ve got a note on wikileaks not having access to top secret cables in response to my statement that they don’t expose some serious issues.  An example of the serious issue I gave was the nature of central banks.  One doesn’t need top security clearance or top secret data to come across and document that central banks are private banks, not government banks.  So your digression is seen for what it is.

You’ve even tried to dismiss ICE not seizing wikileaks’ domain by saying that it isn’t hosted in the U.S.  This is completely irrelevant as domain registration and web hosting are different things.  Do you think that the Chinese counterfeiters selling replica designer clothing that are losing their domain names to ICE every now and then are running their websites from U.S.-based servers?

Your last statement in response to my urging readers to help expose the sham of Manning’s persecution, namely that it’s somehow inconsistent with the alleged kosher nature of wiki leaks, makes no sense.

Posted by Patton on December 22, 2011, 04:24 AM | #

I must admit I have had my doubts regarding Wikileaks, as well. Initially, I was pleased to see the neocon establishment embarrassed over the publication of WL files, not to mention Mark Zuckerberg’s FB being exposed as a ‘spy machine’. Later, however, I saw Assange backing the Occupy London protests and my reaction was to assume this guy is really an anarchist. I’ll let you be the judge on the rest.

WL’s refusal to expose the truth about 9/11 is quite telling indeed. I wouldn’t go as far as saying WL is a Jewish ploy but whatever is the case we sure aren’t hearing the full story. Even so, people who expect governments to share their intelligence information ‘democratically’ for all to see and download online must be living in a fantasy world.

Even if our governments served the nation rather than special interest groups, it would still be natural for the state to keep some information classified - and with good reason. That is the whole point of authority. As long as there is accountability, some degree of secrecy is perfectly acceptable and natural, because it is a matter of mutual trust. WL are fanatical anti-authoritarian internationalists.

No matter how much I despise the Semitic imperialist agenda that has overtaken the Anglo-Saxon world and is influencing so many other nations around the world, these crooks can and have already been exposed without any need for publicising classified material. We don’t need ‘leaks’ to expose the globalist monstrosity. It is out there plain for everyone to see.

As for Manning, I do not believe the end justified the means. I have little sympathy for what he did given the fact that he is just a frustrated closet homosexual with his own political agenda who undoubtedly has a deep-seated hatred of patriarchal society and felt like screwing Uncle Sam by divulging classified material. The military should never be allowed to become anyone’s political tool.

Posted by john on December 22, 2011, 04:41 AM | #

Does Manning exist?
http://wellaware1.com/manning/bradley_manning.htm

Posted by Captainchaos on December 22, 2011, 06:36 AM | #

Many should know that wikileaks is a 100% kosher undertaking.

Omnipotently crafty Jewish Masterminds…uh huh…

Some crucial leaks were said to have been provided by Private Bradley Manning to Julian Assange.  Both men look effeminate, and one would think they’re homos, which makes for bad PR.  So they put on a show where Assange was accused of raping two Swedish women, making him appear a macho man

The omnipotently crafty Jewish Masterminds are so fucking stupid that instead of going to Central Casting for square-jawed proper patsies in Jewish Hollyweird they took the first sheep-dipped shmucks from the closest gay bar they could find but were smart enough to amend their earlier PR fuck-up by framing one of the, ahem, obviously queer patsies for raping hot Swedish chicks…uh huh…

What can I say?  Makes perfect sense.

Posted by jamesUK on December 22, 2011, 05:44 PM | #

@J Richards

“If wikileaks weren’t kosher, would the mainstream media so extensively promote it?  Anyway, based on your behavior elsewhere I can’t prove to you that Wikileaks is a purely kosher undertaking, but I can address the other issues.”

Doesn’t mean it is an Israeli adventure after all Assange was getting awards and hanging out in England.

As for “behavior elsewhere” I like hard facts not speculation especially when there is evidence that runs counter to it.

“Your example to counter my argument that wikileaks doesn’t embarrass Israel fails to counter it.  The Israeli example is about some private individuals associated with organized crime and an associate that has worked in the government.  Everyone knows that all nations have individuals involved in organized crime and that sometimes there are corrupt government officials, and these aren’t embarrassing for a nation unless it’s documented that the problem’s particularly egregious compared to most nations, a documentation that’s lacking in this case.  Second, the leaks primarily embarrassing America and the Arab world are about government activities, not like the Israeli example.”

The wikileaks cable on Israeli organised crime does not merely state they have connections to some corrupt government officials but the highest echelons of the Israeli establishment and are connected to Israeli defence companies that provide global security to countries around the world who no doubt have gotten contracts to provide domestic security in the US after the 9/11 attacks and the “war on terror”.

Assange says that it is the largely Jewish newspapers and mass media themselves that will not publish diplomatic cables on Israel. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyReUkct994

“Whether Manning and Assange have met isn’t relevant to speculation that the two were homo lovers given their appearance and the kind of exchange that is alleged to have taken place between them.  So there’s a PR problem, which was solved by turning Assange into a macho rapist of women. 

Whether Assange has a son isn’t relevant to the fact that he looks effeminate and may be a homo.  It isn’t that no homos have biological children, and there are people in between homo and hetero.”

LOL! They never actually meet but they are homo lovers. How does that work?

The fact that Assange has a child and no one with serious credibility has accused him of being a homosexual indicates that he is not gay which we only have your good word as evidence. 

What exact difference would it make if Assange or Manning were homos?

“You’ve got a note on wikileaks not having access to top secret cables in response to my statement that they don’t expose some serious issues.  An example of the serious issue I gave was the nature of central banks.  One doesn’t need top security clearance or top secret data to come across and document that central banks are private banks, not government banks.  So your digression is seen for what it is.”

Your own statement undermines the argument that you are trying to get across.

Private Central banking is by its definition not controlled by the US government so why would US diplomatic staff either have access or comment on it?

“You’ve even tried to dismiss ICE not seizing wikileaks’ domain by saying that it isn’t hosted in the U.S.  This is completely irrelevant as domain registration and web hosting are different things.  Do you think that the Chinese counterfeiters selling replica designer clothing that are losing their domain names to ICE every now and then are running their websites from U.S.-based servers?”

It does matter as US law regarding hosting of internet sites does not effect websites hosted in other countries that is why torrent sites are hosted in countries like Sweden and Wikileaks did change its domain name to wikileaks.(whatever country it was hosted on). 

“Your last statement in response to my urging readers to help expose the sham of Manning’s persecution, namely that it’s somehow inconsistent with the alleged kosher nature of wiki leaks, makes no sense.”

You are the one not making sense by claiming Assange and Manning are gay and the whole Wikileaks thing is a kosher enterprise then decry the fact that Manning is being tortured and held in solitary confinement outside the legal provisions of US and international law. 

“All this would be amusing if it weren’t for the plight of Bradley Manning, who’s been imprisoned in solitary confinement, cut off from friends and family.  Long-term incarceration in such circumstances is designed to break people down and make them confess to anything you want them to.

Manning’s trial is currently under way by Americans even though he is British, and there isn’t much that can be done to prevent him from being convicted of bogus charges, but you can help expose the sham to others and make it embarrassing for those working for the Israelis behind the wikileaks scam to be who they are.” 

Posted by J Richards on December 22, 2011, 07:24 PM | #

@John

Thanks for the link that Bradley Manning may be a fictitious character.  It made me feel better, not because I believe it’s true but just the possibility that there’s no real person suffering like Manning makes one less angry. 

The wellaware1.com website makes sensational claims.  Some I know to be true, some are probably true, some probably false and some claims are too much trouble to verify.  In such cases, one also has to estimate the extent to which the falsehoods are motivated by malice, overzealousness or ignorance.  This is a time-consuming task and I can’t pass judgment right away.  If you have further input on some of these sensational claims, please don’t hesitate to tell us.  Thanks again.

@Captainchaos

On your sarcasm regarding the omnipotent Jews, look at this way.  This is a parasitic community that knows this one way of living.  What they do, risking harm to themselves in the process, isn’t stubbornness or stupidity but the mode of existence that’s their lifestyle.  If you look at their history, by virtue of their lifestyles, they’ve periodically acquired great power, which has never been and isn’t omnipotence, and it’s been a matter of time before the sick host had had enough and attempted to do something about the parasitic infestation.

The example before us neither involves omnipotence nor stupidity.  Suppose that wellware1.com is correct in some of its arguments.  This implies that Jews can’t just go to central casting to obtain the looks they like but must find some among their own to provide the basic face that’ll be digitally edited to make it look like a real, unique person instead of a computer rendering.

Suppose that wellware1.com is incorrect and Bradley Manning is a real person.  In this case the Jews couldn’t arbitrarily charge a private and thus have their pick of macho men, but would have to find those in compromising positions or those who could be compromised.

They’re operating under constraints.

Posted by J Richards on December 22, 2011, 07:32 PM | #

@JamesUK

Doesn’t mean it is an Israeli adventure after all Assange was getting awards and hanging out in England.

What is this?  An Israeli adventure doesn’t have to have Assange in or away from most nations.

As for “behavior elsewhere” I like hard facts not speculation especially when there is evidence that runs counter to it.

I was talking about your behavior at MR, which is part of the record as comments, and hence isn’t speculation but “hard facts.”

If Assange says that “largely Jewish newspapers and mass media themselves that will not publish diplomatic cables on Israel,” this isn’t embarrassing to Israel as what would be embarrassing would be hard data about what isn’t being published, and your illustration isn’t particularly embarrassing to Israel considering all that it does.  Your original link was to the antiwar website, which is controlled opposition.  At some point Jews have to consider credibility issues and if they keep leaking information that embarrasses others but leaves Israel alone, some people may start asking questions.  So they include a tidbit here, another there.  Big deal!

As to whether Assange and Manning have met, the average person isn’t going to do some investigative research.  He’ll assume that a physical meeting took place upon being told that Assange obtained the crucial leaks from Manning and might wonder whether the two are homo lovers.  You’ve even brought up a straw man by accusing me of calling these men homos, whereas I was talking about a PR problem resulting from the looks of these men and what the public might wonder. 

Private Central banking is by its definition not controlled by the US government so why would US diplomatic staff either have access or comment on it?

On this issue you state that my own statement undermines the argument I’m trying to get across, but it doesn’t.  Wikileaks isn’t just about leaking diplomatic cables.  If you consider their mission as they claim, they should be exposing some serious issues to better the world, and this includes the nature of central banks.  But they don’t expose such information.

Again, you don’t understand or deliberately obfuscate the difference between domain registration and hosting of websites.  These are separate issues.  ICE has been seizing the domain names of websites running out of America, and these include .org websites [wikileaks currently has a .org TLD].  There’s no requirement for the websites to be hosted in the U.S.  The only requirement is that the U.S. has jurisdiction over the TLD (top level domain).

I don’t want to play word games with you.  Please don’t comment on my future posts (under my name or R-news).

Posted by john on December 22, 2011, 09:49 PM | #

I wrote Ed at Wellaware.com telling him about the Canadian False News law. There is I think no similar law in U.S.A.
He does seem to make some glaring mistakes. After listening to some of the interviews he has given I,m reasonably sure he is genuine. Even if he is not there seems to be no down side to his work, which is why I sent a donation.

Posted by Schlafendwolf on December 23, 2011, 04:24 PM | #

I am slightly aghast at some of the dialogue printed in this stream, you talk about Wikileaks / Assange being for real. The question should be are most of the contributors here for real.

Is Wikileaks kosher ?

Yes it is, what isn’t ‘kosher’ is the mainstream media where most of the contributors here appear to rely for their (dis)information. Wikileaks operates on a clear and consistent modus operandi. Where there is criminal or immoral behaviour, where there is abuse of democratic priveledge, where there is governmental censorship, then Wikileaks stands as an organisation prepared to be a recipient of the said allegations, and publish them in the public domain. Nothing more, nothing less. Wikileaks has never harboured politcal aspirations, nor for that matter has Julian Assange.

The mainstream media, however, is complicit in its’ blatant censorship of material in the public interest, both independently and at governments behest, and often has a political agenda that even a politician would wince at. Some of the western media, in all of its forms, has a daily rhetoric that is no short of propoganda.

Even our elected representatives openly lie, decieve, and steal from us, as a matter of course. Not to mention other ‘officials and agents’ who are public employees and not elected.

And yet you pose the question ‘Is Wikileaks kosher?’

The truth is Wikileaks wouldn’t exist at all, if any of the other pillars of the establishment were kosher.

And if Wikileaks wasn’t kosher, then why would it be starved of funds to the point of collapse? Why would Julian Assange be held under house arrest for over a year without being charged for any crime? Why would the organisation have to jump through hoops trying to find a web-host because governmental agencies are doing their utmost to remove Wikileaks totally from cyber space?

What you may not realise is the impact that Wikileaks work has had in other parts of the world, where for the first time citizens worst fears about the ‘deals’ being done behind closed doors, in their name, were proven correct. That sort of information, released by Wikileaks, had a profound impact, and probably was the main cause of The Arab Spring.

Or the video ‘Collateral Murder’, which, contrary to the claims made in the mainstream media in the respective nations about ‘winning hearts and minds, and bringing freedom and democracy’, actually showed the horror of a helicopter gunship ruthlessly slaughtering non combatants. This information was previously available to mainstream media, they just chose to ‘with-hold’ it. If you don’t know what I am speaking about just type Collateral Murder into You Tube.

So before you so readily put down Wikileaks, or Julian Assange, then think where we would be today WITHOUT Wikileaks.

And as for the references to Julian Assange, or Bradley Mannings sexuality. Just one obvious question. What the hell as their sexuality got to do with anything? No one accuses Baraq Obama and Hilary Clinton of being up to no good because they are both heterosexual.

Posted by john on December 23, 2011, 07:33 PM | #

Listened to an interview with F. William Engdahl in which he talks about the “Arab Spring”.

http://www.oneradionetwork.com/geo-politics/f-william-engdahl-going-with-the-new-world-order-or-not-going-at-all-december-21-2011/

Posted by john on December 23, 2011, 07:55 PM | #

Engdahl on the fake uprisings:
http://www.oneradionetwork2.com/mp3/liberty/geopolitics/10.19.11_engdahl_f_william_geopolitcs.mp3

Posted by Flossie on December 29, 2011, 03:14 PM | #

Schlafendwolf asked: “And as for the references to Julian Assange, or Bradley Mannings sexuality. Just one obvious question. What the hell as their sexuality got to do with anything?” In the case of Manning, it was immediately after he broke up with his boyfriend and was in a snit that he decided to do a bit of espionage. This bit of info appeared in the first stories after his arrest, but was quickly hushed up. As his trial nears, these unfashionable facts are being mentioned once again . . . ever so carefully.