Hatred

Posted by 2R on October 14, 2007, 09:51 PM | #

Not much to add to this.  If we could only get the Evangelicals to read and understand this.  I know that accusing people[s] of “projection” can be rather passe.  But you have to admit, that no one calls people haters’ more than Jews.  Just this morning after work, I was watching a speech given by Abe Foxman on cspan2.  He was talking about Jimmy Carter and the hate that radiated from this man was intense.  He even said something about Carter having a “Southern Toothy Smile.”  Now please realize that I’m paraphrasing here but what is a “Southern Toothy smile.”  What if someone said that Foxman had a “Brooklyn Swarthy Grin.”  How well would that go over?

Posted by Fr. John on October 16, 2007, 11:14 AM | #

‘“Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do” is not an acceptable moral sentiment for Jews.”

No, considering that the referrent in Christ’s saying was NOT to the blasphemous and Christ-killing Jews, but to the (naive, and clueless) roman soldiers, who were ‘merely following orders.’

Everyone (wrongly) assumes that Christ was forgiving his Crucifiers; (for, in knowing one’s Judean history, the Ideumeans were the ones who controlled the Pharisees and Scribes, NOT ‘real jews’ such as Christ and the Apostles’ were!) HE was not!

Does not the Bible clearly state that “I hate Thy Enemies with a PERFECT hatred”?

The LXX uses the same term ‘teleos’ for this verse in Psalms with the word ‘perfect’ as in CHrist’s dictum to “Be ye perfect, as your Heavenly Father is perfect.”

Which clearly leads to the statement by a Saint (Theodosius) of the Orthodox Church:

““Live in peace not only with your friends, but also with your enemies;
But only with your personal enemies, and not with the enemies of God.”

So, based on 20 centuries of unerring witness, one can forgive the Romans, [as they were pagans, and did not know that “they crucified the Lord of Glory” short of that one man, that (as John Wayne acted it in the Greatest Story Ever Told, said: “Truly- this was the son of God- Pilgim!”)]

Whereas, knowing they had done so, the Pharisees and the other Idumean mamzers were ‘guilty of the greater sin’....

One can never forgive a people, a race, a religion, that commits Deicide.
Nor does YHWH God, or His Son, Jesus, expect us to.

Posted by sdfghjk on March 15, 2008, 11:36 PM | #

You antisemetic filth!
Why go critisising others when you are nowhere near perfect yourself!
us peace loving Jews dont want anything to do with you.
Get lost
stop saying these lies

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 28, 2008, 02:13 AM | #

Jews are always talking about “Jew-hatred.”  They never talk about their own vicious murderous genocidal Euro-hatred.  Ever notice that?  (Rhetorical quesiton, of course — how could you not???)  Well, the Occidental Observer is taking up the slack: 

But then there’s the video (posted at the Jewish Community Center website) of Bernhard saying about Sarah Palin, “Don’t you fucking reference the Old Testament, bitch. You stay with your goyish, crappy, shiksa-funky [or is it “shiksa-fucking”?] bullshit. Don’t you touch my Old Testament, you bitch. Because we have left it open to interpretation. It is no longer taken literally. You whore …”

[...]

The first take-home message, then, is that Jews don’t have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. In an era when talking disparagingly about other groups is a sure way to career oblivion, it’s still possible for a Jewish performer to denigrate the goyim and the Christian religion and to advocate physical violence and sexual degradation against someone merely because they believe what most white people believe. And she can do it at a Jewish community center.

Whites should think about what this really implies about America of the future when whites are a minority and Jews remain as a hostile elite. Kevin MacDonald reminds us what happens when a hostile Jewish elite rules over a society that they loathe, in this case the Jewish Communists who acted as mass murderers of Christians during a period when Jews were a hostile elite in the Soviet Union.

[...]

This culture of the left therefore includes a lot of non-Jews. Destroying this culture is an enormously uphill battle. It is a culture that is now decades old and entrenched in all the elite power centers of society. The task will not be easy. But, considering what happened in the Soviet Union when a hostile Jewish elite obtained political power and was unleashed on the people and culture they hated, there is an obvious moral imperative in doing so.

(Read the whole editorial)

Posted by Guessedworker on September 28, 2008, 03:57 AM | #

Here’s the page with the performance, on video, at the centre of all that:-

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=US8UUC0lEzI&feature=related

Posted by Armor on September 28, 2008, 09:29 AM | #

“Jews are always talking about “Jew-hatred.” They never talk about their own vicious murderous genocidal Euro-hatred.  Ever notice that?”

In French, I have encountered the phrase “inversion accusatoire” to describe this. In English, it would translate as “accusatory inversion”, but it doesn’t come up in google searches. Googling “accusation inversion” yields only one hit:

*** Closed-Minded Accusation Inversion (...) is a technique used to call the opposing party “closed-minded” even though it is you who is actually being closed-minded by all conventional definitions of the word. By calling them this, it serves the double purpose of making your opinion appear sturdier and it prevents them from being able to call YOU “closed-minded”. (...) remember that it is your duty to then say, “No, YOU are the closed-minded one”.***

I think that “accusation inversion” is just a handy, dishonest technique to silence opponents. It could also be called “chutzpah”. It is a kind of energy-saving, absent-minded, automatic response that doesn’t imply any projection of one’s feelings onto someone else. When called Jew-haters, we can always reply: No, YOU are the one full of hatred, but it makes us sound very childish.
Unfortunately, it isn’t only the Jews who attack us with accusations of “Jew-hatred”. The same accusation also comes from European leftists (who are doing free work for the Jews). They won’t examine any evidence that Jewish influence in politics and the media may be a problem for us and should be reduced.

There is another phenomenon that is even better than Freudian projection. It is the habit of the neocons to blame the Muslims for hating the West. If the neocons blamed us for trying to destroy Israel, it could be seen as a case of Freudian projection. They are the ones who try to destroy the West by mass immigration. But instead, they spend a huge amount of energy blaming the muslims for trying to destroy the West. Maybe it could be called “Freudian translatory projection” or something like that. Although it isn’t really a subconscious psychological phenomenon. It looks more like crazy political scheming.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 28, 2008, 10:20 AM | #

I have no doubt the guy posting those interracial porn pix is a Jew.  Interracial porn produced by and/or circulated by Jewish men is in large part an ethnic attack on the Euro race, exactly as the Jewish 1965 Third-Worldization Immigration bill was.  One thing that needs to happen is for someone expert at photoshopping to start inserting Stars of David in these black-on-blonde porn pix so as to clearly identify the woman as Jewish.  In this particular pic a clearly visible Star of David couldn’t be placed around her neck but think of all the places a highly visible Star of David tattoo could be placed (just let your imagination run wild .... I hope I don’t have to spell it out futher ....).  Once photoshopped, the porn pic should be recirculated around the ‘net.  This should be done with as many black-on-blonde hard-core porn pix as possible — flood the internet with them.  And not just black-on-blonde:  also do Arab man on Jewish woman, the woman enjoying the most humiliating positions possible and clearly identified in the photo as a Jewish woman.  Make the Arab man wear an Arab headdress for example, or some other sign that makes it clear this is the sexual subjugation of a Jewish woman by an Arab Moslem man.  This is what the Jewish producers and circulators of this black-on-blonde stuff are doing to Euros, namely rubbing sexual subjugation of Euro women to Negro men in the faces of Euros, especially Euro men.  Let’s give the Jews a taste of their own medicine.  Two can play that game.  We didn’t start it because racially/ethnoculturally we Euros are not the kind of disgusting filth some of these Jews are who engage in this sort of thing.  But we’re quick learners — especially when taught by such experts.  So all you guys adept at photoshopping out there, let’s get started on altering some of this stuff and re-cirulating it, shall we?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 28, 2008, 10:21 AM | #

Good letter by Armor, by the way.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 28, 2008, 10:31 AM | #

The other thing is, to not do it is to discriminate against Jewish women in the sense it symbolizes the withholding of prime-quality orgasms from them, the kind of orgasms Alon Ziv assured us can be had only by shagging a Negro man.  Why should Euro women be the only ones to get these Negro-induced orgasms?  Jewish women deserve them too, and therefore to not represent Jewish women in these black-on-white porn pix is highly discriminatory.  In fact, it’s anti-Semitic.  Photoshoppers who add Stars of David around these whores’ necks then re-circulate the pix around the internet, therefore, will be fighting the good fight against anti-Semitism.  Abe Foxman should applaud them, and they should be added to the ranks of the “Righteous Gentiles” who do good things, mitzvahs, for Jews.

Posted by Guessedworker on September 28, 2008, 10:41 AM | #

Perhaps the Star should have the words “Nope, Alon Ziv was lying” added just beneath.  Or above.  Wherever.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 28, 2008, 10:57 AM | #

LOL. 

Or, “I guess Alon Ziv’s rectum and my vagina just don’t respond to it the same way.”

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 28, 2008, 11:00 AM | #

(Go ahead and erase that if it was a bit strong, GW.  Sorry!)

Posted by Guessedworker on September 28, 2008, 11:16 AM | #

How can I chortle away one minute and come over all censorious the next?  Sod him, as you say.

Posted by ummmm on March 08, 2010, 01:43 PM | #

I find it funny that nobody here seems to think about the fact that maybe the jews have been fucked by the rest of the world left and right. After the blood lie, the murders, genocide, slander, and all kinds of things the europeans never had to endure, maybe the jews are entitled to a grudge? Also, the story about jews crucifying christians on purim is a lie. I wouldn’t be surprised if much of the rest of the “reporting” is also a fabrication. As a religion scholar, I could call bullshit on a lot of this.

Posted by ummmm on March 10, 2010, 02:52 PM | #

It is rather silly to interview one or two rabbis and quote a small portion of scripture (much of which is christian scripture, too) and use it as a definitive example of all of jewish ideology. The writer is a hack and a liar, not to mention an idiot and a fool.

As for the Jew who would not forgive the repentant Nazi, the story is well known among many jews and religion scholars. The reason a jew would not forgive such a person, is that jews do not believe that you can forgive someone for a wrong committed against someone else. As such, no person can forgive someone for wrongs committed against many, many people. They do not even believe that God forgives you for wrongs committed against another. You have to go and seek out that individual’s forgiveness yourself.

If you do not get this forgiveness, however, that does not mean that one is barred from heaven. The Talmud states that there was no forgiveness in the generation of the flood, but there was remorse. So even though nobody would forgive each other, they all attained the World to Come, because they all felt remorse. That very Jewish message doesn’t seem to jive with this article, which is less authoritative on Jewish belief than the Talmud. It’s also a much kinder message than the Christian one, since most Christian imagine the generation of the flood as damned.

Jews also don’t believe in eternal damnation for anyone, compare that to Christianity’s belief in eternal damnation.

Here is a Q and A from a woman to a rabbi about forgiveness for the murder of her daughter. It doesn’t match up with the absolutes of this article:

Question:

I am the mother of a murdered daughter who has written a book as a dedication, memoir and hopefully, work of inspiration. Included in the book, at my request, the murderer has written of the last five weeks of my daughters life, including her horrific death.

Why did I request this? Because I had not been in my right state of mind for five years after the killing. My daughter went missing and was buried beneath the mansion’s garage by her brief boyfriend who was then eighteen. She was nineteen, and so the title, “Forever Nineteen.” The last section, written through me by the incarcerated murderer, is titled, “Five Weeks To Forever.”

Before making this request, I had already been writing for five years, but in that sixth year I learned many unknown things. With time, I began to feel a sort of forgiveness toward the killer. Not for his horrid crime, but for his flawed humanity. I wanted to keep hating him, but I could not. I don’t understand my own feelings. But I feel compelled to continue. Now many people despise me for my forgiveness.

True, it is up to G?d to forgive. But for now, here on earth, am I so wrong to feel this way? Should I feel hatred and spite as I once did towards a brutal killer? Should I return to rehearse in my mind, again and again, the execution of this young murderer? Should I feel as people demand that I feel? Am I wrong for feeling forgiveness?

Response:

No, you are not wrong. You are human, exquisitely human. It is the nature of empathy, teach our sages, to neutralize hatred.1

This is the way we were created. If not, humanity could not survive. As soon as we come to know the other person, we enter that person, and a small piece of that person enters us. As we forgive ourselves, again and again, so we will forgive that other person. Oh, how complex, how deep the labyrinths of the human heart.

There are times when forgiveness is sin. There is evil in our world that must be eradicated, without mercy, without looking back. We are commanded to destroy the memory of Amalek, to stamp out any vestige of him. We cannot allow even the smallest particle of such disease to enter our spirit’s bloodstream, lest it poison us as well, lest we become its conspirators, in action or in silence.

The evil of this man is not of that sort. It was the evil, as you say, of a flawed humanity. One that perhaps, through compassion and understanding, can attain some sort of healing—perhaps in this life, perhaps in another. You are not letting him off the hook-as you write, only G-d can do that. But G-d will not hold it against you for allowing compassion to enter your heart for such a human being. After all, we are all flawed, all of humanity. If there is no hope for this one human being, how is there hope for all the rest?

But if there is hope for a bitter soul to surrender to compassion, for fierce hatred to subside to understanding, for blood-enmity to give way to forgiveness, then there is hope for all of humankind, and for this angry world to find harmony and peace.

“At first,” the Midrash tells us, “G?d thought to create the world with strict justice. He saw, however, that such a world could not stand. And so, He made compassion a partner with justice. And the world stood.”

May that be soon, sooner than we can imagine, when “death will be swallowed up forever and G?d will wipe the tears off every face,” amen.

I hope that this post has adequately proven the extreme lack of credibility in this article.

Posted by Rob W. on May 25, 2010, 05:21 PM | #

Thank G-d for ummmm’s post!  It brought sanity to a discussion which seemed to me to be completely out of control.  Yeah, I’m a Jew, but I’m also a human being with both good and bad charactaristics like any typical human being.  G-d gives just about any individual of any nation or religion the capacity to think on his / her own about the pros and cons of hating versus loving, and between grudging and forgiveness.  While it is true that there are some very harsh passages in Psalms and other classic Hebrew texts, love and forgiveness are also very important aspects of Judaism.  If you read enough of the classic texts and commentaries, you will find that there is an abundance of benevolent teaching to counterballance the seemingly malevolent stuff. 

One can twist any religion’s teaching all around for virtually any purpose when quoting out of context.  A very popular motive for quoting out of context is to demonize all the people associated with a given religion.  This is intellectually lazy because it gives one the luxury of not having to deal with people as individuals.  For example, I know a Jew who makes nasty generalizations about entire popluations (Iranians, Arabs, Muslems, etc.), and he does it by quoting little bits of the Koran.  I argue with him that he should not slam an entire nation or religion, just as he and I don’t want to be hated just for being Jewish.  I remind him that our books have a lot of crazy passages, too—especially when taken out of context and not counterballanced with the other passages which act as safeguards against extremism. 

Reis says that there were a couple of cases where Jews crucified Christians.  I have not heard about these cases before, but I can assure you that if such homocides happened, the perps were not practicing Judaism.  Crucifixion was a Pagan Roman form of capital punishment, not a Jewish one.  While Jewish courts in ancient times reserved the right to use corporal and capital punishments in certain cases, they often tried to give convicts every benefit of the doubt possible lest the court become a murderous one—G-d forbid! 

For the record, I have never heard a Jew say “may his name be erased” or any equivalent phrase when mentioning Jesus of Nazareth.  I have, however, heard Jews invoke such a curse when mentioning Adolf Hitler.  I see a paradox in this sentiment.  One of the Six Rememberances found in many Jewish prayer books is to blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven.  Amalek’s attack on the Israelites was completely unprovoked, and his forces especially targeted the most vulnerable migrants who lagged behind.  How can you “blot out a memory” when you are reminded in daily prayers, “do not forget.”  My understanding of this paradox is that we have to remember Hitler’s and Amalek’s evil to prevent it from repeating itself.

Posted by ytijihjyuyijkjk on January 12, 2011, 12:02 AM | #

None of this makes sense at all its all bs it has nothing to do with wat the jews believe

Posted by Mr. Smithers on May 07, 2011, 03:13 AM | #

“Mr. Burton does not hate Jewish Jews who are devout or non-Jewish Jews who are atheists. He hates Jews for Jesus. This brand of hatred is acceptable to Haaretz.

The only possible explanation for his convictions is that people with the heritable quality of Jewishness (who do not become Christians or otherwise reject their communal culture) have a deep-seated and socially acceptable hatred for Christians.”

The Jews are not just a religion, but a RACE. SHOCKING. Keep reading to find out who killed J.R. on “Dallas.”

“The only possible explanation for his convictions” is that he himself hates Jews who voluntarily join religions whose followers have oppressed Jews in the name of their god. Jews disdain “Jews for Jesus” because we endured centuries of oppression over our refusal to convert to Christianity. Thus Christianity contrasts with Jewish identity (both racial/cultural and religious) far more than being a pimp or a pornographer or a doctor or architect. Yes, one can be a Jewish pimp. One can also be a Christian pimp, judging from the popularity of bejeweled crucifixes worn by rappers and other assorted trash. Mr. Burston doesn’t represent all Jews any more than Hitler represents all Germans. End of story. 

Several of the comments in support of the above article are full of vulgarity. I guess that means that Christians have a deep-seated love of vulgarity, which must be a requirement in their religion. Right?.......