Europe is Dead. Long Live Eurasia

First look at this .

The European Union agreed Monday to start talks on Ankara’s eventual membership in the organization — a historic first step that would transform the bloc by taking in a predominantly Muslim nation and expanding its borders to Asia and the Middle East.

… The negotiations came amid fears that rejecting the only Muslim EU candidate country could destabilize the Turkish government, which has staked its future on building ties with the West. Turkey neighbours - Iraq and Iran - and U.S. officials regard Turkish stability as critical.

Washington also has showcased Turkey as an example of a Muslim country that is not only pro-Western but also secular and democratic.

But many Europeans have questioned the bloc’s ability to absorb the nation of 70 million people and invoked concerns about admitting a poor and predominantly Muslim nation. Amid deepening fears in Europe toward immigrants, Turkey’s candidacy also raises the prospect of millions more potential newcomers.

Now study this, in particular, the chart showing polling data on European opinion with respect to Turkish membership in the EU.

Well, then, the majority of people in the EU oppose Turkish membership in that body, but now, with the weak Austrians browbeaten into acceptance, all 25 EU “leaders” have accepted that Turkish membership talks will proceed.

Let me redefine “western democracy” for anyone who lacks a full understanding:-

A political system in which the ethnic interests of indigenous Europeans are disregarded or attacked.

Nothing more, nothing less.

A thought experiment, if I may. Assume that the leaders” of the EU had agreed to put the issue of Turkey in the EU to a vote. Let us assume that a majority of the voters in each EU nation had to agree to Turkish membership for it to happen. Let us assume, for the sake of my argument, that in every EU nation, a full 90% of the voters went against Turkish membership.

What would then happen?

Simple.

The EU’s “leaders” would proceed to completely ignore the electoral results and proceed full steam ahead for Turkish membership. And the populations of EU nations would take that without protest.

After all, in one sense, isn’t this what is happening? It is clear that a majority, albeit not 90%, of EU citizens reject the idea of Turkey as a full member of the EU. And yet, the nations of the EU are nonetheless eager to reverse centuries of history and invite the enemy of Europe into that continent with the red carpet.

I see.

European Caucasians fought tooth and nail at Thermopylae, Salamis, Marathon, Tours, Rhodes, Lepanto and at the gates of Vienna (remember, Austrians?), to keep the Non-European Caucasian hordes from inundating the West.

Now, the passive, sissified ECs sit back and let the NEC flood in, without protest, without mass rallies, without civil disobedience, without one leader speaking up – even those who have publicly opposed Turkish membership – and saying: we don’t want these Asiatic aliens as part of Europe; it is race and it is culture.

No. After all, there is a soccer match to watch, and that, after all, is much more important.

Welcome to the Eurasian Union. Welcome to the Death of the West.

Funeral arraignments are in progress.

Posted by JW Holliday on Monday, October 3, 2005 at 05:47 PM in European Union
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Posted by Kubilai on October 03, 2005, 06:22 PM | #

I followed this closely today with people over in Europe. I was utterly appalled by the turn of events. You are right, the brazenness of the elite to disregard the will of the people is totalitarian and disgusting. This will result in one of several possible scenarios…

1) Europe has gasped its last breath.

2) The EU will cease to exist over time because certain countries will have had enough of the bullying.

3) The people will storm the capitals and hang the elite from the highest towers.

Don’t look now, but I hear the people of Europe are organizing as we speak. (sarcasm)

Posted by Matra on October 03, 2005, 06:25 PM | #

I’m angry at the EU elites for this but let’s not allow the Americans off the hook. At the end of last week it was the US government that issued an unusually strong statement warning Europe not to reject Turkish membership. The US has a lot of clout and when it puts pressure on the EU to support something (especially something the elites are already sympathetic to) the ordinary people of Europe don’t stand a chance.

Some dumbass Yank (a US government spokesman I think) was just on the BBC saying Europe can’t hope to be a major player in the world if it remains a ‘Christian club’. Huh…and here I thought the Western Christian countries had done rather well over the last 4 or 5 centuries. Don’t those stupid Serbs and Bulgarians realise how lucky they were to have lived under Muslim rule for all those centuries?! Had they been Christian-dominated then today they’d be as poor and deprived as the British, Norwegians and Danes!

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 03, 2005, 06:30 PM | #

Folks,

Let this SINK IN: nothing is going to stop the elites from destroying all that we hold precious.

We as racially and historically conscious people of European descent must save ourselves - we are on sinking ship and we must get on a life boat.

We must unite, balkanize, and become fierecly xenophobic, if not they will drown all of us.

Posted by Guessedworker on October 03, 2005, 06:32 PM | #

“Europe” is for the power-elite. They are traitors ... more, they are executioners.

Posted by onetwothree on October 03, 2005, 06:46 PM | #

If started, the Turkish negotiations are expected to take about 10 years.

Does anybody doubt that the real decision was made in about 10 minutes?

Posted by john rackell on October 03, 2005, 08:45 PM | #

The negotiations came amid fears that rejecting the only Muslim EU candidate country could destabilize the Turkish government

What cowards we as citizens have become, when our elites are more afraid of the Turkish mob in Ankara they are of their own mob in their own capital cities.

At the end of last week it was the US government that issued an unusually strong statement warning Europe not to reject Turkish membership.

Well if you destabilize Europe enough you knock off a large potential rival. Some neocons have been quoted hinting at this.

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 03, 2005, 08:56 PM | #

> Well if you destabilize Europe enough you knock off a large potential rival. Some neocons have been quoted hinting at this.

I’ve long thought a ancillery objective of the Iraq was to inflame and divide European populations in the United States from that of Europe.

The level of hatred stoked by the neocon editorialists towards Europe was shocking.

Posted by Martin Hutchinson on October 03, 2005, 09:48 PM | #

I think it unlikely they’ll be allowed in, because Austria and France have both promised to hold referenda, and Germany will be anti- once they get a government. Furthermore, by 2010 Romania and Bulgaria will be in, both pretty well guaranteed “no” votes, though they may pretend otherwise while still in the anteroom.

Austria caved this time because their recalcitrance had forced the collapse of the odious Carla del Ponte, who’d been blocking Croatia’s application because of the Ante Gotovina case. However, Croatia’s path into the EU, now that negotiations can begin, will be pretty quick—‘08, probably—and after that Austria will oppose further enlargement. Croatia, once in, will generally be a helpfully Euro-sceptic country.

Here’s the Ante Gotovina website, with which I largely agree.

http://www.antegotovina.com/default.aspx?LID=1

Overall, I agree that the EU will almost certainly collapse of its own weight well before 2020

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 03, 2005, 10:35 PM | #

My strong impression is the Zionist Jews who are in a position to influence U.S. policy view Turkey’s entry into the E.U. as good for Israel and therefore strongly support it. I don’t believe for one second that they support it because they think it’s good for the U.S. or Europe. They put Israel’s interests first. So much for the Zionist Jews in the U.S. government. At least their position vis-à-vis Turkey is understandable. I oppose it with every ounce of my being, but at least one can comprehend what they’re doing: they’re looking out for Israel’s interests. Now, as for why all the el-mucho-stupido white Euro Christians in the U.S. government, starting with President Bush, and all the white-Euro-Christian billionaires and other élites who influence government decisively aren’t looking out for white-Euro-Christendom’s interests, and instead are joining in this strong support for Turkey’s entry into the E.U., I can’t begin to comprehend—just as I can’t fathom why these same extremely low-IQ white Euro Christians who are running and influencing the U.S. government and most of Europe (and Canada, Australia, and New Zealand) support the total annihilation of the white-Euro-Christian race through forced population-transfers of Negroes, Mexicans, North Africans, Orientals, and Subcons into its territories wherever on the planet it exists, coupled with draconian laws that actually give non-whites preference and advantage over whites in their own countries, so as to make extinction of whites via race-replacement inevitable. I can’t understand that. The Jews I can understand perfectly—they’re looking out for their interests. But the white Euro Christians? It’s anybody’s guess what that lot are up to—totally mind-boggling is their rush to commit suicide. All that said, here are a couple of what must be the tons of references out there discussing the close ties between the extremely influential Jewish Zionists working in the Bush administration, on the one hand, and both Israel and Turkey on the other: the powerful JN neocons in this government have given the strong-arming of Turkey’s entry into the E.U. their highest priority (disclaimer: I don’t support James Zogby or his Arab-American groups and I don’t endorse “The Nation” magazine, that deadly enemy of so much in this life that normal people everywhere cherish):

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 03, 2005, 10:39 PM | #

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Here

‘s Zogby:

Almost immediately upon leaving office, Perle and Feith teamed up to sell their access as foreign lobbyists. One of their earliest clients was the government of Turkey.

In 1989, Feith registered International Advisors Inc. (IAI) as a foreign agent representing the government of Turkey. In official documents, one of the stated purposes of the work of IAI was to “promote the objective of U.S.-Turkish defense industrial cooperation.”

The move was heralded in the Turkish press as creating a “warmer atmosphere” between Turkey and conservative members of Congress and “the strong Jewish lobby in the United States.” It was thought that these relationships would help Turkey’s military ties and sales to the United States. IAI was described in both the United States and Turkish press as Perle’s brainchild. The Wall Street Journal, reported in early 1989 on the creation of IAI as follows:

“Richard Perle, who among other things supervised U.S. military assistance to Turkey during his recent seven-year hitch in the Pentagon, has created a company in Washington to lobby for Turkey. The company, International Advisors Inc., is headed by three men, including two who worked under Mr. Perle at the Defense Department. According to a statement the company filed with the Justice Department, it will ‘assist in the efforts for the appropriation of U.S. military and economic assistance’ to Turkey.”

Perle, however disputed this claim saying that IAI was not his group. He claimed that he was merely an “advisor.” He further noted “I find very distasteful this business where people leave the government and the next thing you know, they’re on the other side of the table negotiating with the U.S.”

And in a letter to the editor of the Wall Street Journal, Perle elaborated his position by stating “I have not created a company to lobby for Turkey….The firm to which the story refers, International Advisors, Inc., was created by Douglas Feith, a Washington attorney. I am not a stockholder, director, officer or employee of the firm. I will not lobby for nor represent the government of Turkey. I will chair an advisory board that is only now being formed.”

In fact, in the official documents filed with the U.S. Department of Justice, Criminal Division, Foreign Agents Registration Unit, Douglas Feith is listed as the Chief Executive Officer of IAI and its only stockholder.

However, in semiannual reports filed by IAI during its 1989-1994 tenure, Richard Perle is listed as the single highest paid consultant to the group earning $48,000 each year. Feith, himself earned $60,000 per year and his law firm, Feith and Zell, received hundreds of thousands of dollars from IAI.

What is most disturbing in all of this, of course, is, as Perle himself observed, the “distastefulness” of this business where “people leave the government and the next thing you know, they’re on the other side of the table negotiating with the U.S.”

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 03, 2005, 10:41 PM | #

(Zogby con’t from previous comment)

That Perle was being disingenuous about his role in IAI and indirectly setting up his former colleague and now “partner” as the “distasteful” one, raises serious questions about both individuals.

What is also troubling is the fact that during the almost six years that Feith and IAI were officially registered as Foreign Agents for the Government of Turkey, Feith and a number of individuals serving as staff and receiving payments from IAI were making tens of thousands of dollars of contributions to both pro-Israel PACs and pro-Israel Senators and Congressmen. In records filed with the Federal Election Commission, Feith himself contributed more than $15,000 during this period, sometimes listing IAI, a foreign agent, as his place of employment.

The one pro-Israel PAC to which Feith contributed $3,500, Washington Political Action Committee, just so happened to be headed by Morris Amitay, former AIPAC official and one of the earliest members of IAI!

Two of the single largest recipients of this largesse were Senator Robert Packwood and Congressman Dan Burton. In an article published in 1997, in the Charleston Daily Mail, Burton was accused of having his position on several foreign policy issues influenced by campaign contributions from foreign agents. The article specifically cites Feith giving this example: “A strong supporter of Turkey, Burton took to the House floor June 5 to denounce efforts to cut off all U.S. aid to the country [Turkey] because of human rights criticism. ‘Let me give my colleagues some facts about Turkey and about the Armenia problem,’ Burton said as he launched into a historical account. The speech went on, citing almost word for word material distributed to members of Congress by Capitoline, Turkey’s lobbying firm. For several years, when the firm of former President Regan aide Douglas Feith was paid $600,000 a year to lobby for Turkey, Feith’s office had regular contact with Burton and his aides. Feith gave donations to a handful of lawmakers over the years, including at least $2,250 to Burton.”
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Here

‘s a three-year-old piece in The Nation on the general topic of the very fervent Zionist-Jewish support for Turkey and its interests. They do it because they view a strong, stable, secular Turkey as what is best for Israel. They either do not care if Turkey’s entry into the E.U. imperils Europe’s existence or (hard to believe) do not see it.

Posted by James Bowery on October 03, 2005, 11:08 PM | #

Estimating the magnitude of the genocide by eyeballing the figures on p75 of Cavalli-Sforza et al, we have an Fst (genetic distance) between “N. Turkic”, which I conservatively take as “Turkish”, and European nations of 800/10000; about .08 or 8%. So applying a formula derived from Salter and Harpending (“On Genetic Interests” p 65):

GenocideLevel=ReplacedPopulation*2*Fst/(0.25+(Fst*3/4))
OR
GenocideLevel=ReplacedPopulation*0.52
WHERE
ReplacedPopulation = The population of Europeans that are replaced by Turks due to migration and differential fertility.

Note the intra-Euro Fst averages around 1%, (yes a factor of 8 lower than the Euro to Turk Fst), so if an average European nation replaced others the destruction formula would be:

ReplacedPopulation*0.08

Feel free to check my math—it would be good to get this right.

So we see that the EU is genocidal even without Turkey, but with Turkey it is at least a factor of 6 more genocidal.

Now, do we have some way of estimating how large ReplacedPopulation might be if Turkey joins the EU?

Having estimated the degree of collective genocides being initiated against various European nations by this action, we should start a grand jury tribunal representing the victim nations and hand down indictments to specific individuals.

Posted by Matra on October 03, 2005, 11:58 PM | #

Thanks Fred

I had some suspicions about the neocon-Israel-Turkey connection and although the info comes from The Nation it seems believable to me. I’ve often wondered if the Israel-Turkey ties had something to do with so many Israelis and neocons supporting the US war against the Serbs - people who shared the fate as Yugoslav Jews at the hands of the same Nazi collaborators. With Turks generally caring more about Balkan Muslims than Arab Muslims and Turkey being a more important ally than Serbia I suppose it made some sense to Israel from a geopolitical standpoint.

Reading about Likudnik Richard Perle’s lobbying for Turkey reminds me that there isn’t much love lost between Turks and Arabs. An old Arab proverb goes:The last act of a Turk before he dies is a stab in the back

Posted by Desmond Jones on October 04, 2005, 01:47 AM | #

Is the model really, Thermopylae, Tours, and Vienna, for there is no Muslim army at the gates? Is it not the Spanish Inquisition, the French Revolution, and National Socialism?

Moreover, what if secular humanism, that born from the barren bellies of the Tudor queens, prevails, as it has so often in the past? The ineluctable, indefatigable force that destroyed Catholicism and white ethnic nationalism and celebrates the new holy trinity; gender, sexual preference and racial equality is also a threat to Islam.

Allegedly OBL in the Observer after 9/11-

We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling’s, and trading with interest.

We call you to all of this that you may be freed from that which you have become caught up in; that you may be freed from the deceptive lies that you are a great nation, that your leaders spread amongst you to conceal from you the despicable state to which you have reached.

Your law is the law of the rich and wealthy people, who hold sway in their political parties, and fund their election campaigns with their gifts. Behind them stand the Jews, who control your policies, media and economy.

The West is dying because it is bereft of spirituality. Is Islam, like Christianity in ancient Rome, its salvation?

Posted by Andrew L on October 04, 2005, 02:12 AM | #

It would have to be an International effort to succeed, I can remember back a few years, Corinthian Governor in Austria? Forgot his name, Well the left rallied against him, so he had to capitulate and return to just being Governor, Of course the ridicule of NAZI brand, and typical, So Communist left on all fronts must be removed from power before anyone can move anywhere.
A long hard battle ahead.

Posted by James Bowery on October 04, 2005, 12:00 PM | #

It would have to be an International effort to succeed

Agreed. That’s why I called for a grand jury tribunal representing the victim nations (plural). Obviously Perle, Zell and Feith should be indicted by such a grand jury and their citizenshiop isn’t even among the victim nations of Turkey’s accession to the EU.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 04, 2005, 12:22 PM | #

“Perle, Zell and Feith should be indicted by such a grand jury” (—James Bowery)

Maybe, but why skip the chief culprit? I’ve long favored impeaching Bush for high treason, then, once he’s gotten out of office, indicting him for it in court and punishing him to the max. He’s at the very least as guilty of treason as Clinton (who, in a just world, would be rotting in prison for it right now—for treason and his many other crimes).

Posted by Steve Edwards on October 04, 2005, 12:32 PM | #

Gee, you’d think race replacement was real after all the way Europe is going. But it’s only a deception, because we all know race replacement isn’t true and is inconceivable to the point that anyone who suggests it’s happening belongs in a funny farm.

Posted by James Bowery on October 04, 2005, 01:12 PM | #

Maybe, but why skip the chief culprit? I’ve long favored impeaching Bush for high treason

Fine, but Bush strikes me as a sock-puppet whose manipulators have some very damning blackmail material with which to control him.

I’m not buying the diversion.

Posted by Phil on October 04, 2005, 06:01 PM | #

Let me, in line with what Martin said earlier, make a prediction:

Turkey will never get into the EU.

The EU elite cannot even get a little constitution ratified. Getting a massive Asian country which is 99 percent Muslim will never wash.

There is a lot of back-slapping involved in these negotiations. The EU elite is like a little club where members know each other and owe each other favours. In this case, Blair wants to be seen as the “father” of the movement to get Turkey into the EU and since Britain now has the presidency of the EU, it is “legacy” time for Blair.

Blair has little concern for Britain or for Europe, he cares only for his legacy. He is legacy obsessed down to the last bone. He wants to be remembered. What he forgets is how fickle public memory is. Mrs. Thatcher saved this country from economic meltdown and the public scoffs at her now. So Blair will be forgotten in a hurry. He will of course try to keep the memory “alive” by regularly writing books and giving after dinner speeches (and make a tidy sum in the process) but he will be forgotten in a hurry (especially if he prolongs his stay in office and gets ejected).

Blair is essentially using a few carrots with the Eastern Europeans who would be given concessions by Britain - all of this stuff would be backroom and away from the public eye. The elite in much of Western Europe won’t do anything at this time because they have nothing to gain by rocking the boat on Turkish membership. They know that they have nothing to lose politically at this stage - there is no political damage inflicted on their fortunes by simply talking.

So the negotiations will linger. If ever Turkey’s membership ever comes to a referendum it will be rejected in state after state across the EU. I doubt if it would have much success even in Britain where pro-Turkey feelings are higher than elsewhere.

Lastly, if they try to ram it down our throats, it might be the best thing that ever happened to us. It could be the one thing that could light the spark to brewing resentment against the transnationalism that has been getting out of control in Europe. Far Right parties would find it an ideal platform. It would be a gift from heaven.

So, keep your gunpowder dry chaps. There is plenty of action still ahead.

Posted by Kubilai on October 06, 2005, 06:24 PM | #

UK threatened Greek Cypriots

Greek Cypriot Administration Foreign Minister George Iacovou said that Ankara had turned the negotiations in Luxembourg into a bazaar to the degree that could have damaged the Turkish people in what he called a public relations show.

LEFKOSA - European Union term President the United Kingdom had threatened the Greek Cypriot administration it would recognise the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus if Nicosia blocked the opening of accession negotiations with Turkey, a Greek Cypriot newspaper reported Wednesday.

The Greek Cypriot daily Fileleftheros said Britain had used political blackmail, including threatening to lay the blame for delaying talks with Ankara on the Cypriot and having Greek Cypriots pay a political price for it.

The UK was reported to have said that the future would entail conditions of recognition of the Turkish Cypriot side and drew attention to the fact the Turkish troops would never withdraw from Turkish Cyprus.

The paper said that Greek Cypriot administration had bowed to these conditions.

http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/344161.asp

I hope this isn’t too far down the list that it is missed. This is despicable and without a doubt the strings were pulled by the US. Does anyone have any doubt about this?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 06, 2005, 08:14 PM | #

“This is despicable and without a doubt the strings were pulled by the US. Does anyone have any doubt about this?” (—Kub, above)

I would say that’s absolutely what happened—the U.K.‘s strings were pulled by the U.S. No question whatsoever. I wonder what Taki thinks of this crap.

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