Hispanic IQ

Posted by John S Bolton on December 30, 2005, 04:26 AM | #

The premiss that Amerindian cultures developed from their own original instigation is likely to be false. Japanese styles of pottery have been found at the Amerindian zero point of agriculture on the coast of northern Peru.  The magnitude and level of Amerindian culture and population is a free fire zone for dishonest scholarship; we have professors who say that precolumbian Mexico had 100 million people. Official anticaucasianism has run through public universities to the extent that scholars in their employ have been saying that Amerind populations of millions were put down over 99%.

Posted by Calvin on December 30, 2005, 12:27 PM | #

“And I think the brilliant INDEPENDENT achievements of pre-Columbus meso-Americans are not consistent with them being a retarded group. Quantifying the criterion is always a vexing problem however so it does boil down to a matter of judgment.”

“Note that Sephardic Jews score about the same as Hispanics. What do you conclude from that?” JJRay.

Sephardic Jews are Semites. Their IQs are roughly equivalent to Arab IQs, as one would expect. The Ashkenazim are Khazars, of Sino-Turkic origins. The higher IQ of the Ashkenazim is a result of a combination of innate East Asian intellectual advantage and cultural selective bias.

Mexican architecture is massive, but not sophisticated. The famous and spectacular pyramids are mounds of earth faced in stone. THe Mexican pyramids are more akin to Mesopotamian ziggurats than to the pyramids of Egypt.  Mexican architecture got no more sophisticated that post and lintel construction. The Mexicans were ignorant of the arch the dome and the flying buttress. Don’t mistake scale for sophisticationh

Posted by Svigor on December 30, 2005, 01:12 PM | #

Sephardic Jews are Semites. Their IQs are roughly equivalent to Arab IQs, as one would expect. The Ashkenazim are Khazars, of Sino-Turkic origins. The higher IQ of the Ashkenazim is a result of a combination of innate East Asian intellectual advantage and cultural selective bias.

Koestler’s Out-of-Khazaria theory strikes me as a red herring.  I’m not intimately familiar with the lit on Ashkenazi genetics; doesn’t it belie his speculations?

I think Koestler was motivated to deconstruct the then-common idea of jewry-as-race and formed his assays accordingly.  He may also have wanted to show Judaism as a universalist inclusionist religion (at least in one point in time) and so latched onto the Khazars. (From what I understand there is practically no evidence that Khazars mixed with jews, or even converted to Judaism, in large numbers)

As far as I know the Ashkenazim are almost wholly a Semitic-European mix.

Posted by Svigor on December 30, 2005, 01:48 PM | #

4. For Dr. Ray, this is a purely theoretical question. Virtually no Latin Americans are illegally immigrating to Australia. As an American, however, this is a question of massive import. Do I want to bet my country’s future based on a bunch of pyramids in Mexico?

This is the crux of the argument for me.

JJR’s assertion that it is “essentially ad hominem” is nonsense.  The argument is perfectly logical: vis-a-vis threats, false negatives are far more costly than false positives.

Maybe if JJR could see the people in question on a daily basis as we do in America, he’d take a different tack.

Posted by JRM on December 30, 2005, 02:09 PM | #

There is also the possibility that Old World disease had a dysgenic effect on the Amerindians.  I assume the Aztec and Inca rulers congregated in cities.  They had much more opportunity to fall to disease than the rural peasants.  This implies the remaining population has lower genetic potential for intelligence. 

Building pyramids in Mesoamerica didn’t require intelligence so much as the ability to enslave populations to do one’s bidding.  What does it say of a population if they are so cowed as to let themselves be worked to death?  The Aztecs maintained control of their subjugated tribes by periodically sacrificing some of the subjugated and eating them.  This slow cull removed the troublemakers and leaders.  The obedient and dumb get selected for.

Posted by Pericles on December 30, 2005, 06:48 PM | #

Svigor,

There is a third group of Jews in Israel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrachi_Jews#Distinguished_Mizrahi_figures

The Chairman of the UK Conservative is Baron Maurice Saatchi.

Iraqi Jews have very interesting history. I personally know two Mizrachi men (father & son) who both married Ashkenazi (French) women. The father and his wife were forced out of Iraq   and fled to Israel in the 1950s. Their son was married in Paris three days ago. I was invited, but was unable to attend due to illness and I know I missed a wonderful celebration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iraq

Pericles

Posted by Freddy on December 30, 2005, 08:08 PM | #

There is also the possibility that Old World disease had a dysgenic effect on the Amerindians.  I assume the Aztec and Inca rulers congregated in cities.  They had much more opportunity to fall to disease than the rural peasants.  This implies the remaining population has lower genetic potential for intelligence.

The surviving elements of the native ruling classes also tended to interbreed with the Spanish elite, thus any genes for superior intelligence once present in the native population are unlikely to be carried by teh kinds of people infiltrating the US today.

Posted by Metzger on December 31, 2005, 12:16 AM | #

  4. For Dr. Ray, this is a purely theoretical question. Virtually no Latin Americans are illegally immigrating to Australia. As an American, however, this is a question of massive import. Do I want to bet my country’s future based on a bunch of pyramids in Mexico?

This is the crux of the argument for me.

JJR’s assertion that it is “essentially ad hominem” is nonsense.  The argument is perfectly logical: vis-a-vis threats, false negatives are far more costly than false positives.

Maybe if JJR could see the people in question on a daily basis as we do in America, he’d take a different tack.

This does it for me, too. Everything about the behavior of Hispanics in the United States suggests that intelligence tests have correctly quantified Hispanic intellectual capacity, and that they are not the victims of culturally biased testing as you suggest.

Posted by Andrew on December 31, 2005, 09:48 AM | #

Yep, Hispanics, by Nature or breed are predominantly Left, although of Christian heritage they have by passed the civil doctrine intended and applied the typical mantra of envy in their thinking.
Using the knowledge of what religion is and the History of South America attributed by the Conquistadors, Very little is made to apply the Guilt of the actions in days gone by, they themselves contain the guilt and the traits of the active ego of Leftist.
Pinochet was the turning point, and still to this day is persecuted, in light of this: Leftist see many Hispanics as welcome victims of misery and are an asset to the plight they alone subscribe.
Don’t really like the Idea of Eating Leftists. They make me sick as it is.
I can not make a distinction of what it is that the Jewish Question is about-Theorizing and what I have read it seems that Jews that left the basic doctrine became Leftist activists and worshipped Existentialism, Christian leaders have also done this, and down the line it goes.
Brandishing names to Identify a group to my thoughts is deceptive, and when I read on what it is that caused the Ideology of envy it all comes back to the same point; Criminal Motive. The Intellectual disorder register has compounded drastically over time, although eating them is out of the question, the real threat to the Freedoms we Use to have needs to be addressed now or even Yesterday.

Posted by Andrew on December 31, 2005, 10:38 AM | #

And I would submit a radical perspective on Islam and the Quran in the same categories of Criminal motive, Even using the text the Authors used to create it: A hint and it was not God. It is all there in print, and what we know and apply that about the Mafia as a criminal organization; I find a distinctive similarity to Political leftist activism as what I would find in Criminal psychology across all fields. The same Motive and Foot print you can say, Same Ego driven conclusions, etc.
All are intending to deprive you , Con you out of something, by surrender or by force, then have a mechanism in place to exonerate them for their deed’s, That sounds like ?
Sorry a bit of the thread.

Posted by John S Bolton on January 01, 2006, 03:24 PM | #

Searching for “average income per household member by race and hispanic origin’’ one finds the offcial numbers which show hispanic incomes in the US to be less than 1/2 those of the majority. This has never happened with an ethnic group of tens of millions before, in America. The environments are not different enough to allow for other than a genetic explanation, for the greater part of the differential.