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De la Rey sal jy die Boere kom lei?(In English: de la Rey, will you come and lead the Boers?) The Afrikaner hit song in the video by folk singer Bok van Blerk has been denounced by South African culture minister Pallo Jordan as “treason”.
In South Africa the distinction between being a critic of the government and a traitor is small, as evinced by the minister’s reference to the so-called Boeremag treason trial, and to the plotting of the “far-right” and the South African version of the Gulag. The latter, incidentally, reveals its full nature in the Public Prosecutor’s five-year search for evidence of criminality while most of the accused still languish in prison.
(A newsletter by the Boeremag families can be found here [in Afrikaans/English], while anyone who wishes to send a letter of support to the accused may contact .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) for their address - but don’t forget to include an international post response coupon, because finances are very tight - the prisoners have barely enough money to keep in touch with their loved ones by telephone. But to know that the world hasn’t forgotten them can make a world of difference.) But back to Bok van Blerk. His video recalls how the Boers were up against 340,000 British and Empire troops. Koos de la Rey, the lion of the West Transvaal, was a Boer general during the Second Boer War, and is widely regarded as being one of the greatest military leaders of that conflict. The song asks General De La Rey to lead the Afrikaner Volk (tribe) to victory against the English. In plain fact, it is the glorification of a person that lived a century ago. Bok himself has responded defensively to the furore the song has caused. He co-wrote it, he says, with Sean Else and Johan Vorster purely to reflect the history of the Afrikaans speaking people. Nothing political about it! Even so, there are many who believe that his real purpose is to call for a new leader to once again deliver his Afrikaner people out of harm. And who, excepting the ANC of course, could blame him if it was ... Personally, I’m no expert in lyrical poetry. But I don’t think the American government screens its troubadours or holds their songs under the microscope, warning darkly of the dangers of singing, let’s say, The Battle Hymn of the Republic (on the contrary, in the USA the Battle Hymn can be found on the government’s web-site). The ANC, of course, shows no reluctance in stirring up the violent emotions of blacks. What, for example, is one to make of the leftist and populist, would-be presidential candidate Jacob Zuma’s catchy little number, Awuleth’umishini wami (Bring me my machine gun)? These lyrics are about the here and now, and would, if implemented, be somewhat more more dangerous than Bok van Blerk’s wistful refrain:-
Zuma may only be the “useful idiot” of the South African left, but nonetheless he is an extremely dangerous one. By setting himself up as the champion of the black slum dweller - the disaffected ANC supporter who still waits for the promised new cascade of wealth while the ruling Xhosa mafia enjoy a life of luxury - Zuma is effectively striking matches against a leaking petrol can. Afrikaners, too, have looked on as the elite has got rich through scrambling in the state treasury and by share-capital stealing in the framework of Black Economic Empowerment (affirmative action). BEE itself has no potential to deliver widespread change because there are simply too few whites left to kick out. More wounding still for Afrikaners is the ever deteriorating security situation in South Africa. Not only do the farm murders continue unabated, they are getting worse. Recently, they have gone urban.
And looming over all this sadness is yet one more dark and menacing cloud. The health of the world-wide “political saint” and icon of the ANC, Nelson Mandela, is deteriorating. In intelligence circles it is said that it won’t take very long now. Justified or not, his status in the political firmament has held in check the most destructive political and social impulses in South Africa. With Mandela’s death the end of Mandelatopia, the black Apartheid State called “equality”, is coming closer too. Western intelligence agencies are on high alert for South Africa. It is said that orders exist for military vessels to be despatched to evacuate Westerners with the right passports. But the humble white South African does not have the right passport. He fears a full-scale Uhuru, and knows he may have to prepare for the worst. So, for example, members of the former South African Weermag are busy drawing up internal evacuation plans (in Afrikaans) to get their fellow countrymen, if necessary, out of reach of black mayhem. There are still enough safe havens in the South African countryside for the purpose. One of the places of convergence for fugitives will be the little town of Heilbron in the Riemland region, south of the river Vaal. Accordingly, the buying of tents, provisions and everything needed for a long encampment is underway. Rumours are rife these days in South Africa. But some things go beyond rumour. Afrikaners wonder, for example, why the ANC is training thousands of mercenaries in Mozambique (in Afrikaans). Why is there a need for an army outside democratic control? If they come they will find that the Afrikaner still knows how to defend himself. He is, after all, the great, great grandson of the farmer-marksmen of De la Rey’s time. “De la Rey, De la Rey will you come and lead the Boers? De la Rey, De la Rey, General, General we will fall around you as one, General de la Rey.” Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on Friday, February 9, 2007 at 06:51 PM in World Affairs Comments:2
Posted by ben tillman on February 09, 2007, 07:31 PM | # Wow! So, for example, leaders of the former South African Weermag are busy drawing up internal evacuation plans (in Afrikaans) to get their fellow countrymen, if necessary, out of reach of black mayhem. How well are they armed? 3
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on February 10, 2007, 08:53 AM | # ben tillman asks: how well are they armed? If necessary, such as a century ago their forefathers did, the Boere-Afrikaners will disappear in the field. Transvaal and the Free State have big plains. There only is one difference: this time there is no British superpower to split up the territory with barbed wire and fortifications. 4
Posted by Derek on February 10, 2007, 09:25 AM | # In general, do the whites in SA want to be there and think they have a future there? Or have they simply been unable to emigrate to friendlier shores? I ask because I don’t see any long-term scenario where whites are allowed to stay there with any assurance of security. It seems that SA’s future is Zimbabwe’s present. 5
Posted by James Bowery on February 10, 2007, 10:25 AM | # This is more evidence of the corrupt and corrupting nature of civilization. Neither Boers nor Zulus and Xhosa nor any other ethnic group can be required to lose their language, culture or genes by a legitimate government. On the other hand, if carrying capacity doesn’t support their respective populations it is not in the province of government to compensate for that and preserve ethnic groups that simply do not function—except to the extent that preservation of Nature is more important than preservation of human life. I don’t know the history of South Africa in much detail, but it appears to me the Boers were pulling more carrying capacity out of the land than the native Africans before them and the British didn’t improve on that, so it makes sense that the Boers would retain control of their agricultural lands to that degree. The Boers don’t need “civilization” to maintain the productivity of their lands and indeed the government’s de facto support of farm attacks is evidence that civilization is inimical to the maintenance of carrying capacity. 6
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on February 10, 2007, 10:35 AM | # Derek asks: In general, do the whites in SA want to be there and think they have a future there? Or have they simply been unable to emigrate to friendlier shores? In general, the determination to stay is bigger among Afrikaners than among English-speaking people (regardless the fact that most Afrikaners also speak or understand English). But of course the 400.000 whites who now already live below the bread-line simply don’t have the means any more to take a plane to leave the country for a better live elsewhere or to flee crime or to flee for the case the ever growing anarchy in South Africa suddenly turns into generalised super violence (Huhuru). 9
Posted by Proofreader on February 11, 2007, 10:37 AM | # Here´s a translation I found: On a mountain in the night we lie in the darkness and wait In the mud and blood I lie cold, grain bag and rain cling to me. And my house and my farm, burned to ashes so that they could catch us But those flames and that fire burn now deep, deep within me. De la Rey, De la Rey, will you come to lead the Boers? De la Rey, De la Rey General, General, as one man we’ll fall in around you General De la Rey
And the Khakis (Brits) that laugh —[just] a handfull of us against their whole great might— With the cliffs to our backs, they think it’s all over [with us] But the heart of the Boer lies deeper and wider, that they’ll still find [out] At a gallop he comes, the Lion of the West Transvaal
De la Rey, De la Rey, will you come to lead the Boers? De la Rey, De la Rey General, General, as one man we’ll fall in around you General De la Rey De la Rey, De la Rey, will you come to lead the Boers? De la Rey, De la Rey General, General, as one man we’ll fall in around you General De la Rey
Because my wife and my child, lie in a Hell-camp* and perish And the Khakis’ vengence ** is poured over a nation that will rise up again
De la Rey, De la Rey, will you come to lead the Boers? De la Rey, De la Rey General, General, as one man we’ll fall in around you General De la Rey De la Rey, De la Rey, will you come for the Boers? [We’re ready ...]
* Concentration camp ** Perhaps this could be translated as “And the Khakis vent their spleen on a nation that will rise once again.” Translation by Deirdre Fields http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/boerelied-de-la-rey-339618.html 10
Posted by W.LindsayWheeler on February 11, 2007, 08:45 PM | # Thanks for posting this song. It is really great and I listen to it quite frequently. It is beautiful. The Boer War was a tragedy and the British were innovators in the war of techniques used in WWI and WWII by others. This song is quite inspiring and uplifting. 11
Posted by Al Ross on February 11, 2007, 11:25 PM | # It was, in fact, the Americans, both Union and Confederate, who pioneered concentration camps during the Civil War. The British copied the innovation. 12
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on February 12, 2007, 07:12 AM | # Meanwhile the nagging of the so-called “Boeremag” prisoners simply goes on. Yesterday the sadistic ANC guards have (among other more serious things) uprooted the flowers that the prisoners had planted since October 2005 in the yard to offer to their spouses for instance for Valentine’s Day. This is no feeble joke, see message below in Afrikaans. And for those who understand Dutch/Afrikaans, here is yet another recent story, see http://www.john-vrancken.org/zuidafrika/zuidafrika_index.htm about what happens (to the food and to the mother) when a mother brings food to the prison. News message (in Afrikaans) Nuusberig oor sg “Boeremag Twee” 13
Posted by karlmagnus on February 12, 2007, 10:16 AM | # Stirring stuff indeed, and beautifully done. A Boer last stand is probably the one way in which S. Africa might not end up like Zimbabwe, but unfortunately I think the West would intervene on the wrong side. The younger generation in the West, even conservative ones like the Young Master, have been indoctrinated to regard the current S.A. setup as the natural state of affairs. 14
Posted by Al Ross on February 12, 2007, 10:37 AM | # Perhaps, KM, the young master’s worldview has been affected by a surfeit of US television. http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol6no3/TOQConnellyV6N3.pdf 15
Posted by karlmagnus on February 12, 2007, 10:54 AM | # Al, that and the school system, yes. The level of indoctrination becomes particulalry intense in high school, where he now is. Even though he’s equally good at sciences and humanities, I am steering him towards a degree in biotech, in the hope that he will be able to get qualified without having his brain completely warped. 16
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on February 12, 2007, 11:44 AM | # Karlmagnus writes: Stirring stuff indeed, and beautifully done. A Boer last stand is probably the one way in which S. Africa might not end up like Zimbabwe, but unfortunately I think the West would intervene on the wrong side. The younger generation in the West, even conservative ones like the Young Master, have been indoctrinated to regard the current S.A. setup as the natural state of affairs. The modus operandi of governments is, apart from their national interests, influenced by what analysts write. I think the West will be reluctant to intervene in this hornet’s nest, because then THEY have to solve the problem. At any event the Boers don’t have an option. The black assassins already have (during their previous murders) cried so many times that they will kill ALL the whites, see for instance (in Afrikaans): http://152.111.1.251/argief/berigte/beeld/2007/02/05/B1/1/thfskoot.html , that there is little space left for imagination about these blacks’ intentions. 17
Posted by Al Ross on February 12, 2007, 11:44 AM | # I’m sure, KM, that, blood will out and that your son and heir will prove eminently sensible. A close friend whose son left Stowe last year expressed surprise at the level of multi-culti nonsense which pervaded some of the courses. His daughter fared much better in PC avoidance at Cheltenham Ladies College. 18
Posted by karlmagnus on February 12, 2007, 12:29 PM | # Don’t forget Richard Branson went to Stowe (where his drug dealing business founded the billion)—it’s always been pretty notorious. As for Cheltenham, having grown up there and returning annually I can report that it remains a town of throughly sound outlook on life, which re-grounds the Young Master each time he visits (of course, some of that may be his eminently sound Grandma!) 19
Posted by Alan Sabrosky on February 12, 2007, 03:47 PM | # De la Rey is one of those compelling songs that could be the catalyst for what the Irish called “the rising of the pikes,” and from everything I know about SA today, should—and who knows, the Zulu might pitch in, they can’t be enthralled with the Xhosa! I was in SA for several weeks in the late 80s, made friends there and still keep in touch with some. On one occasion (I was with the US Army War College at the time, but there in a private capacity), I gave a talk at Rand-Afrikaans University. At the end, in response to a question, I said that US opposition to the (then-current) setup in SA had nothing to do with strategy or ethics, but was an outgrowth of America’s own racial history and racial fears (crime, etc.), especially with regard to blacks (well, “African-Americans” today). And nothing the SA government could do would change that, except give up power to the ANC (you can imagine how that went over….). But that once that happened, America would lose all interest in what happened in SA, no matter how bad or bloody it was, because SA would then be just another African country of which little or nothing was expected. That’s of course what has happened, and I wish with all my heart I had been wrong. And this bears on the message, intended or otherwise, in the song, and much else I read on the various links (e.g., the ANC effort to dismantle the Commando system, farm and urban murders, and so forth). What I mentioned before applies even more now to the situation of the Afrikaner and others in SA: Time is not on your side, your position can only weaken, and if you are going to fight at all, then do it—and if not, then run like hell, as soon and as fast as you can. If it were me, I’d fight—but then, I spent 10 years in the US Marines! 20
Posted by Wikus on February 13, 2007, 10:46 AM | # Did anyone do some effort in listening to what Bok actually said by the meaning of his song or what General de la Rey stood for. 1. Bok is a very friendly and gentle guy, and would not discriminate against color or country in one song and praise a person of color in another song on the same album. Why all the talk then, can’t see the reason for the major conversations about this song, don’t get me wrong I am glad that Bok is on the map now but I don’t think this is what he had in mind. I didn’t see “klopjag” , “beeskraal” or any other “white South-African”(as it has been described in a bad, discriminative way) writers get that exposure. Get real, any person older than about 28jr’s should keep quiet about history if they have nothing good to say. The youth of today 0-28jr’s don’t read race or politics in everything as the older generation does. 21
Posted by Alan Sabrosky on February 13, 2007, 11:37 AM | # I had to smile when I read the comment by Wikus. It reminded me of a saying in the US when I was in graduate school that one shouldn’t trust anyone over 30, but I guess lowering that to 28 isn’t all that bad. As a one-time professor of history, I do agree that a fixation with the past can be very dangerous, but so can an indifference to it. In SA’s situation, I would only suggest that Wikus and company remember that the next two or three ANC leadership political generations will (a) be a lot older than 28, and (b) read race and politics into everything, as they cannot help but do, given their experiences. And if that brings Jacob Zuma or someone like him into power, Wikus, you and yours may not care about history, or read race and politics into everything, but that won’t save you… 22
Posted by Lurker on February 13, 2007, 02:19 PM | # To echo Alan above… Wikus - You may not care about history, race and politics but history, race and politics care about you. 23
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on February 14, 2007, 03:54 AM | # Lady writer Ilana Mercer has new recommendations for the South Africans to solve their crime problem, see http://blog.ilanamercer.com/?p=396 :
Btw, that reminds me of an article yesterday in the newspaper Beeld (in Afrikaans), see http://www.news24.com/Beeld/Suid-Afrika/0,8325,3-975_2068644,00.html 24
Posted by Alan Sabrosky on February 14, 2007, 03:05 PM | # Johan—This is perhaps more for you, given your initial posting on the possibilities for some sort of “internal evacuation” if things deteriorated to a certain point, and reflects my background as both a “muddy boots” Marine and an experienced military strategist: And now, as 20 years ago, I regret the role the US played in bringing all of this about…. 25
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on February 14, 2007, 04:06 PM | # Dear Alan, Thank you very much for your advice. To present myself, I am a Fleming and live in Europe, but my mother tongue is Dutch and so I understand Afrikaans. Moreover, many of the Afrikaners’ forefathers came from the South (Flanders, compared to Holland) so that makes it even easier for me to understand their funny language! What I read on different Afrikaans-speaking websites is more complicated than just “evacuation” (in the event that things deteriorate). It is dangerous for them to be too outspoken, but my impression is that they will try to regroup in the areas where they expect to prevail, if necessary blowing up some bridges behind them. Indeed, I expect and fear a humanitarian catastrophe. What, for example, about the electricity outages? But I also expect the Burgerwag to prevail in East-Pretoria. I wonder whether a siege of Johannesburg will follow. It remains for them to look for a way out to the open sea. The Afrikaners consider Richard’s Bay as their best choice, but in my view this is complicated because then they would have to annex the North Natal. I also made a little private statistic concerning reactions on internet panels to see where the secessionists really exist, and came to the conclusion that the percentage of secessionists in the North is double from those in the South (in South Africa). But this shouldn’t wonder, because the Trekkers went to the North and these are the die-hards. In fact the ANC is a bunch of stupids. If they would offer only 30.000 km² to the Afrikaners, nothing vicious would happen. Off the record, I expect these terrible things to happen long before “Lilliputian” Flanders becomes independent itself, so that we won’t get involved. Btw, Flanders has a bigger economy than current South Africa and Flanders is also economically well–embedded in the European Union. I also wonder what the effects of civil war will be for the rest of the world. Today there was an article that reported that drug-resistant TB is rife in all South African regions. 26
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 14, 2007, 04:42 PM | # Not to distract from this extremely important conversation between Alan and Johan, which everyone should read, but I just want to respond a moment to a comment in the thread by Al, and then get back to see what Alan and Johan are saying:
Ethan Allen wrote an account of his part in the American Revolution — his capture of Fort Ticonderoga, his role in the attack on Montreal, his own capture and imprisonment, his transfer to England aboard a ship carrying prisoners( * ) and his imprisonment for a while in that country, his transport back to the American east coast to be held in a Royal Navy prison hulk( ** ) in I forget which port (New York, I think, which was held by the British), his transfer to a prison camp in Manhattan, his release as part of a prisoner exchange with the Americans (he was exchanged for a captured British officer), his parole in Manhattan, thanks to which he was able to walk around the streets under certain conditions (I don’t remember if his parole status came before or after his release via prisoner exchange), finally his full release, his meetings with important Revolutionary-War personages such as George Washington if I remember right, and his return to his “home base” of Bennington, Vermont, where he led the “Green Mountain Boys” (the nickname of the Vermont militia of those times which, incidentally, later served as the Vermont national army during the fourteen years Vermont was an independent country: 1777 to the year 1791 when D.C. finally permitted Vermont to join the U.S. after Ethan Allen, sick of the delays and of waiting for permission to join, had begun overtures to Canada for Vermont to join it as a province instead of the U.S., a tactic that finally prompted D.C. to act and accept it as a state; Allen dying in 1789, he never lived to see Vermont join the United States, now known, of course, to be the worst mistake Vermont ever made). In his short book Allen describes at length, over many pages, the exact conditions in the prison camp in Manhattan (which, if I remember correctly, was in a big church commandeered by the British Army for the purpose) and it is an eye-opener indeed: many hundreds of captured American soldiers held in that place at any one time were there being essentially done to death by a combination of starvation and appallingly bad sanitary-and-living conditions and disease. Starvation was definitely part of it, absolutely no question whatsoever about that based on Allen’s account, and it was common for the young men to resemble living skeletons before dying which they did in large numbers daily. The prison was a corpse-making machine, taking in healthy young men and turning them out a short time later as corpses. The picture evoked in print by Allen was exactly what we saw in actual photos of the Confederacy’s Andersonville prison camp (which got the German-Swiss commandant of the camp, Capt. Henry Wirz, hanged by the Yankees after the war for taking healthy men prisoners and leaving them in this sort of condition [scroll half-way down to the starved Andersonville prisoner’s photo and read the text next to it]), the Confderacy’s 1) Why this sort of thing happens in wartime prison camps needs to be studied. No, it didn’t start or end with the WW-II Nazi concentration camps. Some causes are obvious, such as the army and civil populations getting precedence over prison camps in being provisioned with available food, fuel, blankets, clothing, medicines, etc. such that under conditions of general shortage the latter are literally starved and/or left to perish of cold and disease, not to mention overwork. 2) The condition in which the advancing WW-II allies found many of the prisoners in the German camps was not necessarily the unique-in-history diabolical-mystical epitome-of-German-evil beyond human comprehension event it’s been presented as in the decades since but, as claimed more and more by writers and historians (some of whom are in jail for claiming it!), an instance of this same more generalized phenomenon of starvation and disease visited upon inmates of prison camps during wartime. This needs to be properly elucidated 1) in the interest of truth and 2) in the interest of removing the bludgeon of the “German concentration camp” propaganda weapon from the hands of those who trot it out for the purpose of silencing opposition to excessive incompatible immigration. 3) If I’m not mistaken, “concentration camps” were first invented, named, and set up by the Bolsheviks in the ‘20s and ‘30s, from whom the Nazis got the idea, the practice, and the name. ( * He was able to insist on and receive better treatment than the others because of his status as an officer, so that he was able to wash and shave, have a change of clothes and somewhat better food, take exercise by walking the ship’s deck, and address the ship’s officers when he had something to say, though the captain loathed and cursed him for a rebel against his country and ordered him never to address him or walk on the same side of the ship he was on. Apart from prisoners the ship also carried two or three passengers, among whom was Brook Watson, a founder of Lloyd’s of London [whose leg had been bitten off by a shark when he was a 14-year-old boy swimming in the harbor of Havana, Cuba, where he was working as a clerk in the shipping business], who treated Allen very badly whenever he ran into him on deck.) ( ** An older ship that no longer set sail, staying docked in port and holding prisoners.) ( *** Bombing so brutal and destructive and seemingly unnecessary that even left-wing Clinton supporters in the States, firm supporters of Clinton’s policy of bombing Serbia, began openly questioning Clark’s sanity, using the word “psycho” to describe him, as I remember clearly from the McLaughlin Group and other week-end news analysis programs on TV.) 27
Posted by Alan Sabrosky on February 15, 2007, 10:25 AM | # Johan— Thank you for the “education” about yourself, I did not think anyone so well versed on the internal affairs of SA would not be from there. I now understand about your linguistic skills with Afrikaans, mine are not nearly so good, although with my native languages (English & German) and a good deal of French, I can read Afrikaans quite well and—listening carefully—understand it fairly well, especially taped Afrikaans presentations (bear with me, please, more relevant to this below). I found your analysis very interesting, and at least as pessimistic as my own. (Btw, I didn’t really intend to be giving advice to anyone, what I wrote was more on the nature of “reflections” on SA options.) Doubt if a siege of Jo’burg would happen, size (area) and demographics aren’t supportive, but you are absolutely right, they would have to get a port somewhere, an Afrikaner Botswana isn’t viable these days, I think. And the whole outcome of this kind of a civil war there would probably rip the place apart like Somalia writ large, and given the strategic raw materials there, a real country-wide catastrophe (as opposed to a “mere” secession and limited civil war) might prompt outside intervention—assuming, of course, that those murderous fools in Washington have left anything “out there” to do the intervening! One remark Wikus made (other than about age…. ) intrigued me, and that was about Bok being a “very friendly and gentle guy.” So I found an interview with him on YouTube, and listened to it a few times very carefully (hence my earlier references to linguistics—see, a method to my madness, or vice versa! ). I wasn’t so much interested in what Bok said, but in him personally, and it is pretty clear that he is not only personable, but what we in the US would call a “bright & savvy guy.” Why care? Because since he IS a bright & savvy guy, whatever the public intent of the song De la Rey, and whatever other songs were on the album, he absolutely had to know, anticipate and accept the “spin” that would be put on it, and the reaction in many circles—both Afrikaner & ANC—to it. Knowing that, he still put it out. And that, I think, speaks volumes…. Oh, yes, if you want to email me directly (and yes, I know anyone here will see this, not a problem for me, no camels or cruise missiles in my home or garage, just lots of house cats!), my email address is: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) -Best, Alan 28
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on February 15, 2007, 03:34 PM | # Bok about de la Rey: http://www.news24.com/Beeld/Video/0,,3-2082_2062528,00.html Bok speaks about the proud nation (een trotse natie*) the Afrikaners once were. He considers his song to be a remedy against feeling guilty (schuldgevoel*) because of Apartheid. I think it is difficult to grasp from outside what these people have to endure because of negative/humiliating daily ANC propaganda. No wonder some of them make the parallel between the Kempton Park negotiations and the German surrender of the Versailles Treaty at the end of WWI *Dutch spelling 29
Posted by Alan Sabrosky on February 15, 2007, 04:32 PM | # Yes, I’d seen the News24 interview before,no reason to disbelieve him, although as a card-carrying cynic 30
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on February 16, 2007, 04:04 AM | # Also to note: in fact the text above the interview video ( http://www.news24.com/Beeld/Video/0,,3-2082_2062528,00.html ) reads the opposite of what Bok says. So the newspaper is taking him under its wing. I could give other examples of the same kind, but I won’t because the SA National Intelligence is certainly monitoring us since this article was mentioned on Africancrisis. 31
Posted by Alan Sabrosky on February 16, 2007, 09:23 AM | # Yes, noticed that And I have to leave off from this thread, fully recovered now and back to work, but I’ve enjoyed it and learned a lot. Best wishes to all who have commented here, and I hope the Afrikaner and those who share their vision of what makes a decent country can (re)create such a place—they’ve more than earned it, and certainly deserve it. Auf wiederschauen! 32
Posted by Trudie Blanckenberg on February 17, 2007, 09:17 AM | # I don’t really have time for this type of propaganda talk but as I stumbled upon this ridiculously skewed debate about the position of whites, especially the Afrikaans speaking group in South Africa I have to object. Julle praat pure bog. It means, in Afrikaans, you are talking sheer nonsense. Please do not make up your own exaggerated stories about what is really going on in South Africa. Keep in mind, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Maybe you need some education on how the internet should be used (a) to source information and to interpret it in context and (b) to pass on information responsibly. Groete uit sonnige Suid-Afrika. 33
Posted by Guessedworker on February 17, 2007, 09:52 AM | # Trudie, Do you really think that African IQ, African violence, African backwardness, all of it 100,000 years or more in the making, was abolished because one old man was freed from Robben Island. Get real, kid. Take a long hard look at the rest of the continent, from Somalia to Congo to Zimbabwe. Look at the farm murders in SA. Study the pictures. Ask yourself what Pik Botha’s government would have done with the murderers, and what this government does (ie, nothing). Look at BEE and the condition of the Boers - a people of high intelligence who, in any normal society, would rise to the top. Ask yourself who is “ridiculously skewed”, Trudie. We, who are awake and understand the negro, or you - a creature of the powerless, deluded and Marxised white dreamers. Good luck in dreamland. You will need it when the fake-saint is dead and gone. 34
Posted by James Greig on February 17, 2007, 07:04 PM | # Trudie, I am an Afrikaans speaking South African who, unfortunately, had to run for my life a few times and know exactly what it feels like to have an AK47 barrel pushed against my head. What is it that you see as “sheer nonsense” in this discussion? I actually found it historically correct, very factual and appropriate - and thankfully devoid of the swearing and filthy language found in some SA blogs. 35
Posted by Al Ross on February 17, 2007, 07:31 PM | # Trudie would be much better informed, if none the wiser, were she to visit this blog : 36
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on February 19, 2007, 04:45 AM | # Although the De la Rey song meanwhile got triple platinum, the song was banned (dropped from the song list) at Loftus rugby stadium in Pretoria, see (in Afrikaans): http://www.news24.com/Rapport/Nuus/0,,752-795_2070988,00.html and http://www.news24.com/Beeld/Suid-Afrika/0,,3-975_2071224,00.html , not to make it “uneasy” for the non-white audience. Complaints had been filed. Meanwhile the ban of the song has been lifted, but only an “expurgated” edition will be allowed at the rugby stadium. 38
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on February 20, 2007, 04:08 AM | # knorrig writes: Netjiese blog, boeta! Sterkte en Voorspoed! In English this sounds: Neat blog, laddie! All the best and good luck! Meanwhile the Nelson Mandela Foundation says that the public will be informed immediately should anything happen to the country’s former president, see http://www.highveld.co.za/thewrap/newscontent.asp#25770 News flash - full text: Madiba is well despite hoax e-mail 20/02/2007 08:30:29 A hoax e-mail is doing the rounds claiming Madiba has suffered a stroke. The e-mail also claims violence against white people will erupt on the day of Mandela’s death. But his spokesman Zelda La Gransie says this is not true. Back to headlines 40
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on February 20, 2007, 10:26 AM | # Mosselbaai South Africa at this very moment: hundreds of posters with the faces of different blacks hung on poles. Some ANC blacks apparently were too hasty to hang the posters and so they now must be removed, or not?
Steve Biko Our history 41
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on February 20, 2007, 11:04 AM | # Panic in South Africa about Uhuru, Night of the Long Knives See: http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=299688&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/ 42
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on February 22, 2007, 10:42 AM | # The SA cabinet’s reaction: http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,9294,2-7-12_2073421,00.html Perhaps they could better show Mandela on television to convince the public? 43
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on February 23, 2007, 04:26 AM | # Uhuru or the Night of the Long Knives discussed in South Africa, see http://dieburgerblogs.mweb.co.za/ViewBlog.aspx?blogid=18 Die Burger is the biggest Afrikaner quality newspaper. 44
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on February 24, 2007, 12:14 PM | # Rumours about Mandela’s health situation continued to circulate in South-Africa, but they were denied, see (in Afrikaans): http://www.news24.com/Rapport/Nuus/0,7718,752-795_2074569,00.html 45
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on February 28, 2007, 04:11 AM | # Articles in the Guardian, see http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2021328,00.html 46
Posted by Guessedworker on February 28, 2007, 05:56 AM | # I read both articles, which substantiate not only your post here, Johan, but everything you have written about SA over the last year or two. By and large the articles were fair enough - excepting this by the NYT writer:-
As a non-literal minded person, how am I to interpret Mr Friedman’s “whiteness”? When apartheid ended in 1994 one of the pillars of anti-white anti-racism was swept away. That is to say, without apartheid justification for the destruction of European Man - not just in SA, of course - had to be adduced from an evidential basis of successful multiracialism. Taking our lands away had to be demonstrated as better in terms of real outcome. We are now all well into the process of discovering that this is not the case. It follows, therefore, that the moral pendulum has swung towards us. If the anti-white Establishment cannot prove it is making our lives better through diversity, then neither the Establishment nor diversity itself has any justification or any moral argument for its continuance. The experiment has failed. Time to end it. 47
Posted by H. Willemse on February 28, 2007, 07:36 PM | # Hail good citizens of the world! I would like to kindly draw your esteemed attentions to the following legal definitions as propounded in the current SA judicial context: CRIMES AGAINST THE STATE: A) HIGH TREASON: the unlawful engagement in conduct within or from outside the RSA, by a person owing allegience and with the intention of The penality clause for the above is likely to be life in prisonment (or a death sentence given the high prevalence of HIV amongst SA inmates and the lack of security, control and corruption in the system as was exposed by the Jali commission of a few years back.) Now gentle sirs and ladies ask yourself, given the above facts, would you make a public admission as to the true nature of your motives - if they where anything more than a mere reflection of history? Any person who values his freedom, life and dignity and believes in his cause would, like the Boers of old “retreat” and ive to fight another day. Yours truly, 48
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on March 02, 2007, 10:14 AM | # Dangerous situation in South Africa continues, see http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=300707&area=/insight/insight__national/ and http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=300718&area=/insight/insight__editorials/ Btw there probably is no link between the so-called Boeremag and the Suidlanders and there certainly was no appeal by the Suidlanders to gather weapons. But of course this is South Africa police force “news”… 49
Posted by Magda on March 05, 2007, 03:26 PM | # Johan and Alan, thank you for your insight into our situation. We are walking the thin line between “democracy” and total chaos. It helps to know that there are people out there who are not totally ignorant of the situation, although many of our fellow countrymen choose to ignore the signs. We have no other choice than to stay and face the music, but we refuse to live in fear. We do take precautions for our safety, but we live and die by the grace of God. 50
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on March 07, 2007, 07:31 AM | # Pupils at an Eastern Cape school are doing a choreographed set of movements to Bok van Blerk’s controversial song De la Rey, see http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=301226&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/ …“This actually shows to people and especially other schools where it’s [De la Rey] forbidden that it is actually just another song. We just show that De la Rey is something to enjoy. We make fun,” one student said. 51
Posted by Marie van der Zandt on March 13, 2007, 01:56 PM | # I like the song and it reminds us of our roots, like the add on TV 2. If you don’t know where you come from then how do you know who you are, we need songs like this sometimes to give us a wake up call 52
Posted by Ruan Steyn on March 19, 2007, 01:50 AM | # I stumbled across this link by accident while doing some research (out of interest sake) on De La Rey. Reading about the farm attacks again forced tears into my eyes, same as it did the first time. I live in South Africa and am constantly faced with horrifying events in the media that would upset an iron stomach and force a grown man to break down and cry. For those of you following recent events in the SA news would undoubtedly have heard about the plight of Sheldeen Human (7) who was abducted and murdered last month (and no, not by a black man). I mention her tale because she had a life of hell in this country (of equality). Her death probably came as a welcome to her, as bad as that might sound. The poor child was starved, not by the man who abducted her, but by poverty. Please read the following from http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2085490,00.html “She’d endured more in her seven years than any child her age. What she went through was not fit for a child.” Sheldean fainted from hunger at school barely a week before she disappeared. Her mother knew about it. “I explained to the school there was too little for her (to eat). They put her on the food parcels.” The frail girl received food at home about three times a week. Her mother chokes back the tears and says she’d “rather not” talk about it. “If I could turn back the clock, I’d like to give her a better home - to care for her better. Something tells me I’ve failed. I feel so guilty.” Here’s another excerpt from the newspaper about Pres. Thabo Mbeki and what he had to say about the fear we all have to live with regarding crime in SA. Very racist indeed. (In Afrikaans) Kenners en leiers regoor die spektrum sê Mbeki begaan ’n groot fout met sy beskuldiging dat wittes weens hul kwansuise diepgesetelde rassisme swart mense as inherent misdadig beskou. Opposisiepartye het Mbeki ook skerp gekritiseer oor sy opmerkings in sy weeklikse Letter from the President op die ANC se webblad. “Vir dié deel van ons bevolking (wittes) kommunikeer elke gerapporteerde voorval die skrikwekkende en verwagte boodskap dat die kaffers op pad is,” skryf Mbeki onder meer. Met verwysing na wittes se houdings jeens swartes en reaksies op misdaad gebruik Mbeki die k-woord elf keer in die rubriek, onder meer in twee sub-opskrifte, “Kaffirs at the workplace” en “The Kaffirs are coming”. In die rubriek praat Mbeki ook weer van die “persepsie van misdaad”. I am truly sorry to say that I have been a victim of SA’s fastest growing industry, Crime, along with numerous other people I personally know, and I have to sadly say, trying not to sound racist myself, that every single incident has been perpetrated by black people. Most likely illegal immigrants from Zimbabwe, Mozambique or Nigeria as is mostly the case with syndicated crime in South Africa. I have one thing more to say. What really warmed my heart and gave me a speck of hope is that there are people out there who have not been brainwashed by the mass media regarding the circumstances in South Africa. Daar is nog baie kak wat gaan spat in die land. 53
Posted by ROOI MIER on April 12, 2007, 03:18 AM | # Ek dink net die Afrikaaner moet ophou om vir n leier te wag om die boere te lei ,ek dink dit sit in elke Afrikaaner om net soos die Boere of Voortrekkers teen die zoeloes geveg het by die slag van bloedrivier en hulle n loessing gegee het, om dit in hulle agterkoppe te sit en dit noot moet vergeet nie ,die hele land toe dit nog appartheid was ,was die lokassies buite die dorpe gewees ,en hulle was klein ,ek mag dalk verkeerd wees maar met grondhervorming en die nuwe grondwet blyk dit vir my,die nuwe regering se plan is om die dorpe te omsingel ,maar moet dit noot vergeet nie,dat soos by die slag van bloedrivier die boere net n handvol was ,n tandards het eendag vir my gese as jy net 10 Boere elkeen n haelgeweer gee wat sal die uitslag wees ,als van die beste ,en onthou die Afrikaaner’ Voortrekker ’ of die Boer watookal jy jouself noem sal altyd bestaan en die wereld is nie teklein vir hom nie ,en elke dag maak nie saak waar jy gaan nie sal jy altyd n Boer ontmoet ,en ons het n groot invloed in baie lande ,onthou die spreukwoord wat se n Boer maak n plan 54
Posted by cobus on April 13, 2007, 02:32 AM | # The name of the journal is “Sarie” not “Sarie Marais”. Sarie Marais is a old Afrikaans folk song, and calling the journal that can be taken quite offensively by Afrikaans speaking people:-) Haven’t read all the comments yet, maybe someone else have also mentioned this 55
Posted by Pyotr on April 22, 2007, 02:55 AM | # By chance I came across this link. And my impression - what a crock of shit - all doom and gloom. I am a proud Afrikaans speaking white South African, I do not vote ANC, but I am immensely proud of my president and my country. And yes, I have been a victim of crime, but I regard it as part of the teething problem. Yes, there is violence, but so there is in other non-African countries as well. Yes, there is now what they call reverse discrimination, but like the old De la Rey, we will not let this get us under. We are a nation coming to terms with our unique situation. As they a slogan a year or two ago said “South Africa is not for Sissies (weaklings)” Me thinks your efforts should more be aimed at Global Warming and its effects on countries like the Netherlands and Flanders. Would be a pity if you hypothesize about what might or might not happen in South Africa and neglecting the REALTIME effects of global warming on rising water levels and flooding. We can hypothesize as much as we want to, but in the end only God will decide our fate 56
Posted by Pyotr on April 23, 2007, 12:29 AM | # In regards to Fred Right and it’s perpetrated almost exclusively by Africans: Negroes and North-African mulattoes. Wake up or stop pretending, please. So the recent shoot-out at Virginia Tech was a Negroe? Huh? The big serial killers like Jeffrey Dahmer, Jack the Ripper etc were Negroes huh? The people flying into the World Trade Centre et al on 9/11 were negroes? No wonder they are perceived as trouble, because they get labbeled as such unnucecsarily so often. Sheldean Human’s killer recently (in SA), was white. The guy recently (allegedy) swindling billions out of pension Funds - white (even if his surname is Brown). So thanks - I am wide awake and I don’t pretend - I am just objective, not lopsidedly blind. Try telling that to a Boer down there who’s starving to death because denied all employment on account of belonging to the white race, you fricking twittering twit. I AM one of the Boers down there who is denied employment because I am white. So I employ myself - as should anybody else who is unemployed. I know what it feels like being hungry, wondering where my next meal comes from. I am not employed by, nor do I post propaganda for, the ANC. I am just believing in MY GOD and doing what I perceive as right and just. Maybe so should you. 57
Posted by Guessedworker on April 23, 2007, 04:37 AM | # Piotr: We are a nation coming to terms with our unique situation. Who is “we”. That’s really the issue, Piotr. 58
Posted by Graham English on November 23, 2008, 05:24 PM | # The Afrikaaner nation is dead. It has been resigned and relegated to the annals of history. Long may it remain there… ... for it leaves it behind a legacy of a minority of religiously moral individuals and families that took on the might of the British Empire and, depending upon whose version of history you believe, either won, or lost. The courage and bravery of those few, in the face of the enemy’s most unscrupulous behaviour, is without question. These were farmers, not soldiers; but by God did they put a huge thorn in the side of the World’s greatest bullies. Years later, through the Nationalist Government’s introduction of a policy of separate development and the unfairness that it afforded the majority, the Afrikaaner was demonised. As a direct consequence of apartheid, the whole country is now struggling to find socio-econonic stability. But the Afrikaaner is the country, just as the Zulu, the Xhosa, the Tswana and the many other nations are the country. Though I strongly disagree with those Afrikaaners who hold racist political views, I will always respect their nation’s resourcefulness, their courage and their commitment to what must surely be one of the most beautiful countries on earth. In time, as black children and white children grow up together, without the ignorance that leads to fear, that, in turn, leads to violence, the nation will learn to recognize the difference between good people and bad people, irrespective of their creed, their colour or their financial wealth. I hope that all South Africans will engineer a co-existence that generates wealth for the nation and the betterment of all. The transition is doubtlessly difficult. Black empowerment, although necessary, sometimes seems to challenge economic logic. It will take humility, respect and commitment from everyone to ensure the prosperity of all. Let the Afrikaaner be remembered, not for D F Malan’s divisive apartheid policies, but for the courage that the Afrikaaner had to stand up to the oppressor and fight for their rights; something that both they and the ANC might agree that they have in common. Koos De la Rey (to whom the song is addressed) lost his son, Adriaan, to the British at the Battle of Modder River. Has there ever been more reason for a man to fight? And fight he most certainly did. He was a man of guts, determination and most importantly, compassion; having sent the wounded British General Paul Methuen back to his own lines. Interestingly the British reports suggest Methuen was “badly beaten”. The British do not make good losers. Even when Paul Kruger retreated to Moçambique, De la Rey kept on fighting. Respect to the man. Although I was born in Britain, and reside here, I have the utmost respect for my nation’s enemies and the “truth” that one has to excavate out of the history books. It’s about time someone recognized the Afrikaaners’ bravery and heralded it. Let it be. If there is a coded message for a white supremacist backlash; so be it. It will fail. The people of South Africa are more concerned with stability, unity and prosperity than paranoid nonsense. But never let them forget the contribution that each has made to what will, hopefully become, the best country on earth. G 59
Posted by Lurker on November 23, 2008, 06:05 PM | # Keep drinking the Kool-Aid Graham, all the people of the rainbow nation are working together for their common future, is that right, is that your belief, just those churlish whites spoiling it for everyone else? The reality its whites who believe in the ‘system’. Even though its control has been taken from them its they who keep the lights on, the police operating, the military, the hospitals, the economy. We’ll be seeing the same in the US and elsewhere before too long. 60
Posted by Sick&tired; on September 02, 2009, 07:52 PM | # The real issue in South Africa, from my perspective is human rights. As a fact there is to much of it, even murderers and rapists have so called rights. Don’t get me wrong everybody should be respected and treated equally but benefiting criminals at the cost of law abiding citizens is a joke. I am a white South African with a black part-time house keeper who seems to be prone to frequent outbursts of illogical rage. If you cant afford to give her a double end of the year bonus, which by the way is not compulsory, you are called a “robber”. Also when she works slowly and you ask her to pick up the pace you are compared to the apartheid regime. To be clear, despite your very best efforts to keep her happy you are treated like “honde bollie”(for lack of a better term “dog crap”). So honestly, it is not the whites who dwindle on the past but the ANC goverment as is evident by their policy of affirmative action. Also the strikes by some “stupid” people in South Africa in a time of economic recession also shows the negative effects of human rights. To conclude I will compare human rights to a piece of rope or a leash, if you give a person enough he might actually hang himself. 61
Posted by Frank on September 02, 2009, 08:48 PM | # You should do without a black maid, and then wouldn’t have cause for complaint. My folks (most of my closely related households) have a maid, but I sure don’t, and won’t get one. Take your clothes to get pressed, and otherwise the chores are quick and easy. Have a few kids to do them for you. Having a black woman in your house who thinks you’re a “racist” is surely a risk. She’s apt to steal from you or to allow in someone to do it for her. When the Chinese colonise a part of Africa, they sure don’t hire locals - the Chinese keep to themselves. I don’t understand why Europeans have need of servants. 62
Posted by Sick&tired; on March 21, 2010, 05:53 PM | # I totally agree with you Frank, but as I mentioned she is only part-time coming in only a few hours a week. We live in a large house on a big yard, we where a large family. All my brothers and sisters got married and moved out so we cannot divide the work among us anymore. The yard alone takes up most of our time and we do a lot of the house work ourselves. In the summer we have a lot of washing since it tends to get very warm here. The nearest place who would press your clothes is quite a distance from us. After a long day at work and the nightmarish traffic I truly do not see myself all dirty and tired driving into that area at night every other day. Even with her help we cannot get to everything. I really don’t see the house looking as it does without her help. We are moving to a smaller house soon and thinking of letting her go within the next few months as we settle in. We will also have a smaller yard to maintain. clearing the old yard of weeds literally takes days and when you are done you have to start all over again from the beginning because new weeds began to grow. So it goes week, after week, after week… 64
Posted by witkowsky on October 12, 2010, 04:52 AM | # Ek vertaal hierdie lied op die Russiese taal. En sy sal sing in Rusland. Next entry: Postcivil Society: Empty the Cities Previous entry: For Your Daughters |
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I also recognize that as long as Bok is in SA, and does not have a death wish, it is in his very real interest to downplay the significance of that song, and especially of his video. The video much more than the lyrics sends—to me—a very specific message. FYI, when I saw the video, my first reaction was to check the news in case I had missed an Afrikaner uprising, and my second was to wonder if the singer had somehow internalized the concept of Bushido, and whether he was still walking the streets!
Posted by Andrew on February 09, 2007, 07:24 PM | #
It seems the South African Culture Minister has developed a unique primitive sense of Humor;
What Cultural sensitivity may he be talking about?
Lobotomized Moron sensitivity maybe?
Perhaps there is some genetic deformity that links Afro American rap crappers and a Liberals pathological trait along with their naturally occurring mental deficiencies of and almost equal to Negroids. I better throw in Moslems too. They lap up this Rapper Crap shit, it fits well with their principles; “They don’t have any”.
One in ten is not odds on favorite for success, and the basic Math’s and statistical equations compounding ; is a deliberate sign that any White people in Africa best get out now; You are dead or soon will be, and it will not get better by the looks of it.