How Many Jews Died at the World Trade Center on 911?

How Many Jews Died at the World Trade Center on 911?
By
Robert E. Reis

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/31/national/portraits/31PORT.html?ex=1220587200&en=7be19a8449177745&ei=5070 

“Through today’s issue, The Times has published more than 1,800 sketches. The official count of those dead and missing in the trade center attacks stands at 2,937. Reporters have contacted, or tried to contact, relatives or friends of nearly every victim the paper was able to locate. Some have declined to give interviews; others said they were not ready to talk. (As more names become known and more families agree to interviews, the editors intend to publish additional profile pages from time to time.)”

The New York Times did not continue to add additional profiles to this series.

The New York Times series is searchable.

In order to determine how many Jewish victims appeared on the list of 1,800, I used the following search terms: Jew, Jewish, Temple, Synagogue, Israel and Mitzvah.

I then examined the resulting list of names and removed individuals who had been identified as Jewish in error.

I then search the list for the following terms: Catholic, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu and Muslim.

250 named victims resulted from using my search terms, i.e. 250 victims out of 1800 can be identified by religious affiliation.

18% of the named victims were Jewish.

82% of the named victims were not Jewish.

If we multiply 1800 by .18, we find that 324 of the listed in the New York Times were probably Jewish.

This partially confirms the information provided by the United States Department of State.

“A total of 2,071 occupants of the World Trade Center died on September 11, among the 2,749 victims of the WTC attacks. According to an article in the October 11, 2001, Wall Street Journal, roughly 1,700 people had listed the religion of a person missing in the WTC attacks; approximately 10% were Jewish. A later article, in the September 5, 2002, Jewish Week, states, “based on the list of names, biographical information compiled by The New York Times, and information from records at the Medical Examiner’s Office, there were at least 400 victims either confirmed or strongly believed to be Jewish.” This would be approximately 15% of the total victims of the WTC attacks. A partial list of 390 Cantor Fitzgerald employees who died (out of 658 in the company) lists 49 Jewish memorial services, which is between 12% and 13%.”

http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/14-260933.html

My research indicates that it is unlikely that American Jews in general were warned beforehand.

Posted by Robert Reis on Friday, September 5, 2008 at 07:17 AM in Jewish Diaspora
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Comments:

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Posted by Guessedworker on September 05, 2008, 07:56 AM | #

Given the nature of business done in the towers, I would expect that a quarter to a third of victims would be Jewish - probably higher at senior manager levels.  Perhaps the next step, Robert, is to determine the seniority of Jewish victims within their organisations, using the bios that are available.  How many senior managers died?  How many partners?  Or were they substantially lower-order employees?

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Posted by onetwothree on September 05, 2008, 08:33 AM | #

One early morning at 3 AM, Norma Goldstein received a lonely phone call. After 20 consecutive rings she finally answered:

NG: Hello?

AF: Norma, this is Ari Fleischer of the Mossad. We are coordinating an attack on your workplace tomorrow morning.
So, it would be best if you took a personal day or something.

NG: Okay, thanks. [goes back to bed, confidant that she still has enough personal days for terrorist attacks *and* spa visitations]

C’mon.

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Posted by Guessedworker on September 05, 2008, 09:10 AM | #

I agree, onetwothree.  That’s a point I made to Robert on Kerry Bolton’s conspiracy thread.  But the percentage of Jewish-American victims remains rather low, given that this is Manhattan and the financial world.  Maybe they happened to evacuate efficiently, no one knows.  But if senior managers and partners are substantially absent from the known Jewish victims that would at least keep the question alive ... as well, of course, as raise other questions.

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Posted by Lurker on September 05, 2008, 12:03 PM | #

Odigo says workers were warned of attack - Haaretz article.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID;=/has\

The question of who warned them, is answered by “someone Jewish, with foreknowledge of the coming attacks”. Obviously this someone was either (a) a mossad operative tracking the arab terrorists or high-level close associate of one, or (b) a Jew who organized the attacks.

The above article came out in October or November of 2001—I recall reading the article on the day of publication.

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Posted by JJB on September 05, 2008, 12:17 PM | #

it’s ridiculous to believe ‘jews’ were warned in advance. Israeli government linked companies? Sure. individual jews? not possible. This allegation is worthy of Al-Zawahiri or some other dumb towelhead.

There are real conspiracies / covert ethnic activism involving jews and us (as described by K.MacDonald in The Culture of Critique) but this isn’t one of them.

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Posted by Dave Johns on September 05, 2008, 12:48 PM | #

“it’s ridiculous to believe ‘jews’ were warned in advance.”

Agreed.

On a typical day, at least 50,000 people worked there, plus approximately 200,000 visitors passed through. If Jews comprised a mere 15% of those that worked at the WTC, then most of the 7,500 of them would have to have been in on the conspiracy. Furthermore, in order for the conspiracy to be successful, those participating in it would have to carry that secret information to the grave.

Human nature being what it is—hyper Jewish community cohesion notwithstanding—informs us such a massive conspiracy and its successful cover-up is not possible.

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Posted by Red Mercury on September 05, 2008, 05:32 PM | #

How many Jews died at the World Trade Center on 9/11? In light of views such as Harold Meyerson’s at the Washington Post, clearly not enough. More, please.

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Posted by Guessedworker on September 05, 2008, 05:49 PM | #

Bad joke, Red.

Dave,

The first plane hit at 8.45 am.  The financial business runs round-the-clock.  The guys who are in early tend to be the movers and shakers, not the support staff, and not visitors.  So one might expect a fair sprinkling of senior people among the victims. If senior managers and partners were represented among the Jewish victims, that’s the end of the matter.  I don’t say that they were, but it would be better to know.

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Posted by John on September 05, 2008, 11:40 PM | #

You are repeating a straw man argument originally made to deflect attention from the fact that no Israelis died in the attacks on the twin towers.

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Posted by gnome on September 06, 2008, 12:33 AM | #

it’s ridiculous to believe ‘jews’ were warned in advance. Israeli government linked companies? Sure. individual jews? not possible. This allegation is worthy of Al-Zawahiri or some other dumb towelhead.

Interesting topic. However, if one does analyze how Jews interests are promoted it’s obvious they flow along elite channels. So quite right, the information would be naturally contained within such channels.

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Posted by Takahata Joe on September 06, 2008, 01:13 AM | #

Of course they were warned beforehand!

It’s all part of the massive Jewish conspiracy, didn’t you know?

It operates out of the Zionist headquarters in Antarctica, run by Jerry Seinfeld, who alternates between comedy and seeking world domination. 

What a silly post you made here.  Weren’t warned beforehand?  Don’t make silly assertions.

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Posted by Guessedworker on September 06, 2008, 05:51 AM | #

Joe,

These are the three possibilities:-

1) The near-complete absence of Israelis killed in the attacks has a simple explanation that is not yet in the public domain.

or

2) Israelis were forewarned, and offered no such cautionary advice to their American kinfolk.

or

3) Israelis were forewarned, and offered advice on a highly confidential basis to some American kinfolk, most likely individuals of substance.

Or you could argue that plenty of Israelis were killed in the attacks, and the whole thing’s a sick sham.  In which case, please name them.

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Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on September 06, 2008, 11:01 AM | #

If Israelis were warned beforehand, you can be assured they were of the eminence grise type only.  Same goes for American Jews for that matter.

I like Yggdrasil’s take; the conspiracy has been to downplay Jewish suffering on 9/11, not cover up for the lack.  This makes it easier for the media to portray 9/11 as a punch to America’s breadbasket, rather than what it really was - a punch to her big Jewish nose.

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Posted by Robert Reis on September 06, 2008, 11:26 AM | #

The number of Israeli citizens who were not American citizens who were killed at the WTC has been reported as a minimum of one. The highest number I have seen reported is three.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 06, 2008, 11:31 AM | #

Whatever other proofs there are that Jewish officeworkers weren’t forewarned, the simplest and strongest is if they had been, 99% of them (and I’m sure 100%) would divulge it.  Certainly after the attack, they would.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 06, 2008, 11:33 AM | #

I’m talking about American Jewish officeworkers. 

(I don’t know what the issues are with any Israelis who were there, whether they were there in some special capacity, etc.)

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Posted by Marianne on September 06, 2008, 04:19 PM | #

This just won’t go away.  In addition to the “Blood Libel” we will forever be saddled with the “Tower Libel” or whatever you want to call it.  So stupid.  So sick. So sad.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 06, 2008, 04:42 PM | #

Marianne, at least Jews are permitted to argue against the Tower Libel, presenting their case, something they don’t permit Euros to do against the Holocaust Libel, a far more morally criminal libel against the German nation and people.  By the way, haven’t you heard about the latest scholarship and research that concludes the Blood Libel wasn’t a libel but true?  The best current research concludes that the Medieval and Renaissance eras in Europe and even into the modern era (if memory serves, there was one credible case as recently as the early 1800s) did indeed see cases of credible kidnapping and ritual murder of young Euro children by Jews for Jewish religious purposes.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 06, 2008, 05:02 PM | #

One scholar, a professor at a university in Israel, was forced by Jewish pressure to renounce his findings to the effect the “Blood Libel” was no libel, and halt publication of his book which as a result is hard or impossible to find.  The Jews also made it that an English translation of Solzhenitsyn’s book on the Jews couldn’t be published.  Books and research Jews don’t like they aggressively seek to suppress. 

This is the equivalent of the book-burning the Jews are always condemning the German National Socialists for.  If it was so bad then, why do the Jews do the equivalent now?

Marianne, may I ask why Jews as a race (or ethnic group, whichever you prefer) don’t permit freedom of speech once they acquire the power to influence lawmaking and legal prosecutions?  How come they so often behave like the most shocking, disgusting totalitarians?  Are Jews afraid of the truth getting out?  What truth scares them so badly?  Which truth are they afraid of getting out?  Can you cite the one piece of truth they’re most scared of, the one fragment of truth they absolutely do NOT want to become widely known? 

The Jews insist the United States is a proposition nation but clearly they don’t believe in the propositions, such as freedom of speech, on which the U.S. Second Republic (not the nation but the Second Republic) was founded.  (The nation has been here since Plymouth Rock and Jamestown, is racial in part, and is not going anywhere:  it’s here to stay and the Jews will not be able to immigration it out of racial existence — a racial core will remain and will reconstitute the whole better than ever.) 

Are the Jews going to permit freedom of speech and freedom of thought at some future time, or are we stuck in our present brutal Jewish totalitarian thought-control lockdown until such time in the future as Jewish power over our societies fades and we can breathe again? 

Please reply, Marianne, if you know the answers to any of these questions.  I’m sure I’m not the only one who is looking for answers.  Thank you.

Incidentally, I’m no WASP but I don’t want to live under Jewish hegemony.  Jewish hegemony is an unmitigated disaster.  I want the old WASP hegemony back (with certain WASPS, such as the Bush family, arrested and given fair trials of course).

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Posted by Dave Johns on September 06, 2008, 05:16 PM | #

“So sick.”

No, Marianne, what these people stand for is what’s really sick:


http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/lfw/images/Morris_Dees/Morris_Dees_0001.jpg

http://libcom.org/files/imagecache/thumb/files/images/library/100702ignatievnoel[1].jpg

http://www.nazis.de/inidia/susan_sontag_friedenspreis_buchhandels_2003.jpg

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/uploads/abe_foxman_claw.jpg

Top to bottom - Morris Dees, Noel Ignateive, Susan Sontag, and the big turd himslf, Abe Foxman.

I could provide thousands more, but I think you get the picture. (pun intended.)

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 06, 2008, 05:30 PM | #

Abe Foxman is a walking talking mass of seething frothing spitting twitching convulsing Euro hatred, Marianne. 

Do you have anything to say about that?  What are your own thoughts on Abe Foxman?  May we, the victims who are on the receiving end of Foxman’s pure, unsurpassed-in-world-history ethnic hate, know your thoughts?

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Posted by AZ on September 06, 2008, 05:41 PM | #

“1) The near-complete absence of Israelis killed in the attacks has a simple explanation that is not yet in the public domain.”

Barriers to entry.  To work in a company based in the World Trade Center one has to overcome barriers to entry such as English fluency, SEC or CFTC licensing, CPA licensing, have a college degree, etc.  The companies tend to be specialized in finance and finance is a regulated industry.  Israelis who come to work in New York generally go into fields with minimal barriers to entry.  They like jobs which are paid in cash.  Jobs such as working in bars and resaurants…..  btw, many Israelis who come to work in New York do so in order to avoid the draft, that is, they are 18 or 19….and haven’t yet been to college.

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Posted by remnant on September 07, 2008, 06:35 PM | #

That Israeli natonals were tipped off is a matter of public record.How far the message reached in the diaspora chain is most likely commensurate on the individuals connection to organized Israeli philanthropy/Zion collectives etc.
  I can say from experience that Wall St. Jewish execs are extremely involved in Israeli giving-and this extends to their Goyim counterparts if they want to stay in the Club.Criminal cousins Ace ( Bear Stearns) and Maurice (AIG) Greenberg are examples known for their Zionist causes.Interestingly, H. Lutnick ( Cantor CEO) was late for work on 9/11, but his brother was not- Both were absent the day of the ‘93 bombing.
  In regards to the comments above about our upstanding Israeli immigrants , I can only reply with the following:

  My personal friend who walked out of the towers from the 43rd floor was a partner with an Israeli. He had sponsored him for a Visa,along with subsequent Israelis hired at his request.I estimate the number at 10-12,several whom I had met personally.A few of these individuals had related to me some of their “extracurricular activities”- among which included assasination in various countries. To those skeptics who think that internet accounts of Sayanim are urban legend, I can only say ” stay tuned!”...In short, all the Israelis were absent on 9/11 without exception; My friend who had helped them all obtain employment and residency was left in the dark ( such a deal!) - but fortunately made it out down the stairs along with the other employees.
The memorable takeaway I have from my encounter with these Israelis is that they are not secretive or tactful at all in their demeanor. Rather ,very brazen about what they know they can get away with; here-and worldwide.
They speak very openly about their intentions with a hubris I would describe as ” drunk with power.”

At this late date,and in light of all the readily available documented evidence, I find the hesitancy to single out Jews as a danger to our existence very disconcerting.

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Posted by Robert Reis on September 08, 2008, 11:36 PM | #

Impressive article on 911 at

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/34340.html

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Posted by Robert Reis on September 11, 2008, 04:56 PM | #

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/
Gates of Vienna News Feed 9/10/2008

teacher.paris said…
Aside from Mr. Rubin getting the year wrong for the 911 events, he apparently believes that people are so naive that they believe the official narrative of 911.

It is absurd to believe that the airlines were sufficient to cause the destruction at the World Trade Center.
“If you look at footage of the fall of each Tower—footage that’s available on many sites online-you can see several phenomena that can’t be explained by the building’s potential gravitational energy. The acronym of E. P. V. S. S. helps to break down the phenomena that you can see. E for Explosiveness—the instantaneous, violent, horizontal thrust of matter at the very start of each Tower’s destruction. P for Pulverization—90,000 tons of concrete slabs in each Tower blown to 100-micron particles instantaneously. V for Velocity—steel beams shot sideways as far as 500 feet at 100-feet-per-second early in each Tower’s fall. One S for Speed—the rate at which the Towers fell, a rate close to free-fall, a rate identical for both matter falling through the footprint area of those 47 central steel columns and falling through the air outside each Tower’s footprint area. And the last S for Symmetry—each Tower plummeting straight-down like a disintegrating elevator instead of toppling as dozens of other skyscrapers have in earthquakes.” -
Don Paul

9/11/2008 3:40 AM

latté island said…
As much as I support free speech for all, the above troll is merely annoying without contributing anything to this conversation.

9/11/2008 4:33 AM

teacher.paris said…
Latté island,
Facts are stubborn things. Pity you cannot deal with them.

9/11/2008 7:21 AM

dymphna said…
teacher.paris—

Your theories remind me of the old saying: “we grow to deserve whatever it is we need to believe”.

What you describe as “facts” are simply theories. They are your particular notions, derived from the writer you quote.

Or maybe you did a first-hand inspection for months of the Ground Zero site, the crater in Pennsylvania, and the destruction at the Pentagon? At the very least, this up close investigation must have taken you more than a year, right?

The collapse of the Towers was not “instantaneous”, as you claim. Nor do your theories address what happened in D.C. and Pennsylvania, not to mention all the ancillary evidence left by the 9/11 murderers…going all the way back to Germany, where they began plotting this.

Latté Island is correct: you are being annoying. If you continue on this subject, I’ll delete any further comments. We don’t need or want troofer material degrading the comments section of our blog.

I have seen other bloggers tell you this and so I will add my voice to the chorus—go get your own blog. You can build your cloud castles there.

You’re free to believe that little gremlins lurking in the basements of the Twin Towers set off explosives. Whatever makes your clock tick…Just don’t indulge those fantasies out loud on this blog again.

No more comments about the Twin Towers. None. Nada.

Consider yourself warned, teach.

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Posted by Guessedworker on September 11, 2008, 06:07 PM | #

If it wasn’t Muslims, Muslims, Muslims all the way, where would Dymphna and Commander Bodi-whatever be?  You were attacking their reason for existing, Robert.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 11, 2008, 06:28 PM | #

Well said by Guessedworker just above.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 11, 2008, 06:41 PM | #

No, I for one am not into alternative explanations of 9-11 (like James Kalb, and unlike Paul Craig Roberts, I see no solid reason, so far, to doubt the standard version) but GW’s comment about Baron

Oddity

Baron

Nullity

Baron

Irrelevancy

Baron (what was his name again?) and their site was a bullseye.

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Posted by Othelma_Jr on September 13, 2008, 06:27 AM | #

The Odigo stuff convinces me that something is going on here.

When one considers that the jewish-zionists (who were working with Adolf Eichmann) were more then willing to let half of Europes jews die in the holocaust as motivation to get the other half to move to Israel then it becomes clear that jews will let other jews die to further the goals of their Group Evolutionary Strategy.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 13, 2008, 09:08 AM | #

“the jewish-zionists (who were working with Adolf Eichmann) were more then willing to let half of Europes jews die in the holocaust”  (—Othelma Jr.)

Neither Eichmann nor Jabotinsky was aware of a German plan to kill Jews.  Maybe that’s because there wasn’t any, just a plan, starting in 1942, to put lots of them in camps as Roosevelt put lots of Japs, Germans, and Italians in camps with no plan to kill them.  Lots of Jews in the camps ended up dying of unplanned disease and unplanned starvation.  Lots of Japs, Germans, and Italians would’ve ended up the same way — dead of starvation or disease, or walking skeletons — had the U.S. been as pulverized as Germany was by war’s end.  It happened in the Revolutionary War (notorious Brit POW camp in Manhattan took able-bodied young men in, and turned them into corpses or walking skeletons), it happened in Lincoln’s War of Northern Aggression (Andersonville in Dixie and, to some extent, Elmira in the North’s New York State), it happened in the Boer War (Boer men, women, and children plus lots of Negro natives starved to death and killed by disease in Brit camps), it happened in the Jewish-conceived Soviet Russian concentration camps from 1917 onward, it happened in the WW-II Jap POW camps (U.S. and British men turned into skeletons and corpses from disease and starvation):  starving human skeletons walking around or just barely, and dropping like flies of disease.  It’s a prison camp phenomenon in wartime or other times of extreme hardship and penury such as under Jewish bolshevism, not a Nazi phenomenon.

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Posted by Robert Reis on September 13, 2008, 12:04 PM | #

Some light reading for Fred,

250+ 9/11 ‘Smoking Guns’ Found in the Mainstream Media
http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html

THE TOP 40
REASONS TO DOUBT THE OFFICIAL STORY OF SEPTEMBER 11th, 2001
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646

The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie
by Dr. David Ray Griffin
Sunday, May 22, 2005

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404

Cheers,

Robert

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Posted by Against you racists on September 23, 2008, 03:41 PM | #

I would like to point out to you fucking kkk trash that if you want 2 be hacked,keep running your mouths.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 23, 2008, 04:06 PM | #

What’s the matter, can’t you best us in an argument, “Against you racists”?  Why the strong-arm tactics?  We ask only to be allowed to speak.  Your side doesn’t think we should be allowed to speak.  Oh right, I forgot, that’s why we’re the “Nazis” and “fascists” and totalitarians, we ask only to be allowed to speak.  And that’s why you guys are the nice guys, the “democrats,” the ones who “respect everyone’s rights,” you want to suppress, you want to shut down, you want to muzzle, you want to punish.  Right, we’re the “Nazis, “fascists,” and “totalitarians,” and you’re the “nice guys.”  Yeah.  I think I’ve got it now, I think I’ve got how the game is played.  It’s all starting to fall into place.

In more ways than one.

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Posted by EA (European American) Steve on September 23, 2008, 11:53 PM | #

I would like to point out to you fucking kkk trash that if you want 2 be hacked,keep running your mouths.

Posted by Against you racists on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 at 07:41 PM | #

I don’t agree with everything posted/commented on this site, however, I believe in the right to free speech. I think it’s inappropriate to threaten to hack a website just because you don’t agree with the content therein. It also provides ammunition, for your opponents, making you the ‘bad guy.’

I also realize the KKK is officially anti-Semetic at this time; however, I don’t believe the Klan should concern itself with anti-Jewish issues. A Klan purist should and would agree with me. I also don’t support violence (with the Birmingham bombing of 4 black girls at Sunday school as a prime example).

Aside from that, I have no KKK connection, and find such a link a fallacy.

This site has not broken any federal and/or state laws, and/or local ordinaces, and therefore has the right to free speech. Hacking, on the other hand, is illegal, and open to prosecution.

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Posted by benny on September 24, 2008, 05:01 AM | #

Dude, let me guess. Half Jewish, half islander? The idea is to get the jewish brains and the islander brawn—not the other way around ( sucker).

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Posted by Maccabeus on April 13, 2009, 01:53 AM | #

Scrooby, you know your stuff, my man. You have obviously been reading vast quantities of pseudo-science and revisionist history. Look, I’m sorry that you never got into a decent college where you could learn about actual history, and I am similarly sorry that your girlfriend left you for a Jewish guy, but really, must you throw in with the Nazi-sympathizer baloney just to get even with the world?  You are a sad little man.

BTW, when I went to the recent Jewish World Domination Meeting your name came up, congratulations, the committe has voted you douche-bag of the year.

P.S. Yer a big dummy but I love you. Gimme hug, papa bear wants to get his paws on you.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 13, 2009, 09:23 AM | #

If it’s all so straightforward, Maccabeus, why the need for the Jewish lockdown on discussions of it by scholars in Europe?  Why can’t it be openly discussed, debated, and disputed like any other subject in world history?  When officialdom forbids the open expression of certain points of view, the sole permitted point of view clearly is at least suspect as to its veracity, no?  In this case a little more investigation is all that’s needed to conclude, at a minimum, the evidence “supporting” the officially-permitted view turns out not to exist, and when you get somewhat further into it, the evidence showing it couldn’t have happened is persuasive.  And what does the other side offer in rebuttal to that?  Lockdown.

Who are the biggest Holocau$t deniers?  The Jews.  By imposing this Jewish lockdown on scholarly inquiry and free speech and debate they are doing the equivalent of shouting out to the whole world that they have something to hide:  the Holocau$t didn’t happen as claimed.

The Jewish-imposed punishment of divergent opinion among scholars in Europe was what got me initially skeptical of the official story.  Who, therefore, got me skeptical?  Who gave me the first hints the story might not be true?  The Jews.  I believed it before the Jews started getting people thrown into jail.  Then I began to be more open to the expression of doubts about it.

Don’t attack me, Maccabeus.  Attack the Jewish totalitarians for spilling the beans.

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Posted by Lurker on April 13, 2009, 10:18 AM | #

Fred, half the time I dont know whether its even worth bothering to debate with these kinds of mouth breathers. You’re worth a thousand of them. Even that idiot Sarah Briggs from Durban was more of an opponent - thats not saying much though!

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Posted by Jericho Falls on April 13, 2009, 11:15 PM | #

People like you drop your “heavily researched” studies with ignorance as to where all of the proof of the holocaust exists…in the Nazi archives. The Third Reich was great at many things: making the trains run on time, the wholesale slaughter of innocent civillians, and record keeping. More than 50 million pages of documentation exist detailing the holocaust. And these documents contain the proof of not just Jewish deaths, but of gays, political prisoners, etc. There is no shortage of proof. On top of that we have films, photos, eye witness accounts of prisoners, guards, townsfolk, and allied soldiers. You think the men of Easy comp[any lied about the camp they liberated?

It boils down to the same things Maccabeus said, you are simply a slob with a problem with Jewish people. And that’s your right. You can be hateful, you can be prejudiced, and you can spread lies all you want; the consensus of the world remains intact, the holocaust was very real and was indeed a genocide.

BTW…check out 60 Minutes, they did a huge piece on Nazi archives recently.

Am Yisrael Chai

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 14, 2009, 12:18 AM | #

The standard claim is six million Jews were murdered by the Germans, gas chambers were used, and there was a German plan to kill Europe’s Jews.  The best available evidence fails to support those claims:  in particular, there were no gas chambers for killing people and nobody was killed in a gas chamber.  The number of Jews who died directly as a result of being interned in concentration camps (none were gassed) or who were shot down in massacres by local anti-communist militias as the Germans advanced eastward, liberating suffering Christian populations from the Jewish (Bolshevik) yoke as they advanced, was in the low hundreds-of-thousands, not six million.  If there’s a dispute as to any of this, the Jews and communists( * ) should agree to the rescinding of the various Jewish-instigated laws in Canada and Continental Europe that forbid questioning the standard version so scholars can debate it thoroughly.  As things stand, scholars are afraid to engage in open debate, out of fear of being heavily fined or jailed by the Jews.
______

( *  Laurent Fabius, of the Stalinist “Fabius-Gayssot Law” in France outlawing all questioning of the standard version of the Holocau$t, was a Jew, and Gayssot a communist.)

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Posted by Jericho Falls on April 14, 2009, 12:42 AM | #

THANK YOU. I was wondering what particular brand of fake information you were quoting and now I see that it is the same old crap that has been recirculated and re-packaged for years. No Jews were gassed, germans liberated Christians in Russia, etc. Same tired anti-semtic material from a coward.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 14, 2009, 07:30 AM | #

What determines whether it’s crap or not is free scholarly debate.  You and I aren’t chemical engineers or university professors of history — why are real chemical engineers and real university professors of history forbidden to open their mouths on this subject?  Why are some dozens of men crushed by heavy fines, legal debts, and loss of livelihood, or actually rotting in jail right now as we speak, even extradited from foreign countries they had fled to for protection, for daring to question the standard story?  Why are an unknown number of others afraid to enter the discussion for fear of what the Jewish totalitarians will do to them and their families?  What are the Jews afraid of if the standard story is so “obviously true”?  Are men thrown in jail for saying the world is flat or the moon made of green cheese?  Why won’t the Jews permit scholarly debate to take place in Continental Europe or Canada?  I keep waiting for you to reply that it’s not the Jews who’ve instigated the laws punishing free debate in this matter, so that I can move on to the next step, but you won’t reply to that particular part, whether by denying Jewish culpability or otherwise.  What’s the answer?  Why the Jewish lockdown?  I’m a “coward” for calling for an end to the lockdown and open inquiry, yet the Jews are brave for stifling all that?

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 14, 2009, 08:00 AM | #

Winning arguments for your side is no longer as easy as trotting out the tired, meaningless, ineffectual and increasingly ignored “anti-Semitic” riposte, by the way — once an immediate show-stopper, today it’s become a yawn.  Any other arrows in your quiver?

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Posted by Jericho Falls on April 14, 2009, 11:17 PM | #

You want so badly for me to address your claim of a “Jewish Lockdown” on holocaust denialism. I have not responded because it is tantamount to you asking me to explain why the tooth fairy won’t give the Easter Bunny a free toothbrush…it is meaningless to me. I do not care if there is a lockdown or not, I am arguing that you and all other denialists are idiots and, yes indeed, anti-semitic. Now you seem to have a beef with that word so let’s just say “ignorant bigot” instead. And why?  Because you, like many caucasian Europeans and some North Americans of anglo-Christian descent cannot stand it when another group of caucasians has a unique identity different from yours which they value, defend, and whose history they hold sacred. Likewise you are so insecure in you life that you believe that anyone who has ties to places that you do not is suspect of treachery.

By the way, the United States has absolutely no limit on what people can say regarding the holocaust AND the stiffest anti-Nazi laws are in Germany and Austria where NO Jews run the government…know why, becuase they were all murdered. The laws come from gentiles who want their country to be a moral one. The problem with your argument is that it holds no water. There is no Zionist conspiracy secretly trying to discredit you, instead it is an overwheliming deluge of genuine data coupled with governments dedicated to never again repeating the crimes of their past.

But hey, scream all you like about this, you might as well also rave about how creationism should be taught in public schools, how the moon landing was probably faked, and how Sonny Liston was never hit by Mohammed Ali.

By the way…everyone knows you’re an anti-semite and it is sad.

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Posted by Lurker on April 14, 2009, 11:48 PM | #

Come on Jericho, dont just toss away a passing reference to 60 Minutes. Lets have a handy link to these extensive Nazi era records on-line, the ones that prove the holocaust.

Why is that the 6 million death toll is said to be derived - insofar as its derived from any evidence at all - from crudely comparing pre and post WW2 census figures rather than any reference to the extensive records?

On top of that we have films, photos, eye witness accounts of prisoners, guards, townsfolk, and allied soldiers.

Im not aware we have any photos and films at all. Tell us where these films and photos can be seen then.

More than 50 million pages of documentation exist detailing the holocaust

I presume thats a reference to the ITS archive at Bad Arolsen in Germany. Its funny, we dont hear a whole lot about that now, the archive was going to prove the holocaust story.

Check out this story about the archive Jericho. I choose it because its replicated more than once across the internet.

Here is a little gem:

At the heart of the long dispute over Bad Arolsen is the question of whether the facility is an archive or a tracing service. It started as the latter. As the war was winding down, starting in 1943, the Red Cross collected millions of documents seized by the Nazis.

Get this, the Nazis are in the middle of industrialized mass-murder and what do they do? Hand over their records to the Red Cross. Because they thought they would win the war? Funny, the article actually says the war was winding down - and not in Germany’s favour.

This next one is a classic, I remember the BBC featured this exact same story (with the same omissions) when the archives were opened.

Forty-eight people were shot at two-minute intervals on April 20, 1942-a present to Hitler on his birthday. “Anyone else would have just shot them and buried them in a mass grave,” Jost says, sliding the cabinet closed. “Not the SS. They wrote it all down.”

Not pleasant, but what they dont add is that these were not Jews. They were captured Yugoslav partisans who, under the terms of the GC, could be shot as unlawful combatants or whatever the precise terms are. So, not proof of genocide, not proof of the holocaust. Why, out of these millions of pieces of documentary proof could they not come up with a single solid holocaust story. Arrest, deportation, incarceration and final murder of at least one Jewish victim.

So far, two thirds of the archive has been scanned. Yet genealogists and historians hoping for quick answers may be in for a letdown.

Whats this, quick answers. But these records prove the holocaust. Surely reputable researchers have already been through all these records, if they have not then what have they been using as proof in the meantime? The article makes more than one reference to the various bureaucratic problems of the archive. Yet these problems must have been surmounted decades ago when the records were used to prove the holocaust.

See, if this archive is the proof of the holocaust then that kind of implies that, prior to 2007 (when the archive was opened to a wider oversight) the holocaust was not satisfactorily proven. If the holocaust is already proven (with what evidence?) then the archive merely counts as further corroboration, so why the fuss when it was opened up?

Though the Nazis were enthusiastic recordkeepers, their crimes took place in more than a dozen countries, and victims spoke every language on the continent. The ITS has 849 different spellings of the name “Abramovich” alone. Even birthdates are unreliable. “People lied about their birthdays to seem older so they could survive selections at Auschwitz,” notes Gabriele Wilke, an ITS archivist.

So, not quite the rigorous records we have been led to believe and what are the chances these inaccuracies might drop the total below 6 million rather than increase it? I’m not holding my breath.

The article pegs itself to the story of the Mayer family and ends with this:

But, disappointingly, the file doesn’t include any information on deaths, only deportations. “I was hoping to find out when they died, what was the cause of death,” Mayer says. “This doesn’t give me the closure I was looking for.”

Oh dear, so after all that build up we end up with no iron clad proof at all.

He might, however, have made a grim guess. Belzec, a German concentration camp in what is now southeastern Poland, was one of the Nazis’ most efficient killing machines. Between March 17, 1942, and December 1942, at least half a million Jews were gassed and incinerated there, usually within hours of their arrivals.

So 50 million records and we just end up with grim guesses, not very convincing to historians I would have thought.

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Posted by Lurker on April 14, 2009, 11:58 PM | #

We cross posted each other there Jericho.

When I first heard the idea of the Apollo hoax I read up on the moon landings, its one of the first times I really used the internet to research something. The more I read, the more I was convinced there was no moon hoax. The standard story is more or less correct.

When the time came to look into the holocaust I thought it would be the same. The deniers were a bunch of nutters with no consistent evidence. But this time, the more I looked, the more it seemed that it was conventional narrative that relied on very weak foundations. In evidential terms Holocaust believers seem to equate to moon landing hoaxers, the opposite of what you implied.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 15, 2009, 12:16 AM | #

Jericho Falls can’t say why there’s a Jewish lockdown on scholarly inquiry.  He can’t face the fact of its existence.  He’s in the Jewish “Just-Deny-Everything” mode, the Jewish “Deny-Two-Plus-Two-If-You-Have-To,-Whatever-You-Do,-Just-Don’t-Admit-Anything-To-The-Goys” mode.  You’ll never get them to admit anything when they’re in that mode.

As for Jewrmany, it’s a puppet state under U.S. control and not sovereign.  The U.S. would not tolerate an anti-race-replacement government there (put another way, an anti-“Jews Will Think They’ve Died And Gone To Jew-Heaven” government).

As for there being no Jews there, there are enough of them to make trouble and to push for German annihilation and their number is growing (Jewish guys just can’t keep away from those German shiksas). 

“everyone knows you’re an anti-semite”  (—Jericho)

“Everyone”?  I thought only the people here knew.  My fifteen minutes of fame has finally arrived!

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 15, 2009, 12:38 AM | #

“it is an overwhelming deluge of genuine data coupled with governments dedicated to never again repeating the crimes of their past.”  (—Jericho)

There is no data supporting the existence of gas chambers that were used for killing people.  As Robert Faurisson said, “Show me firm documentation that one person was killed in a gas chamber.  I don’t want documentation that two people were killed in a gas chamber, only that one was.  Just one.  Show me evidence that one person was killed in a gas chamber.”

There is no firm evidence:  zero.

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Posted by 6 million, 6 million...rinse, repeat on April 15, 2009, 04:03 AM | #

Hey Jericho, did you know that 6 million Jews died (or supposedly were on the verge of dying) in World War One (again, that’s WW1…NOT WW2) PLUS the 6 million that were gassed by the Nazis.  I know it’s the truth ‘cause a the governor of New Yawk told me so way back in 1919!  See, look:

- http://www.scribd.com/doc/6961043/The-Six-Million-Dead-Jews-of-World-War-One

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Posted by Maccabeus on April 15, 2009, 11:57 PM | #

Found a funny pic of Faurisson ! http://www.erichufschmid.net/MasqueradeParty/Faurisson1989.JPG Looks like he had quite a night. That cut-up, he’s always getting slapped like a step child.

Of course the Faurisson bit regarding the gas chambers is tired and played, Van Pelt’s real research dispelled Faurisson’s fairy tales long ago. Not that it matters, the pseudo-historians of the so-called Journal of Historical Review will make up something else. But really, it is silly to argue, the evidence, as you all know is there, it is solid, it has been painstakingly researched and critiqued, and it has established historical fact. And there is no purpose in a debate as the facts are facts. Deborah Lipstadt and so many others have routed Irving and all the other bigots (like you girls !).

Of course it is hard to really debate any of this with denialists since, like all conspiracy theorists, you’ll always find new ways of explaining away the overwhelming consensus of historians. The best choice is ultimately not to debate at all, afterall an astronomer (like myself) would never debate an astrologer over the stars.

I just can’t help wondering why you are so afraid of Jewish people. I feel bad, it must be tough being so scared. Poor sad girls, you lose…again (first 1945 and now this, it’s pathetic).

Now off you go, those hamburgers ain’t gonna flip themselves !

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 01:03 AM | #

“it is silly to argue [whether or not the Holocau$t happened as claimed], the evidence, as you all know is there, it is solid, it has been painstakingly researched and critiqued, and it has established historical fact. And there is no purpose in a debate as the facts are facts.”  (—Jericho)

This is what all Jewish totalitarians say as they justify the muzzling of debate.  The Jewish Bolsheviks were masters at it.  The problem with Jews is they’re not white — they’re not racially European.  They’re racial Asiatics with the Asiatic totalitarian mentality, a mentality incapable of grasping the concept of freedom of speech.  Only whites (Euros) are mentally and spiritually equipped to grasp that concept.  A Jew pictures freedom of speech as something he can perhaps use cynically to his advantage, or to leverage himself into power, and then shut down the instant he’s powerful enough.  That’s unfortunately how Jews think.  They spit on the principle of freedom of speech.

“an astronomer (like myself)”

Are you the one who first sighted the space ship travelling behind the comet Hale-Bopp?

“I just can’t help wondering why you are so afraid of Jewish people.”

Stumped?  OK, here’s a hint — What about their well-known penchant for subjecting Euro-race peoples to genocide?  Think that might — just might — explain it?  I dunno, it just popped into my head, I know it’s far-fetched, but just call it a hunch ......

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 01:17 AM | #

You’re Jewish I take it, right Jericho?  What’s your opinion of race-replacement immigration?

(Wow I cannot possibly imagine what this Jewish guy’s answer will be ..... Puh-leeze hurry up and answer — I’m on tenterhooks waiting to find out ..........)

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 01:20 AM | #

(After that we can ask his opinion on whether races exist — another HUGE unknown, given his ethnicity ......)

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Posted by Maccabeus on April 16, 2009, 01:46 AM | #

Asiatics ?  Dude…now you’re just being a grouchy loser. I have to say that made me laugh outloud.

First, who uses the term"Asiatics”? What is this, 1920 ? Of course you wish it was 1920, then you’d have the holocaust to look forward to. Of course you claim there was no holocaust so your party would be kind of ruined. Bummer. Anyway, Asiatics is not the correct nomenclature, please, it’s Asian (or in my country Asian-American).

Second, calling Jews “Asian” is an insult ?  That’s not an insult, Asian people are great, if you don’t know that then you are missing out on some cool friends. Of course Asians are not “white” so they would not meet your metric for acceptable.

Third, your true bigotted anti-semitic colors came through brilliantly with those comments. You and your ilk try to hide your low-IQ racism behind the veil of The Journal of Historical Review; you try to make it about “truth”, “revsionism”, “scientific fact”, and “evidence-based research.” But truth be told, you’re just some dumb piece of Euro-Trash one generation removed from mouth-breathing neandethal (not to be confused with the millions of delightful and intelligent Europeans that we Americans know and love) who is, as you confessed (albeit in a confusing and ass-backwards way), desperately afraid of Jews (and now “Asiatics”). Hey, we haven’t covered black people yet, let’s hear how they are trying to steal your women and dilute your “white” blood from the population. 

But hey, rejoice, at least you are “white” and “Euro”. Sad little king of a sad little hill.

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Posted by danielj on April 16, 2009, 05:41 AM | #

Found a funny pic of Faurisson ! http://www.erichufschmid.net/MasqueradeParty/Faurisson1989.JPG Looks like he had quite a night. That cut-up, he’s always getting slapped like a step child.

I believe the term, in the parlance of our times, is “assaulted” or if you prefer a lengthier, and closer to your ideological end of the spectrum, description of what occurs, “he’s always having his human right to free speech and free thought trampled upon by left-fasicsts” or to get down to brass tacks, hateful, hate-filled haters are hating on him.

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Posted by danielj on April 16, 2009, 05:44 AM | #

You and your ilk try to hide your low-IQ racism

If I have a high IQ is it still “low IQ racism” dude?

Hey, we haven’t covered black people yet, let’s hear how they are trying to steal your women and dilute your “white” blood from the population.

What if they are? Can we hate them then?

But hey, rejoice, at least you are “white” and “Euro”. Sad little king of a sad little hill.

That just about says it all. You’re either Jewish (the name) or self-loathing - or - Jewish and self-loathing. All three make me cringe when taken in conjunction with your hatred for me and my kind.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 07:23 AM | #

The thugs who savagely beat Prof. Faurisson weren’t generic “leftists,” they were a pack of specifically Jewish hyenas.  Jews, by the way, aren’t “leftists.”  They’re Jews.  They use “leftism” when it suits their Jewish purposes then discard it when it doesn’t.  To see them as “leftists” you have to see them as having a lot of double standards.  To see them as Jews you don’t, but can see them as perfectly consistent.

Jews are Jews, not this Jewish-invented-and-pushed term, “leftists.”  The whole “right-left” thing has to be scrapped, and the sooner the better for our side.  We are not “right-wingers” whatsoever, and there’s nothing called “conservatism.”  There’s normalness, degenerateness, and tribal warfare.  That’s it.  Those are the three things that explain what’s going on.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 07:43 AM | #

This Jericho guy may not be Jewish.  I’m getting the feeling he isn’t — maybe Subcon?  Oriental?  He’s also not the brightest bulb on the

tree

Hanukkah bush.

Notice how under Moslem hegemony you aren’t permitted to question Mohammed and under Jewish hegemony you aren’t permitted to question the Holocau$t.  The Arabs and Jews are racial cousins, both utterly clueless in regard to the concept of freedom of speech.  That concept is a racial thing, Jews wouldn’t understand.  A Jewish or Arab Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton never existed or ever could exist:  it’s a racial impossibility.  Neither Jews nor Arabs are racially capable of creating a society like the U.S. was until the Jews ruined it.  Jews and Arabs are not racially capable of creating a society in which Euro-race peoples want to live or can live.  Euro peoples perish under Jewish hegemony.  They have to throw that hegemony off if they are to survive.

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Posted by Dasein on April 16, 2009, 07:54 AM | #

MAd beCause he CAn’t BE one of US has presented an impressive defense of the official narrative.  It’s a fact because it’s a fact.  Who can argue with that?  Stargazer’s got an overwhelming consensus and Jewish-promoted stereotypes to fall back on.

Jews are Jews, not this Jewish-invented-and-pushed term, “leftists.” The whole “right-left” thing has to be scrapped, and the sooner the better for our side.  We are not “right-wingers” whatsoever, and there’s nothing called “conservatism.” There’s normalness, degenerateness, and tribal warfare.  That’s it.  Those are the three things that explain what’s going on.

To some degree we are conservatives.  We want to conserve our genetic heritage (and the world’s genetic diversity).  But is that worth the label?  If I want to prevent the neighbours from making off with my car and refrigerator, would that also be ‘conservative’?  No, I think you’re right Fred.  There are normal people (us), degenerates (Whites who promote or blithely accept their replacement), and tribal warriors (Norbert Schlei et al.).

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Posted by . on April 16, 2009, 08:51 AM | #

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 11:43 AM | #

Notice how under Moslem hegemony you aren’t permitted to question Mohammed


The Holy Qur’an > Surah Al-Baqarah> Verse 23
And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (if there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true. 

The Holy Qur’an > Surah Yunus> Verse 38
Or do they say, “He forged it?” Say: “Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!” 

The Holy Qur’an > Surah Al-Israa> Verse 88
Say: “If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur-an they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support. 

Quran[2:256]{There is no compulsion in religion},

What then is the matter with you; how do you judge?” [Holy Quran 10:35].

LOL

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Posted by . on April 16, 2009, 08:57 AM | #

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 11:43 AM | #

Notice how under Moslem hegemony you aren’t permitted to question Mohammed


Sura Kafirun

(Disbelievers)

No. 109 (Verses 1-6)

1. Say: O you disbelievers,

2. I worship not what you worship,

3. Nor do you worship Whom I worship,

4. Neither shall I worship what you worship,

5. Nor will you worship Whom I worship,

6. To you be your religion, and to me my religion.

grin

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 09:18 AM | #

Yeah when they’ve got you in your day-glo orange jumpsuit kneeling with hands tied behind your back, their cams recording the scene for posting next day on the internet, and they’ve got their knives out to start sawing your head off, don’t forget to remind them of those verses from the Koran, that’ll save you for sure, no sweat!  If only some of those guys who ended up headless on next day’s YouTube had known about that!  Bummer!  Better copy those verses down, everybody, just in case — with your president going around making low bows to Arab potentates, you never know when you’ll need ‘em .... (But hey at least he hasn’t performed the kow-tow yet, the way Clarke up in Canada literally did before that Sikh altar they set up for the purpose, so I guess things could be worse .... )

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Posted by raf on April 16, 2009, 11:33 AM | #

American government killed it’s people. A plane can not bring down a Steel tower, as an engineer , I can say.

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Posted by not sorry on April 16, 2009, 12:24 PM | #

This is what all Jewish totalitarians say as they justify the muzzling of debate.

The muzzling of debate, the changing of the story, the outrageous witness testimonies. 

Nuremberg Tribunal on Buchenwald:

Everything had been provided for down to the smallest detail. In 1944, at Buchenwald, they had even lengthened a railway line so that the deportees might be led directly to the gas chamber. Certain [of the gas chambers] had a floor that tipped and immediately directed the bodies into the room with the crematory oven.

Elie Wiesel on Buchenwald:

“In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths each day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?”

Oh, but then Simon Wiesenthal decides, just like that, apparently, “there were no extermination camps on German soil.”

And people are supposed to be “crazy” to doubt the rest of what’s shoved down their throats?  No.  That won’t do.  It’s too much.  It’s insufferable.

The Jewish Bolsheviks were masters at it.  The problem with Jews is they’re not white — they’re not racially European.  They’re racial Asiatics with the Asiatic totalitarian mentality, a mentality incapable of grasping the concept of freedom of speech. 

Well, okay, but then doesn’t that say something about you?  Going by your own logic, it’s got to say something doesn’t it? 

And don’t you ever think about who you’re dealing with?  People who quote favorably people who said things like “Suppose that the Jews’ characteristically big lie were the truth—that the Germans really had made a desperate attempt to rid themselves of their parasites by killing six million of them. If the Germans had done that, what of it? Why should Aryans be concerned about that effort at national sanitation?”  Being an Aryan means never having to say you’re sorry, or even feel it, it seems. That fellow quoting Revilo Oliver is apparently a professor at a US university.  Pretty intense, eh?  But then if you think about it, out of, say, fifty million nordic adult males in the US, if even only one in one hundred thousand had racial feelings this intense (a safe bet for sure), a few dozen of them would be intelligent enough to be professors, who’d then write articles for publications like the Occ Quarterly bemoaning the difficulty of getting the other 49,599,500 nordic adult males to feel the same way.  But why do you, a half-jew, suck up to these people?  Why do you adopt their tone, their rhetoric?  Why don’t you ever dismiss them as the scum of cosmic proportions that they are?

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 12:44 PM | #

To the poster just above:  I’m not the subject here.  Race-replacement is.  People don’t come here to read about members of the commentariat.  They come to see discussions of the issues.  That said, if I have time later I’ll reply briefly to your questions.  Right at the moment I haven’t time.

There is a race.  It’s called the white race.  It’s being aggressively race-replaced as we speak.  That sounds insane.  It happens to be true.  The prime movers are the Jews.  That also sounds insane.  It also happens to be true.  This genocide unfolding right under our noses in broad daylight has to be halted and demographic changes already inflicted undone until full restoration of the way things were.

That’s the issue.  The issue is “how to get there from here.”

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Posted by Captainchaos on April 16, 2009, 05:37 PM | #

Elie Wiesel on Buchenwald:

“In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths each day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?”

Revisionists contend the extermination of that many individuals daily, an by extension the large numbers proposed killed over the years alleged, is a feat of technical impossibility.  Elie Wiesel, who was apparently lucky nigh astronomical proportions, choose to flee with the retreating Germans (who he alleges were trying to exterminate him) instead of being “liberated” by the Russians; hmmm. 

You are not a very accomplished troll.

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Posted by Suck My Cock on April 16, 2009, 08:38 PM | #

Alley the Wesel should be put to death.  As should all jew niggers who dare to blood-libel our people.  Death to USJOG!

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Posted by Suck My Cock on April 16, 2009, 08:48 PM | #

There is a race.  It’s called the white race.  It’s being aggressively race-replaced as we speak.  That sounds insane.  It happens to be true.  The prime movers are the Jews.  That also sounds insane.  It also happens to be true.  This genocide unfolding right under our noses in broad daylight has to be halted and demographic changes already inflicted undone until full restoration of the way things were.
>Scrooby-Dooby

Full restoration might not be possible without extreme violence.  And I urge extreme violence!  “No change of place can save our race; only a change of mind can save our kind.” - R. Frenz.

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Posted by Lurker on April 16, 2009, 08:53 PM | #

But why do you, a half-jew, suck up to these people?  Why do you adopt their tone, their rhetoric?  Why don’t you ever dismiss them as the scum of cosmic proportions that they are?

So what? ‘These people’ arent in charge, they arent running things, dictating policy. If the holocaust story isnt true then ‘these people’ have never been in control. Its just talk. Actions are something else.

But another group are in control and they get to screw us over, they get to make the action, so very sorry, but they are going to have to take some crap for that every now and again.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 09:12 PM | #

”doesn’t that say something about you?”  (— the poster signing as “not sorry,” who I think is probably Silver)

It says societies created by Jewish populations won’t have certain characteristics of Euro societies which many value very highly. 

”Going by your own logic, it’s got to say something [about you] doesn’t it?”

I have some Jewish blood.  (Big deal.)  Genetics and the Law of Large Numbers dictate that a society made up of people like me will differ from one made up of Euros or one made up of Jews. 

”And don’t you ever think about who you’re dealing with?”

I’m not reponsible for the statements of others and am under no obligation, moral, intellectual, or otherwise, to go around identifying all statements by all commentators I agree with and all I disagree with.  You want to know what I think of someone’s statement?  Ask and if it’s not off-topic I’ll tell you.  I’m not the universal arbiter of statements. 

”But why do you, a half-jew, suck up to these people?  Why do you adopt their tone, their rhetoric?”

1) I suck up to no one.  I adopt no one’s tone or rhetoric.  2) I deal in truths to the best of my ability.  Does a half-Jew say 2 + 2 = 5?  Or does he say 2 + 2 = 4 like everybody else?  Truths are the same for half-Jews, for Jews, and for “these people.” 

”Why don’t you ever dismiss them as the scum of cosmic proportions that they are?”

I dunno, could it be because protesting all the shit, genocide, and crimes against humanity the Jews are constantly pulling and debunking all the lies they’re constantly telling is such a full-time job, it leaves me no extra time?

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 09:28 PM | #

“Genetics and the Law of Large Numbers dictate that a society made up of people like me will differ from one made up of Euros”  (—my last comment above)

Explanation for Silver and for those living in Rio Linda:

But I’m not seeking to preserve “a society made up of people like me”:  in 1965 when the Jews began changing this country from white to Negro it wasn’t populated by people like me.  It was populated by the people it was populated by.  I want it back.  I demand it back.  I or my descendants will have it back.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 10:36 PM | #

Lurker a few comments above makes a very good point:  the ones whose rhetoric Silver agonizes over aren’t in a position to do anything, whereas the ones whose rhetoric is just as bad — Jews who’ve come and said they want whites racially done away with (Noël Ignatiev; indirectly but nevertheless unmistakably Alon Ziv; and innumerable others) or decimated to where they are demographically too crippled to even defend themselves let alone “threaten” anyone (Earl Raab and, again, innumerable others both directly and indirectly) — the ones whose rhetoric is just as bad as what he agonizes over are actually putting their genocidal plans into effect as we speak.  Which is in more urgent need of being resisted?

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Posted by Ikale Tahi on April 16, 2009, 10:52 PM | #

Alon Ziv’s argument for interracial marriage is one that guarantees a brighter and better future for all. You should stop running away from change and instead embrace the coming together of men and women of all races and creeds. And read Ziv’s book, you will see that he has in mind what is best for us all.

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Posted by EA Steve on April 17, 2009, 12:00 AM | #

Ikale Tahi, there are so many reasons why massive racial intermixing into one Global Race is a bad idea. Firstly, Australian Aborignees, Maoris, Pygmies, and I believe Bushmen, who have very low average IQ’s, make average pure Black Africans look bright, and most African-Americans very bright. And this is a lower standard than for Hispanics, Arabs, American Indians, White Caucasians, and Asians. How would these demographic groups benefit from lower IQ’s?

Also, constant race-mixing delays evolutionary change, which is a necessity! It’s quite difficult to adapt to Ireland’s relative lack of sunlight (or in Germany, if every German “princess” wants to emulate Heidi Klum), if Europeans keep intermixing with Black Africans and Australian Aboriginees; no? Also, I don’t see how the Han Chinese are better adapted to harsh winters, if they keep intermixing with Mexicans and Peruvians!

I know we have modern technology and housing. However, that works only to an extent. Many in the North still have to deal with very cold winters, when outside or without electrical power. Many in the South still have to deal with heat and bright sunlight, when outside, in spite of Air Conditioning and Sun Lotion. These are still variable differences, even if they are slightly less different. Plus, electrical power could go out for Weeks or even months at a time. In hot August, think of a big Hurricane striking Miami and South Florida, and striking out power for weeks; or a blizzard knocking out heating in Northern Minnesota, in the middle of the cold, sub-zero winter. Electrical power and modern day conveniences are not always guaranteed.

The Western World is also de-industrializing, and is actually on pace to eventually become a part of the Third-World itself. If this trend doesn’t stop, the U.S., Canada, and Europe will eventually not be able to afford adequate air conditioning and/or heating, this century! So much for your “don’t be adapted for extremely warm or cold environments” idea!

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Posted by EA Steve on April 17, 2009, 12:14 AM | #

Also, Ikale Tahi, Biodiversity is a necessity for the Homo Sapien species, just as it is for every other species. Biodiversity helps limit the spread of Global Pandemics. Plus, if you wanted the “Human Race” (really Human Species) to survive, you want it adapted to all or at least almost all of the World’s environments, in case a major global diaster occurred. With current trends, most of the World is about to turn into a Desert and Mild Jungle (or worse)! Hereby, we would want the Blacks, Hispanics and Southeastern Asians to be around, to survive the hot environment.

And if it gets too cold, in a hypothetical Ice Age, than maybe it wouldn’t be too bad of an idea, to have Nothern Asians, Northern AmerIndians (from U.S. and Canada), and “evil” Whites still around; right? Or is that just too awful to suffer through?

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Posted by truth at last on April 17, 2009, 07:04 AM | #

I have some Jewish blood.  (Big deal.) Genetics and the Law of Large Numbers dictate that a society made up of people like me will differ from one made up of Euros or one made up of Jews. 

And that makes you a good fit for “Euro society” how exactly? 

I’m not reponsible for the statements of others and am under no obligation, moral, intellectual, or otherwise, to go around identifying all statements by all commentators I agree with and all I disagree with.

Wrong.  You very much have that obligation, just as all moral men do.

1) I suck up to no one.  I adopt no one’s tone or rhetoric. 

No, you do, I’m afraid.  You do it all the time.  As though you were afraid to contradict them.  It’s sickening.

But I’m not seeking to preserve “a society made up of people like me”:  in 1965 when the Jews began changing this country from white to Negro it wasn’t populated by people like me.  It was populated by the people it was populated by.  I want it back.  I demand it back.  I or my descendants will have it back.

What you “want back” and what they want are two very different things.  Why not wake up and realize that?  If you did that, it might (finally) dawn on you that you actually have a lot more in common with me (whom you despise) than with them (whom you idolize).

the ones whose rhetoric Silver agonizes over aren’t in a position to do anything,

For now.  But if they were, do you doubt for one second that they’d do it?  This isn’t some gutter screamer like Gudmund or the other trash that periodically pops up here, Scrooby.  These are highly intelligent men.  And I have every reason to believe they’d carry out their threats.  Just stop and think about it for a second: the Germans didn’t kill six million Jews, but if they did, what of it?  It would’ve been a mighty fine thing.  And if it was a mighty fine thing then it’s a might fine thing now.  This is a lot more serious than just calling people names.  These people are scum, Scrooby.  And if you don’t distance yourself from them it means you acquiesce to their program, which makes you unutterable scum too.

the ones whose rhetoric is just as bad as what he agonizes over are actually putting their genocidal plans into effect as we speak.  Which is in more urgent need of being resisted?

If you “resist” properly you avoid both simultaneously. 

Crapandchaos,

Revisionists contend the extermination of that many individuals daily, an by extension the large numbers proposed killed over the years alleged, is a feat of technical impossibility.  Elie Wiesel, who was apparently lucky nigh astronomical proportions, choose to flee with the retreating Germans (who he alleges were trying to exterminate him) instead of being “liberated” by the Russians; hmmm.

Er, yeah, dude, that was kind of my point, that Wiesel and the Nuremberg prosecutor who produced the Buchenwald “evidence” were full of shit—that there never were any gas chambers at Buchenwald is part of official holocaust history.

EA Steve,

Is that you, EA (European American) Steve?  You didn’t say, so I’m not sure whether it’s the other EA Steve.  Anyway, that was the worst argument against mixing I’ve ever read.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 17, 2009, 10:03 AM | #

”And that makes you a good fit for ‘Euro society’ how exactly?”  (—Silver, returning under other names, exactly as I predicted)

The race-replacement crisis which I come here to discuss and protest involves not a tiny trickle of immigration of the unlike here and a tiny trickle there.  There’s always been that, and it’s non-demography-changing (which is why the Jews found it unsatisfactory:  it didn’t change demography).  The race-replacement crisis involves wholesale population transfers of the racially unlike.  It’s a crisis of numbers, not individuals. 

Look, do you understand the difference between, let’s say, putting salt on your food and putting food on your salt?  Do you sit down every morning to a plate of scrambled eggs with a little salt sprinkled on top or to a plate of salt with a little scrambled egg sprinkled on top?  Do you have a cup of tea with a spoon of sugar added or a cup of sugar with a spoon of tea added?  Can you grasp the difference?  It wouldn’t seem so.  How about the difference between a little and a lot?  Can you grasp that?  Do you understand the difference between drinking a glassfull of water and drinking an Olympic-size swimming pool full of water?

If one Negro were like a glass of water, what we’re getting — what the Jews are shoving down our throats, in other words — is tens of thousands of swimming pools poured down our throats.  Can you see the difference between one glass of water being poured down someone’s throat and tens of thousands of swimming pools being poured down his throat?

Wait, let’s make this simple:  do you understand the difference between, let’s say, the number one and the number one billion?  The difference between letting one Negro immigrate to your country and letting one billion immigrate?  See any difference there?  It’s OK, I’ll wait ……………………..

”No, you do, I’m afraid.  You do it all the time.  As though you were afraid to contradict them.  It’s sickening.”

I haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.

”What you ‘want back’ and what they want are two very different things. “

They were never consulted in plain language before the Jews, crony capitalists, and clueless women voters (“Jews” for short) changed them into Negroes.  I have no doubt they’d like to change back.

”For now.  But if they were, do you doubt for one second that they’d do it?”

I’ll worry about Euros who want to kill six million Jews when the time comes.  Right now I’m worried about Jews who don’t just want to kill every Euro on the planet but have actually begun.  See the difference?  When a man is actively in the process of murdering you is not the time to direct your attention to some other man who might be contemplating murdering the one who is trying to murder you. 

Now Silver, please, no more of your crap.  I thought we were through with your nonsense.  Weren’t you going away?  What happened to that?  We were all so happy, now we’re all so disappointed.

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Posted by Gold on April 17, 2009, 11:36 AM | #

White Supremacy is the tool of Satan. Your ideas and your efforts are on his behalf. Fear not minorities, fear the Lord, for he is who we all shall stand before to be judged and your devilish work will serve you not in his court of eternal justice. I pray for all of you, that your souls may find love and peace and so join the righteous in His kingdom.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 17, 2009, 12:39 PM | #

“White Supremacy is the tool of Satan.”  (—Fool’s Gold)

Good thing we’re not white supremacists then.

“Your ideas and your efforts are on his behalf.”

Satan’s behalf?  Can’t be:  with him backing us we’d actually be getting somewhere.

“Fear not minorities”

Not even if it’s two in the morning and you’re walking down the street in a Negro neighborhood?

“fear the Lord, for he is who we all shall stand before to be judged”

As long as he doesn’t vote Democrat I think I might have a chance.

“and your devilish work will serve you not in his court of eternal justice.”

But we haven’t gotten any devilish work accomplished yet.  We’ve got plenty in mind but let’s wait until we actually do something!

“I pray for all of you, that your souls may find love and peace and so join the righteous in His kingdom.”

OK but do you mind if we get race-replacement straightened out before we get to that stage?

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Posted by Scooby Fred on April 17, 2009, 01:45 PM | #

but we haven’t gotten any devilish work accomplished yet.

-Fred Scrooby

Yeah but your mom has, she had that nine-month long defecation that was devil-inspired (a.k.a. Your Birth).

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 17, 2009, 01:51 PM | #

Boy, judging by the number of my enemies it looks as if we may actually be starting to get our message across ......

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Posted by Lurker on April 17, 2009, 07:09 PM | #

Check out Tanstaafl’s site for more on this theme. Very much in the who, whom vein. The day genocidal whites are in charge, then I will start to worry about them. They aint the ones in charge right now.

Silver, or whoever it is this week, is doing a version of the 9/11 two-step.

This is where a discussion that starts off being about 9/11 and the perils of Islamic fundamentalism and immigration and is quickly diverted into a debate about generic religious fundamentalism and finally someone going on about the supposed dangers of Christian fundamentalists. Well right now we dont need to worry about members of Protestant sects or Catholic priests crashing airliners in suicide attacks, if that looks like something thats on the cards then we can start worrying about it. Until then other groups should be getting the attention.

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Posted by Armor on April 17, 2009, 08:42 PM | #

Lurker a few comments above makes a very good point:  the ones whose rhetoric Silver agonizes over aren’t in a position to do anything, whereas the ones whose rhetoric is just as bad as what he agonizes over are actually putting their genocidal plans into effect as we speak. (—F.Scrooby)

Silver doesn’t agonize over anything. He is just playing games. The race replacement promoters are responsible for thousands of murders committed by third-world immigrants in the West, but Silver doesn’t feel guilty over that. The sooner immigration is stopped, the fewer people will get killed in interracial violence. It is not only a question of stopping our replacement.

People who quote favorably people who said things like “Suppose that the Jews’ characteristically big lie were the truth—that the Germans really had made a desperate attempt to rid themselves of their parasites by killing six million of them. If the Germans had done that, what of it? (—Silver)

Suppose the bolsheviks have really killed millions of people in Ukraine, what of it? I don’t think anybody denies that millions were killed by the bolsheviks. Even so, we never hear about it. Personally, I never think about it. It is dubious whether today’s Ukrainians think all that often about it, even though the victims were their own people. This is human behavior. We move on. We have our own lives to care about (and our future to preserve). So, why exactly does Silver expect us to care about the ancestors of the Jews? The Jews are probably not different from us. They don’t think all the time about what happened to previous generations. They are simply using their “holocaust” as a propaganda tool. They were doing the same thing before WW2, continuously whining about their so-called “pogroms”, and all the while trying to genocide us! I suggest we let the Jews weep over their ancestors and we will weep over our own ancestors if we feel like weeping, but not over the fate of people who try to genocide us.

If at some point, there is a rebellion against Jews, I think they will simply move out to some other place: another Western country, Israel, Africa (why not Africa?). I wouldn’t worry too much about them. What worries me is that my own people is now being destroyed, largely thanks to the Jews.

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Posted by best friend on April 18, 2009, 04:16 AM | #

Armor, you’re typical of the hard-nut racialist so cocooned inside his own thoughts that his inscrutability to the outside world completely eludes him.  “Playing games,” bah, nick off you clown.

As for the bolshies, it’s not about the past, it’s about the present; it’s about what these nutzi bastards want to do now, what they consider is right and proper for today.  Nutzis are flummoxed that today no one seems to see the eminent good sense of not caring a whit about anyone outside—even only slightly outside—one’s racial in-group.  These are people for whom “boots vs suits” is a topic considered worthy of serious reflection. You’re a Frenchie, so pardon my saying it, but since France isn’t exactly crawling with nordics, unless you are one you might not appreciate their peerless contempt for the rest of mankind.  (Of course, I don’t mean to suggest anyone takes them seriously.  Indeed, it’s the fact that so few take them seriously (because they’re so hard to take seriously) that means they just end up getting in the way, because normal people get the impression that to be a racialist means to have to associate yourself with the ideas of repulsive nutzis.  That’s why I want them out of the way, well out of the way.  No good can come from them.)

Scrooby,

The race-replacement crisis which I come here to discuss and protest involves not a tiny trickle of immigration of the unlike here and a tiny trickle there.  There’s always been that, and it’s non-demography-changing (which is why the Jews found it unsatisfactory:  it didn’t change demography).

That’s incorrect.  A tiny trickle is capable of changing demography every bit as much as a flood.  It just takes a lot longer.  At the end of the day, you either understand mixing or you don’t. You appear not to, or not to want to. 

They were never consulted in plain language before the Jews, crony capitalists, and clueless women voters (“Jews” for short) changed them into Negroes.  I have no doubt they’d like to change back.

Change back to what though?  That’s the question.  Such a change would be such a massive undertaking that they may as well “change back” completely—why in the world would they need your half-jew ass?  Get it?  What are you going to do when the bad boys come for you, Scrooby?  Start screaming “But you can’t take me, I’m Fred Scrooby!  I checked “No” on “Do you support race-replacement?”!  I posted at Majority Rights.  I’m one of the ‘good ones’!”?  I know you can just claim you’ll cross that bridge when you come to it.  My point is that since you would eventually arrive at that bridge, why not just make plans for it from now?  Doing so isn’t exactly straightforward, but it’s not as hairy a matter as it’s sometimes made out to be.  You don’t appear to have thought about the issues involved too deeply at all, I’m afraid.

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Posted by Armor on April 18, 2009, 05:56 AM | #

Silver: “it’s about what these nutzi bastards want to do now”

Who are the nutzis? Please give me the name of a nutzi. The writers at the Occidental Quaterly are morally superior to the average white man because they care about what is happening to their people, and they help people like me understand what is going on. By contrast, you are a nutcase, and you don’t care about the destruction of our peoples and the violence it entails.

Silver: “What are you going to do when the bad boys come for you, Scrooby?”

The bad boys who will come after Scrooby are more likely to be Silver’s pals than writers at the Occidental Quarterly.

Anyway… If Fred Scrooby is expelled from the USA by the editorial committee of the Occidental Quaterly, he will end his life in some other country, living alongside third-worlders. If there isn’t a rebellion against race-replacement, he will end his life in his own country, living alongside mystery meat. Which is worse? Personally, I would leave for equatorial Congo at once, never to return to civilization, if it could put an end to the ongoing race-replacement.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 18, 2009, 07:59 AM | #

I think Armor is right, Silver is playing games.

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Posted by GR on April 18, 2009, 10:07 AM | #

Anytime someone wants to “go back” to what was you know they’re cornered by the impassable terror of what is.

Both Silver and Scrooby are wrong ..... Scrooby for wanting to “go back” and Silver for assuming a future where “the nutzis” will be empowered to execute Scrooby for his partial Jewish heritage—which would probably happen in that scenario, but here is just an excuse to point out a contradiction in Scrooby’s ideology. Scrooby assumes the world will revert to an older state, according to his specifications; Silver assumes the nutzis are a real threat, even poised to take control, and so must be put “out of the way”. Both share the bad habit of projecting their fears and wishes onto history and the zukunft.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 18, 2009, 11:51 AM | #

I have no ideology, GR, and am apolitical. 

Is your “Zukunft” going to look like the Island of Dr. Moreau?

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 18, 2009, 11:56 AM | #

“Silver for assuming a future where ‘the nutzis’ will be empowered to execute Scrooby for his partial Jewish heritage —  which would probably happen in that scenario,”  (—GR)

Probably happen?  Strange that it didn’t under the twelve years of the real deal — look up the Nuremberg Laws, GR.  I get the impression you don’t know zip about what you’re talking about.  As for Silver, he’s here strictly to play the troll.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 18, 2009, 12:04 PM | #

Israel operates under a set of ethnoracial Nuremberg Laws, same as the Third Reich (stricter, actually).  Are the Arabs or part-Arabs being executed under them?

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Posted by danielj on April 18, 2009, 12:05 PM | #

As for the bolshies, it’s not about the past, it’s about the present;

So, there are Nazis in the present but no Bolsheviks?

Silver, the people you are afraid will never take power in America. It will be moderate, temperate, pan-Euro nationalists that take power here if anything outside business as usual happens.

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Posted by danielj on April 18, 2009, 12:07 PM | #

Israel operates under a set of ethnoracial Nuremberg Laws, same as the Third Reich (stricter, actually).  Are the Arabs or part-Arabs being executed under them?

According to Paul Craig Roberts and Jimmy Carter they (kind of) are, and they utilize the ‘apartheid’ parallel instead of the ‘Nuremberg’ parallel for the obvious reasons.

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Posted by Rhino on April 18, 2009, 12:21 PM | #

I am confused, why is Fred a self-hating Jew ? Why would a man of Jewish lineage reject his past and hate his own ?  Are you the ghost of Bobby Fisher ?

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Posted by danielj on April 18, 2009, 12:26 PM | #

I am confused, why is Fred a self-hating Jew ? Why would a man of Jewish lineage reject his past and hate his own ?  Are you the ghost of Bobby Fisher ?

Your ridiculous slur is plenty of evidence for your confusion thus making your admission superfluous.

When a Black man hates the Black community that doesn’t make him self hating.

When a Jew hates Jews that doesn’t make him self hating either.

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Posted by Captainchaos on April 18, 2009, 12:36 PM | #

Silver contends that the “nutzis” will exterminate the Jews once they get in power, but he also seems to believe that Nazis historically did not attempt to exterminate the Jews.  Huh?  I guess Slither would say, “So?  They will this time, having learned their lesson.”  Whatever, as if scruples had nothing to do with it then as it would now.

GR contends he is a smart guy, when in fact he is a mindless shithead.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 18, 2009, 01:23 PM | #

(I’m responding to Rhino, then I’ll make no more reply to this thing about me being Jewish which Silver is doing his best to push:  I’ve responded to it enough already.) 

Rhino, suppose a man, neither of whose parents was Jewish, who wasn’t raised Jewish, never identified as Jewish, and always considered himself to come from basically a German Catholic family (his German grandfather’s family in Germany with which he had close ties in childhood and still has, and considers himself part of and always has, and is considered part of by the family in Germany and always was, along with his siblings) — suppose this man has three bloodlines, German from Germany, and Russian and Ashkenazi, both of those from Austria (the former Austrian Empire, province of Galicia).  Explain how this man is “Jewish”?

Or rather don’t explain it, because I don’t want to know, and you won’t know what you’re talking about.

That’s the last I’m replying to anyone on that topic which has now bored 99.9999999% of the readership to death.

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Posted by Rhino on April 18, 2009, 02:55 PM | #

So it sounds like Fred Scrooby owes his life, in part, to Ashkenazi Jews. No Jewish ancestor, means no Fred Scrooby. It seems like one would be proud of one’s heritage, but I see that Fred is a victim of internalized oppression. That is too bad, life is so much better when we are happy, secure, and proud of who we are.

Your response no doubt will be some fluff about being proud of your German side or your Catholic side with a healthy dose of self-denial regarding your heritage as a descendent of Ashkenazis. Ashkenazi is a proud heritage Fred, a heritage of survival, charity, compassion, iron-will, comraderie, tolerance, love, closeness to God, education, work ethic, and ultimately redemption. I imagine that this side of your heritage was always presented to you in a light of shame framed by prejudice and stereotypes. Terribly sad, Fred. There are so many things you can learn though about this proud heritage that will alleviate these false images implanted in your head. You can still be German, Catholic, Russian, and so on, but you will then have the additional merit of celebrating the Jewish in your history. It’s in you, you just have to be brave enough to confront your fears.

Realistically, all of you who post here know all of this. You all know that racism, prejudice, anti-semitism, sexism, and so on are all wrong and they make us unhappy. In your hearts you know that hate and fear destroy. I recommend to all you that you pick up a Buddhist book, not for the religion, but for the insightful philosophy on why life is better when we think, act, and believe in being kind and treating others well. Good acts, acts of friendship and kindness inspire the good and kindness in others.

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Posted by Dasein on April 18, 2009, 03:29 PM | #

I recommend to all you that you pick up a Buddhist book, not for the religion, but for the insightful philosophy on why life is better when we think, act, and believe in being kind and treating others well. Good acts, acts of friendship and kindness inspire the good and kindness in others.

Gee, I never heard anyone express it so eloquently, Rhino.  Do you think I can read said book in the Compton’s Starbucks?  If I put a quarter into the tip jar, does this mean my car doesn’t get chopped?  Please advise.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 18, 2009, 04:55 PM | #

What a waste replying to Rhino.  Same for replying to Silver.  Never fails.  BIG mistake.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 18, 2009, 05:46 PM | #

Speaking of what a waste it is replying to some people, here’s Prozium (who signs as “Observer”) replying to Ian Jobling on the subject of you know who ....

http://whiteamerica.us/forum/showpost.php?p=2523&postcount=28

That’s probably because the very concept of being a “pro-Jewish, pro-white, anti-anti-Semite” is an oxymoron.  While it is true that many anti-Semites are deranged conspiracy theorists who blame the Jews for everything (everyone who has been around this scene a long time has encountered these people), most intelligent, reasonable, openminded pro-whites can see there is an element of truth to what they say.

The American Jewish community is the vanguard of the far left-wing of the progressive movement.  White racial consciousness is an anathema to all but a tiny minority of Jews.  Kevin MacDonald and others are right when they point out that Jews played a major role in the Civil Rights Movement, demonizing Western culture, undermining the scientific legitimacy of racial classifications, the list goes on.  Jews finance and/or control the worst anti-white organizations in the United States like the SPLC and the ADL.

The small minority of pro-whites who post here believe the kookiness of the fringe right is worse than the damage done to our cause by hostile, anti-white Jews.  I don’t see the logic in that judgment.  I might find people such as “Bill White, World Commander of National Socialism” silly, unsavory, and embarrassing, but reason kicks in and reminds me that they are marginal, powerless, cartoon figures; a non-factor in the dispossession of white Americans.

I’m sure that my impression is shared by many others:  what sense does it make to be pro-Jewish when Jews are so typically anti-white?  Until you people resolve that dilemma (and I see no evidence you are trying to do so), you are doomed to remain a minority within a minority, a whisper within a roar of angry white discontent.

Here’s Jobling’s reply to that very reasonable comment of Proze’s:

I’m not going to have this discussion again here, as I’ve had it several times before. […]

This website has never been pro-Jewish in that I’ve never praised Jews.  It has, however, been neutral towards Jews and critical of anti-Semitism.  It’s absurd to say that there’s a contradiction between being pro-white and critical of anti-Semitism.  That perspective comes from the baseless notion that Jews are waging a war for racial power against whites, an idea that comes from MacDonald and worse sources.  However, as I explain here, MacDonald’s work has been completely discredited by David Lieberman:  the relevant social science confirms that Jews are not the hyperethnocentric monsters of MacDonald’s imagination, and there’s no other good reason to believe that they are waging a war for racial power against us.

I think that it’s true that Jews have been disproportionately on the leukophobic left.  However, the solution to that problem is to oppose leukophobia, not Jews themselves.

If this is your game, Observer, you’d better go play it somewhere else because no one here is interested.

Proze’s mistake there was naming the Jew.  Had he used my “fill in the blank” method Jobling would have been forced to either play dumb or self-incriminate as an anti-Semite by recognizing which group the blanks stood for (after all, how could that particular group occur to anyone but an anti-Semite reading that passage?  it couldn’t .... ), so he wouldn’t have been able to respond so obnoxiously.  Here’s what the first part of the comment would look like with that change:

That’s probably because the very concept of being a “pro-(fill in the blank) ______ , pro-white, anti-anti-(fill in the blank) ______ ” is an oxymoron.  While it is true that many anti-(fill in the blank) ______ are deranged conspiracy theorists who blame the (fill in the blank) _______ for everything (everyone who has been around this scene a long time has encountered these people), most intelligent, reasonable, openminded pro-whites can see there is an element of truth to what they say.  The American (fill in the blank) ______ community is the vanguard of the far left-wing of the progressive movement.  White racial consciousness is an anathema to all but a tiny minority of (fill in the blank) ______ .

See?  Only a closet anti-Semite would guess the blanks stood for you-know-who, because why would anyone else think of that group in particular?  There’s no reason.  This would paralyze Jobling, rendering him unable to respond.

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Posted by danielj on April 18, 2009, 06:23 PM | #

What a waste replying to Rhino.  Same for replying to Silver.

Silver and Rhino are two different animals.

I think Silver will be worth engaging at his blog that still hasn’t materialized.

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Posted by q on April 18, 2009, 08:31 PM | #

Rhino, imo, is in the same category as those college students (led by their marxist professors) that shout down any conservatives that try to get out their message on campus.

KMA, Rhino!

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 01:18 PM | #

Yeah when they’ve got you in your day-glo orange jumpsuit kneeling with hands tied behind your back, their cams recording the scene for posting next day on the internet, and they’ve got their knives out to start sawing your head off, don’t forget to remind them of those verses from the Koran, that’ll save you for sure, no sweat!  If only some of those guys who ended up headless on next day’s YouTube had known about that!  Bummer! Better copy those verses down, everybody, just in case — with your president going around making low bows to Arab potentates, you never know when you’ll need ‘em .... (But hey at least he hasn’t performed the kow-tow yet, the way Clarke up in Canada literally did before that Sikh altar they set up for the purpose, so I guess things could be worse .... )


Scooby talk talk talk is all you are and talk is all you will ever be so keep on talking whilst we laugh laugh laugh keep on laughing….

You are welcome to the last word but I know who will have the last laugh. The laugh thats been laughed!

Quran[2:256]{There is no compulsion in religion},

What then is the matter with you; how do you judge?” [Holy Quran 10:35].

grin

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Posted by majorityrights.com on April 19, 2009, 05:28 AM | #

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 01:18 PM | #

don’t forget to remind them of those verses from the Koran, that’ll save you for sure, no sweat!  If only some of those guys who ended up headless on next day’s YouTube had known about that!  Bummer! Better copy those verses down, everybody, just in case —

Yeah if only they had Scrooby LOL!

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 16, 2009, 04:44 PM | #

There is a race.  It’s called the white race.  It’s being aggressively race-replaced as we speak.  That sounds insane.  It happens to be true.  The prime movers are the Jews.  That also sounds insane.  It also happens to be true. 

LoooooooL You said it Scrooby just like you said everything else. My God you really are dumber than I thought.

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Posted by Guessedworker on April 19, 2009, 07:32 AM | #

Fred,

From some goon on the thread who calls himself J Wingfield and describes his location as “British Commonwealth”, whatever that means:-

Having read the works of Kevin MacDonald and likeminded antisemites, I can say with confidence that all attempts at demonstrating the cruciality of Jewish involvement in the equalitarian subversion of the West have so far been unsuccessful.

... I go even further than that: I don’t believe that the Jews as a community have done any damage to the West at all.

A mere google away is a freeoper conversation between some guys berating the anti-semitism of the French.  To a series of anti-French statements by someone named CatoRenasci, one Britton J Wingfield replies:-

To: CatoRenasci

Time to buy guns and night-vision goggles. Better yet, move to the US, then buy guns.

posted on 11 February 2002 15:37:05 by Britton J Wingfield

This person has no place at all on a white American website.  But this, in the end, is what Jobling is surrounding himself with: Jews who are anti-European liars professing to be “on our side”.

I don’t know whether this is entirely a bad thing, insomuch as it gather together the deceivers where we can see them.  But, of course, what they are vying to do is to give leadership to “the movement”, which is a very bad thing indeed.  Along with the useful-idiot whites who buy their crap, their very best allies are the Bill White-style Nazoids.  Their worst is the rest of us.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 19, 2009, 02:03 PM | #

The WhiteAmerica.us thread GW and I were referring to above is this one, in their site’s forum:

http://whiteamerica.us/forum/showthread.php?t=1801&page=3 .

The comment by Prozium is the one signed “Observer” more than half-way down the page linked (page 3 of the thread), with Jobling’s reply a couple beyond it. 

In the thread, Latte Island, who claims to be Jewish, calls for an Israel not located in Palestine (or in far-Eastern Siberia, which is where Birobidzhan is) because Jews don’t want to move to those places.  I found his comments interesting because it’s something I also call for, partly for similar (not identical) reasons (bottom line to Latte’s and my reasoning in a nutshell:  1) there IS a “Jewish Problem, and 2) the founding of the State of Israel hasn’t solved it). 

As many will know, I call for the physical separation of Jews and Euros:  each must live in his own country.  They cannot live in the same country because it’s like putting two dogs that hate each other in the same enclosure:  only one dog will come out alive.  They’re going to clash. 

I happen to like Jews but when they live among Euros they end up genociding them, and the reason for that is they hate them, they hate Euros being themselves, can’t stand it when Euros are themselves, and in fact they just hate Euros period.  (Don’t anyone cite all the exceptions for me, I know all about all the exceptions.  We’re not talking about the exceptions.  The exceptions aren’t what is genociding us right now.) 

As can be imagined, the neverending, decade-after-decade, generation-after-generation, century-after-century Jewish attempts to genocide white people create very, very, very bad problems for all concerned, including Jews, and are a cause of HUGE ill-feeling toward Jews on the part of Euro populations, ill-feeling which is of course legitimate (it’s legitimate not to hold in very high regard someone who won’t stop trying genocide you, I know I’m being oversensitive there but humor me, it’s one of my quirks). 

So the Jews should have their own country or countries, separate from European ones, and for this purpose ones in addition to Israel (and in addition to Biro in Siberia) are needed because Jews aren’t all moving to Israel.  I favor giving Jews the southern half of California and/or the southern half of Florida for a new Jewish homeland (Jews don’t like cold climates) which should be plenty of room for their 5½ million U.S. population.  5½ million wouldn’t even fill LA or Miami let alone an entire half of either of those two states.  As a comparison, if you subtract the uninhabitable Negev Desert from Israel’s land area, what remains, Israel’s habitable land, is about half the size of Connecticut — so, these are comparatively IMMENSE territories I’m talking about giving them. 

BUT, the proviso would be they’d have to all move there.  If they don’t all move there, the deal’s off because in that case all we’ve done is added more Israels while still saddled with the Jewish Problem no closer to a solution. 

The Jewish Problem is Jews living in Euro countries.  (Why is that a problem?  I don’t know, ask the Jews.  Ask Abe Foxman why his whole life is devoted to attacking Eurochristians or ask Heinrich Graetz the same question, ask the Jews why they pushed for open borders since day-one of arriving en masse in this country in 1880 and why they’re the biggest obstacle to closing the borders when closing them is a life-and-death issue for Euro-Americans.  Ask them stuff like that, maybe you’ll get an answer, because I don’t have one.  Oh and tell ‘em Fred Scrooby sent ya.)

This Wingfield guy in that thread, the guy mentioned by GW, may “Jewish Race Realist,” judging by his stipulation that before Jews can be considered to have played a significant role in this or that calamity that has befallen Eurosphere countries their role in causing the calamity must be shown to have been “decisive.”  JRR used to insist on that, using that same word, “decisive.”  (It was JRR or White Jewish and Proud, one of those two.) 

That’s the wrong way of looking at matters, because when multiple factors have to act together, as they always do, every one of them can be viewed as “decisive.”  If I’m on my way to rob a bank, and no earthquake takes place to keep me from getting there, I could argue I was not the “decisive” factor in robbing that bank, the absence of an earthquake was.  There’s that old saying, “For want of a nail a horseshoe was lost, for want of a horseshoe a horse was lost, for want of a horse a rider was lost, for want of a rider a battle was lost, for want of a battle a war was lost, for want of a war a throne was lost.”  So a horseshoe nail was the decisive factor in the loss of a throne. 

No, the way to look at it is who is the principle agent pushing this or that catastrophic policy?

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 19, 2009, 02:20 PM | #

”Jews are not ‘typically anti-white’ in a way that distinguishes them from non-Jewish white liberals.”  (—Wingfield over at the forum page linked in my last comment)

Yes they are:  Jews are acting in favor of their group interests (they instinctively see “anti-white” as anti-Euro, not anti-Jew:  in their eyes Jews have done nothing wrong and so are exempted fom all that anti-white stuff).  Non-Jewish white “liberals” are acting against their group’s interests.

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Posted by EA Steve on April 19, 2009, 02:20 PM | #

exceptions for me, I know all about all the exceptions.  We’re not talking about the exceptions.  The exceptions aren’t what is genociding us right now.)

As can be imagined, the neverending, decade-after-decade, generation-after-generation, century-after-century Jewish attempts…
—Fred Scrooby

So, by this standard, the non-exceptions are the exceptions?

I will agree with you that a tiny fringe group of Jew probably want us extinct; however, I believe they are a tiny group within cultural extremist groups, just as fringe White Nationalists want Jews extinct.
The World couldn’t really run as it is, if all Jews had a deliberate goal of exterminating White Gentiles. There are so many other variable factors involved, such as economic gain, status points, celebrity fame, and getting approval from one’s superiors. There is also political power.

Ironically, not much would change, if we just kicked out and/or exterminated all of the Jews. Most Whites don’t seem to care about racial preservation anymore, and the anti-White Liberals and Corporate elites will still be in power. Just as many countries with virtually no Jews, still have self-hating Whites controlling everything in the political world. I would say it’s about establishment power.

Do you think the leaders of the USSR wanted to keep communism, just for personal gain and power, or do you honestly think they all did it just to “genocide” White Gentiles? They really cared more about exterminating White Gentiles, than even staying alive and in power?!

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Posted by EA Steve on April 19, 2009, 02:26 PM | #

Non-Jewish white “liberals” are acting against their group’s interests.


But some of them are probably enjoying the rewards with professor tenures, judgeships, political office, media jobs and influence, social acceptance, and many other job opportunities and perks.

I agree they are working against their most important group’s interests. However, not all are so innocent.

And I actually believe Jews are working against their best interests, as they are White. And, even if they weren’t, they still don’t want to eliminate a major percentage of their own sub-species, Caucasians, in a largely Caucasian-minority world.

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Posted by EA Steve on April 19, 2009, 02:27 PM | #

The quote in bold was mentioned by Fred Scrooby.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 19, 2009, 02:41 PM | #

“Who says A must say B,” Steve.  If you turn on the faucet in the bath tub and stand guard to keep anyone from turning it off (call that “A”), you must want the tub to overflow (call that “B”).  The Jews opened the borders to the world’s six billion non-whites, as wide-open as they can be, and ever since have stood guard to keep anyone from closing them.  Call that “A.”  I trust you can supply “B” yourself, abysmally low IQ and all, Steve.

“Who says A must say B.”  Sorry, you can’t claim ignorance.  If you take a baby stroller with a baby in it, push it out into the middle of an eight-lane superhighway, and prevent anyone from going out and bringing it to safety (call that “A”), you must want that baby to die (call that “B”).  You can’t plead ignorance.

Any questions?  I made that nice and simple for you.

Take a look at what the Jews do.  Draw your absolutely unavoidable conclusions.  If you have half-a-brain, that is.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 19, 2009, 02:54 PM | #

This Wingfield guy in that thread, the guy mentioned by GW, may be “Jewish Race Realist,”  (—from my long comment a few above)

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 19, 2009, 02:55 PM | #

You’ve got one of the lowest IQs of anyone who’s ever commented here, Steve.  And that goes back to October, 2004.  (Just wanted you to know that.)

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Posted by EA Steve on April 19, 2009, 03:29 PM | #

“Who says A must say B,” Steve.  If you turn on the faucet in the bath tub and stand guard to keep anyone from turning it off (call that “A”), you must want the tub to overflow (call that “B”).  The Jews opened the borders to the world’s six billion non-whites, as wide-open as they can be, and ever since have stood guard to keep anyone from closing them.  Call that “A.” I trust you can supply “B” yourself, abysmally low IQ and all, Steve.

“Who says A must say B.” Sorry, you can’t claim ignorance.  If you take a baby stroller with a baby in it, push it out into the middle of an eight-lane superhighway, and prevent anyone from going out and bringing it to safety (call that “A”), you must want that baby to die (call that “B”).  You can’t plead ignorance.


With very few exception, this is a result of Liberal Jews and Liberal White Gentiles, keeping it that way. Many Jews are just naturally liberal, and afraid of discrimination against non-Whites. They feel obligated to be “Liberal;” it’s not because virtually every Jew has a fantasy of seeing White Gentiles extinct. The common Jewish voters are probably just like White Gentile race-liberals. And the power-oriented Jews are mostly doing it, to get in positions of power, much like the power-oriented White Gentiles.

In Hollywood, it’s about “pushing the envelope!” Because of the degenerate nature of Hollywood, it will attract the most deviant and repulsive Jews. I am now, finally convinced that most Hollywood Jews care as much about ‘breaking taboos’ than even seeing Whites genetically absorbed. There likely is a small conspiratorial influence, but the idea that it 100% controls Hollywood is absurd. The Film-making industry always has been, and always will be about “pushing the envelope,” regardless of Jewish ancestry (or lack thereof). Actors are natural “Liberals.” Likewise for all in the Film Industry.

With Politics and immigration: Jews are in a race-tratior alliance, as White Gentiles are. However, it’s out of fear of ethnic persecution. There politics have formed, over generations; most voters vote for the same party as their parents and grandparents. They are Democrats, as the Italians and Irish like to vote Democrat.

Regarding the Jews with power and influence: It’s about procuring political power. Hilary Clinton and John McCain supported massive immigration and ‘Amnesty,’ for their political power (senatorial re-election and presidential runs). In the same manner, Jews realize they must play the anti-White game, to get ahead in life. That Reich advisor for Obama, who said he doesn’t want Whites getting government jobs; he was part of a political pact which permitted him to get that advisor job, while many more qualified advisors are rejected. Now, if he said “We need these jobs to go to Whites,” do you think he would be kept in good faith? And imagine him not apologizing, and saying “I am proud of fellow Whites! They have received too much discrimination.” He would have been kicked out of the nice perk he has for a job; just as McCain and Clinton would lose the Hispanic vote, and potentially their jobs.

Regarding, the stroller in the highway analogy: There is a big difference between that and the complex political world. Every well-functioning human would know better than to push a stroller into traffic. But, unlike us, most people (including White Gentiles and Jews) don’t see demographic-changing immigration as a bad thing. It’s not seen by them in the same way.

On a related note, the reason for the Democratic Party’s support of massive immigration, is to get future voters, to return Democratic candidates to power. It has nothing to do with a rabbi telling a “well-intentioned” 1st Political Party how to operate, step by step.

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Posted by EA Steve on April 19, 2009, 03:36 PM | #

I forgot to mention;  it’s not just about political voters, but also poltical organizations, such as La Raza, which fund political parties and campaigns. Unlike non-Whites, White don’t have any major and accepted advocacy groups. And another obstacle, is that they must be politically “acceptable.” Many voters and media outlets would look down on Senator Nelson, if he accepted campaign donations from say, the Klu Klux Klan, or the hypothetical American Organization for Whites.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 19, 2009, 04:36 PM | #

“And the power-oriented Jews are mostly doing it, to get in positions of power”  (—EA Steve)

Right, Dr. Moreau had lots more power on that island after turning all those people into botched mystery meat than before, so that fits perfectly ......

“In Hollywood, it’s about ‘pushing the envelope!’ [...]  Hollywood Jews care as much about ‘breaking taboos’ “

What about the taboo on discussing what happened to the U.S.S. Liberty?  How come they never seem to break that?  Or the one about how six million minus one point five million still equals six million, on that official Auschwitz plaque?  (Is that “the New Math” or something?)  How about the taboo on any scholarly discussion in Continental Europe regarding the reliability of the standard Holocau$t story?  Then there’s the taboo on admitting that races exist — do they plan on breaking any of those?  I mean ... how come the only taboos they break are the ones that defended some aspect of Euro-race well-being and the only ones they refuse to break are the ones that defend Jewish well-being?  Any clues as to what might be going on with that, Steve? 

“Hilary Clinton and John McCain supported massive immigration and ‘Amnesty,’ for their political power”

Thanks for setting me straight, I had been laboring under the misconception their big Jewish donors had something to do with it.

“In the same manner, Jews realize they must play the anti-White game, to get ahead in life.”

Exactly, whites are telling Jews they’ve got to play the anti-white game if they want to get ahead, forcing them into it against their will, dragging them kicking and screaming.  You’ve nailed it, Steve!  (Why didn’t I see that!!!)

“That Reich advisor for Obama, who said he doesn’t want Whites getting government jobs; he was part of a political pact which permitted him to get that advisor job, while many more qualified advisors are rejected.”

Right, I’m sure he HATED saying that but had to, to keep his job.  The bastards forced him.  As soon as he leaves that position he’ll write a tell-all exposé divulging how he was coerced into to saying that.

“most people (including White Gentiles and Jews) don’t see demographic-changing immigration as a bad thing.”

Correct, which is why that’s never been put to the test, by means of a plainly-worded binding referendum.  Absolutely right on that one, Steve.

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Posted by Dasein on April 19, 2009, 04:41 PM | #

With very few exception, this is a result of Liberal Jews and Liberal White Gentiles, keeping it that way. Many Jews are just naturally liberal, and afraid of discrimination against non-Whites. They feel obligated to be “Liberal;” it’s not because virtually every Jew has a fantasy of seeing White Gentiles extinct. The common Jewish voters are probably just like White Gentile race-liberals. And the power-oriented Jews are mostly doing it, to get in positions of power, much like the power-oriented White Gentiles.

With Politics and immigration: Jews are in a race-tratior alliance, as White Gentiles are. However, it’s out of fear of ethnic persecution. There politics have formed, over generations; most voters vote for the same party as their parents and grandparents. They are Democrats, as the Italians and Irish like to vote Democrat.

If Jews are wont to be liberal, then this sense of obligation can’t weigh too heavily.  If you mean ‘fantasy’ in the sense of an emotional wet dream, then ok, maybe you’re right about the average Jew.  But if this support for race replacement comes out of conscious fear of ethnic persecution, why wouldn’t they wish for it?  The reasons White race traitors and Jews would be afraid of discrimination against non-Whites are different.  One is irrational (degenerate or, for the power-hungry, based on greed), the other makes sense from the perspective of adaptive behaviour. 

Regarding, the stroller in the highway analogy: There is a big difference between that and the complex political world. Every well-functioning human would know better than to push a stroller into traffic. But, unlike us, most people (including White Gentiles and Jews) don’t see demographic-changing immigration as a bad thing. It’s not seen by them in the same way.

Any support for that last claim?  The overwhelming majority of White Americans were against the amnesty bill.  Are there any polls showing they don’t see race replacement as a bad thing?

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 19, 2009, 04:46 PM | #

“I forgot to mention; it’s not just about political voters, but also poltical organizations, such as La Raza, which fund political parties and campaigns.”

Whew!  I’m glad you mentioned that, Steve — La Raza’s multibillion-dollar yearly budget coming as it does from the Mexican peons working here illegally tithing 25¢ a week toward the organization that protects them, relieving the Jewish-controlled Ford Foundation of needing to pump them up with billions it could be showering instead on worthy outfits like Lulac, MECha, the ADL, the $PLC, and the ACLU (none of which is Jewish controlled, not one).  Yeah, the Oaxaca-speaking unskilled Mexican laborers here illegally are the source of La Raza’s humungous financial clout, legal expertise, and pervasive insider MSM connections (for guys who can’t speak Spanish let alone English or read or write in any language, they sure accomplish a lot once in this country, wielding enormous legal and political clout, gotta hand it to those organizational/financial powerhouses from south of the border!).

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Posted by EA Steve on April 19, 2009, 05:22 PM | #

What about the taboo on discussing what happened to the U.S.S. Liberty?  How come they never seem to break that?  Or the one about how six million minus one point five million still equals six million, on that official Auschwitz plaque?  (Is that “the New Math” or something?) How about the taboo on any scholarly discussion in Continental Europe regarding the reliability of the standard Holocau$t story?  Then there’s the taboo on admitting that races exist — do they plan on breaking any of those?  I mean ... how come the only taboos they break are the ones that defended some aspect of Euro-race well-being and the only ones they refuse to break are the ones that defend Jewish well-being?  Any clues as to what might be going on with that, Steve?

The U.SS. Liberty was a complex case involving the U.S. and official Israeli government. It very well could have been a strategic intergovernmental deal, which the intetlligence agencies did not want to disclose. It could be for any undisclosed reason;  and you and I can only speculate about the incident. Hollywood also works more on social every-day American things, not conspiracy theories about foreign policy.

The Holocaust story, is a complex case. I am not even sure, if anybody (other than Holocaust survivors) really knows what happened. But you are probably right that some may be tampering with the evidence. And I am sure there is a conflict of interest. The status quo helps the ruling elites, not just the Jews.

The taboos they are interested in are ones that oppose more liberal policies, and they are naturally liberal.
“Hilary Clinton and John McCain supported massive immigration and ‘Amnesty,’ for their political power”

Thanks for setting me straight, I had been laboring under the misconception their big Jewish donors had something to do with it.

They did have something to do with it; but how does being Jewish make one an “agent” for expanding Jewish power. These men are greedy, putting profit first; and many of these Jews are representing organizations and businesses not Jewish-oriented.

“In the same manner, Jews realize they must play the anti-White game, to get ahead in life.”

Exactly, whites are telling Jews they’ve got to play the anti-white game if they want to get ahead, forcing them into it against their will, dragging them kicking and screaming.  You’ve nailed it, Steve!  (Why didn’t I see that!!!)

I never said White Gentiles are forcing Jews to oppose their interests, although fringe anti-Semites are. The smart and politically savvy Jews know they can perform socially well, if they promote anti-White and non-racist interests. It exactly mirrors the strategy of Hillary Clinton and John McCain. In better times, Jewish politicians would promote pro-White interests, if they knew it would advance their careers.

“That Reich advisor for Obama, who said he doesn’t want Whites getting government jobs; he was part of a political pact which permitted him to get that advisor job, while many more qualified advisors are rejected.”

Right, I’m sure he HATED saying that but had to, to keep his job.  The bastards forced him.  As soon as he leaves that position he’ll write a tell-all exposé divulging how he was coerced into to saying that.

It’s not that he hated saying it while saying it; his political ideology has been formed, as he found his pathway to political influence.

Fred Scrooby’s comments are in bold.

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Posted by EA Steve on April 19, 2009, 05:27 PM | #

Whew!  I’m glad you mentioned that, Steve — La Raza’s multibillion-dollar yearly budget coming as it does from the Mexican peons working here illegally tithing 25¢ a week toward the organization that protects them, relieving the Jewish-controlled Ford Foundation of needing to pump them up with billions it could be showering instead on worthy outfits like Lulac, MECha, the ADL, the $PLC, and the ACLU (none of which is Jewish controlled, not one).  Yeah, the Oaxaca-speaking unskilled Mexican laborers here illegally are the source of La Raza’s humungous financial clout, legal expertise, and pervasive insider MSM connections (for guys who can’t speak Spanish let alone English or read or write in any language, they sure accomplish a lot once in this country, wielding enormous legal and political clout, gotta hand it to those organizational/financial powerhouses from south of the border!).
—Fred Scrooby

Organizations are led by very smart leaders and social workers, not the average member. The organization was founded by I believe, Jose Angel Guitterrez, who is very racist and Hispanic (not Jewish). There actually are smart and ethnocentric Hispanics in this country, and they had the financial and social support to grow their racist organizations. As evidenced, Hispanics can acheive a lot, if they choose the right leaders.

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Posted by weston on April 19, 2009, 05:37 PM | #

In Hollywood, it’s about “pushing the envelope!” Because of the degenerate nature of Hollywood, it will attract the most deviant and repulsive Jews. I am now, finally convinced that most Hollywood Jews care as much about ‘breaking taboos’ than even seeing Whites genetically absorbed. There likely is a small conspiratorial influence, but the idea that it 100% controls Hollywood is absurd. The Film-making industry always has been, and always will be about “pushing the envelope,” regardless of Jewish ancestry (or lack thereof).

  C’mon, Steve.  Are you trying to prove Fred’s comments about your IQ correct?  This is an absurd position. There’s no bigger taboo than white racial consciousness.  By your logic, Hollywood should be beating down that door.  We can expect a Jewish written, produced, and financed “Birth of a Nation” coming out any day now, right?  Give me a break. 

http://www.homevideo.net/FIRM/south.htm 

See the above link for a partial list of all of the southern-bashing movies Hollywood has produced.  They’re not pushing any envelopes or trying to “break any taboos” (southerner bashing is quite acceptable in America today), they’re doing it because they genuinely hate southerners, just like they genuinely hate middle-Americans, and like they genuinely hate all non-self loathing whites the world over. 

The Hollywood mindset is typified by the Coen brothers, who have said that their movie “Fargo” was “revenge” on Minnesota for their feelings of alienation growing up as very self-conscious Jewish outsiders in relatively homogeneous Minnesota. 

Wake up and smell whatever it is you smell when you wake up, Steve.  It’s not about taboo-breaking, it’s about race-hatred.

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Posted by weston on April 19, 2009, 05:42 PM | #

I never said White Gentiles are forcing Jews to oppose their interests, although fringe anti-Semites are.

 

  Holy shit is this dumb.

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Posted by EA Steve on April 19, 2009, 05:42 PM | #

...But if this support for race replacement comes out of conscious fear of ethnic persecution, why wouldn’t they wish for it?  The reasons White race traitors and Jews would be afraid of discrimination against non-Whites are different.  One is irrational (degenerate or, for the power-hungry, based on greed), the other makes sense from the perspective of adaptive behaviour…. 

A few might wish for it, just as White Gentiles wish to see their race destroyed. However, I think Jews are naturally empathetic. I think this applies to even some wealthy Jews. Most of the establishment which supports massive non-White immigration is solely looking out for himself. There are fringe cultural groups, which I hate; however, I think the prospect of job opportunities is a great incentive.

“Regarding, the stroller in the highway analogy: There is a big difference between that and the complex political world. Every well-functioning human would know better than to push a stroller into traffic. But, unlike us, most people (including White Gentiles and Jews) don’t see demographic-changing immigration as a bad thing. It’s not seen by them in the same way.”
—myself

Any support for that last claim?  The overwhelming majority of White Americans were against the amnesty bill.  Are there any polls showing they don’t see race replacement as a bad thing?

Maybe I should misphrase that, a little. Sub-consciously, I think almost every White, Gentile and Jew, views it race replacement as against their genetic interests. However, I think it’s the well-developed conscious mind, which governs our politics in immigration. It’s almost taboo, just to oppose ‘Amnesty,’ much more for opposing race replacement against Whites. Many tell me they don’t mind seeing Whites genetically absorbed; they just don’t want ‘Amnesty’ passed. I think the indoctrination and social influence have kicked in.

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Posted by EA Steve on April 19, 2009, 05:45 PM | #

In the comment above, Daesin’s comments are in bold.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 19, 2009, 06:00 PM | #

“The organization was founded by I believe, Jose Angel Guitterrez, who is very racist and Hispanic (not Jewish).”  (—EA Steve)

La Raza was originally created out of nothing by the Ford Foundation, out of thin air, and has always been nurtured and funded by the Ford Foundation.  It gets huge funding now also from the U.S. government, and that thanks to ... guess whose deep governmental connections?  Not Mexican peons, you can guess again.  Oh, and when you think of it, just .... uhhh ..... fill in the blank _____ , OK?

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 19, 2009, 06:02 PM | #

For the details on how the Ford Foundation created La Raza look up a series called “Discover the Networks” at David Horowitz’s site.  It may also be linked at Richard Poe’s site, RichardPoe.com.  It’s all there.

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Posted by EA Steve on April 19, 2009, 06:06 PM | #

C’mon, Steve.  Are you trying to prove Fred’s comments about your IQ correct?

My view on this matter is not the equivalent of my IQ score. I find it laughable that one must blame the Jews for all of our problems, in order to “have a high IQ!” Didn’t the first one to call unintelligent used to have the same views I have (and possibly even more pro-Jew)? So, he used to have a low IQ, when he first commented on this site?

This is an absurd position. There’s no bigger taboo than white racial consciousness.  By your logic, Hollywood should be beating down that door.  We can expect a Jewish written, produced, and financed “Birth of a Nation” coming out any day now, right?  Give me a break. 

As I have said, it’s not just about taboos, per se. It’ s about breaking taboos, in a socially liberal manner. Obviously Hollywood is not going to promote fringe Pro-Life movies, because it’s a socially liberal institution.

See the above link for a partial list of all of the southern-bashing movies Hollywood has produced.  They’re not pushing any envelopes or trying to “break any taboos” (southerner bashing is quite acceptable in America today), they’re doing it because they genuinely hate southerners, just like they genuinely hate middle-Americans, and like they genuinely hate all non-self loathing whites the world over. 

They hate the South because it’s socially conservative, and it has the reputation of being “racist,” just as Nazi Germany has the reputation of being anti-Semitic. It’s pretty obvious why “anti-racists” would attack White “racists.” This is not just about changing social views, but changing social view left.

The Hollywood mindset is typified by the Coen brothers, who have said that their movie “Fargo” was “revenge” on Minnesota for their feelings of alienation growing up as very self-conscious Jewish outsiders in relatively homogeneous Minnesota. 
—Weston

Firstly, I don’t see even a link to it, so I have nothing to confirm it. But, assuming you are correct, and not embellishing what they truly said, I agree there is a consciously anti-White presence in Hollywood. Some Jews hate White Gentiles, especially in the most degenerate Hollywood and Entertainment channels. However, this hypocritical feeling is not universal among Hollywood Jews, and may not even affect the majority. Regarding sexually deviant and deliberately anti-White movies, it most especially doesn’t reflect the Jewish mainstream, as Hollywood doesn’t reflect the White Gentile mainstream.

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Posted by danielj on April 19, 2009, 06:17 PM | #

For the details on how the Ford Foundation created La Raza look up a series called “Discover the Networks” at David Horowitz’s site.  It may also be linked at Richard Poe’s site, RichardPoe.com.  It’s all there.

Thank God for clever Jews on our side!

  I never said White Gentiles are forcing Jews to oppose their interests, although fringe anti-Semites are.

Holy shit is this dumb.

Seconded.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 19, 2009, 06:23 PM | #

“Thank God for clever Jews on our side!”

Poe’s Roman Catholic (and puh-LEEEZE don’t anybody trot out the “Poe’s half-Jewish” bit now — he’s Roman Catholic).  (If anyone trots it out, I’m not answering — enjoy yourself.)

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Posted by EA Steve on April 19, 2009, 06:34 PM | #

I have a correction: Jose Angel Guitterrez formed La Raz Unida, not “La Raza.”

However, National Council of La Raza was still founded by Hispanics, not Jews.

” In the early 1960s, the National Organization for Mexican American Services (NOMAS) persuaded the Ford Foundation to fund a study of Mexican Americans. The Foundation went further, hiring Herman Gallegos, Dr. Julian Samora, and Dr. Ernesto Galarza to consult with other leaders on ways to improve conditions for Mexican American communities. [2]

As a result of these discussions, Gallegos, Samora and Galarza founded the Southwest Council of La Raza (SWCLR) in Phoenix, Arizona, in 1968. Financial support from the Ford Foundation, the National Council of Churches, and the United Auto Workers allowed the SWCLR to get off the ground, and the organization received 501(c)(3) status later that year.[3]

In 1973, the SWCLR became a national organization, changed its name to the National Council of La Raza, and moved its headquarters to Washington, D.C. Early disagreements among the leadership led the Ford Foundation to threaten to withhold funding, resulting in President Henry Santiestevan’s resignation and the election of Raul Yzaguirre.[4]”

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Council_of_La_Raza

Ford likely funded the organization, out of genuine sympathy and/or advertisment. Maybe Ford wanted more Hispanics to buy its vehicles?

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Posted by danielj on April 19, 2009, 06:48 PM | #

Sorry Fred, I meant Horowitz smile

I also meant to put the smiley face after it.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 19, 2009, 07:10 PM | #

Steve, you know what an “own goal” is in hockey?  if not, check out your last comment — perfect example of one.

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Posted by Lurker on April 19, 2009, 07:38 PM | #

And I actually believe Jews are working against their best interests, as they are White. And, even if they weren’t, they still don’t want to eliminate a major percentage of their own sub-species, Caucasians, in a largely Caucasian-minority world. EA Steve

So Steve has said it - we are merely a sub-species of Jews.

I wont be taking any further notice of anything Steve has to say.

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Posted by EA Steve on April 19, 2009, 07:56 PM | #

So Steve has said it - we are merely a sub-species of Jews.

I wont be taking any further notice of anything Steve has to say.
—Lurker

Lurker, you misinterpreted what I said. Jews and Europeans are branches of the same sub-species. Just as even the Arabs are. We are racially separate from the Arabs, but in relation to the other sub-specieses, Arabs look very closely related to us, in comparison.

Three relevant sub-species categories are: Negroid, Caucasoid, and Oriental. If the Jews don’t belong in the Caucasian category, than in which one do they belong?

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Posted by EA Steve on April 19, 2009, 07:59 PM | #

“...than in which one do they belong?”

Correction: ...then, in which one do they belong?

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Posted by Lurker on April 19, 2009, 08:45 PM | #

OK Steve thats a bit better.

Well, I dont know the answer to that but you are listing three broad categories, you could narrow down a bit more.

JWH, Im sure, would have something to say on this!

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 19, 2009, 09:15 PM | #

Check out the article on race at this site’s Wiki.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 19, 2009, 09:17 PM | #

http://wiki.majorityrights.com/race

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Posted by Lincoln Will Wrassle Ya on April 24, 2009, 11:57 AM | #

Damn, you knuckleheads are worthless. I was in the Army, shoulder to shoulder with every race, creed, religion, etc. They are all contributing and making the United States great. But as for you impotent low lifes, Get out of my America !!!!!!

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Posted by danielj on April 24, 2009, 12:13 PM | #

They are all contributing and making the United States great.

In what way?

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Posted by cladrastis on April 24, 2009, 03:34 PM | #

“They” are certainly contributing to the crime rate, but I’m not sure that having the highest rate of incarceration in the world constitutes greatness.  (“We’re number 1!”)

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Posted by J Richards on April 29, 2009, 08:43 PM | #

What if the ‘Nutzis’ come looking for the Scroob?

There’s something that I’d like the Scroob to answer.  Suppose the ‘Nutzis’ are busy rounding up people with an eighth or more of Jewish ancestry, for deportation.  This means that the Scroob is screwed.  What will the Scroob do when they come for him?

The Scroob couldn’t invoke his behavior in his defense.  The ‘Nutzis’ are not concerned with behavior, and given Scroob’s statements such as ‘I happen to like Jews [notwithstanding …. ]’ and that he’s in favor of Israel’s continued existence, the ‘Nutzis’ will consider him to be a member of the tribe for all practical purposes.  So what will the Scroob do when he sees the writing on the wall become clearer?

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 29, 2009, 09:38 PM | #

“There’s something that I’d like the Scroob to answer.  Suppose the ‘Nutzis’ are busy rounding up people with an eighth or more of Jewish ancestry, for deportation.  This means that the Scroob is screwed.  What will the Scroob do when they come for him?”  (—JRichards)

What makes you ask that odd question, JR?  Don’t reply if your explanation will be just as odd, or if you’re motivated by some kind of desire to attack me.  Only reply if you have something to say that makes sense.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 29, 2009, 09:47 PM | #

Also:  If you have any objections to specific things I’ve posted here since October, 2004, refer to them specifically and not to my ancestry.  I’ll reply to your specific objections to specific comments of mine.  Specific comments I’ve posted, or your specific objections to them, may interest some — unlike my ancestry, which interests nobody.

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Posted by Lurker on April 29, 2009, 11:53 PM | #

Where is JR going with this? Whats the point? Is it even JR at all?

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Posted by AD on April 30, 2009, 12:54 AM | #

“Who says A must say B.” Sorry, you can’t claim ignorance.  If you take a baby stroller with a baby in it, push it out into the middle of an eight-lane superhighway, and prevent anyone from going out and bringing it to safety (call that “A”), you must want that baby to die (call that “B”).  You can’t plead ignorance.

You can’t prevent the authorities saving the baby unless it’s in your power to.  You can only plead that they don’t. 

Your pleading for them not to need not have anything to do with wanting the baby to die.  You may be convinced that it will survive and only wish to observe how it shall do so. 

If the authorities appear to be colluding it may be because they too are convinced it will survive and wish to look on for either identical reasons or reasons of their own.

Furthermore, a person who ingests excess calories [“A”] over a period of time will gain weight, such that over an extended period of time he will attain a state generally referred to as ‘fat.’ [“B”]  He who says A must say B, so he must have wanted to become fat.  No pleading ignorance now.  He rebuffed every effort to counsel him not to eat so much, so he must have wanted to get fat.

As for JR’s (or whoever it “really” is) question, substitute for one eighth Jew one eighth negro or one eighth Asian or one eighth Amerind and Scrooby would be on the front lines demanding separation, not considering the question “odd” at all.  Alternatively, since he doesn’t “traffic in purity,” he may have a formula in mind for determining who of those is acceptable and who isn’t—a formula, that is, besides naked self-interest.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 30, 2009, 07:43 AM | #

Furthermore, a person who ingests excess calories [“A”] over a period of time will gain weight, such that over an extended period of time he will attain a state generally referred to as ‘fat.’ [“B”] He who says A must say B, so he must have wanted to become fat.  No pleading ignorance now.  He rebuffed every effort to counsel him not to eat so much, so he must have wanted to get fat.

As for JR’s (or whoever it “really” is) question, substitute for one eighth Jew one eighth negro or one eighth Asian or one eighth Amerind and Scrooby would be on the front lines demanding separation, not considering the question “odd” at all.  Alternatively, since he doesn’t “traffic in purity,” he may have a formula in mind for determining who of those is acceptable and who isn’t—a formula, that is, besides naked self-interest.

The problem with replying to Silver is he never remembers the replies, so comes back again and again and again with the same questions one has already answered.  One plays that game just so long then tires of it. 

I’ll just repeat, I see no evidence Silver opposes forced race-replacement of Euros.  Silver spends five % of his time criticising the race-replacers, five % of his time recanting that criticism, taking it all back, every bit of it, and putting himself back to square one, and ninety % of his time divided between aggressively and viciously going after critics of race-replacement and saying how outraged and sick at heart it makes him feel to have to concede any of their points, one or two of which he grudgingly concedes but only “theoretically” while utterly rejecting any notion of applying them in the real world, rejecting it on moral grounds as evil and on practical grounds as totally unworkable and bound to fail if anyone were so criminal as to attempt implementation. 

That doesn’t sound like a critic of race-replacement to me.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 30, 2009, 08:20 AM | #

In another thread I just saw what would be an appropriate reply to the totality of Silver’s opus posted here from day-one:

In any healthy age no white person would demonse another for proposing self-defence - never mind keep insisting, as you do, on a definition of “indigeneous”. That’s just another way of saying European peoples don’t exist so there’s nothing to defend.

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/peter_hain_history_and_the_bnp/#c73953

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Posted by J Richards on April 30, 2009, 09:42 PM | #

Scroob,

What I asked you makes clear sense, and it isn’t me attacking you.  I’m not the first person to ask this question.  The Silver-esque question, which Silver himself may have left, is something you haven’t answered.  I’d like you to answer it.  The question isn’t about your ancestry, but what will you do if the ‘Nutzis’ come after you with the intention of escorting you outside the borders of the West along with members of the tribe?

You went on a rant against Silver, but Silver has made at least one thing clear, and this is that if there’s a possibility of the ‘Nutzis’ coming for him, he’ll join forces with others (non-whites) to undermine the ‘Nutzis.’

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Lurker,

Working with Guessedworker has made me catch some of his philosophy bug.  One question that has involved me recently is the issue of drawing the line.  If you were to ask me what proportion of Jewish ancestry would it take for me to designate a person undesirable in the West and tag him for explusion, I couldn’t give you a clear answer.  If the proportion is 50% or more then, based on ancestry alone, in my estimation this person should preferably be expelled (on the other hand, see note on ‘Nutzis’ below).  But how low will I be willing to go, I don’t know.

Consider my dilemma analogous to that of JWH.  JWH has been gung-ho about drawing a clear line between white and non-white.  Silver asked him, in relation to Sarah Palin’s husband, what proportion of non-white ancestry would it take for a pre-dominantly white person to be considered non-white?  JWH evaded it.

And then the Scroob came to mind.  Scroob thinks his ancestry interests no one, but it does interest the ‘Nutzis’ because of what the Scroob has claimed and how he has behaved.  Scroob reports German, Russian and Jewish ancestry.  The ‘Jewish’ part, naturally, lights a fat red bulb for the ‘Nutzis.’  Scroob also reports his appearance as that of a swarthy Arab such that some Arabs have approached him and started talking to him in Arabic or some other Middle Eastern language.  How German-Russian-(presumably Ashkenazi)Jewish ancestry led to this appearance is a matter of curiosity for the ‘Nutzis.’  The third issue involves Scroob’s behavior.  The spiritual ancestors of the ‘Nutzis,’ the Nazis, wanted the Jews expelled but didn’t have problems with people like Alfred Rosenberg working for them because their thinking and outlook were Aryan.  The thing about the Scroob is that he ‘likes Jews notwithstanding …..’ and favors the continued existence of Israel.  The Scroob is no Alfred Rosenberg.  Thus it seems that the ‘Nutzis’ are very likely to be looking for the Scroob when they are rounding up members of the tribe for deportation.  This is why I would like to know what will the Scroob do.

There are other philosophical issues involved that I’ll address later.  Guessedworker has been a bad influence on me, infecting me with the philosophy bug.

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Posted by weston on April 30, 2009, 10:06 PM | #

I can’t see what the point in playing to silver’s lurid “Nutzi” fantasies is.  When the next anti-white troll comes along and wants to know how we plan to exterminate all of the mud peoples from the face of the earth, will you advocate that we discuss that, Richards? Or how about this: On the Day of the Rope, what will your preferred Jew-killing method be? I think we need a main log entry to discuss that issue.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 30, 2009, 10:43 PM | #

I’m not boring the readership with this, JR.  If the Nutzis are interested let them contact me (or come after me, as they wish). 

I didn’t describe my appearance as a swarthy Arab.  I’m a darkish white and in summer I tan quickly and get dark.  I’m not your “nordic” type in other words.  Brown eyes, and when I was in my 20s, black hair so black a photographer taking my picture once told me she thought I dyed it.  In my 20s when I lived in Europe Arabs mistook me for an Arab.  This was mainly in summer.  That’s what I said, not that I had the appearance of one — if they mistook me for one, that was their problem.  The nerve of them used to irritate the hell out of me when they did that.  I can tell you, if I looked like an Arab to them, I was the best looking Arab they ever saw in their lives, that’s for damn sure.  Euros took me for an American.  Americans who’d lived in Germany occasionally took me for a German.

Silver’s fixated on my ancestry because he’s a moron.  Why you’re suddenly taking a big interest I don’t know.  Your question about the Nutzis is weird, too weird for me to take seriously.

What I want should be clear from my posts here and elsewhere which must number in the thousands.  I want an end to forced race-replacement of the Euro races.  It’s very, very, very simple and I’m a very, very, very simple guy.  I have no ulterior motives or complexity, nothing’s hidden, everything’s on the surface and should be plain as day.  I will never do anything to go against the interests represented by this blog and I can guarantee you I’m the LAST person who would.  When everyone else has been worn down, thrown in the towel and given up, I’ll still be standing in opposition to race-replacement.  If I’m the last one, I’ll be standing.

I don’t know what it is that makes people on our side suspicious of me.  Friedrich Braun voiced mistrust of me not long ago here.  I pointed out that in all my comments I had never posted a single word that went against the interests of Euro people (or, because I was talking to Friedrich, the German people, or Germany).

With all the people to be suspicious of you pick on me whose record of fidelity to our side must be flawless.  Bizarre but if you picked on David Duke for flimsy reasons I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.  You’re wasting your time.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 30, 2009, 11:24 PM | #

1) The Nuremberg Laws considered someone to be Jewish if he had three Jewish grandparents.  I would not be considered Jewish in Nazi Germany.  I don’t have three Jewish grandparents.

2) Yes, I like the Jews.  I hate the ones who commit heinous crimes such as prying open any Euro country’s borders.  I loathe those and want them arrested, charged with capital crimes against humanity, and brought to trial.  I want the same thing to happen to George Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove.

3) Yes I favor Israel’s continued existence in principle, which I view as right.  There are things about the way Israel is run which I have misgivings about.  There’s a lot I don’t understand about the way Israel is run.  I’m not knowledgeable about Israel, a country I am sympathetic to but which is NOT one of my big interests.

4) I want Jewry to stop destroying Euro society and stop using race-replacement immigration to genocide the Euro peoples.

5) Some months ago I realized it was legitimate for Euros under Jewish genocidal attack to retaliate by supporting the Palestinians against Israel.  I support Israel in principle but if I were President I’d make ongoing U.S. support for Israel conditional upon U.S. Jews getting out of the way of a halt to post-1965 race-replacement and its full reversal.

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Posted by Captainchaos on May 01, 2009, 01:11 AM | #

The thing about the Scroob is that he ‘likes Jews notwithstanding …..’ and favors the continued existence of Israel.

Richards, lots of judeo-ziochristers like Jews too, or at least profess to, so what?  Should we support the ‘Nutzis’ in liquidating them too?  As for favoring the continued existence of IzraHell, so do I, because that is where a shit load of them are already, and where we can dump the rest.  The idea that Jews can be dislodged from Izzy without them squeezing off a few nukes in Europe’s direction is far fetched - unless one could get the drop on them with a completely annihilating preemptive nuclear strike; which really just amounts to exterminating the Jews.  So, I’ll ask you straight, do you want to exterminate the Jews?  I don’t, because I prefer to be able to look at myself in the mirror.

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Posted by Dasein on May 01, 2009, 06:10 AM | #

You went on a rant against Silver, but Silver has made at least one thing clear, and this is that if there’s a possibility of the ‘Nutzis’ coming for him, he’ll join forces with others (non-whites) to undermine the ‘Nutzis.’ -JR

Wouldn’t it be more sensible to side with moderate Whites who oppose the ‘Nutzis’?

The logic here is the same as that used by Jews for the pre-emptive genociding of Whites.  There are extreme, violent Whites so let’s do in the lot of ‘em.  People raising the spectre of the Nutzis to recommend inaction are complicit in this genocide.  This is not necessarily what Silver is doing, though I am still trying to figure out what actions he favours to stop race-replacement (he’s recommended a post on his new blog that apparently goes into this and I’ll take a look at it).

The spiritual ancestors of the ‘Nutzis,’ the Nazis, wanted the Jews expelled but didn’t have problems with people like Alfred Rosenberg working for them because their thinking and outlook were Aryan. -JR

Are you saying that Rosenberg was of Jewish descent?

I can’t see what the point in playing to silver’s lurid “Nutzi” fantasies is.  When the next anti-white troll comes along and wants to know how we plan to exterminate all of the mud peoples from the face of the earth, will you advocate that we discuss that, Richards? Or how about this: On the Day of the Rope, what will your preferred Jew-killing method be? I think we need a main log entry to discuss that issue. -weston

Well said.  The Nutzis are strawmen at the end of a slippery slope.  And best left there.  You might just as well hang out in the pet store yelling that people should not buy that cute lab in the window because it just might maul them to death in their sleep.  Or that people should stop drinking water because they might die of cholera.  Our survival trumps any fear of nutjob bogeymen.  To paraphrase Nietzsche, if you gaze long enough down a slippery slope, you’ll get bogged down in slime.

With all the people to be suspicious of you pick on me whose record of fidelity to our side must be flawless.  Bizarre but if you picked on David Duke for flimsy reasons I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.  You’re wasting your time. -Fred Scrooby

I also don’t understand the point of this line of questioning.  It’s as if JR and Silver think Scrooby is a child.  He knows what he’s associating with.

JR, I left a comment on your Duke thread about the arrest in Czech.

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Posted by Dasein on May 01, 2009, 06:38 AM | #

2) Yes, I like the Jews.  I hate the ones who commit heinous crimes such as prying open any Euro country’s borders.  I loathe those and want them arrested, charged with capital crimes against humanity, and brought to trial.  I want the same thing to happen to George Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove.

4) I want Jewry to stop destroying Euro society and stop using race-replacement immigration to genocide the Euro peoples.

5) Some months ago I realized it was legitimate for Euros under Jewish genocidal attack to retaliate by supporting the Palestinians against Israel.  I support Israel in principle but if I were President I’d make ongoing U.S. support for Israel conditional upon U.S. Jews getting out of the way of a halt to post-1965 race-replacement and its full reversal.

All good points, but I don’t think it goes far enough (not sure though that you meant it to be exhaustive).  Even if they stopped pushing for our replacement, their influence (e.g. on culture) would not become benign.  My feeling is that Jews must either leave Western countries for Israel (or wherever else they want to go) or, if they want to stay, can do so on the condition that they cease being Jews.  If they choose option 2, there will have to be very strict controls that they are not forming a crypto community like the New Christians.  This is perhaps too extreme for some.  At the very least, we need quotas on Jewish involvement in elite positions, such as media ownership (as Armor has pointed out).

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 01, 2009, 09:18 AM | #

Regarding Dasein’s last paragraph above:  I’m on record as advocating separate countries for Euros and Jews.  Jews should not live in Euro countries because when they do, sooner or later they start trying to exterminate the Euros racially (preceded by destroying the fabric of Euro society socially):  they start trying to actually commit genocide against them, wipe them out.  Jews should leave Euro countries and go wherever else they like.  In order for there to be an acceptable place for ones who don’t want to move to Israel or to Birobidzhan in Siberia, I’m on record as calling for the setting aside of a piece of U.S. territory big enough for the entire U.S. Jewish population to live in perfectly comfortably and to make into a viable Jewish country — say, half of California or half of Florida. 

While we’re on the subject, I’m also on record, dating from something like 2001 at Richard Poe’s blog, as advocating something similar for the North American Red Man:  give him a sizable chunk of U.S. territory for his own Red Indian country — let’s say the state of Montana plus the adjacent western thirds of North and South Dakota, the northern third of Wyoming, and the chimney of Idaho.  I don’t see any problem whatsoever with Red Indians living among Euros the way I do with Jews living among Euros — Red Indians don’t bother Euros, don’t try to destroy Euro social fabric as Jews do, and don’t try to genocide Euros as Jews do, but the North American Red Indian is in danger of going extinct as a collection of races unless he gets his own country.  It won’t do to say, as some say, that the “American Indian” as he exists in Mexico and South America (Bolivia, Peru) is in no danger of going extinct and is even expanding:  that’s true BUT the North American Indian is a different race from those others and he is indeed in danger, imminent danger, of going completely extinct unless he gets his own country.  For the North American Eastern Woodland Indian, again a different race from the North American Great Plains Indian, I’d give, let’s say, the northern third of New York State for his country, an area a little bigger than the country of Belgium, a good size chunk of land.

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Posted by Captainchaos on May 01, 2009, 11:38 AM | #

What is more, Silver, by badgering Fred, is violating what he espouses as a first principle, inclusiveness in dialogue regarding racialism, by which he hopes to widen its appeal.  Of course, Silver would argue that what he perceives as Fred’s inflammatory ‘rhetoric’ puts him, at least in effect, in the camp of ‘Nutzis’; which is ridiculous because Fred above all others consistently stresses that the means of repatriation for non-Whites must be humane.  The “mystery meat” motif Fred intends as satire.

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Posted by Dasein on May 01, 2009, 05:58 PM | #

Fred, we’re on the same page with regards to the first paragraph.  If the Jews are going to get new territory from any country, I think it’s probably fair that it should come from the US.  The second paragraph is interesting and shows your progressive streak.  I haven’t given much thought to this.  I do remember some Native American fellow posting at Vdare saying that he was happy (as far as one could be) being subjugated by Whites (or at least he recognized it as historically legitimate), and for this reason was pissed that Whites were handing this territory over to foreign races that did not conquer his people.  I’d have to think more about your proposed solution.

What I want should be clear from my posts here and elsewhere which must number in the thousands.

If there was some award for posting based on a composite score of insight, humour, and tally, you’d be my nominee, Fred.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 01, 2009, 08:04 PM | #

Thanks, Dasein.

By the way, the Native American you mentioned who posted at Vdare.com was Prof. David Yeagley, a Comanche Indian and a very good man.  Here is his Vdare.com archive, http://www.vdare.com/yeagley/index.htm , and here is his blog, http://www.badeagle.com , named for his ancestor Bad Eagle, a Comanche chief.

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Posted by nutzi on May 03, 2009, 06:24 AM | #

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 01, 2009, 02:43 AM | #

I’m not boring the readership with this, JR.  If the Nutzis are interested let them contact me (or come after me, as they wish).


LOL

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Posted by nutzi on May 03, 2009, 07:57 AM | #

is scrooby a jew?

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Posted by J Richards on May 04, 2009, 04:07 AM | #

I can’t see what the point in playing to silver’s lurid “Nutzi” fantasies is. – Weston

This misses the point.  Silver’s nutty fantasies are not the issue.  The issue is what will the Scroob do?

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Captainchaos,

Silver’s Nutzies aren’t exterminationists, at least the way I am using the word.  They are the types who round up people and escort them to the border.  As it should be clear by now, their spiritual ancestors, the Nazis, never indulged in a genocide of Jews.

To answer your question, I don’t wish to exterminate Jews.  I have explained, in some detail, my stance on the Jewish question, where I list numerous objections to liquidating them.

I know Christian Zionists are a problem.  These fools think that modern Jews actually descend from the Judeans and Israelites mentioned in the Bible.  The solution to the Christian Zionism problem is education, not liquidation.  The word Jew didn’t exist when Christ was born.  The letter J didn’t exist until a few centuries ago.  The Judeans are actually the Yehudans.  The problem is that the King James Version of the Bible, which is most extensively followed by Christians, uses Jews to describe, in different places, the Yehudans (Judeans), the Israelites and the Edomites.  The reality is that the Middle Eastern Jews are descended from groups such as the Pharisees, whom Christ despised, and the Ashkenazi are predominantly Khazars, a people from southeastern Europe who weren’t in the Middle East during the times described in the Bible.  I’ll be doing a write up for the hopelessly lost ‘Judeo-Christian’ ignoramuses.   

I don’t object to sending non-Israeli Jews to Israel on a temporary basis, but they have to leave Israel ultimately.  Jews have no claim whatsoever to Palestine and they must vacate a land they have stolen after causing two world wars to get it and then employing the vile crook’s cookbook to maintain it.

There’s also the issue that if we put all Jews in Israel, it won’t last long.  Israel can’t survive without the tens of billions it leeches from America, and if we rout the Jews and are in a position to ship them to Israel, you bet they won’t be getting American help to protect Israel from the Arabs and other Muslims.  Jews simply have to leave Israel.

Israel using their nukes is a risk, but there’s a solution.  To start, we need Russian nukes pointing at Israel and ready to fire at a moment’s notice.  Then we need to mass arrest American Jews and put them in the FEMA camps the Jews have built for us.  Then it’s a matter of negotiating with Israel: your nukes in exchange for American Jews and safe passage to a homeland that will be established for you.

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Dasein,

Are you questioning that Alfred Rosenberg was full or part Jew?  Why would someone having no Jewish ancestry have a name such as Rosenberg?  I just assumed that Rosenberg was part/full Jew given his name and also the fact that many Jews/part Jews were serving in the Third Reich: http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righitpix.html

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Posted by J Richards on May 04, 2009, 04:08 AM | #

Scroob,

All I asked you was a simple question, but you didn’t answer it.  You have, instead, digressed into many topics that bring up some philosophical issues that are best dealt with in a main entry.  This can be found at: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/scroob/

The only things that I wish to comment on here is your appearance.  If some Europeans took you for an American, then American isn’t a reference to ethnic looks. They had to be using other cues such as dress, style, mannerisms, etc.  If some Americans in Germany mistook you for a German then they didn’t know better.  But Arabs know better how their own kind looks than others and they wouldn’t base their inference on skin color alone.  Arab skin varies from white to brown.  So in reference to the question, you’re screwed.

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Posted by Arthur Koestler on May 04, 2009, 05:31 AM | #

Posted by J Richards on May 04, 2009, 08:07 AM | #

I know Christian Zionists are a problem.  These fools think that modern Jews actually descend from the Judeans and Israelites mentioned in the Bible.  The solution to the Christian Zionism problem is education, not liquidation.  The word Jew didn’t exist when Christ was born.  The letter J didn’t exist until a few centuries ago.  The Judeans are actually the Yehudans.  The problem is that the King James Version of the Bible, which is most extensively followed by Christians, uses Jews to describe, in different places, the Yehudans (Judeans), the Israelites and the Edomites.  The reality is that the Middle Eastern Jews are descended from groups such as the Pharisees, whom Christ despised, and the Ashkenazi are predominantly Khazars, a people from southeastern Europe who weren’t in the Middle East during the times described in the Bible.

Mr. Koestler “on a misapprehension shared by both the killers and their victims. The story of the Khazar Empire, as it slowly emerges from the past, begins to look like the most cruel hoax which history has ever perpetrated.”


http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm

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Posted by Arthur Koestler on May 04, 2009, 08:12 AM | #

http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php?t=246993

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Posted by Dasein on May 04, 2009, 09:03 AM | #

Are you questioning that Alfred Rosenberg was full or part Jew?  Why would someone having no Jewish ancestry have a name such as Rosenberg?  I just assumed that Rosenberg was part/full Jew given his name and also the fact that many Jews/part Jews were serving in the Third Reich: http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righitpix.html

JR, you are the one making a claim, not me.  You need to provide evidence.  You’re obviously a bright guy, but you seem to have a hard time distinguishing between suspicion and proof.  And doesn’t that last sentence make your interrogation of Fred seem rather pointless?

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Posted by Gina on July 06, 2009, 11:38 AM | #

Gold,

I was traffiked by the Jews of Chicago and they are evil.  Check this video out.

http://vodpod.com/watch/1309936-jews-human-trafficking-slave-trade-forced-prostitution-sex-slavery

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 06, 2009, 03:38 PM | #

“I was traffiked by the Jews of Chicago and they are evil.”  (—Gina)

Gina, what do you mean exactly? 

Care to divulge your story (without giving any names or other identifying info)?

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Posted by Dasein on July 26, 2009, 11:02 AM | #

Fred, how about adding it to the Wiki?

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Posted by Rick on September 04, 2009, 12:20 PM | #

Five Israelis were killed:
Alona Avraham, 30, who was the plane that hit the south tower on her first trip to the USA.
Dani Lewin, 32, MIT graduate and founder of the Akamai high tech company, who was on the plane that hit the north tower.
Shai Levinhar, 29, who worked for a subsidiary of the Cantor Fitzgerald brokerage on the 103rd floor of the north tower. Survived by his wife and baby girl.
Hagai Shefi, 34, who was on the 106th floor of the north tower when American Airlines Flight 11 hit. He called his wife Sigal before the tower crashed, said he saw no chance of escape and bid her farewell.
Leon Lebor,51, deaf from birth and learned sign language in Israel. Was working at his job as a janitor in the twin towers when they were attacked.

About 400 Were killed, some claim more.

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Posted by George on October 29, 2009, 07:06 PM | #

So what can we conclude, that basically there may have been inside knowledge by the Israeli Government and Mossad from the spying on possible terrorist Muslim targets in the United States?

And Scooby can you sum up what all these two pages have concluded so far, I have read it all don’t get me wrong but I just want to make sure I get the most basic summary so I can judge and perhaps question something…

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 29, 2009, 08:18 PM | #

“Scooby can you sum up what all these two pages have concluded so far, [...] I just want to make sure I get the most basic summary so I can judge and perhaps question something…”  (—George)

What is it you want to question?

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Posted by George on October 29, 2009, 10:16 PM | #

This ethnic cleansing you talk about in Europe and the Euro, non-white, white, southern you mention a whole bunch of terms and I got all confused. Can you be more specific who are the jews and who are these groups by country, religion etc. Basically make this division by minorities more clear….

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 29, 2009, 11:05 PM | #

I’m afraid you’ll have to cite specific comments of mine that got you confused, George.  I’m not going to go back, re-read the entire thread comment-by-comment, try to match statements of mine with whatever seems to be puzzling you according to my best guess, come back and ask you if I’ve got the right match, then try to explain what I meant so as to get you unconfused.  It’s obvious the Euro race everywhere in the Eurosphere is undergoing genocide.  If you dispute that, we have nothing to discuss because I restrict my interaction to people with functioning eyes and functioning brains.  The only question is what is causing the genocide?  I deny liberalism is causing it.  In fact I deny there’s such a thing as liberalism:  there’s no such thing.

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Posted by George on October 30, 2009, 12:22 AM | #

It’s obvious the Euro race everywhere in the Eurosphere is undergoing genocide.

Okay let’s just focus on this because this was the comment that made me somewhat confused so it was the root of my question to begin…..

How is the Euro Society facing genocide everywhere?


Just to let you know, I don’t trust the zionist jewish mafia machine dictating world history in my brain smile

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 30, 2009, 08:13 AM | #

“How is the Euro Society facing genocide everywhere?”  (—George)

Where isn’t the Euro race facing genocide, George?

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Posted by George on October 30, 2009, 07:28 PM | #

Just write down what you mean instead of asking more questions please…

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 30, 2009, 07:45 PM | #

Tell me where the Euro race isn’t facing genocide, George.  There, that avoids the interrogatory form you dislike.  By the way, don’t waste people’s time here.  People here all have day jobs and don’t have time to waste bandying words with gameplayers who think they’re clever and stand a chance of disproving two-plus-two.  You stand no chance, George, and it’s obvious you’re playing some sort of game.  Either be straightforward or go take a running leap.

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Posted by George on October 30, 2009, 08:47 PM | #

I am not sure what you mean by the European ethnic cleansing you are talking about. Is it the Bolshevik jew scum wipe out of over 100 million people, or the Stalin starvation in Ukraine that killed about 10 million or the Ashke-NAZI jew scum Hitler who invaded and killed many millions of French, Russian and British. Oh yeah no holocaust happened cuz no more than perhaps 1 million jews died and all in labor camps, factory and slavery. Or perhaps you referring to the the French revolution Jew scum propaganda to kill some people? Or the fall of communism in Czech Republic, Poland, Russia, Belarus, Romania, Estonia, Latvia, Hungary, Ukraine etc where millions once again died. Or you mean the cleansing in Yugoslavia that happened over 10 years ago. Is this what you mean? How is it happening now?

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Posted by Captainchaos on October 30, 2009, 09:07 PM | #

George,

There is no where now in the West where European-derived peoples may segregate themselves from non-Whites if they wish, in perpetuity, without suffered “legal” penalty.  In other words, it is a matter of policy that they are denied self-determination.  Their lands are being flooded with Third World peoples, whose birth rates are much higher than their own.  To such an extend that official predictions of when European-derived peoples will become a minority in their own homelands are common, with the dates being moved closer all the time.  After a certain point, European-derived peoples will no longer be able to control their own fate, having been numerically overwhelmed.  Miscegenation and ever lower birth rates due to ever increasingly impoverished and hostile conditions will ensure their genetic annihilation in the long run.  That is a certainty, how could it not be?  If a man cares for the survival of his people, only if he were a fool would he wait ‘til five minutes before the midnight of doom to speak, to act.  For what awaits in the bitter end is, yes, genocide.

If you will not grant European-derived peoples the necessary conditions to sustain their genetic continuity you are with the genocidalists.  Are you with the genocidalists?

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Posted by George on October 30, 2009, 09:30 PM | #

Wow, was that so hard, thank you Captainchaos. I am not with this European Union Jew scum!

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 30, 2009, 10:31 PM | #

George is playing dumb, CC.  I’d say, by the way, there’s an excellent chance he’s Jewish and a race-replacement advocate (which 99.999999999999999999999999% of them are, so it goes without saying if a guy’s Jewish, unless we want to get into probabilities so remote they belong in the realm of quantum mechanical wave functions.  (Now watch him come back and insist he’s “an American of German ancestry with a little French, Scottish, and English thrown in.”  They all say that when they’re trolling in the enemy comments threads — Jewish antis do, Negroes do, Mexicans, they all do:  “No, as a matter of fact you guessed wrong, I’m not black, I happen to be of German ancestry with a little English, Dutch, and Norwegian thrown in.”  Riiiiiight Pablo, riiiiight DeShawn, got it, you’re of German extraction with a little Welsh, Scots, and French thrown in, definitely, any day now.  It’s always the German that comes first, followed by a little sprinkling of two or three of the others.  Gee I wonder why ......... Guilty conscience?)

George, I’ve never used the term “Jew scum” yet you repeat it fourteen thousand seven hundred and eighty-six times in a comment supposedly recapping my statements of my views.  If you’re Jewish, cut the crap and say what’s on your mind, George.  We can handle it.

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 30, 2009, 10:49 PM | #

Somebody, I forget who, noticed that when some gung-ho “white nationalist” starts spouting repeatedly about “the hook-nosed Jews” — specifically that expression, “hook-nosed Jews” — it’s not a white nationalist but a Jew, getting what he considers to be his laughs, or doing his best to provoke the more fed-up sorts into over-the-top language, or whatever.  It turns out, according to this guy, there are certain expressions whites in these kinds of discussions use a lot, and “hook-nosed Jew” isn’t one of them.  But “hook-nosed Jew” is the Jews’ idea of how “white anti-Semites” talk about them all the time, so they sprinkle it liberally through their posts when in agent provocateur mode.  By the same token, putting “Jew scum” six trillion times in a paragraph supposedly recapping what a guy said who never in his life used that term seems at least suspicious for the same thing.

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Posted by George on October 31, 2009, 01:23 AM | #

No man you could not be further from the truth. I am not Jewish I am a Romanian living in Canada. This place sickens me basically for the fact of how many fuckin jews there are here now.

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Posted by Captainchaos on October 31, 2009, 03:22 AM | #

Try New York, you’ll like it even better.

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Posted by Marina on November 08, 2009, 11:42 PM | #

“My personal friend who walked out of the towers from the 43rd floor was a partner with an Israeli. He had sponsored him for a Visa,along with subsequent Israelis hired at his request.I estimate the number at 10-12,several whom I had met personally.A few of these individuals had related to me some of their “extracurricular activities”- among which included assasination in various countries. To those skeptics who think that internet accounts of Sayanim are urban legend, I can only say “ stay tuned!”...In short, all the Israelis were absent on 9/11 without exception; My friend who had helped them all obtain employment and residency was left in the dark ( such a deal!) - but fortunately made it out down the stairs along with the other employees.”

Remnant with such ‘proof’ at hand, why does your ‘friend’ not shout this out from the rooftops. Where is he? I would like to see him make a statement about this.

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Posted by Scott on November 16, 2009, 08:50 PM | #

I heard that 6 million jews died on 9-11…

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Posted by Jeramy Dajew on December 26, 2009, 04:56 AM | #

6 million jews died in september 11th, and anyone who says the number was a single jew less than 6 million is an antisemite and a conspiracy theorist.

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Posted by J L on March 07, 2010, 11:44 AM | #

For a bunch that are supposedly so enlightened, you sure use the term anti-semite often and incorrectly.

Perhaps you could look up the definition?

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Posted by Sam on March 11, 2010, 12:55 PM | #

No jews died in the 9-11, because Mossad had instructed them to take a personal day or something.
US had to shift its blame on the fast growing ethnic and religious group-Muslims, US was done with cold war and now it needed a new group-following the Zionist and US scheme to blame and control the oil which
most Islamic nations held. We have US and its good friend to blame Israeli as Bush calls them.
Thank you Bush and Cheney and its adm.

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Posted by DMA on March 21, 2010, 07:14 PM | #

Scrooby—I love you!! You are brilliant and eloquent and right. Race replacement

Me? I am russian jewish, grew up in a jewish neighborhood and remember watching the holocaust speakers change their story year after year. My best friend and I would keep track. It’s all BS. Now, I am a denier and a Christian and actively protest the abomination that is israel. I married a white guy and had some white kids and make a point to tell the world that the whole story of the jews is made up.

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Posted by fernando on May 03, 2010, 03:41 AM | #

jesus christ i cannot believe i wasted 3 hours of my life reading all this crock of shit.

before the complete ignorant fucking retards try to come at my name, i come from argentine aristocrats(mason) and thus spanish aristocrats. So I am full blooded European, to some degree. Not to be confused with the filth that is known is mehico, that´s another story.

anyways

what is true, israel is the root of the problem in the middle east. israel should not exist. the israeli mossad is behind the 9-11 attacks, proof being in the 80’s when two agents where captured disguised as arabs attempting to bomb the US embassy in egypt to get US support in their conflict with egypt. 9-11 was the platform used for the US to knock out the biggest threat to Israel;Iraq. Now Israel is pushing the US into war with Iran and the threat that it poses. israel is committing the same atrocities committed against the jewish people in WWII against the palestinians-without a doubt

what is not true: these complete ludicrous claims of a vast jewish conspiracy to dominate the world, people like scrooby advocating social darwinism, and just a bunch of other crazy shit i´m still trying to comprehend. i will admit that israel does dictate US foreign policy, and that the mossad is a cult of intelligence. and although i disagree with the incarceration of holocaust deniers, that is simply on the grounds of freedom of speech. but believing that the jews altered history in the favor on an international scale and are behind the biggest frame in history…..that is without a doubt the most illogical, superflous, insane crock of shit i have ever heard in my life(but not as crazy as the shit david icke says, nothing is more insane than that. but believing in the former and the latter is still grounds for paranoid schizophrenia) 

the fact is it´s zionism. zionism is fascism. zionism is the problem, ISRAELI ZIONISM. NOT THE JEWISH PEOPLE. jesus christ lets be fucking moral ethical and clear thinking human beings here; race, religion, and sexual preference are all social constructs, and we are simply the products of the social archetypes created by said constructs.

our problem is simply a country, the actions of it’s government, and it’s political policies. nothing more-nothing less. not the jewish people. jesus christ i cannot believe that human beings have existed for over 10,000 years and still there exists such completely deranged frames of mind and beliefs(I.E. jews trying to take over the world and social darwinism)

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Posted by fernando on May 03, 2010, 03:48 AM | #

anyone who denies the holocaust is fucking mentally insane and needs to stop using the internet, and read some factual REAL source of information. Like plato´s republic, or aristotle on metaphysics, hell even some hemingway, or some martin fierro. please leave your houses, and stop being the victims of disinformation. stop being the victims of ignorance. use your reason and logic, use the one thing that makes us human;your conciousness-USE YOUR FUCKING BRAIN RETARDS

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Posted by Frank on May 03, 2010, 04:41 AM | #

fernando,

mightn’t there be a reason Jews are blamed for certain things? I humbly suggest you look into America’s recent history and who dominates the American media today. There’s more than the media, but that’s a start.

Even if they lack official titles, they wield power. It’s not hidden either, and… I’ve read the Greeks and Romans.

How’s Argentina now btw?

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Posted by Frank on May 03, 2010, 04:45 AM | #

It takes awhile to grasp a new truth - if you bother to read about US media you’ll be ready for the next area.

Your living in Argentina, it’s surely possible you’re not an expert on America, yes?

It’s more or less holy war 101: tear down their idols and bolster your idols. Whether intentional or not, that’s what’s going on.

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Posted by Frank on May 03, 2010, 04:49 AM | #

I don’t see my comment in this thread on it:

a cousin through marriage of mine was sent on an “errand” on 9/11. He worked in WTC and is Jewish.

That to me is a little suspicious. He was highly paid, MBA, albeit in his 20s. Errands for someone making 6 figures? Maybe that was normal for him - I fear to ask.

Believe me or not, but were I lying it’d be easier to say “a friend of mine” or “someone I met”... This cousin grew up in my same city. Obviously his father is white, like me.

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Posted by Fernando on May 06, 2010, 11:48 AM | #

Well, technically I’m American. By a weird turn of events, I was born in Venezuela then at the age of 3, during Chavez’s coup, my family immigrated to the United States. And at the age of 22, I’ve lived there my entire life. But for the past year I’ve been studying a year abroad here in Argentina.

Anyways that’s my life story, so yes I do know the full extent of the Israel Lobby’s stranglehold on US Politics and the media, even American society itself. And Argentinas fine btw, could be better. Also noticed the strange population of Israeli Jews in Buenos Aires. Found out recently that Argentina is the third most jewish populated place in the world; 1st is Israel, 2nd is the US, and 3rd, naturally, is argentina.

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Posted by GT on August 22, 2010, 12:21 AM | #

Reis,

I found this article via Snopes:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010921204336/http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/abc/20010921/wl/wtc_recovery_rescue010921_1.html

“Citizens of 80 countries were missing and presumed dead in the disaster, Bush said in his address to Congress on Thursday night. More than 130 were Israeli citizens and more than 250 were citizens of India, he said.”

——

As to the disappearance of Israeli nationals following 911, there is this:

October 15, 2001
New Republic
JERUSALEM DISPATCH.
Holy Terror
by Yossi Klein Halevi
Post date 10.05.01 |

The destruction of the World Trade Center has partially rehabilitated, if only by default, the Zionist promise of safe refuge for the Jewish people.

In the last year, it had become a much-noted irony that Israel was the country where a Jew was most likely to be killed for being a Jew.

For many, the United States had beckoned as the real Jewish refuge; in a poll taken just before the bin Laden attacks, 37 percent of Israelis said their friends or relatives were discussing emigration.

That probably changed on September 11.

I was among the thousands of Israelis who crowded Kennedy Airport on the weekend after the attack, desperate to find a flight to Tel Aviv.

“At least we’re going back where it’s safe,” people joked.

Everyone seemed to have a story about an Israeli living in New York who just barely escaped the devastation.

If this could happen in Manhattan, the reasoning went, you might as well take your chances at home.”

——-

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Posted by Ofri on August 23, 2010, 12:56 AM | #

I believe all the people who support these ridiculous absurd radical conspiracy theories are doing this for one of the two main reasons:

1. FEAR:  They are afraid of Muslims, don’t want to admit that they are those who operated this mega-terror attack, and therefore trying to invent stories, thinking that if they don’t blame the radical muslims - the radical muslims will not hurt them

2. RACISM: Some people are racist and antisemitic, and will do / say / invent anything that will demonise jews or Israel

3. radicalism: Some radical leftists, communists are reaching such an extreme level, that they find it easy to support ridiculous conspiracies, as long as they go against their government.

Unfortunately, the radical Islam is still looking and searching for ways to conduct the next mega-terror attack in the USA, and it’s only a matter of time. Instead of being united against the threat, these people serve our worst enemies

P.S. - if 18% of the victims of 9-11 attack were jews, it support their percentage in the general population in NYC, which is about the same.

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Posted by danielj on August 23, 2010, 01:08 AM | #

Your three points could be neatly turned on you.

1. Fear: People are afraid of their government and those that have infiltrated, abused it, and turned it to the purpose of furthering their own ends. They are stuck in the role of abused partner and unable to extricate themselves from the relationship.

2. Racism: Some people are racist and will do and say anything that they can to demonize, demoralize and discredit Islam, Muslims and the Arab people.

3. Radicalism: Some radical conformists are finding it easier and easier to accept widely contrary facts and overcome large amounts of cognitive dissonance as long as they can get their sugar/cable/fast food fix and unquestionably accept as authoritative all the proclamations of their government with relative ease and with a modicum of luxury.

P.S. - if 18% of the victims of 9-11 attack were jews, it support their percentage in the general population in NYC, which is about the same.

The real question is how many jews should have died based upon how many should have been at work that day in the towers compared with how many actually died.

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Posted by Ofri on August 23, 2010, 01:14 AM | #

I just noticed another trashi fool conspiracy person, that claimed here in one of the comments that “there were no Israeli civtims”.

Let me correct you - there were FIVE Israeli citizens who were killed in 9-11 attack. One of them by the way was on the plane that crashed.

But this won’t really matter - those who spread this crap will continue to do this… it doesnt matter that Osama Bin Laden admitted to be responsible for the terror attack, it doesnt matter that there were proofs that linked Al Qaeda to the attack.. .it doesnt matter that ALL terrorists were Muslims and Arabs… the people who support the conspiracy will always be creative, and invent something…

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Posted by Ofri on August 23, 2010, 01:21 AM | #

danielj -  I understand that the truth does not matter to you, and that you will support your radical nonsense regardless to reality, but let me ask you this:

If in the future, when (or if) you will have children, one of your kids will learn in school about 9-11 attack, and he will say out loud in the class that “The jews did it!”  - the teacher will give him an “F” - and then what will you say to your child? you see, just a little example that shows you how your kids and ancestors will suffer from your radical thinking and will have lesser chances to be accepted to good colleges…...

I’m just telling you this so that you’d understand, that stupidity is not always worth it, even when it’s combined with racism…

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Posted by danielj on August 23, 2010, 01:28 AM | #

danielj - I understand that the truth does not matter to you, and that you will support your radical nonsense regardless to reality, but let me ask you this:

Uh huh… Yeah. If the truth doesn’t matter to me then why even ask me questions?

If in the future, when (or if) you will have children, one of your kids will learn in school about 9-11 attack, and he will say out loud in the class that “The jews did it!” - the teacher will give him an “F” - and then what will you say to your child? you see, just a little example that shows you how your kids and ancestors will suffer from your radical thinking and will have lesser chances to be accepted to good colleges…...

I would never in a million years send my children to public school. It is a form of child abuse and it is against my religion.

I’m just telling you this so that you’d understand, that stupidity is not always worth it, even when it’s combined with racism…

Should I just return the favor and call you stupid? We’ll get real far this way.

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Posted by danielj on August 23, 2010, 01:30 AM | #

Let me correct you - there were FIVE Israeli citizens who were killed in 9-11 attack. One of them by the way was on the plane that crashed.

What were their names? How did they all die? Were they dual citizens or strictly Israeli citizens?

Allow me to remind you that you’ve ignored what I’ve already laid out as the crucial issue.

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Posted by GT on August 23, 2010, 07:27 AM | #

Unfortunately, the radical Islam is still looking and searching for ways to conduct the next mega-terror attack in the USA, and it’s only a matter of time. - Ofri

You sound like a conspiracy theorist.

Let me correct you - there were FIVE Israeli citizens who were killed in 9-11 attack. One of them by the way was on the plane that crashed. - Ofri

According to this article 130 Israeli citizens were killed on 9-11.  Was it “FIVE” or 130? And were they, as DanielJ asks, strictly citizens of Israel or privileged with dual, American and Israeli citizenship?

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Posted by Williams K. on August 25, 2010, 02:12 AM | #

Perhaps this may open some eyes?
http://www.bollyn.com/9-11-archive-2010

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Posted by Jana Riante on August 26, 2010, 07:34 PM | #

About 2 miles from my home is a 9-11 Memorial site. Shortly after 9-11 when the site was erected, I reviewed all of the names (almost ) 3,000 names, etched in the marble slab at this memorial site and landmark overlooking NYC from a distance. LESS THAN 100 NAMES ARE JEWS.

Oddly, there are more Jews living within a 50-mile radius of the Towers than anywhere else on the entire East Coast. Due to the extremely high Jew population, at any given time during a typical work week, the Towers were full of Jews. Half of the population in the area and surrounding NYC Metro area where I live are Jews and slightly more than half of the workers near and in the Towers are Jews. So before reading the victims names after the site was erected in late October 2001, I had assumed the majority of names would certainly be Jews. But not so. You can come to your own conclusion.

If you’re ever in the NJ area, visit the memorial and the park. It’s beautiful. It’s located in (Upper) Montclair, NJ at the Eagle Rock Reservation (20-minute drive northwest from Newark Liberty Airport). The actual memorial is right next to the Park, and also right next to the High Lawn Pavillion Restaurant’s parking lot (excellent upscale restaurant - very pricey) overlooking the Manhattan view, although from a distance.  As you are facing the NYC view reading the names, the entrance to the HighLawn will be about 50 yards to your left. On a real clear day, you can see NYC, mostly Southern Manhattan, where the Twin Towers once stood. Given all the Jews in the Towers, we had expected to see mostly Jew names, but that was not at all the case. I can still remember the shock that rolled through me when I was done reading the names.

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Posted by edgardo sosa on September 13, 2010, 01:58 PM | #

How many jews worked at the world trade center buildings up to 9/11/2001 ?

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Posted by Lurker on September 14, 2010, 06:03 AM | #

Plenty of people elsewhere have been happy to point out that only five Israelis are supposed to have died on 9/11 as proof that Israelis were protected from on high. Comically Ofri is trying to use this as proof they were just as much victims. Maybe he is just being ironic and we’ve missed it?

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Posted by Lurker on September 14, 2010, 06:16 AM | #

AZ -

Barriers to entry.  To work in a company based in the World Trade Center one has to overcome barriers to entry such as English fluency, SEC or CFTC licensing, CPA licensing, have a college degree, etc.  The companies tend to be specialized in finance and finance is a regulated industry.  Israelis who come to work in New York generally go into fields with minimal barriers to entry.  They like jobs which are paid in cash.  Jobs such as working in bars and resaurants…..  btw, many Israelis who come to work in New York do so in order to avoid the draft, that is, they are 18 or 19….and haven’t yet been to college.

Comedy gold! The funniest thing I have read in a couple of days.

If only there were a few jews, Israelis or dual nationals working in the finance sector in NYC, just one or two at the lowest level, maybe security guards, in the post room, that sort of thing who could help a fellow Israeli down on his luck. Alas no, poor Israelis, condemned forever to look on from the outside…

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Posted by John on September 28, 2010, 01:18 AM | #

I don’t usually comment on these obviously racist posts but what the heck why not. You guys are a bunch of scum this Jew targeting conspiracy theory anti semitic garbage is the same filth that bigots have used to persecute the Jews for millennium. This is the same thinking that brought about thousands of years of exiles, inquisitions, the Holocaust, and countless other persecutions dating back to the original Egyptian enslavement. The Jews have been mistakenly blamed for blood libels, witchcraft, even the black plague and you should all be ashamed to be continuing this vicious cycle of blind baseless slander.

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Posted by Adam on September 28, 2010, 06:27 AM | #

The post has been hijacked by bigots, the original intention was just the opposite - to debunk the stupid conspiracy that Jews were behind 9/11. 

Having provided links and evidence and that goal met, whoever is in charge of this thread should now close it.

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