David B on interracial marriage

Posted by friedrich braun on August 15, 2005, 05:37 PM | #

Well, South Asians are the product of mixing between several Caucasoid and Asiatic people, and problems with their racial classification notwithstanding, the fact remains that European Caucasoids and East Asians clearly belong to different races.

See:

“Scientists Find Link Between Indian Caste Rank And Genetic
Similarity To Europeans

In India, members of higher ranking castes are genetically more
similar to Europeans, while lower castes are more similar to Asians,
according to a study published in this month’s issue of Genome
Research.

...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/05/010515080044.htm

Incidentally, let’s point out to those traditionalists who haven’t
read the right books on “Tradition” that eugenics, the maintenance of
the qualities of race, is one of the eight disciplines of the Ayur-
Veda (“knowledge about life”, “science of life”), “the mother of all
healing arts”, as recorded in the Atharva-Veda and in the Rig-Veda. 
It is from this form of natural medicine that most other cultures,
including the Chinese, the Tibetan and the Egyptian, developed their
own healing system.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 15, 2005, 08:30 PM | #

“David B notes:  ‘I use the term “race” for convenience, though it has no generally accepted meaning. It should not be taken as implying that human “races” are or ever have been sharply defined and distinct entities.’ “  (—from the log entry)

David B. is a moron and a race-denier and race-replacement proponent.  That’s all one needs to know.  All else follows from that.  The guy’s an imbecile.  He said something the other day at Dienekes’ site which attempted to deny races (he’s denied them any number of times here at MR, of course—at least three, if memory serves).  He’s an idiot.

Posted by Svigor on August 15, 2005, 08:32 PM | #

By the way, Halle Berry has had a nose job to make it look less African.

Ever seen awfulplasticsurgery.com?  Loads of Africans go in for the knife, and they almost always come out looking whiter.

Strangley, almost no one pays to make his nose broader or bigger!

Posted by Svigor on August 15, 2005, 08:34 PM | #

It should not be taken as implying that human “races” are or ever have been sharply defined and distinct entities.

Yawn.  That should be the textbook definition of a race-denier, “one who denies the existence of race by wrestling only with strawmen.”

Posted by Svigor on August 15, 2005, 08:39 PM | #

As for being ‘adapted to the environment’, the differences between human races are comparatively recent and superficial in evolutionary terms. This is true whether we adopt a pure Out-of-Africa model or some mixture of Out-of-Africa and multiregionalism.

RDs (race-deniers/destroyers) could better make their case if they weren’t constantly shooting themselves in the foot (think “punctuated equilibrium”) in the process.

RDs never mention that, as Steve Sailer has pointed out, man is himself a domesticated animal.  A big x factor they never mention is that man interferes in his own evolution constantly, and that meddling with sexual selection is one of his most-loved pasttimes.

Posted by Lurker on August 15, 2005, 11:06 PM | #

“David B notes:
If there were any ‘co-adapted gene complexes’, they would be broken up by mating within races almost as frequently as in mating between races.”

Im no scientist but that “almost as frequently” is a bit of slip up for David B isnt it? Over large populations over a long enough time isnt that “almost as frequently” enough for a group to undergo evolutionary change and gain some advantage?

Posted by James Bowery on August 16, 2005, 12:10 AM | #

My observations of black man/white woman couples more matches Garabant’s than Fred Scooby’s, although I’ve seen all kinds of matches and I am quite aware my observations are anecdotal.  I, too, would like to see studies of cross-ethnic sirings (marriages are deceptive since so many children are born out of wedlock and via cuckoldry—yes even interracial cuckoldry albiet presumably rarer than intraracial cuckoldry).

If we want to talk anecdotes of people we’ve seen or known personally: I know of a German-American family with pro-life values who discovered their daughter was pregnant and decided to see the pregnancy through and keep the baby.  In the delivery room a mulatto boy popped out and the mother’s post-partum relief turned to a scream when she saw it.  She didn’t even remember having sex with a black man.  The woman eventually married a man from the church and they had a beautiful blonde-haired blue-eyed daughter who looks quite different from her brother—very little family resemblance.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 16, 2005, 01:49 AM | #

The position of the race-denier is simply, “I choose not to admit there are races because I don’t want there to be.”  This is not, repeat NOT, a scientific debate but political jockeying:  it should be apparent to everyone that if races don’t exist neither does any category in the universe.  Look, I suspect Jews invented this (mind-bogglingly weird, by the way) “there’s no such thing as race” nonsense, probably no later than the 1920s or 30s, possibly earlier if you count what Franz Boaz was doing as race-denial.  It may go back as far as the 1880s, possibly the 1860s.  Well ... two can play that game, the category-denial game.  Jews aren’t the only ones who can play.  Here:  I deny the existence of Jews.  Yes, there are no such things as Jews.  They don’t exist.  Therefore you can do what you want in getting rid of all who think not only Jews exist but actually think they themselves are them:  they’re evil to think that—are up to no good.  In getting rid of these pretenders you’re not really getting rid of anything, you see—and therefore are doing no harm whatsoever because nothing existed in the first place.  Those claiming Jews exist are just taking part in furthering some selfish sociological construct designed to confer advantage on a certain group.  And that group has to be brought down, because it desires to set itself up as superior (does everyone see Noël Ignatiev’s arguments against white people here?).  You can help bring it and its pretensions down by, for example, passing laws declaring any person claiming that Jews exist to be guilty of hate-speech.  And so on, and so forth.  See how the game is played?  As I said, two can play ...  You can deny the existence of any category you want:  the white race, the Jews ... any category.  Pretending the category doesn’t exist makes it in many ways easy to actually get rid of it for real:  it if didn’t exist in the first place, what are you getting rid of?  Nothing!  You don’t like the fact something exists?  Just make the personal decision you’re going to refuse to acknowledge its existence, and go on from there.  Franz Boaz did it.  Ashley Montagu did it.  Steven Jay Gould did it.  Noël Ignatiev is doing it right now. 

Imagine if Hitler had done it.  That certainly would’ve simplified the task he set himself:  “Shooting/gassing Jews?  I’m doing no such thing!  How could I be?  There are no such things as Jews!  Didn’t you know?  They don’t exist!  Never did!  Whole thing just some sort of social construct!  Proven by any number of scientific papers now.  Where in the world have you been?  I thought everybody knew that!  No, we’re not killing Jews, good Lord!  There aren’t any Jews!  Never were any!  Never existed!”

Posted by J Richards on August 16, 2005, 02:37 AM | #

Here are the materials concerning the update mentioned above:

Razib wrote:

“J Richards,” (or should i say erik?) do not post on this board anymore. i will leave your comments and links intact, but seeing as how you have made extremely personal attacks on myself (which involved links to a “hit site” that even most MR readers found unseemly and was reedited by GW), and to a far lesser extent godless capitalist, you are persona non grata.

Surprise!  Surprise!  Razib didn’t delete my comments right away, but I suppose this is because my comments did not address anything said by him.  Besides, what Razib considers to be a personal attack against him is merely a critique of his ideas and behaviors.  The “hit site” he mentions is actually his fan club at onepeoplesproject.com.  Only few people rather than most MR readers objected to my linking to his fan appreciation page; one labeled the link in poor taste, another called it unnecessary, and one person was partly relieved that the link had been edited, but for a different reason, namely that the site linked to was an odious and lying outfit; besides, the link was edited because of only one person [who said that it was in poor taste].  Anyway, here are two questions for Razib.  Who is Erik?  And, where have I previously personally attacked Godless Capitalist (GC)? 

Shortly after Razib’s post above, Godless Capitalist deleted all four of my comments and also Razib’s comment above, apparently because Razib’s comment would be out of place after my comments were deleted.

Godless Capitalist went on to post:

J Richards is the guy who wrote the following:

Try posting a comment on GNXP that Whites have nothing to gain and a lot to lose from an IQ, aesthetics, and respect-for-individual-rights standpoint by absorbing non-whites, and your post will be deleted with an angry comment by razib. razib considers it racist to mention the common observation that Blacks have ape-like facial features and to absorb them into one’s gene pool is to make one’s descendents look more like apes. A while ago, I posted some comments on the genetic problems and weak physical constitution (ref: the world-renowned athletic prowess of Asian Indians) of South Asians, that should make Whites wary of absorbing them into their gene pool—in reference to a favorable post on race-mixing, and razib quickly deleted several of my posts, blasting me for calling Blacks ape-like in facial features

I nuked his posts because if you give these guys an inch, they will take a mile. It takes a lot of gall to walk into our house after writing that.

After all, if whites have nothing to gain from nonwhites, etcetera etcetera, why do fools like this keep trying to post at GNXP—a blog owned and operated by nonwhites?

The quote mentioned by Godless Capitalist is taken from one of my comments before I was an MR blogger.  Anyway, I am disappointed in Godless Capitalist.  I have believed Godless Capitalist to be a higher intellect than Razib, but all Godless Capitalist does is to call me a fool rather than critique any of my points in reference to David B’s post.  On the other hand, Godless Capitalist’s mighty intellect fails to see why I posted the comments.  Godless Capitalist, I was not trying to gain anything from non-whites by posting my comments; I was trying to prevent clueless GNXP readers from being misled by David B’s flawed arguments.  Further, my comments addressed biology, not culture, since David B’s post focuses on biology, and I wouldn’t bother adding comments on other cultural issues that creeped into the comments section.

More below:

Posted by J Richards on August 16, 2005, 02:54 AM | #

Godless Capitalist went on to add:

[I do think it’s funny that the nazis at MR are now espousing a doctrine of “individual rights”...these are the guys who write:

A big mistakes whites make is even bothering to convert non-whites to their cause. Surely none of us actually expect other groups to desire to promote our survival, often at their expense? We know how they feel, we know their interests are often in opposition to ours, why waste our time confirming it?

I have seen some of this silliness at GNXP, where wintermute and other whites crawl on their stomachs trying to persuade subcons such as GC that whites should be preserved (of course by ending subcon immigration and deporting nonwhites). Or razib, that screwing his nordic gf accelerates the demise of the white race. Pathetic?

We know what we have to do, it now comes down to executing, not debating nonwhites. Posted by Tournament of Champions on 07/26 at 03:58 AM

We know what we have to do, it now comes down to executing, not debating nonwhites.

Hear, hear! The time for talking, negotiating, and pleading is nearing an end. Time to start hunting Orcs. Posted by Stuka on 07/26 at 04:30 AM

I wonder why J Richards is attempting to debate rather than “execute” nonwhites. Shouldn’t he give it the college try, Matt Hale style?

Well, Well!  This is an incredible amount of smear from Godless Capitalist.  The actual quote by commentator “Tournament of Champions” and backed by Stuka implies the following:

“We know what we have to do, it now comes down to executing [those plans of ours], not debating nonwhites [whom we’ll never persuade anyway].”

The plan alluded to has nothing to with any criminal activities, and Godless Capitalist is challenged to prove that any criminal intent was implied or that I think like Matt Hale or that I have any violent intentions toward non-whites.  All Godless Capitalist had to do was to critique what I had posted, but he deleted it and resorted to smear characteristic of leftist lowlife, even though he dislikes leftists.
 
Godless Capitalist posted more stuff:

It is just the case that there are countless individuals who come in here with an express attempt to bait us; they take advantage of the fact that we are among the few people in the entire blogosphere who will generally listen to most views, and take inches which eventually become miles. After a while they start to drop the facade and this kind of thing tends to follow:

Another self-serving bloviating piece of anti-White propaganda by a self-identified racial nihilist and South Asian brownster (a pseudo-intellectual who goes by the nom de plume “godless”; a man who both hates and admires Whites, how typical of a non-White…) ... The source is a site (Gene Expression) run by some of our enemies, anti-White, self-serving South Asians (dangerous immigrants to the US who love to portentously lecture Whites on all kinds of issues) ... South Asian subhuman scumbag on http://www.webmonkey.ws/flillip.php?url=http://www.gnxp.com/ goes out of his way to insult and threaten WNs

GNXP will generally listen to most views?  What a bunch of hokey!  Is this why GC deleted my on-topic comments, none of which were poised to become even a debate, let alone an extended debate unless David B or anyone else attempted to refute at length what I had posted?  Additionally, the quote Godless Capitalist mentions is surely not something that anyone would try to leave at his blog, but is taken from elsewhere…there are some such statements in some of the comments sections at MR, but it simply reflects MR being a free-speech blog; indeed, Godless Capitalist is more than welcome at MR to attempt to critique what I posted.  Godless Capitalist takes the worst example of name-calling against him and uses to it smear all whom he suspects to be white nationalists.

More below:

Posted by J Richards on August 16, 2005, 02:56 AM | #

Godless Capitalist also added the following interesting comments, right after the anti-Godless Capitalist quote above:

There are reasons both personal and pragmatic for us to be unforgiving of this kind of troll; for personal reasons, clearly many of the individuals here will react poorly to a “discussion” of secessionism or the possible forcible deportation of 70 million US citizens. I mean, what’s there to discuss? Do they expect nonwhite Americans simply to mutter “yes massa, sorry for being in the US, I will pack up and leave for $COUNTRY forthwith due to your argumentative brilliance”?

Such a discussion is poles away from immigration reform—which is about changing the inflow, not forcing an efflux—and has a contaminating effect when broached in the same discourse.

And this gets to the larger point of pragmatism. H-bd realism is difficult to get across today. Over and over and over the point must be made that atheism is not Satanism and IQ is not Nazism. Every thread where we need to deal with netnazis—crypto or overt—is a distraction. How can one argue with the unconverted if a hard core nazi is nodding his head vigorously in the same thread and talking about how it’s time to “start executing ‘em, not debating ‘em”?

You can’t. And this is the irony: the only people who conflate the two independent topics are far leftists who think discussion of race, genetics, and IQ will lead to pogroms…and far rightists who hope discussion of race, genetics, and IQ will lead to pogroms. Neither of them have a place here, but the latter are especially unwelcome.

Guess what, Godless Capitalist?  Your equating any suspected white nationalist to the most extreme examples such as that of Matt Hale or a hypothetical white nationalist troll that would argue for forced repatriation of non-whites within a thread at GNXP, or deliberate distortion of an argument for executing a non-violent plan to an argument for executing non-whites is certainly no better than equating atheism to Satanism or IQ to Nazism.

The commenting by Godless Capitalist above constitutes his justification for deleting my comments, and given the nature of my comments regarding David B’s post, such justification is not needed, but it appears that Godless Capitalist has reacted in such an extreme manner because he is completely unable to refute anything that I wrote. 

It needs to be emphasized that whites who lean right in regard to ethnic genetic interests or preservation of Western culture overwhelmingly wish to avoid ethnic conflict and bloodbath, and when such people express their fear that a bloodbath would be inevitable if Western nations are flooded with non-whites, they almost always imagine non-whites initiating riots rather than express an intent to initiate a pogrom themselves.  Groups such as the now-gone Creativity Movement, formerly known as “The World Church of the Creator,” which was headed by Matt Hale, are fringe groups with membership of at most a few dozen people each, several of whom are not the most mentally healthy people out there.  For instance, one of Matt Hale’s followers went on a shooting spree of non-whites, but he had a prior diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia.  Even a leftist extremist group such as the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) would defend the free-speech rights of extreme groups such as the former Aryan Nations, not because it is very pro free speech, but because it knows that the extreme views of such groups are hardly poised to win many converts, which allows the ACLU to pretend to be a protector of free speech [that it knows does not threaten its own leftist goals].  So, get this: even the ACLU knows that the extremist beliefs that GC smears all suspected white nationalists with are characteristic of very few whites.  I’d be willing to bet a decent amount of money that a much greater proportion of non-whites harbor anti-white feelings than the proportion of whites who harbor anti-non-white feelings.

Posted by Guessedworker on August 16, 2005, 06:55 AM | #

JR,

Thank you for drawing our attention to this issue.  I would confirm that GC can always comment here without fear of deletion or banning.  Fear of overwhelming opposition is, of course, a different matter.

I also think it’s worth reiterating that GC’s use of the TOC comment is egregious misrepresentation.  Perhaps TOC himself will read this thread and kill the issue.  But certainly, had I read it at the time in the way GC does I would have deleted it immediately.  What can I say?  Mass murder is just not in my frame of mental reference.  Sorry, this is not the Church of the Creator!

GC, I hope you will reflect on your astonishly ill-considered argument, old chap.  I do not expect you to have the moral courage to issue a retraction.  You are an angry man, and anger knows more of self-justification than of conscience.

To those GNXP readers who, confused by all this, have come here hoping to spot a former guard from Dachau I would just say that you don’t have to share GC’s nutty anti-white preoccupations.  If you cannot yet analyse and critique the great engine of change that is overtaking Western Man, at least consider analysing and critiquing GC.  It may get you banned at GNXP.  But you will always be welcome to speak here.

Posted by Tournament of Champions on August 16, 2005, 06:57 AM | #

WNs kicked godless’ butt on EGI, just as he did to the negro abiola’s on IQ. Gloating over this at GNXP got my comment deleted moments ago. Like leftists, Godless doesnt debate because he knows he’d lose.

Posted by Tournament of Champions on August 16, 2005, 07:05 AM | #

J Richardson got it right:

“We know what we have to do, it now comes down to executing [those plans of ours], not debating nonwhites [whom we’ll never persuade anyway].”

When taken in context it’s clear my comment meant “less talk, more action”, not “let’s go massacre them”. Godless ignores that in the paragraph prior to the above I stated the BNP position, that nonwhites are best repatriated.

Posted by James Bowery on August 16, 2005, 09:58 AM | #

There was an article here with a number of tables (presented as images) and a large number of comments, that described in detail the statistics of multi-racial children vs single-racial children and their various rates of physical and behavioral maladays. 

Where is that article?

Posted by J Richards on August 16, 2005, 11:23 PM | #

James Bowery,

The link to this article still works; it is the second link in my post above.  Are you looking for the actual paper?  If yes, then leave a note and I should be able to email it to you, provided that you have left a valid email address.

Posted by Svigor on August 16, 2005, 11:42 PM | #

Hahaha.  Ain’t free speech a bitch?  GC and Razib spin their refusals to discuss reasonable matters (in reasonable ways) as this or that, meanwhile on a free speech blog we all heckle them for the cowards they are.

Come get some, oh great cognitive elitists! 

Posted by J Richards on August 17, 2005, 12:43 AM | #

Here is the latest from Godless Capitalist within the same thread:

To all Majority Not-too-bright trolls:

Don’t try to post here. Remember: the first step to carving out your ivory state is to stop talking to the “darkies”. The politics of exclusion is a bitch, ain’t it?

...larger observation: I find it alternately amusing and annoying that so many of these guys try posting here…I suppose it’s because they’d rather attempt to argue with the center-right h-bd realist “darkies” here than the predominantly white leftists at, say, Crooked Timber.

Which is, ironically, yet another point in favor of the idea that ideological proximity often trumps ethnic proximity.

I’m constantly amazed by it. It’s too much of a pain for these guys to even try to engage in internet flamewars and/or rational discussion with the lefty whites they want to proselytize. So instead they come here, thinking that the fact that we accept IQ implies that we will cheer on—or at least treat with respect—their bizarre, treasonous, secessionist fantasies.

Ironically, we may have inadvertently encouraged this…by being more tolerant of this sort of thing than their nominal coracialists at (say) Crooked Timber, where this behavior would have earned a banning in short order. But no longer.

Godless Capitalist, are you thick?  Who is trying to proselytize you or lefties?  My concern is with preventing clueless whites from being misled by the misinformation at GNXP or elsewhere that works against the ethnic genetic interests of whites.  To this extent, I will cite evidence and let the evidence speak for itself.  The only debate that I am interested in concerns possible criticism of the evidence that I present, something that you refuse to address, quite simply because you cannot refute it.  I know that you read MR in detail…how else would you have come across various obscure comments at MR?  You would surely not have missed the fact that not all MR bloggers are interested in a white-only nation; John Jay Ray has no problems with selective immigration of Asians; I have also pointed out that I do not mind non-white presence in the West, but would rather not have it exceed 5% of the population, and this is a stance that several other MR bloggers/readers would be okay with.  Yet, you continue your grotesque maligning of MR bloggers by claiming that we harbor “bizarre, treasonous, secessionist fantasies.”  The diversity of viewpoints among MR bloggers is much greater than that among GNXP bloggers.  Anyway, someone has to address the misinformation at GNXP, and time-permitting, I will do my part, commenting at GNXP if necessary…it is a fairly easy matter to sign in/register under a different name and post through a different IP address.  I would rather use my actual name, like I used the last time, but if it is going to get my post deleted, then you give me no choice but to use a different name and IP address.  Once gain, get this: I am not interested in proselytizing you or Razib or any leftists out there, but in addressing the misinformation at GNXP or elsewhere that works against the ethnic genetic interests of whites.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 17, 2005, 01:12 AM | #

“center-right h-bd realist ‘darkies’ here”  (—GC)

Center-right?  Isn’t GC the one who voted for Bill Clinton, then for Al Gore, and was a volunteer for the Gore campaign?  That’s “center-right”???  I mean, I haven’t gone there in two years so maybe things have changed, but ... look at some of the types they bring on board over there—Randy MacDonald?  Puh—LEEZE!  “Center right”??  If that’s “center-right” I’d really hate to see radical left ... As of last time I read that site GC was a flaming leftist

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 17, 2005, 01:14 AM | #

Their third most important blogger over there, after GC and Razib, is a tenacious race-denier, for crying out loud!  That’s “center-right”????

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 17, 2005, 01:46 AM | #

“My observations of black man/white woman couples more matches Garabant’s than Fred Scooby’s,”

Forgive me James Bowery, which observations of mine are you referring to?

Posted by Tournament of Champions on August 17, 2005, 02:01 PM | #

Perhaps J Richards should create a beauty test (or modify an existing one) and normalize scores a la IQ. I’m almost certain it’ll find Nordics averaging around a whole standard deviation over the closest non-European ethny.

Posted by Svigor on August 17, 2005, 02:21 PM | #

Ehehehe, wrestle that strawman GC, wrestle it boy!

Sissy.

Posted by Svigor on August 17, 2005, 02:25 PM | #

and this is a stance that several other MR bloggers/readers would be okay with

Lol, all MR readers would be a hell of a lot more okay with it than they are with the current suicidal policies of the west.

Posted by Svigor on August 17, 2005, 06:14 PM | #

I was just thinking, it would be one thing if GC was just a typical anonymous Internet coward and censored his blog to remove (ipso facto) WN or pro-white commentary regardless of merit.

That would be a greyer area.  No, he doesn’t stop there, he has to spew lies about WNs (and whatever - to GNXP readers we’re “white supremacists”)  too.  He tips his hand here.

As far as I know MR admin has given GC (and everyone else but like one guy) free speech and free access here, and the bloggers don’t spread lies about GC or constantly grapple with strawman GNXPers.

None of this is any surprise any more of course.

Posted by Guessedworker on August 17, 2005, 07:25 PM | #

By its championing of race realism and h-bd GNXP has garnered a respect that morally it does not deserve.  My advice to Razib and GC is to do what must be done to put that right.  The key is to have a bit of integrity on the issue of their own racial particularism.  The gross distortions, the strawmen strategies and ban-happy thread-policing could then be set aside.  Fighting losing battles with us over issues of white EGI will not be necessary.

We all know you are intelligent, guys.  But why aren’t you intelligent enough to work that out?

Posted by Tournament of Champions on August 18, 2005, 05:16 AM | #

David B’s short post is soooo full of holes. Normally the piranha-like gnxp commentators would drop a pile of bones where Mr B once stood, but the moderators saved him.

While razib is intellectually honest (he’s oft confused and long-winded, but I have never seen him intentionally deceive), GC has all along subconsciously promoted self + kin interests (e.g. aracial cognitive elite, high IQ colored immigration, banning of WNs). That may be personally adaptive but he is close to entering Gould/Lewontin/Diamond territory.

Btw that was a rather weak show by Arcane, intuitively he knew sometihng was wrong, but could only blindly flail over the course of his 10 or 15 attempted rebuttals. On the positive side, the WN streak in him is now emerging.

Posted by Guessedworker on August 18, 2005, 06:45 AM | #

As it must.

Posted by James Bowery on August 18, 2005, 12:22 PM | #

individuals here will react poorly to a “discussion” of secessionism or the possible forcible deportation of 70 million US citizens…Do they expect nonwhite Americans simply to mutter “yes massa, sorry for being in the US

Its comments like this that make me confident that if there ever were a war with the likes of the GNXP’ers that they would lose.  Basically they’re lying to themselves—which is the ultimate fate of those who rely on con artistry too much.

Secessionism is not the same as telling everyone who isn’t white to leave the US.  Indeed, Secessionism is predicated on the US as it now is known ceasing to exist and there being a two way assortive migration between the new states: multicultists going one way across the border the the ethnostatists going the other way.

Conflating the two is precisely the kind of crime against reason of which he accuses others.

They’ll be toast in any high tech war because they won’t be able to sort out their lies from natures’ truths.

Posted by Svigor on August 18, 2005, 01:05 PM | #

On the positive side, the WN streak in him is now emerging.

I noticed that too.  I don’t see it as WNish, but as more in the cognitive dissonance camp.  Judging by his comments he smells some sort of rat at GNXP, however faint the aroma.

Posted by Svigor on August 18, 2005, 01:18 PM | #

James you’re spot-on about GC’s silly WN strawman of violence.

YES, eventually WNs WILL eventually resort to violence if forced to do so.  The brass ring is to solve the problem before then.

GC, Razib, it’s as much your job as anyone’s to find a just resolution to this matter before it comes to that.  It’s your job to see that we aren’t forced into any last resorts.

The white race(s) will have their own living spaces.  Whether that has to occur over someone’s dead body is not solely a WN decision.

I for one am optimistic that this won’t be necessary, that enough people will come to see reason.

Ironically, if there is any WN violence, it’s likely to be almost exclusively white-on-white violence, as whites are the ones creating the problem, not non-whites.  Non-whites aren’t capable of creating this problem.

GC, you should stop being so scared shitless of the truth.  You don’t need to make GNXP into a WN platform…just stop acting like an ass over the whole thing.

Posted by Tournament of Champions on August 18, 2005, 03:04 PM | #

Judging by his comments he smells some sort of rat at GNXP, however faint the aroma.

Arcane reminds me of Italy in the two world wars, a big fat liability to whichever side he’s on.

Posted by Guessedworker on August 18, 2005, 03:37 PM | #

The most fundamental truth in all this is that healthy individuals promote their own EGI.  In this respect Razib is perfectly healthy (though his preference for the females of another race does not, in itself, attest to health).  His miscegeny, if it exists and isn’t a figment of his imagination (he’s a geek), does promote his EGI.

In turn, it damages the EGI of any white girl obtuse enough to entertain him in her bed.  That is a net loss to white EGI.

Now, to point this out is unnaceptable at GNXP.  It isn’t wrong.  David B, who had the job of rubbishing Salter and who I suspect must have picked up a non-white wife in his diplomat wanderings for HMG, visited us and was thoroughly dismembered.  The GNXP boys cannot win the EGI argument.  They can only pretend that Salter is “a Nazi” as must be anybody who holds, as we do, that the defence of Western Man has an essential racial component.

EGI splits the field thus:-

On one side, all those of European lineage who recognise that what Nature tells them is correct.  Race exists and we are a race, and that bestows upon us certain rights and obligations.

Added to this European group are those individuals (not groups) who, though they are not of European lineage themselves, value Western civilisation and culture and are convinced that it must sustain and progress, but cannot without the dominant presence of Western Man himself.

On the oppsing side are all the others, including whites who believe in the sovereign self, equality la-la-la, and non-whites like Razib and GC strategising for their own EGI honestly or otherwise (R & GC do it dishonestly).

There is no agreement, no meeting point to be found in between.  Morally, the accusations - and deceptions as to white motives - which characterise the Razib and GC half of the equation are simply vile, brainless autospeak.  Why do they do it?  What are they frightened of?  They are frightened that the hapless host will wake up one day and be done with them.  They fear that they are not equals in white civilisation, but are parasites.  Perhaps they even know it in their hearts and that’s the motivation behind all that racial aggression.  It’s quite normal for sociopaths to transfer their own ills to their perceived foes.

How close Arcane is to this sort of view, I do not know.  Some way yet, I would think.  But once someone of essentially good heart begins to feel himself deceived nothing on earth will coax him back to the bed he knew before.  In that sense, Arcane is already a loose cannon at GNXP.  He needs to see R & GC for the racialists they are, not for their mastery of intellectual deception.  Then he will no longer be able to stomach what passes for respectable opinion on their blog.

Posted by JB on August 24, 2005, 12:51 PM | #

Gutless Capitalist doesn’t like the idea of whites setting themselves free from the clutches of their anti-white governments and securing a future for their race. Besides, that hypothetical political violence on the part of White activists would essentially be a defensive response. The integration of insoluble races in white societies was done at gunpoint by the governments, they didn’t ask for the people’s opinion on the matter. This mass immigration and integration was and is an act of agression against whites: we are victims of these insolubles’ high crime rate and high birth rate and their overall poor quality and we should be free to expell them. We shouldn’t even have to pay for the prisons they fill. Back to Afwica, back to Mehico, back to your sandboxes and jungles. And those allowed to stay should have visas, not citizenship

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 27, 2008, 06:56 PM | #

Something à propos up yesterday over at Dienekes’:

Faces close to group prototypes are attractive

posted on Thursday, June 26, 2008 | 8 comments

Psychon Bull Rev. 2008 Jun;15(3):615-22.

Locating attractiveness in the face space:  faces are more attractive when closer to their group prototype.

Potter T, Corneille O.

Face attractiveness relates positively to the mathematical averageness of a face, but how close attractive faces of varying groups are to their own and to other-group prototypes in the face space remains unclear. In two studies, we modeled the locations of attractive and unattractive Caucasian, Asian, and African faces in participants’ face space using multidimensional scaling analysis. In all three sets of faces, facial attractiveness significantly increased with the absolute proximity of a face to its group prototype. In the case of Caucasian and African faces (Study 1), facial attractiveness also tended to increase with the absolute proximity of a face to the other-group prototype. However, this association was at best marginal, and it became clearly nonsignificant when distance to the own-group prototype was controlled for. Thus, the present research provides original evidence that average features of faces contribute to increasing their attractiveness, but only when these features are average to the group to which a face belongs. The present research also offers further support to face space models of people’s mental representations of faces.

(Notice how race-denying race-replacement advocate David B chimes in the comments section with something stupid because he’s ... well ... a race-denying race-replacement advocate.)

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 28, 2008, 06:02 PM | #

I saw these comments in that Dienekes thread, posted by someone signing as “Kurika”:

Denzel Washington isn’t a prototype of anything (maybe for an actor, he is).  He won’t “pass” for a Negro anywhere in Africa.  In the west or south of Africa he’ll be a Mulatto.  In the east, an “Arab” or Ethiopian.  In the north, an “Abd,” a descendant of slaves, which is only half true.

Dragon Horse, I agree with you entirely on the question of symmetry.  I just think Denzel Washington is not a good exemple. 

I was born in Africa (Angola).  Until my teen years all my friends were Negroes.  Afterward I met guys from other parts of África.  All who looked like Denzel Washington belonged to mixed ethnic groups from Cabo Verde, S.Tomé, Sudan, Suhailis, Fulanis, etc. 

And I was only speaking about “West” Africa, not the American Continent.  It’s why I used the word Negro and not Black.  They don’t mean the same thing.  It’s like “Branco” (white) in Brazil is different from white in Europe. 

Yes, I’m white (Portuguese) and I could be wrong.  But I remember when independence came (Angola, 1975), the Negroes (Ovimbundus) in my region killed everybody who looked like Denzel Washington.  In other words, they killed everybody who looked mixed.