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Fjordman’s Nazi ProblemFjordman’s Nazi Problem Fjordman has upset some readers at the Gates of Vienna site with his admission that ethnicity, culture, religion and race matter. ( The Age of White Masochism, October 10, 2007) I praise him for describing the members of the European genetic clustering of the Caucasian genetic clustering as white people. He has not yet reached the point of discussing the adherents of the National Socialist German Workers Party and the party’s ideology beyond the blinkers of the indoctrination imposed by his Norwegian education. He tells us: “The Nazis believed that whites, and blondes in particular, had the right to colonize or eradicate others.” The use of the definite article entails that all Nazis believed this. Far be it from me to suggest that no Nazis held the beliefs in question, but I have remarked that blonds were more common in Norway than in Germany in the 1940s. Hitler was not a blond. I recall that some Nazis suggested that if they looked like Joseph Goebbels they would never mention the word “race”. Although Hitler often expressed concern about the future of the white race, the political program of the Nazi party never uses that term. It refers to Germans, fellow countrymen, and citizens. The party program openly demanded “land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.” It was not until after Hitler’s death the Great Britain, France and the United States admitted the wickedness of ruling colonies for economic benefits and as homes for their surplus national populations. Britain, France and the United States never publicly asserted a wish nor a right to exterminate the populations of their colonies. Neither did the program of the National Socialist German Workers Party. Fjordman might respond that the naughty Nazi government did some cruel and wicked things during the war. This is true. But the United States and Britain and the Soviet Union did some cruel and wicked things during the war and afterwards. The loyal and dedicated ordinary members of the Nazi were not asked beforehand nor told about the cruel and wicked things done by their government. Ordinary Americans were treated to propaganda justifying and celebrating cruel and wicked things done by the government during and after the war. I challenge anyone to give an example of film footage being presented in Nazi Germany of any of the mass shootings. Such film footage does exist. Fjordman shares our concern with the disempowerment of white people in what were our countries. The Nazi party program defined German citizenship in biological terms. People who were not Germans by blood were to be denied German citizenship. Member of the Jewish genetic clustering of the Middle Eastern genetic clustering of the non-European genetic clustering of the Caucasian genetic clustering were to be excluded from citizenship. The Nazi party program provided non-citizens might live in Germany subject to the law. The Nazi party program demanded that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the provinces or the municipalities, should be held by anyone who was not a citizen. The Nazi party program provided that if it became impossible to feed that entire population of Germany, non-citizens should be expelled from the country. The most extreme provision of the Nazi party program demanded that any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented and that all non-Germans who had entered Germany since August 2, 1914, should be compelled to leave the Reich. This last provision was never put into effect. The National Socialist German Workers Party was not fond of the mainstream media of its day. They believed the mainstream media was in the hands of people who were hostile to interests of Germans and Germany. What was their solution? The Nazi program demanded that all editors and assistant editors on newspapers published in the German language should be German citizens. Non-citizens should be forbidden to have any financial interest in newspapers published in the German language. I suggest the typical Nazi was less gullible and less culpable than the enthusiastic supporters of the latest American and British invasion of Iraq. Despite his progress, Fjordman is still handicapped by a misunderstanding of issues about the members of the Jewish genetic clustering of the Middle Eastern genetic clustering of the non-European genetic clustering of the Caucasian genetic clustering. I quote: “Jews were once told to “get back to Palestine.” When they did, they were told to “get out of Palestine.” The people who said this didn’t object to where Jews lived, they objected to the fact that they existed at all. I sometimes wonder whether whites of European descent, a global minority, are the Jews of the 21st century. I also notice that while people of European descent are told to “get back to Europe” in North America or Australia, whites in Europe are demonized if they resist being turned into a minority in their own countries. The problem then, apparently, isn’t where whites live, it’s that we exist at all.” Jews were not told to go back to Palestine by members of the European genetic clustering but by members of their own genetic clustering. The people who most want them to get out of Palestine are not members of the European genetic clustering but their cousins. Some members of the European genetic clustering do object to the existence of the Jews, but this is not a mainstream view among non-Jewish members of the Middle Eastern genetic clustering. Few Moslems or Christian Arabs would agree that the Jews are “such a pestilential, leprous, and publicly dangerous race that they deserved to be rooted out and destroyed even before their birth.” (Giordano Bruno, Spacio della Bestis Trionfante (1584).Posted by Robert Reis on Thursday, October 11, 2007 at 01:15 PM in Immigration Comments:2
Posted by gongstar on October 11, 2007, 02:38 PM | # Yes, good post, but that “genetic clustering” business got irritating some time ago and gets in the way of reading. 3
Posted by James Bowery on October 11, 2007, 02:50 PM | # I think the history of Norway’s conflict with Germany during WW II poison’s the well somewhat here more than most wish to acknowledge. I know one Norwegian American who supports white nationalism but hates Germans because of his perception that Germans used Norwegian woman for “eugenics” with German men during WW II. If that indeed happened, it would not be something people on either side would want to talk about much while it would ingrain hatred that would not soon disappear, just as Jews are now instilling lasting hatred toward them by promoting urbanization and then using the farmers’ daughters as corporate concubines today. 4
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 11, 2007, 08:33 PM | # Lebensborn was not a “breeding program.” That’s ongoing victors’ propaganda. 5
Posted by watchman on October 11, 2007, 08:54 PM | # “The main focus in occupied Norway was aiding children born by German soldiers and Norwegian women;”—wikipedia entry on Lebensborn 6
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 11, 2007, 09:06 PM | # That’s not a “breeding program,” Watchman. Norwegian girls fraternized with German soldiers during the occupation of Norway by the German army. Sometimes children were born as a result. 7
Posted by Another Fucking WOP on October 11, 2007, 09:32 PM | # Many French women also fraternized with German soldiers, though they paid for it later when the germans pulled out and the Resistance moved in. And I am surprised they didn’t say rape was involved. The Reds raped(and murdered) but you don’t hear much about that. Guess it isn’t important. Fr. John, can I come to Valhalla as well? I’ll be a good dago, I swear! And no garlic either. 8
Posted by watchman on October 11, 2007, 09:59 PM | # German soldiers had no business being there in the first place. 9
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 11, 2007, 10:04 PM | # Now you’re changing the subject, Watchman. The subject was Lebensborn. 10
Posted by Steve Edwards on October 12, 2007, 02:41 AM | # “The Nazis believed that whites, and blondes in particular, had the right to colonize or eradicate others…” He’s wrong. He means to say “the Nazis believed that Germans, blonde or otherwise, had the right to colonise or eradicate other whites, even if they did not say so directly”. 11
Posted by Robert Reis on October 12, 2007, 04:21 AM | # Tormented ‘war children’ take Norway to court PHOTO: ARASH NEJAD Called krigsbarna or, more derogatorily, tyskerungene in Norway, the children generally were the otherwise innocent products of relationships between Norwegian women and German soldiers or officers stationed in Norway during the Nazi occupation. Some of the children were taken from their Norwegian mothers and sent to the families of their fathers in Germany. Several of these were later found by the Red Cross and returned to Norway after the war. The post-war years turned into a nightmare for many of the children. More than 100 later filed suit against the state, claiming they had been physically and mentally abused in Norwegian schools, shunned and bullied by teachers, molested in orphanages, mistreated by public health personnel and even branded as mentally retarded or having “bad genes” and committed to psychiatric institutions where they suffered more abuse. Horrifying tales Gerd Synnøve Andersen of Sarpsborg, for example, says she was often washed with boiling hot water in an orphanage after being told that was the only way to wash “German children with greasy hair.” Andersen claims she was routinely beaten and sexually molested by a teacher in the sixth grade. A pastor with the state church later recommended she be sterilized. Another man from the mountain community of Romsdal says he was moved around to 20 various orphanages after the war, where he was locked in closets because he “stank,” scrubbed with ammonia and raped by older boys at a school with a teacher’s approval. ‘Never knew’ Government lawyers claim Norwegian authorities never knew about the abuse of the children after the war, and that there’s no foundation for their claims. “That’s like refusing to acknowledge that gas chambers could be found during the war,” retorts lawyer Spydevold. Government defense attorneys also have claimed their complaints are too old to be tried in court. The Norwegian parliament, meanwhile, has authorized some compensation to the now-grown children, but with a maximum of NOK 20,000 (about USD 3,000). Aftenposten’s reporter Aftenposten English Web Desk 12
Posted by Robert Reis on October 12, 2007, 05:04 AM | # Exempting cruelty After a complaint from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, a special prosecutor has been named to investigate charges of animal abuse at a kosher slaughter plant in Omaha, Nebraska. The group claims that cows are permitted to writhe in pain for as long as two minutes after their throats are cut, and that workers tear the animals’ necks with hooks and rip tags from their ears while they are still alive. The plant operates under an agreement between New York’s Sholom Rubashkin family and the Oglala Indians of South Dakota’s Pine Ridge Reservation. The Rubashkins also own the world’s largest kosher slaughter plant, in Postville, Iowa. Previous PETA complaints against this latter installation resulted in no charges being filed by federal officials. Rubashkin claims the process meets legal requirements, and asserts that kosher slaughter is exempt from the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act “as long as the certifying authority verifies that it is in keeping with those procedures of that religion. Then it is, by definition, humane.” He also, naturally, called the complaints an attack on his religion. 13
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 12, 2007, 07:36 AM | # Normally, wartime-style propaganda, such as the lie that Lebensborn was a “Nazi breeding program,” has petered out and finally ended by sixty years after the war is over. You weren’t still hearing World-War-I anti-Hun wartime-style propaganda in 1978. Everyone knew by 1978 that the “buckets of eyeballs seen in German hospitals, gouged out of the heads of living POWs and Belgian civilians” and the “widespread bayonetting of Belgian babies by Hun occupation troops” never happened, but had merely been typical wartime-style propaganda cooked up and promoted by Brit and U.S. propaganda offices. No one was still holding those “crimes” against the Germans in 1978. One sign that a war has ended is the wartime-style propaganda stops being actively generated by the authorities. The ordinary people don’t forget the propaganda stories immediately. For them to forget may take perhaps a generation, so that by around 1950, let’s say, the ordinary people had forgotten that World War I German armies “had done” the things listed above to Belgian babies and POWs. But when the war ends the authorities stop generating and actively promoting the stuff. What are we to make of the fact that the victorious authorities still actively generate wartime-style propaganda against defeated Germany two generations after their victory in World War II? That’s strange: one sign that a war has ended is the official promotion by the authorities of wartime-style propaganda ends. It might mean we’re mistaken in believing the war has ended. Could it be it hasn’t ended? A war ends once its objectives have been met. Is there an unmet objective of World War II? Well, we now know World War II was fought to make the world safe for race-replacement. And we know that the ongoing generation and promotion of wartime-style anti-Nazi propaganda has the effect of demonizing resistance to the forced race-replacement of one’s race: “racism is evil” and so on is being continually drummed into each generation’s heads largely by means of such propaganda. So ... a little reflection suggests an explanation for this bizarre phenomenon of ongoing promotion, by the victorious countries’ authorities, of wartime-style propaganda, such as the ridiculous and, in fact, filthy lie, that Lebensborn was a “Nazi breeding program,” sixty years after the war ended: it’s still officially promoted because in the minds of the authorities the war hasn’t ended. 1945 saw only a truce declared. The war will end only after all its wartime objectives have been met. Including one particular wartime objective. Once that’s been met the wartime-style propaganda will finally end, as it’ll no longer be needed. And we’ll finally stop hearing lies like Lebensborn. 14
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 12, 2007, 07:40 AM | # That three quarters of the U.S.‘s Nuremberg lawyers were Jewish (how did that happen, by the way???) may explain part of how lies like Lebensborn got cooked up in the first place. 15
Posted by Fr. John on October 12, 2007, 10:06 AM | # “Fr. John, can I come to Valhalla as well? I’ll be a good dago, I swear! And no garlic either.” LMAO. As my mother always said, just rub the garlic around the rim of the pan once, then toss the clove in the trash- and that is enough. Good cooks know when to say ‘basta,’ that was all I was aluding to. Did you not know that many Italians in the North, are also blond and blue-eyed? Katia Ricciarelli (who was Desdemona in the film of Verdi’s Otello) comes to mind. I found the Italians of Venice and Florence to be quite different, more “northern” in their attitudes, expressions, etc, than those of Rome or of the South. Merely a case of ‘like attracts like,” that’s all. And as for Valhalla, if only I had the post “Czar of immigration” - sure, any friend of Christopher Columbus is a friend of mine! Va bene! 16
Posted by Fr. John on October 12, 2007, 10:10 AM | # “That three quarters of the U.S.’s Nuremberg lawyers were Jewish (how did that happen, by the way???)” Thanks, Fred. Not knowing much about this arena, it’s nice to find out the obvious things one has surmised all along, are ALL true of that ‘genetic cluster.’ Frankly, I like the ‘cluster’ terminology. It kind of ‘clusters up on you.’ 17
Posted by fwood1 on October 12, 2007, 11:31 AM | # Anni-Frid Lyngstad, from the 70’s pop group Abba, is the child of a Norwegian mother and a German soldier father. From Wikipedia: Lyngstad was born out of wedlock in Bjørkåsen, a suburb of Ballangen, near Narvik, Norway, as a result of a liaison between 18-year-old Synni Lyngstad (June 19, 1926 - September 28, 1947), and a married German sergeant, Alfred Haase (born 1919), at the very end of the Second World War and the German occupation of Norway. In the spring of 1947, Anni-Frid, her mother Synni, and her grandmother Arntine Lyngstad left her birthplace because of fear of reprisals from people who were angry and vengeful towards those who had dealings with the Germans during the occupation. This could result not just in insult, but also in forced separation of infants from their parents and relatives. 18
Posted by torgrim on October 12, 2007, 12:42 PM | # James said; I think it will be difficult to extract just what happened in Norway during WWII. I knew of a Norwegian that was born of a German father and Norwegian mother many years before the War, he was held in a prisoner of war camp by the Germans. I have been told that up at a resort near Stalheim Norway that German SS Officers were used to father children with local women in a breeding program. After the War the locals burned the hotel and the birth records, dispersing the children to locals as orphans, with no history of birth. Churchhill dropped airborne troops into Norway without proper winter gear, causing a response by the Nazis…. The Nazis destroyed almost all the coastal cities with ships- guns from Bergen northward. Bergen was spared due to the fact that Bergen was a Hanseatic League City, a trading town with ties to Hamburg Germany. There is a statue of Churchill in the old fort area of Oslo, it is diminutive and I believe makes a statement about the War and Norway’s sentiments… There were Norwegians that enlisted with the German Army. 19
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 12, 2007, 04:44 PM | #
With all due respect to Torgrim: excuse me but considering all the anti-German propaganda, rumors, fairy tales, myths, lies, and hysteria that have been standard fare the world over since 1945, I’d want to see some solid evidence of that “breeding program” before I’d be willing to believe a single word of that story. Until then I discount it entirely. Besides, the story makes not a shred of sense on its face: sounds like one-hundred percent fantasy. 20
Posted by Robert Reis on October 13, 2007, 06:37 AM | # A war ends once its objectives have been met. Is there an unmet objective of World War II? Well, we now know World War II was fought to make the world safe for race-replacement. And we know that the ongoing generation and promotion of wartime-style anti-Nazi propaganda has the effect of demonizing resistance to the forced race-replacement of one’s race: “racism is evil” and so on is being continually drummed into each generation’s heads largely by means of such propaganda. Very good, 21
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 13, 2007, 09:11 AM | # Look whom the degenerate Scand élites are awarding Nobel Prizes to: Al Gore and Doris Lessing. The Nobel Prize to ... Al Gore??? Or to Doris Lessing??? Why no Nobel for Rep. Tom Tancredo then, not to mention Prof. Kevin MacDonald, Prof. Frank Salter, Jared Taylor, Peter Brimelow, Prof. Michael Levin, James Kalb, Lawrence Auster, Rep. Ron Paul, or literally hundreds of others more deserving? The biggest proof that the extent of Jewish culpability in this entire civilizational cataclysm is limited — is definitely not the whole picture — is the Scands. Yes the Scands are influenced by everything bad that’s Jewish-controlled in Kwamerikwa, as is the rest of the world, and yes they have some of their own domestic problem with Jewish media control pumping poison into their bloodstream in typically Jewish fashion, but clearly their degeneracy has gone beyond what could be attributed to the degree of Jewish influence they’re under. The Scandinavian Jews must be looking at each other in amazement, unable to believe their luck. 22
Posted by torgrim on October 14, 2007, 02:25 PM | # Fred Scrooby; “excuse me but considering all the anti-German propaganda, rumors, fairy tales, myths, lies and hysteria tha have been standard fare the world over since 1945, I’d want to see some solid evidence of that “breeding program” before I’d be willing to believe a single word of that story.” Point taken. My reason for posting this story and the other antedotal points was to show just how confusing WWII history of Norway is to those of us that came later… 23
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 26, 2008, 11:05 PM | # Fjordman’s book, called “Defeating Eurabia,” will be published this week, but not by a book publisher in book form: it will appear on-line, at the Gates of Vienna blog, in five parts. He’s making it freely available to all, except, as he explains, for those who aren’t “civlized,” who are “neo-Nazis” or “communists,” or who “don’t support the defense of Israel”; otherwise you’re allowed to use the book. Next entry: National Foxtitute for Raciosemantics Previous entry: IQ Matters |
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Posted by Fr. John on October 11, 2007, 01:49 PM | #
Excellent post!
If only the Norsk would realize that their multiculturalist messianism is the equivalent to being modern Quislings all, maybe Scandinavia would awake from their slumbers, and allow disenfranchised whites ‘aliyot’ - the chance to live in an all-white land-to ‘come home to Valhalla.’
Could you imagine the cultural renaissance if intelligent, culture-conscious Christian Whites were allowed to emigrate from England, Canuckstan, or AmeriKa to Norway? IT would be the “Restaurationen” of the Norse race… for another two millennia!
May God awaken the Caucasoid citizens of Christendom once more.
Fram, Christmen
Fram, Kongsmen
Fram, Fram, Fram!