Germany wants to ban heresy in EU

Posted by Orion Blue on January 10, 2007, 05:25 PM | #

I also predict that there will not be a peep in the UK about it, save of course, the usual commentariat supporting Germany’s motion.

If people need to feel guilty about it, then let such guilt be restricted to the perpetrators, rather than those who actually opposed it.

This whole suppression of free speech gimmick is a ruse by the manipulators in politics, media “entertainment”, “education” and so on, to extend their encroaching powers to control other areas of our lives.

If they ban one thing, you can rest assured they have other targets on their list.

Posted by Mother Ecclesiastica on January 11, 2007, 07:22 AM | #

How pathetically ridiculous.
Hundreds of members of my family died in Germany’s Meglomaniac Wars (both of them).

Do the Jews not consider the deaths of millions of Christians to be an Holocaust, then?

I’ll acknowledge your holocaust when you acknowledge mine!!

Until that day comes, I’ll simply say: “What only 6 million of you? Wow, you lot got off lightly didn’t you?

Posted by Guessedworker on January 11, 2007, 08:41 AM | #

For us, this issue is of secondary importance.  It is not our battle to challenge the official rendering of German history.  There is such a battle, of course, and it is important.  But it is our battle to challenge the industrial-scale exploitation of that official rendering.  It is our battle to protest the banishment of free speech.  It is our battle to challenge engineered opinion not because it is historically wrong but because it is engineered.  It is our battle to point out the grotesque misapplication and extention of holo-guilt to all present-day Europeans everywhere, regardless of their forebear’s deeds and for no better reason than Organised Jewry desires us to acknowledge a blood-guilt.  On that ground we can fight, and no law can touch us.

Posted by R CROSS on January 11, 2007, 11:08 AM | #

It has by no means been proven in any scientific sense,indeed the greater the suppression of any kind of enquiry, the more flimsy the accusation becomes.Personally i adhere to the red cross figures of 250,000 deaths in camps,though wether caused by deliberate state sponsered murder,or disease and malnutrition is a moot point,though the lack of any meaningfull investigation i think has more to do with the jewish extortion of 86 billion dollars from the german people than the pursuit of historical truth.

Posted by Jewbird on January 11, 2007, 06:12 PM | #

A fascinating psychological analysis of ethnic hysteria:

http://www.101bananas.com/library/jewbird.html

Posted by Al Ross on January 12, 2007, 12:30 AM | #

Soon the last redoubts for Holohoax recusants will be the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man.

Recently I had lunch with a White Al-Jazeera employee and suggested to him that a series on Holocaust Revisionism might be well-received by the Arab-owned TV station’s viewers. He was horrified and told me that Al-Jazeera is mainstreaming as fast as possible with the downplaying of anti-Israel sentiments being a feature of their recently-introduced English language service.

Posted by Jewish Birthrate on January 12, 2007, 10:14 AM | #

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/jews-and-jewish-birthrate.htm

Posted by Billy Joe Daniels on January 12, 2007, 01:54 PM | #

The 6,000,000 in 1900:

Rabbi Wise’s Address
New York Times
June 11, 1900, p. 7

Rabbi Wise said, in part:

‘The day will never come when I will care less for Zion, when there will be anyone who will strive more for the glorious ideals of Zionism.

‘Two great conventions of Jews are being held tonight. In Chicago, there is a conference of charities called together by men who minister to the wants of the poor. They have assembled to see that too much charity is not given to the unworthy. Their purpose is right. But ours is the greater charity. We have assembled not to see that the Jew does not get too much, but that every Jew shall get the right to live.

‘There are 6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism. They come not to beg, but ask for that which is higher than all material things. They seek to have satisfied the unquenchable thirst after the ideal. They ask to become once again the messengers of right, justice, and humanity.’

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The 6,000,000 in 1919:

Felix M. Warburg Tells Sad Plight of Jews
Felix M. Warburg Says They Were the Worst Sufferers in War.

The New York Times
September 29, 1919, p. 7

Felix M. Warburg, Chairman of the Joint Distribution Committee of American Funds for Jewish War Sufferers, who returned several days ago from a trip to Europe for that organization, made public yesterday some of his findings.

‘The successive blows of contending armies have all but broken the back of European Jewry,’ he said, ‘and have reduced to tragically unbelievable poverty, starvation and disease about 6,000,000 souls, or half the Jewish population of the earth.’

Posted by Rnl on January 14, 2007, 02:27 AM | #

The rest who died (usually anonymously included in an 11 million figure, if at all) are shit.

Of course the “five million others” are completely fictional. Simon Wiesenthal wanted a figure lower than six million, in order to preserve preeminent Jewish victimhood, but high enough to convince Gentiles that they had a stake in Jewish Holocaust commemoration. He invented the five million on that basis. It is, as Peter Novick has written, historically meaningless.

Far more than five million Gentiles died during World War II, so the five million figure has the effect of reducing non-Jewish wartime suffering. If World War II is viewed through the lens of the Jewish Holocaust, Jews are the war’s greatest victims - six million is a larger number than five million. If, on the other hand, the war is viewed from our perspective, which in this case is the genuinely humanistic perspective, Jewish deaths are merely among the sixty million who died - fifty-four million is a much larger number than six million.

Wiesenthal “threw out” the figure of “11 million who were murdered in the Holocaust - six million Jews and five million non-Jews,” said the Yad Vashem official. When asked why he gave these figures, Wiesenthal replied: “The gentiles will not pay attention if we do not mention their victims, too.” Wiesenthal “chose ‘five million (gentiles)’ because he wanted a ‘diplomatic’ number, one that told of a large number of gentile victims but in no way was larger than that of Jews ...”

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/simon_w.htm

So where did Wiesenthal get the number eleven million, including five million non-Jews? In a private conversation, [Yehuda] Bauer asked him that very question. And Wiesenthal told Bauer where he had gotten it. He told him that he had “invented” it. That’s right, he had made it up! And why had he invented it? He had invented it, Bauer wrote in 1989, “in order to make the non-Jews feel like they are part of us.” Wiesenthal had already expressed this sentiment to a Washington Post reporter in 1979, when he told him that “Since 1948 I have sought with Jewish leaders not to talk about six million Jewish dead, but rather about eleven million civilians dead, including six million Jews.” What Wiesenthal felt back in 1948 was that the non-Jewish world wouldn’t be interested in the Jewish tragedy unless they understood that non-Jews had been killed, too. So he pointed out that they were. Needing to identify a number, he made one up—5 million.

http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.23492/pub_detail.asp

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Guessedworker wrote:

It is our battle to point out the grotesque misapplication and extention of holo-guilt to all present-day Europeans everywhere, regardless of their forebear’s deeds and for no better reason than Organised Jewry desires us to acknowledge a blood-guilt.

Here’s a good example of what this Judeocentric history looks like. It’s from from the Kahanist Jewish Task Force, which in another thread the Realist mentioned as a fine pro-White Jewish organization:

[Begin Quote] After tiny Israel miraculously defeated the Arab world in the 1948 War of Independence - despite being outnumbered by the Arabs 100 to 1 - the United States, the Soviet Union, Britain and the United Nations pressured the Jewish State to accept the anti-Israel 1949 armistice agreements.

Israel had beaten back the huge invading Egyptian army, not only throwing the Egyptian Muslim Nazis out of the Negev Desert but pursuing the Egyptian aggressors deep into the Sinai Peninsula.

In fact, after Israel liberated Sinai territory up to El Arish, the Egyptians suddenly expressed interest in an armistice agreement that would prevent the tiny but fierce Jewish army from advancing even further.

Egypt’s British Nazi allies threatened to militarily intervene in the war on behalf of the Egyptians unless Israel agreed to retreat from the liberated Sinai. These are the same British Nazis who murdered over 6 million innocent Jewish men, women and children during the German Holocaust by forcibly preventing European Jews from entering the British-occupied Land of Israel to escape Hitler’s inferno during World War II. The British Nazi army and navy deliberately sent thousands of desperate European Jewish men, women and children who tried to enter the Holy Land in the 1940s back to Hitler’s gas chambers and ovens.

Not satisfied with being responsible for the murder of over 6 million Jews, the British Nazis then armed Israel’s Arab Muslim enemies to the teeth during the 1948 War of Independence in order to help the Arabs finish Hitler’s job.

When G-d gave the hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned Jews a miraculous victory in the 1948 war, the British Nazis then threatened to go to war against Israel to help the Arab Muslims.

Unfortunately, Israel’s first Bolshevik dictator, David Ben Gurion, gave in to this British Nazi threat and agreed to a unilateral Israeli retreat from the liberated Sinai in 1949. [End Quote]

http://www.jtf.org/israel/israel.is.yesha.liberated.part.one.htm

What does the word “nazi” mean in the preceding paragraphs? The simplest explanation would be “non-Jew.” Certainly the British in the 1940s were not “nazis” in any political sense of the term. Most of us would think of them as anti-nazis, an opinion Hitler doubtless shared. But to Jews afflicted with high levels of Jewish ethnocentrism, any non-Jew who impedes Jewish ambitions is a nazi.

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The Realist:

[Begin Quote] Although I am not a Jew, I know many Jews who are fervent race realists. And these people tell me they get a fair hearing from their Jewish friends, who might one day come around. And it isn’t just that they believe in racial differences, but they have an all-around pro-white, pro-Christian attitude: they support limitations of non-white immigration and Nativity scenes in the town square, for example. Spend some time at the Jewish Task Force website if you don’t believe me:

http://www.jtf.org/

If Jews are as monolithically hostile to whites as MacDonald suggests, how would such people be possible? [End Quote]

Posted by Retew on January 14, 2007, 02:12 PM | #

Orion Blue wrote;

“I also predict that there will not be a peep in the UK about it, save of course, the usual commentariat supporting Germany’s motion.

If people need to feel guilty about it, then let such guilt be restricted to the perpetrators, rather than those who actually opposed it.

This whole suppression of free speech gimmick is a ruse by the manipulators in politics, media “entertainment”, “education” and so on, to extend their encroaching powers to control other areas of our lives.

If they ban one thing, you can rest assured they have other targets on their list.”

Time will tell here, but I suspect there will be an outcry about this now that our most celebrated Holocaust sceptic (David Irving) is free and will be in demand for comments from the more broadminded media outlets in the UK.

Free speech is not yet dead in the UK, no matter what many Americans believe; we’re probably somewhere halfway between America and mainland Europe in our respect for it.

I’ll keep my eyes skinned for reports about this in the UK broadsheets, at least those who publish online.