France Braces for 13th Night of Violence

Posted by Phil on November 08, 2005, 05:51 PM | #

“The intensity of this violence is on the way down,” National Police Chief Michel Gaudin said, citing fewer attacks on public buildings and fewer direct clashes between youths and police. He said rioting was reported in 226 towns across France, compared with nearly 300 the night before.

Oh, its only 226 towns? Wonderful. We can all get back to the multicultural fest again.

Posted by Martin Hutchinson on November 08, 2005, 06:10 PM | #

It would actually be surprising if this didn’t die down fairly soon, as there is nowhere for it to go in the short term.  The only thing that could perpetuate it would be an abdication by the French authorities, and that doesn’t seem about to happen.  Obviously in the long run, if present policies continue, it will get more serious.

I would expect a sharp boost in support for Le Pen and his ilk in the next French elections, particularly if this is repeated at some time between now and then, as it may well be.

Posted by mido on November 08, 2005, 06:19 PM | #

“. . . the unrest, which has involved poor whites as well as French-born citizens of Arab or African origin complaining of racism and unemployment.”

(Reuters)

Posted by Al Ross on November 08, 2005, 06:33 PM | #

Non-White failure is almost always blamed on White racism. Were France’s rioters White, the media would be howling at them because they(the rioters) are Caucasians like us, and therefore ought to know better.The disgusting behaviour of the Arab and African culprits is not subject to the same volume of admonition because they, poor things, dont know any better. Now that may qualify as racism.

Posted by James Bowery on November 08, 2005, 07:02 PM | #

mido, how many whites and how many French-born citizens of Arab or African origin?

Posted by Phil on November 08, 2005, 07:14 PM | #

Martin,

Yes that’s a no-brainer. And quite frankly, Le Pen stands out like a man of integrity in French politics compared to slimeballs like Chirac.

However, yestereday I had an idea about Sarkozy. It is radical and perhaps our commenters may have something to say about it.

Sarkozy is the French version of a Neo-con. He is esentially pro-immigrant but given the level of discomfort the French feel about immigrants, he tosses in a lot of hard-right rhetoric. The objective of this exercise is to cut into the Le Pen vote.

I have absolutely no doubt about this any more. Sarkozy is the French establishment’s response to the increase in Le Pen’s share of the vote in 2002. And everything Sarkozy has done indicates that he will succeed in fooling some French voters who may otherwise have considered voting for Le Pen.

The best scenario from a Le Pen supporter’s perspective would be for Sarkozy to lose out to the smarmy Villepin (I have yet to encounter a politican so vain - and by French standards that’s saying something!). That would pit Villepin against Le Pen which constitutes a much more accurate respresentation of the opinions of the establishment and the anti-establishment.

However, Sarkozy versus Le Pen will be a phony battle because Sarkozy throws in a lot of tough talk which is basically codswallop. In the fundamental sense Sarkozy, Chirac and Villepin are cut from the same cloth as far as I am concerned.

Posted by Phil on November 08, 2005, 07:15 PM | #

“. . . the unrest, which has involved poor whites as well as French-born citizens of Arab or African origin complaining of racism and unemployment.”

Before you read a story from the MSM on the French riots, get a bucket of salt and then start reading.

Posted by Phil on November 08, 2005, 07:16 PM | #

Were France’s rioters White, the media would be howling at them because they(the rioters) are Caucasians like us, and therefore ought to know better.

Unless the rioters are Left-wing loonies as in 1968. Then they become heroes in the name of “justice”.

Posted by PCA on November 08, 2005, 08:28 PM | #

“. . . the unrest, which has involved poor whites as well as French-born citizens of Arab or African origin complaining of racism and unemployment.”

That must explain the following by Robert Spencer:

‘• The rioters have been shouting the jihad battle cry, “Allahu akbar.” As Muhammad Atta wrote in his final exhortation to himself, “When the confrontation begins, strike like champions who do not want to go back to this world. Shout, ‘Allahu Akbar,’ because this strikes fear in the hearts of the non-believers.” While the mainstream media continues to identify the rioters as “French-born youths of Arab or African origin, many of them Muslim,” in fact the Islamic identity of the rioters is quite clear: rioters have avoided Muslim-owned businesses, preferring obviously non-Muslim targets.

• The rioters have thrown Molotov cocktails at two French synagogues, making it likely that they subscribe to the deeply rooted hatred of Jews that so many jihadists share. They have also set two churches on fire, further reinforcing the impression that they view their struggle as fundamentally religious, and consider the terrorizing of Jews and Christians’

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20107

Mido, do really believe that young white ‘bolos’ are behind even a small percentage of the destruction or are worried what people might think if they know the truth (as you know ‘ordinary’ people can’t handle the truth).

Remember, the attacks on peacefully protesting ‘bolos’. These would be the same people, non.

Take the time to refresh your memory of the incident here - http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=58&story_id=18059&name=Union+escort+for+protesting+Paris+students

Posted by Tom Peters on November 08, 2005, 08:32 PM | #

Phil,
“That would pit Villepin against Le Pen which constitutes a much more accurate respresentation of the opinions of the establishment and the anti-establishment.”

I agree 100%.  Excellent comment by the way.  What I’ve been struggling to come to terms with is how the anti-white (or anti-majority if you will) forces have come to such domination in western establishments.  Why is that any politician (ex. Le Pen) who proposes any realistic solutions to the demographic problem is instantly branded as an outcast?  I was struck by the following quote in KM article yesterday when he was talking about what drove the communist revolutionaries:

“a fear and hatred of peasants, hostility toward the Czarist upper class, and a very negative attitude toward Christianity.”

Sub-in white trash for peasants, WASP for Czarist upper class (keep Christinaity in place) and you get the ‘respectable’American elite outlook today.  I’ll bet in almost every Western country you get the same thing with different terms in the above quote when you talk about what fuels our ‘elites’.

How have western countries come to the point where they are driven by people who hate the local majorities, despise the traditional institutions, and seek to demographically impose their way?  When I start thinking about it more closely, I can only come to the conclusion that there is an ‘evil’ force within our societies that seeks to destroy us. 

Why else would Le Pen be labelled as an outcast and the corrupt, anti-french ‘elite’ be labelled as the ‘mainstream’?  Why are our defenders slandered, while our racial enemies given a sophisticated pass?  Why do I feel that our elites would be very comfortable in a 1930’s Russian-style system - if they could get away with it (thank god for guns and Americans)?

The western institutions are rotten to the core.  And they will fall apart - it’s just a matter of time. It is a test for our generation to see if we can pick up the pieces and have the smarts to survive in our current form.  I hate losing - and maybe if enough of us get fed up things will ACTUALLY change.

Posted by PCA on November 08, 2005, 08:36 PM | #

For what ever reason the above link does not work; so here it is for ‘mido’.

‘Union escort for protesting Paris students

PARIS, March 15 (AFP) - Thousands of French high-school students who demonstrated against the government in central Paris Tuesday were protected by an extensive security detail after violence and muggings that marred a similar march a week ago.
Unions provided an escort of several hundred stewards and police controlled access to the route between Republique and Nation squares. The march passed off peacefully with only a handful of arrests.
Hundreds of young rioters from poor Paris suburbs disrupted the demonstration on March 8, beating teenagers to the ground and stealing mobile telephones and cameras.
Student leaders said that many pupils who would have demonstrated again against the

government’s education policies had been scared away by last week’s violence. Police said 6,000 took part Tuesday compared to 9,000 on March 8.
Le Monde newspaper carried disturbing interviews with attackers and victims in last week’s trouble - both sides agreeing that the violence was exclusively carried out on white boys and girls by black and Arab teenagers.
“If I went, it was not to demonstrate but to take telephones and beat people up. There were groups of people running about stirring things up, and in the middle these idiots - these little French people just asking for it,” an 18-year-old of Tunisian origin called Heikel said.
“We came to demonstrate against inequalities and we got beaten up. It’s as if they thought that we - the “white Parisians ” - had plenty of money, that we could buy a new mobile phone tomorrow,” said Tristan Goldbronn, 16, who was badly hurt.
Police estimated that between 700 and 1,000 youngsters came into the city centre to spoil the March 8 demonstration, most of them from the Seine-Saint-Denis department in the northern suburbs.
Heikel, who attends a secondary school in the area, told Le Monde that the mainly white Parisian students who took part in the march - known in street parlance as “bolos” - were seen as spoilt and privileged, and therefore fair game.
“A bolo - he’s a sitting duck, a victim,” he said.
“It is the symptom of a real struggle between two worlds,” sociologist Dominique Pasquier told the newspaper.
“Those who feel they are being relegated by the system want to take it out on those who they feel are privileged. In some establishments the split can turn into a real confrontation between whites and immigrants,” he said.
A total of about 50,000 students marched nationwide to protest a school bill going through parliament, despite the recent agreement by Education Minister Francois Fillon to suspend its most contentious provision - an overhaul of the baccalaureat high school-leaving exam.
© AFP’

Posted by Al Ross on November 08, 2005, 09:02 PM | #

‘Allahu Akbar’possesses about as much meaning as ‘water is wet’.It is the recurring verbal tic of the majority-illiterate Muslim world and doubtless we shall be hearing more of it.

Posted by Martin Hutchinson on November 08, 2005, 09:19 PM | #

Phil, I’m not sure about Sarkozy, but having been silly enough to believe in 1988 that France had missed a serious opportunity with Mitterand’s wafer-thin victory over Chirac, I’m inclined to believe that the mainstream French right is as you suggest. In which case Le Pen/Villepin/Socialist might offer a chance of a narrow 3-cornered victory for Le Pen in ‘07.

Posted by Svigor on November 08, 2005, 10:26 PM | #

“. . . the unrest, which has involved poor whites as well as French-born citizens of Arab or African origin complaining of racism and unemployment.”

To the media (infested as it is with liberals and leftists who patronize blacks and other less-than-elite non-white populations), two white guys at a black family reunion no doubt qualify the event as “involving whites as well as blacks” too.

They’ll do absolutely everything short of outright lying to cover up black crime and avoid honestly presenting the facts.

Posted by Svigor on November 08, 2005, 10:52 PM | #

And by outright lying, I mean everything up to and including “that depends on what your definition of ‘is’ is” lying.

Posted by Matra on November 08, 2005, 11:22 PM | #

Phil - “Sarkozy is the French version of a Neo-con”

He’s the only French politician praised in the US neocon blogs and press. Maybe they got the memo from Neocon Central: He’s our man in Paris.

Martin - “Le Pen/Villepin/Socialist might offer a chance of a narrow 3-cornered victory for Le Pen in ‘07.”

That will only get him, or more likely his daughter Marine Le Pen, into the Second Round as in 2002. FN need to improve their performance in National Assembly elections. FN apparently has done a good job in the few towns they’ve run - Orange, Vitolles, both in the south of France.

Posted by Lurker on November 08, 2005, 11:27 PM | #

A liitle fantasy crossed my mind just now. Dress a few hundred of the Foreign Legion as students, set them of on a protest march and watch the fun as the locusts descend for easy pickings.

Posted by Martin Hutchinson on November 08, 2005, 11:50 PM | #

Le Pen vs Socialist in 2nd round, center-right having come third, would be truly amusing!

Posted by Tom Peters on November 09, 2005, 12:37 AM | #

Just saw a CNN report about the french situation on TV and it is very clear that CNN sides with the blacks and Arabs.  They talk non-stop about discrimination and lack of opportunity and how France fails its minorities.  They interviewed some french leftists who stated how provilidged they were in comparison to their African counter-parts - a very standard leftist propaganda line.  They then interviewed some of the oppressed ‘youth’ who told them how unfair that was.  They then switched to a pro-France demostration in which they showed a blond french guy saying ‘if they they don’t like it they should leave’.  Of course the tone and the way it was shot made him sound like a total creep.  It even took at shot at people who wrap them seleves in flags.  Disgusting.

How can we even begin to address any concerns in the west when the media takes such angles?

If you think I am exchagerating imagine a similiar situation in israel.  Imagine camera crews going to the palestenians and then stating over and over again how they do not have equal opportunities in Israel and how Israel needs to do more to help to intergrate them.  Imagine then CNN cutting to a pro-Israeli demostration and dismissing them as nutjobs for suggesting that the Arabs behave.  It would NEVER happen.

The west has been so brainwashed that average people don’t even realize when someone is against them.  The war is being fought in the intellectual space - and anti-whites have all the heavy weapons right now - CNN being one of the biggest.

Posted by Andrew on November 09, 2005, 01:29 AM | #

France are frightened to deploy their Armed Forces, well, do not be surprised to learn that there is: Guess?.. That’s right , a large contingent of Guess…… Yes Moslem’s, problem is , like USA, who are they going to shoot , the Moslem Rioters or the French army, not a hard question if you are a Moslem.

Multiculturalism’s nascent stress points

    Do you know that there are 15,000 Muslims serving in the U.S. armed forces? Are you aware that the U.S. military has Muslim imams?
    Following September 11, Capt. Abd Al-Rasheed Muhammad, Imam of Walter Reed Army Medical Center in D.C., asked the North American Islamic Jurisprudence Council if it is permissible for Muslim troops in the U.S. military to fight other Muslims in the war against terrorism.
    The council referred the matter to Muslim clerics abroad, who issued a fatwa permitting U.S. Muslims to fight if there was “no alternative.”
    Whew. The chain of command of the U.S. military remained intact. But not for long. The Middle East Media Research Institute reports that the Arab clerics reconsidered and withdrew permission on Oct. 30, issuing a new fatwa prohibiting U.S. Muslim troops from participating in U.S. attacks on Muslim forces.
    Can you see where multiculturalism has brought us? The chain of command in the U.S. Army has Arab clerics at its head.
    The idea of a multicultural state is an obvious insanity. The problems of multicultural politics led to the breakup of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. In our own time we have witnessed the breakup of the multicultural Yugoslav state and the Russian Empire.
    Why do so many educated people believe multiculturalism will work in the U.S.? Or do they believe it?
    The political left endorses multiculturalism as an assault on U.S. national identity. Libertarians endorse multiculturalism, because they favor anything that dissolves the state, and there’s no better way to dissolve a state than to dissolve national identity.
    Neoconservatives endorse multiculturalism, because they see it as endorsement of American values by outsiders. The unending flood of immigrants from different cultures is the neoconservatives’ answer to the denigration of American values by the political left.
    These positions are understandable if incompatible, but none are legitimate reasons for constructing a political Tower of Babel.
    Even under the old rules of the “melting pot,” it is doubtful the U.S. could assimilate the high rate of Third World, non-European immigration it has been experiencing for the past three decades. Under the multicultural Balkanization policy in effect, nonassimilation is a guaranteed outcome.
    Of all the hyphenated-Americans, Muslims pose the greatest challenge. Islam assimilates neither into a Judeo-Christian civilization, nor into a secular one. Secular Muslim states are experiencing difficulties themselves and have to rely on force to remain in power.
    The assimilation of Muslims in the U.S. would be daunting even for a culture aware of the challenge. It became impossible when civil rights policy turned every hyphenated-American into a “preferred minority” and endowed them with special legal privileges.
    U.S. civil rights policy not only turned native-born whites into second-class citizens, but also prevents the implementation of sensible airport security measures.
    WorldNetDaily reports that in 1999 the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission forced Argenbright Security Inc., which provides airport security, to rehire seven fired Muslim noncitizens, five of whom are citizens of countries on the State Department’s terrorist blacklist.
    According to the EEOC, “preferred minorities” do not have to be U.S. citizens in order to benefit from elevated group rights.
    Argenbright was forced by the U.S. government to rehire, make a cash settlement, apologize, and institute a “Muslim-sensitivity training program for all Argenbright employees.”
    There you have it. Homeland Security, airport security, and in-flight security are all jokes. U.S. civil rights privileges for “preferred minorities” prevent profiling of suspect religious and ethnic populations, even if the suspects are not citizens and hail from terrorist-friendly countries.
    The seven Muslims were fired because they refused to stop wearing their telltale head wraps, making U.S. citizens very nervous passing through airport security after the Muslim bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa.
    With the help of the EEOC, Muslim noncitizens have established that they must make no concession whatsoever to the Western culture that hosts them.
    So much for the claims that the unassimilable are being assimilated. The U.S. has forsaken national identity for a Tower of Babel

Posted by Lurker on November 09, 2005, 06:04 AM | #

Right on Andrew.

Posted by Stuka on November 09, 2005, 10:37 AM | #

Are there any other white Americans/Brits/Aussies willing to travel to France and help the French security forces hunt Muslims? I have firearms & COIN training, and would like to help our French brothers and sisters eradicate the Muslim terrs. The lessons learned in France could help us deal with the impending racial conflict in our home territories.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 09, 2005, 11:30 AM | #

Stuka you can’t be serious.  Do you actually think you’d be allowed to “help the French Security Forces” over there?  This is meant as a joke, right?

Posted by AD on November 09, 2005, 01:45 PM | #

Neoconservatives endorse multiculturalism, because they see it as endorsement of American values by outsiders.- Andrew

So true, and so applicable to the mindset of the elite in most western countries. It’s conceit plain and simple.

Even worse is the supposed ‘populist’ mantra that says ‘i don’t care who comes here, as long as they act like us’. That is viewed as right-wing sentiment. Hearing such stupidity throws me into fits of rage.

The problem isn’t how they act when they get here, the problem is that they are here at all. If a people start a sentence by saying ‘i don’t care who comes here as long as they…’, then they deserve everything they get. Why don’t you care who comes here? What is wrong with you? Do you have one iota of foresight in your pea brains? You want them to come here just for the sake of saying you have integrated aliens? Is integration a virtue in itself? Import trouble, racism and violence just for the sake of proclaiming your integrating abilities to the world? Why is it a choice between multiculturalism and assimilation? Who gave us those two stupid choices? If they are the answers what was the question?

Posted by mido on November 09, 2005, 04:42 PM | #

Sorry to tell you, half the rioters were white:

“About half the kids burning the cars and the buildings are white, working-class, post-Christian French”

source

Posted by mido on November 09, 2005, 04:46 PM | #

“Half” means there were as many white rioters as North Africans, Arabs, and blacks put together.

So much for pinning the blame on immigrants.

Posted by Martin Hutchinson on November 09, 2005, 04:56 PM | #

As an editor, I can tell you that that’s not a source but a bloward.

Posted by Kubilai on November 09, 2005, 05:00 PM | #

No, no Mido.  They weren’t half white, all the rioters where white.  Of course that is the natural progression of PC lies.  We were only imagining black and brown faces during the first week and a half of rioting.  Of course it was the isolated half dozen blacks in the riots that the media caught in order to make them look bad.  Of course it is all a conspiracy.  Of course we shall bend over for our just punishment by the third world masses. 

Here’s a little wake-up Mido for you.  I do not care if ALL the rioters were white.  ALL the immigrants need to go.  How’s that for ya?

Posted by Lurker on November 09, 2005, 05:01 PM | #

I just read it, she might have some points there but its hardly a factual source for the contention that half the rioters are white/non-muslim. I may be cynical but I suspect if the MSM had any picures of white youths on the rampage in the last two weeks they would have been given prominent publicity.

Posted by Svigor on November 09, 2005, 05:31 PM | #

“About half the kids burning the cars and the buildings are white, working-class, post-Christian French”

If that was really true the media coverage of this whole thing would’ve been radically different, from top to bottom.

For one thing we’d have photos.

Posted by Tom Peters on November 09, 2005, 07:11 PM | #

From the Canadian website article (Figures it’s from a Canadian website - what else could I expect.):

“The real problem with all this ranting about the failures of multiculturalism is that the Paris riots are actually a splendid demonstration of the successful integration of immigrants into French culture”

Welcome to the new political order and its wonderful language.  Of course this wasn’t ethnic rioting.  Of course if a couple of white teenagers died in a power station this still would have happened. Nothing to worry about here. Time to move on.  These riots have proved that everything is working.

Posted by Guessedworker on November 09, 2005, 07:15 PM | #

Mido,

What is your racial background?  What genetic interest do you apply to matters of Third World immigration into the ancient nation states of the West?

Posted by Matra on November 09, 2005, 07:54 PM | #

she might have some points

Gwynne Dyer, Mido’s source, is a he;  an insufferable one at that. When the CBC (Canada’s Beeb) needs a smug pompous commentator they often turn to him. In the 80s he was a peacenik; in the 90s he supported Desert Storm and was big on globalism; since 9/11 he seems to have gone back to his peacenik roots. Needless to say he’s an outspoken opponent of any kind of Western nationalism.

Posted by Phil on November 09, 2005, 07:56 PM | #

He’s the only French politician praised in the US neocon blogs and press. Maybe they got the memo from Neocon Central: He’s our man in Paris.

Watch this space. 

I predict: if Sarkozy wins, affirmative action for immigrants, more immigration, closer ties with Israel, closer ties with the Neo-con America “right.

Now that rings a bell!

Posted by Lurker on November 09, 2005, 07:59 PM | #

Gwynne, Gwynne? - but, but thats girl’s name!!!

Posted by Matra on November 09, 2005, 08:11 PM | #

Most Canadian liberal Anglos are a bunch of big girls anyway.

Posted by Andrew on November 09, 2005, 10:46 PM | #

AD, ha, what was that all about, the crux and the point was. We have been Hi jacked, that was an article from Town hall USA explaining the virtues of the brain-dead Multiculturalism and now the reality.
If the problem did not exist in the first instance then there would not be a need for laws or change. Obviously.
Ease up a bit AD, we all gets just as angry when we hear and See what the clowns have done, no point ending up in hospital

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 10, 2005, 01:14 AM | #

“half the rioters were white:  ‘About half the kids burning the cars and the buildings are white, working-class, post-Christian French’ “  (—Mido)

First of all, I don’t believe it.  (We used to see Canadian Gwynn Dyer all the time here on PBS-TV and he’s a radical left-wing asshole, as bad as they come.)  Second, any white French (“white French” is redundant, of course) kids who rioted( * ) were made to act that way by excessive incompatible immigration, multi-culti, the influence of Hollywood films glorfying the Negro and his world, and all the rest of it.  Why is France “post-Christian,” for example, Mido?  Why is it post-national (not a term used in your comment but elsewhere, all over the place)?  Who did all this to France; to the youth of France?  Who, Mido?

( *  Assuming any whites joined the rioters at all, which is yet to be confirmed—fourteen Mexican rapists in the U.S. recently were classed by the police as “white”; the FBI is known to deliberately call Hispanic criminals “white” in order to skew crime statistics away from their true Hispanic predominance over white crime rates.)
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Moratorium-plus-Repatriation!

Posted by Svigor on November 10, 2005, 08:31 PM | #

As I said in the other thread, if there was any truth to Midol’s claims and source, then the press wouldn’t have jumped way out in front of this thing with the preemptive cries of “French racism!”

We would’ve been treated to video and pics of the rioters too, which is not the case; instead we get lots of stock footage of firefightes and burned cars.

Posted by PCA on November 10, 2005, 09:47 PM | #

So Ummm Mido,

“. . . the unrest, which has involved poor whites as well as French-born citizens of Arab or African origin complaining of racism and unemployment.”

So the whites are complaining of racism against who? Presumably the blacks and arabs?