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Foolish people have allowed the Left to push them too farThey would have a message with much wider appeal if they left the Nazi crap out
More here Posted by jonjayray on Monday, October 24, 2005 at 12:28 AM in Far Right Comments:2
Posted by Bo Sears on October 24, 2005, 01:43 AM | # THE WHITE NATIONALIST MOVEMENT AS CONTRASTED WITH THE EUROPEAN AMERICAN MOVEMENT…... “They would have a message with much wider appeal if they left the Nazi crap out” The poster’s comment is well taken. The WN movement is in danger of losing it all, while the EA movement provides a firm intellectual, philosophical, and practical foundation from which to build better lives. Bo Sears www.ResistingDefamation.org 3
Posted by Truth Be Told on October 24, 2005, 02:51 AM | # Some more savvy marketing could push this act into an underground hit or two. Many young music fans get a kick out of being fans of an act that authority figures do not like, and I can see this crowd being drawn to music reinforcing healthy white values if it gets consistently knocked in the press. We need a Karl Rove-type spin doctor for Prussian Blue’s manager. Hey, after he gets indicted, he should be free from gov’t work for a while…;-) 4
Posted by James Bowery on October 24, 2005, 03:47 AM | # The incredible thing is that if these pioneer-stock folks would just wake up and realize that, prior to WW II, the US was ahead of the Nazis in terms of eugenics, they might not need to identify with the mythos of Hitler. The problem is that the spin put on WW II is that it was all about fighting racism and anti-semitism, which, while true of the manipulators that got the rest of the country into the war, is untrue of the rest of the country. 5
Posted by June Gordon on October 24, 2005, 05:31 AM | # Why are you shifting the blame for this to “the Left”? April Gaede, a longterm groupie in white supremacist circles, made the decision to exploit her children in this way. (According to other white supremacists, Gaede never succeeded in forming a lasting liason with a leader, so she needed a plan to fall back on as she aged.) She has said she expects to get more bang for the buck later when the children’s sexuality can be use to attempt to lure men to the white supremacist movement. It is clear that Gaede, a mother who looks forward to prostituting her children’s image, has some deep psychological problems. They may be based in her history as an groupie passed from man to man in the movement, and, as a victim of domestic abuse. However, “the Left” obviously is not a causal factor. 6
Posted by john fitzgerald on October 24, 2005, 07:11 AM | # This person reminds me of the professional negro activists you sometimes get on radio and tv in the u.k. They give the impression of all having gone through the same media training. 7
Posted by Soren Renner on October 24, 2005, 10:25 AM | # I cannot figure out who “[t]his person” refers to in the previous comment. If Mr. Fitzgerald means JJR, I agree: let us not bother with his attempt to demean the Gaede sisters. Prussian Blue has a song based on the famous Kipling poem which includes the phrase “one sheaf, one vine.” http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=6204 I listened to the song. I liked it. Others may decide to listen to JJR when he tells us what symbols we can use and what ideas will be successful. To them I say: good luck with the hand that you are eating out of. 8
Posted by Ivory Special on October 24, 2005, 11:45 AM | # Congratulations Prussian Blue: Thanks for writing uplifting pro-White music. I ordered the CD here: 9
Posted by seelow heights on October 24, 2005, 12:57 PM | # Now listening to RBNlive.com. Alan Stang (a Jew turned Christian) just spoke rather favorably of the Gaede twins and contrasted the uproar over them with the lack of response to the black prof who recently appeared on C-Span calling for the extermination of whites. Stang is in no way pro-NS but looked at the two stories in the context of the anti-white brainwashing machines in the MSM and the educational system. With Peter Schaenk being shown the door the ethnically Jewish Stang is the last pro-white voice on RBN. 10
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on October 24, 2005, 01:05 PM | # I have to say I regard these girls as a very positive development (not that I intend to buy their music, which I’ll bet I’d hate.) If they get anywhere, the MSM will make itself look awfully foolish trying to demonize two attractive 13 year old blondes, and free speech will thereby be greatly assisted. Who cares if their political philosophy is a little undeveloped? 11
Posted by ben tillman on October 24, 2005, 02:06 PM | # Where precisely is the “hate”? The article presents no evidence of such. I would encourage the family to pursue a defamation action against ABC. 12
Posted by Ivory Special on October 24, 2005, 02:12 PM | # Mr. Tillman: You mean hate, like this http://www.halturnershow.com/ExterminateWhitePeople.mp3 (mp3: 00:06:20) 13
Posted by Phil on October 24, 2005, 02:51 PM | # It is clear that Gaede, a mother who looks forward to prostituting her children’s image, has some deep psychological problems. The description of political dissidents as people with “psychological problems” is another standard tactic from the USSR. What “solution” do you propose for such people Comrade June? Something along the lines of what the Soviets used perhaps? Too bad the USSR is dead and gone. You must’ve spent some time in lament. Uncle Karl was spinning furiously in his grave as that wall came down. 14
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 24, 2005, 04:22 PM | # “Changed days in Handsworth” Speaking of Music, the BNP has a sombre “music video” on the Birmingham riots encapsulating the transformation of this country - the Music is good and sombre (starts at about 35 seconds into the clip). 15
Posted by ben tillman on October 24, 2005, 04:44 PM | # The description of political dissidents as people with “psychological problems” is another standard tactic from the USSR. Yes, though it is a double-edged sword under the English common law. Certain types of defamatory statements allow the award of damages without proof of pecuniary loss. These include statements alleging a “loathsome disease”, such as racism is purported to be. 16
Posted by Mark Richardson on October 24, 2005, 05:26 PM | # They would have a message with much wider appeal if they left the Nazi crap out Well, I agree with you on this one JJR. It’s a pity that American white nationalists don’t follow the lead of the BNP and aim at a broader, more traditionalist nationalist audience. Happy face Hitlers might win you some notoriety and publicity, but it will ultimately limit what you can achieve politically. 17
Posted by Surnat on October 24, 2005, 05:31 PM | # What genomics says about race: “Race is real. Much as discrepancies in achievement between individuals are attributable to genetic variation, so too are disparities in achievement between races.” P.C. leftists howl. But neo-Nazis aren’t any more respectable in their grasp of science. They distort the wisdom of genomics thusly: “Science says I’m better than non-whites.” Oh, really? Then bet good money that you’ll beat an Asian in IQ, or a black in a foot-race. By endorsing these diminutive worshippers of the socialistic/mystic/lunatic Hitler, MR implicitly endorses the mustachioed murderer. I want the West to stay white because I prefer white society to its alternatives, but I cannot morally or intellectually align myself with those who cheer pseudoscience or the mass murder of civilians. I call on MR’s moderators to denounce Nazism, or lose the support of myself and those who agree with me. In short: take out the trash. 18
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 24, 2005, 05:33 PM | # Well, I agree with you on this one JJR. It’s a pity that American white nationalists don’t follow the lead of the BNP and aim at a broader, more traditionalist nationalist audience. Happy face Hitlers might win you some notoriety and publicity, but it will ultimately limit what you can achieve politically. Mark and John, There is no disagreeing with this. It is symptomatic of the terminal stupidity of certain elements within “white nationalism” that inevitably leads to this road. How can people be so foolish to not understand this? 19
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 24, 2005, 05:40 PM | # Surnat, I don’t quite see the justification for your argument. To the best of my knowledge, none of the bloggers at MR have any Nazi symapthies of any kind (sympathising with Nazism in 2005 would be ludicruous to say the least). Yes we do get commenters who occasionally sing paens to Nazism. But then we also get those who sing paens to Communism, Leftism, Feminism - take your pick. We are a free speech forum. We do not delete any comments unless it is absolutely necessary. In the history of this blog, I cannot remember any comments being deleted by anyone. For the record, Guessedworker’s family fought gallantly and bravely in World War II as did my family. I don’t think we need to keep repeating this to show anyone that we have absolutely no sympathy for Nazis here. 20
Posted by Surnat on October 24, 2005, 05:55 PM | # Whoa, do I feel stupid. After my eyes settled on those Hitler smiley faces-depicting T-shirts, my lizard brain took over. I didn’t even read MR’s critical headline. I sincerely apologize. /slinks away. 21
Posted by Geoff Beck on October 24, 2005, 06:11 PM | # > After my eyes settled on those Hitler smiley faces-depicting T-shirts, Big deal. Mao’s face is on T-Shirts - he killed 60 million. Che’s face is on T-Shirts - one wonders how many lives he ruined. Castro is still throwing people in his Gulag - and he is a hero to Hollywood. Roosevelt and Churchill ought to have kept out of the war and let Hitler finish of the Bolsheviks, we’d all be a lot happier now. (OOPs sorry this is JJR thread, I forget. Darnitt) 22
Posted by Mark Richardson on October 24, 2005, 06:29 PM | # Geoff, Your comment highlights the blindness of the left to the crimes of communist tyrants. It doesn’t explain how it is helpful for American white nationalists to adopt Hitler as an icon. Whenever this topic arises I think back to all the neo-nazi skinheads I used to see on the streets of Melbourne in the 1980s (immortalised in the film Romper Stomper with Russell Crowe). They achieved nothing because they parked themselves in a political ghetto. If they had been more serious in their aims they would have attempted to present a nationalist politics to a broader public. If we really want things to change, we should be impatient with the trappings of the political ghetto - we shouldn’t be modelling ourselves on all the failed little groups which never got anywhere. 23
Posted by Geoff Beck on October 24, 2005, 06:35 PM | # Like I said… > Roosevelt and Churchill ought to have kept out of the war and let Hitler finish of the Bolsheviks, we’d all be a lot happier now. That is something the respectable conservatives ought to remember. The respectable conservatives will be holding their noses up, drinking sherry, as the last White men are shot. Mark, and just what have the respectable conservatives got to show for themselves? NOTHING! Nothing but homosexual marriage, famiy disintegration, declining populations, massive third-world immigration, rampant miscengation, predatory minority crime upon whites, anomie, corruption of Christianity. Yet, you get your panties is a bunch about that T-Shirt. Unbelievable. 24
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on October 24, 2005, 07:21 PM | # JJR, I forget the Third Reich parable about “They came for the Jews, but I was not Jewish” but it applies. I am not a Nazi, nor even a WN, but I regard the existence of neo-Nazis as a key defense of my civil liberties. While cute if dozy 13 year old girls are giving thrills to skinheads by singing Nazi-loving ditties the left are forced to concentrate their freedom-suppressing censorship on the cute 13 year olds, which makes them a laughing stock. If we teach the cute 13 year olds to bubble ditties only of what we regard to be wholly rational and defensible, the Thought Police will come after us, and we will be in much more danger. These lovable young fruitcakes are thus to be given every encouragement short of having to listen to their music! 25
Posted by jonjayray on October 24, 2005, 07:36 PM | # A very percipient comment, Martin To the Beckster: No need to be embarrassed by commenting on my posts. Being roundly abused from both Left and Right gives me confidence that I am on to the truth 26
Posted by jonjayray on October 24, 2005, 07:40 PM | # “Others may decide to listen to JJR when he tells us what symbols we can use and what ideas will be successful” I am an atheist but as far as I can tell the most successful symbol of all time is the Christian cross and “Do unto others ...” has always worked for me whenever I have tried it 27
Posted by Svigor on October 24, 2005, 08:19 PM | # There is no disagreeing with this. It is symptomatic of the terminal stupidity of certain elements within “white nationalism” that inevitably leads to this road. How can people be so foolish to not understand this? The real problem isn’t those addicted to the role prepared for them (at a cost of billions of dollars and decades of effort), it’s those who know better who cooperate out of a misplaced sense of solidarity. If those who knew better acted appropriately (by consistently heaping scorn on the addicted) the problem could be solved. 28
Posted by Svigor on October 24, 2005, 08:23 PM | # Geoff, the Mao and Che shirt comparison isn’t valid because Hitler doesn’t get a pass from our media masters, Mao and Che do. 29
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 24, 2005, 08:58 PM | # “a ‘loathsome disease,’ such as racism is purported to be.” (—ben tillman, 10/24, 8:44 PM) This is actually right: “racism” is as loathesome in people’s eyes as, say, child molestation or serial killing are or as leprosy, say, or advanced syphillis were in other eras. That’s because it’s defined that way. The communists who invented and who disseminate and constantly promote the word as a propaganda tool define it to have no other meaning. Just as “pear” means only one thing, a certain fruit you eat, so “racism” means only one thing, something as vile as child molestation, serial killing, leprosy, and advanced syphilis. Since that’s how the word is defined, of course that’s how people see it. As a child, adolescent, and teenager in school I was taught that “racism” meant being mean or unjust toward someone on account of his race but it turns out that’s not what it means. I would never, ever treat anyone meanly or unjustly on account of his race yet I get called “racist.” So “racism” must mean something else. It turns out it does: we were taught the wrong definition. It really means resisting the communist agenda (now also the Wall-Street agenda) of eradicating the white race. When seen in that way—as resisting a form of genocide—“racism” doesn’t appear so bad. On the contrary, it appears normal, moral, and commendable and not only that but it’s unconscionable certainly, and for many even unthinkable not to be a “racist” if that’s what being a “racist” is. No white nationalist (I don’t view myself as one, by the way—I view myself merely as normal, the way normal was conceived in, say, the 1950s) approves of being mean or unjust toward anyone on account of his race. They do, however, question plans to commit fast or slow genocide against white people. If that’s “racism,” everyone on earth is a “racist”—every decent person, that is ... But of course all this just goes round and round in meaningless circles, since the word “racism” has no meaning except as a Marxist slogan-word like “the Patriarchy”—it’s a word that cannot be used in a way that doesn’t implicitly endorse and help to spread Marxist propaganda, a word that has no meaning except as a Marxist slogan-word and propaganda tool, and shouldn’t be used by non-Marxists if for no other reason than that it can have no coherent meaning for them. It’s a word for Marxists, for political toadies like this Chapman person in Dorset, and for complete morons. 30
Posted by AD on October 24, 2005, 09:56 PM | # For drawing pavlovian moral outrage, i’ve found that nothing beats a good old ‘Democracy is Gay’ t-shirt. 31
Posted by Freddy on October 24, 2005, 10:01 PM | # “Roosevelt and Churchill ought to have kept out of the war and let Hitler finish of the Bolsheviks, we’d all be a lot happier now.” 100% correct! 32
Posted by June Gordon on October 24, 2005, 11:02 PM | # “I don’t quite see the justification for your argument. To the best of my knowledge, none of the bloggers at MR have any Nazi symapthies of any kind (sympathising with Nazism in 2005 would be ludicruous to say the least).” Wow! Do you read your own blog, dude? There are definitely people with Nazi sympathies here. Geoff Beck, for example. He loses what little self control he has whenever he infers any criticism of Hitler. Not all that long ago, Beck virtually soiled himself because I dared mention the stupidity of Matt Hale, which he read as finding fault with his beloved Fuhrer. If an observer who only drops by occasionally knows this, why don’t you? Prussian Blue does not have any chance of ganering much of an audience. Not just because of its message of hate. The girls have no real talent. Compared to ingenues such as Joss Stone and Fantasia, who have honest to goodness voices, they are laughable. All their future likely holds is time on the couch. Speaking of laughable, someone crashed the Prussian Blue’s website’s server by posting the entire Iliad. Wonderful. Suspect that is the only exposure they will have to it. 33
Posted by AD on October 25, 2005, 12:26 AM | # There is one female(sp) on this thread, vilifying the shiksas, willing ‘Nazism’ on the rest of us and generally spending her(sp) twilight years hanging around pro-white sites projecting her own hate onto us. I think someone has a Nazi fetish. 34
Posted by Tournament of Champions on October 25, 2005, 01:55 AM | # As a non-white I see no problem with Nazism + Hitler. It’s just a rational German-specific nationalism, no more fitting for whites as a whole than Japanese nationalism + Hirohito for Asians. As for the matter of the holocaust, it’s not so clear which side “started it” so I simply attribute it to normal ethnic conflict. I personally made a comment to this effect in a college course when the professor brought up the holocaust for the nth time (turned out he was Jewish) - I tire of it shoved in my face all the time, it’s hardly more interesting to me than who started the Hutu-Tutsi killings/how many died/by what means they were killed, machete or rat poison. 35
Posted by seelow heights on October 25, 2005, 03:25 AM | # An interesting comment from Tournament-who I believe is East (or is it South?) Asian. I would really like to set the JQ aside(like the BNP has done) but it is maddening how little we hear (by comparison with the Holocaust) of the Japanese murders of tens of millions of Chinese and the Jewish-led Bolshevik genocide of the Ukrainians, to take just two examples of similar historical episodes. Reminds me of the final coherent words of the longshoreman-philosopher Eric Hoffer before he died:“I just don’t understand it! Why do the Jews always have this central historical role? 36
Posted by WJG on October 25, 2005, 10:45 AM | # Fred Says: “When seen in that way—as resisting a form of genocide—“racism” doesn’t appear so bad. On the contrary, it appears normal, moral, and commendable and not only that but it’s unconscionable certainly, and for many even unthinkable not to be a “racist” if that’s what being a “racist” is.” This is so true and the exact reason why we should spend very little time saying that we are not “racists”. By the Jewish double-speak definition of the term we ARE ‘racists’, for to not be is to make us accomplices in our own destruction. We Whites need to quit groveling at our enemy’s feet seeking its acceptance. When I see Whites condemning these neo-Nazis as nuts or racists the Chosen Ones smile for we are playing right into their hands. Their is a time to criticize our kindred but not when the boat is sinking - and right now we are taking water faster than we can bail. The Chosen Ones want us destroyed so we should not kiss their rings unless it is merely feigned obsequiousness. When the White-hating “anti-racists”, a prime specimen of which has posted here, are seen to be the evil ones by most of our people, and not us, an important milestone will have been reached. The truth is on our side but the enemy has almost everything else right now. 37
Posted by JB on October 25, 2005, 11:22 AM | # June Gordon: what message of hate ? explain Do you think that nigger hip hop doesn’t contain messages of hate ? And how do you explain its popularity then ? It’s a good thing that the Rothsteins and the Wassermans promote that crap cuz they be fightin’ oppresshun an’ shit by being pimps and gangstaz ? (I apologize for comparing Prussian Blue to jew produced black “music”) You hate the white race but for some reason that wouldn’t make you some kind of hater. explain By the way June if you ever have children what kind of anti-white indoctrination will they be the target of ? Can you tell us what are your plans ? 38
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 25, 2005, 02:00 PM | # Wow! Do you read your own blog, dude? Yo Dooooode! Some love-filled Music for your ears only. Of course, expecting a sermon on hatred in relation to this type of Music would be too much to expect from vile individuals like yourself. “Hate” is a subjective concept as they say. I have actually come to the conclusion that you aren’t white. Your e-mail address “pajaranita” has South Asian connotations. It is therefore not surprising that you only find “Hate” coming from Music designed for white nationalists. When Blacks utter the vilest and most disgusting lyrics, its all fine. Here is a piece of advice to you: if you don’t like living in a majority White nation, go back to wherever you’ve come from. Your relocation will benefit both sides. 39
Posted by June Gordon on October 25, 2005, 02:50 PM | # LOL! You guys are really establishing that you aren’t haters here. . .not. Racial slurs. Claims that Hitler was a pleasant chap. Misogyny. I don’t have to say much because I can rely on you all to make my case for me. Perhaps in your sick minds Americans will be adopting April Gaede’s child rearing tactics: exposing children to promiscuity and domestic abuse during their formative years, allowing contact only with bigots, games of dance around the swastika and murder the minorities, clothing bearing symbols of hate. Most people see Gaede’s behavior for what it is—the product of a mind even sicker and more hateful than most white supremacists.’ What the future holds for you and yours is even more marginalization than you currently are subject to. People like Gaede are helping you achieve that deserved status. 40
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 25, 2005, 03:00 PM | # LOL! Well, if we’re doomed (eternally damned, if you will) why do you keep coming here and waste your time? For your information (in case you are too feeble-minded to read), I am English, as are Guessedworker and Martin Hutchinson. Mark Richardson is Australian, as is John Ray. Geoff, JW Holliday and J Richards are Americans. This is by no means an exclusively American blog. As for “white nationalism”, its variants have been thriving in Europe, you will be pleased to note - to the point that the Brussels bureaucracy is getting almost as paranoid as people like yourself. As for Britain, far from marginalization, multiculturalism is actually benefitting far-right parties more than anyone else. Just a few things to keep you awake at night. 41
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 25, 2005, 03:05 PM | # Racial slurs Racial slur? Who uttered a slur on this thread? Could you please identify it? 42
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 25, 2005, 03:17 PM | # Perhaps in your sick minds Yes Comrade Gordon, we are all sick psychos here. Soviet treatment ought to follow. 43
Posted by ben tillman on October 25, 2005, 03:46 PM | # It doesn’t explain how it is helpful for American white nationalists to adopt Hitler as an icon. Would these twins achieve more without the symbols? 44
Posted by ben tillman on October 25, 2005, 03:48 PM | # As it is, they are quite usefully performing the service Martin has identified. 45
Posted by seelow heights on October 25, 2005, 09:14 PM | # June Gordon seems to be quite the expert on the personal life of April Gaede. I’ve never met the woman nor have I made a study of her life, but promiscuity and child abuse are hallmarks of contemporary multicultist America-something that was not the case in the days before the anti-white Jihad began. And how very odd is the idea that the phenomenon of violent video games is the invention of neo-nazis. It might very well be that April Gaede is something of a slut, but if we took away the children of every alleged slut in PeeCee USA we would have to dismantle the private sector and assign the entire labor force to “social service” employment. And how many of them could we trust? 46
Posted by Guest on October 25, 2005, 11:17 PM | # What puzzled me the most was that there was nothing that Lynx and Lamb said that was hateful unless White survival is “hateful”. ABC spent 4 hours at their house, according to the mother, grilling the girls and the ABC woman kept bringing Hitler up, the mother said she told the woman that that was 60 years ago and the children even resented the constant badgering. Oh yes the horror of the ancient symbol, used even by our own American military forces up until the 1930s. Any fans of H. Millard the iconoclast who writes about immigration and other issues? He is a big fan of the swastika, would that make him persona non grata? Whites are so scared, so weak, so pathetic that it will courageous little girls to lead them, if there is any hope whatsoever and there may be none. 47
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 26, 2005, 02:42 AM | # BTW, who was it who said that Adolf Hitler was “a´pleasant chap”? That’s the way the Left argues - by Slander, as it is incapable of logical analysis and incapable of anything other than spouting the same Liberal pieties over and over again. 48
Posted by Tom peters on October 26, 2005, 03:29 AM | # People like June are used to having it so easy. They are not used to arguing because they believe that they are masters and we are the servants. She will never address any arguments here because our racial enemies believe that it is impossible to argue with us - to smash us is the only answer in their minds. We are only allowed to make argumetns which are pre-approved ahead of time. Unfortunetly arguing for our demographic survial isn’t one of the ones approved. What people like June don’t understand is that more and more of us are asking - why isn’t that approved?
you say we are only facing future marginalization. You are wrong. I talk to people today who are much more aware than ten years ago. I can say things in groups today that you would be shocked I say, and in private - I say it all - and I get nods. And yes people agree. White people are starting to realize that they are being suckers and they’re not like it. There is nothing you can do about it - it’s a momentum thing. The twins discussed here aside - the issues are WAY bigger than the far-right Hitler worshipper scene that you want us to slot into. No one cares about Hitler anymore, except maybe as a rhetorical weapon. For example, I think whites today are like the Jews of the 1930’s and non-whites are like the Nazi’s. I can give the average white many example of how that’s so. You think we are being marginalized. Every day I see smart, young white people on the Internet developing self-preservation skills. You are the one who is stuck in the 1930’s. We have to live with Crib Puff Daddy and Latino King Jose down our street. Do you know anything about our concerns? No. But that’s fine - I’ll make sure many more whites know about them. 49
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 26, 2005, 09:48 AM | # “We are only allowed to make arguments which are pre-approved. Unfortunately, arguing for our demographic survival isn’t one of the ones pre-approved. What people like June don’t understand is that more and more of us are asking - why isn’t it approved?” (—Tom Peters) Well, June? Can you answer Tom Peters’ question? Why isn’t white demographic survival approved? And if it’s not approved, I demand to know which race is next on the list of races slated for extinction? Are the Negroes going to be extinguished next? The yellows? The Subcons? The Jews? The Mexicans? Which race is next, June? Please answer Tom’s question and that question. I assume whites aren’t the only ones so targeted ... (or am I wrong in that assumption? ... Answer, please!) Or, let’s put it this way: As do you, I strongly disapprove of what these girls are doing and what’s being done to them by their ignorant, presumably mentally-unbalanced mother—their songs, their T-shirts, their brainwashing, and the rest: it’s nauseating and certainly borders on child abuse. (Which is of course a matter of opinion—there are blatantly prejudiced Jews who, together with mentally-unbalanced Christians, have been spouting off in recent years to the effect that teaching kids to celebrate Christmas is a form of child abuse.) But in my view there is a way to express anti-race-replacement (the fundamental idea these girls’ mother is trying to express by irresponsibly using them as proxies) which is legitimate. In your view, is there a way to express anti-race-replacement that is legitimate? I don’t mean a way to express it such that you agree with it—I know you don’t agree with it no matter how it’s expressed—but merely a way that’s legitimate, the opposite of the way this mother is using her daughters to express it, which I agree is illegitimate? I don’t think there’s any way in which anti-race-replacement can be expressed that you would find legitimate, June—which brings us back, in a way, to Ben Tillman’s comment (scroll up): “Would these twins achieve more without the symbols?” The answer is no, not in the eyes of the opposition, which considers any questioning of white race replacement illegitimate. In other words, June, you’d consider any expression of support for white race survival to be, fundamentally, as illegitimate as what this mother is doing with these girls—am I not right? 50
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on October 26, 2005, 10:52 AM | # I disagree with all this beating up on the mother. We have no evidence that she’s a slut, and while I disapprove of mothers who push their kids into rock/Hollywood stardom, there’s a lot of it about, and when it works it certainly improves the life patterns of all involved. The mother’s just pushing a form of stardom that works towards the ideals she believes in. While I don’t share those ideals, I believe she’s just as legitimate as Britney Spears’ mom was (BS now being of age, no?), indeed considerably more so. 51
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on October 26, 2005, 10:57 AM | # “Considerably more so” because the woman’s motivated partly by her political ideals rather than by sheer $$$. I agree that’s a value judgement, but I think I would hold it whatever the ideals—if Cindy Sheehan had a daughter who she was pushing into rock music, I would also rate her ahead of BS’s mom, at least in that respect. 52
Posted by Guest on October 26, 2005, 12:16 PM | # I believe a black psychologist stated on Hannity and Colmes on Fox, that the mother should be arrested and the children placed in foster homes, good to see aggreement from some on this thread. Some had feared that the commissars had disappeared with the fall of the Berlin Wall. For an interesting analysis of the whole Primetime segment: 53
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 26, 2005, 12:49 PM | # “I believe a black psychologist stated on Hannity and Colmes on Fox, that the mother should be arrested and the children placed in foster homes, good to see aggreement from some on this thread. Some had feared that the commissars had disappeared with the fall of the Berlin Wall.” (—Guest) Guest may be referring to me here, so I’ll respond by repeating that yes, I do think what this mother is doing is sickening and borders on child abuse and no, I do not think her children should be taken away from her or that she should be arrested. There are graver and less grave forms of child abuse, some of the less-grave forms perhaps better referred to as “child-rearing methods that are badly mistaken” instead of “abuse.” The mother of Jon Benet Ramsay, for example (whom I view as a complete bimbo at best and who I suspect is the killer, by the way), was committing a form of child abuse in pushing Jon Benet into that unbelievably sick toddler-and-very-young child-beauty-pageant world but I certainly don’t think the child should have been taken away from her or she arrested. There are nuances about the issue of forced race-replacement which a child can’t grasp—mainly those having to do with what our attitude should be toward the non-whites the other side is in the process of deliberately replacing us with (but there are others as well). It’s sort of similar to how a child can’t grasp sex-related topics. It’s a subject for grown-ups, not children. If adults want to do what these twins are doing, fine—but don’t push children into something they can’t comprehend, something they’ll get wrong in important ways and which risks leaving them with twisted minds. Forced race-replacement, the current deliberate, premeditated attempt at genocide of the white race, and the whole question of the legitimate preservation of the white race are difficult subjects to see clearly and get right. 54
Posted by ben tillman on October 26, 2005, 01:37 PM | # White people are starting to realize that they are being suckers and they [don’t] like it. Yes, if one observes the rules that others observe, one is a morally good person. If one oberves rules that others break with impunity, he is no longer a good person but a sucker. In American English, that is exactly the right word. 55
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 26, 2005, 02:04 PM | # I disagree with all this beating up on the mother. We have no evidence that she’s a slut - Martin H Martin, That’s just typical Left-wing slander. In the same way that we uttered “racial slurs”, are Swastika wielding Hitler-worshipping Nazis etc etc etc. That is the Left of today - its edifice is built on lies and slander. I don’t for a minute believe anything this vile woman said about the mother of those two girls. I believe the mother is misguided and foolish. But a slut no. I remember reading a review of the Bell Curve on Amazon and remember one Liberal referring to Charles Murray as a Klansman - that he liked burning crosses at Night. That’s the level of intellectual argument you get from the Left these days. The Left is beyond redemption. It represents the sickest elements of our society. 56
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 26, 2005, 02:09 PM | # I should also add: it is nothing short of amusing seeing a Leftie troll accuse a woman of being a “slut”. Isn’t that what Woodstock all about - women abandoning traditional morality and copulating with as many men as they wished (“liberation”)? Of course, the Left will call someone a slut or a psycho one minute and then elevate a real slut or a psycho to hero status the next. That’s the Left for you. I am glad this woman decided to post on our blog. Every single comment by her reeks of vile slander that is the hall mark of the Left. For those who are uninitated in the tactics of the vile Left, “The Politics of Bad Faith” and “Hating Whitey” are an education. 57
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on October 26, 2005, 04:02 PM | # Wasn’t just the troll lady; Fred said what she was doing “borders on child abuse.” Only if Britney’s mom borders on child abuse does it do so, in my view. This woman is exploiting her children, like Britney’s mom, by trying to make them pop stars, but for ideological reasons as well as $$$. The girls may well rebel in future years, and denounce their mother, (as could and have other pop star kids) but as the father of a 13 year old boy myself I see nothing wrong in trying to make sure your own ideals are reflected in your kids’ rather than those of some damn school system. Beats the two career family with the kids brought up by the maid, IMHO. 58
Posted by June Gordon on October 26, 2005, 07:41 PM | # “Why isn’t white demographic survival approved?” Aha! That gets to the gist of your pathological thinking, Not Ready Freddy. Your core obsession is that the white ‘race’ somehow matters more than any other. It doesn’t. Our concern should be that the human race survive. The superficial differences don’t matter. Drop the foolish belief in white supremacy you live for and you can end your sad sack existence and start to enjoy living your life for a change. I was talking to some teens and tweens yesterday. Girls. Their favorite television show is ‘That’s So Raven.” Kids are crazy about her clothing line, too. It’s a top seller in junior departments. When I asked about twin performers, they brought up Tia and and Tamara Mowery. Singers? Ciara, Gwen Stefani and Amarie. (Two who are Canadian are FeFe Dobson fans.) They also like Black Eyed Peas. The conversation pretty much confirmed what I thought. Kids are not interested in anything as bizarre as Prussian Blue. Nor are they focused on the ‘race’ of performers. You fellows should actually talk to people who do not share your hateful obsession sometimes. Then, you might get in touch with reality. 59
Posted by June Gordon on October 26, 2005, 08:06 PM | # Poor Martin. He works himself into almost as much of a lather for no good reason as Phil Peterson, who must be covered in soap. So, I’m going to answer his question. April Gaede’s reputation is common knowledge at National Alliance, offshoot National Vanguard and other racist groups. She’s been involved in white supremacist organizations for years as a groupie. As is the tendency of you people, other white supremacists have been a major source of information about Gaede. Since she is so unpopular with other women in the movement, there’s plenty. Another source is court records. Her domestic abuse troubles, divorces and general effed-upness is documented. If you want to learn more about Gaede, drop by the SPLC’s site or the Prussian Blue watch blog, run by neighbors of hers who keep really good tabs on what she’s up to. Those of us who monitor hate groups have known about Gaede for a while. Fred seems to ‘get’ Gaede. Heed him. Fellow white supremacist or not, she isn’t someone you want to give your seal of approval, Martin. 60
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on October 26, 2005, 08:13 PM | # I don’t approve of her and I’m not a white supremacist. I merely defend as a metter of principle her right to freedom of speech and belief. You will forgive me for remarking, also, that you can hardly be considered a reliable witness as to her moral character, which in any case is really none of our business. 61
Posted by Freddy on October 26, 2005, 09:28 PM | # Now what _exactly_ do you mean by the phrase “white supremacist” June? Please, do tell. How does wanting one’s OWN race merely to survive equate to the desire to dominate other races? 62
Posted by June Gordon on October 26, 2005, 11:15 PM | # Still Not Ready Freddy, the phrase “white supremacist” is easily defined. It means someone who believes people of all European descent are ‘better’ than other people. Obviously, you are a white supremacist. (And, of course, a racist.) Seems to me that a person who embraces the viewpoint has no reason to be offended when he is called what he is. As for the second part of your query, placing a higher value on one ‘race’ is the very essence of racism. As I said before, people should want the human race to survive. If I were to have the opportunity to spiritually ‘visit’ the Earth a 100 years after I died, or 500, I would want to see the human race still here and behaving better than it does now. I would not care what color the people are, the slant of their eyes or the texture of their hair. It doesn’t matter. We’re all one species. 63
Posted by Manfred (Freddy) on October 27, 2005, 12:15 AM | # I’m not Fred Scrooby. Species & race are not synonyms. There is no such thing as “THE human race,” assuming that one is using the word race in a precise and scientifically correct way. Maybe you should look up words such as species, sub-species, race, breed, sport in the encyclopedia or dictionary, June. Actually, by your definition I am not a white supremacist (though I certainly am a racialist). I don’t think whites are some kind of all-superior Herrenvolk at all. I just want my people to survive. 64
Posted by seelow heights on October 27, 2005, 01:30 AM | # June Gordon seems like the perfect person to send on a peace mission to Birmingham. She can preach to the Pakistanis and blacks how they need to get along because of their essential sameness. 65
Posted by Tom Peters on October 27, 2005, 01:56 AM | # “It doesn’t. Our concern should be that the human race survive. The superficial differences don’t matter.” Yes, but of course. Let me point out something: What have have I learned from this unfortunate episode? And why do I like to use this as an example to others? Maybe sometime people just don’t know what they are talking about, maybe sometime they just plain old lie. I prefer to show how ideological rhetorical devices are used to gain power and then to ‘smash’ their targets (local populations). I make it a point for people to never forget the tens of millions of Eastern Europeans who died because of their delusions at the hands of their sweet talking masters. Let’s zip ahead to early 21st century. We have another cult trying to hijack a European society. This time it’s Western Europe. Our masters (some of whom are descented from the aforemetioned Russian counterparts) now have more tales for us. Instead of ‘brotherhood’ they use ‘diversity’ as their motto. If it wasn’t tragical it would be comical. How can you possibly argue against their non-racial paradise/utopia view of the world? How could anyone argue against a communist utopia? That is the challange we face. Everyone on this website understands these tricks and deceptions - but the common person has no idea - or very little. They don’t understand how a person who is pushing ultra-liberalism in North America can be a ultra-nationalist in the Middle East. That’s where we come in and point out the obvious. Because in the end a common person understand at their core when they are being swindled. We need to form the language and arguments that make this transformation in the common person possible. We are a new intellectual movement that is born of our survival instincts. Remember that just 150 years the notions of regular European nationalism seemed silly to most expect small groups of ‘backward’ intellectuals. Some of us are now pushing a new concept - beyond regular nationalism - white nationalism. The survival of our people depends on it -irregardless of what the commissars like June say about it. I am not sure why June - the commissar - posts here. Maybe it amuses here. Maybe she gets a rush out of it. She must realize that she cannot change anyone’s mind on this website. Some commissars don’t understand that some Euros are immune to their fairy-tales. They are just like that - they see through the rhetorical devices and there is nothing the commissar can do. That’s where the Gulag used to come in. In today’s age the commissar cannot do anything (yet), but they try anyway, being ever so diligent. Hey, maybe June is a hidden WN who is trying to improve your rhetorical skills. Maybe she is trying to work on her own propaganda skills in the enemy’s ideological ‘nest’. Most likely though she just wants to ‘monitor’ you - because that’s what good commissars do. You have been bad boys, stepping out of line - how dare you - don’t you know the party line yet? Don’t you know what commissars do when you cross the line? Just ask the Russians. Ok, in the USA and Europe they just write your name down somewhere, and they make plans. No one said it was going to be easy - but then again we all know that. 66
Posted by Guest on October 27, 2005, 09:11 AM | # Our race has been under attack, by design and it is documented here: I find it quite amusing that if Whites so much as make a little squeak regarding their dispossession it is “hate”. In fact My organization, the National Alliance, attempts to fight alienation among our people in many ways. For example, we distribute a sticker showing the simple message, “Earth’s most endangered species: the White race. Help preserve it.” That’s all. No mention of any other race. Nothing even remotely “hateful.” And yet every time these stickers of ours are mentioned by the controlled news media they are called “hate propaganda.” Really: “hate propaganda.” Now, that is deliberate. This simple message calling on our people to be concerned about the preservation of our race always elicits a hysterical reaction from the controlled news media. The media bosses are afraid of our racial consciousness. They are terrified that we may feel responsible for our race. They are desperate to stamp out any feeling of rootedness or identity. That’s why they always respond to our simple, inoffensive message with their favorite scare-word: hate, hate, hate. And that’s a collective response. It’s not based on the decision of any single, individual media boss. They have gotten together and formulated a strategy to advance their collective interests. And that is why they’re winning their war against us now. 67
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 27, 2005, 10:20 AM | # “Your core obsession is that the white ‘race’ somehow matters more than any other.” (—June) Could that be because the white race is under genocidal attack, by any chance? Nah ... couldn’t be! Impossible! June, we wish other races well and oppose their genocide as we oppose our own (so please stop aiding and abetting our genocide, June!). But we oppose our own most strenuously of all, not because we’re mean but simply the way someone who opposes murder opposes his own most strenuously of all. “Our concern should be that the human race survive.” We agree, with the proviso that the white race to remain intact, whichever others survive along with it. If the human race survive without the white race, what race or races or mixtures will it consist of? Yellows mainly? Subcons? Negroes? Hispanics? Likely all of the above, I imagine, the way things are going. But if all that mattered were that the human race survive, irrespective of what race(s) the remnant consisted of, how about making the portion of it that dies out one of the other races, instead of the white one? Would that be OK, June? For example, instead of a world consisting of, say, yellows, Negroes, Subcons, Hispanics, and so on, but no more whites, how about one consisting of, say, whites, yellows, Negroes, Subcons, and so on, but no more Hispanics? Or, say, whites Hispanics, Subcons, Negroes, and so on, but no more yellows? Or how about, say, whites, yellows, Hispanics, Subcons, and so on, but no more Negroes? If all that matters is that the human race survive, not which individual races make up the remnant, wouldn’t any of the above alternatives be acceptable? I don’t see why not ... so, can we please have one where the whites are included in the remnant and the one that dies out is one of the other ones? If you wouldn’t mind, that is, June ... Much obliged! “The superficial differences don’t matter.” They matter to us (and the fact that you’d refuse to move permanently to South Africa or Rhodesia proves all by itself that they aren’t so “superficial”). “Drop the foolish belief in white supremacy” We don’t harbor such a belief. Can a person oppose his own murder only if he believes he is superior to everyone, or can he simply say he wants to live? We think all races have the right not to undergo forced race-replacement. “the phrase ‘white supremacist’ is easily defined. It means someone who believes people of all European descent are ‘better’ than other people.” But that’s not really how your side is defining “white supremacist.” You’re defining it as someone who objects to the white race getting forcibly race-replaced. If a white person questions race-replacement of white people he’s a “white supremacist,” according to you, no matter where he “ranks” caucasians on the “race quality scale.” Will you admit that whites who question forced race-replacement of whites are doing something perfectly legitimate, June? Or do they have no right to question that, any who do proving thereby their white supremacist attitudes? If the latter, the next question obviously is, what race is slated next for race-replacement? Because surely whites can’t be the only ones on the list for extermination. Do Negroes go next? Yellows? Hispanics? Jews? Who’s next in line? We know one thing in advance: whichever race is next in line for replacement, if any of its members question its being targeted those individuals prove thereby their “supremacist” attitudes in regard to their own race and deserve no sympathy. If Negroes protest they must be Negro supremacists, if Jews, Jewish supremacists, if Mexicans, Mexican supremacists, and so on. We know that, because that’s exactly your reasoning vis-à-vis whites who question forced white race-replacement. At bottom, the “white supremacist” charge is an instance of begging the question: there are people who want to rid the world of the white race for various illegitimate reasons and use the white supremacist label/libel to imply whites are mean, so should be eased out of existence (there are plenty of Jews who are Jewish supremacists in the sense of thinking Jews are better than other groups, and simply liking them better—does that mean the Jews should be eased out of existence?; ditto plenty of yellows, and so on) or that white supremacism is the only justification being advanced in opposition to race-replacement while in reality the justification for such opposition doesn’t rest whatsoever with white supremacism. (cont’d) 68
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 27, 2005, 10:22 AM | # “As for the second part of your query, placing a higher value on one ‘race’ is the very essence of racism. As I said before, people should want the human race to survive.” (—June) So, Negroes, Jews, Chinamen, Subcons, and members of every race in the world who don’t want their race to be extinguished must be racists? None wants to see their own race extinguished. “If I were to have the opportunity to spiritually ‘visit’ the Earth a 100 years after I died, or 500, I would want to see the human race still here and behaving better than it does now. I would not care what color the people are, the slant of their eyes or the texture of their hair. It doesn’t matter. We’re all one species.” Banishing you to Johannesburg would change your mind on that in about five minutes. Or maybe not—there have been several white bimbos gang-raped in the new, improved South Africa who still can’t figure out any racial factor in what happened to them—either that, or they blame whites somehow. So no, I was wrong—but you ought to be banished to South Africa anyway. Permanently. Stew in your own juice a while. “If you want to learn more about Gaede, drop by the SPLC’s site” But the SPLC is a notorious hate-group. Why would we want to consult that? They hate whites and want them extinguished exactly as Hitler wanted done to the Jews though they’re forced to put up with a slower, less messy version of it. Why in the world are you, June, who claim to be anti-hate, recommending a known hate group to us like that? I’ll assume that was some kind of typo ... June, let me ask you something—would the world be better without the white race? Answer, please? You’ve called us racists, and I want to see to what extent the one who’s a racist around here is actually you yourself. We here wish no race’s forced race-replacement, while I suspect you passionately wish the race-replacement of one race in particular, which is why you become so psychotic when you see members of that race innocently resisting what you and your friends have in store for it ... 69
Posted by Guest on October 27, 2005, 11:00 AM | # “The truth is that Mozart, Pascal, Boolean algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Marx, Balanchine ballet et al., don’t redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world. The white race is the cancer of human history. It is the white race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself” If one thinks the late, honored, Ms Sontag is somehow unrepresentative of the Jewish view of the White race then I urge the reader to go the article at the amren.com link given above for the review of The Culture of Critique. 70
Posted by JB on October 28, 2005, 02:27 AM | # June Gordon: White kids in public schools are submitted to all kind of promiscuity and abuse all year long, even those filled with whites. Most come out of those with A) no goals besides their petty desires B) no intellectual curiosity and no basis from which to examine the world C) destructive trends they caught from their friends, i.e. being a wigger and looking up to blacks as some kind of model or authority. Too many white kids these days are sick and they caught diseases that April’s kids are fortunately immuned to. 71
Posted by JB on October 28, 2005, 02:29 AM | # Phil Peterson: I did, I said n-gger. I meant n-gga, sorry. 72
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 28, 2005, 09:20 AM | # JB at 6:27 makes an excellent point I hadn’t thought of! Good thinking, JB! 73
Posted by Guessedworker on October 28, 2005, 12:41 PM | # You see, June, how useful you are! An invigorating thread with many constructive contributions. Tom Peters especially ... and Fred, far too logical for our anti-white humanity-racist, I suspect. 74
Posted by Guest on October 28, 2005, 02:21 PM | # Apparently the call for taking April’s children from her is gaining steam. James Buchanan writes today about MSNBC’s Scarborough Country host former Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough repeatedly asked the question “Should they be taken away from their parents?” 75
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 28, 2005, 05:49 PM | # “the call for taking April’s children from her” (—Guest) There is absolutely not the remotest justification whatsoever for taking her children away from her. Yes, I called the way she’s raising the girls “bordering on child abuse” but I wasn’t referring to the sort of abuse that ought to result in the state’s taking kids away from mothers. I was talking about the sort of figuratively-termed “child abuse” that refers to extremely unwise child-rearing methods wherein whatever “abuse” that takes place is admittedly a matter of opinion depending on who’s judging the situation. While I am certain not a single blogger at MR.com and not one regular or semi-regular commenter here would for an instant allow his kids or kids in his charge (nephews, nieces, etc.) to parade around laughing and giggling in Hitler T-shirts any more than he’d permit them to parade around laughing and giggling in Stalin, Pol Pot, or Castro T-shirts, I am just as certain not a blogger or commenter here could imagine in his wildest dreams a justification for taking these girls away from their mother and putting them in foster care. I don’t see a shred of justification here for even thinking of taking these girls away. On the other hand, I have little doubt this mother is not giving these kids a, shall we say, well-rounded home-schooling education. (But it’s not this mother’s fault whites exactly like June Gordon have so destroyed the public schools in this country that parents have been driven to keep their kids out of them and do the job themselves at home, as best they can.) 76
Posted by Guest on October 28, 2005, 08:34 PM | # Fred, As I type Belgian revisionist Siegfried Verbeke is being held in Holland awaiting deportation to Germany to face prison for “Holocaust denial”. He was arrested in Holland as he and his filipina wife were attempting to board a flight to the Germar Rudolph is being held at some undisclosed Federal location, he was arrested a week ago as he went, with his wife, for a routine INS, Immigration and Naturalization Service, review of his marriage to an American woman. He will be deported to Germany to face prison for “Holocaust Denial”. Earlier this year Ernst Zundel was arrested during a raid on his Tennessee farm house that he and his American wife had. He was whisked off to Canada where he was tried under the new Terrorism laws. He was not able to face his accusers nor could he see the evidence against him. He is a frail, ill, old man. They deported him on a charter jet in the middle of the night so his wife and attorney could not say goodbye to him. He currently sits in a fortress prison in Germany awaiting trial for “Holocaust Denial”. This is what is going on but everybody express OUTRAGE over April Gaede telling her children about things like this. The smart thing to do in America and Britain and Australia is to play their game sell your blood for money, power, acquistion, prestige. Why look for trouble. Yet some Whites, they think that is not an honorable lifestyle so they look into things and sometimes they speak out and try to tell the truth. Australia ruled in a court case regarding the Holocaust during a revisionist’s trial that, That’s the real world Fred, if you stay safe and never really challenge the juggernaut that is destroying the White race, on purpose, see MacDonald, then you wont’ get into trouble. That is probably the wisest course, be shrewd, save yourself, the hell with Whitey, just enjoy the electric circus. 77
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 28, 2005, 11:02 PM | # Guest, I am on the side of all who consider the criminalization of Holocaust denial an outrage and I consider the only possible position for someone to take on the Holocaust who lives in Germany, Canada, or another country where Holocaust-denial is outlawed is Holocaust agnosticism or Holocaust denial, until the Holocaust-denial side is allowed out of jail to express itself—after which citizens of those countries can decide which view they hold, afer having heard all sides. This is a no-brainer. If a country puts critics of Darwin’s theory of evolution into jail and forbids publication and sale of their writings its citizens can’t possibly accept Darwin’s theory, but must either be agnostic in regard to it or critics of it, pending its academic critics’ being let out of jail to express their views, whereupon the country’s people can begin to formulate their own views, once they’ve been allowed to hear both sides. This is such elementary truth, so simple, so obvious to everyone on earth from the most ignorant human being to the most learned, that it’s impossible to comprehend why the Jews of Europe and elsewhere are using their money, influence, and moral blackmail to get these ridiculous laws passed in blatant violation of the people’s free-speech rights and of common sense. It’s widely believed in parts of the world that Americans never landed on the moon but cleverly faked the whole thing using a Hollywood sound stage, special props, and trick photography. How do we know that view is wrong? Only one way: it’s allowed to be expressed. If those holding it began to get thrown in jail for it we’d have to start agreeing with them that maybe the whole thing was actually cleverly faked on a Hollywood sound stage. There’s one way and only one to know anything (including that the Holocaust happened) and that is to let people deny it. If you don’t let people deny something you can’t know if it’s true. Among Jews there seems to be a large, powerful segment who are totalitarians. They may feel they have reason to be, out of self-defense. The fact remains they are out there and must be taken into account. 78
Posted by nazi hater on January 04, 2006, 08:14 PM | # I think these two girls have been raised very innapropriately parents that present these teachings to their young ones she not be allowed to be parents. The only message they are getting through to their kids is hate. These girls will grow up and everyone will spit in THERE faces and cuss at them. They are living in the present, the better, the equalized living properties times. These girls should not be given any attention for their foolish behavior! Someone will end up hurt if they don’t stop protesting and presenting all this nazi crap! 79
Posted by Sam on January 05, 2006, 07:01 AM | # hey… “THE TRUTH IS NO DEFENCE” no shit… “yes your honour… i shot him in the head”... “yes your honour i robbed the bank”.... both these statements are the “TRUTH” neither of them is a DEFENCE!.... your concept of the law and how it opperates is mind boggling…. perhaps the law you speak about IS unjust on some levels (however minute those levels might be), however they (the laws) provide far greater advantages to the community as a whole than letting people run around forever calling the kettle blacker than the pot…. which is exactly what you get when everyone hates everone else for no good reason…. i think part of the problem that white seperatists face is that they come from a culture steeped in the desire to explore and expand their knowledge base.. The unfortunate consecuence of this expansion has been the subjectation of a vast array of peoples and cultures across the globe… WHITE europeans have effectivly created a mono-culture in which they now find themselves stuck… Yay for ripping the guts out of the third world and exploiting their labour… But how to balance out the consequences of such rapid expansion… I mean its a bit tough to put on all those people that “well yes we destroyed your culture, your way of living, your farming practices, yeah sure we brought you influenza and small pox… but hey now that we realise that we want our OWN way of life back you’ll just have to go back to where ever we brought your from in the first place….” I mean seriously?? im beginning to see wher some of you are comming from… and on a shallow simplistic reading of the world your analysis of the interactions that occur on a daily basis you probably have a point or two… But you fail to acknowlede that YOU and your society and your culture are as much a part of the problem as anyone… If you live in America YOU are an imigrant, poluting someone elses country and their way of life… same goes for Canada, Australia, New Zeland ect… But i have found a solution… All whites who want their own society free of Blacks/hispanics/indiegnous peoples/arabs ect are more than welcome buy an island somewhere and start afresh…. not sure whos gonna wash your cloths and cook your meals or pump your gass or fix your cars.. but hey.. at least you’ll be happy .... Right? 80
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 05, 2006, 08:07 AM | # Save your breath, Sam. And while you’re at it, we’re going to save ours: I for one am through replying to your know-nothing drivel and genocidal filth. People here understand you’re no different from Simon and June Gordon. 81
Posted by Sam on January 06, 2006, 12:16 AM | # Yeah yeah.. you said that last time.. and guess what fred?? you just replied.. so i guess that would make you a liar wouldn’t it??? the amount of silence from my post indicates that there are some VERY uncomfortable realities staring lots of you in the face that you can neither acknowledge or face… grow up kiddies… and stop talking in circles.. take a peek at reality one day.. you never know.. you might just learn something…. LOL 82
Posted by AD on January 06, 2006, 03:08 AM | # If you live in America YOU are an imigrant, poluting someone elses country and their way of life… same goes for Canada, Australia, New Zeland ect… I don’t know about the other nations, but the Australian state was created in 1901 by the descendents of a Germano-Celtic people who had already been on the continent for over a century. It existed wholly independent of the hundreds of Aboriginal countries on the continent. The ‘Australians’(aka whites) did not use any of the infrastructure or societal benefits built up by the various Koori(Aboriginal) nations. The Australians who existed at the time of the white nations birth could hardly be considered ‘immigrants’ in the same sense that those who come to ‘Australia’ now are, taking full advantage of the infrastructure and societal benefits. If the Australians are immigrants to the continent, then so are the Koori. However, the Australian state, that non-white immigrants now come to, is the white-built society within the continent, not the Aboriginal tribal zones. We don’t get too many Arabs moving to Palm Island for some reason. But i have found a solution… All whites who want their own society free of Blacks/hispanics/indiegnous peoples/arabs ect are more than welcome buy an island somewhere and start afresh…. not sure whos gonna wash your cloths and cook your meals or pump your gass or fix your cars.. but hey.. at least you’ll be happy .... Right? Probably the same people who have done all those chores for millenia(besides the gas pumping).30 years of ‘diversity’ doesn’t even rate on the scale. That’s a very low brow argument. Anyway, we’ve set up islands, nations and everything in between….no matter where we go, they inevitably try and follow us(usually guilting us into accepting them as you are trying to do). We survived fine washing our own clothes, cooking our own meals and fixing our own cars under the White Australia Policy. In fact, at the time Australia(with NZ second) was the richest per-capita nation in the world. Now the country has gone to hell via multiculturalism. Things were better back then. Most people want it back. The White Australia Policy was the basis with which the nation was formed in 1901. It is as much of a birthright to Australians as the Tribal countries are to the Koori. So as for ‘buying an island somewhere’, we already did….how many instances do you need of it? If we went to another planet they’d follow us, probably claiming that we have an obligation because the Chinese invented gun powder or something. Regarding your points about ‘white obligation to surrender sovereignty’ because our ancestors ‘ripped the guts out of the third world’: For every perceived act of barbarity by Europeans, there are an equal number of barbaric acts by non-Europeans. In America alone, more white people have been killed by blacks since the 1960s than died in the whole Vietnam conflict. Whatever ‘whitey’ did wrong in the past has been bypassed by non-whites in our homelands in the past 30 years alone. The number of rapes, murders and assaults run into the millions. To suggest that we have to put up with multiculturhell because of perceived historical ‘injustices’ is ludicrous. In the end, however, the outcome won’t be determined by moral issues or debates. If a people get pushed too far, regardless of colour or historical imperative, they will lash out. The injuns tried to fight off the pioneers like the European Christians tried to fight off the invading Muslims. Put two or more peoples close enough to the same patch of dirt, they’re going to fight for it….usually without discussions about whether one side should lay down arms because England once occupied India. Nothing you(or i) say can change what nature dictates as inevitable. Peace in multicultural societies(which is an oxymoron as a society is a culture) either comes through some kind of mass assimilation or mass war. There are certainly a number of current white majority countries where i think whitey has zero chance…. where the formerly great nations are well on their way to becoming the next South Africa/Zimbabwe/Paris suburbs/Detroit/SouthWest US etc. If there is any historical correction(like the one you’re gunning for) it will most likely be whites moving from decaying/former majority nations to white strongholds. As long as people like you and your descendents stay in the mess you created, things will work out fine for me and my descendents. Win/win. Now go and enjoy your diversity instead of spending your free time debating with people so ‘crazy’ and ‘out of touch’ like us. I assume you don’t go to websites and debate with the mentally ill over moral issues. I hope this response was long enough to satisfy you, i dedicated 12 minutes of my time to save other, more intelligent contributors here the hassle. In case you didn’t realise, this thread is from October last year, which is probably more the reason why no one responded to you….rather than your assertion that we’re ‘VERY uncomfortable’ by your clever post-ironic wit and ‘LOLs’. Go to the newer threads and write something above 5th grade level on a serious topic if you want someone better than me responding. 83
Posted by teen nazihater 2 on January 06, 2006, 04:01 AM | # I think these two girls have been raised very innapropriately parents that present these teachings to their young ones she not be allowed to be parents. The only message they are getting through to their kids is hate. These girls will grow up and everyone will spit in THERE faces and cuss at them. They are living in the present, the better, the equalized living properties times. These girls should not be given any attention for their foolish behavior! Someone will end up hurt if they don’t stop protesting and presenting all this nazi crap! - nazihater
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Posted by sam on January 06, 2006, 05:26 AM | # Ad, i never called anyone “crazy”, see thats the problem with the lunar far right… They always have to make stuff up to prove their point… oh and just quietly i only commented on this thread because it was at the top of the ‘most recent comment’ list when i last logged on…. well if you believe in fate thats your business.. but personally i tend to think that as people see the world so the world becomes…. but if you wanna hang it all on fates door step thats your choice.. we shall see who ends up with what they want… wont we… thabnk you for your 12 minutes.. they were enlightening… 85
Posted by Antonio on April 17, 2006, 11:55 AM | # Ok,if that what the twins want.But don’t to be just like hypocrites white when they reach 18,they love niggers cock.I ‘m not suprise they love nigger cocks when they turn 18. 86
Posted by Phil Peterson on April 17, 2006, 12:29 PM | # Antonio, What language is that little comment of yours in? I can’t make head or tail of what you are trying to say. Some good grammer and comprehension is in order. 87
Posted by Alex Zeka on April 17, 2006, 01:30 PM | # And wouldn’t it be just wonderful if they abandoned their singing careers for a mess of nigger cock? Eh, Antonio? 88
Posted by Alex Zeka on April 17, 2006, 01:57 PM | # sam, your comments make very little grammatical sense. Try learning how to write. Still, I’ll address the faintly coherent parts.
I’d probably agree that the treatment meted out to the natives was appalling. However, illegally? Would it, in your opinion, still have been illegal had land been purchased from the natives?
Oh, I’ve never made anything up on this site. That’s the problem with the Culturally Marxist left, they have to make things up to prove their point… [etc, etc]
Nobody here believes in fate: however, it should be clear enough that actions have consequences, and hence that engaging in certain activites will catapult you to certain results. Actually, if anyone can be said to believe in fate, its “anti-racist” left, with its talk of multiracialism being inevitable.
An absurd belief. The world is affected not by our thoughts but by our actions. Only children and ostriches believe that they can make the grim realities of life go away by ignoring them.
If we are defeated, then we indeed shan’t get what we want. Oh, if I may explain the “truth is no defence” business to you. By saying that “the truth should be a defence”, we do not mean that a criminal should be able to escape punishment by owning up to it. Rather, if you are prosecuted for saying something, one of the defences usually available to you is that what you said was the truth. Moreover, everyone should be innocent until proven guilty. Both of these are well established judicial principles. As such, if you wish to prosecute me for making some statement about blacks, the onus should be on you to prove that such a thing could not possible be thought about them. If you prove that what I said was a libel, I would be guilty. However, such a proof has not yet been delivered. Indeed, N. Griffin was prosecuted under hate laws for predicting that Muslims would launch a suicide attack in London: now an indibutable statement. I sincerely hope you come back. Next entry: Into the Dust Previous entry: The evolution of civilization |
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OMG i know gurl! how dare these two teenage girlz threaten the equalized living properties times?!?!. They must be unejucated@@ 
.Someones gonna get hurt allright, or at least make a documentry!!!!!!. Why hasnt no one called teh cops?!?!?! I heard 2 dat the mother teached them sum unapproriate langages like GERMAN!!?! OMG NAZI HATE CRIMINELS U SHUD LISTEN TO TUPAC INSTEAD U RACISSTS!!! wtf iz tha world cummin 2??lolz 
@ white trashsers why dun u get wif teh times?? 
maybee listen to jerry springers thoughts of da day to enligten u away from th world of hate!
Posted by Tournament of Champions on October 24, 2005, 01:11 AM | #
To me:
Nazi = German Nationalist + sociobiology
Nationalist + sociobiology = enlightened
Gaede = German surname
enlightened Gaedes = German Nationalists = Nazis