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Do the Taino still exist?Following dozens of comments from outraged commenters self-identifying as such, Nature changed its answer to this question. Originally, this news article was titled ‘Breathing Life into an Extinct Ethnicity’ and stated: “The Taínos were the first Native Americans to meet European explorers in the Caribbean. They soon fell victim to the diseases and violence brought by the outsiders, and today no Taínos remain.” Three days later, the title was changed to ‘Rebuilding the genome of a hidden ethnicity’ and the offending paragraph was replaced with: “The Taínos were the first Native Americans to meet European explorers in the Caribbean — and they soon fell victim to the diseases and violence brought by the outsiders. Today, the genomes of most if not all descendents of Taínos now contain few of the unique markers that characterized their ancestors. “ and a correction was added: “This article originally stated that the Taíno were extinct, which is incorrect. Nature apologizes for the offence caused, and has corrected the text to better explain the research project described.” The article is worth reading (some of the comments, too). Here are some excerpts: From the article:
Most of the comments are from outraged people who identify themselves as Taino. Roberto Borrero, who is apparently some community activist/leader, writes (all bolding that follows is mine):
A self-identified Taino spiritual leader and elder signing as Dr. Christina Wind Walker Bautista MD (MA) writes:
Many of the commenters admit that their community is admixed, but complain that they are being unfairly singled out: “All native american indians are of mixed race..less than one percent of one percent are consider full bloods..We live our lives by what we are taught and was handed down from generations after generations.” “Yes, we are the product of history, the mixture of different races,religions, cultures,wars, greed, slavery,and now research. Those realities are what make us the Tainos of today. ... No, we are not the pre-columbus Taino of 500 years ago. ... To exclusively use DNA to determine the rights for the existence of certain groups of people it is discriminatory and offensive and will exterminate hundreds of communities” “To try to sit there and say that we do not exhist because of a DNA study is to say the a very large percentage of Native Americans do not exhist for there are mixed bloods in all nations . So why are we being singled out ? How can you or anybody else try to tell us that what we were taught by our parents , our grandparents and great grandparents is a lie , is false is an untruth . We did not wake up one morning and decide we wanted to be Indians , this was passed down to us” Their outrage at being labelled extinct is understandable, but their defense is as confused as it is spirited, as typified by the following comment:
A ‘British Male’ comes to the rescue, using his anti-racism training to build up the integrity (moral and genetic) of the modern ‘Taino’:
And finally, Carlos Bustamante, the population geneticist leading the study steps in to soothe feelings:
So do the Taino still exist? Perhaps there are pockets in the Caribbean where we can find individuals with relatively low levels of European and African admixture. But I suspect such cases will be rare and, given the admitted admixture of those stronly identifying today as Taino, they will eventually become amalgamated into the North American Mestizo population.
Posted by Dasein on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 06:26 AM in Anthropology Comments:2
Posted by Alaric on October 19, 2011, 08:55 AM | # Why is it interesting - and ‘worth reading’ - to view more of the yawn-inducing nigger/spic apologism and rampant anti-White hatred that you get from every media source these days? 3
Posted by Dasein on October 19, 2011, 12:34 PM | # Fair enough. Most of the comments are probably not worth reading (I’ve updated the entry to mention this). I think what the researchers are trying to do (recreate ancestral populations based on modern ones) is interesting, though. I didn’t notice so much nigger/spic apologism or rampant anti-White hatred, rather confusion in reconciling their obvious mixed state with their origins narrative. 5
Posted by drong drong on October 19, 2011, 05:09 PM | # Fancy to see Dasein apologize to the Tactless Arian. One can only hope that the new inhabitants of Europe will be considerate enough to adhere to the ‘traditional’ self-ids and culture (if there is or will be anything of that left) of the continent. Even if that becomes the case, the US American of the future might find the opportunity to point out how his contemporary, living Europeans are extinct. Bummer. 6
Posted by RedSpaniel on October 19, 2011, 05:40 PM | # There is one Carib Indian group that refuses to “blend in”: Insularity of the Kuna People Kuna society is very insular. Outsiders, called Uagmala or Waga, are prohibited from owning property or living on the Comarca Kuna Yala (the Land or Islands of the Kuna). Intermarriage with outsiders is also strictly banned and any Kuna who do are always banished from the Comarca. Only one foreign spouse has been allowed to live in the Comarca and that only after protracted debate in the Kunan Congress. This insularity in part stems from past oppression by the Panamanians and by attempts by outsiders to conform the Kuna people to their own expectations and cultural values.
A swastika shape is a symbol in the culture of the Kuna people of Kuna Yala, Panama. In Kuna tradition, it symbolizes the octopus that created the world; its tentacles, pointing to the four cardinal points.[30] 7
Posted by Jimmy Marr on October 19, 2011, 11:04 PM | # 8
Posted by Hail on October 20, 2011, 01:13 PM | #
That is a strange video. [2:30 to 3:00] [4:50] ________________ 9
Posted by Dasein on October 21, 2011, 04:49 AM | # I see the formatting buttons have been added to the Entry form. Thanks to whoever (JR?) did that. 10
Posted by Lurker on October 21, 2011, 05:24 AM | # In the Portland video - we hear the whining hispaniic telling us how only whites can be racist in this system and then threatening to sue the cameraman! So Mr Whiney El Spico what does that tell us about the supposed racism of the system? I would like to think the next time I see him on video it will be clutching his free one way ticket (cattle truck class only) for the train south of the border. 11
Posted by Hail on October 21, 2011, 11:31 AM | #
The changes seem to have broken the ‘Preview’ button. Or maybe it’s just me. I don’t know what will appear in the post: The material in the entry-form, or what shows up in preview. It’s frustrating. Next entry: Why the Germans? Why the Jews? Previous entry: Some points of interest |
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Posted by Dasein on October 19, 2011, 07:50 AM | #
Would it be possible to have the formatting buttons added to the Control Panel entry form? I guess the new version of Expression Engine doesn’t include them by default. Thanks.